MMA Fighting - Jake Paul vs. Tyron Woodley Post-Fight Show

Episode Date: August 30, 2021

With Showtime’s big summer boxing event in the books, MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck, Shaun Al-Shatti, Jose Youngs and Jed Meshew react to Sunday night’s fight card, more specifically the main event which saw Jake Paul remain undefeated when he earned a split decision win over former UFC welterweight champion Tyron Woodley.  Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Shaun Al-Shatti: @shaunalshatti Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Insurance, investments, advice. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Hey, we're live, pal. We sure are. And boy, do we have a lot to talk about. Because earlier to this evening, in Cleveland, Ohio, we saw Jake Paul versus Tyrone Woodley, the boxing match. It finally happened.

Showtime pay-per-view. In the end, it was a split decision win for Jake Paul. We're going to talk about the scoring and so much more. But before we do that, I am Mike Eck. We have Jed Mishu, and I know half the reason you're all here is to hear whether or not Jed Mishu will have a job tomorrow morning when he fires off his takes. We also have Sean Al Shani, and we have Jose Young's on the ones and two. So, Sean, let us begin with you. How did you score this fight?

Because two judges scored it for Jake Paul. The scoring was all over the place, and then one judge dared to be bold and scored it for Tyron Woodley. How did you score it? I mean, how is that even a – I scored it for Jake Paul. The fact that that's even a discussion is absurd to me. I know you scored a draw over there, Jed. I see you. But it was six two for Jake Paul in my eyes.

Tyrone Woodley did a whole lot of nothing for long stretches of the fight as we've seen him do in the past. It was immensely frustrating. And it just is another reminder of why this guy is one of the most frustrating fighters that you'll ever watch in your life. Just the way he treats punches almost as if they are a limited currency and that, you know, he doesn't want to use them all up. early on in the fight. It's very frustrating to watch. But there were moments. He had his moments, but it was just too much passive Tyron Woodley. So, yeah, I scored at 6-2 for Jake Paul. How did you score, Jose? What was your scorecard reading?

6-2 for Jake Paul. Don't remember the exact scorecards. I just know, I believe I'm pretty confident. I had Jake Paul 3-0, and then Tyner-Woodley clearly won round 4, and then round 5, I think, was 50-50. and then after that it was just Jake Paul just jabbing Tyron Woodley to death and Tyron Woodley being allergic to throwing punches. I scored it 7 to 1 for Jake Paul. I gave Woodley obviously the fourth, but I gave, I think the eighth round was the most contentious

amongst a lot of people. A lot of people scored it for Tyron. I scored it for Jake, but I mean, it is what it is. 6-2, I'm fine with 7-1, but the draw, Jedvisu, the draw. Explain yourself for those who missed it. Look, Tyron Woodley won. obviously one round four.

I gave him round five, maybe in part because, like, he won round four by so much more than anybody else won a round. He gets some holdover in the round five, and he won round eight, and I gave him seven, too. Like, my whole thing is, I just don't think Jake Paul did a lot at the end of the, like, in the back half of the fight. He landed more punches, but most of them I didn't feel were very effective, and sure, Woodley didn't do a lot. But the punches he did land, I just thought were better.

so I scored some rounds for him. Phil Rogers was kind of on your wavelength. He scored the last five rounds, all of them for Tyrone Woodley. Every one of them, rounds four through eight, all for Tyrone Woodley. Crazy. That would have been the most delicious MMA thing ever to just, like, for Tyrant to win a totally undeserved, totally egregious, just terrible decision. Like, that would have been really appropriate in a lot of ways.

Like, I would have kind of enjoyed that. That would have been the most shocking thing in the world. Like, we talked about, like, crazy ways the fights could end or, you know, what would be the most satisfying way for this fight to end? But the, like, most unpredictable way for the fight to end would be go to a decision and have Tyrone Woodley win the decision. No one would have saw that coming. Nobody. I just love that, like, so this is inside baseball, but I love that Jed's chaos agent type scoring is, like, actually representative of the whole website. is he does the live scoring for a way fighting.

So like the other than the official score. It's as if we all scored it a draw, even though no one else in the world did other than this man. I love it. I absolutely love it. Oh, I am not alone. There are a lot of people who randomly thought Tyron Woodley won, which he did.

He won in pride rules. Let's be clear. But a lot of people were like that. And a lot of people also could easily, like, saw that it could have been scored that. It was really, neither fighter made a clear, like really pulled the way in my opinion Jose were you entertained by this fight

can we use that word was this an entertaining fight or was it more the build than this was just the payoff was just part of a pretty strategic build that that worked pretty well honestly bill did nothing for me at all the tattoo bet was fun I didn't really care a lot about the drama and the nonsense and everything Jake Paul is a very

popular individual among a very civic demographic he is every definition of the word prize fighter and i think people forget about the word prize when when talking about prize fighting uh i didn't i was entertained in the sense that when the when they walked to the ring i was at some points at the edge of my seat i was enthralled by this spectacle i was very curious to see how jake paul would do because i think we were all confident that tyrant woodley would not be knocked out in the first or second round like Jake Paul's previous opponents. So I was very curious, I should say about, because I had a lot of questions about Jake Paul, because in our preview show, I told AK and Casey that we, obviously,

