MMA Fighting - On To the Next One | Matches To Make After UFC Vegas 42

Episode Date: November 14, 2021

Max Holloway has a lot of options after his UFC Vegas 42 win over Yair Rodriguez, but is a third fight with Alexander Volkanovski the best, or most likely, one? This week, the On To the Next One squad answers that question, along with what’s next for Rodriguez following his terrific effort against Holloway after a 25-month layoff. In addition, future matchups are discussed for Marcos Rogerio de Lima, Felicia Spencer, Khaos Williams, Song Yadong, and more in the fallout of Saturday’s event at the APEX. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It is time to match make after UFC Vegas 42, one of the craziest cards of the year. Great follow-up to UFC 268. We had an incredible main event. One of the best fights of the year, a lot of finishes. And this is just a fun early afternoon card, which I love. I love when the UFC does this. But thank you for joining us once again. I am Mike Eck, and joining me as always, the co-host, the co-matchmaker, the POP,

my best friend, a.k. Alexander Kaylee, who is multitasking? I don't know what he's doing or not. I forgot what. Hold on. I was like, I was like, why? Why is the, Mike's audio looks like it's coming in on my speakers. I'm like, oh, right, because I... We're not cutting this, A.K., we're not cutting this.

God, dude, this. This is Sunday morning. This is life as an M.MA media member. Sometimes things get a little crazy. Oh, one. Hello? Hi, A.K. Hello, start again. All right, all right.

I'm not starting again. We're going. How are you, A.K. A replacement laptop, Mike. It's throwing everything out of whack. I still haven't watched U.S.268's main card. I don't know. I'm a mess.

I'm a mess. But I am caught up with, despite having a Saturday evening off, I am caught up with the festivities. What a great three weeks of fights. My goodness. Yes. It has been really good. It has been really good. And what a joy it has been to be an M.A. fan.

What a joy it is, a K. to watch Max Holloway fight. This guy isn't capable of being. boring at all, not in a boring fight or a boring round or a boring moment. I mean, Max Holloway is just awesome. And he had a great dance partner in Yaiya Rodriguez. Great fight. Holloway gets it done. I scored it.

M.MA fighting's official stance on the main event. 48, 47 Max Holloway, Yair winning rounds 1 and 5. Holloway winning 2, 3, and 4. But now it's kind of where do we go from here? and that shouldn't really be a question because the title fight with Alexander Volkanowski seems so obvious, but, A.K., there aren't a lot of fighters in the sport, and Max is one of them. He transcends titles. He transcends divisions. He honestly transcends the sport in a lot of ways because of everything he can do, the reach he has, not just an M.A., but outside of it, and everything that he's involved in.

So with that said, AK, is it the title, the third fight with Volcanowski, or do you think Holloway, maybe jumps to 55, takes a different challenge. What do you think happens next? Yeah, he has, I saw a lot of creative responses. It did seem like going into this. The Bolkanovski trilogy bout was the logical fight. However, I see now that maybe there is a strong contingent of people that feel like Volkinovsky has beaten him twice.

They just not need to be a third fight. So for me, as a Volkanowski supporter, who I think he is the best, by the way, I actually do need to see the trilogy show up, Mike, because I want people to, I want Volcanovsky to be able to erase any doubt that he is better than Max Holloway, which is a and risky because the second fight was so close, and there's no guarantees the third fight would go his way. It could easily, again, end very poorly, and Holloway could somehow beat him and be considered, once again, the best featherweight in the world, despite officially being down two one in the series. So, hey, if at least these guys fighting like five times and told him, like, best of five series, I'm not complaining. The second fight was so good. First fight, a little forgettable. Second fight, amazing.

I'm sure the third fight would be great. So that's me. I saw some great outside the box suggestions. Definitely some, you know, should he move up to lightweight, pursue some big fights there. But I do think, and I think that that will happen someday, I want him, this trilogy needs to be resolved. This sort of an orthodox trilogy needs to be resolved. Yeah. I think it'll end up being the title fight with Volcanowski.

And you can think outside of the box while still making the series, having the series, continue, right? Because I want to see it. And I say that because we talked about this on the post fight show. Remember in the pro, I know pro wrestling is in a much different space than it, than it was like 10, 15 years ago. But I was a huge wrestling fan, mid 90s, late 90s, WCW, WWF, ECW. And they would, it was very rare, but they would bust out like a best of seven series. I think it was best seven. Eddie Guerrero, Dean Melancho for the ECW television title. They did something similar with Booker T and Chris Benoit. I would love to see a best of seven between Volcanovsky and Holloway if Max wins the third

fight. Like, listen, obviously it's MMA. You can't control the narrative in that way. But, like, how fun would that be to watch these guys just fight seven times? Potentially seven times. And it would be a different fight every single time. I would dig it. I know it obviously ties up the rest of the division.

But who cares? Interim title fights all day long while this series continues. If there's other guys in the last. line, just do interim title defenses. Who gives a shit? This is like, this is just fun stuff. M.M.A. is supposed to be fun. This is fun. Volcanofsky Holloway over and over again. I'll watch that a million times. But in all seriousness, title fight, then you can do the super fun fights after that if you're max holloway. Yeah, I just, I love, of course, the ideas of best of five, best of sevens, if they could ever prearrange that in MMA. But like you said,

there's so much you can't control. And of course, the fights themselves are so damaging. You know, pro wrestling is damaging in its own way, but it's more sort of this gradual, often a gradual and tear, which is what makes it more dangerous than in some ways. But the fights themselves, man,

like imagine, well, of course, we're going to talk about Yayar in a minute. Imagine the Holloway Yarre Best of Five series. And all the fights were like that, you wouldn't make it past the third one.

I mean, it just wouldn't be medically responsible. They just take so much damage. So it'd be so cool doing MMA, but there's a lot of practical reasons it can't. But, yeah, it would be amazing. If we could do that and have guys be mostly in one piece by the end

of a seven-fight series, it's just not likely. And let me say this. Mike, we don't let's get political here, and I won't get too political. I will say, people please, we need to get vaccinated. We need to get a handle on this COVID-19 thing because Holloway and Yeir, it sucks that it wasn't in front of a live crowd, you know? These are the kind of fights, not just on pay-per-view, I miss, like, UFC Topeka. You know what I mean?

I want these small towns to be able to get these, not small, towns. What not, you know, other towns to be able to get these outside of Las Vegas and New York and Houston. I miss those fight nights and these other cities that don't normally get big fights, getting a fight like a Holloway-Wa-Wodriguez. So again, I know people have a lot of opinions on this, but I'm very pro-vaccination. I'll say, please, let's do what we can't people to get control of this. Holloway. He's got to be back in front of a live crowd soon. I agree. Now, for you, I hear, I hope he stays more active. I hope he recovers quick. that foot is nasty. He gets that well-deserved family time that he's that he's seeking.

To me, this is pretty easy. I know there's a lot of fun options for him. I like the winner of the Cater versus Chikaze fight. They're about to throw it on in January. Winter of that fight makes plenty of sense. And then Yair's not out of the title picture. Giga's not out of the title picture. Heck, even Cater's not out of the title picture at this point. So, winner that fight goes on fight Jaya and then we'll see what happens from there. But I like that idea. your thoughts? I'll go with a popular choice here. I think a Brian Ortega matchup makes a lot of sense.

It's, again, I said a minute ago, I just said something about health, and now I'm saying, hey, let's throw these two killers in the cage against each other and giving them even more damage. Rodriguez coming off a brutal fight, Ortega coming off a brutal fight as well. But again, they're just in the same area, rankings-wise, and once you get to this level at 1-45, I don't know if there are any easy fights, any non-damaging fights. So Ortega, take off all the time you need.

a year take off all the time you need. Maybe their schedules match up, and we see these guys fight to stay in contention. And honestly, I don't think the loser is removed from the telepicture forever. It'll just knock them back a fair bit. But whoever wins, you know, one fight away after that could get a title shot. Yeah, I think that is the most popular choice. But, yeah, I mean, you can't go wrong. As long as Jaya is relatively healthy, he's not out for a year or two years.

The more we see him, the better, I think. And, yeah, he can fight anybody. and I'm definitely watching. Co-mate event, Marcus Ruggiero de Lima, just runs through Big Ben Rothwell, Herb Dean, kind of losing his marbles out there. He's hesitating, he's unsure of himself, but the worst part about the Herb Dean thing

is that it unfortunately takes away from the biggest win of Marcos Ruggia de Lima's career. Big win, violent finish, and we might have ourselves a new player at heavyweight, A.K., two straight wins. He's three and one in his last four. What's next? Well, we'll talk about Hes and Herb more in a bit.

I'd be right. Let's put the shine on Marcus de Jere de Lima first. Great performance, 30-some-second TKO, probably on his way to winning the fight anyway. It just sucks. Like you said, the ending was a little bit muddled. It did look like a finish was coming within the next 10 seconds. But we never know.

Ben Rathwell's super tough. He was kind of going for a takedown. Marcos de Jare DeLima is a weird case because he showed a lot of talents at 205, never quite got over the hump. Now at heavyweight, he's kind of the same guy. It's not like you look at him like, oh, this is, well, he's a new fighter at heavyweight. He's kind of the same guy. But it is really now or never to see whether he is a player at this division.

So I say I want to go top 15. I'd like to see him take on the Augusto Sakai tied to a boss a loser, which I saw reports coming in overnight, Mike, might be rescheduled. It is rescheduled. It is rescheduled. Okay. Was it announced on the broadcast? It was.

It was. It was a broadcaster. Okay, okay. So there you go. So that fight is happening. I know a lot of people were wondering what was going on with Ty's fight. That December, U.C. 269, December 11th. So I like him taking on the winner of that.

Again, I don't know if DeLima is a top 15 guy. That would be a nice, that would get him. A win over one of those guys would probably push him into the global, the NBA fighting global rankings, I think. I don't really have a big explanation for this one. Tanner Bozer. You were supposed to fight Sergey P. Pavlovich in December, visa issues scratched it.

Pavlovich might find himself in another fight on that card, and who knows, maybe Delima gets right back there in a couple weeks and finds him. But I'll stick with Tanner Bozer. That's an interesting matchup. I think you've got to beat the Tanner Bozzer of the world if you want to be a top 15 guy and beyond. So, yeah, I will go with that. Can I just ask one thing real quick?

