MMA Fighting - On To the Next One: Matches To Make After UFC Vegas 39

Episode Date: October 10, 2021

On the 62nd episode of On To the Next One, MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck and Alexander K. Lee put on their matchmaker hats following Saturday’s UFC Vegas 39 event at the APEX. Future matchups were discussed for Marina Rodriguez, following the biggest win of her career in the main event, Mackenzie Dern, Randy Brown, Matheus Nicolau, Mariya Agapova, Chris Gutierrez, and more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I am Mike Hack, and as always, I'm joined by the Prince of Positivity, the co-host, the co-matchmaker, and the best friend to us all. Mr. Alex K. Lee, how are you, A.K.? I am a best friend to everyone, but I really only have one. Let's not dilute the meaning of this word.

I have one real. Oh, hello, hello. We're back, we're back, we're back. We lost you for a second, okay. We're back, okay, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry, I was just going on a rant about how, Mike, you are my best friend. I do appreciate everyone else who calls me that, but let's not dilute the phrase there. Okay, I have one.

You and I are best friends. Speaking of lovely, people can't see now, but you are outdoors. You have a lovely palm tree behind you. The sun is shining down on you because you are in Florida, apparently. For people who I'm sure I know you've mentioned The other shows, people who don't know You're such a Massachusettsian That I think we'll need to be reminded

You no longer live in Massachusetts I do not I live in South Carolina You sold out You sold out You sold out You sold out You live in South Carolina

You chose warm, sunny, beautiful weather Over, you know America's number one sports town But you know I just thought I wish people could see You look radiant Right now

You look You look refreshed, taken away from that, that, that, God bless Massachusetts, but the weather, you know. I'm so much happier right now, I gotta tell you. Not the best. Not the best around this time of year. Yeah, Friday. You know, I should say, it's fall. You got some beautiful fall weather, but yeah, another couple of months and you'll really be like, South Carolina's where it's at.

The only time, the only time I like Massachusetts weather is like right now, September through like November, like 10th. And then I'm just done with it. And I just don't care. Winter sucks. Spring is like an extension of winter. Summer is like pretty awful. And then fall is awesome for like a month and a half. And then it's just like, what are we doing here? So Friday, yeah, Friday we did the preview show through the wife and the kid in the car. We drove to to the villages here in Florida, which is like an hour and a half north of Jacksonville. So I drove through Duval, even like some of the radio station things. Like when- Shout out of Duval. Duval all over the place. And then, yeah, probably like an hour south of Tampa and Orlando. So we're just hanging out. It's a 55-plus community.

People are very lovely. The weather is lovely. And we're here to do some matchmaking, AK. I'm excited. It looks amazing. Yeah, it looks amazing. Yes. So let's get into this.

And let's tip the proverbial caps to Marina Rodriguez, who had herself a great night on Saturday in the main event. She not only dominated the lion's share of this fight. with Mackenzie Dern, but she went through hell in that second round, and she lived to tell the tale, survived over four minutes on the ground with McKenzie Dern. It was impressive that she was able to survive because not a lot of others would be able to say that. Four rounds to one, the win for Marina Rodriguez. This one seems too easy for me, AK. I think you might be on the same page with me, but the question is, if you are, will the UFC in this name, will they be on the same page?

I certainly hope so This name We'll drag this out as long as we need to This name has not competed in some time Somewhat understandably Given that their most recent fight was an absolute war I mean If we were being realistic

And if fighters were paid more And they were able to have the luxury of taking time off And MMA obviously wasn't such a great spectator sport Like this person wouldn't fight for like three years After their most reasoned fight But again this is this is the fight game this is a professional athlete they're they're going to have to get back in the eventually I think but she seems very happy kind of just living her life and even if anyone

has seen her Instagram she's just she's a you know she's a big Polish celebrity now she's living her life of course we're talking about the former champion you want to Jacek I mean that's such a great matchup for Marina this is one I think people have been mentioning for a while even before this big win I think people were saying this just would stylistically physically is really good the only question is when is you want to coming back if ever, I'm sure she does want to fight again. And as Marina Rodriguez said, it's really tough to break into that top three right now with Yawanna kind of holding on to that spot.

Now, we've removed her from our rankings, the MMA fighting global rankings, the only ones that matter. But in the somewhat relevant official UFC rankings, Yowana's held on to a top three spot for a long time. So I do think Marina deserves her chance to take that spot. Let's hope that this one can be made either by the end of the year or early next year. Yeah, it's definitely Yowana. I thought Marina played it perfectly.

She said she essentially wanted the fight, but she did it in a way where she kind of no-sold Yowana and said that she didn't deserve to be in the rankings. You know, I think she already turned me down, so maybe I don't want to fight her after all. So I dug the way she approached it. That's the fight. If not, she'd probably have to fight Janjonan or Zhang Wei if Rose wins again on November 6th. But big win for Marina. And I love the fight with Yowna. That just screams a fun fight stylistically.

It's just really, really good, and I think it's a great fight for both women. And while it was a great night for Marina Rodriguez, it was a tough night for one McKenzie Dern. Her winning streak ends at four fights, at least for right now, her path towards a UFC title is halted. This seems like to me, AK, the perfect spot for Tisha Torres. Give Tisha the kind of fight that she's probably earned at this point. McKenzie takes a little bit of a step back, but again, still a really tough opponent, one who will give her some fits on the feet, tough to hold down if she does get the fight to the ground. I mean, I just don't see a whole lot of other options here, AK. I think that's the way you go with this one. You do McKenzie Dern versus Tisha Torres.

Your thoughts on that potential matchmaking and your thoughts on what's next for McKenzie Dern. Yeah, I know that that's one people like to think, especially when McKinsey Dern was coming up. I'm still into it. I would have liked to have seen it, I think, before the Marina Rodriguez matchup. But again, since she lost to Marina, it's true. It doesn't really make that match invalid. I lead more towards the name you mentioned for Marina. Jan Shaanan, I actually like that for McKenzie Dern.

I still have, I probably have Jan ranked a little bit higher than most people still, so that's probably a me thing. But I do think that would be a good, quote-unquote, bounce-back matchup. Favorable, I think, as we've seen, that Jan Shanan needs to work on her take-down defense a little bit. Dern is not a great take down an artist, so maybe this would be someone who, you know, she could try some new things on and maybe have some success there. Or if she can't, if she can't take down Jan Shonan, then we're really getting an idea of a McKenzie Dern ceiling. So that's one reason I like that one.

Where's Claudia Goodellia, Mike? I have no idea. No clue. I feel like we have suggested her for like every straw weight in the world at this point, and she hasn't fought in so long. It's weird. Maybe her and Yohanna are like best buddies now, and they're just hanging out to her. together and they just live in life right now.

They're filming a reality show right now. The surreal life part two with Yawanna and, and Claudia. What a story that would be. Yeah, the Mike Heck and A.K. Lee of the UFC Straw Week Division. Yeah, I don't know. I have no idea what's going on. I like Goodalia in both of those situations, but she's nowhere to be found. She's a mystery at this point.

I know she's posting on Instagram, so we know she's hanging in there. She's around somewhere. She just doesn't really want to fight right now, and that's fine. Make that money, son. Speaking of making that money. If you can afford it, we always say, if you can afford not to fight, chill, relax. Yeah, relax. Relax.

And Randy Brown might need to relax a little bit after wrecking his toe early in his fight. The co-made event against Jared Gooden. He goes on and wins a clear-cut decision. Gooden missed weight. And if I'm being honest, him missing weight didn't seem to bother him all that much. missing weight and I think Randy Brown made a tremendous point. I think it's because he doesn't make a ton

of money right now. He's sort of on that introductory UFC contract so him losing 20% is nothing to him and it's really nothing for Randy Brown's. There's no incentive to make weight for Jared Gooden against anybody right now and I get where he's coming from but Brown goes in there he wins

Gooden's game. Randy didn't struggle all that much in there despite Gooden being tough and being game and Randy Brown despite having nine working toes was kind of feeling himself a little bit. He was having some fun in there. Talked a little trash, so, a.k. Rude Boy is won two straight. He's four and one over his last five fights.

What's next? You know, he just still needs something to kind of move him up in their rankings. I think he's had a lot of UFC experience. It's weird. I just still feel like he's not even close to his best yet. So I'm not ready to just throw him in there, top 15, top 20, but I'm going somewhere close there. I like Nicholas Dalby as a matchup.

We just haven't seen Nicholas Dolby in a while. There's certainly names above them that you can match Randy Brown with. I know a lot of the listeners, I think we're maybe a little more enthusiastic about how high they wanted to, how high of an opponent they wanted to match them up with. But I like Dolby. Fun matchup. I have him a bit higher than Randy Brown in my rankings. And I think it's doable.

