MMA Fighting - On To the Next One | Matches To Make After UFC Vegas 61

Episode Date: October 2, 2022

Yan Xiaonan picked up a gutsy majority decision win over Mackenzie Dern in the main event of Saturday's UFC Vegas 61 event, snapping a two-fight skid in the process. But will she have to fight backwards in order to get back into the title picture the long way, or will she get a step up in the rankings next? On an all-new edition of On To the Next One, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Alexander K. Lee put on the matchmaking hats following the UFC's latest event at the APEX and give their thoughts on what could be next for Yan after a much-needed victory, along with what could be next for Dern following a tough setback. Additionally, future matchups are discussed for Randy Brown following his co-main event decision win over Francisco Trinaldo, Sodiq Yusuff after his quick finish of Don Shainis, Raoni Barcelos, and Mike Davis — which causes quite the debate on the difference in matchmaking suggestions between the co-hosts. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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But the matchmaking hats are back on following U.S. UFC Vegas 61, we suckcha. Get it? We suckcha. Yeah, I know. I still have an icky feeling about that. But we did have a big win in the made-of-end for Janjohnan. A lot of questions on what's next for her opponent, McKenzie Dern, along with some other notable names from the card.

Plus, we'll get to your suggestions as well. But I am Mike Hakek. Joining me as always, the co-host, the co-matchmaker, the Prince of Positivity, and my best friend. So if you mess with him, you mess with him. you mess with me. Mr. Alexander K. Lee. How are you, buddy? Yeah, thank you, my best friend. That's a, that's a strong message to the haters out there. The increasing, you know, they always say if people are hating on you that you're doing something right, but I don't want that. I'd, you know, if that's what it takes, I'd rather be doing it wrong, man. I don't want, I don't want haters,

please people, positivity only, uh, even when it comes to discussing, you know, somewhat, uh, I think the kids would describe Saturday's card as mid. Yeah. Like, it wasn't, you have a hip child. Is that what your child would say? No, he uses the word suss a lot. He doesn't use mid. Sure, among us. It's not, it wasn't mage. Shout out to MJF. I think mid is maybe MJFs as well.

At least he's taking credit for it. Yeah, he's a, he's a fan of it. Yeah. Yes. I would say, you know, just to kind of break down the fourth wall, we were having an internal dialogue on how to headline our post-fight show. And we were discussing whether or not to use. was this the worst fight card of the year?

And we felt like worst was a little too strong. So we actually landed on forgettable. And which means not the worst, but it's not one we're going to be talking about at the end of the year outside of maybe Zuckerberg just taking the whole apex for himself, which I hope to never speak about again. But we, I end up feeling bad about it. It was our YouTube headline for like three minutes.

And I was like, no, I think there were more forgettable cards than this one. But the fact of the fact of the. this one's in the conversation just says a lot about what UFC Vegas 61 was. I think we used that. I almost feel like we used the headline for a UFC card earlier this year, too. I can't remember which one. We used it last year. We used it last year.

We used the last year. Which cardish who had headline by? I don't remember. I was. I don't want to be mean, but. Yeah. Home Vieira. I want to say it was in December.

Was the Derek Lewis Christakis card? It feels somewhat recent. Yeah, that's why I thought, maybe that's why I thought it was not recent I to say within the last 12 months, maybe that's why I thought it was this year. Yeah, because I remember seeing that headline while I was on an airplane and then I listened to it on the way back to South Carolina. And I think it was after, it was the same weekend as the Jake Paul Tyron Woodley fight. I'm just looking at the. But I have to, I don't know if that's correct or not. I'm just looking at a list of UFC events now.

Man, this is a lot of events. a lot of events I just saw it too because I was doing research on like when we use that one it was UFC Vegas 43 it was the Ketland Vieira Misha Tate card Oh Ketlandvira Misha Tate okay

Not that's it was home right okay That's bad Nine more events Mike before the end of the year Nine more we got a little bit of spacing between some of them But man it's a lot of events Some bangers. Some bangers. I'm not complaining.

Some bangers. But boy, that's a lot of events. Yeah, I think all eyes are on UFC 280. Before we get to the matchmaking, first off, I got a lot of questions about this to the DMs. So right off the bat, I'll just get this out of the way. Sending positive vibes to those who were affected by Hurricane Ian because it ravaged a lot of areas, especially in Florida. I know some places in North Carolina took a little bit of a beating.

But from what we were told by our local government here in the low country of South Carolina, they used the words, we dodged a bullet. So we were actually okay. Not much. We just got some wind and some rain. On Friday when they said things are going to get really bad, my kid was actually out riding his bike with his friends later on that afternoon. So we got really lucky.

My parents who were in just in the Orlando, Tampa, Florida area, they got away pretty much Scott Free outside of some rain and wind. But I was looking at videos of Fort Myers. They got absolutely crushed. Naples got crud. got crushed. I know Charlotte, North Carolina, it took a little bit of a beating. So I know a lot of other people are still dealing with the aftermath of that hurricane. So if that's you, hopefully this can give you a little bit of an escape for an hour or so. But my heart goes out to all of you.

Hopefully everything gets fixed. Your power comes back on. You can go back to normal things. But I just wanted to start to show off with that, my best friend. Well said. Well said, sir. Yeah, of course. I echo that sentiment. tough to transition but let's start with yan jonan a okay and before i get into everything you are the king of robbery reviews you are a robbery review guru here for ma fighting dot com and let me just let me just start here i'm not implying in any way that this was a robbery not at all if anyone it would deserve to win this fight in my opinion it was jan jan jan on however i felt like this was a draw I felt like it was a draw.

I gave McKenzie Dern a 10-8 fifth round because it was one-way traffic. And I know some people have an argument against that. But if we were to give Al Jermaine Sterling a 10-8 round against Piotr-Yon at UFC 273 or in any round, it is certainly more than fair to give McKenzie Dern one in the fifth. I didn't give her one in the second. I thought she dominated the round.

I didn't think it was enough for a 10-8. But McKenzie Dern was very close to finishing that fight multiple times. She had her in tough spots. She basically had her mounted or had her back for literally four minutes and 50 seconds of that round. So to me, the dominance, the duration, the UFC stats don't really tell the entire story. I thought McKenzie Dern landed pretty much all the damage in that round. They weren't like big, humongous, significant potentially fight ending strikes.

But to me, if McKenzie Dern just kept punching, she might have won. She might have got a stoppage, but she kept going for the submission. I didn't give her one in the second, like I said. know some did. Jed Bishu actually scored the fight for McKenzie Dern, giving her two 10-8 rounds, but to me, this was a draw, but I'm not totally against Jan winning the fight. So I'm curious, did you score to draw? Or did you score for Yon? I scored it. I would have gone, what's the math if I go 10-8s for Dern in round two and round five? You scored it 47-46 Dern. That's a Dern. That's what Jed did, right? Yep. I guess I'd have to lean that way. It just feels wrong, though. I kind of like the

draw I'm pretty liberal. I'm pretty liberal with 10-8s. I think if people look at Robby Review, I'm consistent with that. The big one for most controversial one I went with was the Al Jermain-Stirling, Peotier, Jan, round two in their rematch. I thought that was a 10-8. And I think if I give that a 10-8, I think I have to give, I'd have to watch the second round again, I guess, between Adirn and Jan again.

But I think I would have to give her the 10-8 as well. She did some ground and pound two, you know, not just going for submissions. there was ground and pound there. So I would lean towards giving me a 10-8, if only because also we need to create, like, you know, I'm a big fan of differentiating between, like, you know, 10-9s and 10-9s. Like, there's so many 10-9s that just aren't the same.

And, like, we have to find a way. Maybe it's adding the decimals that have, you know, 10.5, 9.5, 8.5s. Maybe that will help. I don't know. Until then, I think we have to use 10-8s more frequently. That said, on the feet, it's like, if you look at round three, like Jan Shonan was landing some bombs on McKinsey, Duren.

And I'm like, those shots she landed at McKenzie Duren might have been the most damaging shots of the fight, arguably more damaging than whatever Duren landed on Jan Shaunan in round two. And yet, of course, because it's, you know, the stand-up, unless we see like a real domination or close to being finished, it's hard for us to ward a 10-8. So, again, as we said many times, there's just so many flaws to the 10-point must system.

