MMA Fighting - Mike Tyson vs. Roy Jones Jr. & UFC Vegas 15 Post-Fight Show

Episode Date: November 29, 2020

With the debut of the Legends Only League, as well as UFC Vegas 15 in the books, MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck, Jose Youngs and E. Casey Leydon break down the top storylines from a busy Saturday night in combat sports—including Mike Tyson and Roy Jones Jr. fighting to a draw in the squared circle, and Anthony Smith submitting Devin Clark in the first round inside the octagon. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. You know what that music means, ladies and gentlemen. It means we are live on this Saturday night. Sunday here on the East Coast here in the United States. UFC Vegas 15 is in the books. Anthony Smith picks up a first round submission win over Devin Clark in the main event. And of course, we had the boxing match. Mike Tyson versus Roy Jones Jr.

And if you haven't watched it, it ended the way I told you it was going to end yesterday. We did the preview show. And if you listen to me and you put a couple bucks on it, you're in a much better place right now financially. But we're here to recap both of these events with all of you live here on the M.AFighting.com YouTube channel. I am Mike Heck being joined by Jose Young's. There he is. And the executive producer himself. E. Casey Liden.

We got mustaches everywhere. How are you doing, Nick? How are you doing, Casey? After a wonderful night of combat sports. I am doing very well. Thank you for asking, sir. Thank you for asking. And Jose, how are you doing, sir?

Um, well, I saw a nice rap concert tonight, and then there were also some fights, so weird night, I guess. It was a weird night, and for those watching right now, we want to hear from you. This is going to be your show, for the most part because there's so much to talk about.

And chances are you're going to guide us in the right direction anyhow. So first things first, let us let us talk Mike Tyson versus Roy Jones Jr. Jose because. Yeah, I mean, we might as well. What's the negativity here? I'm since I'm sensing negativity. You're asking me, hold on. Casey Leiden's asking me what the negativity's from. Is 2020 really 2020 really has reached just the Twilight Zone.

Like Snoop said, look like two uncles fighting in the backyard, man. That's what the people wanted. Oh, okay. It's fantastic. Name the people. Name five of those people. The two, what, two uncles in the backyard fighting? Never mind.

Never mind. The Snoop. Good little Snoop Dog. Terrible on Contender Series, but he actually kind of fit in with the craziness of tonight. Yeah, he fits on the game. I mean, basically, like, my thoughts on him. I was. This was an exhibition fight, but Mike Tyson, you know, Roy Jones thought it was an exhibition fight and treated it as such. And Mike Tyson at times wanted to become the undisputed heavyweight

champion of the world. He was throwing some shots. And had he gone like 110 percent, I don't think this fight would have gone past three or four rounds. But, you know, it was, it was what it was. And in the end, we all thought, I mean, literally everybody on earth thought Mike Tyson was going to get the decision. Turns out that is not the case. It ends as a draw. draw, which really shouldn't be surprising to anybody. So Jose, just, I guess, quickly, just from your gut instincts and off the top of your head, overall thoughts on this fight. Is it what you expected to exceed expectations?

Where are you at right now? It definitely didn't exceed expectations. It was, it ending in a draw, like I tweeted it. I was like, duh, like, that's the only logical scenario. This could have ended. I mean, there was not supposed to be a winner. Like, they had, what did they just? they like pooled a bunch of former champions and then they came up with the division.

I'm pretty sure Vinnie Paz was on that board. And any board that Vinnie Paz is on is to just be thrown out the window right now. I'm sure I don't even know if that man knew, knows what year it is. But I thought Roy Jones was going to look a lot better than he did, considering he has been active in the last, what, 20 years? And Mike Tyson has not been active whatsoever. But I think you said it best Roy Jones treated this like an exhibition match. And Mike Tyson came in just slinging leather.

even pretty early too. I also agree with you that if the chains were off and he was allowed to just throw whatever he wanted without any repercussion of a knockout, he probably would have in the first few rounds. But I don't think he wanted to blow his load early. So what can you say? It fought to a draw.

I think I scored. I don't even remember what I scored it officially. I tweeted it. I can't remember it. But I thought Mike Tyson won in air quotes, for those of us listening. I thought he won, but it ending in a draw

I was like, yes, this makes sense. This is 2020. Wow. I mean, it was just such a weird night just trying to like pay attention to two different events, the magnitude of this boxing event, which kind of took out of life of its own.

But Casey, your thoughts, Tyson v. Jones, was it what you expected it? Was it what you expected it to be? Did it exceed it? Did you enjoy it? Oh, it exceeded my expectations. I had very low expectations for this fight.

I thought the production was going to be a shit show, but it wasn't. I didn't know Morrow was going to be the play-by-play. I thought Morrow was awesome. I thought Izzy was awesome. I'm not crazy to Snoop Dog, but I think for an exhibition match, it was fine. Whatever. You know, people like it. Sugar-A-Lunner is like, I don't know, whatever.

But I don't think he adds too much to the booth. I think it was too many in the booth. But it's just the production. I thought it looked awesome. It was something you haven't seen. It looked different from Bellator, like different from, not just being a ring. It looked different from any other. pandemic type of combat sports event we've seen.

And I thought it looked awesome. And I thought the exhibition match was fine. It's like two 50-year-old men punching each other. It was better than I expected. Yeah, production-wise, it was very, very Japan, right? It was like pride, kind of like Super J-Cup told Japanese pro wrestling. That's what it reminded me of. I enjoyed the big screens using those LCD.

I mean, the big monitors and everything. It was cool. I don't know. It was something we don't get in MMA. It was nice. Jose, let me ask you this. Was Jake Paul the star of the night? Yeah, considering I did Twitter reacts for the site,

and that by far generated the most reactions. Because let's not forget, like, we kind of live in this echo chamber of combat sports where we follow boxing and MMA and kickboxing and Moytai and all that stuff. So we knew that this product, like, We were all excited for Tyson and Jones. Well, I excited might not be the word, but we were all anticipating some sort of spectacle in the main event. We were kind of making jokes about Nate Robinson versus Jake Paul.

But Nate Robinson brings an entire NBA fraternity with him. So I did Twitter reaction. My God, did every single NBA player tune in to watch this fight? We had like Donovan Mitchell, Kendrick Perkins, Steph Curry, Bradley Beale, like Nick Young, Evan Turner challenged Jake Paul to a fight. Nick Young's like, oh, I got to get respect back for the NBA fan. So 100%, I wouldn't say biggest star.

I use that word for what you want. I won't use that word with him, but people were definitely talking about that fight specifically more than any other fight. And then when the main event happened, it kind of seems like the sporting world kind of all watched together. But the NBA Twitter just kind of got lit on fire when they got knocked out by Jake Paul.

So, yeah, all eyes were on Jake Paul after that performance. Yeah, it was pretty wild. It was like a big, like, clinch fest for a while. Nate Robinson was just throwing gas, like right off the bat. And, you know, Jake just was taste. Yeah, you try to knock him out in about 30 seconds. I think Jake, I think Nate actually outlanded Jake in the fight, but Jake obviously made his shots count and knocked him out cold.