Because I forgot to mention this, AK, with the Max Holloway situation. Conn McGrager spent his entire Saturday talking. about Max Holloway. Like he was throwing out sarcastic tweets and throwing shade at him. And then this video pops up of Max Holloway on Connor's television screen and Connor pacing around all yoked up walking around his living room just staring at a television screen. Like what is going on here? Like Dana White was asked about this at the Post-Fite press conference and he said it's

even silly to talk about this because Connor is injured. Is it that silly? is it that silly to have this discussion right now? Holloway's not the most active guy on planet Earth. Would it be completely outside of the box to suggest Holloway McGregor 2 for Holloway's next fight, especially after all the silliness we saw on Saturday from Connor? Yeah, not at all. Not at all.

Like I said, I think that's a fight McGregor would be really interested in. Even though he has the win over Holloway, it was so long ago. And McGregor has mentioned it many, many times over the past few years on social media. Sometimes in a positive way, complimenting Max, sometimes, again, taking shots at each other, which we saw some of that earlier this week. And like I said, the sort of ridiculous home video, tough guy posturing. Gosh, a McGregor with nothing to do is such a dangerous, dangerous guy. Maybe the most dangerous version of McGregor is McGregor with too much time in his hands.

But no, it's not unreasonable at all. I would even call it likely. This is the sort of fight that if there was buzz about it in the next couple of months and ended up getting reported or officially announced, I don't think any of us would be like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe they. we'd be like, yeah, that's a... Max Holloway deserves big fights at this point. The Volcanoxia trilogy feels like it's there. It's going to be there for a bit.

Winner, he could fight McGregor and win or lose, probably still go back down to 145 and get that fight. So, again, it's not out of the question at all, and I think a distinct possibility. Black Friday is here at IKEA, and the clock is ticking on savings you won't want to miss. Join IKEA family for free today, and unlock deals on everything from holiday must-haves to cozy at-home essentials,

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is it even fair to book Felicia Spencer, AK? because it kind of hurts my soul to have to do it because she literally beat a quarter, maybe more of this division on Saturday, in Leah Letson. She's already lost Oman and Nunes. She's already lost to Norma Dumont. Yeah, she beat Letson.

There's nobody else, man. Like I said this on the post-fight show, and I'll say it again here. Her team, her manager, her whatever, agent, they need to get in a room on Monday with Mick Mayer, Dana White, whoever else. and just ask to get the F out of there. Like, just get out.

Head to Belator. Head to the PFL. Go fight Arlene Blanco. Go fight Pan Sorensen and Bellator. Try to get back to a Chris Cyborg fight. Go to the PFL. Try to win that, Millie. Like, I know the UFC is the dream.

Like, when you're a fighter and you're winning fights and you turn pro and you're on this nice run, like the dream is to fight in the UFC. But is it really when you're coming off of a dominant win and you have to sit on the sidelines hoping, wishing. that Amanda Nunes wants to keep fighting at 145 and even then you now have to hope that Nunes

loses the title to somebody along the way that is not named Norma Dumont the chances of that happening are near like it's nearly zero what a nightmare what a tough spot to be in like great you got a great win, great performance you get two paychecks

might even get a couple extra shekels from the UFC for getting a finish she's got to get out of there AK right Like, what do we do here? Like, you've got to get out of there. I don't know if the situation is that dire. I would guess she's making a decent amount of money in the UFC. I don't think she's obviously one of the higher, you know, higher tier paid athletes,

but she's probably doing really well. That's probably why she takes fights against Lee Letson's, why she accepted a fight against Danielle Wolfe. I think it's just making appearances. She's making good money. Now, if Kayla Harrison definitely leaves the PFL and for some reason, the league still decides to do either featherweight or lightweight tournament, if you're, like you, if you're Felicia Spencer's agent,

you're heading over there right away and going for that million. Again, and maybe you try and pursue a fight with Kail Harrison anyway, but definitely if Kail Harrison's not there anymore, and the PFL continues with those higher weight divisions for the women fighters, Felicia Spencer, do the damn thing.

But I don't know if they are in a hurry. I hear everything you're saying. Belator, of course, very logical. She can get another fight with Cyborg. There's just a lot of more options at 145 there. For me, I almost, I kind of defer, I had to go with something the listeners said in a previous week, Aspen Ladd. I think Ladd obviously should go back down to 135. I just, and Spencer would be very tough.

I think Spencer, I think the measurements look similar, but I think if you actually saw them in the case together, Spencer's probably quite a bit bigger as far as like muscle mass and all that. But I still think, lad, I just don't know how committed she is to 135, and I'd like to see her at least maybe take her. take another fight at 1.45 and then try and drop back down. So a lot of question marks about Ladd. I'm not enthusiastic about this matchup, Mike. That's just the name that that came up. Yeah. I mean, I saw it a lot. I don't think it happens. I just don't see Aspen Ladd being like, yay, I get to fight Felicia Spencer at 145 pounds and a prelim fight. Like I just don't, I don't know. I just don't see it happen. It will be probably a main card fight considering that Andrew Lee and Cynthia Calvio were buried on the prelims. But yeah, it's just a tough spot, man. Like maybe I like over

sold the direness of it, but I don't think I did. Like, if I'm then, like, just, there's no growth. Like, there might be a fight, maybe six months down the road that could be available to you, but why put yourself through that when you could just leave? You think if Felicia Spencer goes into the UFC offices and says, can you just let me go? They're going to be like, hell no, you're staying here for the rest of your life. No, they're going to be like, okay, bye. Like, thank you.

Thank you for your services. We appreciate you. Best of luck. Future endeavors. Like, I don't, I don't think they're going to fight around this. They're going to be like,

cool. Like, I get it. Like, we appreciate you. Here's a couple extra bucks for the finish. Good luck to you.

That's what I would do. Thank you. Thank you for resisting the Friday reference. You're such a pro. You're such a pro. Thank you. I was like, oh,

I was like, here comes. And I'm about all the listeners, too. I'm trying to think I'm going to all the listeners. I don't think any of the listeners who's just did, you know, Spencer to Bell, or Spencer to PFL.

I don't think any one of them made the Friday reference. So thank you guys. Classy bunch, all professionals here. Well done. Just top tier. Just the best listeners in M.A. right now. Now let's have some fun. Okay.

Let's head to Chaos Williams. Because what a win. What a finish over Miguel Baezza. This guy is a problem at 170 pounds. That power is game changing. A lot of people are ready to throw this guy right into the top 15. Throw them into fights at worst with Cusp top 15 guys. what do you think? What do we do with chaos now?

Yeah, Chaos Williams is fun as hell. I mean, we knew this when he debuted in the UFC. We've seen nothing but fun since. He has said people keep overlooking him. I did. I picked by easy to win. My picks, by the way, for that card were terrible. Please do not go to the other thanoffiting.com predictions. Horrible.

I think Mike you won. I did. With a six out of 11. Yeah, not great, but I won. We were not. It was not a great night for them, May fighting staff. But I think I picked three, three, maybe four with the main event. I think three heading the main event.

I'm not sure. For chaos, yeah, I, look, like you said, you can throw him in top 15, top 20. He does, he is reaching that point where, like I said, I think I need to stop being against him. People need to stop doubting him, and he deserves a bigger test. But, but I picked this fight before, and I'm sticking with it just so much fun. Maybe I'll give him the top 20, top 15 credit he deserves. Nico Price. Chaos versus the human embodiment of chaos.

Yes. Saturday was interesting because you go on Twitter and you see what's going on and it's natural for media members and other people to just go out and just throw matches together. They're just throwing darts,

putting it out there in the ether and trying to see how people respond to them. I got to say, and I have respect for all these people, leave the matchmaking to the pros. Leave it to AK and myself, okay? Because I saw so many media members. And listen, this is a fun fight saying,

the fight that has to happen. This is the only option. Chaos Williams versus Daniel Rodriguez. What? D. Rod has been one of your absolute stallions. A workhorse. One of the most active fighters on the roster. He enters the top 15.

He's a top 15 guy in my eyes. And he was just offered a fight with a freak. in top 10 guy in Neil Magni for December, but he was hurt after the Kevin Lee fight. So you'd think D-Rod, after being just honored and privileged with the Neil Magni fight offer, is going to be excited about fighting Chaos Williams right now? Cool fight, bro. It's a cool fight, but not now. Daniel Rodriguez has earned a ranked guy for sure when he returns from his hand injury.

And don't give me the, you can't give me the recency bias thing because this guy's fought like eight times in the last two years. He has a hand injury. He just fought not that long ago, beat Kevin Lee on less than two weeks notice, and now you're going to have him go back in the rankings and fight Chaos Williams because it's a fun fight. Get out of here with that crap.

A.K., my best friend, this is why you're in the seat. It is Nico Price. That is 100% the correct answer. Next question, please. Nico is ranked higher right now than Chaos Williams in my eyes anyways. He's coming off a good win. That's the fight without question. Stop overshooting these guys.

Stop it. Michael, please. We have not even gotten to the mic check segments of the show. I mean, there isn't one. I guess you have to manufacture your own. We don't really have one this week. I wish you'd name names. I'm sure.

Who was it? Who was it? Was it Jose Young's one of these jokers? Jed Mishu? No. Stop. Stop. Yes.

Oscar Willis? Was it an Oscar Willis? One of those guys? Leave the matchmaking to us, okay? Leave the matchmaking to us. This is what we do. This is what we do. We're the best in the business at this, okay?

This is why we have a pile of, you and I both have a pile of Otno points in a sock under our bits. This is my Otno coffee cup with all the Otno points just sprinkling around in there. That's a lot. So many. Yeah, that's just like, that's just what you have on hand. That's your liquid ottoe points. That's not even what you have stashed away.

Yeah, I have so many in the bank right now. So many. in the little safety deposit box. But let's move ahead to one song yong. Big win stops a very tough guy in Julio Arsei in the second round. Two straight wins after the tough loss to Kyler Phillips seems to be coming into his own a bit more. And I still, AK, cannot believe that this guy is about to turn 24 years of age with the amount of experience that he has.

It's a tough one because even at 23 and three quarters, he's fine. like a lot of these guys already. So I'm going to go to the winner of Sean O'Malley versus Hali-on-Pyva, aka whoever wins that fight, fight Song-Yodong. That makes all the sense in the world to be. Song-Yadong has already fought all the Arizona guys already. He fought Casey Kenney, fought Kyler Phillips. Why not try to sprinkle in a third if Sean O'Malley could beat Holly on Piva?

