MMA Fighting - Jake Paul vs. Tommy Fury Post-Fight Show | Is the Jake Paul Boxing Experiment Over?

Episode Date: February 27, 2023

Jake Paul and Tommy Fury finally faced off in the boxing ring to settle their longstanding rivalry and it was Fury who emerged with a split decision win over the YouTuber-turned-fighter. It was a competitive back-and-forth fight and arguably the most high-profile bout yet for the crossover boxing stars. Join MMA Fighting’s Alexander K. Lee, Damon Martin, and E. Casey Leydon as we break down how Fury and Paul fared in their grudge match. Did the fight live up to the hype? Did either man cover themselves with glory? Will there be an immediate rematch? And if not, what’s next for Fury and Paul following their showdown? The panel also discusses the state of influencer boxing following a weekend that also saw Floyd Mayweather take on reality TV star and former Bellator fighter Aaron Chalmers in an exhibition bout. Has this trend run its course or are there still plenty of money matchups to be made? Follow Alexander K. Lee: @alexanderklee Follow Damon Martin: @DamonMartin Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mmafighting Follow on Twitter: www.Twitter.com/MMAFighting Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Woo! What's up, everybody? Good job, good job. Yeah, no, that's a good start. That's a good start. That's the right energy to bring to this post-flight show for the... Jake Paul versus Tommy Fury.

Or really, now that we have the result, we should call this the Tommy Fury versus Jake Paul post-fight show because everyone tuning in now is well aware that, yes, the Fury Paul fight actually happened. And the winner was Tommy Fury being a split decision. And I think we can discuss this. We will discuss this further. A pretty clear-cut decision win I thought for Tommy Fury.

But we'll see. There was a lot of crazies during the fight. This is the voice of Alexander. Kay Lee. Oh no, where's my fake? Oh, hello. The voice and face of Alexander Kay Lee. Here to host this show. What's up, everybody? Thank you for tuning in. I know this link went up early. People have been leaving comments since yesterday. So much anticipation. I am very fortunate and blessed to be joined by the esteemed

Damon Martin. What a day we are having here on a Sunday, a beautiful Sunday watching high level boxing at its very best. Somewhere, Nello Alvarez is going to sleep peacefully knowing his title is safe from Jake Paul for yet another day. Well, yes. Well, we'll see. I don't know. Well, uh, while, while the iron has cooled, I don't know.

While, Jake Paul is vulnerable and shown weakness, I could be wrong. Uh, also joining us is producer extraordinaire. The beautiful. He Casey Leiden. Oh, hi. This is my day off. And I'm here to talk about celebrity boxing. I will show up on my day off of celebrity boxing.

Or celebrity influencer, YouTube, whatever other adjective boxing. I'm here. One day, Casey, when you're 80 years from now, when you're an old man and you're on your deathbed, and you're thinking about the regrets in your life, it won't be the time you didn't spend with your family. It's that you didn't watch enough celebrity boxing. So this will not be one of them. Today's event will not be one of them. You will say, I didn't miss that.

I didn't miss that. I could have been hanging out with my family, but no. I was watching celebrity boxing. If I would have missed today, I would have gotten a tattoo. I've only got my no regret tattoo. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Since I am hosting the show, I am allowed to open with a shout-out to Celtic for winning the Scottish League Cup today, 2-1 over the horrible, horrible Rangers. Back-to-back, Scottish League Cups, they're coming for that since premiere ship to go Celtic. Kiyogo, if you're out there, and then you're watching as I'm sure you are. I love you. All right, guys. Let's talk about let's talk about the second most important

sporting event of the day. Tommy Fury versus Jake Paul or Jake Paul versus Time Fury, however you guys want to phrase it. It was certainly billed with Jake Paul as the A side. We've written so much about this fight, really more than most fights, because it was booked two previous times. There's been press conferences,

there's been interviews, there's been quotes for the first two times. It actually happened this time, 18 months or so, I think, after we first maybe started talking about it as even being a possibility. I'm kind of just satisfied that it went down. I didn't think the fight also was not, was like terrible. They're not great boxers. I think that's the only thing I tweeted during the fight was they're not great

boxers and then my score. That's really all I had to say about it. It's not a good boxing match. Okay, I thought the Badu Jack Maccabu fight was actually pretty decent. You know, if you wanted to see real boxing, there you go. You got a really good performance from. from Badojack, but yeah, the Fury Paul. Damon, what did you get your money's worth?

Did you feel like you got your money's worth if you paid full price for this pay-per-view event? I mean, I think the tension was there. It built up really well. And I would disagree to say it wasn't great. Obviously, certainly isn't great boxing, but it wasn't terrible. I mean, I've watched plenty of boxing matches that didn't look much better than that. I would actually say one thing I was fairly impressed by was Tommy Fuja. Fury actually showing some good boxing fundamentals, sticking behind his left jab, you know, really up in the punch count.

You could really see the difference in his boxing technique versus Jake Paul, where Jake was just kind of loading up on a lot of his punches and really badly ducking his head over and over again. I think that's probably my biggest complaint about Tommy Fury is that he should have unleashed uppercuts earlier in the fight because Jake was literally just diving into his midsection to throw his left jab out there. and I think a well-timed uppercut could have probably ended his night. But outside of that, I was actually fairly impressed. I'll be honest, I had not been impressed by Tommy Fury up to this point. I was at his fight in Cleveland when he fought on the undercard against, was it Anthony Taylor, and it was a bad fight. I mean, it was just a really, really bad fight.

And I was like, wow, this is not a good sign for Tommy Fury. He looked good. I thought he looked fairly good. I had him winning. I want to say five rounds to three or maybe even six two. I really didn't think it was that controversial of a decision. I didn't really understand the split decision. A couple of close rounds in there.

But yeah, honestly, I just give credit where credit is due. I was impressed by Tommy Fury. I honestly, I honestly didn't know what to expect out of him because I really hadn't seen enough to believe he could get it done. And he got it done. Oh, what happened there? We lost your audio for a second. No, this is the part where you talk, okay?

Oh, I'm sorry. No, it cut off for me. I'm sorry, David, I missed the end of your point there. But the overall point I agree with. I had it, I think, by the end, a weird kind of 75, 74 score for Fury. So I wasn't with the 76, 73s. Before the 8th round.

Before the 8th round, how many rounds did you give the Jake before the 8th? I gave Fury. I think that means I gave Fury five or four rounds plus a one with a point deduction. I gave to Paul, Paul and thus that turned into a tie. So my score cards are those. The each had point deductions, correct? The each had point deductions. Paul had a knockdown.

Paul had one knockdown in the end of the round. Okay, so there we go. So there was also a 10-8 for Paul in round eight, I thought, I believe. So I came up with 75-74-fury. So I guess, again, I could see where the 74-75 Paul came from if just one of my Fury rounds, maybe round one, maybe round one, I don't think so. And maybe one of the other rounds you gave to Paul. So I don't think 75-74 Paul is like crazy.

If anything, I think if you're going to give him the fight, that's really the only card you could come up with. I think anything higher than that. I think like 76, 73, Paul might have been egregious and obviously anything worse than that would have been too much. But Casey, we've watched a lot of celebrity boxing and weird freak show stuff. The last couple of days, including the Mayweather Chalmers card, like the cards actually like weren't. I don't know if this is a comment or an insult. This one's going to you.