So, I mean, Casey, you're a perusing guy. If you're Jake Paul right now, like don't be boxing Dylan, Danis and Connor McGregory. Like, none of those fights are going to happen anytime soon. You should just run through the entire NBA right now, right? All these basketball players want to come in and fight you,

just start running through all these NBA guys, right? Like, isn't that the way to go? Either way. Obviously, celebrity boxing is the route for him. I don't even know why this fight was even happening. Nate Robinson just seems like a random basketball. while player to me like okay i guess um and um he's Nate Robbins has he had any what was his experience like he looked like a guy that's maybe been training boxing for about a

year but had it really been in a competitive match because he looked he looked like he was fighting scared in the first like everything he just looked like he was this he was just a scared fighter to me and just well if i can't knock this guy out in 20 seconds i'm i'm out of i'm out of it is i don't I didn't know the history of this fight at all. So was he, did he train? I mean, did he have any amateur? Like, what's the history on this? No, he was O and O, and he called out Jake Paul.

Was he just the guy that liked boxing? I don't mean. I don't know his fandom. I don't know how deep his fandom goes, but he called him out. Because I know Logan Paul wanted to fight Antonio Brown. If you don't, if you know, if you follow football, I think at one point in time, Antonio Brown was the best wide receiver in football. Like, and he was still playing.

but then he off the field issues, cast him out of the league, and for like a good few months, the circus was following him around. So he tried to fight Logan Paul, and I think that kind of opened the door to a lot of athletes, former athletes,

challenging these YouTube stars. And then I believe Nate Robinson called out Jake Paul, and Jake Paul was like, okay, let's do it. Like, you're my height, my weight. Because the basketball player, they're all like, you forget, you watch them on TV.

Like Kobe Bryant's 6'6, and he looks normal-sized on a court, but you stand next to Kobe Bryant, he was massive. Nate Robinson was actually normally sized human beings. So I think that's why Jake Paul took this fight. Hey, Jake Paul is smart. He picks his match as well. That was a smart matchup for him.

Nate Robinson just did not look like a guy that was ready to box competitively. And I don't know. Yeah, of course Jake Paul is not a world beater, but he can be NBA players. This was also Jake Paul's third fight in like the last. however meant like two years a year and a half so he's actually spent if whatever you want to call his training came he's been in the gym for like a year and a half working on these on his boxing so it's just the reps i guess yeah i don't care i would like to see jake ball versus dyn danis i don't care no he should fight if if you're if mike you're a wrestling guy case of your wrestling guy

it's all about the stories you have to fight the guy that beat his brother whatever his name is in a boxing match who beat is the ks i ks i'm KSI beat Logan Paul. They fought to a draw, and that was an exhibition fight. That was an actual exhibition contest, like the Tyson fight. It was fought to a draw on YouTube. It was a YouTube pay-per-view. And then they rematched in the T-Mobile arena, and it was a professional fight in KSI won.

So he's 1 and 0 professionally. And he beat Logan Paul's brother. So make that fight if you want to make a lot of money. It's a fight you can win, not take it. damage and you can make a boatload of money. Yeah. I actually think Ben Askeran would be a lot of fun if we're

I guarantee you. I guarantee you more people know who KSI is than Ben Asking. I agree. That's an unfortunate situation because Ben Ascreen is a world class athlete. KSI is just a guy with like 50 million YouTube subscribers. So money wise

and eyeball wise, it's KSI. If you want to actually appeal to the combat sports fans, Ascreen or Danes is the fight but I guess it just depends on which road you want to take. You take the money fight. Yeah, I agree. I agree because you'll probably beat both of those guys.

Well, you'll probably beat KSI. I don't know how Dylan Danes, boxing is, and then Ascreen it is what it is. So, fine, take any of those fights. Also, at the end of the day, Jake Paul's going to make a bulk lot of money in any of those because he's Jake Paul. And he builds fights correctly.

He just goes on a bunch of like heavy, heavily populated YouTube channels, runs his mouth a little bit. But he was very respectful after the, after the win, which I thought was pretty cool on his. We all are. Yeah. Call the who we wanted to call out and such. One of the things that stuck out to me about this event is that there were certain times where I felt like I was like 12 years old, feeling nostalgic. And then there were other times where I felt like I was 114 years old, especially during the musical performances, because I had no idea who half these people were. No idea. no idea

Snoop Dog like saved the day for me I was like oh yeah I know all of these songs but that was it

like I didn't really know I mean I've heard of these people but never I'm sitting there listening to the song Black and Whiz Khalifa obviously

I knew but then like sandwiched in between no idea who they were so it was it was interesting to say the least I saw people

complain about the performances yeah there was there might been one too many but like I enjoyed it I was like oh

this sounds good I was like oh I get to see YG I was like YG is freaking awesome I was like Oh, yeah. They were just long after a while.

I was like, all right, let's get this show in the road. Like, I have no problem if you want to play a song or tune in between, but, like, we play like full sets. I'm like, let's move it along, people. The rest of what you're paying for? You're not just paying for the whole package, man. Oh, okay. Dude, MTV Video Music Award it.

Like, if you want to go through, like, the catalog, just do like 30 seconds of each. A verse, a chorus, a chorus. Like, drop it like it's hot was like Snoop's 37th song. And he did like three verses. of that. And then a remix in the background would smoke this and smoke that. Like, it was great. Gin and Juice was awesome. Nothing but G-thing was great. But that's it. You know, just go on a high no, bro. You know what I mean? I don't know.

It was just such a weird night. Weedmaps.com. Weedmaps.com. Yes. And then we'd be remiss before we go to questions. Anthony Smith gets back on the winning track. Oh, yeah. Almost forgotten about. It's unfair. Those Ultimate Fighters in Vegas. Yeah. happened too. It's so unfair. Poor Miguel Baezza and poor Anthony Smith getting submission victories like during and then in the aftermath of Mike Tyson versus Roy Jones Jr. So it's almost unfortunate for both guys, but they both look great. Both get big wins. Anthony Smith especially coming in, big spot had lost his last two fights. People thought back was against the wall as a must-win fight. Got an early takedown. Devin Clark very aggressive. Slaps on a triangle.

Gets a submission, Casey. What did you think of Anthony Lionheart Smith's performance, getting back to his winning ways? Pleasantly surprised. I thought he was going to lose tonight. I thought Devin Clark was going to grind him out and be, it was going to be a mediocre 25 minutes of, you know, fence, fence fighting. But it wasn't.

It was like three or four minutes. Pretty, yeah. Anthony Smith is in a fight and he doesn't have to go to the hospital afterward. He just goes back to his hotel room. to pizza and he just collects a check great on him um i don't i don't see anthony smith fighting for a title or anything anytime soon but great anthony smith got a big win and um i'm glad he's still still in it i was a little surprised jose when i heard his entrance music no return of the back turns out it was the it was the right decision new man a new man a new fighter what do you walk out to yeah

do we know i don't know a different song mattison doesn't different song so maybe just wanted to change it So maybe 2020 is just, you know, bummer all around. You know my affinity for that song, but can't argue with the results. As someone who claims a crystal gave Brian Keller her powers, I can't argue with the results of walking out with a new song and him getting a victory. Agreed. Rest of UFC Vegas 15, if you were just so enamored with the Tyson Jones pay-per-view, Parker Porter gets his first UFC win over Josh Parisian via unanimous decision.

