MMA Fighting - HOAM | Win or Lose, Where Does Max Holloway Go After UFC Kansas City?

Episode Date: April 14, 2023

Max Holloway returns this Saturday in a pivotal featherweight main event against Arnold Allen at UFC Kansas City. With "Blessed" already suffering three losses to current champ Alexander Volkanovski, what does a win do for his place at 145? And on the other end, what if he is not victorious this weekend? On an all-new edition of Heck of a Morning, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck discusses the stakes for Holloway in the scheduled five-round contest with Allen. Additionally, listener questions include the current UFC 290 lineup, if the UFC should add another title fight to the International Fight Week card, the cancelled UFC Vegas 72 main event between Arman Tsarukyan and Renato Moicano, options for Bryce Mitchell at UFC 288 with Jonathan Pearce being forced to withdraw from the May pay-per-view card, a potential Israel Adesanya vs. Dricus Du Plessis fight, the NBA playoffs, and much more. You can listen live to Heck of a Morning Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays at 10 a.m. ET on the MMA Fighting Twitter Spaces. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. It is Friday, April 14th, 2023. It is indeed a heck of a morning. We are live on the NBA Fighting Twitter Spaces. You can hear the show in its entirety shortly thereafter on the M.A. Fighting Podcasting Network. Hello. I am Mike Eck.

Hope everyone's having a wonderful Friday. Hope the weather is nice where you are at. And hope everyone is just in a wonderful mood. It's a positive day. UFC Kansas City going down tomorrow. Way-ins are happening as we speak. I believe Max Holloway has already made wait. So that's good for his main event matchup with Arnold Allen.

Arnold Allen also made Wade. So the main event is already official, and we're three minutes into weigh-ins. So that's always a very good sign. And everything else is cherry on top of the Sunday. So that is happening. We got some bad news yesterday, unfortunately. We found out that, well, we got a couple of pieces of bad news if we're being honest. We found out that Jonathan Pierce is out of his UFC 288 matchup with Bryce Mitchell.

Bryce Mitchell needs a new opponent. The plan is to keep him on the card. Yeah, that was a tough one. Tough break for JSP. I kind of know what the injury is, but I was told off the record. so I can't share it. But yeah, wish JSPS is speedy recovery. We'll see what happens with Bryce Mitchell.

The great manager of the stars, Danny Rubinstein, tweeted out yesterday that Mobbzar of Loya has put his name into the hat to replace Mr. JSP and sign me the freak up for that fight. That'd be a good one. The other piece of bad news is that April 29th, the UFC Vegas card that is going to cap off the month. of April, the card that needed a lot of help to begin with. It was sort of a one-fight card already.

Lost the best fight by a mile. Hanata Moikano out of the UFC Vegas 72 main event with Armand Sarukion does not look like Surukion is going to get a replacement for that fight. Unless something incredibly strange happens, it just doesn't look like Surukion's going to get his opportunity to compete in another headliner. We'll see what happens from there. And that's kind of the bad news that happened since we last spoke. But today is a free-for-all Fridays. We could talk about whatever the hell you want.

We can talk about UFC Kansas City. We could talk about some of the news and notes going on in this wonderful sport of ours. We can talk about whatever you want. Pro wrestling, whatever's on your mind. It is a free-for-all Friday. Trista was like immediately in line. line. What's up, buddy? Hello, Mike. Can you hear me?

Yes. Okay. Yeah, the thing is, because you just announced on what you just said, I don't see how Bryce would turn that down because those two were Bryce Mitchell versus Mosra Hevela those who were originally booked last

year in November. So I'm going to have a hard time seeing Bryce turning that down because you already started training for him a little bit last year, so you're familiar what he's going to bring. So, I, my inkling is that that matcher

should happen. In regards to Armin Serucan, I am so surprised, I mean, I'm so surprised that, I mean, the car, that fight might be off, but I'm surprised they didn't try to

contact Greg Gillespie. I mean, Greg, Greg, again, we've talked about this at nauseam, but Greg Gillespie hasn't fought nearly two years and he's still on the roster. And they offered Gregor Gillesi, Armist Surruki, at the time, but he turned it down. You can't turn him down now

because people who know who Armin Surukian is, and he's moved up high in the rankings. If you beat Armin Surruki and you're back in the rankings, which the UFC put you out of them. So I don't understand why they wouldn't go down that well. If they can't get Gregor Gilles that they should just pivot and try to get

Tiago Moises to fight Armin. Those two have never fought each other. To August Moises, he's taking short notice fights before, so it wouldn't be an issue. He'd be like, yeah, I'll fight them. It doesn't matter to me. So I don't see why they can't just call Tiago Moises, but I don't know the U.S.

probably won't like that or have their reasons why they don't want to book that fight and probably take them off the card altogether. And in regards for Max Holloway versus Arnold Allen, you have said weeks prior to this, you've pushed back on this fight because the thing with Max Holloway, he makes it complicated because if he beats Arnold Allen,

that's another up-and-comer contender that's knocked off. And, you know, you've said plenty of times that, you know, I guess nobody wants to see Max versus both for a fourth time. And I get your point. And it makes a lot of sense. It is what it is. But, I mean, I don't know what you do at this point.

If Max keeps having these finishes and beating the up-and-comers where, you know, pretty much he's like in territory of Robert Whitaker where he's the second best featherweight person on the card. And Max's intention is to get another title shot and go for another run. You know, again, people want to see him in fun fights in the lightweight division, which he is not against that. He does want to go up there at lightweight at some point. But, I mean, it's complicated. I mean, how do you feel about it now?