They kind of just felt like boxing cards. They kind of just felt like legit boxing cards, like just the way they were paste, the way the broadcast is done. This wasn't this wasn't Triller boxing, like musical performances and skits and stuff like that. This was just like two boxing events, except for, of course, Tommy Lee versus Natalie Nunn from Saturday, which I agreed to never speak up again. So Casey, I don't know. Are you feeling like, did you still get a charge out of this event? I only really, I didn't see anything, the Mayweather exhibition fights or anything like that. So you're going to have to go into detail about baddies and all that stuff.

So I can't, I'm not the authority on that. And I really only tuned in for this card basically before the walkout. So I can't really judge the whole card. I saw a little bit of the Badu Jack fight. But that looked like a good, decent boxing match. But it was fine. It was, I don't know, it just, it just kind of thing that happened. And as far as like the product, you're talking about just kind of the general production?

Yeah. Listen, you said even just talking with the walkouts, were you disappointed by the walkouts? Like we saw in the leaked script. I guess they had to change the script, Casey, because it leaks. Thanks, TMZ, that we supposedly this leaked script, we were going to get a Jake Paul dressed as a baby or something to make fun of Tommy Fury. So we didn't get that. If anything, we just got like two normal walkouts.

So I don't know. Can I not trust Dylan Dennis's Twitter now? I know. That's the big revelation tonight. I mean, today is like, is Dylan Dennis trolling me? I can't believe people didn't believe that, like, if there was a script for the fight, it would be printed out on paper. Like so easily.

Someone needs to take Dylan Dennis's Twitter away from him or like charge him every time he tweets. That way he'll like run out of money in like five minutes because how he has money right now, I have no idea. But like that guy tweets like he tweets so often. I'm just like, why? Why are we still paying attention to what he's tweeting? Yeah. I'm sorry I brought it up. I'm sorry.

That's my name. I'll be honest. Like I was kind of underwhelmed by the show aspect. of it? Like it didn't feel as big as maybe. Again, I know it's, you know, it's influence or boxing ultimately. Tommy Fury is, you know, more legitimate, let's say, in terms of boxing. But,

yeah, it was kind of underwhelming in that regard. Like, it just felt like two kind of normal, you know, normal walkouts, whatever, and, you know, nothing really all that special about it. I, you know, I think this is not a knock on, you know, I mean, we could get into a much deeper philosophical debate about the fight being in Saudi Arabia, but

it just didn't have that big fight feel to it in that moment. once the fight got started, like the atmosphere, it was big on line. If that makes sense, like it felt big on Twitter. It felt big for us watching it. But in the arena, it didn't feel like a show. But it did play out like a show because there's plenty of drama there. I guess my biggest complaint about the fight itself is what was the referee doing?

That referee just needed to like get out of there. Two point, two kind of pointless, two really bad point deductions. Like he wanted to be part of the show. Like, are we going to, is the next fight car going to be salt poppy? versus the referee from this fight? Because that felt like what he wanted. Like he wanted to inject himself into this fight. First of all, hashtag rules, rule, guys.

I don't care if it's if it's Canelo versus Triple G or if it's Jake Paul versus Tommy Fury. You can't allow holding the back of the head, excessive clenching. That referee is just doing his job. I feel bad. I don't remember his name. I felt like the production did a bad job of actually explaining what the point deductions were. I didn't really quite even understand it other than excessive holding,

but it didn't really feel that way. It was punches to the back of the head for both guys. I think the first one they said holding the back of the head. And then the second one, they said was, I'm not sure. It was weird because like none of the, none of the quote unquote foul seemed egregious enough to warn a point. That's why it's confusing because on the broadcast, they're saying punches or holding whatever it is back,

but it's back to the back of the head. But neither, none of that really seemed egregious enough to warn a point deduction. Like a warning maybe first. It was weird. It was just a, and they ended up doing it to both fighters. So I guess it kind of evened out,

but it was just, you know, I'm not, I'll be the first to admit, I'm not the biggest boxing officiantado, but I do watch all the big fights. And I rarely see a referee inject himself that much, like,

and actually deduct points. Then again, you know, like I said, Jake and Tommy, weren't exactly, you know, this wasn't, this wasn't Mayweather Pakeau in terms of skills either. Yeah. Listen, you guys know I'm the Prince of Positivity.

So I'm going to run the show a little differently than some other people of our staff might. So I want to focus on a little bit of the positives here. So, Damon, I'll go to you first. What did you like about, even though he lost, what did you like about Jake Paul's performance tonight? I mean, listen, Jake Paul had his moments and he stuck tough through all eight rounds. I think, you know, he still showed, you know, real basic boxing skills. I think, you know, the biggest issue he had was he was just relying too much on his power. And I think that kind of hurt him is because he wasn't really setting up combinations.

He had a decent jab. He had a couple of good, he did hit him with a couple of good left hooks and a good right hook as well. But it just seemed like Jake was depending on that too much. Like Jake was so determined to get the knockout that he kind of forgot just to go out there and box, if that makes sense. And so he had his moments and he stuck, tucked through the end. I don't really think it was the fact that Tommy was so much better. It was like a dramatic difference in skill set.

I just think that Jake was relying too much on that one punch knockout power. And it kind of came back to Biden because when you look at the output and the stats about midway through the fight, like Tommy was landing like two to one in punches. And then that says a lot about when you're loading up on a big right hand or a big left hand and not sticking your jab, not coming, not throwing combinations. That's what Tommy was doing really well throughout the entire fight, two, three, four punch combinations, lead behind his jab and constantly circling away so Jake could never cut off the ring. I thought that was really, really well done on Tommy Fury's part. You know, this was supposed to be positivity about Jake, but that, all right, all right, listen, well, you know, listen, if you want to slam Jake some more, Casey, I'll throw it to you because I was going to ask you.

And you kind of mentioned before some of what you liked about how Tommy fought tonight. But what else? Give me a elaborate a little more on what the, anything. positive you saw from from Tommy Fury because he came in with a lot of we said I feel like more pressure and also a little bit expectations because he comes from the boxing family because people feel like yes he's been fighting you know very very low level journeyman but actually fighting you know people who were trained professional boxers so what did you like with him did he live up your expectations surpass them from Tommy from Tommy I learned that he is a he's a boxer I don't know it sounds it sounds very

obvious but like like if this was a fight i still believe jake paul is the better fighter but tommy is a pure boxer and pure boxing won tonight uh that's pretty much it um Tommy just had better fundamentals of boxing um like yeah if they were going to fight in the parking lot i would actually pick jake i think jake's a better fighter but uh boxing is boxing is very particular rule set and yeah, Jake, sorry, Tommy's just a better boxing and kind of show tonight finally. And this actually was the proper level up for Tommy. You know, no, I wasn't impressed with Tommy's past performances.

And I'm not necessarily impressed as far as Tommy going to be like a really, a true, you know, top five fighter, you know, in his division. I don't see that really happening. but I guess he's ranked now or whatever in that that whole thing. He should be, right? If Paul was promised the ranking, yeah. If Paul was promised the ranking, shouldn't Tommy Fury now get the ranking?