That was a wild fight. I can't believe that thing went 15 minutes. Bill Algeo defeated Spike Carlyle, unanimous decision. Norma Dumont defeats Ashley Evan Smith. She gets her first UFC win. Jonathan Pierce also gets his first UFC win against Kai Kamaka, the third. TKO in the second round, Anderson Dos Santos gets a win. Gina Mizani first win in over three years.

She gets to finish over Rachel Ostevic. What a crazy fight that was. Nate Mainis gets a win. I always forgot how to pronounce the last name. Oh, man. Sum, Madari, Madari, Madari. Madari? Madarji.

Madarji. Sue Madargy. I'm going to like that. Yeah, I apologize. Madarji? Sue Madarji? Because I saw in the UFC had it as one long name. It was like.

It was like Al-Tang-Haley. Yeah. Sue Madarji. I'll just go up that for now. Until he tells me otherwise. What is his in ethnicity? He fights out of China, but that covers a lot of ethnicities, to be honest. Yeah.

Because I know some of those countries don't really have surnames, first names, names, last names. It's just like, like, Aung-Long-Song is all, like, his full name. Yeah. He's born in Tibet, if that helps. Can you talk about Tibetan Eagle? You know what this fight card reminded me of? The Rockhold David Branch fight, because it was the same exact day as Canello, Triple G.

So no one really watched Triple G. I mean, David Branch and Rockholds and like Rockhold got the win like Domina went over David Branch. Mike Perry was on the card.

I'm pretty sure Anthony Smith Lombard was on that card. Camaro Usman was on that card. Where was that? Pittsburgh? Is that the Pittsburgh card? It was some way. It was some random place.

It was like Pittsburgh or Philly or something weird. And no one watched it. I remember I had to do Twitter reacts reacts maybe and no one watched it. It was all Triple G versus Cannell. everywhere. We got our bonuses.

Let me guess. Sumidharji. Yep. He has got one. Anthony Smith. Yeah. And is there a fight at night or two bonuses? Two bonuses.

Four bonuses. Four bonuses. Okay. The bonuses maybe Bayezza. Yep. Yeah, Baezza. And then. Ooh, this is going to be a tough one.

If you get this, I'll be impressed. Manus. Boom. Hondo. Nicely done. All right, we're going to go to questions momentarily. For those wondering why I'm so dark and look a little grainy, I'm in Boston right now.

I'm at my parents' house. My parents are in Florida. They're about to drive back next week. So my wife being the angel that she is said, you know what, we're going to put up all the Christmas decorations for them. So by the time they get home, they don't have to do it. So you can see all the stockings behind me.

So there you go. What is that low? a little Boston blanket. Is that Christmas or is that always there? The Boston blanket? Oh, that's, oh, there it is. Yeah, that's always that. I think I could put it up there. All right. But there you go. All right, let's get to the question. Let's see what the peeps have to say. It's the question. I just want to say before we get to the questions, it is pretty funny how right when Roy Jones and Tyson's began their match at the same time, Porter and Parisian are going at it and just like, whoa, it was just,

just two heavyweight fights and two different combat sports. It's very interesting. It was just a different, completely different feel to them. Have you seen the photos from the Tyson Jones, like the photos from Getty? Yeah, Casey? No, drop him in on Slack. Oh, man. They are exactly what you'd expect during a pandemic where you have to sit like five rows back.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Hey, man. It's like, if that fight was scheduled for next week, it doesn't happen because everything is shut down in L.A. So, hey. All right. It was wild.

Just a wild night. Everyone just, a lot of happiness for Lionheart, I'm saying. A lot of people just, fans love him. It's a good, one of the really good guys in the sport.

He is, he is. Girl dad, too. That's right. That dude's been through a lot this year. More importantly, former co-co- host of the A side. That's right.

Before, yeah, let me just go just here. It's not actually about this card, but it's other news coming out. Our good friend Joseph Boza, am I crazy or something up with UFC on ESPN 19, Hermanson v. Vittori. Kevin Holland supposedly got COVID around noon. He dropped out four hours later. He is fighting Jacaree. WTF. Okay, Jose, I got to say, I was a little.

little surprised to see that on the broadcast night that Kevin Holland was returning in 2020 and fighting a week later against Jacaree. Your reaction to all this because it's kind of, it's kind of surprising. Not surprised. It's the UFC. That's what they like a week. Like a contract means nothing. Like you could like like Casey and I were talking about before you hopped on. You can sign a contract and then like a day later they're like, no, sorry, Sajara, U. Banks. You're no longer fighting on the main event in Madison Square Guard and even though you agreed to it. Like it doesn't matter.

Like a week later, a day later, it doesn't matter. It's, uh, it is what it like, should it happen? Probably not because Kevin Holland has a, uh, a virus that is very contagious and is killing a lot of people in this country. So probably should have fight, but doesn't surprise me that the UFC is making it happen. I'm sure he's going to quarantine, but can he train? Who's going to train with? Like he can't, does this coaches have it?

Does his coaches not have it? Is he going to any sort of training kit? that like they push this to January so be it but for it to be a week later it's a little shocking but not it should it it should be shocking but honestly I'm not surprised because it's just I'm used to the US you pulling this kind of stuff at this point shouldn't be happening though and Jaceret already had COVID too so sure did I was there he was the original he was the original the patient zero I will never forget sitting in the live because it was we were all don't work me and oscar willis

and adam hill of los vegas were doing oscar willis of uh macleve were sitting in the hotel lobby like finally eating dinner after a long day and then just chaos broke and then all of a sudden the entire lobby was empty isn't it funny now what so when was that fight in june when was that may so may and now now we're at the point where it's if a fighter

doesn't fall out a main fight doesn't fall out the week of that's a shocker yeah so So, yeah, this is, it's weird. And just because Holland is booked against Chakra right doesn't mean that fight's happening either, people. So it's interesting, but I won't. Don't worry, Kevin Holland will end up fighting Jack Kermanson in January because both fights will fall out. Just, you know that little graphic you see all the time? Card subject to change.

Just keep that in mind, ladies and gentlemen, on the books right now. And as Jose has said, many times in the preview show, until those two men walk to the octagon and the referee says go, fights on official yet. That's just kind of the world we're living in. Ooh, what about, yes, Natalie Duran, I completely agree with you. Anthony Smith versus Luke Rockhold, there is no other fight to make. It is personal.

Give Anthony Smith what he wants, right? Any disagreements here? If Rockhold is back, like if he wants to come back and he's ready to go, then sure. I love that fight. That fight should happen. They hate each other. Rockhold's coming off a loss. Anthony Smith is still not.

in a position to be choosy with his opponents. I think it's a fight. Both fighters can win five-round fight. I mean, Rockholds only fought two, three-rounders in his UFC career. Anthony Smith's on this run of main events. Make it happen. Off the top of my head, who's light heavyweight? Who else is there?

He already fought Balkan. You already fought like pretty much everyone in the top five. It's probably like he'd probably have to fight like the winner of Circu'd off and span, right? at this point? Or Jimmy Crute. Oh. This is the five. This is the five for Anthony Smith.

This is a perfect fight for both those gentlemen, honestly. I agree. I'm just thinking like if Rockhold doesn't want to fight anytime soon and Anthony Smith does because Luke Rockold is technically still tired.