Do you still feel the same way as you did before when this fight was made? That's all I got mine. Thanks for everything. So I'll start with the last question. I still feel the same. I mean, look, I love the fight. I love it. It is a very interesting matchup,

and I understand why people love it for the merit of it. but we've just we've played this game a lot and max holloway often wins these fights and now we're in a weird position i will say this i've changed i've changed my tune slightly because iliot toporia is booked in a main event with josh emitt in june that fight's going to happen before volkinovsky versus yair happens so even if max wins we still have ilia teporea fighting Josh Emmett. And if Ilya goes out there and beats Josh, it does so convincingly, Ilya probably gets the next title shot. So at least we have, like, we have something in place where the division is still sort of moving. We're going to have to wait a couple of months to get

there. We have to let this whatever happens on Saturday sort of permeate for the next couple of months, but at least we have something else in place before the Volcanowski-Yair fight. So I feel a little bit better now, knowing that Toporia is fighting a guy who just fought for the interim belt. And if Teporey goes out there and just melts Josh Emmett and Max Holly wins

on Saturday, at least we have a fresh matchup and a very interesting matchup for Volkovsky. Now, our Lounge could go out and win this fight, and then none of this matters. And Arnallon is just going to get the next title shot and Ilya may have to fight Max Holloway to get

his opportunity, but if our Arnold wins, none of this matters, but it is a very risky proposition to throw Arnold in this fight. And that's why I said, let's just do Arnold versus Iliate Teporia. Yeah, you kind of knock off one of these guys, but it doesn't kill him. But if he goes out and just loses to Max, then it's like another two or three fights. Like, I don't know. At least if you did Allen versus Teporia, one of these guys emerge. We have a guaranteed next guy in line.

We don't necessarily have that here. But again, Teporia's book with Josh Emmett in a five-round fight kind of works out. So I feel a little bit better about it. As far as the Surukian thing goes, so Danny Rubenstein tweeted in reply to a bunch people.

Aaron Bruns center started the conversation by saying, just have Bryce Mitchell fight Armand Suruket. That is a terrible idea. Bryce Mitchell, there's no point in him doing that. Different weight classes. Yeah, Bryce wouldn't have to cut the weight, but he is got to get a good. get run over by Armand Sarukian. That fight is not close or competitive at all. If you thought

Iliate Tuporia is a bad matchup, this is worse. This is worse because what Bryce does well, Armand Zerukian does better. And the other options that were kind of available that people are casually throwing out there, Dan Hooker, hurt, RDA, hurt, plus he's a welterway. He's not going back to 55. Jalen Turner, not available for the date. Tiago Moises and Armin probably aren't going to fight each other because they share coaches. So that's kind of a conflict of interest for their respective teams. Drew Dober is another name that was third up, but Drew Dober is obviously booked against Matt Rivola. So there's just not a lot of options. So unfortunately, I think Mr. Surukian is going to have to wait and see how this all plays out.

And it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. And it's unfortunate for Moikano too. But from conversation, that we have had, it doesn't look like the injury is severe where it's going to keep Moikano out for months and months and months, should be about a two-month recovery and be able to get back into it.

So maybe we just push it back a few months? I don't know. But it's unfortunate for both guys, and it's unfortunate for this card because that card is, let me just see what this card looks like right now because it is seems like it was kind of a barren wasteland. Are we going to get a Kyle Barallio main event here?

Because I think that's kind of what's going to have to happen at this point. Kyle Boralio, Mikhail Olegzecich, is probably going to headline that card. Waldo Cortez, Acosta, versus Marcus Ruggiero de Lima. Cody Brundage, Hidalso, Vietta, Josh Quinlan, Anglosa, Emily to Cody, Pollyanna Viana,

Natan Levy, Pete Rodriguez, Brian Kelleher, Journey Newson, Martin Boudet, Jake Collier, Cody Durd and Charles Johnson, Julian Arosa, Fernando Padilla,

Haley Cowan, Jamie Lynn Horth, Stephanie Egger, Arena, Alex Siva. That's the card. Right now, Kyle Borrelio is about

to get a main event spot. Unless they can pull something up. So we're talking internally in our Slack channel, one of my thoughts was I wonder if the UFC is going to contact Anthony Smith and Johnny Walker and just throw a bag of money at them

and just be like, look, I know you're fighting two weeks after that. You were supposed to be the main event. Now you're the co-main event. Any chance you can bump this baby up. You get the main event money. We'll throw you a couple shekels more. At least you got something to headline this card. Other than that, I don't know what the hell they're going to do.

I don't know what they're going to do because this is a, this is a, really bad card. And this is the card before the pay-per-view. This is the go-home show. This is the card you're going to use to get people excited for the pay-per-view. And there's not a lot to be excited about. By the way, AK just hit me up on our Slack channel. Tanner Bozier, on the scale, AK, of course, is on weighing duty, 203 pounds for his UFC light heavyweight debut, shredded to the nines. 203 for Tanner

Bozer. How about that? Let's go to C.V. What's up, C.V.? Shay, you're next. Yo, Mike. Happy Friday. You too, man. Yeah. I was actually looking at the cards, so I got an idea. Why don't they flex on next week's co-mean event,

Ritty Simone, song and dong, to that mean event. Oh, that's a great idea. Yeah, yeah. I just thought of that, since you're saying, Jamal Hill of Anthony Smith. But since the three for all Friday, just two super random non-MMA questions. What's your NBA finals prediction? I know you're probably going to say the Celtics out of the east, but I feel like Milwaukee's going to give them a run for their money.

And second, you're trapped on a deserted island. And you only have an iPod that can hold 100 songs on it. And then there's only one playlist. Which decade of music are you picking? The 80s or the 90s? We're going 90s for sure. NBA final. Celtics are going to the finals.

They're going to be Milwaukee. Look, there's just, it happens in fighting too. Sometimes just a certain team or a fighter just has your number. And the Celtics just seem to have Milwaukee's number. They just seem to have it. So I think the Celtics will get through Milwaukee. I think we're going to end up getting a rematch. I think we're going to end up getting a rematch.