But as you said, we don't know how long Brown will be on the shelf. So we might see Dolby sooner rather than later. Yeah, I'm going. I actually went with Jake Matthews on this one. I think we're kind of in the same boat. I feel like Brown's. closer to that top 15 conversation and he needs to fight guys closer to that space i wasn't a huge fan of this matchmaking i mean gooden's an exciting guy but i just felt like randy brown was

like no offense to jared just because of the experience and the victories he's put together it was like 30 ranking spots ahead of him at the very least so jake matthews is kind of in that place where he should be fighting top 25 top 30ish and uh you know he's coming off a tough loss to sean brady but i think this one makes sense for both guys i think this is a a good rankings-wise sort of bounce-back matcher for Matthews, and I think it's a step up for Randy Brown. So I think this pays the bills in multiple ways,

AK. Yep. No, I like it. Featured bout was in the flyweight division. Mateus Nicolao has won four straight now. He's 2-0 since his return to the UFC. I still thought he lost them in Al-Cop fight, but I've moved past that, AK. I am beyond it.

I am. I'm past it. He beats Tim Elliott in a fun fight, a gritty fight, and I've zero-ish with the decision here. There are some people who thought Tim Elliott won this fight. I'm not really sure which fight you were watching if you felt that way, but to me, good win for Nicola. I think he should fight the winner of the January boat between, I think it's January 15th between Brandon Royval and Hajirio Bonterian. And you can even do the loser of that fight. Either would make a lot of sense, but he should get one of those two guys after this win on Saturday. Because I don't, I just don't

think, like, I don't think this is going to be a guy after fighting Tim Elliott in any way, perform that's going to be ready to bounce back in like a month or two to get back in there. Maybe maybe he will, but I feel like he's going to have to recoup a little bit after fighting Tim Elliott. So I like that fight. Either Roy Val or Bonterine, winner or losers. Fine. Yeah, you are correct. That's January 15th. So we have, by the way, I'll mention it later. We had a lot of people not acknowledging next, like these, or not aware of these matchups that have been booked for early next year. So, and I understand why it's a bit ahead of it. I like that. I do like that. I'm going to go with a,

the winner of a fight that's a little bit earlier. And this is not what I think will happen. This is definitely a, just like if I had a magic wand pick, I would love to see Nicolao get the Kai Carra France, Cody Garbrandt loser. Those guys are fighting UFC 269 December 11th. If Garbrand loses, I would think there's like no chance who would fight Nicolaou. Carra France, I could see it would make sense.

He'd probably want to hold him to his spot. And I have them very close in the rankings. But yeah, I'd like to see that happen again. And for me, I think Garbrent, Nicolao would be really intriguing. but definitely if Garbrandt wins, he's not fighting Nicola. They're probably just giving him a title shot. So it's a very specific scenario, but I would like to see him get one of those guys, and it's probably the loser, not the winner.

Yeah, I'm with you on that one. And I just kind of thinking about that fight, like, if Cody Garbrandt loses the Kai Kar, France, like, what happens now? But that's down the road. I mean, where could you go from here? I just don't know. There's really, like, do you just go to some other organization and fight at 115? Like, what else can you do if you lose to Kai Car France?

And Kai's a very good fighter, but I mean, this is a matchup the UFC setup Taylor made for Cody to win and look good and give him a title shot. But if he loses, which is very possible, I don't know what happens. With Instacart, you get groceries that over-deliver, so you can over-share your preferences. Want russet potatoes with no brown spots? You got it. Want turnips that look light but feel heavy? Easy.

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Actually, that's not really true, but I would love to get into a big debate with you about Maria Agapova's next opponent after that one-sided drubbing of Sabina Mazzo that she had on this card. But there's no debate to be had, okay? Because Agapova is back at a big way. She silenced all the doubters. She wants Marina Moro. She wants to hurt this woman.

She didn't use the word woman in her promos. But Marina, if you guys didn't know, you can go to m.mapiding.com and read the exact terminology. But Marina Morose made some accusations about Agapva being a druggie, threatening teammates, stalking fighters who are married. And even called her, quote unquote, the UFC junkie. So, AK, Agapova wants Ms. Morose to pay for her sins. I, of course, want to see this fight. Morose currently without a dance partner, now that I look at it,

because she's had to withdraw from four fights in a row for different reasons. So I think it's a sign, AK. I think the universe is giving us a message that we need to see. Marina Moros fight Maria Agapova, right? Yeah, the only thing that gets in the way of it is what you just mentioned that. Moro's just for whatever reason, health, other reasons cannot seem to get into the octagon. But it should be booked. It should be booked.

If it falls through, I think there's a wealth of options that are closer to Agapova in the rankings. Mandy Baum, Top of the Ritchie, I don't know, Vanessa Domopoulos, I don't know, if you want to keep her. But I don't mind giving her that jump up into like, well, I mean, I think, Moros is a top 20 strawaway. I know she doesn't fight frequently, so people kind of forget. But she's got, again, quality wins, that big win over Jojo. I mean, that's still very fresh in my mind, even though it was a few years back now. So, yeah, I think it's the way to go with it.

And it's a good test because, like I said, even though Morose does have the talent of a top 20 flyweight, she just doesn't fight enough. She just doesn't fight enough. So she shouldn't be like in the minds of the matchmakers. I don't think she's that far ahead of Agapova, especially after the performance that Agapov just put on. Yeah, the heat is there. It's not absurd from a ranking standpoint, even though there is that gap in UFC experience.

Book it. Well, is it definitely going to happen? I don't know. So much can go wrong with these things. But you have to at least try to make it happen. Yeah. That's a fight to make. Do you agree that Agapov's stock rose more than anybody on this card, including Marina

Rodriguez? Oh. Oh, that's, it was a bounce back. It was such a huge bounce back. because they, I had not gotten off the bandwink. I know the Shana Dobson fight was really discouraging for people. But what I saw was a talented fighter making an obvious mistake. She gassed out.

Like, and again, and then the stuff comes out after for Moros. I don't know how much of it is true, but she is a young fighter. I'm sure there is a lot of growing pains. And she mentioned her post-fight cryptically that she had gone through some difficulties and other things. So I don't know. I don't know if she's referring to that. But just in general, it's tough being a young fighter. So it's understandable.

So she made a young person's mistake and lost to a tough. fighter in Dobson so um yeah i i just did her stock she bounced back really well Alexander Romanov bounced back really well i'll go i'll go that far i mean i would say marina because i think even jumping like one or two spots in uh once you get to the top ten of a division is like super difficult um but i'll say there's there is a case for agapva and it was good that happened on the main card and it's named like mazlo so it's her her or a hudriguez but yeah, I'll tip the cap to Agapova in this case. Yeah, I would agree, especially the way people sort of viewed her after the Dobson fight.

And yeah, I think people kind of forgot about that. Sometimes it's like the Tiger Woods effect. Sometimes you do dumb shit and you go and win and you win impressively. And it's like it's like it never happens. Chris Gutierrez kicks off the main card. Nice win, bit of a slow start, a very emotional ending where he gave some props to Mark Montoya. for quote unquote saving his life. He would not be there without him.

And from past conversations I've had with Chris Gutierrez, he's not lying about that. There's a guy, Chris Gutierrez has been through a lot. And guys on a run right now, he gets a decision despite one judge scoring the spell for Philippe Colars, which makes zero sense to me, and have no idea what fight he was watching. So I didn't like either of the scorecards.

I didn't like 3027 for Gutierrez either. But I scored it a clear, undisputed, undisputed, undeatable, 29, 28 for Gutierrez. Clear win. Colaris even being mentioned on Twitter. Even Coleris, like if Claris's brother said Collaris won the fight, I would have been like, what are you talking about? But be that as it may, Gutierrez wins. What is next for the Factory X standout? I like Alejandro Perez for Chris Gutierrez. Someone was asking before the show, what does Chris Gutierrez have to do to kind of, like, is he ready for a top of Dino? Oh, sorry, would a win put him in like the top 15 or the top 20?

And we kind of said the division is just so deep. And like I said, I have him at 32, even after tonight, because that win over Colaris does not for me put him over Brian Keller, her, Montel Jackson, like, Saeedner Magamatov, or Alejandro Perez, who I have at 27. So Perez, Perez needs to, I think, still kind of regain sort of the momentum that he lost, because he was off for like two years almost or 18 months. So he was out for a long time. And I think Gutierrez is right in his range.

I think it's a perfect fight. Hat tip also to Marcus McGehy, one of our listeners, who recommended this after Perez beat Johnny Eduardo, recommended Chris Gutierrez. So maybe that was in the back of my mind when I made this matchup. But yeah, I like that one a lot. This is a weird one because I will go with Nathaniel Wood for like Otno point purposes. I think that fight is awesome.