Well, if he can't, if Luke Rocco wants to come back, this is the fight he needs to come back to. I mean, look at, I mean, I know people want to, people want to crap on Luke Rockold

because, you know, Luke Rockold is Luke Rockold. But look, Look who he's lost to, though. He lost to Yon. Like, when he lost, we lost to Yon, no one thought, like, no, that guy, this is clearly going to be the guy's going to be the champ in a few months. Like, no, who, I don't think that was written, that wasn't written anywhere in the world. He lost to Romero in Bisming.

I mean, yeah, yeah. But this, if Rockhold loses Anthony, Anthony Smith, who knows what happens after that. But, man, actually. You know, another fun fight? because they have some sort of beef too. Johnny Walker, because they don't have fights, and they were going out on Twitter not too long ago too. Anthony Smith and Johnny Walker, yeah.

Anthony Smith's response was, I'll beat the F out of you. Because Walker called him out after his last win. He got on the mic and called them out. You know what I think is not out of the realm of possibility because of this card is subject to change. Maybe they have Anthony Smith on standby to fight Jokore. That's a light heavyweight?

Why not? It would have to be a 205, yeah. Jacques Ray's fought at 205. If Jacques Ray wants a fight no matter what, then I can see that, yeah. First round sub, didn't take any damage. And look again at Jacques-Rae. He was one of those guys that tried to go to light heavyweight, and he lost. But he'd wind up losing to the guy who wind up winning the bell.

So it's not like he lost just a dude. You know, he lost a yawn, you know? So what a decision do, right? If Vermero jumps up What if Maro jumps up to 25. I'm just thinking like other possibilities.

That's awesome. I like... That's a main event fight. Hell yeah. You know, I like Jacques Ray versus Anthony Smith way more than Jacques Ray versus Kevin Holland.

I know Kevin Holland wants to get in there and everything, but with the test, it's just, come on, man. But so, but of course, that would Jacques Ray

going back up and wait, but he's fighting a guy that used to fight at 85. He's a small, two-o-fiver. Who knows? Good idea, Mike Eck. Let me call it.

Let me call. You like, Maynard? Yeah. Do you guys like Hermanson versus Vittori better than Hermansa versus Holland? I like Hermanson. I want Hermannsen, Jacques-Rae.

Why was it, Vittor? They already fought. They already fought. What happened? Yeah, beat him up and fight. That's how Jack Hermanson got these main events. He beat him up in Sunrise. You're right.

Sorry. That's why, yeah. All right. It's supposed to be Romero, Jacques-Rae, too, if I'm not mistaken. and Romero pulled out. If I remember correctly,

and Hermanson was the last minute. I remember that because this was back in the, the MMA hour days, and Jack Hermanson was like, I'm gonna beat up Jacques Harry on the ground. Like, I do not care how good he is. I wrote that article. I don't remember that fight.

I mean, now I do remember the result, but I don't actually remember the fight. Great Hardy was on that card. That was when he fought that dude who looked like he was going to fall asleep. Like his eyes were always closed. The one that Dana freaked out about afterwards. Yeah, he's like, why is he in the UFC?

I'm like, yeah. Oh, that guy. You know, there's so many fights I watch and I go, you know what? I'm just going to block this out of my memory in about 30 seconds. And this is gone. And then I'm a happy man again. That fight had the co-main event was Grey Hardy versus Dmitri Smolokov. Co-main event.

And then they had Mike Perry, Cowboy, Oliver, Kuta, Laba. Corey Sanagan, Lanaker was on that car. Roosevelt Roberts. Oh, yeah. Esparza, Janderoba, Gilbert Burns, Mike David. That was a good card. My God.

Angela and Jody. Diego and court. That was a good scrap. Man, there was a lot of good fights on that. Look at me good fighters on my card. And the co-main of it, yeah. I just remember I had to make winner graphics like for like that we post like who won the fights.

And shockingly, Esther had photos of Dimitri that I could, I like available. And every single photo, it looked like he had just fallen asleep. So I'm like, I hope this guy doesn't become a big superstar because he's the most unfodgeted person I have ever seen in the UFC. I love those guys. I love it.

The tonight's Tyson pay-per-view helped make combat sports more fringe or legit. I would say it's going to be the same as every big boxing match where all eyes are on boxing. But then boxing is really into how. much money they could make today rather than how they can make the sport big, I think, which is take it for what it is. Like, when Pache off on Mayweather, I box it didn't become all of a sudden this big thing, but all eyes were on it, and then a week later, we just passed it. Same as Maymac.

How much money can we make right now? Which is fine if you want to make a lot of money and you want to put on a spectacle. Like, you go to the circus. You don't want to go to the circus every single week. But that's just my opinion. is really good at making one-night spectacles and not continuing on forward. I think Eddie Hearn is doing a really good job over in, what is it, matchroom boxing. He, if you watch his, like when Katie Taylor fought, he, the way he cuts promos on his

fighters is amazing. He sells them and he sells their opponents. Like, Katie Taylor just beat the hell out of her opponent. I can't remember her opponent's name. And he basically still sold her opponent's skills, sold how good Katie Taylor's. And basically, yeah, this fight wasn't that competitive, but just keep watching. I think Eddie Hern is doing a phenomenal job promoting his fighters over there. And Anthony Joshua should be the biggest star in boxing.

He's just not there yet. He has to fight Tyson Fury in Wild at first. I think the Tyson pay-per-view was very legit. Outside of, you know, Snoop making, you know, some off-color maybe jokes every once in a while. but, you know, I think it was, I think, I thought Izzy was great. I mean, can we talk about Izzy for a moment? I thought Izzy was, I thought, what did you think about Izzy in the, in the commentary booth? You could tell he did homework.

You could really tell he did homework because, like, when Body Jack fought, he was talking about his opponents last fight, body Jock's, body, Boter Jack's last fights. Like, you could tell he really put in the research. Even Jake Paul, he's, like, talking about what Jake Paul did in his last fight compared to what he did in this fight. I think Izzy has a real, like he has a legit future and like analytical work for like USC, like a color commentator and stuff. I think it's interesting the fact that he was actually so good.

First of all, I thought, I felt, I felt, I didn't, I listened to the whole broadcast. I probably listened to the Tyson paper view. I probably listened to maybe 40% of it. But I got the impression that Izzy was almost slightly annoyed that maybe, um, maybe, uh, Snoop wasn't taking it as serious. as Izzy was. I don't know. It was just my sense.

But I don't understand why how did the UFC not see this in Izzy? He's their champion, yet I haven't seen him in any sort of analyst role for the UFC. I just find that very odd. Maybe they just couldn't get him to Vegas to do it or he was in camp

or he's had so many fights back to back to back to back once again have time to do that. Well, he's only four hours from Vegas right now. And he's been down here for about a month at least. Fair point. I'm just saying it's just something's going on. I don't know. I don't know. I'm sure he made a lot more money doing it tonight than he would have doing it for a UFC broadcast. Like a lot more.

Yes. When things don't make sense, yeah. Who's right? He was writing the bigger checks. And I'm sure the UFC had to like allow him to do it in some way. and I mean, I don't know. I've never heard that. You think there's got to be some sort of conflict there in some way.

Dana always said Izzy told him. Is he told Dana? Izzy was like, hey, I'm doing this. And Daniel was like, cool. That's what he said at the press conference anyway. Can you imagine Dana saying no, don't make money? That'll go over real well if Izzy, I'm sure. He did great, though.