And M.A. So that's why for me, a draw feels right, even though by my own scoring, I would have gone with sort of a strange 47, 46 score for Dern. A draw feels right. Yon Shon, clearly the better fighter on the feet. Mackenzie Dern, clearly the better fighter on the ground. Credit to Jan for not getting submitted against one of the best jiu-jitsu practitioners in MMA right now. Credit to Dern for having an iron chin and really eating some shots that I'm surprised she eventually recovered from because I thought she got rocked pretty bad and at some point was just going to get like T-K-Oed late in the fight. So a drop feels right. I had it for Dern. I got no issue with the set of scores that there were, the 248-47s for Yon. As you said, it kind of feels like she won.

It kind of feels like if you're going by, scoring by like, you know, one championship rules, just scoring the fight as a whole, I'd probably lean towards Yon. Oh, for sure. But, yeah, the way that scored the must system, boy, really could have gone either way.

So, yeah, I think the draw, I think Justice was, oh, sorry, it wasn't a draw. I think the one draw. Ross score was fine, and I think Yan winning was also fine. So I don't think there needs to be much controversy here. Yeah, I agree. But Jan gets it done.

Like you said, she pieced Dern up on the feet. It was just night and day on the feet, and it was also night and day in the ground. But I will say, Jan Dhan defended very well. And I thought this was a glover to share a Yuri Prakashka type situation in my mind, where soon as Dern gets this fight to the ground, it's Dundzo. And Jan Johnen defended very well. She survives. That's probably the best word to describe it.

And she wins the fight. So what's next? Where does she go from here? I think she's got to wait and take a really tough fight. She's got to take a really tough fight. I don't know when Jessica Andra is coming back, but I guess that's the way to go. I guess that's the way to go. She's not going to, she doesn't, she shouldn't have to fight back.

There's a lot of tough straw weights behind her. I don't think she should. I'm sure she will. I'm sure if they throw one of those names at her, she'll be happy to take it. But she really should move upwards. Again, she just fought Marine Harregas, so that can't happen. And then there's the Zhang Rose as far as a sort of trauma. to the top that needs to be, I mean, that's not going to be shaken loose for a while.

So just got on charge it is, I guess, whenever, whenever she's ready. I feel like this might be a tiny trend, but it's kind of a good news, bad news situation for Janjanon because she gets her first main event. She gets a win. She looked pretty good. But it's only two roads here. It's either going to be a step back for her in the rankings and she has to take on like a young, hungry whippersnapper, or she gets a step up, which I think she's going to

Yeah, and it's not going to be a favorable matchup. So hashtag friends forever. I think she's going to have to fight Jessica Androge, and it could be a tough night at the office for Janjohn. But who knows? I thought this was going to be a tough night at the office for her as well. And at times it was, but she won the fight. I just don't know if she beats Jessica Androge.

But I think that's probably where it goes. But again, if Jessica Androge stays at one, goes up to 125 because Lauren Murphy has said, I'll fight Jessica Andrade in Rio at 125. If Andrade's like, okay, bet, I'll do that. Then Janjan, on gets to breathe a little bit of a sigh of relief and maybe fight somebody else.

But for McKenzie Dern, I don't want to spend a ton of time here, but here's what I'll say before we talk about any opponents. I would like to see here take some time off. I would like to see her take a year off. And just, I know Jason Perillo is a fantastic, a coach and I know he has done tremendous things for her.

She has taken some big strides. I know her stand-up isn't very good, but compared to where it was when she first got into the sport and first got to the UFC, it's like completely different. It's way better than it was before. But she needs to find a wrestling coach. She needs to just focus on wrestling. I'd like to see her go to ATT for a little while

and just go and do those Mako Mondays and just suffer through it. She needs to find a way to, to get land a wrestling style takedown. Because eventually, if her game does not evolve in any way from here, it's going to be just very clear on how to beat her. Just stay the hell away from the fence and just avoid being hip thrown. That's literally all that happens. But she doesn't, like, if she could just shoot in and just find like a Danny Sabate.

Let's just work with Danny Sabatelo for like six months. He'll teach you how to do a freaking takedown. He'll teach you to do a takedown from across the cage. But I would love to see her just focus on wrestling. Don't focus on striking. Don't throw a punch. Don't throw a single punch in the next year. Just focus on wrestling.

Learn some takedowns. But I don't think that's going to happen. So unfortunately, I mean, she's going to take a step back. She's probably going to get a matchup she's going to be favored in. But tough. I think she's going to fight the winner of Angela Hill versus Emily Decodee. Ah. Mike, are you saying hashtag keep the martial arts apart for McKenzie Dern?

I mean, she'd be mixing wrestling and jiu-jitsu. But for the most part, we're saying... Yes, just wrestle your ass off. Go to AKA. Go somewhere else. Go to AKA. Whatever Kevin Holland did, not saying his wrestling is... But Kevin Holland's wrestling has improved quite a bit.

His defensive wrestling has improved a little bit. Do whatever he did. Go to Extreme Couture. Go to AKA. Go to ATT. And just work on wrestling the entire time. And look, McKenzie Dern, we have so much respect for the fact that she has tried to become a worked...

They tried, worked hard to become a more well-rounded martial artist. She clearly is not afraid to strike. She, like I said, she just walked into some of those yon shots and just got blasted and just went in for more. So, again, all the credit, she's super tough. And again, she wants to strike. You can tell you tell her she wants to strike. She wants to be better at it.

She wants to, you know, today, that's what we're told. You need to be well-rounded to be a world champion. That's fine. But I would like to see her work on keeping the martial arts apart. if she just went like Damien Maya style. And before people say, well, Damia, you know, it was limited. It's like, well, he fought for like three, keep challenged for U.C. titles like three times.

So that's pretty good. We want to see McKenzie Dern and fight for a title at least once, win or lose, just to get into a title fight. And you know, the UFC would love that too. So, yeah, take a year off, focus on training, spend time with your adorable daughter, your super handsome husband, and just rest and recover. I mean, I know she said afterwards she wasn't too banged up from this fight,

but there was a lot of cumulative damage in there. And by the way, I say this for any, I think we're, for anyone who thinks we're just singling out like McKenzie Dern. It's like, there's a lot of fighters we wish if they could afford to take a year off. Go for it. Take a year off. Who's our man, Calvin Cater, taking that year off after the Max Holloway fight, coming back looking like a million bucks against Giga Chacazze. Again, I understand, not every fighter can afford to do this. Not every fighter wants to do this.

Some people just love to fight. So McKenzie Dern, whatever works out for you, you know, if you can afford to do it and if you're happy to take the time off, It would be really fun to see because, yeah, she just has this great A plus skill and she had that additional skill to complement it and to force opponents into that world. She really could be a UFC champion. Like I'm sure after last night everyone's like, oh, the door is closed. It's not possible. I still think it's possible. But you're right, Mike.

The way she's fighting now, there's a very clear ceiling to this. Very clear. She's never going to become, I think, well-rounded enough to, with her striking and everything, to become. that kind of champion, but if she can become that dominant, you know, she is a dominant grappler and add like excellent wrestling, she really could become a year's champion. I still believe it. Yeah, she doesn't even need excellent wrestling. She just needs wrestling, some wrestling.

Any kind of wrestling. And she'll be, she'll be very tough to beat. But we'll see what happens. And we'll see where she goes from here. Oh, I didn't even see my pick. Oh, yeah, there you go. Michelle Waterson Gomez. Yeah, I don't, I like that one too.

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But I totally stand by the momentum him changing fence grab. And I'm not going to get into my whole diatribe, but I will say this. Keith Peterson's nickname is a lie. It's a lie. He has accepted so much nonsense in 2022. And Randy did what he should do. What a rule is actually not a rule. He grabbed the fence. He won the round cleanly. And then he went on to to win the fight. Now had Francisco Trinado landed that takedown, he might have lost that first round. But you know what? He did the right thing. It was very, it was a wily veteran movement. in my opinion, and now he's got four wins in a row in the welterweight division. So what is next for Mr. Rudeboy, A.K.