Yeah, I don't know. He is the Daria, excuse my pronunciation, Daria champion now, of course. W. And let's also not forget. And this is the one thing that gets missed. And I'm not, I guess I am defending Tommy and Jake at this point. But Tommy Fury is 9-0 now. boxers at night, like outside of Vasolo Machinko, who started fighting really high-level competition early on,

like most boxers do not get to like real competition until like 20 fights into their career. Like look at any major boxer. Look at Canelo Albers. I think I did a dive on Canello's record. I don't think he fought a, I don't think he fought an opponent with a winning record to like 13 or 14 fights in his career. With a winning record, I'm not saying a good boxer. I'm just saying somebody with an actual winning record. So at nine fights in his career, Tommy Fury, should.

be a top five fighter. He's still probably seven, eight fights away from even knocking on that door. Yeah, that's fine. So I, so I just got to, I just got to mention that because, and Jake Paul, the same thing. Jake Paul was six and oh, like these guys are for for for boxers, for real boxers, if that's what we're going to treat them as real boxers, neither one of these guys would really be fighting anybody of, you know, any decent caliber for another, you know, two, three years down the row. I mean, at least, like, that's just normal box. That's how boxers, that's how boxers, That's how boxing works. People beat up on the taxi drivers and the guy they pick out of the crowd who was selling hot dogs 10 minutes earlier to step in the ring, get beat up.

And you pad your record. That's just how boxing works. I will say a lot of boxers would have more amateur experience, you know, than these guys have before getting put on this kind of, you know, platform. But you're right. When it comes to pro experience, it's not all that. I do think Paul's, you know, Wesemae is just so bizarre and weird because he can handpick, like, basketball players and former MMA fighters. But you're right, as far as Fury goes, he has, he is, his pro start is very similar to a traditional, you know, boxing star. It's not all that different, which makes sense.

Again, he comes from an actual boxing circle. They would know how to get him into that. Casey, you said something interesting. You said if they were in a street fight, for example, they fought in a parking lot. If they were able to, I don't know, mix the martial arts, you might say, you're suggesting that perhaps Jake Paul would have an advantage. It looks like we are, well, we can sort of talk about the chance of this happening, but we know there was a rematch clause for Jake Paul going to this fight. Not for Tommy Fury.

Not for Tommy Fury. Jake Paul is the option for rematch. Tommy Fury doesn't. This was brought up multiple times before the fight. It was brought up in the post-fight interviews. And both men had said, of course, Tommy said, if you want it, we'll do it. Jake Paul said 100%, let's run it back. Obviously, it has to be in boxing.

But do you think there's a chance that they'll try and make some sort of M.A thing happen? Or would you prefer, even better? Would you prefer that? If you could wave a magic wand, would you rather see them fight in MMA than running back? No, no, no. I don't want to see bad MMA. I see a lot of bad MMA already. That is true.

I'm good. I'm good. I rather, I like people staying in their lane, basically. No, I don't want them to switch sports, especially I don't want Tommy to switch sports. He's a boxer. That's what he wants to be. Be a boxer. Yeah, don't, if they rematch, cool.

I don't know if it's going to be a bigger fighter. not. I don't, I don't, I don't really have a pulse on this, the Tommy Fury thing. I just don't, but, but people seem to leave comments and keep going, why are you talking about Tommy Fury? But we're going to click on every article and watch every stream about it. So we're talking about it. But if they rematch, they rematch, but please keep it in boxing. Okay, let me just say, I'm going to run a poll now, asking people if they want to see rematch. The first poll I had, who do you think won the main event? Over 4,000 votes. Okay, thank you people. Tommy Fury, 78%, so a lot of people not really disputing the decision.

Very small, 14% for Jake Paul, even smaller, 6% draw. So people seem pretty comfortable with the decision. It was a competitive fight. It wasn't like a super blowout for Tommy Fury. No, it wasn't a blowout at all. It was competitive. I would hope this is not controversial. It was competitive.

I'm sorry, go on. I was just saying, I would say, though, if the rematch seems like it's going to happen. If I'm Jake Paul, honestly, I either delay the rematch or maybe even pick up the Nick Diaz fight in between because I think Jake like even though it was a close fight I think Jake needs a little bit more seasoning to like actually in his boxing fundamentals because that's where Tommy beat him Tommy beat him in the fundamentals Tommy out jabbed him Tommy was he could never cut off the ring because because yeah Tommy's footwork he kept circling away and Jake could never catch up to him the times when Jake caught Tommy were generally when Jake step or when Tommy stepped into a punch and Jake would throw a counter like a big hook or something or a big overhand. and he'd clip him or catch him in those moments. Just like with a knockdown, he kind of caught him off balance. It was a weird knockdown. I mean, it was a knockdown, but it kind of wasn't.

He was stepping forward. He kind of got caught off balance. I don't think he was really hurt or wobbled necessarily. But that's the thing about Jake Paul. It was a close fight, but I think if Jake Paul wants a chance to really win or make a more decisive win, he needs some more time. Like he needs some more time to really work on his boxing fundamentals. Either that or, you know, again, take six months to do that

a year to do that or again, maybe take the Nate Diaz fight just to make a big fight and then build to the Tommy Fury rematch. Because I think that's the difference in this fight was the fundamentals. Jake, you could see, didn't have great fundamentals and Tommy did. Yeah, one guy looked more like a boxer. I think you mentioned Jake had like a decent jab in the fight. And it was frustrating because he would land it and just could get nothing off of it. Like you could see just he'd land it.

It would look pretty, it would look okay. And Fury like easily escaped any sort of follow-ups. strikes any sort of trouble it wasn't cutting him off it wasn't really helping jake control the distance uh time fury was very quick to sort of like okay i got like i got hit okay hold on you know let me do a little shuffle here let me let me get just my because time period times had his hands down was getting a little cocky every now and then caught with a jab okay reset i'm not getting hit by anything big um there was a few good right hands by paul but yeah it's it does look like if you rematch immediately even if paul won it wouldn't like be this really vindicating yeah i just

can't see him knocking him out, barring a big mistakes. Can I ask a question? You were talking, AK, about the mixing of the martial arts, and this is a weird one to make, but Jake Paul's jab throughout the fight, I kept mentioning it earlier, how he would throw the left jab and he would duck his head down. It looked to me, and please correct me if I'm wrong, it looked to me like he was throwing an MMA jab, where he was throwing the left jab and then ducking for a takedown. Like, he kept ducking his head and bending his legs over and over and over again.

I kept thinking, like, oh, my God, if Tommy Fury would throw an uppercut right now, Jake's head would sail into the fourth round because he just kept ducking his head. And it was, it reminded me of like an MMA jab where you jab and you look for a takedown. It's a very common move in MMA. And you do see like when Curtis Blades went for a jab and a takedown and got blasted by Derek Lewis in that one. You know what I mean? When you do it kind of in a sloppy way, it reminded me to that because that's what it looked like. He was throwing this left jab and he kept duck in his head.

And I was like, my God, dude, are you trying to get a double leg here? Like, what are you doing? Yeah. Yeah, he kept duck in his head. he kept looking down at the ground, Jake, especially when Tommy kind of through a combination. And it's funny because Jake was doing a lot of things like my own coach will yell at me not to do during boxing, sparring too. Like if I get overwhelmed the corner, I'll cover up, but I'll won't keep my head up. I'll look down.