He did. I was really impressed. I was impressed. Hey, in tuxedo. We're in a tuxedo? Look at him, looking on sharp. He was so much better than Sugar Ray. That's for sure.

That's unfortunate thing. Like, Sugar Ray is great. But I felt like, like, when Sugar Ray would speak, I would like, it sounded like he was about to say something profound or like, like, reminisced on something. I was like, like, leaning in here. And then he just, like, stopped talking. Like, he started a story and then just never got to the next part. Yeah, I never got any insight from him.

Yeah, for sure. No, and he obviously he's one of the greatest boxes who ever lived, but he was not on his A game. Morrow is Marro. Marl's the best. Oh, I was happy to hear Morrow again, but him and his flowing loss. Marr was by far. And he was, he was bringing in a lot of, yeah, he had Matt call me off guard for sure. I was a lot, I think, for, like, he would, when he would talk to Izzy, when people would clinch up, he was specifically asked Izzy about like, oh, this is like you in the UFC.

And then when Snoop Dogg, he'd be like, hey, Snoop. you used to do you've done WWE matches before your cousin is a women's champion right now so like he was bringing in like he was trying to get like specific experiences from other people and he'd try to get that with Sugar Ray and Sugar Ray is like I'm kind of old so I don't know

come on man Sugar Ray seems like he's good for like maybe like promos where you interview them and you can edit and take like clips of him but like when he just has to have free flow in a booth I don't know if that was a low off dude you know you know who is great tonight and

I know people kind of like frowned upon it when they heard he was the host Mario Lopez is awesome tonight Mario Lopez is a Mario Lopez is a really big boxing fan like he does a lot of he did a lot of like a showtime or HBO one of them so he would do that a lot and he's

hosted a millionth and so like I'm I'm not when he popped on I'm like whatever like I don't really think about Mario Lopez I don't have any affinity for Mario I've never seen an episode of saved by the bell But I know I didn't grow up watching TV But I just know he really is passionate about boxing

So He was the best wrestler at Bayside E.C. Slater, bro. I will take your word for it. When I first My first gig ever in MMA I was hired as an editor For the countdown show

For the first Adidex C card, which was Frank Shamrock versus Hensio Gracie. So I had lots of raw footage of Mario Lopez. He was one of the original kind of analyst for Showtime when Elitexie came about. So I remember going, oh, and it was just fun hearing all this footage of him talking about Frank Shamrock and Hensio Gracie in an early Gina Carana. So that was 12, 13 years ago. So Mario Lopez, for a while, has been seriously involved and not just boxing, but just

combat sports in general. So, yeah, he did what tonight? I don't really care very much for him as far as just in general. Yeah, but I'm not eating great, I think. And when he pops up, I know he's not going to say anything dumb that he doesn't know what he's talking about because he's a fan for sure. Yeah. I see what's next for Bayez's a question.

I will good night. I saw someone, I saw someone in the Twitter comments say Rockmanoff. I like that fight. I don't think it's going to happen, but I think that fight is fun. That is a lot of fun. I think it's the Tim Means. I like Tim Means, but they both, they both, the Tim Means is just like,

I think a slightly younger version of Matt Brown. So I think Tim Means versus Bayez is a fun scrap. There's a lot of options for the man right now. You give him top 15 yet? Hmm. I give him a name next, like a pretty solid name, top 25. You know who I like, maybe like Cowboy Oliveira? What about Joe, man?

The name. What about I on Joe Ben? I was singing Joe Band too. I was singing Joe Band also. But Joe Ben is just like pretty beat up. He was out for a while. He got beat up pretty bad. But you won.

I guess it's, I think the UFC, I feel like the UFC, they want to put the promotional push behind Baez. I think he's, he's got that, it backed her a bit. Yeah. I mean,

give a, he needs a step up, though. There's no doubt about that. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe Cobboy Olivera. I don't know. I mean, I like the, I kind of like the Daniel Rodriguez or Nicholas Dalby idea. Around that range.

Okay. Yeah. I see that. He's close. He's real close, though. But what do we think about Baezza? I was, is he? What about, what about the winner of Chaos Williams and Michelle Perreta?

Depending on the FICO's. Hmm. Yeah. I mean, I'd be down to watch either of those scraps. That'd be a lot of fun. Because I think Chaos Williams, if he just crushes Michelle Predetta, like he did the last two, he probably deserves top 15. But if it's like, if he doesn't do that and we finally get a sense of,

oh, he has, if he doesn't put you away in 30 seconds, he might not be the best fighter in the world. So, but again, there's a lot of questions for him. So I don't, I don't hate that fight either. I'll just be a violent scrap. There's a lot. I mean, 170 is just so much. much fun right now. Yeah, I think more important he just needs to be. Yeah, Mike Perry. I was kind of thinking that too. He said a name, but not a ranked name. And Mike Perry is still a bigger name than

Tim Means, even though Tim Means is a bit. You know what I mean. Yeah. So maybe that's what Mike Perry is good for right now is using his big name to boost up upcoming prospects. So yeah, I like him. I'll have to think about it for onto the next one. Sean Brady doesn't have a fight. Sean Brady doesn't have a fight coming up, right? You're supposed to fight Blah Muhammad and then he got injured. What's Conan Nelson doing those days?

He has a fight. I don't know. He hasn't heard for anything. Yeah. This is a quick, next question. Just a quick yes and no. Quick yes and no. We'll move to the next question.

No. No, absolutely not. That's a good fight. That is a good fight. is what MMA is about, man. That is the beauty of MMA. I'm using beauty. I'm using beauty of very loosely right there.

Should it have been like a main card fight on a UFC card? Probably not. And that's no disrespect to either guy, but it was a fun fight. But can we talk about again how the UFC puts those two heavyweights, talented gentlemen, good fighters, at the top of a card? When the freaking flyweight's again, again, with the quickest knockout of the whole night,

they were throwing the second fight of the night. It's like, come on, man, when do we... Again, again. I can tell you from Twitter React, more people watch the flyweight fight than the heavyweight fight. That heavyweight fight was going on in the exact same time while a couple

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on your first three orders. Instacard, groceries that over deliver. Service fees exclusions in terms apply. Um, I can't find the question yet, but I lost it. But let's talk about what's next for Gina Mazzani and Rachel Ostevich. Unfortunately, I think Rachel Ossivich's next fight will not be in the UFC. Yeah, I really, probably back to Invicta.

Yeah, I actually followed Rachel for a couple of days for her, one of her Invicta fights, maybe four years ago or so. And super nice. Her family was super awesome and everything. and she let me follow her around. I was in the locker room for her warming up, you know, in doing all that stuff. And she won her fight. And I remember thinking, oh, she has some serious potential.

She has, like, she has some star-making potential. But she was young. She's going to get better, you know. She looked very raw. And that was like at least four years ago. And unfortunately, she's the same fighter. I don't, I just don't, she just, do you see Rachel Ossivitch? I mean, I know she's been out of the ring, out of the cage for a while,

but she just feels, I don't see any improvement in her game. doesn't she feel like the same fighter you saw in the was she in the tough house on i'm not sure but she i will say outside of jake paul almost killing a man tonight i think i think rachel ostovich had the highlight of the night

she don't when she got that weird transition that was insane that was a very bizarre transition but then she didn't do anything with it we were talking before you yeah before you hop Before you have done, we were like, I was like, man, if Rachel, I got that crazy transition and actually got a submission, like, $50,000, probably going to be talking about it for the rest of the year or until something else crazy happens. But, like, she got to the position and then, like, that was it. Like, step one, do something crazy. Step two, finish it.