Golden State's regular season record wasn't great, but they had a ton of injuries. Steph was out for a while, and they show up in the playoffs, man. They always show up in the playoffs. And I would love to see them run that shit back because I think the Celtics put the boots to them over a seven-game slate.

I just hope the Celtics can... The one thing about the... the Celtics that drives you crazy, especially come playoff time, is they just, they play to the level of their opponents, and they drag these series on for just way longer than they need to be. Like, they struggled with Miami last year, and they should have just ran them over. And I know the Celtics are dealing with injuries themselves, but they seem pretty healthy right now. They're deep, even like their bench players, like Peyton Pritchard in his last, in the last regular season game, I had a freaking triple double. Like, these guys are playing well right now. They're playing well at their time. They're playing well at their game. the right time. I just hope the big heaters there, I just hope they could, they could show up and they're not like completely worn out like they were last year. They were all just dying at

the end of the Tatum and Brown. Those guys are ready to go and they can run this thing all the way through and not deal with any major injuries. They get a real good chance. So, and I love the Simone Sang-e-Dong idea. I was going to go to Seth, but he's gone. Let's go to Kisbeorn. Are you there? Kisbeorn. You're muted. There we go.

There we go. Hello, Mike. Hello. Greetings from Norway. I have a question about Pereira's recent move. Because he has Glover-Texera in his corner, and he has fought several light heavyweights, like Jamal and Jerry and Jan and.

Anthony, a lot of these current ones. And I was wondering if you think this, whether or not this advantage could have added any influence on their decision to move up. Thank you for all your work, Mike. Thank you, sir. So we talked about this. Shea, stick around. I'm going to get to you next.

So we talked about this a lot yesterday. We talked about it on BTL. And I kind of worked this out of my mind as I was talking through it yesterday. my hunch and again I have zero insight to this none no insight my hunch is that Yuri Perashka is not going to be back as quickly and as timely as Perashka believes he's going to be back that maybe what Dana White had to say about the injury sort of reigns true that the shoulder injury is just awful it's the worst he's ever seen and that erie is just a little too cautiously, he was a little too optimistic about his recovery time that, I mean, remember

when Prasch was saying, oh, back by the summer. My hunch is, the follow-ups have not been great, and there is a chance that maybe he won't be back until the end of the year. And at that point, you have Jamal Hill completely on ice, you have this division completely on ice, and nobody wants to see Jamal Hill fight Magam at Ankelaif. Doesn't seem like there's a big hankering for Jamal Hill versus Janbovich. So to me, this is the UFC just kind of being like, yo, I know you want to run this back with Izzy, but we need you, man. We may need you at 205. And if you move up to 205 and do it now and Yuri's not ready to go,

you're going to fight Jamal Hill for the title. Your first fight. There's a story there. I know you're coming off of a knockout loss. We can play the storyline. Jamal Hill has already responded to Pereira moving up to 205 with the video, all of that. We got the Glover connection with Jamal just putting the wood to Glover and then retiring him.

I feel like Jamal, and right now Alex Pereer is over like Rover. Trust me when I tell you, despite coming off of a loss, despite losing that fight, Alex is over and people are interested in what this guy is doing. And I have the numbers to prove it. I look at the statistics on MMA fighting. People want to see what Alex Pereira is doing. He is over right now.

And right now, the more compelling, if you're not going to do Jamal Hill versus Jerry Perashka, the fight that is going to sell the most is Jamal Hill versus Alex Pereira. 100%. that is going to sell better than any other option on the table right now. And with this merger coming, you've got to put on as many fights and pay-per-views as possible that people are going to want to spend $80 on

and that people are going to want to buy tickets to go to the arena and watch the fight. Jamal Hill versus Alex Pereer is a fun-ass fight. That probably isn't going to the card. Someone's getting finished in that one. And guess what? The winner of that fight gets to fight Uri Prahashka next when he's ready to come back. And on top of that, if the UFC wants to go another direction, if they want to settle the rivalry,

what better way to do it? If Alex Pereira goes out and beats Jamal Hill, he hasn't had a title defense yet, so we will not get an immediate rematch, is he can move up to 205, get his opportunity to be a two-division champion again, and he gets to do it against his old buddy Alex Pereira. That was my hunch.

That's what I'm feeling is a possibility. Again, I have no insight here. But it just, it just seems so random that like right after the card, we just dismiss the trilogy fight altogether. Why? Why did we just outright dismiss it? And then as I'm working through this, oh, maybe Yuri just ain't ready to come back. Maybe Yuri just ain't ready to come back as quickly as he thought.

And we want to get Jamal Hill back in there. But no one wants to see it in a Goliath fight. Nobody wants to see a Yon fight. And if you want to get Izzy a fight, you could do the DDP fight. Izzy's got to kill DDP. In my opinion, I could be wrong. I'd be happy to say I'm wrong, but stylistically, Izzy Rada Osana, she should just absolutely run over Drikas 2 plus E.

And what other options is there? Do you do the Jan Behovic fight at 185? I still don't think he can make 185, but who knows, maybe I'm wrong. And if Izzy wins, then he goes up to 2. five, I don't know, but I just feel like, I feel like you need a foil for Jamal Hill in some way. And I don't think Ake Alives is it. Uri's the number one choice, but if Uri can't go, Pereira is a good option B. Maybe like September, October, late summer, early fall.

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What's up, ma'am? Hello. Is Rob Whitaker the Max Holloway of the middleweight division or is it the other way around? I would say, I don't know, they're kind of different. Because Holloway got three, I mean, Holly got three fights with Volcanowski. Whitaker did not get three fights with Israel to Sania. So I would say Max is kind of like in his own island, pun intended, I guess, with the Hawaii theme.

But it's close. Like they're, Max, because Max like just went right, he got one fight and then fought he fought Yahir and then went right back to Volk. Whitaker could probably win like three more fights and I still don't think he's going to get another title show as long as he's the champion.