us as punons, had a lot more data and footage on Tyron Woodley, which is why I picked Tyrone Woodley to win, because I didn't know anything about Jake Paul outside of fighting a bunch of people that aren't strikers and him just sleeping them within two rounds. So I was very curious about this fight. I didn't hate this fight at all. I think the narrative that you should be ashamed. for watching this fight. I think that's silly. You can just watch it and have fun on a sun. What else are you going to do on a Sunday night in August? Like have a silly goose time watching a circus. So, and that's what it was. So don't be ashamed about watching this fight. But I had questions about Jake Paul, whether he could survive eight rounds. And he did. He was clearly

exhausted. So I hope he rectifies that if he wants to pursue more of a boxing career and fight actual boxers rather than MMA people just making the crossover. Did Jake Paul answer your question, Sean? did he sort of pass that litmus to the eyeball test, like for what it is. I mean, he's four and oh. We have to accept this for what it is. But in terms of like having some, some gusto, some heart as a fighter, were you impressed tonight? Did he answer my questions?

I can't honestly say I've ever had a real question about Jake Paul. I don't know that I think about it that much to actually like come up with a question. But I mean, I'll have to disagree with Jose in one sense. Like it did. I feel like he says the lead up didn't do anything for him. him, I will admit, I got sucked in. I absolutely got sucked in. When this fight got booked, I remember actually that day we did a podcast and I went on a

rant about how this is going to be so bad for Tyron Woodley. And he's going to lose this fight and it's going to be embarrassing. But then somehow over the course of this whole lead up, the way Tyron was treating this, all the back and force that they had, the one-on-one they had with our pal Ariel Halwani where they were against across each other from the table, all of it. I've really, they got me, man. Like I got sucked in. I started to believe.

I came into tonight really like, oh, man, like Tyron might actually do this. Like he might actually come in here surprise me. It had a big fight feel, especially during the opening few rounds and the walkouts and all of that. Like it genuinely felt like a big moment that mattered. Maybe that didn't last. Maybe that feeling faded pretty quickly. But they sucked me in, man.

I mean, ultimately, I think this result is probably what most people expected. Most of us expected in particular. But, I mean, did Jake Paul answer any questions? No. I mean, it's impressive to beat Tyron Woodley in a fight. even if it is a limited fight at any capacity for someone who's only been doing this for a few years. But, I mean, again, it's not like Jake Paul's a good boxer, right? Like, there are plenty of boxers that would do work on Jake Paul.

So I don't know that he answered much for me, but they did suck me in. I will say that. Jed, it's time for you to reveal the what's next, all right? Because we like to talk about where he goes from here and there's talk about maybe a rematch. If Tyrant gets the tattoo, there's the Tommy Fury idea. you don't like that idea at all. And then there's Connor salivating over a lobster dinner that he probably enjoyed. And then there's Nate Diaz.

And everybody's all, everybody's going to want a shot at this. Everybody from MMA is going to want a piece of this pie if they can get it. But you seem to have the perfect answer. You said I have the perfect answer. What is it? I've got it. Look, let's be clear. The Tommy Fury is a terrible idea.

He would get killed by Tommy Fury and Tommy Fury looked bad. But you know that that's true because of the way. that Jake Paul's manager, like, entirely dismissed the potential of a Tommy Fury. Like, no, we're not doing that. He's beneath us. We don't want those problems. All right. Here's what you're looking for.

Jake Paul has made an advance up the rank every time to something more challenging. So what you need is somebody who you can sell as more challenging than Tyron Woodley. But frankly, he can't be, can't actually be more challenging than Woodley because he will lose. if he fights anybody, even a modickel of an improvement on Woodley. But a clear narrative. And he just needs to be an MMA fight. He can't fight a boxer. Any boxer can beat him.

It's Tito Ortiz. Tito can't punch for shit. He has a, as I mentioned before, he has a big melon head that makes a great target. Instead of the Woodley narrative of, oh, well, Tyler Woodley is too small for Jake Paul, then you have the, well, look, I'm moving up. I'm fighting a former light heavyweight champion, one of the last. the greatest of all time, even though Woodley punches harder than Tito Ortiz, I think it's it. Because he's going to beat Tito Ortiz. Tito sucks and can't box. Tito's about to get tooled up by

Anderson Silva. If I'm Tito Ortiz, I am not fighting Anderson Silva because I'm going to go get the guy with Jake Paul, because that is very clearly the best next option for him. Sean, what are your thoughts of this? Is there a worse build to a fight? What do you mean? What do you mean? What? What do you mean? What? My thoughts are that's ridiculous and terrible. I don't want to see that. Although the one-on-one across the table of Titor-R-Tor-T. How is that ridiculous?

The Tito-R-Tis of Jake Paul oppressors and whatever would be the worst things in the hit. My eyes would bleed from just listening to that and watching it. Because Tito is ridiculous because Tito is about to get just totally embarrassed by Anderson Silva, like next month. Yeah. Just don't do that fight at all. Like don't even sort of do that. You're going to lose Tito. You're still going to lose to Jake Paul, but you lose for a lot.

lot more money. I will say every time we do this, it makes to me only more impressive to me like what Anderson Silva actually did earlier this year. And like I understand all the qualifications you could put on Cesar Stravis Jr. But like altogether you put Anderson out there at his age and sort of his experience and all of this. Like the fact that he was able to look that good and that comfortable in a boxing ring against anybody, all of these times we do this. It just makes it more impressive to me. But I mean, no, no Tito Ortiz versus Jake Paul. I say no. Yeah. Like, Like Anderson Silva like looks like a boxer. Like he moves like a boxer.