And you just didn't. Yeah. Yeah. She showed a lot of gusto on the fight, though. She did. Gina Mizani, man, she is. legit at 125. She's an animal.

She's got a lot of energy. She is super strong in that division. And that pace, that glory MMA pace that those fighters put on just fits her perfectly. Did it not, Casey? Oh yeah,

I thought she looked great tonight. I thought Feltter was kind of, it was kind of harsh on her saying, oh, she looks really tired. But to me, I didn't see that. I saw someone that was just pushing hard, just pushing, pushing, pushing, and just, yeah, she was breathing hard and looking tired,

but her punches, her takedowns, her just aggression was always still there. So I think, yeah, I think we've been kind of waiting for that Gina Mizani to show up, and I think we got it tonight. I don't know how far she'll go in the flyway division, but I'm excited that she got a solid win, and I want to see her fight again. So I think that's a big win. Maybe like a Courtney Casey or something? Around there.

Yeah. That works. Yeah, it's me. I want to see your fight. Who's the woman that, unless she wants to stay a fly away. Lauren Murphy fought. Shakirova.

Yeah. Because, like, you know, because, like, Gina, it looked great, but she fought Rachel Ostavich, who has a sub-500 record. I don't want to throw her into, like, an Sifchenko-Lipski fight that she could win, but, like, I don't know.

Like, I'm thinking, like, J.J. Aldridge, Montana, Delaware, like somewhere somewhere in there like not top 15 but 16 to 24 16 to 25 actually the lady that murphy Lauren Murphy beat in Abu Dhabi that's a should be a actually I want her well if she goes the straw weight if if big if the UFC keeps Rachel Ostevic around that's who I would like to see Rachel Ostevic first against if she fights I think Gina's actually I think she deserves a bit of a name. I like,

yeah, Courtney Casey would be a good one. JJ, Montana. Courtney Casey, unfortunately seems to be that kind of, and I hate saying

because it sounds negative, that gatekeeper, if you want to be an elite level female fighter, you gotta have to beat you have to beat Courtney Casey. What about Sabina Mazo? I don't think she has a fight.

Oh, now? That's a bad be a fun fight. That'd be a fun fight. Marina Mara Rose, I know she's falling out. So, I don't know, there's a couple fun fights. I don't think she's top 15 yet, but a name, like Casey said. If they keep Ostevic around, you got to do Ashley Evan Smith, right? I mean, those two are kind of like in the same bow right now.

Shane Adopson. Yeah. Or who did Shane Adopson just beat? Because that's like what, like, I think. Oh, the, like, Arapova. That would be a fun. Yeah, that'd be a fight because I think that's historically one of the biggest betting upsets in the history of UFC.

It might be number one. Norma Dumont versus Ashibbant. Norma was 139.5. Norma said she had a tough weight cut, losing 35 pounds. Should UFC have a woman's featherweight division and get more fighters? They do have a women's featherweight division. do they

kind of I mean in theory in theory there is a champion there's supposed to be a title fight coming up to answer I don't know what else what else can you do

to build this division even more I mean you had a tough season and tried and then like everybody on that season went down to 135 so like what else can you do at this point to build 45 I don't know

I just don't think there's enough quality 45ers to fill up two divisions and two different promotions being Bellator and UFC. I would love, I mean, I feel bad for me again, but like I just want all the 45ers to go to Belator. And I just and and then, you know, use Invicta as kind of a, you know, another platform to, I don't, build up fighters to go to Belator. Like Pam Swarinson's still out there. I think she's invicted champ

And I don't understand why she's not signed by the UFC So it's wild I mean Jose do you subscribe to the theory that When Nunez defense against Megan Anderson That Megan Anderson has to win for this division to stay alive It's an interesting question I don't know right now

Because I don't know If she does win I think it's great. But if Amanda loses and we get like a, like a Demetrius Johnson type thing where he leaves the UFC after he loses, and then all of a sudden fly away gets like Megan Anderson and someone else fight for a vacant title, and then she wins the vacant title, and then injects all this excitement to the division. I guess that could technically happen, but I think Casey just said it best. The best featherweight, the three of the best feather weights in the world between Nunes,

Cyborg and Julia Budd, two of them are in Bellator. And I think Bellator is the place to be if you're a women's featherweight fighter. I think the issue is similar to the UFC 205 in heavyweights. Like the best fight, the best and most stacked weight classes in MMA are the average human size. Like the average male size is probably between 135 and 170, right? Like somewhere in there. and those are the most stacked weight classes. For women, 115 is probably an average women's size for an athlete.

That is top 15 is unbelievable in straw weight. And then as you get higher, especially 145, in the UFC heavyweight, like if you're a UFC heavyweight and you're an incredible athlete, you're probably playing another sport or you're going into boxing because you can make a lot more money as a heavyweight champion in boxing than at M&A. So until they figure that out, it's going to be a rough time for the featherweight division. division for women. Well, I'll tell you what, the potential savior of this division could be Kayla Harrison. I know she's going to fight the NFL next year too, but definitely something

to keep an eye on because you know that you think man and nooner hangs on. I don't like Kayla Harrison and man Nina is trained together down at ATT or I don't know if they actually train together because you know how ATT is. But if they're both waving the ATT banner and if Kayla Harrison knows Amanda's out and now's the time to drop to 1.45 so they don't have to fight each other. It wouldn't surprise me either. But she was for years

wanted to fight Cyborg. Like that was her boogie woman, she said. Who said what? Sorry? Kayla Harrison really wanted to fight cyborg before Cyborg lost. I don't know if that's still, if she still wants that fight.

I'm sure she does. I don't think she cares the same. I don't think she cares the same crescendo as it did in the past. I don't know if it's enough to get her to go to Ballotore. Yeah, I would, yeah, I would, I want to see Kayla Harrison fight in a bigger show. I think she deserves, I think she's a great personality. I think she's super excited.

I think she was great at 45. I think she's great that she can throw elbows on the ground, finally. And I want to see her in Belvoir and I don't want to see a featherweight division in the UFC, unfortunately. Kayla Harrison is going to be a great on-camera talent, too. She's an excellent speaker. Is she good on the mic? as far as Amazon. She's phenomenal.

Oh, that's great. She is so good. And she can talk a lot of greasiness with her male fighters. Like her and Henry Zahudo are constantly talking trash when they're on each other because they both have gold medals. All right. In case you heard. Who is it? But is a hoot?

That's a rumor. Yeah. One or two. Rumor. Rumer. Big if true. Big if true. All right.

We find another question. It should be a million questions. Yeah. Just a weird, wacky crazy night. There's been a few. I don't know. It's a bit of a troll question, but I think we can parlay this into another topic.