I would really like to see it. The striking would be impressive. Um, how I think this goes. And I think if I'm advising Mr. Gutierrez, whether I'm his manager or his, or Mark Montoya, the best thing he can do is heal up and get back in the gym ASAP and get ready in case something happens with a lot of these Bannonweight fights that are coming out. Kelleher, Syed Yocub, they're fighting, uh, Julia Arse is fighting Song Yudong. Uh, Adrian Yonnas is fighting Davey Grant. Like these are fights that if something happens and one of these guys can't make it, he needs to be.

ready to slide right into. Like activity is huge, especially in a loaded division like this, and he's in a position to fight either one of these guys right now. So if I'm him, I'm just getting ready. Something short notice comes up, jump all in, and then carry some of that momentum into 2022, get yourself into a top 15 spot and put yourself in a good position because Gutierrez, while he's on a nice run, he's so technically sound, and I think he's super underrated. A lot of these guys at 135 look at Gutierrez, and they're like, nah, nah, I don't think this guy's that big of a deal. So hold on one second. Hey. That's, uh, that's, uh, Mike's got a friend, uh, he wants to be on the show. Uh, maybe it does not agree with Mike's matchmaking for

good. I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought you're, I think that's great matchmaking channel. I don't know. I don't know why there's a, I don't know why there's a protest. Yeah, we're in the bill. Yeah, we're in Florida here and stop, stop disrupting the neighbors. Good grief. They're trying to walk and get the vibe. And you are not scary. You are the least scary stock in the world. doing you just chill out uh so yeah so that's chris scudierrez uh time for the wild card round we're going to select one fighter we have not match made for yet let's go to the wild car it will match making for him right now and not a ton to choose from nine fight card a k which by the way tremendous i think we all win and then we all got to rest up and watch one of the greatest

boxing fights of all time in the heavyweight division between tisdivir and diana wadher what a fight that was but uh your wild card pick coming out of ufc vegas thirty nine uh i have two because because I have a feeling I knew what yours was going to be. Mike, I don't know. Can you go first this one? I think I know who you're going to pick, so I have an alternate pick. Okay. I am going with the fight that we talked about very passionately on the post-fight show. It's a fight that people want to see. It's a fight that people aren't ready to give this man his due because of what happened in his previous fight. So let us just answer all the questions.

You made this stupid fight to begin with, and it had a weird ending because it was a stupid fight to begin with. But now that you've made it, we've had such silliness come out of it. You have to do it again. The fight, the wild card fight to make is the rematch between Alexander Romanov and Juan Espino. Romanoff Espino, too, is the wildcard pick. You got to make this fight, especially with what you've already done, the awful seed you planted. Now we're here. Just run it back.

Let's see what happens between these two guys. One guy moves forward. One guy takes like a small step backwards. Let's just get this done. Move on from this rivalry. And one of these guys is going to make a nice little boost up the heavyweight rankings. Was that where you were going to go with AK? Or are you shocked by my choice?

No, no, I was going to pick Ramonov, but I do want to see him fight the Ben Rothwell-Pazel winner on November 13th, preferably Ben Rothwell. I don't know why I'm suddenly fixated on this match up, but I understand the call for the Espino rematch. I'm sure Espino would want to run that one back. He felt that Ramana was overselling a low blow late in the fight, which led to, I mean, I guess he was on his way to losing a decision anyway, but maybe Espino thought he could have gotten the finish. and turn things around. It was a technical split decision. Very weird. That can't be very sad.

That can't be satisfying for either guy. So I don't mind that. But I went with Lupi. I got to go with my adopted Canadian, Lupi Godinez, representing BC these days. Proud and Mexican fighter as well. And I want to see her, I think, fight the Ariane Carnalosi Estella Nunez winner, October 16th.

I'm going real slow with Lupida. I think she looks like definitely a legitimate talent at 115, but I saw some of the listeners really throwing her up there in the rankings, and it's like, guys, this was her seventh pro fight. It's calm down. She's only been fighting since 2018. She has done very well thrown in there against more experienced fighters than herself. I thought there was a case for her to have beaten Jessica Pene.

I mean, certainly once she hit the power bomb, the fight should have just been over right there. Very exciting, especially a very exciting wrestler. But I think she needs to route out her game more before doing anything crazy. So I'll go with that, the winner of that, Carnalosi Nunez, October 16th fight. Yeah, I got no problem with that whatsoever. Yeah, Lupe, Slupi, slow your roll. Everybody slow your roll on her. Yeah.

And what she did, the most impressive thing about it is, and I talked about this on the post-fight show, Loopi Godin does doesn't have full camps. This is the fullest camp she's ever had for a professional fight. All of her fights, they come on like two weeks notice, three weeks notice. She's just like, okay, I'll fight them later on. month or later on, like sometimes later on this week in some cases. Like, just go in there and fight. So she had a full camp. She worked with different people. She went to Mexico for a little while with this one and worked with Alexa Grasso,

which was a huge help to her. So giving her a full camp gives her the chance to kind of bounce around a little bit, cross-train, do all these different things. And she's definitely somebody you got to watch because what she did, what she did in those four minutes and change, she could have done for another 40 minutes. And there's nothing Gomez-Horres could had done about it at all. So good win for her. Excited to see what is next for her. Do we have any, any listener braggadocious behavior? Any check the tapes? Any mic check? Not really. I mean, Holland Daucus, too, got rebooked, which is something everybody wanted.

So shared point for everyone. We all said that fight should be rebooked. I wish the listeners were right that, well, to put it on the Stochis Derek Lewis card, but obviously they didn't happen. But that's fine. I think that everyone's happy. It just got rebooked. So good job, everyone for just calling for that one. And though Barry O'Reilly said that was someone who picked Kyle Dawkins versus Joaquin Buckley, which apparently I think we said he needs to

we wanted him to explain himself. I think we were not fans in that matchup, but he said he said he had an explanation that would have made you and me say, oh well, when you put it like that, of course that's the fight to me. So we will not get to see that explanation now. It's a mood point, but Barry, thank you for

addressing that. I don't believe you. And, yeah, I'm sorry, we're not buying it. Nate Andrews has a, I will say he has actually suggestion for a new segment. He says, I don't know if this is in the Otno bylaws, and he knows that I love rules, hashtag rules, rule. But he's proposing a permanent change to the show, or not a show, just, it's just, it's just, a MA fighting programming in general. He says, every time Mike reports any MMA news on Otno and related podcasts, it must be called a mic drop. And he said, I thought of this yesterday when Mike called out through premature Giga Chikaze Calvin Cater Fight announcement. So he wants to see more of this, you tackling the hard news in the way that only you can, Mike.

I will say, I think it's cool, but I don't think people realize that you actually do drop a mic every time you do these. People don't know. And you drop them like off your desk. We have to, Fox Media actually has to send Mike a new mic every time he does these. So I don't know if it's in our budget. They do, uh, Vox Media does not accept Otno points apparently. I tried.

I tried. We've been trying. We've been trying. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. We're like, are you crazy? We're like, do you guys know, like, what the value these will have like a decade from now? And they're like, no, just, you know, money only.

This is coming out of our budget. And it's like, all right, fine. Well, we're generating all this ought no points. You guys don't want them. It's fine. So I kind of like the idea. We can make it an informal thing, Mike. Yes.

We could do that. You do a lot of bike dropping. Yes. People ask about it. I got to give them the news. And listen, like I said before, I'm not saying that the UFC is not going to go ahead with this Cater-Chiccada fight because it seems like it's going to happen. But to go out there and report it, trust me, behind the scenes, this fight should not have been reported. I'll just say that.

It's probably going to happen, but it probably should not have been reported at the time it was reported. So Tom Foolery going on. But it is what it is. AK, let us go to the peeps. Why don't you go ahead and do the disclosure and all that fun stuff? Very quickly, yes. Guys, as you know, we try to focus on winners, but you know, send in those losers' picks and everything, and just to have them on record, just to remind us if you want a not know point and it's something we missed. It's all on record.

It's all in there. So feel free to nudge us if you did have a cool, like, loser pick that turns out coming true. Scattergories rule, let's try and focus on unique picks. But again, we'd like to read all your guys anyway. Fighters might already be booked, guys. Watch out for these kind of mistakes. Wrong weight class. They might have fought recently.

And if you didn't say it's a rematch, I'm going to assume you didn't remember. Someone could be injured, released, et cetera. And then your pick much should be do-do, and we don't want to read it. So there you go. Look inward, as I always say, guys. Look inward if you're wondering, why didn't my pick get read? It's like, well, we've laid it all out for you. Yes.

All right. We're going to fire through these. No repeats. I'm going to do the best I can. Brandon Nunez. Romanov versus Shamele-Ovdorahimov, Mateus Nikolav, versus Asker-Assarov, Rainy Brown versus Michelle Paheda, McKenzie Derns versus Tisha Torres, and then Haudriguez versus Joanna, number one.

one contender fight. I think those are some pretty agreeable picks for a lot of people. Our friend Sean Conwizzle 91. Hey Mike, glad to see you guys are getting more popular every week. That's right. That's right. I'd really like to see Marina versus Joanna. Okay, so we'll skip that one. Another Michelle Paheda, Randy Brown

fight. Nicola v. David Devorak, since most 125ers in the top 10 are booked. He doesn't like Agapova Morose right day. It likes Agapova versus Ariani Lipski. Don't mind that. Chris Gutieres versus Jack Sure. Someone's winning streak has to end. Wow. And he likes Romanov versus Sergei Spivak for a spot in the rankings.

So, yeah, I would like to see that. There's not a bad choice at all. I saw a lot of that. Guys, why do we want this Moldovan on Moldovan crime? Sergei Spergevac is from the Ukraine, but he is, I believe he is also a Moldovan citizen, fights out of Moldova. And I had someone mentioned that that was something they thought of. But, I mean, why?

Why do it? This is the only two Moldovan heavyweights. like at this level of MMA, why I told them against Joe. I agree. Wildcar pick. Vendera versus Jarges Danjo, the mountain versus Man Mountain is still alive,

says Poppy underscore Brian. Is he still with the UFC? Is he still at Google? I think so. I think so. I believe he is. I believe he's coming off a win, too, if memory serves it correctly.