So, yeah, I think they're just, they're kind of in their similarities to it but they're in different boats right now they're in different places let's go to victor a lot of people waiting i'll try to get to everybody victor hello hello what's that man so um i was just wondering because i just saw that like the for ufc two 90 that the brandon moreno versus alexandra ptoia fight just got confirmed and that's on international fight week and also I heard that like maybe like Jair versus Volkanowski will also happen but like those are two like

I mean compelling title fights for me as a UFC fan but those are not like you know like a international fight week like main event type fights so I don't know like what's happening there will there be like another big fight set up or will there be like three title fights because like none of those two

the Brandon Moreno fight or the Volcanovsky fight those are not like main event for international fight week fights for me so I'm just interested if there's anything going on because I heard that also like Leon versus Colby's not happening so there's really not like a lot of fights I can put there um I mean look Volk's a star right now man like he is he is a star he is a star his stock is high is as high as it's ever been even though he lost his Lamakachev and me personally if there's look, there's like fun fantasy fights that we would all love to see.

But in terms of like high level martial arts competition, hashtag styles make fights, I don't think anything is getting me more excited for this year than Volkanowski versus Yaya Rodez. Because what I saw from Yaya Rodez against Josh Emmett, I think Yaya has a lot that can test Volkinovsky and make him uncomfortable in a lot of different ways. Yair is reaching the potential we all seem to have had for him and he's going to take a piece of Olkinovsky win or lose. He took a big piece of Max Holloway,

even though he lost that fight. I love that fight so much. I can't wait for it. I think it's a fine main event. I'm told that's not officially the main event yet. But look, you get that fight, you get Moreno, Pantosia. Those are too high-level fight. We have bow nickel on the card.

There's some extra sort of star power and intrigue. Davis and Figurato is staying at 125s, fighting middle cop. I mean, they're going to load this thing up. There's no doubt about it. The only other thing I thought of potentially is like, if Izzy just wants to stay busy, doesn't seem like DDP is going to be ready

for that international flight week card. I threw this idea out on BTL. like you could just do Izzy and Sean Strickland just for the star power I guess and having Izzy on top of the car but I just don't know what else is there that's it's just a weird fight because Strickland is one and two

over his last three he got knocked out by Alex Pereira badly in a fight that was not competitive and then his win is against Naserdin Imbovoff who clearly wasn't ready for the upper echelon of 185. It'd just be something to

put some heat on it because you know those two are going to get after it at the press conference. But it just what, it just, it would just be a, look, Izzy, we need, we need star power on this card. You and Sean are just going to talk a bunch of noise to each other for an entire week at media day in the press conference.

And by the time we get to Saturday, people are going to be interested in this fight. The casual audience will see all the clips of you guys talking shit about each other. You could do that. But I just don't know, what else is there. John Jones ain't fighting on that card. Leon spoke to our own,

Damon Martin, said he's probably not fighting until October, September October now. So that fight's gone. Unless you do an interim, unless you want to do Colby versus Belal for like an interim title or something, just to add star power.

Like, I honestly don't know what else they're going to do. As it stands right now, Volkadovsky-Yair is a pretty damn good main event to me. Is it a million pay-per-view buys? Probably not, but is that going to sell out Team Mobile? Sure. It's International Fight Week.

It's an experience. It's not just that card. You're going for the whole week to experience everything that's happening. But I expect them to load this card up with other compelling fights. But we're getting there, aren't we? It's going to be May. We're just a little over two months away. But I think we'll be all right.

I think we'll be excited for this card. Mikey, hello. what's going on? Yeah, like, International Fight Week for the last 10 years has basically been, or what the UFC has tried to build it up as as like the WrestleMania of

UFC. So, I understand the, you know, the trepidation about like, oh, it needs a big headliner and I agree, it does, but at the end of the day, too, the, as you just mentioned, the event is the draw. You know, and it's

funny how MMA fans always like to waffle between merit and, you know, box office, right? Like they complain about, well, the UFC's only booking for box office purposes when they don't like the person like Connor. But then when there's an opportunity, I mean, God, I think of a complaint about this all the time. It's so ironic because, like, here you have, you finally have a chance for the UFC to book

an international fight week card based entirely off of quote unquote merit. And they're like, oh, I'm not sure I'm going to watch that. First of all, you're going to fucking watch it. Stop pretending you're not. going to. And two, half of the people who complain aren't even going to Vegas. Because trust me, as somebody that lives here and has gone to the International Fight Week, people have filled that arena for quote unquote lesser main events. You know what I mean? Like, I get it. We want the blockbuster, but, you know, sometimes you got to grease the wheel and sometimes you have to keep

things moving. Even like you said, with Sean Strickland and Israel-Distania, why not? I mean, how many times have I said that the content that the top top 10 doesn't necessarily have to be a strict. Oh, only the number one guy gets a title shot. I mean, when you have a champion like Izzy, who's cleaned out the majority of the division and only lost to the one guy who just left, I mean, what else are you going to do?

Are you going to shelve him for a year just to wait for the right contender to show up? You know, you can put, I mean, if Driscus is not going to fight, well, sure, put Sean. Do I necessarily like it? No, but at the same time, I also understand what the landscape is, you know? So, I don't know, man. And sometimes, the NBA fans are funny, man.

But, oh, also, how far are your Bruins and Celtics going? Because I don't think they're going to make it to the final, but that's just me. So, all right, that'll be all. Be kind, brother. Bruins are going to the finals. Sellers are going to the NBA finals. They're going to the NBA Finals.

Bruins, I feel like they should win the whole goddamn thing. They should win the whole thing. This is the best hockey team of all time. This Bruin team is the greatest hockey team ever assembled. This is the greatest season ever. Potentially. They have to win it all. Anything less than a cup is a disappointing season.

But they have the most wins all time. They've just dumped trucked everybody. Like it has been a joy to watch Bruins games this year. Because you just know they're going to win. It's a beautiful thing. Even if they're down like four to nothing, they find a way to win. And they look fresh. They don't look tired.