Nate Robinson versus Diego Sanchez. But more about, are we going to start seeing celebrity MMA? Have we had, I know we get celebrity boxing. Have we really gotten celebrity MMA yet? do people not want to see that I don't I don't know I mean I don't want to see

I don't know I don't want to see like Nate Robinson fight Not Diego Yeah I know you're saying Yeah I don't know I don't know the answer either

I'm not sure because I haven't seen it You know but The closest thing we got is The closest thing we got is seen punk It's the close thing we got Yeah but it has to be Seam Punk versus Nate Robert

Robinson. Like, like, Nate Robinson versus seeing punk. It's like, oh, okay, that's something I can I think you, if you're going to do celebrity MMA, I would like to see like, uh, actors who have had legitimate martial arts backgrounds that have parlayed that into a action career that can make the hop up, like the jump over. Yeah. So like if Tommy from the green Power Ranger fought Sam Punk, I mean, for years Tommy wanted to Tommy and John Claude Van Damme

and trying to fight for years You know what There's a lot of love for the big boys Big O'Boy There's a lot of love I think Mark Romandie had like the line of the night Parker Porter looked like a 90s WCW job wrestler

Yeah He did he did he did he did He did. That is true. He looked like something. I couldn't figure it out. I was like, yeah,

yeah, that was it. It was like Booker T versus like Sergeant Parker Porter Porter and he just gets jobbed out in like a minute and a half. That was a fun fight though. Obesies heavyweight fights are the best.

Parisian's a good fighter too. I don't know. That was, I don't know what the lines were on that fight, but probably goes down as a decent up. upset. But good on Parker Porter.

One of the first NBA events I ever went to, I saw Parker Porter fight John Jones, a young man named John Jones, and he got knocked out in 36 seconds. You saw that live? Yeah, in Wellington, Massachusetts, 2008. John Jones, I think it was his fourth fight, maybe fifth.

But Dan Lozano was on the card. That's the only reason I went to see it. Silver Roy Jones Jr. would be cool. So there's your celebrity fight right there. I think that could be an actual professional fight too. Yeah. I'm assuming we're talking boxing. Oh, yeah.

Okay, yeah. God, yes. Yeah, not even more. No kicks. No kicks, no ground. Okay. Just double checking. Just double checking.

Yeah, so does Roy Jones's performance tonight make you more enticed, make you more eager to see Anderson's Ova versus Jones? I've been more... I've been more... To see that fight for 10 years, I still want to see that fight. It just confirmed

that I want to see it. I completely agree with Jose. Yeah, I think... To me, I think Roy Jones's performance tonight, it goes, okay, he's still can fight, he can still take a shot, you know? So, yeah. I think, again, like we said at the beginning, I think Roy Jones fought like this was an exhibition, and Mike Tyson fought like

it was a fight. Like, I have a... I don't... know this. I'm not in Roy Jones's camp, but in my mind, if Roy Jones is like, oh, this is a professional fight for a real belt, I'm going to destroy Mike Tyson. I feel like Roy Jones would beat Mike Tyson in 2020. You think so? I do. If there was an actual piece of hardware on the line

and you get a championship, like a real belt from a governing body, I feel like Roy Jones could beat Mike Tyson in 2020. Do you think if they do the rematch, it should be a real fight. Do they need to this exhibition thing again? Do you think they, do you think they proved enough to the commission, to the general audience, to the boxing and MMA media, like we matter, but that, like, no, these guys should be able to fight a professional fight with real judges, real knockouts or whatever. Because I was thinking during the fight, I was thinking, okay, they went eight rounds.

I thought both guys looked great for their age. but at the same time I didn't want to see either of them get knocked out that wouldn't feel dirty you don't think I felt dirty if you want to saw Mike Tyson just flattened out

If a 50 year old knocks out of 50 year old I wouldn't feel dirty If it was Mike Tyson fighting like I don't know like Usec and Usec just to cap then I would feel bad

but if they're both like 53 and 56 I don't feel bad All right What did you think Mike was there any moment where you go, man, it's like, maybe I got to the third round. Okay, I just want to see a competitive decision. Or did you want to see, like, I want to see a knockout.

I got to get some violence in here. I don't know. I wouldn't say completely satisfied with the fight, but I was, I was, I was satisfied enough. Like, Tyson tried to take his head off in the first two rounds. And then I think he realized, like, all right, this is an exhibition. And Tyson is still. was throwing hammers, but he used like

landing hard to the body. I wasn't trying to like decapitate him like past the midway point of the fight. He landed some nasty hooks though. Yeah. I mean, we got to see like glimpses of the old Tyson in the fight which is which was kind of fun. I think yeah I was watching a vest year and I said oh it feels like I'm watching our greatest hits

and since that I got to see we got to see little visions of like Prime Mike Tyson for like no three or four seconds at time. Little visions of Prime Roy Nelson, you know, Roy Nelson Roy Jones, no. I agree. Roy Jones, you know, doing his thing, you know.

I agree. Like, yeah, when he, there was, like, moments, you know, oh, yeah. He would do his head movement and he hit him with that jab. I'd be like, he got, guys, he did it. He did the thing. He did the thing. He did the thing. And then, like, Mike Tyson was, like, coming in like this.

Then he switched and went to the bottom. I'm like, he did the thing again. He did the big time. We used to watch. That's why I felt the fight was, to me, a success. Because we got to see what we wanted about feeling dirty to me. Do we do Tyson versus Holyfield now? Holyfield might be...

You know it's coming, right? That might be... That might actually be a bad fight, though, as far as just entertainment. Mike Tyson versus Buster Douglas, part two. Why not? God, Buster Doug is like $350 right now. I bet he's bigger than that. Yeah.

I guarantee you if they did Tyson Douglas 2 in 2022, it would just, just shatter numbers from like the generation that remembers that. But Tyson Holyfield with the casual viewer. I mean the casual viewer of Douglas and Tyson too. Like there's a reason we call like any major upset. Like that is the litmus test. Like, oh, the Red Sox beat the Astros. Is it a bigger upset than Holy, than Douglas over Tyson?

Like, no. All right. Let me get some last question. Excuse me. Last questions in here. Oh, someone asked me, am I drinking a beer? No, I'm not drinking a beer. I'm drinking a La Croy.

The Cua. This is berry flavored. Zero calories. Hips, soda. Yeah. Hipster water. What are you talking about? This is a good stuff.

That's what it's called. Yeah, it's delicious. That's just what people refer to it as. What about hipster water? What's that mean? It means you're too cool to drink real water, so you've got to put flavor in it. Okay. Fair enough.

What you got me? Sandy fam. Good to see you. Hypothetically, if the Cyborg Harrison fight happens, who would win? That's an interesting question. If they're not right now. I favor Chris, but it would be a fun, it would be a great fight. I don't think Harrison is by any means out of match,

but I just think Chris Cyborg hits, I still think she might hit harder than Amanda at Featherweight. Amanda just cleaned her clock that fight, but Cyborg just like, you don't look the same when you fight her. So Kayla Harrison has never experienced that in any capacity, I think. So I'd favor Chris. Plus Chris Cyborg is a phenomenal grappler. She's a great jiu-jitsu practitioner.

or so Harrison is not out by any means, but I heavily favorite Chris I've got. Yeah. I mean, she's going to get, she'll have, what, at least four, five more fights before that fight could even happen. Yeah. She'll do, she's going to do one more evictive fight. Kayla's for sure. I think Kayla's the strongest, already the strongest featherweight out there in terms of physical strength. Like, she has, like, cannons on her arms.