He likes Gutierrez versus Kyler Phillips, and he's with you. Nicola v. The Loser of Kikar, France, versus Cody Garbrandt. He likes Randy Brown versus. potentially D-Rod.

He picked Michelle up ahead as well, but he said for the Otno points, I will pick D-Rod. There might be an interview with one D-Rod dropping on the MMA-F fighting YouTube page soon, and I don't think Randy Brown is on D-Rod's radar. I'll just put that out there. John Ray.

Sorry, Mike. My internet conked out for a second. What was he said? They were with me on which pick? They were with the Nikilau, Nicolao versus the loser of Kikar-France versus Cody Carbrandt. I like that.

There we go. There you go. John Ray, what the heck? How much blood does Damon Jackson have? There you go. With that, he wants Damon Jackson to fight the winner of Duho Choi or of Choi versus Casares. Shiloh seems like the fight.

Stop barking everybody. He likes Roboto v. Spivak. Chris Gutierrez versus Nate Manus. That is some chaos that would not be opposed to. John Ray also likes Mateus Nikolaev versus the winner of Matt Schnell versus Alex Perez Randy Brown versus Alex

Marono, Mackenzie Dern versus Claudia Gadalia, if we can find her. Yeah, right. M. Ruffles 115 back on the show. He's just saying nope, sorry Carla.

Rodriguez versus Asparza. Let's just do it. Number one contender fight. Brown versus Biazza. Gutierrez versus Casey. Romano versus Ivanov. I mean, there's some fun hashtags to be had there. Jackson versus Duwado, Godinez versus Marata, Steve Garcia versus Euros Medich.

Bonus, pipe dream with Joshua exercising the immediate rematch. If Fury beats Wilder, then do as Fury talked about with fighting in Ganu in the Octagon with small gloves with boxing rules early quarter 2022. Boxing rules and boxing salaries. How about that? Yes. That's a mic drop, A.K. Call Vox.

Tell them you get some Otno points you need for a new microphone. They're not taking points. Damn it. Owen Carroll. Garcia versus Jou wrong. Godinez versus Corey McKenna. I like that one. Jackson versus Paneda.

Carol, kind of a little bit of a promo here. Charles Rosa is a dirty fighter. Endless cage grabs should have been disqualified. Yet the refs said last warning after the fifth cage. grab absolute effing disgrace wow blame the referee hey blame the referee don't blame charles rosa if you if you ain't cheating you ain't trying just don't get caught i agree he shouldn't be doing it like i understand the sentiment he's a dirty fighter but man like if this is as as as uh this listener said that it was five having like five times and then a warning and no point i'm sorry you're

dumb if you don't keep doing it i agree I'm sorry. Romanov versus Latifi, Goudierrez versus Phillips, McKenzie Dern versus John John. And he also said, if round two was a 10-8 for McKenzie Dern, then round three should have been a 10-8 for Marina Rodriguez. I don't agree with that,

because I felt like McKinsey Dern was in a very good position to finish that fight. Well, I don't think Marina Rodriguez was close to finishing McKenzie Dern at any point in that fight. So, listen, I'm not a... judge, but that's just how I looked at it. I had neither as a 10-8, but I would have leaned more towards the round two, Dern, being a 10-8 than the Marina Rodriguez round three.

But I understand, again, damage is the number one criteria, and if you felt Rodriguez did that much more damage in round three, then I guess could be a 10-8, but I like, I actually go with what you said, Mike, that it's weird to say, I think Dern was closer to the finishing, but did less damage. while Rodriguez did more damage in round three, but wasn't close to finishing. So it's kind of, it's kind of a weird way to look at. That's like for me, I think neither was a 10-8.

But I guess I see why Mike you would say 10-8 for round two. And a lot of people thought 10-8 round two. Yeah, I mean, it was over four minutes of dominance. Mounted, I mean, it was just, it was nothing Marina could do. Shea-Otoole, aka turd Ferguson. Randy Brown versus James Krause. Agapava versus the winner. of Priscilla Catua

versus Jillian Robertson, Gutierrez versus Hottiyaya, Romanov versus Tanner Bozer. I believe Bozer has a fight book, although we weren't able to officially confirm that one. I'm trying to remember with who. It's someone who's ranked,

it's someone who's ranked but hasn't fought in a long time in the heavyweight division. I have to look it up. I'll look that up. Jackson, Grenada, Godinez-Kovilkevich. If she's still around, I don't think she's been officially released.

And then Steve Garcia versus Mike Breed, and that actually seems like a pretty fun fight. It's not Bozer Pavlovich, is it? Yes, that's the one that's being rumored. Okay, okay. Yeah, yes, this sounds familiar now. Probably driving people around has sent in his suggestions. Winners. Wait, this listener's name is probably driving people around?

That's his tag on Instagram, probably driving people around. So he's probably an Uber driver and listening to On to the next one right now, and that's great. Good for you. We appreciate that. Agapaba versus Antonia Schifchenko, aka hashtag Battle of the A. Oh, sorry, who sent this to you again? Probably driving people around. Wait, I also, wait a minute.

This is on Instagram? This is on Instagram. Did you double-dip? I think they hit me up on, is this Michael. Did you click on, is this Michael Perughey? Mike Pergeney. Oh, okay, okay. Oh, no, he's double-dip.

Smart move. No, that's fine. No, we encourage double-dipping. Smart move. Yeah, yeah, no. There's no rule, by the way, there's no rule against double-dipping. Message Mike, message me. It's the best way to make sure your things get.

Battle of the A, that's not a great hashtag. Agapva is her last name. Antonina is her first. Michael Pergini, look, we love funny hashtags around here. This one wasn't great. This one wasn't great. He likes Gutierrez versus Alejandro Perez, Romanov versus Sergei Spivak,

Damon Jackson versus Ryan Hall. Ryan Hall is booked, by the way, against Derek Minner. Derek Minner in December. Loopy versus Ashley Yoder. I don't mind that one. Steve Garcia versus Yerosh Medich. The hype around Medich may be a lot lower than it used to be after losing to Jalen Turner, but I think this is a good prospect versus prospect matchup.

He likes Dern Gaddaily. He likes Gooden versus Impakasang and I. Elliot versus Rebooked Sundarji. Mazo versus Lipski. did they fight? Did Mazin-Lipski fight or no? No. No.

It didn't. I'll have been to do a match-up for some reason. I'll take a quick-click right now. Kalaris versus Gravely, Vandera versus Chase Sherman, Rosa versus JSP, JSP with the big win, Antevers versus Jai Herbert,

but Herbert is fighting against Kamalworthy next week? Two weeks. Two weeks that fight's happening. And then... Lipski and Mazel was never fought. I just wonder, it must be something

that's come up on. ought no. Yeah, must be. That's it. You know what? That's the one. That's the one. After Lipski with that crazy submission, then there was the start of the trend of Mazzol Lipski. Let's just get this thing done. Going to Italy. Go ahead. Oh, by the way, Michael Perughey, the turbo pick is his official ot-no. Yes. But only because, so he said, told, said to me on Twitter, he likes Gutierrez versus Kyler Phillips, but thought it was unrealistic. I don't think that's an unrealistic matchup at all. Me neither. I think Kyler's quite a bit higher in the rankings because he has the win over

Song Yadong. But I think that's it. Other than that, their resumes are pretty comparable. So it's just he has that one really good win over Song Yadong, which puts him over. But I don't have a problem that matchup at all. So I wish that had been your official pick, Michael. So if that fight happens, you are not getting a point. And you're going to be kicking yourself if it doesn't get made.

And I don't know why I'm chastising him, because, again, I love the Gutierrez-Perez matchup, but I don't. Our friend Francesco from Italy likes Nicola v. Agabava versus Gato. I would like to go slow with her. Gutierrez versus Montel Jackson. Romana v. Spivak, Dern versus Watterson. For a franchisee.

Do you say Dern versus Watterson? Dern versus Watterson. This has been brought up before. Yeah, I don't know. That's not a bad fight. No, I don't know. I'm not a issue with that. Let's see.

Sean Bradley, great scrap today. I'm a huge Dern fan and wanted to see more grappling, but I was super impressed by Haudriguez. She deserves Yowana next. I know boring picked, but you and AK better keep this up. I listen to all. I know every Sunday on my way to the lab. You guys are getting me through grad school.

Much love from Tampa. I'm not that far from you right now, Mr. Sean Bradley. And by boring pick, I don't mean boring fight, but I mean that's obviously the next logical step for Rodriguez. Can't wait for that fight. So, Sean Bradley, very confident that Ioanna will be found. Thank you, Sean. Stay in school, Sean.

Two more. Stay in school. Christian Lee, I'll keep it short and concise this week. Lupi versus Pollyanna, Viana, Randy Brown versus Jake Matthews, Marina Rodriguez versus Juani and Jaycheck, just three picks. And now we go to our good friend

Tristan Gordette back in our lives. You know what? I let him go. I kind of let him have it a couple weeks ago. All in good fun. All in good fun. So I'm going to read his matchmaking suggestions.