By the way, that's the other thing McKenzie Dern could do more is cheat. Oh, cheat your ass off. Again, like, Janjohn, from McKenzie Dern was complaining. Apparently Janjohn cheated a little bit with some glove grabs. So. On the gloves, yeah. And yeah, that's the thing. Look, look, we talk about like her takedowns usually happen against the cage.

They could be even more effective if she grabbed, you know, if she's working for that takedown, grab the little fence there for leverage. Just cheat. Just cheat. Randy Brown. I have no. criticism of Randy Brown whatsoever. I know a lot of fans, there's some purest fans out there, but this is the difference

again between him, winning his fourth straight fight, being a very tough veteran in Francisco Trinando, picking up a co-main event win in front of Mark Zuckerberg, and getting his win bonus. And he's been around the UFC for a while, so his win bonus probably pretty substantial. Probably does not feel good to miss out on that extra paycheck. So Randy Brown, hats off to you, you know. Trinaldo, a very good fighter, very tough guy to get by. He pulled it off.

I'm going another veteran for Randy Brown. I think a lot of people might not have been super excited by that win. Like I said, solid win, solid win, maybe not like a signature victory for Randy Brown. So he's got to keep climbing. He's kind of stuck just outside the top of Dean, you know, in that top, just outside the top 15, top 20 cluster. So I'll put him with another guy who's in there. Gunner Nelson.

Oh, interesting matchup. just veteran guy, interesting style matchup. Another guy who's a good striker, but also good grappler, well-rounded. So, again, I didn't go too high with Randy Brown. He has to kind of keep mixing up with these guys and hope one of those top 15 welter weights opens up. When I thought about this one, I thought for sure we're going to have a friend's fair moment. I really did.

I thought it was coming. I have to look at a... Well, I know what you're going to say. What am I going to say? You're going to say Michael Kesa. No, I'm not going to say. Oh, no, okay. That was a popular listener pick.

All right, where are you going with this? I'm not going to say Michael Kiesa. I'm going to, so one of the things that I actually did enjoy about the card was that we had a battle for the 16th best middleweight in the world. Yes, we did. And I think we have a tie right now, potentially for the 16th best welterweight in the world. So I think it's time to break that tie. Jake Matthews needs an opponent. It doesn't look like he's getting it.

top 15 guy. So let's just settle the beef. Let's settle the beef for the welterweightiest welterweight in the UFC, Randy Brown versus Jake Matthews. Winner gets a ranking spot. That's my pick. The stakes couldn't be any higher. Wow. You mentioned it. Yeah, it's like, it's funny. I still think of Randy Brown and Jake Matthews as, I mean, they're young. They're young. Both of them, neither of them are even 30 yet, I don't think. I think Randy Brown's 29. Jake Matthews debuted in the UFC when he was like 21 years old or something. And yeah, Randy Brown last night was his 14th UFC appearance and Jake Matthew's last bite was his 16th UFC appearance.

So even though they're young guys, man, they got a lot of UFC experience and both have really good records too. Randy Brown now 10 and 4, Jake Matthews now 11 and 5. Was this the pick before the show, Mike, that you were telling me I would... Oh, no. Oh, we're building up to that still. Okay.

Oh, no. There is the pick of all picks. And I'm so excited to talk about that, but that is not now. That is a little bit later on. Okay. I can't guess. I couldn't guess what you might be talking about.

Let's go to Hione Barcellos because he just dominates Trevin Jones. And I say this with all due respect. This fight was not competitive. I thought it might possibly get somewhat competitive in the second round, but it didn't get competitive. When you're out here dropping 30-25s on dudes, that was a hell of performance. He bounced back nicely from the loss to the real boogeyman of the 135-pound division,

won Victor Henry, aka I'm going back to the tiny trend here. I'm going to play a little bit of good news, bad news. This is more like good news, good news, than really bad news with this pick. Because the good news is I think he's going to get what he wants. He's going to take a few months off. Not too, too long, but he's about to be a dad. He said in this post-fight interview.

He wants to fight on that Brazil card at UFC 283. And I think he's going to get that wish. The bad news is he's going to have to fight Umar and Amaga Madoff. And that is awful. So let's see if Hione Barcelos can create a new nickname for him. himself the Nirmagamadoff killer because he already got win over one Nirmagamatov. He took out Saeed. And if he could beat Umar, that's a massive win.

And he's off to the races. So that's my pick, what say you? The Nirmagameh Madov Hunter. They don't do it. They didn't do Hunter anymore. Sakharabo is the only one who got the hunter name. I guess it's really hard. I mean, there has to be enough of a family for you to fight and then you have to actually

beat them and then, okay, fine. Yeah, I like Umar. I was so close. I actually almost broke my. rule and I almost booked a fight for Frankie Edgar I almost said Barcelos, Frankie A mainly because I think Barcellos I really like how many Barcellos

I don't think he has one punch like kill power which is good though again with I don't know where Frankie is at the stage of his career who knows that Barcellus certainly could and also Barcells super well rounded there could be some fun scrambles Frankie would get to mix the martial arts a lot in his last

fight Shawf is wrestling show up as beautiful striking I just think it'd be a super fun fight and if he lost to Barcellos his last fight. There'd be like no shame in it because I think Bursailles is a really a budding contender and one of those guys who like is not ranked in our top 15 right now but skill skill for skill if he were in like

a lot of other divisions he's like a top 15 guy but I went with another veteran instead so I still have not booked a fight for Frankie Edgar in many many many a months Pedro Munoz let's just give him a veteran let's give him a guy who's kind of in a weird place the O'Malley fight has left such a bad taste

in people's mouths he's on a losing streak, but again, I don't know. I just don't view him that way. He definitely needs a win, but, and he could beat Rahani Bossa. I don't know. I think it's a good matchup. So I went with that. I've got a lot of, I'm trying not a lot of veterans here.

Trying not a lot of veterans with my picks this week. A.K. Surique Yusuf entered the octagon with a bit of a chip on his shoulder. I said he fought angry. I think he definitely fought angry. He was fired up. He's ready to take out some aggression. He was supposed to fight geek in Chicago. a couple weeks earlier, Chikaze out of the fight, enter New England's Don Channis,

who I was told Channis was actually offered the fight on that same card. And John's like, come on, dude. Like, there's no way I can make that. There's no way I can make $1.45 in like a week. It's just not possible. So they push it back a couple weeks. And Tudik Yusuf fought like a minus 1,000 favor is supposed to fight. He just beat the hell out of Don Chanis.

And then he choked him and won the fight. So he wants to get back in there. He calls out the Korean zombie. So two questions. One, do you like that idea? And two, do you still want to defend your very public pick of Don Channis against Siddek Yusuf? It went exactly. Well, I'll say, Chanis fought exactly like he said he would.

Like we thought he would. He went right at him. I mean, he went, he got in Yusuf's face. And then, but I don't know if it was one of you or I want to give credit to someone's analysis that, I want to say it was one of you guys, that Yusuf, he, His fast finishes that he had earlier in his UFC career, you know, came due to the aggression of his opponents, typically. So, you know, there was a thought that, well, if Channis comes out the same way, we will see sort of the less methodical use of and then, you know, the quick finisher that he'd been in the past. And sure enough, that is what we got.

Because he's a great fighter. He's right. There are levels to this. I still think Don Channis is actually pretty good. You know, funny a guy in short notes like that is tough. And I think he didn't have much of a choice, honestly, but besides just going at him. And it didn't work out this time.

30 second submission. Great performance by Sadiq Uyf. I got kind of lazy with this one, Mike. I mean, is it not possible to rebook? Because we don't know what Giga Chikaze situation is, right? So I kind of just like treat this like a mulligan. Good for Yusif for getting a paycheck and its win bonus. Get another W in that column.

But the Chikaze fight was really made a lot of. sense for him. And if he can, whatever's up with Giga, if that fight can be remade sooner rather than later, probably the way to go. Don't hate it. Again, a little too unclear. This is kind of a going back to the tiny trend, AK. Good news, bad news situation. He wants screened zombies. He's not going to get it. Unfortunately, he's going to have to fight a dude who's just an absolute killer, undefeated, looking for a fight, kind of in the same position that Sadiq was in not too long ago. He's in right now. He's supposed to fight Edson Barbosa, October 29.