So, but that's a super interesting fight. that happens. I don't know. Right now, Chris, but down the road, I'm sure Kayla is going to put out, she's going to be in the fight no matter what, but I favor Chris. If she does go to Belator, I don't want to see them throw Kayla Harrison into that

fight right away. Give her like one, give her another fight first. It doesn't even have to be a Julia Butt. Throw her in there with like a Jesse Meal. I feel like Bellator has been pretty good at that. Like all these fighters that come over from the UFC, they get like one fight and then like Sergio Pettis got the treatment like

I think Bader fought Phil Davis right away but I think they were he was coming off like a long win streak in the UFC and then got slotted in against a former UFC champ so who did Corey Anderson fight first Melman Melman Melman Manhoof yeah Melvin Manhoof um who did Lorenz Larkin fought for a title in his first fire right Lima yeah but that was the Nes G card they wanted to stack and and Larkin was coming off wins too Larkin was coming off wins in the UFC Anderson was coming off, obviously, that knockout. Sure.

So it's a little different, I think. I think lately they've been doing a pretty decent job of giving them one fight before the big fight. So I feel a hair. I'm just desperate for it. I remember Musasi, his first fight was against Alexander. Shemiko.

Shemiko, who? Shemiko almost knocked him out. Yeah. I was there. Almost lost his eye. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

He was lost his eye. Yeah. Yeah. He almost ended his career. Yeah, he got hit so hard. He was on the M.MA hour right after. Then Benson Henderson does his first fight in Ben, Antonio? Against Koreshkov at Welterwood.

That was a mistake. That's when. That's also when Benson Henderson had one knee and just didn't. Like, for those of you who don't know, like, I'll say it for him because Benson is not going to make excuses. Benson basically had one knee for like five years before he had surgery. So I remember I would see him at like local Arizona shows And I didn't it looked like he was struggling to walk up the steps to corner people

Let alone fight a human so all respect to Benton Henderson I sat cage side for that fight Koreshkov was Just slamming his shin against Ben Henderson's face over and over again like he was just peppered on Henderson's like didn't even bat an eye He just kept moving forward. I was like, how is this guy human right now? Benson and Anderson is an underappreciated former champion in the UFC? 100%.

Unfortunately, he's not a Walterweight. He needs to understand that. He is not a top level Walterweight, rather. He is not a... And he is, I think he's a perfect 165. Yeah, most likely, yeah. Guys, we have been labbing for. over an hour now.

Really? Yeah, an hour and five minutes, actually. We had two cards to go through. Yeah. Anything, any other crazy, uh... Uh, la la la la la. No, I think, um... I think we, uh, Mr.

I think we already answered this, but he really wants us to talk about this, so, um, we can go, we can help out Mr. Tristan. Yeah, I was, I was waiting for Tristan Gordat. With another finished by, Baezza, who do you like the most out of these top prospects at Walter Wade? Baezza, Rachmanoff,

Sean Brady, Chaos, or Chamaif could name others have not mentioned. So, who's your top... Who's your top Walterweight prospect right now, Jose? Ooh. Like, who do I think

is going to do the best business? Who do I think will be a former champion? Like, what are we talking to? Who do you think... Sorry. Go ahead. Oh, for these guys, who will be fighting for a title first?

Hamzaat. So you think Hansa will fight for it? You think Hamzaat beat to Edwards then at Diasin? No, not not. I think Shama, like if we're talking about in general, who will fight for, who might put my money on to fight for a UFC title at some point in their career? Hamzaat, chaos, I still have a lot of questions. He's awesome.

I think Chaos Williams is awesome. I just, there's still some questions I need answered. Rockmanov is has a ton of fights outside the UFC so I think he's like he was seized like I wouldn't even call him a prospect anymore he's new he's not a prospect like Bayeza and Brady I think are good prospects so I think Shemayov and Rockmanov are going to fight for the title sooner rather than later this is tough it's real tough because I want I like all these guys I want all these guys to fight and we literally named all these guys when who should fight who yeah um know. Actually, I honestly, I like Rockmanoff, the best. I just know, I don't know, actually know very much about him, but I just kind of got that

feeling that he's got, there's something very dangerous with that young man. He was awesome at the, on the Fight Island Press Conference, post-fight press conference. He was, the only thing I kept telling him, I told his

because they had a one of, I can't remember if it was coach or trans or whatever, because he would answer the questions, looking at the translator who had to sit about 10 feet to the left because they couldn't be up on the podium together or the table together with the mic so we would have to ask him and then the translator would translate over here and then he would tell him and he was the only fighter that would answer his questions at the translator so I kept telling him like look over here

cameras are right here the cameras right here and at the end at the end he looked really confused then the translator told him and he was like he was the most apologetic so good guy like that guy a lot I'll tell you what out of all these names Brock Wadoff has the best win out of all of them like considering game value performance all of that like chaos like

chaos knocking out Alex Barano is probably a close second if we're talking about I still give I still give Moreno some benefit of the doubt considering it was a very last minute fight and Chaos Williams

I had no one had ever heard of them. So win is a win, one fair and square. If they fight again, it could easily happen the exact same way. But I want to see it again at some point. Actually, I think chaos has went over Al-Assan was even more impressive, to be honest. I think, remember Al-Assan before he had, Al-a-san was like, he was on a streak before he had that little legal troubles. Then he got pieced up by Lazzez, though.

Yeah, but remember that fight? Lazz was an O-and-O in the UFC. Yeah, but he was an Instagram fighter. But Alassan was out for two years. Yeah, almost. He was out for two years. He had to come back to fight that guy. I think, so I thought before Alizan had his issues, which is calm of that, I thought he was like an extremely good watch-to-weight prospect.

I was never sold on him. Really? I think beating Hamasi, he fought him twice just because the first one was weird and then he knocked him out. I'm like, I'm not even, I'm not high on Hamasi as an Uber talent to begin with. So when he won twice, I was like, yeah, like now we can move on. And then we just never really did. So I was never really overly. I think submitting Cowboy, like submitting Cowboy Oliver is super impressive for your USC debut.

My only issue is Cowboy had that bad weight cut. And it was one of those bad weight cuts where there are two types of bad, there are two types of bad weight cuts. The weight cut where you just don't give an F and you just take the cut or the weight cut where you actually, you actually bind up being a worse. fighter, you know, because you didn't make weight. But, um, yeah, but, okay, we are way over. Listen, you know what? We got things to do, man. Hold on. Bob, they're playing us off. Paying us off, man. We're playing us off. What a night. Oh, what a night. November 28th, 2020 will be etched in our minds forever. Will it? Probably. You know we're doing, you know November 28,

2021. We're going to be running highlight videos of on this day one year ago. Jake Paul knocked out Nate Robinson. Out cold. What a night it was. That was a cool knockout. It was a cool knockout.

It was interesting to see what happens with him next. But that'll do it for the UFC Vegas 15 slash Tyson versus Jones post-fight show. Appreciate you guys watching and listening. Next week, we get Jack Herbansit versus Barbatory. So there you go. And there's a dog.

And you can tune into the, and you can tune in to the A-Side on Wednesday. I'll be 30. Whoa. Oh, man. So gross. You'll be 30? I will.

Wow. I thought you were younger than that. No way, dog. Oh, there you go. Welcome to the club. Welcome to the club. Anyways, for Jose, for Jose, Casey Lydden, Esther and the Dog, I am Mike Heck.

Thank you all very much. Good night, everybody. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.