And then I'm going to read a question that we can respond to AK. Okay, that's how we'll make it up. let's see if he's got anything different. Walter Waite, Randy Brown versus Max Griffin. Randy said he's ready for an opponent that's in the top 15. However, I think he needs one more fight before he has that opportunity. I think a matcher with Max would be perfect.

The winner would then be ranked in fight opponents within the top 15. Luby Godinez versus the Juana Pinheiro. Godinez really impresses me in her fight against Juarez. I think a fight Pinheiro is appropriate for the level of competition. I don't disagree with you, Tristan. And then the question he has is, quick question. Didn't that fight between Casey O'Neill versus Antonina Schifchenko remind you of the fight between Gregor Gillespie versus Diego Faheda on how it went? Not to say that Casey was just as tired as Gillespie was, but I'm talking in terms of

wearing out your opponent. It was really just a matter of time. Both Faheda and Antonina were very tough in the first round. But when the later round started to happen, both Gillespie and Casey, then just started to gain momentum and take over the fight. In my opinion, Gillespie is the fighter that O'Neill really reminds me of. Do you agree with that sentiment? So do you see a comparison between Casey O'Neill and Gregor Gillespie, AK? I love a good cross-gender comparison. They're not easy to do. I think we've seen like Tatiana Suarez, maybe you get compared to Habib. But even that, but that felt like a reach. This is a little more substantial.

I mean, I like that they brought up the Gillespie Phaed of fight and said, like, it's not a one-for-one comparison. But, yeah, it's just the idea of their cut from that same cloth, these fighters who come from a wrestling background and are just able to outwork their opponents and then have a motor that, like, once a fight goes past a certain point, they have a motor that just keeps going. And other, you know, their other fighters in their division might not be able to keep up. And you can go a long way with that. Like, you can be, world champions, I think, have been made of fighters who maybe are not as skilled, as not as explosive a finisher as some of their opponents, but just outwork them. That's combat sports. I mean, you can make the case for Tyson Fury, who I think is a more skilled boxer than Deonti Wilder,

obviously much more skilled. But, you know, people will look at them and just say, oh, one guy has all the knockout power. But Tyson Fury, he just outskills you and outweil. works you. So now I'm drawing a comparison. I somehow ended up comparing Tyson Fury now to Casey O'Neill. So now I've taken it off the rails. But yes, back to the original question. It's a fine comparison and a good analysis, I think. Yes, Casey O'Neill is an animal. I just go back to the Q&A. I call that fight to a T. That's just how Casey fights, man.

She just gets better as it goes. A.K., we're turning it on over to you, my friend. Have at it. Okay. All right. Well, I'm just going to read a message that literally just came in as and I'll read it quick. I want to start with IG, but this came on Twitter. I'll read this first. From Watts Manor events on Twitter, I believe they've sent us both matchmaking things before, but this is just comments on improvements.

They want to see in the UFC. So match the fine percentage for missing weight as a courtesy for the fighter for still accepting the fight and competing at a disadvantage. So I guess, okay, oh, UFC should pay the fighter who decides to take the fight, pay them a little extra money.

I'm fine with that. glove and cage redesigns gloves need no explanation but I'm also tired of cage grabs maybe make the eight openings smaller

so fingers can't fit and you can post not grab I wonder if smaller openings would create make the cage more dangerous for some reason just sick of hearing

reps constantly tell fighters keep your fingers closed don't grab the cage etc fighters should be concentrating on their opponents and reps just concentrate on significant fouls

I agree something needs to be done about that but I think it's I think the fix for cage grabs is just take the point right away. Lastly, fighter pay. Okay, I got to read this. If the U.S.C. is un to increase the pay, what do you think about partnering with cash app and Joe Rogan for some type of tip your fighter

promotion where the winning fighter's cash app ID is shown along with their social media handles? People give out their cash apps on their birthdays or to help with the crisis. You'd be surprised how many people contribute. Walking Buckley's K-O-the-year, for example, could have made much more than an extra 50K. And he wants to know, oh, I'll I'll read the last part of this first. This is straight up, hey, this is straight up stealing from Cam Soda. All right, Cam Soda's first MMA event, who they were, they were allowing live tipping of their fighters. So I like the idea, Watts Manor events and anything that makes the UFC more like Cam Soda legends, I encourage, and I'm sure Jed Mishu would as well.

He also wants to know how, he says, curious, loves the show, you guys were awesome, curious to know how you and Mike met and become such, became, such great international friends. We have never met. Never in person. We've not. It's one I'm looking forward to very much so. I cannot wait. We have never met technically in person. But Mike invited me into his shows before. Before his MMA fighting days, he was running shows just like this one. And he took this young, he took this young, unwashed, aspiring MMA blog person and invited him onto his show. And it brought me into the anime community. So that is how we first met. And now we've ended up working together and our best friends. I'm trying to remember, I think the first thing you were on

was like one of the first, like, early iterations of Between the Links where it was like a group setting. And then after that, it became like we would do like Contender Series wrapups, I think. I think so. I think so. Yeah. And then, yeah, and then it was like between the links a couple more times. And I think you were on the final, I think you were on, you were actually the guest panelists on the final like non-MMA fighting edition of Between the Links. Oh, yeah, I think I was. I think I was. Oh, I was because I think it was Keith was with us and he was like, oh, you know where.

And I was like, and I was like, Mike, good luck. I like, I know you're moving on to stuff. Good luck with what's next. I swear, this is a shoot. I did not know that Mike was joining MMA fighting. I don't know if I'm a bad employee or they're just or they just keep. They don't tell me things. But I was like, Mike, good luck.

And everyone else, I think it was Keith, maybe someone else in the show were like, I think they're like confused. He was like, is he, like, they didn't know if I was being serious or if I was like, no, I really didn't know. Yeah, Keith, Keith, Keith somehow found out and asked me about it. I was like, oh, you're good. I don't know what else to tell you. Yeah, and then Davidson Baker shaved his head or showed up with a bald head. The greatest one would have a podcast. Yeah, I don't even know if he's still covering MMA these days, but Davidson just is a great young man, a great kid, and a man of his word.

So that's how we met. And now our best friends, co-hosting. one of my favorite podcast to ever do in my MMA journalism career. Can we meet in South Carolina and not in Massachusetts or Ontario? I love Ontario, but I'm saying I'm saying. If the meeting is anytime soon in the next six months, I'd much rather be in South Carolina than than in Ontario. I met Jed Mishu the other day in South Carolina in person.

That was your first time meeting him, right? First time ever meeting him, yeah. I met him. I also met him for the first time last year. I think during the holidays. He came up to Toronto. Yes, he told me. He said it was a wonderful day in his life.

It was thrilling. It was amazing. Okay, right. So, all right. Oh, yeah, I just want to read some of the popular listener picks for getting Instagram. Rodriguez versus Sparza, too, most popular. Jay Donaggie, first time contributor wants to specify. It has to be a five-round fight night number one contender fight, which I agree.

This is not a – don't just throw this on a random pay-per-view if you are going to make this fight happen. Well, then as far as it would probably make more money, though. I don't know. I don't love the fight. But a lot of people said maybe that's, you know, that's the thing to do if both fighters have to fight again before getting a title shot. And I guess there are a lot of assuming, yeah, J. Chick is just out of the picture for now, though that was the second also a very popular pick. But yeah, so they do as far as a two, I agree. Five-rounder, fight night.

Hopefully both women get paid more, whether it's pay for you or not. And you make that, and you got a guarantee no more contender if there is such a thing in the UFC. Randy Brown versus Dan Rodriguez, very popular pick. Marcus McGeahey, she's saying, this is the second time he's out for this, maybe the third. He gave it to me. So this one's for Marcus. He really, really needs to see this.

For Randy Brown, the two more most popular picks, Ponziabio, and I hate even reading this out. Tim Means. Guys, why are you not lobbying for Robbie with me, for Tim Means? I get it. It's a logical matchup. Randy Brown versus Timmy. Very logical matchup for both men.

But guys, come on. Lobby for Robbie. What stop this? Yeah, and I'm not a fan of the D-Rod. I'm not a fan of the D-Rod idea either. I mentioned batch up of any of the fighters. So there's a lot of heat there besides Agapova Moros, of course. And Agapov-Lipski.

Other than that, a smattering of other ones for other fighters. Gutierrez-Mannis, a lot of people wanted. Romanov, just everyone wants to him fight a veteran, whether it be Abdurakimov, the Orlovsky-Filippe winner, Ivanov or Elia Latifi. And some other good matter. Let's get into the specifics. So on Instagram, Buffalo Gums coming in with Tim Elliott versus Chris Mutino.

I guess Elliot could go up to 135 to take that fight and it would be fun. I just... I'm not going to call it crazy because we've seen weirder things happen in M.A. And if I make fun of it now and it happens, I'll feel like a fool. So Buffalo Gums, thank you, for that outside the box bit. Matt Bradbury always comes with some good cuts. Some of my favorites. I like...

Oh, I love... So he tried to sort out sort of the debacle with the Phil Haas and Daron win and Chris Curtis. And he just said, I think he's just like, move him all on from the situation. Phil Haas versus Puna Soriano. Chris Curtis, the action man, fights Kevin Lee? Yeah, I don't know. For UFC debut, that seems, I don't know.