He looks like a boxer. Like Tired Woodley had his moments. And I gave him a lot of credit for going eight rounds, Jake Paul. But when he came out and he threw that first punch and then he got into his defensive stance, I was like, oh boy, this is not going to go well. It worked. It worked. It kept him in the fight. But I mean, Anderson just looks like a boxer.

He's the only one I've seen who actually looks like he can box. And it's pretty impressive. What do we do next with Jake Paul, Jose? Have we even thought that far? Are we still on tonight? I mean, if Anderson Silva beats Tito Ortiz, he is much more closer to Jake Paul's weight class than Tito Ortiz. Because let's not forget, Tito Ortiz and Anderson Silva have to fight 195 pounds.

Tito Ortiz has already made all the excuses that he hasn't made weight, and he hasn't even weighed in yet. So if he's going to fight anyone out of those two in this fictional world, because, again, Tito Ortiz isn't going to pull out that fight? because he desperately wants to fight on the 20th anniversary of September 11th, because that's what everyone wants to do on that day is to watch a bunch of old men fist fight. He wants to stay on that card. So he's going to stay on that card and fight Andrew Silva and lose.

And then it's also a trailer fight. So I'm sure some more Tom Fulier will happen. I have absolutely no idea who he's going to fight. I can't think of a single name that is obvious to me. I don't hate the Tyron Woodley rematch, especially if there is a ridiculous tattoo bet. If Tyne Willie gets I love Jake Paul tattooed on him and he's that desperate for another big paycheck, why not? I think that was a very bad look, but I am all for ridiculous tattoo beds. It was embarrassing. It was very embarrassing. But I like that. I think tattoo beds are silly and I love them.

But I like like Jed said, that was already happening before he that was already in the works before. They brought the tattoo artists out to the wayans. And as soon as Jake Paul said, I'll rematch you. get the tattoo and he said, yep. I'm like, oh, no, that was not, that was embarrassing. That is just, that is the worst thing you could have said it right there. But I'm all in favor of ridiculous tattoos. Tattoo, so I, but I can't think of a single obvious name that stands out for me to fight Jake Ball because everyone we want to see in a fight is tied up in the UFC. Mazurdaal, Diaz, Connor, all of these guys. It's not going to happen. So I have absolutely no idea. Are you so like, like Sean Tyrod Willie should have been wheeled out in a tattoo chair,

like getting that tattooed doing his press. conference. Like if there's any chance he gets this rematch, if that's the only way he even has a shot at it, like you should already have ink to body right now. Should he not? Sure, sure. I mean, if you're Tyrant, and that's the option that's available to you, like you take it because this is probably going to be an insane payday for him. And I'm sure the next one will be probably a way less significant payday, but still pretty fairly significant. But altogether, man, I didn't, I didn't like all that. I really didn't like all that. I get why Tyron was was acting that way. but to me it was just, it's a bad look, man.

Like to see him so, like, begging in there almost and sort of begging for this rematch and agreeing to do something so degrading just to, like, get this opportunity from this kid who probably's not going to give it to him anyway. Like, it was deeply embarrassing to me. Maybe that's just me, but I don't know, man. I thought it was a terrible look. I get it, though. Yeah, it's just part of the crazy story.

Jed, why are you shaking your head? Why? Because dignity don't pay bills. I don't get it. Like a lot of, you're not alone. Like a lot of people were very off put that there's like, one, I'm not going to remember this in three months time because I'm not going to remember anything about tonight. Tonight is very unmemorable.

But like, who gives two poops about pride? Get that bag because money's real and you can buy stuff with it. Sure, but I think we all know that's not a real bag, right? Like that's not, I would be stunned if this remit. match happened because there's not really any point to it for Jake Paul other than like, huh, look at that dude has this tattoo. Like that's the only real upside for him doing this. Otherwise, there's no point of him actually doing it. It just feels like him just playing with Tyrone Woodley's emotions in a moment like this. And I don't know, it was tough to watch. I mean,

Tyrone Woodley's like a top five welterweight of all time. This is a guy who just a few years ago was like one of the most respected guys in the sport. And it's just to watch that him sort of playing that out in real time was just tough. Yeah, no, I guess that's where we disagree. I think this fight makes all the sense in the world for Jake Paul. I'd surprise the Paul brothers were, like, very against it out of the gate, because he needs to keep fighting. Like, we all know the end goal.

It's a Connor McGregor fight, but that can't happen for probably two years. With Connor's injury, the fact, he's still tied up with the UFC. There's no, like, Jose said it. Like, who else is there for him to fight? Tito Ortiz makes a lot of sense. You're all haters. Okay. If he's right to Anderson, Sylvie, he's going to get his ass beat.