They look like they're getting better. So if I'm choosing between the two, I think the Bruins are going to win it all. And the Celtics could win it all, but I don't think they will. I think they'll find a way to stumble in the finals, if I'm being honest with myself. But I want to see the Bruins win it. This team deserves to win the whole thing. And I think they will. And by the way, just to mention international fight week, we don't know what is going on with

Connor McGregor right now. And if there's one thing we do know is that if the UFC wants to get something done, they will get it done. If they want Connor versus Michael Chandler International Fight Week and both guys are healthy, they'll do it. And you think Alexander Volcanowski and Yaya Rodriguez are going to complain being the co-made events, even though it's for a title to Connor McGregor, Michael Chandler, they ain't going to complain at all.

Because they're going to get a piece of that, and it's going to be massive. Don't know, don't think that'll happen, but another option if you're looking for something. Because, again, the UFC has not announced that, I don't think they've officially announced that fight yet. I know it's done. I know it's agreed upon all that. It's got the eyes crossed the tease at this point, but maybe they do Connor and Chandler on that card. I don't think they need to do it because I think Volk and Yai-Ir. Look, last year was Izzy versus Jared Kannoni-Ir.

Jared Kahnon-Ir was in the main event of International Fight Week last year. That fight was not all that compelling on paper. It was less compelling when the action actually took place. It was kind of the fight we knew what happened, but we hoped wouldn't. But Volk Yair is not going to be that. I'll tell you that right now. Brian, hello. Hey, Mike.

How are you? Good. I wanted to touch on the International Fight Week again. I think this is like a perfect international fight week. You just said compared to last year with Canaanair. I mean, you have great stories. You have Yaya Rodriguez coming back from years. Pretty much fighting at his best ability.

I mean, O&2 Moreno going in against Pantosia. I think the one thing that card needs is like a Costa Shemayev or like a Poria Gachi, something to just like get the casuals in, but just a nice three-reuxia. round fight that doesn't have to overtake Volcanovsky Star Power because I completely think he deserves this opportunity. I'm kind of curious about your thoughts on that. And then also just your thoughts on the next

couple of fight nights coming up, like Alan Hermanson, Emmett Tepore. Have you heard of any like rumblings on where they're going to happen or if they're going to happen at the apex? Just curious about if you had any inside knowledge about that. And then finally also, just a touch on the NBA finals, I will be glad to see

your Celtics when my calves squeak in there to the NBA finals. when they beat the bucks in seven after getting through the Knicks and five. So that would be a fun series and I will definitely talk to you about that again. Have a good weekend, Mike. Thanks, man. As far as June goes, I haven't heard anything about location. We don't even know what the main event is for June 24th yet.

June 17th is that Emmett-Teporia card. Maybe that ends up somewhere. They should probably go to Sacramento for that card. That would be a pretty cool place to do that and have Josh Edmund headline. but that's tough because Sacramento is in the playoffs. I don't know. And that's kind of what the UFC is dealing with right now in terms of booking arenas because a lot of the hot spots they want to go to are places where that location

has teams that are in the postseason. That's why Calgary is not the site of UFC 289. That's why Vancouver got it because Calgary is on a playoff run. So they're still doing the damn thing. Hermanson Allen, I'd be stuck. if it's not an apex card, but again, could be wrong. I just don't know how... That fight is just not going to sell tickets.

I like both guys. Two very nice individuals, but they ain't selling 15,000 tickets. That's just not the fight to do it. Emmett Toporia, maybe, but it would have to be like a location where... That's why I think somewhere in California, close to Sacramento, be good for that. So, yeah, as far as locale goes, I have no idea at this point. But look, they're not going to be at the apex all the time,

but they're going to be there, they're certainly going to be there a few times. Now, if they want to go back to the version of hotels and just do a card in front of like 1,500,000 people, I love that idea. Just get that ambiance and the out of the apex feel to it. Love that idea. And the landscapers are here. Of course, I'm doing a show and they're here. I should have known it was coming.

Abswalia. Four quarter sports is next. We'll go to Jalen. What's up, Abs Walia? Abzwalia. Let's go to four-corner sports. Four-quarter sports. Hello.

Hey, Mike. So I heard on BTL yesterday, and I didn't know about this. So the Jarsigno versus Jailton Almeda is actually an ABC card. I think that's a very weird main event to have on ABC. Just because, I mean, those are two individuals that are not appealing, you know, for somebody to sit, you know, in the middle of the day and watch, uh, what's-go-to-heel fight inside the octagon.

I mean, I get it if they're trying to build up those, Jocelyn Ameda. I just think that Charlotte's just a weird location to have, you know, Jelston and, you know, Joceneo, you know, being held there. Rather, that would have been, like, the version hotels, like you said. And I think the version hotels, I think, should be used more. Just because I love that, uh, that scenery when, uh, Marab and Peter Yan were fighting at it. I mean, it felt very like ECW-ish in a way. Um, I know you guys didn't talk about, uh, let's go international fight week.

My whole thing is they already having Volcanowski versus the A year, not confirmed for a main event yet. You have Marino versus Pantosia there. That's official. At this point, why don't you just throw in Valentina and, you're not, you know, you know, Alexa Grasso, I mean, since they're not going to go to Mexico this year from what it seems like, you're going to have all, why don't you have all three Mexican champions on that seam card, you know, build it up, you know, promote the shit out of it.

The Mexican community does travel, so I'm pretty sure you can jam out that whole arena out, and especially on International Fight Week, you're going to let that thing marinate. I think it will sell pretty well, and, you know, you're going to have a lot of good numbers coming in on pay-per-view. And, I mean, I heard the rumors of 4-8 versus Gachy. I don't know how true those are. I mean, if that's the case, I mean, like you said, they're going to really juice up International Fight Week. And that's going to be better for, you know, us fans.