You're favoring, yours, you're going more O'Malley than Piva, I assume. You mean if O'Malley wins, yes, and I think he will win. Okay. Because Piva, I believe, is teammates with Song Yadong, right? Yeah, that's true. Yeah, because Piva's now at Alpha Mail. Yeah, so O'Malley. Either way, O'Malley versus Song Yodong is the next fight.

So, excuse me, I forgot. We all know. No, no, Mike, we all know that's what you meant. You are infallible. We just explained this. I'm wrong. I was wrong. So, no, no, what?

Whoa, easy now. Edit that out. Edit that out. We'll fix that in close. Hold on. Hold on. Break. Okay.

Mike, that's a great. Mike, that's a great pick. O'Malley, yeah, you're right. If O'Malley beats Paiva, you're right. I mean, because obviously Paiva and Sondiaga teammates, you wouldn't suggest that. Only a fool would, as some of our more coolest listeners did. So a great job, my great matchmaking. Excellent work.

Great, good stuff. I went with also sort of a speculative matchup, Asun Sao, Ricky Simone winner. I was really thinking Asen Sao, I forgot that he was booked to fight Ricky Simone, December 18th. So, yeah, again, step up, top of Dean. Simone will be, I don't know if I quite have my top of Dean, but he would take us and South's spot. If he beats him, us and Sal would keep his spot if he beats Ricky. So, yeah, again, Song Yadong, another guy I keep doubting,

probably because he's so young. He's a great fighter. He's a really good fighter. And I need to stop underestimating. Yes. We now move ahead to the wild card round the prelims where bananas, AKs, there's a lot of fun options here. Who is your UFC Vegas 42 Wildcard Select?

We're going to matchmate for a fighter. We have not matched made for yet. Could be a loser on the main card winner on the prelims. Your thoughts? I probably should have gone with Andrea Lee because I did make quite a kerfuffle before the show about why is this flyweight belt between her and San Diego stuffed under the prelimbs.

Again, it's not that huge of a deal. It was all in ESPN Plus, so essentially it's all undercard, it's all main card, is all matched together. So it's not as big of a wish they'd gotten a little more respect. Great win for Andrew Lee. not my wild card pick. Da Unjung, who opened the card. I'm going to give him some respect.

This is Da Unjung, by the way, U.C. graphics team, not Chan Sung-sung. Let me say that... Let me say, first of all, I don't speak for the entire Asian community. For anyone who didn't see this, they had the wrong Jung on the graphic. They had a Da Un-Jung versus Kenyans Chukwu graphic, and they put, they had Chen Sung-Jung. at least they have the same surname. You know what I mean? So I get it. This to me, I could be offended. I think a lot of Asian people out there could be

offended. But to me, this is a database thing. Someone was just lazy. It's not an excuse. I'm not saying people shouldn't be offended. If you're offended by it, I totally understand. But I think someone just got lazy. They looked up the junk in the database, grabbed the graphic, threw it in there, and didn't think twice about it. So finger of shame. Finger of shame, UFC graphics team, but I don't think this is like, I don't think it's that big. It's not as, oh, I got to retweet this. This isn't as bad as I shared it with you guys.

When they once mustook James Muntazri and Kevin Lee, clearly, this is Kevin, I think it was both their first fights in the UFC, and they just assumed because it was the last name Lee that James Muntazri was Kevin Lee. Anyway, that was way worse. So this was just, I think an amusing gap. Let's move on. I, you know, it's not a big deal. But, down junk, man, third time, the broken record.

Another guy got a stuff underestimating. Song Yadong, Kim. Yes, Williams, Dynjung. I apologize to all you guys. We've got all you guys to lose. Don Jung looked amazing. Smoking, and Zuchu was standing elbows. Holy crap. I knew this guy was good. He's unbeaten the UFC.

So let's give him, again, top of D. It's time. Give him a real test. Nikita Krilov. Let's bring it on. I'll tell you who I'm not picking A.K. I'm not picking Joel Alvarez. Because you have to make weight, dude.

And you have to show some sort of remorse. when you don't make weight. You cannot get on the scale, miss weight, and then, like, smile and celebrate about it. Like, you can't be rocking the Randy Orton pose with a smile on your face when you miss weight 10 minutes into weigh-ins. I slacked you, AK, right after him.

Like, does he realize that he missed weight again? That was confusing. Yeah, very confusing. Good fighter, impressive win, but until you make weight, I'm not even going to, I'm not matchmaking for you at all. You don't even if you're on the main card. He's gone.

Do we ban? Listen. There's a lot of listener suggestions. Are we banning him? Do you want me to not read it up? No, no, no. Moving forward. Like, listener suggestions for now.

Just in my mind. If you want to match. I can ban him. It'll shorten the show. I can easily ban him. There's a lot of Alvarez suggestions. We can easily ban him. Listen, if the Otno community wants to match big for Joel Alvarez, great.

But until he steps on the scale and it says 156 or below, or he goes up to welterweight, I'm on matchmaking for him. So I am going with Andrea Lee. And she is just finding herself. in a great spot. Mentally, her life is in a much better spot. Physically, she's in the best shape of her career. She's just flowing out there.

She beat the hell out of Cynthia Calvio. And that is not easy to do. Not a lot of fighters can say that. I know Just Gondrage stopped her quickly, but Just Gondraj is just a different kind of animal. Andrew Lee just piled it on. That was the best performance of her career. Back-to-back, best performances of her career.

I'm doing it, A.K., there's still so much debate about this fight from a couple of years ago, let's run it back. Andrea Lee versus Lauren Murphy 2. Run it back. Let's get some closure on this. And let's see if Andrea Lee is not only a top five potential 125er, but someone who could actually get to a title fight. She was very, very close to getting to a title fight a couple of years back.

A win away. A win away. If she had beat Joanne Calderwood at UFC 242, she probably would have got the next title fight. Now she's gotten to take some steps back, take a loss or two, come back, grow a little bit, let some of that chaos in her life go further and further behind her. She's in the best place of her career right now.

Yeah, that's what I do. Let's just run that damn fight back. Because Lauren Murphy wanted to fight Cynthia Calvio, now the fight makes not a lot of sense because Calvio just got finished and back-to-back fight. So give Andrea Lee that fight. Let's see if she can get that one back. Yeah, this is the perfect matchup.

I will be, this for me is like the lock. of the week. This is like, I will be disappointed. Not angry, I will be disappointed with the matchmakers if they don't try to put this one together. If something comes up and for whatever reason they don't want to fight each other, someone gets injured, fine, whatever. I would like to at least hear some rumblings that this fight is being worked on because it just, the timing is perfect. This was on MMA Decisions.com, like,

their most controversial fight of last year of 2020. It was, let me just run, Rallis off of you, out of the 12 media members who scored the 12, scored it for Andrew Lee. Listeners, sorry, no, excuse me, voters on MMA Decisions.com, 91.4% scored the fight for Lee. 91.4, either 3027 or 29, 28. You combine those. So 100% of the media, 91% of voters on MMA Decisions.com, which I think is a pretty good sample size.

I always recommend people to visit this site. So, you know, we love, we think the world of Lauren Murphy, a great fighter, this is one that the majority definitely feel the judges got wrong. Yes, and I recommend you all go back and watch that fight. It was very close. I did score for Andrew Lee myself, but the fight was very, very close. I, yeah, I don't know if after watching it a few times, I went from, okay, this is probably a robbery to, yeah, this is closer than that. But I still felt Anjali won the fight. She deserves to run this one back. Yeah. The timing's perfect.

It's never going to be a better time to do that. Rematch is a story there. And yeah, just don't bury this one on the prelims. Put it on a main card. I'll do a rubber review. If it gets to read books, I will immediately do. I have not had the chance to rewatch that fight. That will definitely be.

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Do we have check the tapes? No my check this week, right? I do have something to say to one individual, but go right ahead. Oh, my. Okay. Let's just go with some points first. Jacob Best and Nate Andrews, both at different points during the year, this past year, called for Diego Faheda versus Matush Gamrod.

So I want to give both of them a point. I think Jacob Best was quite a bit earlier in the year, but that's fine, whatever. I like the idea. They put the idea out there. This fight does all think it's happening December 18. So, that's our half a point. I'm sorry, split that. Split that.

Jacob Best, Nate Andrews, split that point. Lockedagon, if you're out there, that's a half point for Best Andrews. Listeners, share this point, please. Thompson, Wonder Boy, versus Val-Mohama, December 18th. Adasania Whitaker, too, of course, a shoe-in. We were just waiting for a date. It looks like that. UFC 271 at February 12th.

And on that same card, I know we had a couple listeners go, more than a couple of say, go for Vince Bichel and Marco Madsen. So there you go. So just a few points to sprinkle around there. There you go. So let me just address something real quick, so just don't mic check. Okay, you go first. I have to call out, I have to call out Herbdine, but go ahead.

Okay, and then you can do an AK check. It's just a quick check. Okay. So last week I went on a rant that a lot of people apparently appreciated because I heard from a lot of you. VVY-5397 on our website wrote this long email, and I responded pretty, viciously, pretty angrily. Some people took his side. A lot of people took my side. But here's the thing. I'm going to say two things. One, I'm not taking back anything that I said. I will say this. Perhaps upon first reading of said email or said message and said comment,

perhaps I read it in a tone that maybe wasn't presented in. It seems like a, it seemed like it was a mic check as I was first reading it. And then when you throw in the world, and then like we talked about last week, throwing in the words and you know it, that's a, that's a trigger. That's a trigger. When you throw in the words and you know it and you're trying to defend an argument, I'm going to freak out a little bit. And that's what happened.

Perhaps I took it a little too far. Perhaps I was a little too vicious. Perhaps I shouldn't have been as angry as I was. And sometimes when you read text messages and you read emails and you read these comments, it doesn't come off the way you, maybe you perceive them. And I thought his response, while not completely correct, he basically said, like, listen, I was trying to be respectful. I wasn't trying to be a jerk about it.

I thought it was very respectful. He was glad he was recognized. He thought the law, he got, he actually, I lawyered myself. He's me raising my voice was because I was wrong. A.K., how many times you heard me raise my voice with passion? Not because I feel I'm wrong. It's because I feel like I'm right. Often.