So, like, he can't fight Anderson Silva, and he can't fight Dylan Danis. One, it's a step down, and two, you only do a Dylan Danis fight when it's the fight to set up Connor. If he wants to fight again in the next two years, really after that fight, like, he really runs the risk of getting beat. And then that hurts a – it doesn't kill, but it does hurt a future fight with Connor. All of this is to build up to Connor. Running it back with Tyron Woodley is – that's a pretty safe fight, honestly. we'll see what happens he says you're going to take a little bit of a break and i don't think that's a bad idea for jake paul take a little breather see what what the world looks like in six eight six to eight

months and then make your decision maybe it is tito maybe tito just knocks out anderson sylva and pulls up the craziest feet ever and then maybe that fight makes more sense but we'll see what happens um while there's like a lot of negative around this card and like some of the things that happen. I will say it gave the opportunity to some other fighters to shine. I thought Montana Love was the MVP of the night. I thought he was the MVP of the night, not just because of the gear and what he looked like and just the just the swaggy had. But man, he looked sensational in there. That was a great fight and a great finish. He looked awesome. What do you think, Sean? What did you think of Montana Love and just the undercard in general? Like what really stuck out to you? I'm not going to

I can't say I was watching it very closely. I was working on a couple different things simultaneously. But the love fight was fantastic. That was the one fight of the whole night that sort of drew my attention away from what I was doing and I was really glued to that. Because you're right, that thing was wild. That thing was really fun. And I coming away, like, I'm a boxing fan, but I'm not like a real boxing fan. I kind of come and go with it. So like that was one of my first real introductions to this guy. And it's like now I'm interested to see him fight again. That's what you want to do when you're on this type of spot where it's a big card and you're sort of getting this opportunity in front all these eyeballs.

Yeah, I think, Jed, I know you're a Montana love guy. I believe your exact words was, Love is the most stylish man I've ever seen. So he kind of got the Taylor Starling BKFC 19 rub. Is that accurate? Oh, yeah. He could have fought.

His fight could have been terrible. He still would have been the MVP just for that walkout alone. I mean, the fit on that man was unbelievable. But then he also turned in the best performance of the night in the best fight of the night. like Montana Love is easily easily the MVP of this card and if we're being honest really the only I'm not trying to hate on it if you like tonight's card good for you I'm glad you got your money's worth this card was really not enjoyable after the fact and I was kind

of interested in it but the one thing that I was good was Montana Love like that fight with Ivan I'm going to butcher the last name so I won't even say it like that was a really good fight. That was a really good fight. The heavyweight fight was great, too. Daniel Dubois, Joe Guzumano, did exactly what was. What did you expect?

What did you expect? The fight was going to end with the first round and it ended in the first round with hams. I don't tend to go to slaughterhouses, so I wouldn't qualify that as great. But we, everybody has different tastes, Mike. It's a good old boxing squash match. This happens all the time.

There you go. Exactly. WWF superstars from 1991 all over again. Should we go to the, the peeps, Jose? What do you think? Let's go to the peeps. A lot of people... A lot of people... A lot of people arguing about scorecards, but most people seem to agree that Jake Paul won.

Well, he did. You did win. Yes. Well, what did you guys think of while I look for questions? What do you guys think of me? They pulled up that stat and it was like 56% of Twitter or something that thought Tyron Woodley won. They showed that on the broadcast. I thought that was absolutely... 58, right? That just means 58%. That just means 58% of people don't like Jake Paul who are voting in that poll. That's all it is. I think really it just means that most of the people who watch that don't have any idea about boxing.

That's also fair. If you just scored as a fight, Tyron Woodley won. He did the most impressive thing. He won the fight. That's actually fair. I had two different people text me who aren't fight fans towards the latter stage of the fight of like, dude, Tyron Woodley's totally going to win this, right? It's like, I don't know what you're watching.

My guy, I love you. but I don't know about that. Yeah, I learned from, from Angelo Reyes, who was like a boxing striking coach. He was a striking coach for Frank Meere for a long time, and he taught me about, like, scoring a boxing. Did he message you on Facebook eight times a day, too, back in the day? Mine was, like, 85 times a day.

Yeah, yeah. But tremendous insight on, like, how boxing is scored and what judges see and just things you don't really think about. So the way I view boxing is much different than it was like five years ago. But yeah. Man in Black, Paul was gassed. Tyron was tyrant. And on X, Tommy could only go four rounds without gassing out.

He would have been, he would have to be carried out in a stretcher if you try to go eight rounds with Jake. Okay. Jake Paul played hell with the dude who was substantially smaller than him and can't box. Tommy's very not good. I've said it several times. this evening. I don't think he's going to be a good boxer, but he has a modicum of boxing skill and is enormous. He would beat Jake Ball. Dude, he's only 20, what is he, 22? 22 years old? Yeah, I mean, he's got plenty of time.

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But I think for something like that, his price tag's going to increase hell more. That probably is the next one, if we're being honest. Jake's... Nate's got to fight his contract out first. Yeah, but... One fight? Fight Mazadol? Call it.

Vicente Lucca is just standing there waiting for it. I think that's one too. I think that's the fight. I think that's the fight. I said when they booked the Leon Edwards fight, I think Nate Diaz is just doing the Benson-Henerson, Anthony Pettus route, and just trying to fight his contract out with at least some sort of interesting fight. And it's like, say he beats Leon Edwards, then he could fight for a title.