Well, UFC debut? He has like 50 fights. He has like 50 pro fights. Listen, I understand, but we're also, listen, I, Chris Curtis is a super interesting dude. like a really interesting guy. But I can tell you this. And I don't know this for 100% of fact. I haven't talked to anybody from the UFC about this.

But it seems pretty obvious that the reason that Chris Curtis never got his shot is because he's kind of a silly goose on social media. He's retired like 18 times and he just takes every opportunity to dump on the UFC in decisions that they've made. So he's finally gotten his shot in the UFC. And like, and this is, this is probably with some reluctancy, if we're being honest. Because if it wasn't, he would have been there much sooner because the resume is there, the talent is there.

It's just things he's done behind the scenes and on social media that has been a turnoff to the UFC in what he said in certain interviews and things like that. So he's there. I don't think they're going to reward him with the Kevin Lee fight right away. And there's some dangerous fights at 170 that he could just have right now. Like him and Randy Brown would be fun. Like that would make sense. I would prefer that fight more than the.

Kevin Lee fight. But Kevin Lee is a big name. Kevin Lee is a guy like D. Rod, it was a perfect spot. Sean Brady, perfect spot to take that fight. If you want to do Randy Brown versus Kevin Lee, this, like you could do that now. That seems like a perfect opportunity to do a fight like that. But hey, Chris, you ripped on our promotion for four years because you didn't get a contract. And you know what? We're going to give you Kevin Lee. We're going to give you one of the, we're going to give you Kevin Lee. I just don't see it happening. I should have made Chris Curris my wildcard. I should have been thinking outside the box there. Great idea.

Oh, that would have been a great idea. Sorry, Chris Kerrits, we'd let you down. Well, then again, I'm also not convinced that this UFC thing's going to have her. I know you guys said he has a contract now, but until I see it, I just don't believe it. And then for Duran Wen, he said, Misha Sarkanov. I like that. I like that matchup. That's not bad.

Not bad at all. Physically, it would look bizarre because Misha is a massive middleweight. Deraun is a height-wise, is a tiny middleweight. but I think that's part of why I like it so much. And then Jared Vendera versus Parker Porter, which Matt Bradbury calls the definition of heavyweight MMA. I agree. It be a beautiful matchup.

Is Parker fighting? Oh, I didn't check. I didn't do my homework on this one. Oh, no. No, I don't think he is because he just fought. Who did he just fight? He fought, was that Chase Sherman that he just fought? I think so.

That was a heavyweight MMA fight right there. Really, almost any fight. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Possible. Almost any fight Parker Porter is in. is like, has a 50% chance of being the definition of heavyweight M.A. Carlos Torres, Buckley, Caseres.

I like a few matchups here. I really like Randy Brown versus Michel Pajera. Michel Pajera is such a weird guy because he's, like, rankings-wise, if you're being honest with, like, his U.C. resume. He's maybe top 40, like 30 in the 30-40. He's not a top 20 welterweight. No, like I love the guy. He's like my number one, like most entertaining number one, like my favorite. But like as far as what he's accomplished in the O.C, like maybe 30, 40, 40.

range. So that for me would be a step back for Ronnie Brown, but also name value-wise would be a step up from maybe some of the people Randy's already fought. So not a bad idea. You're going to hate this. He also recommended Romana versus Walt Harris. I couldn't hate that more. I could not hate it more. This is not what we do with Walt Harris. I shouldn't have read it. That was just to make you mad. No, I know. But even like Casey always talked like he hated the tie to Avasa booking. I know. I loved it. I thought it was perfect. You can't give Walt Harris a contender series rookie. You just can't. He's a ranked fighter. He should be fighting a guy that's either ranked behind him or about to jump into the top 15. Stylistically, Tuvasa is like the right kind of matcher for Walt Harris.

It's two dudes who are going to get in there and slug it out until one man falls down. Romanov is not going to do that. He's going to pick Walt Harris up. He's going to put him on top of the cage. He's going to do a superplex onto the mat. And I don't want to see that happen to Wallhaire. I don't want to see that. All right. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Carlos, but that's how we feel about it. M.MA had some good stuff.

Chris Gutierrez, Montel Jackson, Damon Jackson versus the Nate Landwer, Ludovic Klein winner. That's happening on October 16th. And Steve Garcia versus the Sean Soriano near Dunbique winner on November 20th, Forgive me, I was trying to remember near Dunbke's first name, but I choked, guys, I choked. I didn't write it down. I thought it'd be cool and remember it and just read it on air. MMA heads also comes in usually with Dana-white Contender Series picks.

So here I'm also trying to get these names right. Mike Malott, shout-us to Burlington, versus Takashi Sato, who we haven't seen in the UFC in a while, but he is still with the UFC. Carlos Hernandez versus Francisco Figaredo. This is absurd. uh, Fernie Garcia versus Alejandro Perez and, uh,

who's the Valdez who just won a contract to contender series? One, uh, um, it's a little, sorry, guys, a little,

uh, a little embarrassing here. Uh, what happened? Sorry. No, I'm sorry. Janaro,

I'm sorry. I was trying to remember the names of these. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, MMA heads was coming in with some,

some contender series picks. Uh, oh, so who was that, my hands, I'm sorry. This is, um,

yeah, M. Um, Jano, Aldeis who's the loser of Matt Sales versus Jordan Levitt. So yeah, there's just some contender series picks there. But I thought Ferni Garcia versus Alejandro Perez is a little unfair to Turbo. Turbo has really lost a lot of steam being on the shelf.

He's 8, 3 and 1 in the UFC guys. Come on. It's a crazy fight, though. I guess, yeah. Again, I don't know how much rebuilding Alejander Perez has to do, but apparently a lot in the eyes of some fans. but I am excited. I do like the idea of Mike Malat

versus Takashi Satas. Nice. Shout out of that. All right, to Twitter, some quick hits here. We've got some first timers. Actually, I should read these out. We've got some first timers here.

First from Hayes underscore Jack. They said, oh, Kevin Holland versus Randy Brown. If Kevin Holland drops down to welterweight, maybe not so soon, but down the line anyway. Sure, again. There's a lot of matchups that are opened up for Kevin Holland. if he can drop to 170,

if he decides to do it, he just has to do it. And they wanted me to go easy on them because it's their first official picks. Well, we'll see about that. Hey, maybe you score. At Fastbender Jay, also first timer, Randy Brown versus Lee, not Kevin Lee, Li, Yingliang, if he loses to Shemayev

at UFC 267 on October 30th. However, Fastbender Jay, you lose your point because you also said, Or Miguel Baezza. People, if you throw in an ore, I'm only reading this because it was their first time. If you throw in an or, you are ineligible for not, no point. Unless it's or, you know, two fighters who are booked.

They're like, oh, or this guy or this guy because they're fighting. That's one thing. If it's just you're throwing out multiple options, I don't even want to read it. But Fastbender Jay, your first time. Thank you for your giving. Seamus law, also the first timer. They said, big fan of onto the next, first time submitting. I think a spars a waste for a towel shot so I don't see Marina, getting that rematch.

Marina should ask for either Yon or Yohanna. Yohanna would be a better slate on her resume. as for the rest of the card. Some good picks here. Brown versus James Krause. I don't think James Krause is interested in that. I don't think James cares. Like, unless it's...

Yeah, if something happened with Jared Gooden and he didn't make weight, then Krause could fight him on 24 hours notice. That would interest James Krauss. But, yeah, I think Krauss would fight Randy Brown. I think it's... I think it'd be a fine fight. As long as it's not overseas and doesn't affect his taxes or anything like that, he's in.

All right. Agapava versus the Julian Robertson. Priscilla Catoero winner UFC 269 December 11th Godinez versus Carolina Kolvalcovic I think that's fine I mean

I mean she has to fight some Carolina has to fight somebody she's on a five fight losing streak there's no there's no matchup that's like oh well we you know this would be a it's a pretty good division so I just don't know if there's any matchup it's either someone that's going to

I don't know what you do with Kolkiewicz at this point in your career obviously yeah I mean I don't like seeing fighters get released, but I feel like, like, how is she not released right now? She fought for a title, so, like, her... She must be making, like, decent money. Like, are they just using her at this point to just put over

up-and-coming talent? Like, is that what we're doing here? If that's the case, and that matchup makes a lot of sense. And then Steve Garcia versus Mike Breeden. I like that. I like that, too. Yeah, I think it's a great choice for Breeden's second fight. Hopefully, with everyone getting a full camp. Barry O'Reilly, I'll read what they say.

said for Marina Rodriguez versus Amanda Lemoche. Now, now I know, hold on, hold on, I know LeMosch is booked. Lemoche is booked. I made a note to read this for some reason. Barry is a long time, oughtnope contributor.

Call me crazy. I said, call me crazy. But with the title fight booked, Asparza, hopefully getting next and Ioann's return still unsure, Rodriguez would be left sitting and waiting for a while. So why not book this fight as a Norman contender fight? and then they said Or maybe just to avoid Mike's wrath

Go with that Marina Houdriguez versus you want to getcha. I just want you to know that people are afraid of you, Mike When you know that people Actively fear you when they're making these picks Listen, I I don't mind all of them Like when you present it like that Like the face

The face I make is not because Lamos has a fight It's because like, huh But then at the same time like I like as, as, I would love to see that fight. Like I think Amanda Lamos could beat anybody in this division right now. I really do.