It's Elliot Tuporia, okay? And shout out to someone on Twitter who actually threw that idea out. I can't remember who it was. I saw a lot of that here. Because, yeah, I mean, I think Tuporia, from all accounts, the UFC is still trying to find an opponent for him.

And I feel like we're going to be in the same type of boat where Tepore is just going to fight whoever the UFC puts in front of him. And we're going to have a very similar style performance where he just runs this poor guy over. And, yeah. I think that's what's going to happen. I think they're just going to pair these two guys up before the end of the year, or maybe in January. But, yeah, Teporia fights, wins convincingly. Probably gets a first round, brutal knockout, and then he goes on and fights to Dique Yusuf.

That's a great fight. That's a great fight. I love that matchup. Should Yusuf have gotten a bonus? No. Because of the circumstances? I just think, I mean, maybe Dana took care of him outside. Maybe the Zuckman threw him a couple bucks or something, threw him a couple, uh,

a couple of shares in the old FB but yeah I just I don't know she's the biggest favorite on the card by a by a mile I don't know this should have been in everyone gets a bonus everyone who got a finish gets a bonus night

I mean if they gave him one I wouldn't be upset about it but because they did the two extra they did like why only two extra yeah if they if they were like we're only giving away two extra bonuses then so he doesn't get one yeah but why only do that like that's the only thing is like so they everyone everyone got a finish everyone who got a finish got a bonus except for him, technically, because Santos and Castaneda also got a bonus for fight of the night.

So literally, yeah, everyone who got a finish got a bonus. Did he shout out skinny bets? I think he was one of the people who said. Oh, that's it. But I think some of the fighters, did Brennan not do that too? Shout out some other, I don't know. Oh, yeah, he might have. He might have.

There was a lot of, if the UFC has a problem with it, again, as I always say, pay your fighters more. If you have a problem with them seeking sponsors that, you know, whatever you have an issue with, Hey, maybe just pay them more money so they don't do that. But anyway, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, okay, it's fine. I'm sure if Casey were here, he would say, oh, you don't get a bonus for submitting a guy on, you know, a UFC newcomer or short notice guy in 30 seconds.

Like you did what was expected of you, but it is funny that he's the only guy who didn't get a bonus. So that is tough luck. But you're right, Mike. The good news is if they can maybe reward him with a big fight with Toporia, he gets another win. That's four checks in one month, possibly a bonus check that time. If he finishes Deporia, he's definitely getting a bit. bonus check. So it could be five check month.

Yeah. Youssef if he if he gets that fight. I don't let me just be clear. I don't think this fight happens October 29th. I think to Poria will fight somebody else. And just run over whoever he fights a very similar situation where he'd be like a minus thousand favorite against you know, you know, you know who should step in and take that fight. Don Channis. Yeah, of course. I mean, got to get that got to get that got to get that one back, dude. Listen, and even if you're Don Chian is and you lose, that's a two check October. Yes. Absolutely.

Absolutely. He might have made more in 30 seconds than he made his entire regional run. Probably. There's a very strong possibility. It was nice to, go ahead. That wasn't, that wasn't the, it's still coming? Oh, it's still coming. Oh, it's still coming.

We're not, we're getting closer. The listeners are at a lather right now, Mike. Let's talk about, speaking of skinny bets, let's talk about Mike Davis, because he returned, looked pretty darn good against Slava Clause to open the main card. He looked fantastic. He basically fought the third round with one eye. I thought he won 3027. 3026 was fine.

I didn't like the 29, 28 at all. But, I mean, listen, especially when I found out how the rounds were actually scored. So if you wanted to make a case that Slava Claus won the third round because he damaged Davis's eye, I ain't going to be mad at you. But the fact that the judge gave Slava Claus round two is an abomination. It's horrendous. I think it was our old pal Douglas Crosby. Oh, Dougie.

It may have been involved in this score. Yeah, Doug. Just go back to Patty mayonnaise and stop judging fights because that is an egregious scorecard. That's horrible. Just really bad. But Mike Davis comes back, 20-month layoff, made the most of the post-fight promo time, kind of basically a 30-second promo radio ad on the Skinny Betts website. And it was a good win.

I think this guy is super talented. He's been one of the most unlucky fighters in the company, AK. So I'm curious. Were you impressed with Mike Davis? and what would you like to see for him next after another victory inside the cage? I was very impressed with Mike Davis, but I want to ask you,

what was more egregious, Mike Davis's 30-second ad spot or Ilya the TPP's a two-minute Hall of Fame induction speech. We love you, we love you. Paul Feldar, we love you. Elier, you got to know when, you got to know, kind of.

Yeah, Paul, you got to do a better. It falls so good at that, but We criticized Joe Rogan a lot. I almost guarantee Joe Rogan would have kind of found a way to interject in there. And not like cut him off rudely, but kind of move on to the next part of the interview. I know Paul Felder's being very respectful.

But yeah, at some point you have to. Because he thought he was actually going to retire. It didn't retire. If he's going to retire, I get, yeah, if you're Paul Felder, you're in a tough spot. If guy's making like an official retirement speech, you don't want to stop him.

You want to let him have his moment. But yeah, he kind of kept waffling. At one point, he actually reached onto his glove And it looked like he was taking the boat to take the tape off. And then he put the tape back on and kept going. I hope they put that clip on. I assume it's on the UFC's YouTube because like you can, we literally just saw him, Elin Latifi, like deliberate on live television, whether he should retire or not in front of all of us.

Like talking to himself, talking to Paul Felder, talking to the camera, like, should I, shouldn't I? And then at the end, we think didn't. We know he's a free agent or not, he's going into free agency. but apparently not retired. So that was not a fun moment. That whole retirement waffle wasn't even the most egregious thing of that speech. The most egregious part of that speech was the fact that he said he got a freaking staff infection two days before the fight. Yeah.

And we're all wondering, did he get cleared? Now what's up with Alexiolinich or any other fighter that went into the cage afterwards? I'm sure they spray it down, obviously. But I mean, they went right to the next fight. Like because there was nine, it was, what time was it? It was 635 Eastern. The main car is supposed to start at seven. They literally did the graphic for the next fight and then they walked out and fought.

I'm sure they did a little quick wipe down. They must have that we didn't see on camera. I don't know. But yeah, there was a lot going on in that speech. If he had a stat infection, that's not good. Yeah, Mike Davis was very impressive. This guy's so good. Everyone's just saying he just needs to get healthy.

He gets get healthy, get some luck with his matchups, get back in action. really well-rounded guy did the smart thing which is, you know, used his wrestling in this case. He's an amazing striker we've seen that, but used his wrestling

against Slava Claus. So very smart. Next for him, a lot of ways you could go. I want to see, I'm not quite ready to throw him up in their top 20. I'm keeping him a little bit

just outside. I think he'd match it really well with Jared Gordon. Jared Gordon's kind of on a nice run. Let's put those guys together and see you can really make a statement that they deserve like a top 20 opponent because I think they're both

close, I think they're both good enough to match up with a lot of those guys in the top 20. I just don't think they've quite put together the run yet, but they're about like one win away, one win away, both guys. So I like that one. I like the pick. It's the wrong pick, but I like the pick because it is now time for the T's, AK, is now time to reveal the T's because I'm doing it. I'm doing it.

I'm pulling the damn trigger. I'm saying the name and I'm saying the date. I'm saying the card and I'm saying the little. location, December 10th, 2022, Las Vegas, Nevada, UFC 282, Mike Davis returns and takes on

Patty the freaking baddie. This is it, man. This is it. How do you hate it? If he wants, this is, if we're talking about rankings, Jamie, first of all,

Jamie Malarky's probably ranked higher than Mike Davis right now. So I'm just putting that out there. If he wants to make, if Patty Pimbleit wants to make me and everyone else who doubts this man in any way a believer, you go and fight this guy. I don't even care if you win. Just go out there and fight this guy. You go out and have a competitive fight with Mike Davis,

who like I said, I have ranked slightly lower than Jamie Malarkey because of just he just doesn't fight enough. And if he beats Mike Davis, heck of a morning on that Tuesday is going to be a Patty Pimbleau apology the entire time. I'm on board. I'm doing it. This is the one. If we're not going to do this, this is, this is it. If we're not going to do squash match patty, which I have been an advocate for, just throw them in the London cards and let him run dudes over. If we're not going to throw them into a top 15 fight right now, we have to find somewhere in the middle. And guess who that person is? It's Mike Davis. This is the perfect step up in terms of rankings, in terms of meritocracy. And Mike Davis gets a big fight that he deserves.

let's see if he can overcome all these bad luck and injuries. I think Mike Davis friggin deserves this opportunity. So I'm doing it. I'm pulling the trigger. Mike Davis versus Patty Pimblet. Let's go. Let's go. Because it's a win-win.