And I was like, oh my God, Jake's doing the same thing. I'm as good as Jake Paul. That's what I was thinking. But so there was just like, just fundamental. errors that you can only erase with, with, erase with experience. And Tommy does have more experience. I'm sure he has many, probably hundreds,

maybe a thousand more rounds of sparring than Jake does throughout the year. So, yeah, as kind of back to the beginning, Tommy was just the more experienced boxer tonight. And I think, Damien, you had to go, yeah, those are good observations. Jake kind of Jake looked like he was fighting and boxing isn't fighting boxing is boxing. Yeah.

I, listen, I had said going into this, how much of a real boxer is Tommy Fury? And while I still don't think he's like fits my classic, you know, definition of like, what is a boxer boxer? I still think he's more, because he's more famous for something else, I like don't consider him to be a like, oh, he's this first legit boxer that Jake Paul's face. But he was certainly more than legit enough. And if you, if you watched this, again, if you didn't know. much about these guys and this was your first time watching either the fight and you were to ask who's the guy with more boxing experience, it would be a Tommy Fury by far. He just, you're right.

He looked more professional. And again, it's not like this blow the roof off performance, but a professional boxing outing is apparently all that was needed to beat Jake Ball. Because again, with respect to Andrew Silva, who put on a very entertaining fight against Jake Paul, people can argue he won. I was very comfortable with the Paul decision in that fight. Andrew Silva is not a boxer. He's not a traditional boxer. He's also considerably older. So this ticked off a lot of boxes for people as far as wanting to see Jake Paul face a certain type of opposition. And a lot of people are feeling very vindicated today. A lot of people who said Tommy Fury was going to have him ahead of the ever since the first fight was booked, people saying

Tommy Fury was going to be the one to get him. I wasn't sure. I just wasn't impressed by Tommy Fury. I thought Jake Paul had a very good chance to knock him out. But I just, I think also, I think also people are just getting like, you. You know, you get a little overzealous with these kind of things when you talk about, you know, again, these guys were pretty even and skill level. You know, Tommy was just a better boxer in terms. I keeps going back to it. It's true. Better boxing into fundamentals.

It wasn't a blowout. It wasn't like this was eight rounds to none. And Tommy just absolutely beat up, you know, Jake Paul and just, you know, battered him for, no, Jake Paul had his moments. Jake Paul won rounds. Again, the biggest difference, and I am sorry I keep banging this drum, the biggest difference was. Tommy just knew how to stick to the boxing. He stuck behind his jab, footwork, little, little things that a boxer knows how to do that Jake just didn't seem. He seemed like a step behind in all those little details.

And that just comes with time. If Jake's serious about this, he'll learn it and he'll get better from it. But it wasn't like he got blown out of the water. It wasn't like this was, I don't think the whole vindication thing is, I don't think that's true because Jake didn't lose by a wide margin. He didn't get blown out. He didn't get knocked out. He didn't get dominated. It was a split decision.

I felt good with Tommy Fury winning. I had him, you know, going in the final round, I tweeted. I thought Jake Paul needed a K.O. to win. But still, like, it wasn't like this unbelievable blowout where you just feel like it was a mismatch. It wasn't that. It just, again, Tommy Fury was better in the areas where you need to be as a professional boxer. And, and Craig, Jake got a, he did get a knockdown. That was, that was a soft knockdown.

It wasn't a knockdown that. That really hurt Tommy, but it was a knockdown. His feet didn't trip. I think they were both throwing jabs at the same time, or someone was throwing a hook or something. And Jake just hit Tommy of a very solid, straight jab right on the chin and pushed him back, and his glove touched the ground. It was a good knockdown, and those aren't accidental.

I don't care how crappy you are. Jake earned that knockdown. It wasn't enough for him to win the fight. I thought maybe it was like, ooh, I thought that would be, I thought, I guess, I guess that's what got him to spit decision for that knockdown because I don't even think, would Jake even win that round if you take away the knockdown? I don't know. It was, it was a close one. It was a pretty close round, but you have to give it a 10-8. You have to give it a 10-8. Unless Fury was like dominating the entire round before or dominated after.

It was pretty close. Yeah. But this is kind of the problem. with Jake Paul and how his career is set up. And it's only a problem in terms of his competition, not a problem with his bank account, because he does need tune up fights. He does need to fight jobbers like Tommy has to build up his career. But Jake, if he wants to get these main event pay-per-views all the time

where he's getting these, I'm just going to make up number $10 million. I don't know how much Jake made for this fight tonight. He has to, he can't fight like nobody's. He has to fight at least a name that might be a nobody may be skill set wise, but he has to fight names. And you have to fight more often. You have to fight more often. An actual boxer when they're coming up doesn't fight two or three times.

And he has to fight boxers. He can't fight. He can't keep fighting MMA guys who want to kind of dip their toe in boxing. Well, this is where this is, this is kind of where Jakes kind of doomed himself a little bit though, right? because in reality he can't do that. He can't go back and fight the two and 26 fighters that Tommy Fury has on his record. Like, he can't do that now because Jake is such a big name and he commands such a presence. People aren't going to be interested in watching him fight, you know, Joe the gas station.

They're not going to pay him. Then I can pay money. We'll watch it for free, you know. Yeah, they're not going to pay money to watch him fight Joe the gas station attendant, who is the normal boxer you would fight at that point, is crazy. You know, like I said, Nate Diaz, you know, that's again, it's not really going to make him a better boxer. We'll get him experience. And, you know, Nate's a decent boxer.

Although I can think Nate would be undersized in that fight. And I think Jake could kind of bully him in a way that he bullied a lot of the other opponents he fought. Maybe he fights KSI, which KSI really needs to stop celebrating this. Like he got to win somehow. KSI is not good either, okay? Like, let's not pretend that KSI is a good boxer. You know, him celebrating Jake Paul dude. I think Tommy Free with style on KSI.

Like, I think that would be a mismatchewing. So KSA needs to slow down in his whole celebration about Jake Paul's downfall. But, yeah, like, but again, that's not really going to get him better for a Tommy Fury match or any other serious boxer because none of them are serious boxers either. Yeah, David, I think you're right. It's, it's, and I think we knew, listen, we all knew, even though Jake Paul was saying all the right things when he started like, I'm in this for real. I want to be a real boxer. I want to be a world champion someday. That it's just so difficult for him to actually get on that path because, like we said, he has to fight more.

often. He has to fight no names. That's bullshit. Yeah, right. With Jake Paul saying it's bullshit. Of course. It's, because it's about the paycheck. He wants to pay. He wants to paycheck. And that's his priority, which is fine. But he is bullshitting us by saying, you know, I want to do this, whatever, be a real boxer. If you're being a real boxer, you fight, you fight those, those regional cards, those casino ballroom shows, you know. And it's the, it's the grind, man. It's easy to go to a training camp when you know, like, oh, I've got a Madison Square Garden main event ahead of me. I'm fighting a UFC champion. It's easy to go to the grind for that. Can you go to that same grind five or six times a year when you're facing Joe Schmo and boxcar Willie?