All the time. All the time. On all of our shows, not just this show. Preview shows, post-fight shows. This happens a lot. You did it, you did it literally like 15 minutes ago. I just did it. I literally just did it.

It's because I was right. So he wants five Otno points if they, if the UFC books Marab versus Cheeto. And not just reader otno points. He wants my otno points. He wants my otto points, five of them. If Cruz fights Corey, if they book Dominic Cruz versus Corey Sanhagan in May, he wants five ottono points. Mike, you know, they're your points. You're free to do whatever.

can't stop you. Like, if you were said he wants five, like, Otno points, obviously, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, unilateral decision you and I have to make, uh, no, I mean, it's your, but your points, it's, you can do whatever you want. You could bet a hundred, uh, no, I know, you're, you're a gambling man. I don't know what you do with your point.

I don't want to know. I think, I take a don't ask, don't tell policy when it comes to Mike Hex's no points. So, but, uh, this is, you're saying publicly, this guy's asking for your points. Okay. I will say this. If Dominic, the only way you get any Otno points, BVI, Y, is if they book Corey Sanhagan versus Dominic Cruza in May. They book it June 1st, you get zero.

You get nothing. June 2nd, nothing. April 30th, nothing. It's got to be in May because that seems to be your point. I will say this. There is a part of me that just throws these predictions out because I want Otno points and it's just like a fun thing to do. I don't really do it for the Otno points.

But if they book Marab de Valshvili versus Corey Sanhagan, I am going to do a video of me doing backflips. I'm going to dance. I am going to do this whole staying alive musical video on Instagram live strolling down the streets of Bluffton, South Carolina, because that will be the greatest auto point ever. I will not accept any other Otno points for the rest of my career. I will do this show, just to do the show, the same way I'm doing it now.

But that, if that's the last otno point of my career, if they book Morab versus Corey Sanhagan, I am thrilled that that will be the last Otno point of my career. That would be the greatest Otno point of my life. And I'm sticking by that. I still think the UFC should do Sanhagen versus Marab. And I still think they will do Sanhagen versus Marab at some point. And it doesn't matter. And here's the thing about this show, Mr. VVY.

Even if they book Mara v. Chito in December, You don't win. You win nothing. Because the Marab wins. Corey Sanhagen's next fight could still be against Marab. And that's where the Otno point comes from. What's next for Corey Sanhagen? Next for Corey Sanhagen will be Marab.

So there you go. They can book your little fight, but it means nothing. It means nothing. In all series is VVY. My God. Appreciate your response. perhaps I should have been in Florida when I responded. Florida mic's a whole different vibe.

Agree to disagree. Maybe I was too harsh on you and I apologize for that. But I will not take away what I said. I'm not changing my mind. I did not lawyer myself. And if they book, you get out no points if they book Cruz versus Sanhagen in May and not a second before or after. So there you go.

Well, like I hope the, you know, the mystery, listen, you and I are very powerful, of course, in the mastering community. But, you know, Otno points do not come out of thin air. There is a, you know, I hope the shadow accountants behind the scenes that we have to deal with it. Kind of like if anyone's seen Game of Thrones, the Golden Company, they're like these mysterious bankers. Yeah, that's kind of, you know, there's people who generate, who do get these odd no points out there. So I hope that kept track of all that because it's quite a wager you've put out there. and I know a Loctagon again if you're out there I know you're probably keeping track of that again you don't have to

legally I'm telling you please don't but um if you are good luck with that Locktogon's becoming like our New York Rick because there are people who send out suggestions and like they're leaving these notes for Locktagon leaving notes for which is great so this thing up we haven't even seen the spreadsheet yet

and Loctagons are to be input to work they have it ready like we're probably seeing it for when we might have a slow week or weekend off, we'll see. I'm back to take account of these things, but yeah, give them a follow and Twitter at the very least. Please. Yes. I would agree. All right, AK, go ahead. This is very quick. I don't want to beat a dead horse here.

We criticize Herdeen all the time or hesitant herb as we'll go, we'll be calling him every now and then. It just, you know, again, this wasn't the worst of his errors. Like I said, I think the fight was close to being finished anyway. But Dana White is right. I'm with UFC president, Dana White on this one, that you got to stop

touching people. You got to stop having hesitancy. You got to stop doing this little dance when you're going to stop a fight or not stop a fight. This is people's livelihoods you're messing with. This is their lives, period, their health you're messing with sometimes. Sometimes he's early. Sometimes he's late. This is not a recent thing. I see a lot of people saying, Herb's having a tough year. Guys, this has been going on for the better part of the last decade. I get it. He's experienced, which is fine. He's had some great calls in the past, but the Frank Mir, look, the Frank Mir, Tim Silvia call, one of the great referee calls, was like over a decade ago. So I give him credit for it, but just like anyone, someone can lose their fastball,

they can lose their edge and they can start a second guessing themselves, which if you've been watching Herb Dean referee, he's been doing it constantly. I mean, this wasn't this year. Hedon Burrow and arrived favor with terrible championship fight stoppers. That was seven years ago. That's 2014. The Jai Herbert controversy with the Dan Hardy situation. I was not. Dan Hardy side at the time, and I still am. I think that was a mess by Herdine. C.B. Dalloway once almost got, like, murdered, because Herb wouldn't stop the fight.

The Kai Kar, France, Hagerio-Bonterrine, bizarre, non-stoppage, which could have been so much worse. Chris Wyman and Luke Rockhold, he was the referee for that fight. That fight could have been stopped so much earlier. These are just five examples, guys. There are many. And I get it, he's under the microscope. We see him a lot.

He's not the only poor referee. But I just think I would like to see people, if there's anyone that's still defending him and calling him the best, I just think it's wrong. And I don't think Herb's a bad person. Everyone who speaks of him, who knows him, speaks very highly of his character. I think he's a good dude. But he needs to either take a break or really have someone help

and sort of reevaluate how to make these decisions because he is struggling. He is struggling. And again, I'm not saying it's because he's a bad person. But if someone's having a hard time, I think it has to be addressed. So, again, another, I think another if he's weird situation that he created where we're talking about him more than the results of the fight, and that's just bad. And that's just any sport. If you're talking about the referee, more than the athletes, that's a bad sign.

So a little bit of a check for Herb Dean. I hope we can get it figured out. And we don't have more instances like this going forward, but it has to be addressed. Well, sad. And I understand that people are like, well, these guys are heavyweights. You got to get in there. It's impossible. You guys have to remember that Herb Dean isn't just a referee.

He's like, they called him the gold standard for a long time. He's a big dude. He's competed in MMA. He's had pro-MMA fights. Like, you got to be better. Like, I understand the guys are bigger, but, I mean, this is the job. John McCarthy was ripping dudes off people. We've seen referees like belly-to-back suplex guys.

We've seen referees having to force themselves into, like, just subduing fighters, rear naked chokes, putting him to sleep. Like, I mean, you definitely don't want to do that. That's not like why you wake up in referee fights, but refereeing sucks. It's a hard job. It's a thankless job. Sometimes you get some praise. Credit to all the reps.

But yeah, he's had a rough go. And Chris Tione, who had one of the worst years in the history of refereeing last year, I feel like he's gotten a lot better. But again, man, you've got to pull the trigger on these points. You can't just say, final warning, final, final warning, absolute final warning. Like, if the same penalty happens twice, you take a freaking point. Enough is enough. Let's just go.

Like, we don't need, like, stop adding adjectives to this. Absolutely final, final, final. morning. No. You kick the guy in the nuts twice. The second one, almost knocked the guy on the fight. Take a freaking point. It didn't matter in the grand scheme of the fight anyways, because chaos knocked him out, but you gotta take a point, dude. One more low blow, sir, and you are on double secret probation. I am telling you. Double secret probation. I swear, one more. I'm gonna make you sit on a stool for 30 seconds. Time out. Think about what you've done. No point, but really think about what you've done. Really, no point. But really think about

what you've done here. You're going to reflect. We're going to put you in the box of shame for 30 seconds. All right, A.K., let's go to the peeps. Why don't you go out and give the standard disclaimer? Yeah, very standard. Emphasis, guys, mostly talking about winners. We'll pick up a few losers here and there.

Scattergories rule, if you want your points, you're really only getting a single point for yourself if you have an answer that nobody else had. It's getting more difficult these days. A lot of listeners sending in picks. We love all you. guys just weird mistakes wrong weight class the people fought already recently and you didn't suggest it was a rematch or why they should fight again uh someone someone injured someone released

someone who's booked and you just might not know about it and uh your pick might just be do-do and we don't want to read it this happens a lot too all right let's get right into this osse dad bloke is max getting a third fight against fulkanowski after losing twice maybe is max going to get the returning mcgregor fight at 155 maybe i'd like to see max take a fight at 155 against a top tennis guy to dip his toes in the water to set up a McGregor rematch, maybe the Redell-Fiziv winner. Probably not the best career move for either guy, but I'm selfish, and I want to see Rodriguez versus Ortega. So there you go. Osse dad bloke throwing out some different suggestions, definitely category rules. Angus Davies, Alvarez versus Dan Hooker would be wild. Can't disagree,

but Alvarez got to make weight. And if I'm Dan Hooker, I'm not taking that fight until Alvarez makes weight. That was the most popular Dan Hooker pick I saw. I'm sorry, Joel Alvarez pick I saw. I'll mention a couple other ones later. You'll probably, you'll probably mention them for I do. It feels like it's a reward. That's a big fight for Joel Alvarez. We can't reward him for missing with a name like Dan Hooker for missing weight. We can't do that. I don't like that thing at all. I saw that was the number one Alvarez pick I saw. I don't like it at all. Dan Hooker got his visa to fight at UFC 266, like two days, like four days before the fight, flew over, landed in Vegas late Thursday night, woke up, made weight, and then three weeks later made weight again.

Dan Hooker, like, no, Dan Hooker's not going to take that fight, and he shouldn't take that fight until Joel Avers can prove that at least once at this point that he can make 156. And if he can't, at least like, be like, oh, man, I tried my hardest, I'm very sorry. not smile and celebrate it. Alec A. Nileon likes Daun Jung versus Iwan Kuchelaba, and Sean Woodson versus Melzik Bagdasarian. I've seen a lot of the Woodson Bagdasarian once. I just, I think Woodson's just so far ahead of him.