But I don't think he's shooting for that UFC championship anytime soon. Yeah. I want to see Nate fight Daniel Rodriguez, just because those two guys. I like that fight as a fight. it's never going to happen. I know. I just want to see Ariel sitting in a room with both of those guys and talk about being about that life.

That'd be a fascinating conversation with those two guys. Why not do Floyd versus Jake Paul? I mean, it feels like they're working their way around to that, right? Like that that's still a couple steps away here, but that ultimately they want to kind of close that circle and do that, right? I think if Floyd had beaten Logan or. quote unquote beat Logan in their exhibition match probably because I think didn't Floyd say he was down to fight Jake too but then immediately after said he's

probably not going to fight ever again so mix mixed signals from Floyd Mayweather yeah I agree with with Jose I think had that fight gone a little better for Floyd he still obviously won but I think that probably killed any thought there from as far as I can tell you could tell like you could tell like Logan still trying to plant seeds. Yeah. I busted his eardrum. I retired him.

So maybe, I don't know, they're trying. They're clearly trying. Logan's just out there. He's pulling a Kevin Lee and just saying stuff. Yeah. Logan Paul should have jumped all in on that Tyron Woodley thing, by the way,

but he didn't. And he made a big blunder. And Tyre tried to pivot to Logan after Jake said, hell no, I'm not fighting you again. What's the point? Jake's way too big for Connor. It really doesn't make sense.

So I want to address this one specifically. because at the post-fight press conference, Jake Paul just kept crapping all over Conner's like, he's like, I'm bigger than him, I'm younger than him, I hate harder than him, Connor sucks. I'm like, you are not selling me on this fight at all.

Like it's, I'd never understood the trash talk where an opponent says you suck. Because then if you beat him, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on,

and I understand in 2021, opinions mean the other person is wrong, but I'm saying Jose Young's doesn't like it. And then I don't, I've never understood it. in my entire life. If someone says, this guy's terrible, this guy's small, this guy sucks, and then you go out there and smack him up, I'm like, yeah, you said, yeah,

you just beat up a small guy that sucks. But if you say this guy is great and then you go out there and smack him up, then you beat a guy that's great. In my opinion, I've never understood that sort of argument or sort of trash talk whatsoever. Sean obviously disagrees. He can tell me why, but me, Jose Young's, the Year of Our Lord, 2021, has never understood that type of trash talking. I'll tell you why I disagree.

It's because those words weren't meant for us. Those quotes weren't meant for us. Those are a little bait that he's throwing in the water. Just trying to frustrate Connor and get Connor pissed off. That's it. Just trying to make Connor mad and make Connor more willing to actually accept that fight eventually. He will accept it 100%. I feel like tonight absolutely makes that much more likely that fight's going to eventually happen at some point.

I feel like that fight was always happening. It's just a matter of time. Yeah. Man, hey, I'll give it to you. called this like months and months ago but i absolutely think you're you're starting to be right now i feel like it's not very far off to be honest well connor's three inch on jack when i don't know how he's got left on it never he's done with his contract he's not in the ufc ever again he's boxing well i i had said for a while i think connor had been planting these seeds for fights that would

generate interest but aren't championship fights i remember he had that weird beef with paul felder And then he's still calling out, Rafael Dosagnos. I think Connor wants to kind of plow through these fights too. But he wants to at least draw interest in the fight and not just fight to fight. He wants to have some sort of storyline in there. And then I've been saying this for a while. I think Nate Diaz and Connor fight a third time outside the UFC and make a buttload of money.

I think that's what they want to do. But I don't think the UFC wants them to do that. You can see that. Connor is going to fight. Connor was going to fight Diego. Do you want to fight Diego? Right. Exactly. He wants to fight guys that he's at least had some sort of issue with, but it won't be a championship.

That'll tie him up. And then he can fight out his contract to do his whole thing. He can actually beat Diego, so, you know, that's good for him. Jake versus C. M. Punk. Jake Paul versus Tyrone Willey 2. Logan Paul versus Tommy Fury. Same card on Christmas Day. Yeah, he killed. The gift that keeps on giving. Christmas Day. Old school. Old school like pro wrestling. some Starcade action.

Jake is definitely trying to bait Connor. Time will tell if it works. I think it'll work eventually. He's not trying to bait him because he doesn't have to bait him. Connor wants the fight because it's the goal of prize fighting, as has been eloquently established time and again in the last few years, is you want to get the most money for the easiest fight. Like that is the whole reason,

Kumar Usman Remed Story, Mastopol. immediately after beating them. It's the same thing. Like, Connor can get the most money and it is the easiest fight from. I don't know that he beats Jake Paul, but like things aren't going so hot for him in M.M.A. right now.

So it's just a way better option. I have to bait anything. Knowing Woodley, what did fans expect? I think he exceeded expectations. Sean, did Tyrone Woodley exceed your expectations? No. No. No.

He was Tyron Woodley. He was genuinely just Tyron Woodley out there for long, long stretches where you could even see it a couple times early on where he was like trying to do that thing where he puts his back up against the fence. But he did it with the ropes. And he's like, oh, this isn't really the same thing. And then he didn't kind of stop doing that. But he even went back to it, like early on. He was absolutely just being Tyron Woodley. And again, fighting like he's allergic to throwing punches for long spurts.