I think she could. I think she has a chance against absolutely anybody. And she's in a weird position. Like I said on the Post-Fitchell-Shulli of 1-15. She has so much upside. Her ceiling is so high. And like I think Marab could beat almost anybody at 135 right now. I would not count him out of any fight against any.

at Bannamweight right now. Just because of his style, his aggressiveness, what he can do. And now that chin that he has, holy cow, I don't know. Like, I just don't know if anybody even wants to fight him. And I feel like Lamos is going to be kind of in the same spot. So I love to see what that fight would look like. I think we're going to see it someday. I just don't think there's just no upside for Marina Rodriguez to be like, you know what?

Let's give this girl a shot. Let's give this dangerous fighter who's ranked like number 14, an opportunity to take by my number one contendership away. Like, it's craziness. But I would love to see it. I have no issue with it. No issue with the pick. So no wrath here.

No wrath here. You're lucky. Barry, this is the Florida weather. This is Florida. I'm just telling you right now. This is Florida, Mike. This is Del Boca Vista Mike right now. He's relaxing.

So thank you, Barry, for those picks. Terence Leverick coming. Agapova versus Manon Firo. Win or lose against Mayora Buenos Silva on October 6th. I like it. And another veteran matchup for Godinez, possibly Felice Herrick, if she ever decides to compete again. I know she's doing very good with her social media life. And I believe she's one of the early adopters of only fans. So I think she's been ahead of that. And I don't think that's her

main source of income, but it's certainly supplementing her income nicely. I don't think she's any rush to return to competition. So recovering from injuries to her knees all jacked up. She's and that's, I mean, she's 37. That's going to be a problem for a long time. Like I don't know how many fights she has left in her. And I don't know if she wants to be spending them potentially just putting over again, up-and-coming talent, right? So, yeah, whatever she decides to do. Good luck with that, Felice. Hayes, but third, reeling from a Texas Longhorns collapse. So, Hayes, we are here for you, my friend. Some good picks here. Randy Brown versus Jeff Neal. Now, I know we've kind of said Jeff Neal, we're still concerned about his health, but we said maybe he's, you know,

he could be thinking about coming back at some point in the next, you know, next few months. So he just said if he meets the timeline a fight with Jeff Neal makes sense for both sides for Randy Brown gives him a ranked opponent for Neil gives him a step down after turning from from clear health issues Godinez versus Jin Yu Fry again another veteran option which I like Marcus McGehee named this the second Rodriguez edition I didn't understand that right is that something I'm not getting the joke there the second Rodriguez edition of maybe it's because she headlines the Watterson card so maybe they call it

the Haudriguez edition so now it's just the second Houdriguez edition Okay okay that might yeah Maybe I'm just reading I'm trying to overthink it But anyway I didn't get that right Thank you Marcus although

Always for naming on no episodes Gutierrez versus Alejandro Perret Then I said he doubled down on that one Godineas versus this is going a different way with it Corey McKenna I'm okay I'm of the I'm kind of lean with Marcus like I'm just saying match her up with other people with one or two or three UFC fights

but and then Steve Garcia versus is it Daniel Zell-Huber? Yeah, oh my God. He's hurt, though. Daniel is banged up in that fight. He's ankle or something, right?

Yeah, so it'll be a while, but yeah, Daniel against anybody is, I'm down to see that. That kid, what, you know, he's only 20 years old or 22 years old. Holy smokes, this kid's going to be good. I feel so old now. Dax likes Agapova versus Montana de la Rosa. I like it too. Steve Garcia versus Mike Davis has got to get back in there

he's one of the top five most matched up Otno names since his last he hasn't fought since January Mike do we know do we know if it's just so so I did like a really in-depth interview with him after his win on Fight Island and for some reason that interview never got released oh it was wild like it was one of the wildest interviews I've ever done

and it never got released for some reason but Mike Davis heading into into that fight was, like, extremely injured, like, really badly injured, should not have fought, basically fought with one hand. He broke his hand, like, before he got to Abu Dhabi, then suffered some really gnarly injuries in the fight. And, like, I guess he's cleared now. Like, I guess he's fired, like, after the litany, the laundry list of, like, really gnarly injuries this man has gone through. And just getting to the fight, the road of getting to that Abu Dhabi fight was wild. just all the got run over by a car while he's riding his bike like all this different stuff

and this thing never aired i don't know why it never got released but i mean this guy's gone through so much um and then just getting to that fight because he needed money he hadn't fought in over a year so and that fighting was his only income so like despite the injuries he couldn't pull out and he still had that crazy fight with mason jones and then he wins and then he has all these other injuries and he's trying to come back i guess he's cleared now so now we can start throwing mike davis in there and giving him some fights. But yeah, the dude's been banged up for a while, some really serious injuries. And apparently he's ready to put pen to paper sooner rather than later. So let's get him in there. I hope that fight is not forgotten when people are talking about

best fights of the year. But I'm not saying it's like a top five. I mean, it might be when to look back on it. It's at least in the top 10. That fight was so free. Good. Thomas Collins. I mentioned this. I have to mention this one. Nicolao versus the Roe Val-Bonterine winner, which was mentioned before. But he was the only one of the people who sent picks to me who remembered that Roy Val was booked. I had a lot of people saying Nicolao versus Roy Val and just not realizing that he is fighting Bon Terrine. So I'm giving an extra half point to Thomas Collins. And whoever else remembered that it was, it can be the Roy Val, Bonterine, winner or loser, not just Roy Val.

He is booked unless people mean, you know, win or lose. But that was not specified. So Thomas Collins and everyone else who remembered that booking, thank you. Extra half point if that, if he ends up fighting either Roy Val or Boner. all right that's a lot half point wow i mean that's like that's like giving somebody a quarter million dollars okay let's well and that's today that's now that's like in today's like the way the market is today tuchy next year next year who knows uh denny caps uh romanov versus aspiral i love it because i've been saying throwing aspinall with docus i'm just saying throw these young heavyways in

together i don't care what someone has to lose i mean it's fine it won't derail their careers so I think that's cool. Pound Town podcast, our pals of the Pound Town podcast, just wanted to, they just wanted to mention, they thought Jose Young's Halloween movie picks were do-do. What, why?

So their top three, they said Halloween movie picks was brought up on one of our pre-UFC Vegas 39 shows. Number one, sinister, number two, insidious, number three, the Babadook. I like the Babadook a lot. I'm not as much a fan of the sinister, insidious, this whole, all those Bloom House movies. A lot of jump scares, so don't really do it for me.

I think they look great. I think some very talented people involved in those movies. I don't love them. And then the Poundown podcast says, they agree with Jose, though, that the dissent is scary AF. So why do you call us Picks D-Doodoo? They said it with a smile, but still. And then some other picks there, that again,

that I've already ran out. But thank you, Pound Town podcast. And Four Corner Sports and Why to close out our Twitter, and I've got to get to get to the emails, because we got some lovely emails. Rodriguez versus Gadelia. Marina was supposed to fight Claudia at one point. I forgot about that.

I think this is May of last year. And yes, you can make Carla as a marina, but Carla shouldn't take another fight outside a title shot. Fight with Claudia. It would be an interesting test to see where Claudia is at in her career. And if Marina has the ability to knock out someone inside the top five or top 10, the last person she killed was Amanda Hebas and she was just inside the top 15. So also, Yawanna won't take a fight against Marina because it's not a title fight.

and there's more risk than reward for taking that fight. Sad but true. Dern versus Torres, I know you like that one. I'll just scroll down here. And then Agapava versus... This is another one for you, buddy. Agapha versus Casey O'Neill. Let him finish. Mike, let him finish.

Let him finish. He said, I know Mike is going to hate this, but let's not slow roll them. Casey is the king, then a king will set up to the plate to fight one of the dangerous women from Kazakhstan. Besides, who knows if they have... fight each other in the future. I think there's plenty of the time for them to fight in the future.

Make the fight happen so people could witness the future of the 125 pound division. Mike. Florida, Mike. Florida, Mike. Sure. I mean, I have no problem with the fight. Like, I have no problem with the matchmaking. I feel like the UFC has something with both of these ladies.

Like, I think they have something good with both these ladies. I think, and I'm not ready to put a gop of a, at least right the second into that into that next generational mix with the Blanche Fields, with the O'Neils, with the Cortez's, the Miranda Mavericks. Like, I'm not, I'm not ready. I'm not ready to put her in there just yet. One more?

Maybe. Now, if you want to do, if you want to do Aaron Blanchfield versus Agapha, I have no problem with that. That I have no problem with. I feel like they're on the same level right now. I feel like they've each got one win in the UFC. see. They each have

or does a Baca, was that a got in the second win? She also had like a super quick win in her first win which made her like this insane favorite in the Dobson fight. Okay, so they're coming off, they're both coming off decisive victories. I don't mind that. Like, if they want to do that fight out, I think Casey O'Neill's just way ahead right now.