Because that's what real boxers do on the way up. They're doing constant training camps. They're focused on this one thing. They don't have the resources that he has. They don't have a fallback. There's no, well, if boxing doesn't work out, I've got this other entertainment opportunity. I can go try MMA. I mean, I guess some fighters have that option, but not in the way that he can't. not the level of interest that he can, the guaranteed money that will come if he decides to do it. So it was always, like you said, it was always BS to keep this PG. It was always a bit of a fantasy for Jake Paul.

And again, which is not to say he can't get some, you know, Conello exhibition bout someday in the future if he wants to, but as far as actually earning his way towards a world title, becoming a real ranked fighter and not just having Sulemaid say, you'll be ranked if you beat Tommy Fury, you know, because we can do that. It's a totally different path that has to start a lot earlier in your life, And I just don't think it's, you know, I think we knew it.

No, it was never really possible. I think we, we, we, none of us, none of us really believed that. We all kind of joked about the whole, like, he's going to be Conno, like, rolling our eyes and laughing at it. But the minute, here's where I, like, not that I ever believed it, I didn't. And, and again, I don't care that he says it. He wants to go and earn a lot of money. Good for you. Go earn your millions.

I don't care. I'm glad you're doing it. And I'm glad guys like Ben Ascran and Tyron Woodley, even though, you know, they lost, they got paid a lot of money to do it. Good for them. But the minute that Jake Paul signed with PFL and suddenly decided I'm going to do MMA 2, I knew it was, I knew that it was a rap on his quote unquote serious boxing career because you don't do both.

No one does both successfully. No one has ever done both successfully at the same time. And so as soon as you start splitting your time and you're talking about making your MMA debut in a year, you're not, you're not being serious about either sport because you can't. You just can't. They are two different sports. there's a reason why outside of Holly Holm, no one has really ever successfully done it at a high level.

Even Holly Holm took a lot of time between her boxing career and then actually stepping in there to high level mixed martial arts. You just can't do it. It's two different sports. I know they're both combat sports, but it's two different sports. So as soon as Jake signed with P.F.L. I'm making my debut in a year. I was like, all right, well, you know,

whatever fantasy he was trying to sell us about this whole serious boxing career that went flying out the window. And again, let me be clear. that's fine. I don't care. Dude, I'm happy that you're making millions of dollars. I'm happy people are paying to watch a fight. Good for you.

Just stop selling the line that you're going to be a serious boxer because whatever, you know, whatever chance there was of that when flying out the window the day you signed a PFL and said, I'm also going to do MMA because that's not worked out for anybody else. And I doubt it's going to work out for Jake Paul. People are saying Holly Holmes succeeded in both the same time. Not really. She kind of by the time. She retired from one.

She retired from one and moved to another, yeah. Her MBA career in earnest, she was pretty much done with boxing. So that's what we're saying. We're saying literally at the same time being a high-level contender in both. And going from boxing, yeah, boxing to MMA is incredibly tough. Kickboxing to MMA at the same time is doable. Obviously, we've seen Adasani do it, but even Alassani had to kind of retire. Alex Pereira had to retire from kickboxing to dedicate themselves at a high level in mixed martial arts.

You can kind of fight a high-level kickboxing and fight like at a mid-level. in MMA, but not at a high level. It's just, that's going to be very difficult. And boxing is pretty much you can't do. You can't do. What's the, what's the dude's name from, from PFL,

was it Clay, um, uh, who did boxing. Jay Collar. He did boxing for a few years and had, but what did he do? He stopped doing MMA.

He stopped doing MMA altogether, went to boxing for a few years. He was a, you know, mid, you know, mid card kind of guy, never really, you know,

won any big fights, but did it. And then he stopped it. and went back to MMA. That's, you just, it's almost impossible to do both. No one's ever really done it.

And again, you have to remember, Jake Paul, you know, is not, it's not like he is, it's not like he's had this ingrained in him since birth. He's not Tommy Fury who's been boxing since he was six years old.

He started doing this three, four years ago, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, he's 26, now he started boxing at 22. Most guys who are boxers start doing, it's just like wrestling.

Like, I'm a wrestling guy. Most guys who are wrestlers, high level wrestlers, you're doing it from like, six, seven years old. You're not starting wrestling at 1920 and saying, I'm going to go to the Olympics. It just doesn't happen.

Yeah, that's why I said. I was being conservative when I said that Tommy Ferry probably has 10,000 more hours in the gym, hitting a bag, shadow boxing, shadow, like pure boxing than Jake Paul does. It's just, that's just the reality. Guys, right now, so I set a poll should there be an immediate rematch. Right now, 57% no, so pretty firm. Not overwhelming, but I would think, just based on our educated YouTube commenters,

they don't want to see it again soon. And I honestly believe, even though both guys were saying, yeah, let's just do it because there is that, because there is that clause in there, it took so long from them to make the first fight come together. I don't know if we need to jump through hoops to make this happen again. We don't even know if Tommy Fury can fight in the U.S.,

which is a whole other issue. I would think that Jake Paul would not want to go into enemy territory again. He was booed while he was in Saudi Arabia. obviously if this had happened in London as it was booked at one point you know he would have been booed there too so I think he wants his next fight to happen in America depending on the

opponent so let's say it what's next Damien what is next for Jake Paul if he does not fight Tommy Ferry which I'm going to kind of guess he doesn't I mean I think it's still the Nick Diaz fight I mean it's still a big fight people aren't going to just suddenly lose interest

you know if he had got knocked out if he just absolutely got desic made it to be a different story, but he didn't. He didn't get blown out of the water. He lost, but he didn't get blown out of the water. They're still going to be interested in Nate Diaz in that fight. Nate Diaz is still a huge name. Nate Diaz talks trash.

There's still going to be a lot of interest in there. Now, in a weird way, like, I'll be honest. When that fight got buzzed about before this fight got made, I said, Nate Diaz is going to be like a five-to-one underdog because he's so much smaller. Like, yes, I know Nate technically fights a welter way, but he's really a lightweight fighter. And Jake's like 185. You know what I mean? That's like a 30 pound difference.

You're talking about a lot of power, a lot of difference there. So I said I think Nate's like a five to one underdog. Do I still think Nate Diaz is going to be undersized and probably a little overpowered in that fight? Yes. But now it's a little, it's a little closer, right? Because, you know, Jake got, you know, Jake showed that he doesn't have quite the boxing skills. And Nate is, has always shown to be a pretty decent boxer. I know he's worked with Andre Ward for years and things like that.

So, yeah, fight Nate Diaz. You know, go out and get another big paycheck, come back to the States, maybe do it in Cleveland again. That card they did with Woodley here in Ohio is huge. Or do it, you know, in California where you can get a big crowd out there. Do it, do a big show like that. You win that one, then you do the Fury rematch. You don't do it immediately. You've got to learn a few things before you get back in there and hope to beat Tommy Fury.

Not again, not that Tommy was so leaps and bounds ahead of him, but it was enough to say that Jake still needs to learn a few things before he gets back in there, in my opinion. Casey, what's next? For Jake? For Jake. You can talk about Tommy a little bit after, but I mean, I'm probably for Jake. For Jake. I think, yeah, for Jake, I'm saying this and I have zero interest in it, just, but it's just a fight that seems to make sense.