Baghezzarian just didn't do himself any favors at 268. He got a win, but I think Woodson's just so far ahead of him. Owen Carroll, Daun Jung versus Nikita Krilov, Rafael Alves versus Patty Pimblet. Sean Woodson versus Lando Vanada. I know Vanada's got a fight, but still win or lose. You can still do that. Andrea Lee versus Jessica Androge.

That's a big step up. I dig it, though. Joel Alvers versus Chaos Williams, A.K., Joel needs to move up. He likes Felicia Spencer versus Aspen Lad. He also believes Herb Dean should be fired. He makes way too many mistakes, way too often. So annoying. Dan Hardy was so right about this man.

He is a bad ref, and nobody will convince me otherwise. And then his last suggestion, A.K., I want to get your take on. Courtney Casey versus Macy Barber Casey versus Barbara I oddly saw Lee versus Barber Not one person

That's the only Barbara suggestion I saw I think that makes more sense than Lee versus Barbara definitely Casey's such a tough out And frankly maybe I don't want to see the kind of person that Barbara should have been fighting earlier Because she is tough

And it could have derailed her in the same way That some of Barbara's opponents already have but I do feel like Casey is a step below some of the people that have beaten Barber so maybe that's where they should have gone for us so yeah I mean sorry it's a long way to say I like the matchup yeah the other media one that I kept seeing was

Andrew Lee picks up the biggest win of her career starched Cynthia Calvio a top 10 fighter Andrew Lee's probably going to enter the top 10 herself let's have her fight Manon Fioro like come on dude that is a terrible suggestion that's a terrible piece of business I'm sorry, and I respect this person very much, but that's a awful piece of matchmaking. Awful.

Biggest win of your career. I'm going to have you fight five spots back against a dangerous prospect. Come on, dude. You've got to be better. Maybe they don't believe. Maybe that's a very pro-Fioro pick. Maybe they don't believe in Lee as a contender. I don't know.

Well, if Manifioro goes in and starts just Cynthia Calvia like that, maybe we could talk about it. Con Whizzle 91, DeLima versus Walt Harris would be a fun heavyweight matchup. Yeah, I don't mind that. Chaos versus anybody would be a fun fight. I'm going Nico Price. Song you don't look great. Like to see him versus the winner. Ricky Simone versus Jafiela Sunsao,

since the winner figures to be ranked. And while I know AK will be hating on the weight miss, Joel Alvarez had such an impressive performance. I like to see him versus the winner of Rodel versus Fiziv. No. Too much. It would be a great fight. But no, like I said, again, Mike, we made it clear how we feel about it.

And let me say with the chaos willing versus anyone thing. I think he was the most matched up fighter. I think I saw like 10 different names thrown out for Chaos Williams. So Chaos versus Anyone is really the safest. You're not going to get no point for it, but it's really the safest pick you can make. Yep. And there's a lot of Alvarez, too.

There's one suggestion that I really liked, which I'll get to in a minute. DG. Brandon, Lee, versus the winner of Grasso versus Ara Ujo, no problem with that. Can I predict what the Alvarez pick you liked it? Because I think I got it too. And I actually really liked it. Let me know when you're getting victim.

Okay. Let me know. Yeah, if it comes up, say, ding, and then I'll let you know. Joel Alvers versus Bobby Green. Can't reward him with another ranked opponent due to the weight miss, so give him a fun one. I don't have a problem with that. Song you Dong versus Hione. I think Bobby Green deserves better than him.

I don't know. I'm really mad. The people are right. I'm really crusty about the weight of this. Yes. Songu Dong versus Hione, Barcellos. I don't think Barcellus is an opponent right now. I actually think he just scratched himself from a fight.

Chaos Williams versus Randy Brown. Yayae versus the winner of Giga versus Kater. Hot take, Holloway versus Korean zombie, AK. Yeah, I saw someone say that he was still one fight away and I'm like, from a toddler fight, I'm like, is he?

I want to see that fight someday, obviously, but I don't think we need to see it now. That's the fight that can happen. That can happen at lightweight. That can happen anytime. Poppy Brian, Delima versus Sergei Spivak, Williams versus Elizos, Lesky dos Santos, Yudong versus the Cruz versus Munoz, loser, just a

in Fabor in Song-Ey Dong's Corner versus Dominic Cruz. Well, well said, and he's also very excited. He goes, it's alive. Woodson versus Melsic-Baghd-Dagd-Zarian, although I don't love the fight. I do like the hashtag Poppy Bryant reminded me of it. The gun versus

the sniper. I dig it. So, I mean, all right, I forgot about the hashtag. I won't lie. So I'm a little more sold on it just so we can have this hashtag, but I do feel that Sean Woodson is ahead of him. John A. Ray 92. Andrew Lee versus Chaghan,

my loser, sure. Songy Dong versus Stamen, Mada Madoff winner. Yeah, Cody Stamen, I don't, that's not a bad pick. There's a lot of, uh, that's another one needs some closure. Chaos Williams versus Kevin Lee, AK. Is it Chaos Williams versus Kevin Lee? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I like, I saw that one thrown out there. Yeah, makes sense. I like that one too. Ruggieroe de Lima versus Juan Espino. Yayae versus Zombie 2. And Holloway versus whoever the hell. he wants.

Dig all of those. I also saw that. Holloway... Yeah, Hollywood versus anyone and Chaos Blowers versus Anyone. If only we could have Holloway versus Chaos Blument somehow, then we really... We didn't really get a stew going.

River Crossing. Spencer versus Wolf, since it's the only fight to make, or get with a nutritionist and drop to 135. I mean, literally... And I hate the Daniel Woll fight. That's a good idea. The Daniel Welfi is awful. Spencer might...

We might see a dead body in that fight. She would, she very likely would smash her. But yeah, she can't go down to 1.35. Maybe I'm wrong, but I take a look at Felicia Spencer. I think she's very healthy and happy at 145. I don't want her having to do an extreme weight cut to get that extra 10 off. Yeah. And Daniel Wolf, a 1-0 fighter.

There's no business. She's no business being in there with Felicia Spencer. I'm sorry, credit to her. She's in the UFC. I get why. They booked it. And it was the worst booking I've ever seen. They shouldn't have.

They shouldn't have, but they booked it. It's horrible. Daniel Wolf should also go into the offices and say, let me go. He likes Songy Dong versus the Pivo O'Malley winner as well. Higher by Creed, Holloway McGregor 2 at 155. I know Holloway is the rifle number one contender, but I'm not really screaming for a third fight with Volk right now. Okay.

Williams versus Leske would be a banger. Wildcard, Joel Alvarez has to move to 170. He likes Joel Alvarez versus Kevin Lee, AK. Joel Alv. Yes, yeah, I like that. He goes up. Okay, that's good set. Some of these Joel Alvarez's suggestions aren't bad.

Is that the one that you thought that I would like? No. Okay, I don't think you've mentioned it yet. Okay, all right. London 88. Holloway versus McGrager, Yair versus the Toporia Evloyv winner. Of course, Mavzharov just took to Twitter moments ago as we're recording this and said, watching that main event, saw a lot of holes, and he would fight both guys in one night, he said.

So some hutspa. Good on you, Mopsar. Dahlima versus Spito. Rothwell versus Danho Chaos versus D-Rod, no, Baezza versus Alesquito Santos Song-e-Dong versus Jack Shore, A.K., that's a fun one.

But Song-I-Dong is quite ahead of him in the rankings. Like I said, it's a great player. But Jack-Shore deserves a top-15 guy. Jack-Shore is awesome. Yeah, but Song-I-Dong is not a top-15 guy right now. I think he is. I think he's number 15. I think both guys deserve top-fifteen opponent

and not each other, is what I'm saying. All right. All right. Well said, A.K. Half an out and no point. Here you go. I'll Venmo it to you. Yeah, yeah. Hit the Venmo, yeah. Arce versus Nate Mainis. Lee versus Barber. Yeah, I mean, I don't, I know the Manifioro one, sure. Like, I gave a little crap about it. Barber's a big name right now. So maybe I don't, I don't love it. But if you give me a choice, what makes more business sense and experience sense and all that, Lee would get a bigger rub off of beating Macy Barber than she would

off of Manor Fiora right now. It's just facts. I still for the Casey's suggestion for Barbara, though, because I think, I think, Andrew Lee would smash Macy Barber right now, and I don't think that's good, I think that's good for Macy Barber's development. People care about that sort of thing.

So I'd rather her fight, Courtney Casey, I think. Yeah, I like that idea. Sean Woodson versus Lando Venada, winner lose, Alves versus Rosa? Rosa? No. No, you can't do that. Am I wrong?

Is there another Rosa I'm not thinking of? Yeah. Julian E. Rosa, who's also a 45er? So a 45er? Yeah, I'm not in. No. No, I don't, now I'm confused. Down Jung versus Devin Clark.

Yeah, I like that. That's fine. Yeah. Our friend Max Block, this is good. Hello, Mike. Hope you and the Otno crew are doing well this week. I was so happy to hear you and AK liked by Hussar versus Hanyak pick. I'm really hoping to get an otto point from my lengthy explanation and unique fight pick.

However, I hear there's another max block in the otno ranks. For reference, I am not max block photography, which means there may be a max block battle on our hands. I am a different max block entirely. I'm an engineer and not a photographer. How many max blocks can there be? Apparently there's more. So, continuing on. So for Loctagon, please make a note for Otno Point purposes.

I am Canadian Max Block or Max Block the Engineer, but I am not Max Block Photography, nor have I messaged AK for the show before, although AK is admittedly awesome. That was far as by one special pick for this fight card. I would absolutely love to see Joel Alvarez versus Grant Dawson, assuming Alvarez, can make weight. I feel like Alvarez with the slick submission skills would make Dawson have to really mind his peas and cues of his takedowns. Doss would have

the advantage in a pure grappling sense and could outwork Alvarez standing. However, as we saw on Saturday, Alvarez is a serious problem on the feet if he can't be backed up like he was by Demir is Magula, for example. I especially feel like cardio would be a deciding factor of who wins the contest

if it goes all three rounds. Dawson losing round three to Ricky Glenn. Alvarez having never won by decision inside the UFC. I feel like it would be a genuinely fair and strong test for both men, which would really show where each are really at in the lightweight division's shark-infested waters. What say you, Mr. Heck? And ding, ding, ding, that is the suggestion I liked the most. Okay, two things. I'm sorry. I was too fixated on... The Max Block. Yeah, because I think the Max Block's photographer is also Canadian.