It's a win-win for the UFC. This is a win-win type of matchup. I appreciate you trying to get your fellow Mike a red panty night, as it were. I don't love this matchup. I'll jump ahead of here to listen to a listener fit quickly because you are now hashtag friends forever with Barry O'Reilly. Barry Riley is saying no way the UFC makes this, the Mike Davis Pamela a matchup.

But my reasoning is Davis is a fun fighter looking for more followers. If he loses, literally looking for more followers. Exactly. And good for you, Mike Davis, by the way, for campaigning for it. Because I think it was, I want to say it was Steffey Haynes on Twitter. I apologize if I'm if I miss quoting. But I think it was Stephanie Haynes to explain like, you know, there's a lot of people going like, oh,

Mike Davis shouldn't be begging for followers on TV. It's like, why not? Why not? The UFC puts a lot of weight on social media following. It's true. So whatever Mike Davis is hustling in the gym, in the cage, and if he's hustling on social media, good for him. He has to.

They base a lot of it on that. It shouldn't be that way, but it is true. Anyway, so Barry goes on to say, if he loses to Pimblet, it's a legit name on Patty's record. While if he was to beat a Patty Pimbleet, he'd get a lot of hype and followers. And as someone the UFC can build as a potential star due to his fan-friendly fighting style. In principle, I agree with what Barry's saying and what you're saying, Mike. But I don't think the problem is Mike Davis has been gone for so long.

His name has no currency. People don't know how good this guy is. Like your average, Joe Schmo doesn't know how good this guy is. And it's definitely not a squash match. Like we said, I would favor Mike Davis. And I would think he would probably end up as the underdog just because, you know, Patty Pimmel is the bigger name by Fight Night. But I would gladly take that dog.

If that's the case. I'd be betting, hypothetically speaking, I'd be betting Mike Davis all the way. Like, I'd be taking, if there's plus on Mike Davis, I'm going all the way. I just think Mike Davis is that good. And that's why I don't think he's the guy to put against Patty right now.

You're both right. It would give Patty a lot of credibility, but more so I think among, like, the dedicated fans. I think the casual fans wouldn't care. Like, I think to the casual fan, Mike Davis is on the same level as Jordan Levitt. And I don't think that's the case. Jordan Levitt's a good fighter.

I think Mike Davis is a notch well above him. But I think people don't know that. I just don't think his name has any cachet. And I think it's a really dangerous fight for Patty. And I don't think he gains a lot from beating Mike Davis for a majority of viewers. Not us. Us, we'd be like, wow, this is serious. And I would love to see you on Heck of a morning having to react to that.

But I just don't think it resonates in a grander sense. That's my issue with the matchup, like. Listen, I get where you're coming from. But I mean, Jordan Levitt doesn't resonate that much outside of the twerking thing. Like if Jordan Levin didn't have the twerk gimmick, yeah. But I think he was a lot less. But I think he was a lot less dangerous than,

I think a lot less dangerous than me. Yeah. But we got it. We got to get past, but we have to decide what we're going to do. Okay. We're either giving him Tony Ferguson or we're giving him squash matches.

You get, if you're going to build towards Tony Ferguson, he has to fight somebody. But the Tony Ferguson match, Tony Ferguson has a name. That's like, Tony Ferguson, that's to me makes more sense.

He could lose the Tony Ferguson and be like, oh, well, it's freaking Tony Ferguson. And he beats Tony Ferguson. Tony Ferguson is a huge name. If he beats, if he loses to Mike Davis, again,

people don't really know who Mike Davis is. Your average person doesn't know who Mike Davis is. If he beats Mike Davis, it's still the case. People don't know who Mike Davis is. They don't understand what a big deal that would be.

That's the thing. So that's why I want, if he's going to go against someone who really has a chance to beat him, they need that name value. That's why I keep throwing that Tony Ferguson out there. I don't like it, Mike.

We are, we are. It's the correct answer. And I, I apologize to all the listeners for that pick being, built up so much. I know you're all as disappointed as I am. No, it's the one. I apologize on behalf of Mike.

Patty Pimilett is the most used name on this program by a mile and this is the one. I want to see if Patty would take it. I want to see a Patty would take it. I'll fight anybody the UFC tells me. Okay, fight this guy. Fight him in Vegas. You bring your damn

countrymen over. You'll be a star. You'll get put on the main card. It'll be a very big deal. People let us know. Let us know what you think. Let us slide in my DMs, Landa Mike's DMs. You guys know how to reach us. Let us know what you think. We have to do a poll.

We have to do a poll on us. We'll have to do a poll somewhere. Yeah. Maybe you, I think you have more followers. Maybe you tweet it. I'll retweet it. And then we'll go, we'll figure that out from there. But yeah, I am curious because I hate that.

I hate, when I saw Barry send it to me, I hated it. I heard you say it. Mike, I hated even more. I love you. I hate you. I hate to pick even more now. I hate it. I hate it as much as you hated Tony Ferguson and Patty Pimbleblet when that came up a few months ago.

I'm not a fan. Well, let's move on. Let's move on. We'll try to. We'll try to. Let's move on before we... I mean, do I win Otnao if that's the fight? Yeah, that's a huge.

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So there's, so the command center here is also my garage. So if my kid wants to go out and ride his bike, we get to open the garage and bring the bike out. And if he's done, we got to bring it back in. So when the door opens, if it's open for a long period of time, there's always like one. pesky little pricky fly that always comes in and this one's just driving me crazy. So if you've heard like little thumps throughout, it's me trying not to leave my desk and trying to smack this thing away. But he's quicker than a hiccup, baby. And I can't get him.

And he keeps just like flying all around my head. It's driving me crazy. But let's go to the wild card round. One fighter. We have not match made for yet. We will match make for them right now. AK, who are you going with here? I'm not going for a point here.

I just need to make a go on a little rant. Chelsea Chandler, great debut, a very promising fighter. Can we just have her fight a featherweight next? I don't care. Or fight a bant weight. I don't, Mike, you, again, you're more, I think, you know, tuned in to, you know, with going on with managers and just, you know, generally people on the inside than I am. Are a lot of these women fighters who could fight at 145?

Are they being told that there is no division? Like, don't fight at 145. We are, we only promote 135, 125, 115, 115. I don't understand. Is there an active, like, is the UFC kind of just like nudging fighters to make that drop down? Is there just, are they, even though there is a title in that division, are they just talking people don't actively go for it? I don't, I don't, I think we, I think we broke this fight because Chelsea Chandler was supposed to fight Leah Lettson. Yes.

And the fight was at Bantamweight. It was going to be a Bantam way. And I remember asking like both sides. I was like, is this like really the case? And they said, yeah, it's 135. I was like, all right, I guess it's at 135. So why? I don't know.

I don't understand. Leah Letson is a featherweight. Yeah, her most recent fight was at 130, was it 145? It's been a while since Lee Lutzen has fought, but it was at 145. Yeah, and Chelsea's a featherweight as well. But they were both willing to make the drop and, you know, kudos to them. But I will say I have also picked Chelsea Chandler for a wild card. And I've actually given her a featherweight fight.

Okay. Please go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'll continue my rant in a moment, please. Norma Dumont. Just do that one. I'm fine.

That's logical. Like, that's what they should do. They said on the broad, John Anderson, the broadcast, that fighting at 145 was not an option. I think he meant specifically for this fight, I think. I think so, yeah. Did he mean? Yeah, maybe Stoliorenko did not want to go up to 145 or didn't want to. Yeah, because she's abatim weight, so.

But it's weird. If you listen to the comment on that fight, there's a lot, or before and after the fight, at least, there's kind of a lot of dancing around, like, even saying the word featherweight. I don't know. I don't, I feel like there's some company mandate that they're just like, we don't promote the featherweight division. It's not a division. That's why we want fighters to try and make the drop down. But listen, and I have been number one, people can see. I probably commented on Twitter.