The freaking, the KSI, the KSI guy. KSI guy. I don't, I don't get KSI. I don't get it. It's not, it's not for me. But obviously, people like. like him and care about him. There seems to be beef. It's a giant step back competition-wise for Jake, but it's not a giant step back. It may be a step forward in terms of how much money

you're going to make. And I know at the end of the day, that's what's most important to these two gentlemen. So I would think KSI. But Nate Diaz, but I agree with what Damon said. The chances, I mean, I always thought I always thought Nate would beat Jake in a boxing match even before what we saw tonight. And maybe that might

entice Nate even more. I'm not sure, actually. I think KSI is the route to go. I threw up a poll. So this is, I think the last poll of this podcast, we're going to get some questions in a second. Who should Jake Paul box next? I put Nate Diaz, KSI. I threw Mike Perry in there. And then other,

leave a comment. So it's pretty early so far. Nate Diaz, 29%, KSI, 38%. Mike Perry, 23%, and other other at nine. So I'm telling people leave there, leave your suggestions. And listen, let's get to the, let's get to some questions here. But you know, go ahead, Casey. Yeah. But actually, I think this is the, the biggest point, actually, that we kind of even haven't touched on. We always kind of, we hear people say in the past, maybe we said it, if Jake Paul loses, the train's done, like the hype train's done. No one's going to. care. Clearly, Jake Paul just lost, and I don't think there's any, there's that much less interest in seeing his next fight. Do you think, or like, is like, is Jake Paul ride done?

No, right? Even though we lost. No, it's, it's not, it's not done. I mean, it takes a hit. I mean, it definitely takes a hit because he did lose to a legitimate boxer now, but no, it doesn't go away because again, there's still, again, you mentioned KSI. That's the other one. If I didn't say, Nate D, as I would agree with you in K. That's still a big fight. Nate Diaz still a big fight. You know what I mean? So no, it's not over if those two. If people are still willing to plunk down 50 bucks or whatever to watch him box KSI or plunk down 50 bucks to watch him fight Nate Diaz, then no, the train's not over. Now, again, if he loses both those fights or he loses one of those in dramatic fashion and gets knocked out, it's a different story. But one split decision lost against the guy who did look like a better boxer than him doesn't end, doesn't end the hype. It just, again, he doesn't get to graduate from this. He doesn't get to graduate from Tommy Fury and then suddenly fight a better boxer. You know, now he's back to where he has to fight Nate Diaz, where he has to fight KSI. He doesn't get to graduate to an actual boxer because a real cruiserweight, like a real cruiserweight would tool him up something fierce.

Because Tommy Fury, Tommy Fury is not there. I think Tommy look good, but Tommy's not there either. And I think Tommy Fury would be the first one to tell you that. He's not ready for a top 10 opponent at cruiserweight. No one's going to lie to you and say that. Is there any chance we might see Tommy Ferry versus Nate Diaz? That would be weird, wouldn't it? I mean, everything about this is anything these guys do is weird,

so I don't know even know why I'm throwing that out there. Yeah, weird. Everything's weird. We need comment. Nate, where are you? No comment from Nate Diaz yet. I guess he probably does not care about this. As I don't know, a lot of the other than May community,

maybe is pretty cool on it. But we'll see how this. Because I think even Nate knows the money was in the Jake Paul fight. And as we mentioned, could still be. Could still be. Because I know we were having discussions in our M.A fighting slack on some people saying they didn't want to see that fight because, you know, Nate Diaz is so much smaller. Damon mentioned how much smaller he is. Jake Paul probably kill him.

But after today, I don't know, that vulnerability maybe makes the fight more appealing. And you know M.A fans, whether Jake Paul is seven and L or six and one, they don't care. They would love to see Nate Diaz get his hands on Jake Paul. it's very much alive. Is this the best way to lose? If Jake Paul, Jake Paul lost tonight, but by losing, is this the best loss you can have? It kind of was. Where he still got a knockdown.

I mean, he landed the hardest shot of the fight. It's also he lost, he lost to a boxer. If he had lost to Nate Diaz, then we might be talking about all this going away. If he loses the KSI, then it all goes away. He lost to a boxer. Tommy Fury kept saying, I'm a real boxer. I come from a boxing family. He has obviously a very famous brother.

You know, so this is this is the best case scenario for Jake Paul because he lost to a boxer. He did not lose to a social influencer. He did not lose to Tyrone Woodley or Ben Astgren or Nate Diaz or Mike Perry or anybody else from the MMA world. He lost to a boxer in a split decision. This is the best case scenario for Jake Paul because, again, if you got knocked up by KSI, it all goes away at that point. then you're losing the influencer battle which is what really matters to people like Jake Paul losing to real boxers expected losing to other YouTubers

content creators influencers And before we go to the questions I want to compliment Jake real quick and just say the dude's tough He can't fight fighting eight rounds Solid eight rounds at a pretty decent pace Against someone like Tommy Fury Is a very admirable athletic feat by him

And so I mean No, he isn't, he's not going to beat Canello. He's not, he's not competitive against Canello. But Jake Paul is a good athlete. And no, and I'll definitely give him that. I'm not, I don't want to trash him too much. I want to, little compliments out there. I'll go as far as it.

He's a real boxer. I think, I think Tommy Fury is a real boxer. I think Jake Paul is a real boxer. But I'm just saying that's a pretty broad label. Jake Paul is a better boxer than anyone that Tommy Fury a spot before? Maybe. I don't know.

I don't know enough about his previous opponents. I know their record, they have a deplorable record. I'm aware, but I don't know. That might be true. But I'm saying. He gave him the best fight. Tommy's the toughest fight. Jake Paul is a real boxer.

Tommy Fury is a real boxer. The guys that Tommy Fury beat up are real boxers. Daniel Polchanski, he's a real boxer. You know, if your record's 24 and whatever, 100, you went in there 124 times. Whatever, I guess it's the combined record of his opponents. All those guys are real boxers. okay there's just degrees to it uh so we know these guys are both robocers neither them particularly great um but we knew that going in i don't think anyone was super

shocked the fight turned out the way it did and it really wasn't like as far as from a drama standpoint it really was a decent watch i don't know if i go uh credit to sean porter throughout the night uh for some of the fights because some of the fights were good but some of the fights like the main event a little lacking technique but sean porter he's the real prints of positivity on the broadcast he's constantly going this is good boxing i don't know i don't know you guys this 50, 50, 50, 50. It's a 50-50 fight. This is good boxing.

And I'm like, Sean Porter, you are doing your job, sir. And you have, listen, you have way more credibility than I ever will in the world of combat sports. So who am I to say that these guys are not good boxers? Because Sean Porter said he was very impressed with what he saw, I guess. So he only criticized the ref, not the boxers. He said, let him go. He said, this ref should be letting him cheat. Let him go.

All right, Casey. Let's get two or three questions in here. Let's move on until the next time we're talking. talking about these characters. Until we get a chance to talk about salt, until we get a chance to talk about Salt Poppy's next fight, you know, so. Oh, okay, we didn't really talk about this. Our man, John, John Ray, asking,

who is next for Tommy Fury? Yeah, we've talked a lot about Jake Paul. I don't know how to answer this, guys. I'm totally leaving this to you because I feel like Jake Paul felt like such a, like a legitimate goal for Tommy Fury. Like, that's the reason he, again, because I don't think, listen, I don't think Tommy Fury is serious. becoming a world champion boxer either.