No way! Maybe they have to be cut. You guys, I'll say this. Max Block, I should give them the cut, like, we should pass on their contact information somehow. You're probably cousins or something. You probably don't even know it. You're probably from the same great blocks of Canada.

I believe Max Block photography is Canadian. Wow. Anyway, I'm sorry, Michael. What was the, I was distracted there. What was the exact, what was that scenario presented there? Joel Overs versus Grant Dawson. Oh, okay. I did like that one, but that was not what I was thinking.

Have you, I don't think you've mentioned this yet. Surukion. That's a crazy fight. Okay. I like that idea too. Obviously, I also think Surukian would beat him. So I'll do this at some form of punishment. Which is not a great way to do matchmaking.

You shouldn't be trying to punish fighters. But when you break the sacred sanctity, is that an oxymoron sacred sanctity? I don't care. I'm saying it anyway. When you break the sacred sanctity official mourning way in, there has to be consequences. So I do like the Dawson matchup, but I'm leaning more towards Suryukyau, which I saw quite a few people mentioned. Or you third Joel Lever is up to 170 and fight Shafkat Rakmanov.

Yes, that was also being quite a bit of punishment. Yeah, that'd be big time punchment. Yeah, I like, I think Grant Dawson just has a style that could make you. It could be a very long knife for you. Yeah, I like that idea a lot. Our fan from Italy, Francesco Holloway needs a big match. Why not the return of Henry Suhudo for the number one contest? tender at 145. That's a big

fight and that's interesting. Interesting. I saw it. I should mention, oh, I'll mention them later when I get back to it. But yes, I very creative. Yep. Delima versus Bozer, Spencer versus Holly Holme. Chaos versus Li Jing Leung. Woodson versus Daniel Paneda. I know

Paneda is suspended. Depends on how long that suspension is. Maybe because Woodson wants to wait till March, wait till the spring. Casey versus Ooh, this is an interesting one. Jung versus Walker, Johnny Walker, Courtney Casey versus Maria Agapova, AK. Yeah, no, that's the right, again,

that's the right level of opponent for, like, a Macy Barber. That's the right level opponent for Maria Agapova. I don't mean to keep treating... Fioro, too. Sure, and I don't mean to keep treating Courtney Casey as like this low-level gaykeeper, because she could win those fights and get her own and get her own sort of career back on track.

If she beats Fiora, she beats Macy Barber, she beats her... Sorry, who you just mentioned that was... Vioro. No, before that. Agavala. It was the original. Agavava, yeah.

Any of those three names, she could beat them or a couple of them if they keep throwing her at prospects. Suddenly, Courtney Casey's back talking about top 15, top 10. So, yeah, Casey's the right name for those fighters, not Andrew Lee right now, I don't think. Yes. Gerard Biagan, Yaya versus Chakazza, Cater, loser. Chaos versus Francisco Trinaldo. Joel Alvarez versus Redel Fizzeev, loser.

Andrew Lee, Lauren Murphy, too. J-Port-O-4. Yaya versus Arnold Allen. DeLima versus Bozer, quick turnaround. Chaos versus Abu Bakar and Amaga-Madoff. I like that fight, too. Yadong versus Frankie Edgar. I don't think A.K., is going to like that pick.

Hate it. Everyone, I saw two people mention that and say, like, I'm sorry, okay, we know you're going to hate this. Then why'd you mention it? Then why'd you bring it up? You know I hate it. You know I hate it. Why'd you bring it up? But yeah, send that crap to Mike.

All right. You're right. I absolutely hate it. Terrible matchup. What the hell are you thinking? No. The Arnold Allen thing, I want to say, I like that matchup. I think that makes a, if you're Arnold Allen, you should be calling for that.

Yep. You should really be calling for that fight. Maybe out of respect, you wouldn't do it after he just had a brutal, like, five-round war of Max Holloway. But later this week, Arnold Allen, getting that social, man, or just frigging call the UFC matchmakers. Tell him you want that one. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I know he's got the hand injury and I don't know if he's clear yet, but yeah, that's something to definitely definitely take a shot at

Andrew Lee versus Lauren Murphy another one for that. Christian Nicholas like Sean Woodson versus Andre Feeley might be a little too soon for Woodson but I like the outside of the box thinking.

Tristan Gordette Chaos Williams versus D-Rod boo! Bo! He knew. Mike, he knows how to get you. Horrible. He knows, that was like

a song versus Edgar for me. He's like, how do I needle, how do I really poke at Mike right there? He knows. No. He knows your big D. Rod fan. No, you can't do that fight. Not now. Not now. D-Rod deserves a tough 15 guy. Come on.

Songu-Dong versus Mara Mara Maris. I like it. Oh no. Andrew Lee versus Manon Fioro. Boo! Sean Woodson versus Damon Jackson. Like that one. Raphael Alvers versus Steve Garcia. I saw that. I don't mind. I actually don't mind that because Steve is tough, man. That's, yeah, he's a durable dude. I don't mind that fight. Dowen Jung versus Cleo Roundtree, like that fight too. So two whiffs and some couple singles and maybe a double mixed in there. I think John Ganga is a bit higher above now the rankings

in some of these names that have been thrown out. I really do. Again, like I said, I was underrating him going in. Maybe now I'm overcompensating, but I do feel like he deserves top 15, top, well, LightHevway is pretty thin. Maybe Cleo Roundtree is in the top 20. Yeah, he probably is. Yeah.

It's pretty thin to me. I'll admit, I picked Injuchu to win. But it's not because I didn't think Daun Jung was a good fighter. I just felt like Daoenjung's going to try to finish him in the first. He's going to beat the hell out of Kennedy and Sachuuku is going to survive and then just wear on him as the fight progresses. Basically what we've seen the last couple of times in Chichucus fought. He went in there and took Carlos Ulberg's best shots and didn't get stopped and then won the fight.

So, yeah, Daun Jung, great performance. That's a great finish. That's a great finish to have on the resume. And I think that's going to age very, very well. we end with Patrick Goston, Chaos versus the Leach. Sure, I like that fight. Song Yidong versus Hafeuila Sunsau after his victory, so an assumption. Andrew Lee versus Casey O'Neill after her victory.

No. I don't like, I think, all right, I will say this. Of all of all these names that are out there, okay? of all these names that are being sprinkled out. Some I've completely poo-pooed. Some I've been like, eh, Casey O'Neill is probably the best of the bunch. Casey O'Neill goes out there,

beats Roxanne Modifari, notifari, doesn't impressively get to finish. Sure. I think that makes more sense than Bacy Barber, than way more sense than Manifioro. And then some of the other names well. Casey O'Neill has the best case for that fight. However, I think Andrew Lee deserves a non-prospect top seven or eight fighter. So, yeah. But of all those names, Casey O'Neill, I like that one

the most. And the other one's way less. Delima versus Wanda Smino, Holloway. Wow. Now he's just trolling. He likes Max Holloway versus Yaya Rodriguez, too. I mean, just let him run it back. And then he likes Hamza versus Nick Diaz. He wants me to freak out since neither are banned from the show anymore. Okay. Don't take the bait. I'm not doing it. Patrick Gosser trying to be the heel. We've heard his, we've heard his messages from the past. He wants to be the heel of the show. He's challenging Tristan Gordette for that spot. Tristan, Tristan got the point. Tristan got the heel point this week, Patrick, so do better. A.K., going to you. Yeah, all right. The, you know, the two obvious pictures from the main event, Holloway Volcanovsky 3, and, you know, you.

a year versus Ortega. So pretty, pretty much most of the listeners I had in agreement. I will say, I don't think you mentioned the possibility of Holloway versus Tony Ferguson. No one mentioned that. Yeah. That's fine. I like that one, though. Our pal, Casey Carpenter, who they said, most likely Max and Volker fighting, but I actually

think Max wants the Connor fight. Maybe he should take a fight against Ferguson, winner against Connor. Why not have those two fights be there, you know, for the sort of Connor coming? back. I think Max is already going down as an all-time, great. Why not go for the biggest payday? Trilogy is most likely, but why go for a small percentage of a point?

I'm going Ferguson versus Holloway. That's right, Casey. Go bigger, go home. And yes, there was quite a few mentions of just Holloway McGregor 2 at 155. What's some other? There was a lot of Spencer suggestions, Mike, but like no enthusiasm behind them. Almost all of them

came with like this disclaimer of, it'd be like, Spencer versus Holm, I guess. Spencer versus Wolf, I guess. People just did it. Again, our dutiful, ought-no listeners. They know that it's part of the job. They got a match mix.

She was on the main card and she won, so they had to do it. But not a lot of people just going like, oh, we got to, I have to see this matchup, Felicia Spencer, just like none of that. What's some other good ones I talk? These are all group. Again, guys, I keep track of all these for points purposes, so don't worry if I don't mention it.

Like I said, I loved Alvarez versus Surikian. And Andrea Lee, Lauren Murphy, too, our listeners were on point. That is the best matchup for my cousin Andrea. So because, if you're out there, campaign for that matchup, we'll talk about it at the next family barbecue. And for Don Jung, Menafield, that was a menofield, most popular pick I saw. But anyways, a lot of good consensus picks. I'll run down some of the individual messages I got here.

A couple of first timers who definitely need to be read out. At Zombie Fight Fan. I'm sorry guys, I've got to do a better job of keeping these organized. Well, I'll read, I'll read at Joshua Ladin's, Joshua, I can't read, Joshua Dylan Sr., who's a first-timer, and they just said, we didn't know if recorded the show yet. They just made it in. Mike and Casey kept mentioning a year fighting Cato or Giga on the post-fight show, but I thought Brian was a clear and obvious next choice for him.

I don't have much time to make more picks. That's all I got. So another Artega, but just acknowledging that they did listen to Post-Fi show. A lot of comments. So thank you. Thank you at Joshua Dylan Sr. And I'm sorry that I could not read the name initially because I'm an idiot. I'm still trying to, gosh, where is this other first time?

People forgive me. My mic was out of control. I still have not recovered from my awkward start to this show. And I have no idea why I cannot find this message now. I don't know if I deleted this person or what I'm doing. I'll some of the others first. At Lego My Ego underscore Bofa, what a name. Should Inzichuku be cut, Mike?