I mean, like what Mikey has said, I mean, people are going to watch it. I mean, this is perfect to have Volcanowski, you know, being in the main event because it just seems like the U.S. has been slowly trying to build them up as this mega superstar. They handle fight, you know, max for the third time in the culminating event slot. You put him against, in a main event slot against zombie. You put him in the main event spot against Islam. And, you know, he just, like, he ended up growing as a big baby face.

And I just think that, like you have said, Yair is probably going to take a piece of Okunoski with him. Who wins? I mean, if Yajir can land, like, a spinning backlist, I mean, I could see Volcanoz getting stunned and, you know, the craziness from, you know, the craziness from, yeah, here it could come out. And lastly, I wanted to talk about nobody is talking about Chris Gutierrez versus Pedro Munoz.

How do you see that fight turning around? I'm actually, you know, very intrigued on that fight. And thanks, Mike. So, yeah, so the Poria Gaiji thing is interesting. Like, that'd be a great fight, obviously, to have on this card. I don't think we're going to get any sort of idea if that fight happens on that card. until after 288.

I think Porre is going to wait and see how that Oliver Darius fight goes. Because again, I've said it a million times and I'll say it again here. If Charles Olivera beats Binald Darius, Dustin Porre is probably getting the title shot. I'd be stunned if that didn't happen. Unless they just pivot right to Volk if Volt beat Yair.

But I feel like if they're, and I want to see Mokachev defend against a freaking lightweight. And even if it's Porreya, that's fine. But if Derrish wins, Derrish gets the shot, then we can do Porier versus G. Two at International Fight Week. Freaking awesome. And again, I love Volkiayae.

I think that would be a fine main event. I wouldn't do Valentina versus Alexa because you don't need it. You don't need it on this card. You got two title fights. They're going to stack the deck with other compelling matchups. There's just no need to. throw that fight on there. Let it marinate. Otherwise, we're going to be in the same

position we're in for June. Because we got we needed a main event for 289. We had nothing. So we're just trotting out Nunes and Penae again. Like, that's what they get. So we need to keep, like, in Chufchenko and Grasso, that rematch is pretty damn

compelling. So you got to kind of hold on to that one. There is a second pay-review coming up in July. You could throw it there. You could do it August, September, whatever. So we don't need to do that. The Gutierrez-Muno's fight. This to me,

it's a good fight. This to me has Rob Fon, Adrian Nianani's vibes to it in some respects. I feel like Pedro at Dog Bunny just has tremendous value here.

And I like Chris a lot. Chris is a good fighter. But what Chris, Chris's biggest weapon is his leg kicks and guess who throws really good light kicks himself Pedro Munoz and if you throw good leg kicks chances are you know how to defend like kick at least to some degree I just feel like Pedro's been in there with the who's who Chris is coming off a huge win against Frankie Edgar who

as soon as that fight was booked we're all like oh no he's going to kill Frankie Edgar and he did and it probably worse than we than we could have hoped for but I think Pedro Munoz that plus 170 from a betting perspective, I think there's tremendous value. This to me, this to me in some respects, it's not exactly the same because I think Chris has fought

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J.D. Bob. Hardcore casual and Zeech. That's the order. Abolia, hello. Hi. So I've got two questions to ask. Reno regarding the Renato-Moykala event that was meant to happen, we know that's been canceled.

Is there a possibility they'll possibly move the Johnny Walker, Anthony Smith, up to that event due to how, you know, there's not really anyone for. for Amantify it because they're not going to put Dan Hooker unless he's willing to and they're not going to put Gamor or Physia

unless they're available. So it probably makes sense in my opinion that did you know, Johnny Walker versus Anthony Spiff for that event just so there's something. And this is to do with the NBA.

Who are your two dark horse teams from the Western East Conference final that you can see making the finest possibly? I think Sacramento can make a lot of, to the finals. I know they're they end up being like the three seed, but they just kind of flew into the radar

all year. So I think they're pretty solid. Maybe the Knicks in the East, but they're not going to beat the South Exche of the Bucks. There's no chance. It's just not going to happen. I don't think there's a dark horse coming from the East. It's either Milwaukee or Boston, and it's probably going to be Boston. West, you could get a bunch. Golden State, I think it was the 6th seed or maybe the 7. so by just where they're ranked

where their statuses Golden State's kind of an under the radar pick but not really because they just won the whole freaking thing last year but I think Sacramento could they've been surprised with people all year so there's definitely more dark horses than the West as far as maybe they'll do that we had a caller earlier to suggest

to just move Ricky Simone Songy Dong back a week and make that the main event. I like that out of it. idea too. I like that idea as well. It'd be a tough spot for Anthony and Johnny. You're the main event of this card that's going to be on ABC. No, now you're the co-main event. Hey, now we're going to move you from a crowd into the lovely apex two weeks earlier. So I could see a world where they're just like, hell no. Go find somebody else. But I like the idea of having Ricky Simone Song-e-Dong headline that card.

Push it back a week. I'm cool with that. I like that idea a lot. That's, that, but it's probably the correct answer. It's probably the correct answer. I love that idea. Because the circuit's not going to fight on the card. No one, no one's going to fight.

No one's taking that fight on two weeks notice. Certainly as a Dan Hooker, he's hurt. Nobody else is available. Let's go to JD. J.D., hello. You're muted, J.D. J.D. All right, we move on.

Let's go to the hardcore casual, the hardcore casual, hello hardcore casual. Hey, Mike, can hear me? Yep. Hey, man, sorry. I called twice this week. I won't bring up the Siamese boxing thing again,

but in the spirit of free-for-all Friday, I'll try to keep this quick, and I think we had a few people waiting. Who do you think the new, I'm a big fan of the goofy stuff that the UFC does, like the BMF belt. Who do you think could be the new contenders for the BMF? And if they had a nicest MF or belt, an NMF belt, who do you think would fight for it? I'm going with Wonderboy or maybe like a Chris Barnett.