I probably said on shows of saying there's a reason why, like, certain, like a lot of major promotions had not. invested at women's featherweight for the longest time because there just wasn't enough talent that division or at least not enough fighters willing to go up and fight at 145. That is not the case anymore. I do think you could have a 20 to 25 woman division in the UFC with if some of the bantam weights go up, if they bring in some feather weights. Bantam weight right now only has, I'm looking, I think about 23, 25 going by my own rankings, active fighters, maybe 30, if I'm not counting people who haven't debuted yet, at most 30 bantam weights.

So you don't need that many fighters to have a division, especially when you have a champion at the top of that division. There's a belt to go for. I just don't want to keep seeing these fighters have to cut down if they don't, like, why are we making Chelsea Chandler cut down? I don't understand. She's very comfortable fighting 145. Macy Chiasen was very comfortable fighting 145. Why are they only going for this one belt when there is a champion with two belts who would? but be very happy to collect paychecks fighting at 135 or 145.

She wouldn't care. She gets paid championship money either way. So I don't know, Mike. It's very upsetting. I've understood the reluctance in the past, but now I think we should be telling fighters, go ahead. If you're more comfortable fighting, if your woman, more comfortable fighting at 145, let's do it and let's make at least a little mini division of 15 fighters.

You could definitely do it with, there's enough names there. Yeah. Frustrating, man. Why sign them? Like, I, you know that there's a, there's such a potential for risk with weight misses and things like that. I don't get it. But, yeah, Chandler Dumontz was what I went with. Just do it at 145.

Who cares? Like, you're still, like, Duan's still having 45 fights. She just fought earlier, not earlier this month because it's October now, but she fought in September at 45. Like, what are we doing here? Weight cutting is silly. Making women's feather weights cut down the band to wait for no reason is extra silly. Yeah, I agree. It's so, it's so, it's so, it's so to fight other.

fighters who again were recently fighting at feather weights i don't i just don't why you have a friggin champion in the division you have there's about to go for your your two wins away you go to 145 your two wins away so silly um okay do we have any extracurriculars i k gosh i feel like we i feel like we did a lot of extracurriculars just in our opening opening segment i will say check the tapes let's get points out there for m mhm a heads who uh nerd and bK versus derrick Good call there, November 5th. Thomas Collins, I'm giving you a point too, sir. Other people might have mentioned this, but you know, you're the only one who nudged me.

So people, if you want points, just bother me and I'll get you a point. Thomas Collins, like the Brad Tavares Robocop, Greg Rodriguez matchup, UFC 283, January 21st. And then a smattering of points to all the listeners for the Daniel Rodriguez Magni fight, which is underway, which is, I don't know, an official yet, but we know it's in the works, October 15th. Derek Lewis, Sergey Spivak November 19th, and Calvin Gasselam and Nassar Dean Imov kicking off

the new year on January 14th. So a lot of people had those, great picks. All right. No mic checks. None of that stuff? No, I have a feeling one of us is going to get checked for the Mike Davis, Patty Pimbleau stuff next week. So we'll see. If you disagree with one of us, send it in. Let us know. Patty Pimbleau always

always an intriguing matchmaking topic. And that's an interesting. I will say, the Mike Davis one, I hate it, but you weren't the only one. Mike, you weren't the only one to just Barry O'Reilly. I think one of our most trusty listener matchmakers, and he loved it. He loves it. It's like doing P90X. You hate it, but you love it.

Is that what you're doing? Because you are swole, so maybe I need to do that. I did once upon a time, but the guy who was the coach on P90X, it would always start with like, this is tough. He goes, you hate it, but you love it. And me and my wife just always joke around all the time about that quote. Let's get to listen to her picks. Let's get into there.

Let me hit up with a disclaimer. Please, please this time. Guys, Scattergories rule, if you're the only one with a pick, you're probably getting a point. Please people watch,

you know, common mistakes, wrong weight class, people who fought already. If you didn't put like a two or rematch next to the name, I'm going to assume you didn't know. People with a significant injury

that we should all know about, you know, don't match them up. People who have been released, hard to queue track up, but try and note that. People who are already booked. This is easy to check.

People who are teammates. Teammates or best friends, friends, Mike, because people stop sending in Brendan Allen and Gerald Mearschart. This is not the first time this happened on the show. I think it happened after Gerald Mearschart's last fight too. We get a lot of like, these two have both been around forever and they've like, they're both great grapplers. I can't believe this hasn't happened. I was like, yes, they're best friends.

They're not going to fight each other. They're buds. Maybe if they were both offered, you know, a title fight, a little fight someday or just like, oh, here's a million dollars, go fight each other guys. Yeah, I'm sure they'd enjoy punching each other in the face. but for some random like a prelim or like featured main card belt they're not going to do that it's just guys please stop saying the last time i interviewed gerald meershard when he was at his house he had a rebach cornerman's jacket their buddies with alan's last name on it hanging on his wall

so there you go you never know an mMA but we're just saying highly unlikely stop matching them up their friends and of course guys your pickets might be doo-do and we don't want to read it and that hopefully that doesn't happen too much but yeah well speak Speaking of DoDoo, Dad Jackson kicks us off. Oh my gosh. He started out with Brennan versus Derek Brunson, who is supposed to fight Jackermanston. And then I already responded with Doodoo. And he goes, yeah, I know.

He says, Latifi should retire, then immediately join the PFL. That's actually a good pick. I saw a lot of that. I saw a few of those, yeah. Joachim Silver versus Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson is booked to fight already in December against Marksia Casey. Slava Claus versus Artem Loboff and BKFC. Could have sold out MSG, but we're too worried about McGregor

of Mayweather. I think he might have had a couple of a couple of pops last night. Whirlipops, yeah. He still still needs Sudeek versus Giga. Jan versus Rose Nami Yunis. I think that's a popular one. Again, Rose is kind of tough because she might go up to 125. Who knows? And I kind of would like to see her go up to 125 for being honest. Dern versus Androge and the aforementioned Randy Brown versus Michael Kiesa. Robbie Ryan, good day, Mick. Early nomination for, this is an early one, by the way. say, by the way, I do not want to see McKenzie Dern fight Jessica Entrash.

No, God. I think that goes very, very badly for her. She would get dumped in our head very quick. Yeah, it would not be good. It would not be good. That would be a career changer. He actually sent an early nomination for Otno. Understand his level of competition hasn't been outstanding yet,

but I am well and truly on the bow-nickel hype train to Toot. I reckon he can be competitive right now with anyone 25 to 15. I like the winner of Wilmington tournament versus Andrea Petrosky, but that likely wouldn't happen until at least early 2023. I think Bo is ready to go again now. I know he's recently retired, but Kevin Holland would be an interesting matchup for the end of 22. Of course,

Bo Nickel can now be match made for, but not again until December 11th because he's fighting Jamie Pickett. So, but he tried to get out in front of the first announcement, unfortunately he does not get an ot no point. He says, Jan versus Androge,

the obvious matchup. I'd be interested to see Dern versus Thug Rose, but maybe not just yet. Dern versus Loopy Godinez is probably a more appropriate fight right now. Now, from what I understand, and I've looked this up to try to confirm this, apparently Loopy might have a fight coming up very soon,

but I'm not 100% sure on that. So I've reached out to the appropriate people to see if that is actually the case. So stay tuned for that. I could be totally wrong, but someone reached out to me and said that she's fighting at a certain date, and I didn't think much of,

of it. And then I was just like, wait a minute. Who's she fighting? So hopefully I get an answer on that. Plus, win or lose. You throw that McKenzie Dern fight. She'll hop on that in about two seconds. Yeah, I love that idea. She doesn't care. I'd be down for that. I thought about that myself. Randy Brown versus Wonderboy. We did get a Brendan Allen GM3,

but we've already disclaimed that. Hione-Barsely versus Davy Grant. Not a bad idea. I think Barcell is a little bit above that if we're being honest. And he makes a bold prediction, AK. I think you should go and go to draft. King's in place of futures bet. By the way, McKenzie Dern will be UFC Strawway champion by the end of 2023.