I know. Shocker. I just don't think, again, he's going to fight as, as we've said, as often as the guy has. He has fought the journeyman that you're supposed to fight. So he's certainly a little closer to that actual boxing path than Jake Paul is. But I still don't think it's in the cards for him. So I don't know, guys. Does he go back to fighting journeymen? I don't see how he can, but I also don't know what is the next level of, like, celebrity boxing for him to go to.

I think he just depends on much money. Damon, go ahead. No, go ahead, go ahead, Casey. I would say it just depends on how much money he wants to make. If he wants to, in the very boxing sportsmen, like just his coaches probably want him to fight whatever, some rando, a really good taxi driver, you know. But if Tommy wants money, then he'll go out and get the Jake Paul rematch

or he'll go out and publicly challenge KSI or Nate Diaz. I mean, that doesn't really make sense, you know, boxing-wise, but paycheck-wise, it makes a lot of sense. So it just depends what Tommy Ferry wants, honestly, and what his bank account wants. Wow. Damon, do you think that's true, think Tommy's calling the shots after that win? Yes and no. I think I'm going to take Tommy at his word, you know, I interviewed Tommy before the fight. I'm going to take Tommy his word and say that he's, you know, really focused on being a real boxer.

And I don't think Tommy is hurting for money. I think this was a big payday. But him and his girlfriend, who were reality show stars. in England both seem to do very well. I know she's got a very successful company in her own right, as does he in terms of money. So I don't think this is going to be a J. I don't think this is going to be like a money grab for him.

I think he is serious about being a boxer. I don't know what that means for him long term. Like can he actually be a champion? I'm not going to go that far. But I don't think he's, I don't, I just unless there's just an absolutely ridiculous payday out there that gets offered to him. I just can't see him being like, yeah, give me KSI.

Give me Nate Diaz. I just don't see that being of interest to Tommy Fury. So his next opponent is his last opponent before Jake Paul was 10 in 1 or 10 and 0, and he had, you know, basically the same kind of bunch of, you know, a bunch of no-name cans on his record. And Tommy beat him, you know, in his last fight before he fought Jake Paul. I think that's probably the next logical step. He'll fight another, you know, 10 and 2, 12 and 4 kind of boxer next step up on an undercard

for when maybe Tyson Fury fights Alexander Usik. or maybe he fights on the undercard of like a Deonté Wilder or Francis Inganu, you know, fights on the undercard there against some guy, like it's not a big name, but he can fight on the undercard of that and get some attention that way. Because I just, again, I'm going to take Tommy Fury at his word that he's serious about boxing, and this was the one guy he would fight in a, you know, influencer kind of fight. I just don't think he's that interested in fighting KSI. I think it's going to be some 12 and 4 cruiserweight, some 10 and 2 cruiserweight on the undercard

of a big fight. His brother, you know, Francis and Gano's boxing debut, he'll do that or, you know, something of that, like a big fight, but he'll be the, he'll be the co-main event. Okay. That's probably more likely, but he will take like one tenth to pay to do that. But he will, like you say, if he's good, if money's good, then. Yeah, I don't think, I don't think, it's his principal concern. I don't think that's his principal concern here. And I don't, because, again, he could, you know, he could probably go out there. Like I said, I think he crushes KSI. But I don't think that I I take him in his word

I don't think that's what he's in this for All right This was really bad I know we spent most of our time Talking about Jake Paul This was really big for Tommy Fury And you could tell he fell When that decision was read

He was that that was not theatrics When he climbed up and just let out onto the You know onto the corner And just let out this primal scream That was like He knew he knew He knew the stakes of losing this fight Or even looking back

I said even if he I said even if he lost Like even if you won a closer decision, like look bad in the fight, I still think it would have been almost a nightmare scenario for Tommy. So the fact that, again, split decision, I still, I think it was pretty convincing for Tommy Fury, even though it was weird point deductions and a knockdown. I still think he clearly looked like the better boxer. So, you know, he got, he had the best possible result. But, Damon, you got to call Queensberry promotions and Frank Welker and all that and tell him make sure that happens because that is the right thing to do. Has he only fought on a Tyson Fury undercard once?

I'm seeing, I know he did the Dillion White, the most recent Dillion White Tyson Fury fight. He was on that card. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, because he fought on the Jake Paul. He fought on the Jake Paul card retired in Cleveland. And he fought on another one undercard like that. So yeah, he's kind of been like the undercard guy of like other fights.

But yeah, I think he's only done on Tyson's. Yeah, I think Tyson only once. I think because a big part of, because a big part of Tommy's career, if I'm not mistaken, took place when Tom, when Tyson was kind of taking a break when he was out for a little while. I think that's when Tommy kind of started was during that little couple three-year run when Tyson was out of it, if I'm not mistaken. But you're right.

That is the way to go. I do think that is the way to go. Yeah. Still marquee, still big fight. Just, you know, that way you can fight another, you know, kind of a quote-unquote, no-name guy, but you're still part of a big card. You're the undercard to Ussick and Fury, which is probably the boxing match. Outside of maybe, you know, Crawford and Spence that I'd be most excited about.

about that's great publicity. Fight on the undercard of your brothers fight card and fight when he fights Alexander Usik. That's great. Or I joked about Wilder and Inganu. But seriously, like, go be the undercard when Inganu debuts. You know, then people are going to watch for that and they're going to see Tommy Fury fight, even if you don't know who your opponent is. That is a solid game plan.

Yeah. Tommy Fury, I tell you, I didn't think I'd be wondering what's next for him, but it wasn't a bad performance today at all. It wasn't a bad win for him. But my people say it was a, it was a, people might say it was a great win. I don't know if I'd go that far. But Casey, what else we got in the question pipe? Oh, but real quick, we didn't even say who's thanks for Tommy Fury, Jake Paul.

Well, I mean, I think assuming if that rematch doesn't happen, if for some reason that But what's the smartest? Is that? Well, for him? Just fight Jake Paul again. Yes, 100%. Yeah. Tommy should just be trying to make that fight happen again.

Was it then that's, I think that's the answer then like, like, on. Honestly. All right. One more question. Pro fights info wants to know. If Jake loses his next fight, is this boxing run over? Can he get one more payday out of it? I'll say first he can lose as many fights he wants.

He can get a ton of paydays in boxing. But I mean, is it, are we going to start seeing serious diminishing returns if he loses and loses again and loses again? Yeah, it's definitely not over. One more loss is not over, especially if it's Tommy Fury again and he loses twice to Tommy Fury. I actually think that's better than him, like, moving on to another fight and losing. I think it's like, okay, this guy beat me, whatever.

We're just going our separate ways. Yeah. But I think he has more than one paid out of it. Am I crazy guys? I think he can. I think the other question is, does he – will he want to stick around if the losses start to pile up? I don't know. Casey?

Oh, I'm assuming if he loses his next fight, I'm assuming it not being Tommy Fury, say it's an influence. or an MMA fighter, Mike Perry. It's called Mike Perry. If he's his boxing run over. I think it would be, I think it would take a hiatus because we will, we will see him in a cage if he loses his next box. Right. Right. The PFL, we got the PFL looming.

I want to say, I want to say it's over, but yeah. Damis? Yeah, I think it depends on who he loses too. If he loses to Tommy Fury again, then there's still KSI. There's still Nate Diaz. there's still fights of interest. If he loses to Nate Diaz or KSI, I won't say it's over, but it's, you know, it's hanging on by a very, very fine thread.