And then you think you could come up with like a fun sort of weird belt that the UFC could. put up. I know one, me and a couple buddies were talking about the other day was like a retirement belt. If it's somebody's retirement fight, the belt's on the line. If you win, you get your retirement belt. If you lose, they get your belt. Just trying to think of some more like fun stuff to kind of keep the more casual than me audience entertained. So just your thoughts on that. I don't know. trying to keep it fun, keep it light. Everybody'd be nice. Thanks, Mike.

So Wonderboy is definitely in the NMF conversation. Max Holloway is another one. Joe Selecki would be a great one. Luke Traynor would be a great one. I mean, there's lots of options for the NMF, but Wonderboy is already the champion in my eyes, so you have to beat that man. BMF, I think, look, do pour a gaecchi for the freaking BNF

title. Mazol's retired and we're going to keep that belt going. That's the fight. As far as creating another title, look, we've created the one of the most prestigious non-titles in MMA. We have actually made the middleweight division more interesting with the inauguration, if you will, of the middle-weightiest middle-way title. we have

that's the thing we haven't like figured out what it exactly is but like we know what the middleweight division is there's there's certain guys who are just super fun and then the rest of them are just they're middle weights they fight like middle weights

they strike like middle weights they usually go to decisions more often than not they're middleweighty middleweight fights and we're trying to make that more interesting. The middleweighty middleweight title is the fantasy football of MMA. How do you make the Cleveland Browns versus the Jacksonville Jaguars more compelling? Well, you have players on each team essentially. It makes you want to watch the game. Now we have a middleweighty, middleweight title. Brennan Allen is the guy. Some people argue that he shouldn't be

the champion, but I argue that the belt means so much to him that he has upped his game to a whole new level. So figuring out what the middle-weightiest middle-weight title actually is and who qualifies for it over the next couple months is going to be a fun little experiment to say the least. But that's, I think I've already created a fun title. JD, hello. Do we have you, JD?

Please, for the love of God. Hello, buddy. Oh, good morning. You can hear me now? Yes. Oh, thank God. My phone's been silly. All right.

Your phone is still silly. Last you, J.D., you're in the biggest tunnel of all time, I think. Zeke, hello. My man, Mike, how are we? Good, man. How are you? Doing all right. Yeah, I'm going to be short and sweet on this Friday.

Two questions for you. One, are the Tampa Bay Rays ever going to lose a baseball? game as a Yankee and Red Sox fan. Can we fix this? Can one of us beat them? Secondly, what do you think is the low-key banger on this UFC fight night this weekend? My man, Mike, have yourself a heck of a weekend. Depends how you define

low-key banger? Hmm. Bird of Brazil and East Gomes is going to be fun. I am intrigued about Jillian Robertson at 115. But the correct answer to this is if we're going by fight that's not on main card, it's easily Brandon Roy Vaugh versus Mateus Nicolao.

How this fight is buried on the prelims is just, it just makes no sense. It literally makes no sense. This is probably a number one contender fight. These are two top five guys. And they're not even, it's not that they're on the prelims. They're not even the featured prelim.

They're below the featured prelim. Clay Guida and Rapha Garcia, God bless them. if that fights on the main card but brand roovo matthias nikolao is not like what are we doing here what are we doing here that royville nicolaoau should be the frigging co-made events should be the co-made event of this card

it's a top five flyweight fight that is going to be insane and it's not even on the main card it should be the co-main events it's the fight that has the most stakes by far outside of the main event. How is this on the prelims? How is this on the prelims?

I don't understand. So I guess that's the answer. Gutierrez and Munoz is another fine choice. That's a main card fight, but to the previous callers credit, no one's talking about it. Like, no one's talking about that fight. But it's Roy Val-Nicolao for sure.

Chase that. You too. What do you think is next for Max if he wins or if he loses? And that'll be all, thank you. If he wins, golly, I don't know. I don't know.

It's not the title unless I guess he just hopes Yayae Rodriguez beats Volk and then beats him again because they're definitely going to run that back if that happens. Or maybe like if they do Volk, if Volt beats Yayaeer

and they go right back to Makachev, Wolkenovsky, Earl Holloway, Tuporia for an interim title or something? I don't know. If Teporia beats Emmett? And this is my issue with the fight. Like, what does Max

gain from this? He gets money, but I'm sure he gets a, I'm sure at this point in his career, he gets a flat fee to compete. I'm sure he's not on the wind show status. As far as fight pay goes, I'm sure he's getting a pretty solid flat rate to compete. So, like, what does he gain from this?

Other than a hope and a prayer that Yayae Rodriguez can beat the best fighter in the world in a lot of people's eyes, not once but twice. I don't know. Because he ain't fighting Volk. If he wins, I don't know. If he loses, I mean, either fights the of loyves of the world and the Nate Landwehr's of the world. Guys like that, he just becomes a high-level gatekeeper.

Or he goes to 55 and has fun fights at 55. I don't know. That's my issue with this fight. We know where Arnold Allen goes if he wins. But if Max wins, like, where does he go? He just needs to become the biggest Jaguarier-Rodriguez fan on the planet. It's tough to ask. It's a tough ask.

Tough ask. Scott. Hey, good morning, Mike. if you haven't already made your pick, can you tell me who you've got for OAM and Burgos? And are you going to go out and walk with the leaders on Sunday at Harbortown? Thanks. As of now, I will not be going to Harbourtown this weekend.

And that's like someone hits me up and says, oh, hey, I got a four-day pass and can't go Sunday. You want tickets? Then I would probably go, see if my kid wants to walk around. but I don't know if he would do that for an entire day. Wednesday was pretty freaking cool though. It was fun. We had a lot of fun.