I think that's a bit harsh. What? Why? He's on a three-fight win streak heading into this fight. I don't know. Not a fan. Not a fan of Zichuk. Denny Caps, I like Woodson versus Tugokov.

I don't. That's, wow. That's pretty good. Might be a little high. for Woodson, but I mean, yeah, I think that's a fine fight. I found my first timer.

I'm sorry. Their ad zombie fight fan. Their username is 36-year-old Hendo throwing spinning S-word. First timer here. I go to the Slip the Jab podcast for my weekly M.A. Digest.

On to the next one for that nerdy match being goodness I can't live without. So shoutouts, Slip the Jab podcast. Guys give them a follow. Been listening regularly for about a year. I want to contribute and start my collection of Otno points.

It's never, people, it's never too late to start. The only mistake is not starting. The only mistake is not starting. I know people are like, it's too late to get in the game. You know, it's like, it's like a cryptocurrency or NFTs. It's like, no, man, it's never too late. You may have wish you've gotten in there earlier, but it's never too late. So I'll just read all their picks here, Max Volk.

Three, Delima versus St. Peru, 2, Electric Bugaloo. Chaos versus Kevin Lee, Yadong, versus Timor Valley. No disrespect to Spencer, just no idea what to do with her. A zombie fight fan, you weren't the only one. Yeah, you are Versa Tegos is the way to go. Let them heal up, throw down on a fight night headliner, pay-per-view opener.

The prospect has me looking at my lips more than any of my picks for the winners. And so, says, thanks for everything you both do. Looking forward to the show every single Sunday. Cheers from Salt Lake City. Shout us to SLC, Mike. SLC checking it. We got Nicklinville,

at Nicklinville with a question, Mike. I believe it is, why am I so just how I'm I say? I believe the question is Herb Dean related. Nicklinville wants to know. They feel Mark Goddard, clearly the best ref showed one of the reasons tonight. Among other things, he used the eye poke time to bring the doctors, check the vision of my year with all the previous damage done. Doesn't just ask the guy four different times for a number

until he gets the right one. They say they forgot what it. did that, but they thought it might have been Herb, might have been someone else. Who do you guys feel is slash are the best reps in MMA? I think we have some pretty obvious answers here. Yeah, I think Goddard's up there. And one of the things that I like about Goddard is that he is open.

He is honest. He comes out in the public and responds to things. If he makes a mistake, doesn't realize it at the time, goes back and watches it and realizes he comes out and addresses it. it. That's what I like. I think right now, Jason Herzog, while he's made some mistakes as well, the OSP, Tanner Bozer fight in particular, he is as good as it gets right now, in my opinion. I think he's, I think he's one. I put Goddard at two. Yeah, I think that's the,

you could one A1B him if you want, but I think those are the two best right now. No, I was going to say Herzog as well. I think he's the one. He gets a lot of love on social media. He's very active on social media, responding to people, which I think that's think people will like a lot. So yeah, those are my two guys for sure. So thank you for the question, Nicklinville. At Fastbender Jay, Song Yadong versus the Adrian Yanez, Davy Grant winner, November 20th. I'm into it. They might be a little bit behind him in the rankings, but again, with a win, I presumably would bump one of them up a little bit, so don't hate it at all. Nate Andrews, Alvarez versus Dober, really big on this one. Alvarez needs to prove he can make

weight consistently before getting top 15, top 10, top 15 fighters in the division. And this fight rules. It would be a great fight. You know, with all the crap, we've talked about Alvarez. He's super, super talented. And there's a lot, like I said, there's a lot of great matches for him. But, again, I was really, really put off by some of that. Yeah, I think Alvarez needs to cut to 45 and make featherweight first.

And then that's the punishment. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. He did start his career at 45 when he was a younger man. I have a feeling that's probably out of reach for him now. Yes, I would say so. I'm just kidding. Herb Dean, discretion decision-making, man needs to actually decide to step in and be to sex.

Yeah, that's all we're saying. Like, again, no, I don't think anyone's like saying he's the worst person in the world. Barry O'Reilly wants to clarify last week, they had a comment that confused both of us. I don't know if you remember this, Mike. Spaniard versus Spino versus Barnett Battle of the Spaniards or something, and we were like, what? Like, I did not know. Chris Barnett was born in Zaragoza, Spain, apparently. I was not aware of that.

I think he moved to the U.S. when he was like two years old. Like he'd be, I think it was like Spain, then Germany, and then to the U.S. where he grew up. And he was rocking the Spanish flag. So I missed this. I apologize to everyone. I should have noted it. If he was rocking out of the Spanish flag and I missed it, I must have been distracted

by the dancing and all the other spectacularness that Chris Brunette brought to the age. So they said, you probably know all this. No, I didn't. Barry, thank you for letting us know. But my reasoning was questions, so I got to explain myself, as I am. This is Barry O'Reilly speaking. I am the most intelligent listener, and not these other gibronies. I mean gibronies in the most respectful way.

Oh my goodness. Barry O'Rolli, throwing their hat to the ring. I love it. They like Hapha Alves versus Mason Jones. That's a banger. Dan Jung versus Johnny Walker, sure. And some other matchups I'm not going to read because you're going to hate it, because you already said how much you hate them.

Miles Hutton. Thank you, Miles, for coming in with a question. Well, they want to have you guys seen an uptick and picks from European listeners on these early cards. I don't know if I've been counting. I do think there has been maybe at least a handful more.

The time, it has helped a lot because normally a 10 o'clock card a lot of the, of course, European fans are just, the last thing they're going to do is stay up another, you know, 10 minutes to make Otno picks. It's time to go to sleep or enjoy their Sunday. So, yeah, I think so a little bit.

They also suggested Alvres versus Hernandez-Moycano winner, U.S. 271. and Woodson versus Bagasarine, which again, we've discussed. Ryan Doherty, yep, Songatangamatov's Damon winner, the other fight Saeed or rematch with Cody. Rodriguez versus Chikaze Cater winner, January 15.

So I like those. Braden O'Neill, Woodson versus the Sabatini Lutz winner, November 20th. Casey versus Mazzo? I mean, I guess. I think Casey's above that But yeah I mean they made it

That's fine They're with me on Don Jung versus Krillov Let's get this going guys John Krillam I like it Ain't no expert Chaos Williams versus Nicholas Dalby Yeah great fight We just again Nicholas Dalby

We don't know He just seems like he's taking some time off Hopefully we see him booked for fight Early 2022 but I have not heard anything Song Yidong versus Montel Jackson Woof It's a tough fight man That's a real tough fight

Seamus Law getting around my note This is my fault I have said in the last few shows No Tim Means fights Because we're hashtag You know lobby for Robbie I assume people would understand

I also meant don't match up Robbie Lawler But I did not make that clear So Seamus lot Snehawks lying there with Chaos Williams versus Robbie Lawler Amazing fight But Seamus Damant I want Tim Means or his Robbie Laller

Hashtag Lobby for Robbie No more matching up Tim Means and Robbie Lawler Damn it I'm surprised I'm surprised no one throughout the loser of Kiesa versus Sean Brady for chaos. I think Sean Brady's a tough, I don't know.

He's a tough guy to match up with winner-lose. I do feel like a lot of people see him again, future champion. Like, I don't know, maybe they don't want to mess with that. I'm not sure. But yeah, you're right. I have not see that at all. Woodson versus the Dawadu, Trisano winner, February 5th, Casey versus UBanks-Banks-Gato winner, Melissa Gato, Gato, December 18th,

and Hapa Alves versus Bahamondez-Rongju winner, February, 26. So some nice speculative picks there. I always like those. Marcus McGehy with the, I'll read this whole thing. The chug-chug-chug-chug-tut-toot is the blessed expressed edition of On to the Next One. I said it really not right out that two-toot. Marcus wants to say, let me start off by saying that for me, Ye'er, easily one of the biggest winners of the night, came in as a massive underdog, proceeded to fight like

a bona fide title contender. So impressed. I agree. Nothing that happened last night tells me, yeah, you cannot fight for a title someday. Hafa Alves, Atman of Zaitar, Woodson versus Tristan Connolly, Song Yadong versus O'Malley, win or lose or draw against Paiva. Oh, here we go. So I'm giving Marcus one of my points, out of my stash, because Marcus is the one who brought to my attention that reminded me that Paiava and Song Yadong are training partners.

So I would not even, I probably would have said the same thing that was suggested earlier. Marcus also wants to mention P.S. I once crossed past with Max in a hotel lobby rather than bothering him. I greeted him with a knowing head nod. He smiled and very graciously reciprocated. I don't think I've ever felt cooler in my

entire life. So cool story. Cool story, bro. I love it. Four Corner Sports, N.Y. Woodson versus Lorone Murphy. I think Murphy's a bit ahead of him. Great fight. Yeah. Yeah. Brian Cashman also throughout Holloway versus

Sahudo. Hayes Beth Third. Did you see any of these? Did you get any year zombie too? Yes, I did. Okay, I don't know that's out of the question. I didn't that's how that question. We do want to see that run back someday.

Chaos Williams versus Muslim Salakov, if he loses to Michelle Paheda. Woodson versus Sung Wu Choy. Casey versus my Keck's favorite, Antonina Shivchenko. That's a good one. Thomas Collins coming in. Zhang versus Uzdemir.

Maybe. Sure. I have no problem with that. He deserves a step up. They're going in opposite directions, but Uzdamer is the higher ranked fighter. Alvarez, Liam Perry, Alvarez versus Isma Gula, yes, the two guys who missed weight, throw him in.

Chris Diles, Chaos Williams, versus Punz and Nibio and Neil Luser. Let's quickly hop over to Instagram here. I did not hear from the other alternate Max Block, who I still think might be the same person, by the way, is trolling us. Michael Conifrey, I liked Hapha Alves versus Joe Selecki, Matt Bradbury with a lot of good picks.

Courtney Casey, Luana Carolina. Chaos Williams versus Magni? No. Okay. Shot it, shot down. It's not happening. It's just, no, listen, 170 is loaded. Like, I understand MMA is like, it was a crazy knockout. Like, and I haven't looked at the scorecards for that fight. I probably should look at the scorecards for that fight.

But, I mean, they were all over the place. A lot of people thought it was 1919 heading into the third. A lot of people thought Baezza won the first. first round. That it was 2018 by Eza because he landed the most significant strike of the round. So in some people's minds, Chaos Williams is losing that fight until the knockout. Like, he needs, with a guy like that, with that much power, he's getting better. Like, the guy is getting better.