She's three and on UFC. She just finished Antonina Shifchenko. It made it look easy. I know the first round is a little tough, but that's how Casey fights. Yeah, I think to push her back I mean, Casey O'Neill's ranked right now, too. She's a top 15 fighter at 125 after three fights. To go back to fight Agapava, doesn't make a ton of sense.

I'd watch it. I'd hell of watch it, as the kids say. But if you want to do Blanchefield versus Agaava, if you want to do Blancheville versus Agabava, I'm more inclined for that fight because I feel like they're on the same level. But you know what? Who is this person who submitted this? I'm sorry, this is Four Corner Sports, NY.

Four Corner Sports, NY. Let me just tell you something. Thank you so much for your submission. Wow. And well done. Thank you. Florida, Mike, is. Mike rules.

Lord of Mike is something else. Well, Fortimerick, your heart is going to melt to some of these emails. So I'm going to close up with these emails here. First timer, Jay Donagie. He called himself the Pocono Picker, I assume this is someone from Pennsylvania, something like that. He said, hey, everybody's best friend. Sorry, I chose potentially the worst fight card of the year to make my first official predictions. But here, this isn't the worst fight card of the years.

This is delightful. Are you kidding me? Not even on paper. Is it even paper, Jay. Jay, have you looked at next week's cards? No, I thought this car was a lot of. So I will read Jay's Some people have called for this before

Chris Gutierrez versus Timor Valley I keep forgetting that they have fought I think two times already right they fought in a World Series of Fighting or something like that so And I think they're one in one Damon Jackson versus Chris Fishgold And Romanov versus Spino 2 as you said Just make it happen and he said the gas tank rematch

No low blows or eyepokes allowed Jay low blows and eyepokes are already not allowed So I say I say the opposite I say you allow them. No disqualifications. Now we'll see who the real man is. Tom Roder. Sorry, let me queue up this.

I got a couple of queue up here. Oh, yes. Tom Roder. Randy Brown versus Max Griffin's, much before I like it. I'm surprised they haven't fought already. Haas versus Chris Widman, if and when Chris is healthy.

He just wants Phil Haas to move on from the Duran win fight, which hasn't booked a couple of times now. But I do think that's a great match for Chris Wythman. It's just the timetable is so. Yeah, we can. We definitely cannot match me with Chris Wybman right now. But I would love to see them fight in the future.

I do think that's a good matchup. And if you're Phil Haas's team, that's the kind of name you're going. That's why you pass on. That's like when they're thinking like, I don't want to fight a newcomer or a guy who's a veteran, but it's not well known like Chris Curtis. They want to fight guys like Chris Wythman. That's the guys that want their resume right now. So I like that, Tom.

Good, good suggestion. Casing Carpenter. Randy Brown versus Muslim Salakov. Nikolao v. Rematch, if he beats if he beats Zuma Gulov. on December 4th. They feel that Manel won the first fight. Last two here.

Josh Wincoup says, it was, I thought it was awesome for us to read out their picks. They said they were recently diagnosed with epilepsy and that really made their week. So Josh, good luck with that. And the one that really started for me from their picks.

Agapovah versus Tracy Cortez 2, contender series rematch. Sure. I mean, if they book that one, Cortez versus Blanchfield, I kind of want to see more. I know we're throwing Blanchfield

with everybody. Blanchfield got the big fat hoes job from the judges in that Cortez fight in Invicta. So I would much prefer to see that fight, see if Blanchfield get that one back. And in my opinion, improved the 2-0 in that series. But listen, you want to do Agapova versus Cortez? That's an interesting matchup because if Cortez gets it to the ground, it's going to be a rough night for Maria. But if she can't, it's going to be a rough night for Cortez. The newly engaged, Tracy Cortez, by the way.

She's engaged with Brian Ortega? Yeah. Have you seen the pictures, man? He just got that ring. He slapped a ring on that finger so fast. Oh, congratulations to them. No, you're all wrong anyway. Just rebook the Aldrich-Cortez fight that fell through.

I want that fight. Last closing us out, Ren Odenheimer, this is really nice. So I'm going to read, I've got to read this a long one, guys. So bear with me. He says, I really racked my brain trying to come up with a good opponent for Marina Rodriguez to face. And in the process, I gained a new appreciation for what you guys do. It's not easy.

I don't think Marina is ready for a tell-o-show yet, but she's certainly close at first. At first, I was going to suggest Carla Sparza, if it's Carla want to stay busy, though they agreed that she should wait. I then saw Carla beat Marina and then remember that Carla beat Marina a year ago, so threw that idea out. Then I thought Tisha Torres on her own little run. I know she hasn't booked yet. Then I saw Marina already has a win over Tisha just over two years ago, makes that rematch too high risk, lower worth Marina. And I wouldn't get her any closer to the belt. Then I thought Claudia Gidella for some nice Brasiliera on Brazilian action.

I know someone on the show would have fun with that hashtag. They had never previously, but saw Claudia's last fun. it was a loss. So threw that one out too. Finally, I sailed on Yohanna at Chechek. While Yonah is also coming off a loss, at least as to a champion, UFC loves their bounce-back fights,

and I think this makes sense. Marina's comments in the post-fight presser only make me more excited about it. Yes, Ren, I think we all want that fight. It's really, I think the balls in Yonah's court. And then he closed my saying, I have often told you how much I appreciate and enjoy the work, everyone puts in the podcast,

but I wanted to share something personal. Often, I listen to the shows using a portable, light-up Bluetooth speaker as I do housework. Well, my 17-month-old, Andre, has become fascinated by this. He loves when I turn on the podcast and use the speaker because of the sounds and the colored lights. And it's quite eager for me to either turn on the podcast or keep it on longer after housework. It's complete so he can take it all in.

So thank you all for inadvertently helping to contribute to some father-son bonding. So thank you, Ren. And shout-outs to Andre. Andre for listening. Hello, Andre. Hi, Andre. Thank you for enjoying the show. Yes.

What an amazing thing. I'm emotional. We've got to end the show now. Mike, we've got to end the show now. I'm emotional. Yeah, we got to take back this emotion, this, uh, the dam is breaking.

The dam is breaking. The dam is breaking. Why don't we just read off next week's card and that'll make us feel better. So join us next week. That's going to change my mood. Yes. Join us next week. UFC Vegas 40.

Uh, right now 11 fights. 11 fights. Uh, 4 p.m. So, an early-ish start time. So it's not like we're not going to be up all night doing this one. Uh, 4 p.m. prelims.

Norma Dumont versus Aspen Ladd, the main event at 145 pounds. Co-main event, Andre Arlofsky versus Carlos Philippe. Jim Miller is back, taking on the promotional newcomer Eric Gonzalez. Good for Eric. He deserves this opportunity. Manon Fioro versus Myra Bueno Silva, the rebooking from a couple of the pay-per-view. This is going down on this card. Julian Marquez versus Jordan Wright. is the people's main event in my eyes.

Love that. Great fight. Andrew Sanchez, Bruno Silva, Danny Roberts, Ramazan Amive. Really, man, that's going to be a grueling fight. Sojar U. Banks v. Luana, Carolina. Ladovitz Klein is back against Nate Landware. That is going to be chaos. And a shout-out

and a tip of the cap to Brandon Davis back in the UFC. Taking on Donna Botskarell and then just I mean, muscles galore in the opening bow. Ariani Carnalosi versus Estella Nunes that is gonna be a fun fight I want I'll be saying this probably later in the week when we do whatever preview shows and other any

other shows I pop up on this is the has to be the first card since they started the UFC rankings that does not feature a ranked fighter competing in their weight class Aspen Ladd is the only ranked fighter and she's ranked at bantam weight I think technically she shouldn't be because she's been out of action for so long but whatever the UFC's kept her in there so she is ranked I think like third at At Bantamate. So she is highly ranked, but she is not competing at Bantamate. So this might be the first time this ever happened in the UFC.

And in our rankings, we only have one ranked fighter, Mike, Sejarra Eubanks. That's it. And she's like at flyweight, I think number 15 or something, or 14 or 15. So it's a thin card as far as rankings-wise. But there's some good fighters on hearing some good names. So again, never wanted to respect any of the people competing. But this might be, I hate to use this word. This might be the worst card of the year on paper.

Worst UFC card. This is Strike Force Challengers. There's nothing wrong with Strike Force Challengers. That's a nicer way of framing it, actually. Yeah. That's a nice, I wish this was called a UFC Challenger's card. I'd be like, amazing. It's a sick UFC Challenger's card.

Sick UFC Challenger. And that's how we're going to approach it. We're going to approach it like a fight night card in the Contender Series had, you know, they had a fun night together. And out came this card. And here we are. Just right in between of the two. And it should be fun.

Like, it should be fun. The matchups aren't great, but I think the matchups will be exciting to deliver, and it'll be, I can't wait to get A.K.'s gymnastics scale on Friday, because I think we're bringing those back, so start thinking about that. Until then, thank you for listening to the program once again. UFC Vegas 39 is in the books, and always remember, don't take this stuff too seriously. MMA is supposed to be fun, so for A.K. I am Mike Eck. We'll see you back here next week. Once again, on to the next one, the podcast.

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