Grayson got like a five-second look on local news, which was kind of cool. I was in there as well, just standing in the background while all the kids are getting autographs. But I would love to, but I don't think it's going to happen this time. I don't think it's going to happen this time around. would love for that to happen but

that place is friggin awesome what a beautiful place harboretown Claire's values a lot I have a long time this week I have a simple question do you think we see today that Endeavour

purchases a share of match from boxing because I think that's coming soon interesting I mean I guess I'm not ruling anything out at this point but like if they do that it ain't gonna happen for a while I mean, they are in, look, they can value companies however they see fit, but they have just so much debt right now with all this.

I just don't know like if they're going to be able to purchase a piece of anything at this point. You know what I mean? Like they just, I know it's a merger, but they own 51% of WWE. That costs them a big chunk of cash in order to do that. and put Vince McMahon in the position that he's in right now. So maybe someday, but we're probably years away from that happening at this point. This deal isn't even freaking closed yet. It's like agreed in principle, but it hasn't passed everything.

It's not signed sealed and delivered. So I would say maybe in the future, but not anytime soon. We'll take two more and then I've got to go. Patrick, hello. Hey, Mike, sorry if you went over this earlier or if it's been announced on Twitter or anything, but I'm going to UFC 288, and I was really looking forward to the Bryce Mitchell fight, and I'm just curious if there's any word on a new opponent. I heard maybe Mosar of Lov, but any thoughts?

Thank you. Yeah, no, nothing official yet. Danny Rubenstein tweeted out yesterday. He manages Mavzar of Lov that he has thrown his name in the hat. We'll see. We'll see. Someone, someone said earlier, like, Bryce should absolutely take that fight. Why? Why does he, I mean, why does he absolutely take that fight? The dude needs to win. Like, he has to win. He's in a must win position right now. If he ever wants to fight through the title, he's got to win his next fight. JSP was a tough fight. But a fight Mitchell probably has, I would probably pick Bryce Mitchell to beat JSP. probably would pick him. Not with full confidence, but I'd probably pick them. I would have full confidence.

Mobsar of Loeff beats Bryce Mitchell. Full confidence. And in a must-win spot, you're preparing for one guy, and now you're getting this dude who a lot of people feel is going to be a champion in this division on two weeks notice, a little over two weeks notice. I would not blame Bryce Mitchell one bit if he was like, no, I'm not fighting him.

Dude needs to win. And I'll give him a ton of credit if he says yes to it. But, yeah, nothing official. If Loyab would be a fun one, but I would favor of him to win that fight. Yes, hello. With the A's hats. Calling from the barrier.

I got two things real quick. All I'm going to say is, all I'm going to say, warrior. see you guys in the rematch for sure 100%. And my second question is, say we wake up tomorrow and the Drakis versus Adasanya fight is booked and they go to Africa with it.

How racist do you think that shit's going to get? Because, or how ugly, I guess, is a better word. Just those two things. Thank you. Yeah, it ain't going to be a fun build. It's not going to be a fun build. I'd be stunned if, I'd be stunned if they end up in Africa this year. Probably not going to happen.

If they do go to Africa, I think you have to book that fight. It's an absolute no-brainer. But now with Pereira moving up, I can see if they make it now. The bill to it's going to suck. It's going to suck so hard. It's going to be awful. It's not going to be fun.

But the fight will be fun because I honestly, Drickus is Drichus is just a monster I don't understand how he continuously wins fights the way he fights I mean you can do it against you get away with it against the Brad Taviruses

and the Darren Tills and the one foot out the door Derek Brunson's of the world but he's not going to be able to get away with that against Israel and Asana. So to Jed's credit he will make Adasania a fun.

Like, Adazani ain't going to point fight, Drey's 2 plus C. Driggas is going to come charging forward with his chin up in the sky and Izzy's probably going to knock him dead with inside of two rounds. I could be reading this fight wrong, but I don't think I am.

So if you want to give, you want to pull a heat on something and give Izzy sort of a high potential to get a highlight reel, it's probably going to get a high potential highlight reel. real in this fight. But the bill to it's going to be awful.

Not looking forward to it. And I can't believe I'm going to say this out loud. I am more looking forward to a press conference with Al Jermaine Sterling and Henry Suhudo that I am with Israel Adasanya and Trichistuplecy. I can't believe I just said that. I kind of threw up on my mouth a little bit. But Izzy's probably a minus 600 favorite in that fight. is he going to win that fight

they fight a hundred times Izzy's winning 86 of them like at least just a bad matchup for Drickus in a lot of ways that's why like I'm not saying like I could never see a world where Drickus beats couldn't

like there's never a world where Drickus beats Izzy it just isn't now like I want to see Drickus beat I want to see Drickus fight Marvin Vitoria fight Martin Vittori. You beat Martin Vittori, you go fight Izzy.

He beats Martin Vittory, I give him a much better chance. Go beat Robert Whitaker. I give you a, I give you, if you beat, he beats Robert Whitaker, I change my tune a bit. But if you chuck him in there with Izzy right now

coming off a wins over Darren Till, not in the UFC, Derek Brunson, barely in the UFC, with his mindset, that's just not enough to get, you a title shot in my eyes. Now, he treated them both accordingly,

and I respect that, but Darren Till had his moments against trick his duplicacy. But yeah, to answer your question, the build, it's going to be just awful. But, all right, we're done. Thank you very much. Later on, 1 p.m. Eastern,

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by fellow New Englanda, UFC featherweight contender, the man who has fought both main eventers, Calvin Cater, is going to join us to break down the main event. That is the plan as of right now. I would say we're all but signed, sealed and delivered for that.

Like I say, he's just going to come on for the main event. It's a very busy man. So he's going to come on, talk about the main event, give his picks, give his insight, maybe talk a little bit about Robbie Fons, big win this past Saturday, and then he's going to go enjoy the rest of the day. But 1 p.m. Eastern, join us for the UFC Kansas City preview show. It will be a lot of fun.

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