And him going to Jackson wink, getting out of his comfort zone a little bit, his game is evolving. Why rush him? Why throw him into top 15 fights? Like, you want to throw him in there with Robbie Lerner? Loller, fine. Like, I got no issue with that. But at the same time, like, is that the kind of fight that's going to get Robbie Loller up and away from his family to prepare for?

That's a tough, that's a tough one to predict. So chaos can fight anybody right now. Like, throw them in there. How could, I'm surprised the Niko Price one isn't, like, isn't unanimous. How is that not the unanimous pick of the whole entire Otno community? That makes so much as Niko Price, in most people's rankings, in my little personal journalistic rankings, Nico Price is ranked higher than Chaos Williams right now, despite the win over Miguel Baez. It's not, I mean, we're talking like 30 to 23-ish range. Like, they're,

they're right around the same. So who's going to be a top 15 guy? Let's have these guys fight. There's no reason to rush Chaos Williams into a top 15 fight, especially against a guy like Neil Magny. Like, that's a tough fight, man. That's a real tough fight. And you want to slow down the growth right there? Come on. Let's build this guy up. I want to know. more about Chaos Williams? Matt, I'd like to hear your rebuttal to that. So if you're listening to this episode... I'm not mad at you. I just... No, I know,

it's hard to tell sometimes. The difference, Mike. You raise your voice of your enthusiasm, anger, and it's confusing sometimes. Poor D. Rod. Poor D. Rod. Poor D. Rod. I'm sorry, D. Rod. Now they're trying to match you up with chaos, and now they're trying to steal your shine and throw in chaos with Neil Magny. Man. Just because you broke your hand? Come on. Matt Bradbury. Let Mike know.

Spencer, I kind of like this reasoning for Spencer versus Lena Landsberg. Obviously, Lena Landsberg is pregnant right now, taking some time off. We don't know when she'll be back. But when she comes back, she may want, you know, it might be a bit easier for her to come back at 145. She did compete above Warren 35 in a catch rate against Chris Seaborg. People remember that. So not out of the question. I don't know how long Felicia Spencer would have to wait for that, though.

But I do like the reasoning. I do like the reasoning there, Matt Bradbury. So thank you for that. and some Bellator picks here. Cyberg versus Megan Anderson, so bring her in. Linton Vassel versus Saeed Salma. Aaron Pico, Mads-Bernel, Arlene Blenco, Katzengano, and Cody Law, and Soto. I'm sure I should have written this name down.

Johnny Soto, excuse me. Forgive me, Johnny Soto. So thank you for the Bellator. People, as other people know, points for Bellator picks are equal to any other ought no points. So if you want, I'm not, I don't want to like a flood of Belt or picks in if you don't want to do them people, but I'm saying if you're looking for points, it's a good way to go. Same with the contender series stuff. Unfortunately, that's over for now, but people, you've got points for those if those happen.

Jesse Thunderclease, Woodson versus Herbert Burns. Let's give him an interesting name. Herbert Burns coming off a loss a bit over a year ago. It would be notable name for both guys to cement either place in the top 25, top 35. either guy. I like that you say top 25, top 30, because it's such a conservative and logical reading, and not just saying, oh, whoever wins this would be in the top 15. I'm like, so thank you. Just, Enderclease.

Just Dendrclease is very reasonable, very smart. Dad Jackson DeLima versus Volkov. Sure. And they also want to see Lee Murphy. Yeah, sure. Yeah, it's right. It's really high. They also want to see Lee Murphy again, but also throw an entourage for an ECW-style

three-way dance. So, Elimination? Elimination match? I think all ECW triple threats were elimination style. If I'm not mistaken. You can correct me on that. I believe that is the difference between a three-way dance and a triple threat. Triple threats are first guy to get a pin wins. Yes.

Three-way dance is elimination. Finish only triple threat match. I dig it. Yeah. And I think Dad Jackson knows the difference. So props to you, Dad Jackson. If that fight someone gets made and fight circus, then you are getting the points for sure. Terry Funk needs to be the special guest referee.

Yeah, we've got to bring in the Funkster. MMA heads, Yaira Rodriguez's Megamette Cherapop. People kind of moved on from this, but I still want to see it. I mean, we still want to see as I beat,

I mean, just fight anybody really, but... Yeah. Chaos Williams, Salakov, Poheda, loser. Don and Jung versus John Alan, I think

that's what they're saying. Don and Jung is so far ahead of John Alan. I'm not sure. Unless you want to see John Alang get killed for some reason? Okay. Carlos Torres, Buckley, Cazeres. We test upon this.

Should Herb Dien, retire. I don't necessarily think so, but Mike, I don't know. He's got to be better. He's got to be better. Holloway versus Mike Chandler. I talked about that on the post-site show. I would, I mean, that's, there's so many fun options for Holloway. He can do whatever he wants right now. He's in that. He transcends titles. He transcends divisions. He doesn't need a belt. He doesn't need to fight for titles. He can have these fights, and they're all awesome. They're all great. What a great fighter. What a, what a gift, Max Holloway is.

Oh, I spelled that wrong. That was weird. And they also suggested Spencer go to Bell Tort by Katzengano and Andrea Lee Giscondrage, not in a triple threat match. Let's go to our email. Just a couple of emails here. Tyler Burrell,

who a lot of picks other people have made, but led the charge with Holloway of Volcanowski. It was the first message I read. So I do want to shout out Tyler Burrell. Thank you for the picks. And back to Casey Carpenter to close us out. Always with the common that's great great programming as usual thank you

casey carpenter uh dot unjung versus jacobi um yes love it love that too wasson versus nate land work love it Holloway versus oh ferguson i've read this one out that's right

I read their notes winning against her Gregor and uh Casey Carpenter also wanted to ask about my thoughts on AEW full gear they're watching the replay apparently as they sent me this email and I will just say quickly I did watch that I had a day off I love the UFC guys. You know that. I was very high for the OC, but I also love my pro wrestling. So I've watched both. I did end up watching both. I was more focused on full gear last night. Great show for anyone who's a wrestling fan, AEDW fan. If you're a lapsed fan, I would tell so many people to give AED a chance. It is the most fun I've had following a promotion regularly in probably a decade. You know, I'm very kind of jaded former WWE fan. I think they have a lot of talents. I'm not, I have nothing against you watching them, but I'm an AEW guy through and through and full gear was an awesome show, top to bottom. Probably one of the best peer reviews I've seen since the last AEW pay-review.

So check that out, people. If you're an MMA and a wrestling fan, that's stuff for the way to go with it. And M.M.A. M.M.A. Hour, recent M.A. hour guest, Brian Danielson had a great match with Mero. So if you just only care about that because you saw him in the M.A. I'll check that one out. So that's it. I want to end on a nice pro-pro-Rassling, pro-MMA note. and thank you to all the listeners, of course.

Reach out to me, you guys. Email, Alex. Dot Lee at SBNation.com on Twitter at Alexander K. Lee, on Instagram, at Alexander KK. Lee. I'm going to gone that one backwards. I don't remember. You know where to find us by now. Come on. You know where to find us. You guys are the best.

I forgot about M underscore Ruffles 115. He always makes the spreadsheets. I forgot. And he said to both of us. So I'm like, I've just let my handle. He's my problem now. I'm trying to see if there's anything. categories-esque.

I'll join you in. We both have, yeah, we both have it. K.S. Williams, Kevin Lee, Sung, Yung, Jack Shore, another Alvaris, Surukian, Andrea Lee, Fiorobu, Woodson Jamal Emmer's, Courtney Casey, Myra Boehino-Silva, Alvas, Mugam-Mustaf, down jungle, Onza Mennonfield. There you go. Very organized, I'm ruffles 115, I appreciate you. So there you go. We've had, we got to calm down.

We get a we get a we get a we get a come down a little bit from these last two UFC events action packed UFC 267 the last three 267 was great 268 was bananas Vegas 42 is bananas and then we're back at it next Saturday before a rare weekend off from the UFC we got katelyn viera versus misha tate's headlining ufc Vegas 43 this is a somewhat early start time card this is a noon eastern card or is this this Is this a 3P, three Eastern card? We'll have to figure it. I don't know if we know yet. I don't know if we know yet. Yeah.

Maybe AK will, yeah, we'll look at that. Co-manimate Michael Kiesa versus Sean Brady. Haniyaya versus Kyeong-Hukhank. Jain Ho-Hang.

Joanne Wood, formerly Joanne Calderwood. Yes, the Calder, she's married now and has, the Calder is gone now. The Calder is gone. Taking on Tyler Santos.

Good fight. This week's, one of this week's, We got next guests. Adrian Yannas taking on Davy Grant. Tucker Lutz versus Pat Sabatini, Rafa Garcia versus Natan Levy making his debut. Loma Lekbunmi taking on another.

This week's, we got next guest, Lupi Godinez, who is just such a savage. That is not an error, by the way, people. Lupi Goudini is fighting again for the third time in like two months. Such a beast, such a beast. Terrence McKinney versus Ferez Zayem. Cody Durdon versus Aori Ki-Lang, Shilin Nuerre, Dian Bianchi, wow, versus Sean Soriano and Luana Piniro, who is supposed to fight Jessica Penne,

will now fight Sam Hughes. Sam Hughes getting one more crack at the can at her proper weight class. I like Sam Hughes. I know she's has some very tough luck in the UFC, but, you know, some matchmaking issues as well, some of them of her own making, but I, I do like Samuel. 3 o'clock, brother. 3 p.m. Eastern time, prelimbs, 6 p.m. Eastern time, main car.

Okay, I don't... So far. According to ESPN, that is the... Yes, that is... Okay, so that's... I believe that's what it is. So there you go. And we'll match week after that. Then we get a rare weekend off for the real Thanksgiving weekend. And then back at it with a...

What's that now? You're not sliding that one under the fence. Hey, Canadian. Hey, Canadians. Thanksgiving. It's played, right? It's like, Thanksgiving. God, we did that.

Now you're... Well, we'll see you next week, everybody. And just always remember, MMA, along with the holiday season, is supposed to be fun. And let's keep it that way. So for A.K., I am Mike Heck. We'll see you back here next week once again. On to the next one, the podcast. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.