And it's the most frustrating thing to watch sometimes. I will say on this, I was very like, watching. watching the fight, Jake Paul's coaches clearly scouted Tyron Woodley. They did not fought like what, like what Sean said when Tyron like backed up a few times because his whole UFC career, that's what he did. He would kind of back up and then like lunge at you with that overhand right. Every time Tyne Woodley did that, Jake Paul never bit at all. He just stayed back and there were points where they were like feet apart because Jake Paul did not push forward. He made Tyne Woodley has never been a guy to lead the day.

in a fight. He's always a counter guy. And Jake Paul completely took him out of that and made him walk towards him and Tyrant had nothing for it. And Jake Paul just threw a jab and even when he was exhausted, I saw a couple boxing reporters say when a fighter in the later rounds just relies on a jab, they are clearly exhausted, but they want to make it look like they are still in the fight, if that makes sense. Because a jab is like, you can just kind of throw it out there. So he's throwing a jab out there because he's tired and Tyrant just is walking into it. he's not even getting hurt he's just walking into this punch so i was very impressed with jake paul's game plan anything that jenn i jose nailed it like i jake paul is really prepared

uh i wasn't impressed or depressed by tyon ludley it looked a lot like tyrantwoodly fighting a day like i mean john he just has hope and he hopes that at some point tony woodley's going to realize that he's in a fight but he never never does, he just forgets that he's supposed to be harming an individual in front of him, and he doesn't ever do it. And that's fine. Like, Tyrone would have a really great run, and we can't take that away from him. No.

And if he cared, like, if not cared, because cared isn't the right word, if he could get his mentality just up any amount, he would have won that fight. Like, the commentary team said it the whole time. Every time he jabs and then punches, he's landing. But instead he was just winging a big right hand from 500 feet away And Jake Paul was able to be like I'm gonna go over here now Yeah, I I tweeted this like if I can see Jake Paul's if I could see Tyne Woodley's attacks I know Jake Paul can see it he was like jab jab over Henright

Jab jab over Henright and he's like six feet away just wasn't wasn't happening Yeah it's dude he threw when when they hit the stab that time would be through six punches in the first round I was just like, yeah. I was like, that's text from Tyron Woodley. And then here's the, I'll change my mind. I'm disappointed in Tyne Woodley. Not his performance, because I totally anticipated that. But his post-fight press conference, well, I clearly won and did all these great things.

Like, no, you didn't. You may be won. It super wasn't clear. And you fought terribly. And when somebody asked you point blank, would you, like, would you, like, like increase your volume. No, I think I want to, come on, man. Like, you threw six punches in the opening round.

What the hell are you doing? There was like three minutes in five seconds where MMA fans around the world had hope, but he cracked him at the end of the third round. That was a hard shot. And then cracked him in the fourth. But a lot of people miss this, because I said that Jake landed some decent shots too.

Tyrant almost knocked Jake out of the ring. no doubt about it the ropes held him up but like maybe 30 seconds later jake landed a big shot too a big right hand and tyrant's like face like ended up in jake's shoulder like if jake it took in a step back there's a good chance tyrant would have fallen to the ground so both those guys landed big shots tyrant was obviously more impactful and more it easier to see uh but jake landed a good shot in that round too so be that one thing that's funny the more of these crossover fights that we get to watch is like you see like no matter what happens you in the heat of the moment these mama guys just can't like beat out the the instincts that that has been so like ingrained in them like you saw tyrant out

there a couple times like fainting level changes things like that as he's going inside and even like sometimes in the clinch like he was kind of like working m ms style clinch and then realize like oh i can't actually do this like it's uh it's so bizarre to watch because we saw this with connor too when he was fighting Floyd. Only Anderson's been the one guy where it's just like he completely just looked like a boxer and it's just like this is incredible. Against if and if you look at all like I'm not counting the Logan Paul Floyd Mayweather fight because that was an exhibition fight of all these crossover fights and I am the biggest hater of who is Caesar Chavez Jr. He's clearly the most legitimate boxer of these crossover fights that MMA fighters have fought and Anderson's except for Floyd well I'm not

counting that that was an exhibition fight like that was technically I mean the Connor the Connor Yes, yes, yes, yes. That is fair. But of this, like, 2021, like, narrative, Hulu's Suter-Sciv Jr. is a legitimate fighter, and Anderson dismantled him. And it was a split decision, which is insane. That's a more serious split decision.

That was a split decision. That was a split decision. Mike, you want to know something great? I just saw on Twitter. We totally missed the mark in the pre-show. When you mentioned, are people going to call this a robbery or our fixed fight or whatever? And that's totally happening because it didn't even strike my mind that, like, people who've never watched Tarring Woodley fight will watch him do something and be like, he's clearly throwing the fight because he almost knocked Big Paul out and then proceeded to go back to not doing anything. So people are 100% like this fight was rigged.