What? That's what you said. How? How. That's what you said. How. Who's this? This is Robbie Ryan. Robbie Ryan, a regular.

Yeah. Send in your math. Send in your math. If you make a statement like that after kind of a tough performance like she had on, I mean, actually it wasn't a tough, it wasn't a bad performance, but a tough loss, a tough loss on Saturday. you're going to have to explain the path there. Because I agree. I think she can be a UFC champion someday.

I think 2023 is completely out of the cards. I do not see a path to that at all, given the other fights in front of the rankings that still have to take place. I don't see how that's possible. Yeah. And you have to think, no matter who comes out of the UFC 281 card

as the strawaway champion, neither of those two women fight all that often. Yeah, right? Like they fight once, maybe twice a year. That's a problem. So what did you think of the Randy Brown Wonderboy suggestion? Don't hate it. Who would you pick in that fight?

I'd probably pick Randy Brown. Man, I might, I don't know. I'm still, it's a 50th. It's close. It's close. He's such a bad matchup for so many people. Like, Luke A is an amazing way. But Randy can wrestle, though.

Randy can wrestle. This is true. And that has been a big problem for Thompson's recent losses, yes. But man, I don't. Yeah, that's true. That's one thing Luke K could not do. Loki can not just impose his will with wrestling. Okay, fair enough.

Chris London. It's been a while. decent card can't wait for 280 durn versus covalcovic now covalcavich my friend is fighting UFC 281 against sylvania Gomez-horres come on now another brown another brown kiazza

francisco trinaldo versus Ian Gary do you like that idea I do love it love it I think uh maybe a little bit too tough of a matchup Trinaldo is just but but listen if we're serious while pushing Ian Gary who and again I know this sounds similar to kind of how we talk about

pimble but Ian Gary I think is a much stronger prospect not just say fame-wise, but it's just what we've seen from his fights. I'm willing to take that risk with him. And again, a loss to Trinaldo, which does not, like, ruin his career, you know. Barselylis versus Jack Shore. Jack Schor is injured, so can't accept that one.

Trevin Jones, I didn't think we get a lot of Trevin Jones picks, but he's picking Tony Gravely. I don't like that fight. I think Tony wins that one pretty easily. But what I wouldn't suggest, and this is almost my wildcard selection, Trevin Jones versus Randy Costa Winner stays Loser leaves

That had been a great like Contender Series main event Like you put it on the line Shocking start to the card Yeah I like Ninja Kinetti He's a very talented fighter But man I'm also

Everyone knows I'm like As far as age gaps go And MMA If there's like a 10 year age gap between guys I'm going to lean to the words More than 10 years in this case I'm going to lean towards the younger guy like 99 out of 100 times.

I depends what the names are, of course, but that was shocking. I mean, we shouldn't be at this point. I don't know. I mean, Guido-Kennetti just keeps finding away. Chris Moutinho, how old is Christmortino? Chris Mettino is probably around the same age as Randy Costa, I assume?

A little bit older. A little bit older, yeah. But still considerably younger than Guido Canetti. So, hey, listen, maybe this keep throwing young guys at Guido and at their own risk. Yusuf versus zombie or chikaze Mike Davis versus Bobby Green Now Bobby Green

I don't know what's going on with him I think he just had a surgery I saw on Instagram So he could be out for a little while But I mean Mike again Mike is Mike is not the most active guy in the world So maybe that could happen Borchette versus Jai Herbert

Santos versus Paiva Castaneda versus Aletangeli Latifi and Olin retire Silva Benoit Saint Denis I don't like that match for Silva at all Brennan-Ele versus Andre Munez and Kennedy versus Canadian Chad and Ellinger.

Okay. Don't mind that one. Let's go to Toby. Let's see if we have anything different here. Dern versus the loser of Zhang Wei Lee versus Carlos Sparzo. I don't know if I love that one. Not a fan. I think I think it's just too much.

I don't think she does well against either of those fighters. I don't either. I right now. Brown, Kevin Holland. He's 100% not retiring. Ha-ha. Ternaldo versus Gunner Nelson. Barcellos versus

Yaya in Rio Yusuf Teporia Shainis Blake Builder or Bilder Davis Klein Ludovic Klein Slava versus Trevor Peake Santos Kang

Kaganada Dinaabat Garee Olenik Chris Barnett I don't mind that one That'd be Oh boy that'd be fun That'd be fun for as long as the last Yeah but that has to be the last fight for Alexiolanic Oh I watched Alexi Olenic age 15

years in that fight. It was not fun to watch. That was an awful fight. Silva versus Raphael Alves, Allen, Brennan Allen versus Anthony Hernandez, too. He stressed the two, by the way. LFA. LFA. LFA. Jocko versus Wydenlman. Chandler versus Dumont and Rio. Stolio-Ranko, Pudelova, Kenetti versus Mendonka in Rio. I feel like Jocko has to be the choice for whenever Wyden comes back, whenever that is. Jocko maybe gets another fight before then, but he just feels like the perfect guy. It's definitely coming to the show. multiple times. Yeah.

What I mean, Widenman, take your time. Jocko, take another fight in the next three or four months. Win or lose? You are fighting. You take your middle weightiness and take it to the former UFC champion.

Now, John Ray did a great job here. John Ray did a great job here. I scored it a draw after 10-8, fifth, but no robbery, great fight. Brennan versus the Phil Haas, Roman DeLeeds a winner. Latifi versus the Delima Arlofski winner. Brown versus the Magny D-Rodd loser.

Janjanan versus the Barza Zhang Wei Li loser and then he goes Dern versus John Deroba but didn't specify the number two didn't specify the rematch John Ray B plus John Ray

How far removed are we from there first It feels like not that long ago It was last year wasn't it? December 2020 So I like the matchup But yeah you got it We're almost two years I actually would kind of like to see that fight again

Sure I like you gotta get that two in there though Yeah gotta get that two in there A couple more Jard Biagin Dern Lamo, win or lose. Randy Brown versus Alex Barrono, both throw around four or five win streaks over underrated competition. Was that never booked?

That's never been booked. That's one of those ones I feel like. I'm surprised hasn't happened. It was never been booked, hey. Hione Barselas versus Umar Naramauga Madoff. Hione beat Saeed. A skill set will test Umar. Yusuf versus Ege, Davis versus Bahamundes.

Santos versus Douglas Silva Day Andrade. Latifi versus Arlovsky de Lima winner. Joachim Silva versus the Guida Holstman winner. I like that idea. another Alan Hernandez to Kennedy versus Frankie Signs

two 40 plus year old bandam weights now Frankie Signs has not retired I thought he did no he has one he didn't interview

recently in February and said that he has one fight left on his deal and he's coaching right now and he's happy

to just coach until that call comes for him to fight so not retired wow 42 years young look at that he has not fought since October 2020.

So that's not a bad idea. Harry Dewaskin, Kennedy versus De Silva, Silva versus Gagos, Latifi versus Hemdi, Abduu'll Hobb, when he gets over, whatever the non-injury was. Santos versus Ehrichie Lang, this would be

a brutal fight between two guys with ridiculous chins. Yusuf versus Damon Jackson, I like that idea. Barcellus versus Cody Stamen. I like that one. Randy Brown, Jake Matthews. Janjanon versus Tisha Torres. I actually don't mind that one. If Jessica Andrade goes to 125,

yeah, I'm cool with the Tisha Torres fight because they haven't fought, which is kind of crazy. But that's one of those fighting back ones, though. Like, I feel like she's well ahead of Tisha in the rankings right now, and it's like, it's a tough opponent. She has to fight back. It's not good for the resume. But I don't know.

It's suck if she lost, right? Yeah. What do you think of Mike Davis versus Drew Dober? I love it. I love it. I'm into it. Marcus, a couple of contenders series picks. Raul Roses Jr. versus Cameron Simon, Nruel Alia versus Batush Rebecca.

Jan-Anon versus Andrage. Anything different here? Daniel Santos versus Davy Grant. There you go. That's it. On to you, my friend. All right. I'll run through some of these.

Yeah, for Jan Shanan, a lot of people want to see her fight Rose. But like you said, she moved up to 125. She doesn't fight that frequently. We don't know how long Yon would have to wait, even if she does stay at 115. Randy Brown and Michael Ciasa was a very popular pick. Mike, that's why I thought you were going to say that one earlier. I'll say Tristan Gordet commenting saying Brown is on a four-fight win streak. He's already fought guys that are in the top 10, Lucay and Balal.