Because, you know, like I said, losing to Tommy Fury is not a terrible loss. Losing to KSI is a terrible loss. Losing to Nate Diaz who has zero boxing matches on his resume and is 30 pounds undersized, that's a bad loss. So again, it depends on who he loses too. If he loses to Tommy Fury again and he puts on a great performance and it's another split decision, he can still come back and get a big paycheck from one of the other guys.

If he gets knocked out by KSI, I would say it's effectively over. Yeah. And again, I think a lot of is driven so much by want. Will he want to keep doing this? Because as much as he loves it, everybody loves these kinds of things when you're winning. When you're winning. And listen, he handled the loss very well after, made a bit of an excuse. classic sort of, you know, combat sports guy excuse.

Like, I'm not making excuses, but my arm was kind of messed up. But I only have one lung. I only have one lung. Oh, yeah, my arm is broken. Yeah. But other than mentioning all that stuff, which again, is pretty standard and I guess expected. And again, this is in the moment. This is a live interview.

You've got a lot going to your mind. You're probably just going to want to say something to sort of excuse your loss. There was a lot of all the respect to Time Fury, judge me by my, you know, some epithets, judge me by my losses, not by my wins. He's saying all the right things. He's saying all the right things out of a guy who lost. He doesn't sound like a guy who was discouraged by his first boxing loss. If you were just basing this on, oh, I'm just watching this interview.

It sounds he's getting right back on the saddle. I don't know if that's the case Monday morning, but there's certainly reason to believe that he is willing to fight a few more times and, you know, find some more worthy opponents that'll help him keep making money. I do think Jake Paul will become a better boxer or athlete after this loss. I do think this is the proper, I don't know, we got Humble Pie, he had to eat or whatever. I do feel that, though.

Yeah, the next time we will see him, I think he will be better. I don't know if he'll beat Tom, if he does rematch of Tommy, I don't know if he beats Tommy, because now Tommy knows what to expect too. But, yeah, Jake, I think, yeah, you're right. I did like way Jake handled the loss.

It sounds weird to say this, and I know I said earlier, but he got he got outboxed. And that's where he was in a boxing match, but he got out boxed. And that's really, this is, this is a fight that should serve as a,

as a learning lesson for Jake that he's not there yet. You know what I mean? Like he got by on, on some, you know, on some decent skills and, and a great right hand early in his fights. And he did beat Anderson Silva.

He did knock out Tyre Woodland. He knocked out Ben Asker. All those things are true. But he just got out box tonight. So this should be the lesson that he needs to go back to the gym and learn, learn how to, learn how to properly throw a jab. Learn how to properly set up your combinations.

Learn how to cut off the ring in ways that he didn't really have to do against Tyron Woodley. In a way he didn't really have to do against Anderson Sylvie, even. These are little things that were the difference. Because, again, he didn't get blown out of the water. He didn't get dominated. He just lost a close decision. He just, again, he got outboxed. Casey, can we grab one more question here from Infinite Nick?

What's going on with Jake's fighter union now, not a word of it lately. And I'll kind of, I'll just kind of extrapolate from that question, like, do we think that this loss, do we think this result is going to change his tune a little bit? Not to say that he was necessarily, you know, not genuine about it. But I think this whole, I'm fighting for fighters' rights thing, has been a big part of his combat sports journey, a big part of him sort of building up his fights. Like, I'm a fighter for the people.

I'm a fighter for the fighters. I think already when he signed with the PFL, that kind of muddies the waters. I think once you align yourself with one. Because a fighter's union, we got to remember, we talk about it and we mentioned it with the UFC all the time. A fighter's union, it's not just for the UFC. It should be for everybody. It should affect every promotion. So when you align yourself with one promotion, for me, that muddies the waters.

But just talking about this event specifically, we'll close on this. Damon, what do you think? Is he going to keep in the downtime between this and his next fight? Are we going to hear more about this? Because, oh, look, the Tommy Fury drama is out of the way. Now he can get back to the real fight, the fight outside of the ring, the fight outside of the ring, the fight outside of the cage, or is it going to be really quiet on all fronts? Well, you're 110% correct, AKA that it got real quiet when he signed with the PFL.

I think that's really the key there. Will we hear about it? Yes. You know, at some point, someone's going to ask Dana White about Jake Paul and, you know, maybe Dana will take a victory lap and, you know, make fun of Jake Paul and that will re-ignite the feud with them and he'll do on a crazy rant about fighter pay or whatever. And again, ranting about it is great. but is he actually going to do this whole fighters union?

We haven't seen much of it, and the sign with PFL really does kind of put you in murky waters at that point, because now you are aligned with the promotion, whose job it is to make money off the fighters. You are no longer just an advocate for the fighters. You are now working for the promotion, which, again, that's, you know, that's like, that would be like the head of the NFL Players Association,

the MLB Players Association, also taking a paycheck for Major League Baseball. That's conflict and interest in and of itself. So the fact that he's now getting paid by PFL or working with PFL or owns equity in PFL certainly takes away some of the, some of the goodwill he had built up that he's really this advocate for the fighter. So he'll talk about it. Will he actually do anything about it? That's a whole other story. Casey? All right.

Let me throw this. Thank you, Damon. Let me end the poll we have here. Who should Jake Paul Box next? Pretty strong case for KSI, 40%. where did I put that 40% for KSI and actually a split really between Nate Diaz Mike Perry 26% Nate 20% Mike Perry 10% other that could be any number of people so yeah that's it for the poll Casey any other questions you want to grab or should we should we wrap this bad boy I am ready to wrap all right thank you everyone I have to prepare myself emotionally for the last of us episode tonight I was going to say for like for yourself emotionally for a combat sports event we have coming up next Saturday which will have plenty to talk about.

Tune in this week, guys, for all kinds of podcasts. Damien, will we have a Fighter versus Writer this week? Oh, yes. I'm actually recording tomorrow with myself and Matt Brown and Anthony Smith.

We're going to have a trio on the show. So we'll have a Fighter versus Writer with Matt Brown, Anthony Smith, this week. I'm sure you guys will talk about the... Anthony Smith, I'm sure will have something to say

about the returning John Jones. He does know the man well. We'll have heck of a morning. We'll have between the links. We'll have preview shows and everything. So, guys, get ready for that. You can put... We're putting a bow on the show.

We're putting a bow for now on the Jake Paul Tommy Fury rivalry. Yes, they're probably going to rematch. Can I play the music? Can I play the music? Please, yes, please, please. But yes, look forward to guys to all the UFC 285 coverage we're going to have coming this week. And the future Jake Paul and or Tommy Fury coverage that's coming your way. But thank you everyone for who tuned in.

We had a lot of live viewership. People, listen, we're going to. Why are you MMA fans so interested in this? Don't say that. Why? Stop it. We had a UFC card. Stop it, guys.

Thank you for tuning to win, whoever you are. How can we possibly go from Tommy Fury and Jake Paul to John Jones? I mean, geez, what a switch that is. Whether you're a hardcore MMA fan or you're a casual, you're just coming in when you just popped up on your YouTube suggestions. Thank you, everyone who tuned in today and watching. It's been a really fun show. Thank you, Damon.

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