We totally missed it, Mike. It's 100. It's 100 out of 100 Every single time That that word comes out Tarant Leder better punches hurt Jake Way more than Jake did He won on pride rules

We all agree Yeah pride rules He clearly had the bigger moments But Jake Paul won the boxing match Yeah that's the 10 point must system That everyone seems to forget about It's round by round Not the totality of the fight

It's stupid It is what it is As soon as Woodley Refused to take those headphones off during the ringside announcements. I knew it was over. I thought about that too. Like, I was wondering if Tyrant was even going to acknowledge

that he was introduced by Jimmy Lennon Jr., but he finally did. That was a veteran move by Jake to use the ropes to hold himself up. The dudes of future legend, yes. So, and we've talked a lot about what's next for Jake Paul, but what's next for Tyne Woodley if he doesn't get the rematch? I try to avoid this question for as long as possible, but I think we have to address it right now. So I think it's an important piece of this story.

So clearly he wants this rematch with Jake Paul. That is probably the best thing that can happen to him at this point. He did say to Ariel Hawani on the MMA hour this past week that he's got a lot of things going on. He's producing his own show and it's going to be on a big network and he's doing a lot of things. There's a lot of irons in the fire. So if that is true, he doesn't need. need to fight anymore. He's going to be plenty busy with other things, but Tyrant is a very competitive guy. So, Sean, at this point, on this early Monday morning here on the East Coast,

if your team Tyron Woodley right now, what are we thinking about? Like, if you cannot, if this fight does not happen, if you, if Jake Paul's team comes to you right now and says, listen, dude, don't get the tattoo because I ain't fighting you. Makes no sense for me to fight you. What do you do now? It's tough because it does, he was saying over and over in the lead up and even afterwards, right, that I can't go to something smaller than this now. Like, after experiencing something like this, there's no stepbacks. And it's like there's literally only steps back. It's like huge, huge stepbacks, man. Like, you're going, what you're talking about, like, maybe going to Bellator or maybe going to like PFL. Like, I don't know that anybody in the

boxing world has any interest in watching Tyron Woodley do a boxing match right now, right? Unless it's like a Paul brother. Like, what is Tyrant? What is out there for Tyrant in the boxing world? I would assume probably not much. And is Tyrant? Like Tyrant Woodley still might right now be a top 15 level welterweight. Like he was doing okay, I guess with Sente Luque for a little bit. Like that was a fairly competitive fight for a fight that ended in the first round. Like I still believe there are welterweights out there in that top 20 range that Tyrant could beat. But he's also 39 years old.

And, you know, he's been in a lot of wars at this point. He's been hurt a lot of different times. And it's just like, I would like, if it was up to me, if you're asking just my opinion, I would hope that he retires. But it doesn't feel like that's where he wants to go with this. What do you think, Jose? Uh, I have no idea. The Logan Paul fight, if that's the fight.

Hey, fight Hector Lombard and bare knuckle boxing. Hector Lombard apparently really wants to fight. There you go. There you go. I guess that's the fight that just dawned on me. There's some sort of history there that is very bizarre. But I feel like that's a very one-sided rivalry in the sense that Hector Lombard is doing a lot of talking,

and Tyne Woodley is completely ignored it. So maybe that's the move. They just, because apparently bare-knuckle box, BKFC has a bunch of money. maybe they want to show a bunch for him. And he fight, isn't Hector Lombard a champion technically of bare knuckle BKFC? Like, F it,

go get a bare knuckle fighting championship. Jed, can't wait. I just don't know the time Widdley gets a bare knuckle fighting championship. Like, we all want to believe the time Woodley can do good things, but we just are,

no one's learning a lesson from the last five years of his career. Look, the actual answer that happens is I think there are just really two options, and neither of that will make anyone here happy. One, he's going to get like Peyton Manning retired, where just nobody wants him, and so he kind of retires because no one will pay him to do anything. He goes off to his other projects. Or I think the more likely outcome, and Sean, I'm sorry to tell you this, but if you

thought that what happened at the end of tonight was a bad look, when Jake Paul opts not to fight him again, we're going to see a real bad look from Tyra Woodley just chasing that because they're just nothing else for him. Like go to Bellator probably loses and he doesn't make that much money. I don't know what the appetite Bellator has. Definitely loses in the PFL tourney and no one can see him because it's on Showtime or no one has. There's just no options for him. So I think he's probably just going to end up chasing Jake Paul around fruitlessly for a while. And then maybe he'll do Bear Knuckle if like he really wants it but I think it's likely we've seen him for the last time I think he's I mean I think Bear Knuckle would give him a whirl they got money obviously

apparently because they're signing everybody will he should box Tommy Fury on Jake's next undercard in the dude who is that for who's that for though like who's actually interested in watching that um Tommy Fury fans great great question do movies Yes, he could do movies. I like the idea of it just being that easy. I'm just like, oh, yeah. This is to address Jed's incorrect statement on Payton Manning, because I heard it too. This is not an incorrect statement at all.

Payne Manning retired. Yeah. He wanted to come back to Denver, and Denver would not resign him. Didn't he tell? This is crazy revisit. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Didn't, did he not say when he beat the Patriots in the NFC championship game, he went up to Bill Belichick and said this is probably, my last ride before he even played in the Super Bowl. Did he not, did that not happen? That whole after he won the Super Bowl, he wanted to play anywhere. Like he kept shopping anywhere and nobody would, nobody would give him the contract. This is crazy revision of history because, hey, Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl in his final year, but Peyton Manning was God awful that year.

Like the Broncos- Oh, no, Shaddy, we're not going to go to me. Of Peyton Manning. Like, that was not at all. Like, he actively worked against the Broncos to win that Super Bowl. that whole year. And especially in the playoffs, like he was trash. He did his job in the Super Bowl.

He orchestrated a touchdown drive in the first play, and then he let the defense do a damn thing. He's a lifelong cult fan. I will not Brooke Peyton Manning disparagement. I'm just saying, dude's a lifelong choker. Two rings, buddy. Let's not compare championship rings right now. I'm not comparing rings.

I forgot supporting a certain group of millionaires makes the other person better than you're like. Let's move on. guys. It does. Are you not a sports fan? I am a big sports fan, but I don't put myself above other sports fans. Jose loves the Patriots, though.

Let's just throw that out there. He's on team Patriot with me. Very agnostic to the Patriots. I know. That's five losses in a row for Woodley. It's obviously still has the skills, but not the will to win at all costs. I don't be an interesting journey through the mind. Yeah, I don't know that that's the way to phrase it.

It's not a will. It's just more of that's who that guy is, man. We've seen it. we've seen it over and over and over and like Jett said like we keep falling for it or some people keep falling for I fell for it this time he's a good he convinces you he's really good at convincing you that like no this is going to be different this time I'm locked in this time it's not going to happen this time it's going to be different it's definitely the Colby fight I was even the Colby fight like deep down we all thought that Colby was just going to like dominate Tyrod Woodley like there was

not a lot of signs otherwise but I thought Colby was going to beat him when when that fight was going to happen when whether it was champion. I do not, I still don't understand why Colby talked himself out of that title fight because he would have been the legit champion if he had just said yes and taken the fight. It's true. But even down the stretch, everyone was like, well, if Tyrant can get motivated for anybody, it's got to be Colby.

Colby's the one guy that can get him off the coach and motivated. And we saw it happen. So I don't know. I wish I could, I wish we could answer these kinds of questions, but we can't. Can't go into the mind of the men. man, although it would be a very interesting journey. Do you have anything else before you have? Not a ton.

A lot of them are just saying the same stuff. Like Fury, like Jake Paul, like, through the rematch, Tyron Woodley should just make music, this and that. A lot of people saying the fight was rigged. I don't agree with that, but. That's just,

anytime there's a big boxing match that you get all the casuals, or even MMA, like that's just good. People just have never seen Tyron Woodley fight. They just have never seen time. fight before. Yeah, so I disagree with that. But what about someone, I can't find the comment, but someone said, what about Rashad Evans? And I don't

want to see that fight at all. That doesn't actually make sense. I like that fight. Go with that. That's fair. It makes more sense than Tito. It doesn't make more sense than Tito. It makes equal sense. I would actually love to see Rashad get his payday. I think

that would be fan. I think Rashad's been calling out Logan, though. Not Jake. I think. Yeah, but he was just doing that in the aftermath of the Mayweather thing, right? Like, let's just jumping on the new hotness. So, like, maybe this is the new hotness now. Rashad's a great answer.

Go with that one. That seems viable. Someone wants to fight Sean. So there's that. Fight Sean. Don't do it. Let's go. Let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. Take that. What I'd be? I don't know. Clay Collard versus Jake Paul. That would not go off. I don't know.

Yeah. Interesting. I want to see Tony Perkins. A lot of people just saying, now they're just throwing out ridiculous fights. This is really great audio on the podcast. Now they're just, now they're just throwing out ridiculous fights.

Like, oh, have a fight Tony Ferguson. Oh, have a fight Mike Tyson. Oh, Connell. I'm saying, none of those are happening, guy. I mean, let's be honest. I would watch the hell out of him fighting Mike Tyson. I would watch that so very, very. hard.

That would be the highest selling pay per view in the history of combat sports. Yeah, I'd pay $100 to watch that.

It's entirely earnest. I would absolutely do that. Delaware versus Belfort winner gets Jake Paul?

Me. That's not even if it's entertaining fight on that card. Anyway, that's very true.

I think we have exhausted everything from this night in Cleveland, Ohio. I think that is that's pretty clear.

So thank you, gentlemen. Thank you all of you for watching and for those listening after the fact or watching after the fact. We appreciate that as well. So we are getting out of here. Hope you guys enjoyed the card for what it was. All right. Let's just relax and enjoy these things for what they are. Do you guys enjoy the card?

Just very quickly. It was fine. It was fine Sunday night. I didn't understand. It was okay. I didn't understand Barstools betting thing at all because they kept getting everything wrong. That was the best. They went 0 for 10.

It was fire. And they were, they were like making fun of the fighters, like, after the fight. They were like, Tommy Fury sucks. Why did I spend $10,000 on him? I was like, well, don't spend $10,000 on a fight. You don't know. It's just silly to me. Anyway.

They bet five grand each on Anthony Taylor to meet him. Yeah, that was very ridiculous. Anyway, I didn't. That was the, that would be my biggest gripe of tonight. Yes. Well, get some sleep, gentlemen. Get some sleep everybody watching right now. back with the MMA hour tomorrow 1 p.m. Eastern.

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