Why not give him another shot, Top of Dean? No issue with that. Yeah, I agree. That's pretty good. Barcellos versus Janez was another popular pick. A lot of Barcellos versus Umar and Armagomerov. As you noted, Mike, he could become the Norma Medov hunter after having already beaten Saeed.

A lot of people loving the Yusif versus Topori. take that on short notice October 29th. I would love that as well. Oh, what else are guys? These are all consensus picks are reading out here. A lot of heat behind it, Elir Latipi, Rodrigo Nassimento matchup. I got that from multiple people, sure.

Brendan Allen, yeah, a lot of people want to see the Hernandez rematch and also Haas de Lisei winner. That's also happening. October 29th. All right. I mentioned, so let me go to his email here. Tristan throwing know, Barcellos, Davy, Mike Davis, Joe Selecki,

Daniel Santos, Arii Ling, and Chelsea Chandler versus Lucia Putalova. It's not bad. Casey Carpenter also likes Dern versus Godinez. So like we said, probably not happening next for Godinez. Looks like she might have a fight, but certainly something I can see happening in the future.

Lupi would love to have a shot at McKenzie Dern. All right, that was our emails. I'll go to Instagram real quick here. Our pal, Michael Conif, Frey of the Ought-No and M-M-A-fighting memes page, Joaquin Silva versus Hafei Alves. I want to see a match between two stupid athletic, creative, and crazy Brazilian lightweights,

so give him, give him Elvis. Brendan Allen versus the Hermanson, Brunson, loser. That's going down December 3rd, UFC Orlando. Mike Daniel Santos versus Casey Kinney. Hmm. I think it might be, eh. I think it's like might be too much, but maybe it isn't.

Maybe it isn't. I mean, just Santos lost to Julio Arce. Who's good? Good fight. Yeah. But Arcee clearly won that fight. Yeah. So maybe one more before something like that,

but we don't even know what's going on with Casey Kennedy right now. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know who we have with Santos. Santos is a super talented striker, but yeah, it's a little wild. And let me just throw this out there too. From what I'm told,

the Derek Brunson-Jackermanson fight is still slated to go down December, 3rd and that Orlando card. But for what I understand, that is not the main event. Not the minute. Yeah, that's right. At least as of right now, it's not the main event. It was originally supposed to be the main event before they took the show on the road.

So apparently they're working on something a little bit bigger, which sign me up for that. And if everything falls through, if anything falls through, I'm sure they could slot it into the main. No problem to top 10 middleweights. But it's not the sexiest. Not the sexiest. Yeah, you're trying to sell tickets to this bad boy, and I ain't got to do it. Yeah. Explain to me the reasoning behind this pick because CJ didn't.

Brendan Allen versus Shemayev. Wow. I don't understand it. I mean, is it like a punishment for Shemayev? Like you don't get a top of Dean. We're going to give you a tough opponent, not the top of Dean because you missed weight.

And then, Hey, listen, we're talking about the brotherly bond between Brennan Allen and Gerald New Yorkshire. Oh, revenge. A little revenge factor for the family. I mean, Brandon Allen would love it. I'm sure Brennan has done interviews where he's called for it.

Oh, maybe that's it. All right. DJ, I was confused. It's probably not going to happen, but I mean, that'd be, that'd be an interesting little punishment. Hey, you're a win away from fighting, you're a win in two divisions away from fighting for a title, but now you have to go fight the 16th best middleweight in the world. Does that make, does that put Shamiyev in the conversation for the, does he become the middleweightiest middleweight? That would be a good way to start his run to the UFC title.

the middleweight in earnest, you know what I mean? It's like winning a mid-cart. It's like win a mid-card title first, you know, in like W.E. Like, oh, you win, you become intercontinental or U.S. champion first. Oh, I love it. See how the fans react. And then it's like, oh, this guy's really a star. Now we push him to the main.

Yeah. Sorry, Paul Costa. He's fighting. He's got bigger stakes to go after the 16th best middleweight in the world. Brandon Allen. Tino Alvarez and Tino, you had a lot of doo-do in your picks, but I won't specify what I said. I said I wouldn't. Daniel Santos, Alatang Hailee, Mike Davis, Ludovic Klein, and Yusuf versus Chacete.

Yeah, I'm kind of just like I said. I kind of still want to see that one. All right. Twitter. What's going on on on the Twitter? Chris at Dragon Slayer 2. Kennedy. How do you feel, you didn't like Tony Gravely and, what was it before?

You didn't like Tony Gravely and Trevin Jones, right? I didn't love it. I just think Gravely so far ahead. I do like Kenetti and Tony Gravely. That's better. I think that's better. I mean, listen, he's got, Kennedy's got back to back. finishes. So I'm cool with that.

Jones has lost a bunch. I think what's he? One and four in the UFC? Oh, who gravely? Jones. Oh, Trevin Jones. Yeah, he's like one and four. Wasn't the one win over? Does he have one actual win? I know one of the debut. Yeah, the Mario Batista knockout, which is crazy. But the one, he fought Timor Vallev.

Yes. And it was like a minus, like DeVallev was like a minus 900 favorite. Weird officiating in the fight first and then later it was overturned to for other reasons. For the gange, which is dumb. Smoking the weeds. He was smoking the weeds. Mike Davis versus Benoit San Dene. This is from Dustin GEDCO.

Huh. No, because it's not Patty Pimbleau. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a test. I was trying to slide that one under the fence there. That's interesting, though. If you do that, like, oh, man. If they go back to Paris, like first quarter next year, I'd watch that one.

That's a good fight, but yeah, I'd rather see Mike Davis fight Patty Pimbley. Dustin also said run it back with Yon and Duren. Eh, I'm good. I don't need a rematch of that. Not right now. Down the road, down the road, if these women want to run that one back. But immediate rematch, I'm all right. I'm okay.

Hard pass. Liam Perry, I like running around Wonderboy, Yusuf Zambi. Mike Davis versus Foresseum. I love the matchup, but I think you might, well, again, it goes against your Pimbleau plans. And either way, Davis may be further ahead than Ziam in the rankings. Those are some pretty good, though. Some pretty a decent run. He was out of the UFC and they brought him back for the Paris.

Back, yeah. What else we got here? I don't need to read all these out. Okay. Oh, someone just texted me, one of my friends. Let me get your thoughts on this. Oh, yeah. Mike Davis versus Terrence McKinney.

Yeah, no, it's a good, yeah, yeah. I like it more than the Patty Pimbley fight. I'll tell you that. Oh, how dare you, but yes. Chris Martin You listen appalled by sort of what happened at the Apex said Mike

What an insult to the fighters, the fans And the MMA gods To put Alan Jocco Alan versus Joccoe The battle for the number 16 middleweight This was the big controversy Saturday night Thank you Chris Martin for bringing it up Yes that Alan Jocco

Did not get a main card spot despite fighting for number 16 The UFC must be taking the task for these high crimes of misdemeanors. I know some say card placement doesn't matter, but the stakes for that fight were higher than any of the UFC will put on the rest of the year. Chris, I hope you're, I hope you're not still upset. I hope you're enjoying a nice Sunday. I'm giving you a half a point for that. We were all upset about it. Thank you, Chris, for bringing it again to our attention. Brendan Allen versus Brad Tavares, win, lose or draw against Rodriguez. He says, I don't care that he's booked against Greg Cop. This is the natural next fight for the newly crowned number 16 middle. A lot

people are going to want that number 16 middleweight spot. We've done it, okay? It took us years to build up this middleweighty middleweight title. And now it's got some prestige placed upon it. I love it. How do you feel like Yusuf versus Bryce Mitchell Moussart of Loyal of Loser? I'm in. I'm down with that.

He does have kind of the record for it. He's like, what, five and one now, I think Yusuf, five and one. At some point you do have to give him a step up. And I'm down with the Yusuf, like if Yusuf, oh, you already fired her up. But if Arnold Allen beats Calvin Cater, I'm down for Yusuf versus Calvin Cater, too. Sure, sure. He was kind of ahead, because Yusuf was kind of ahead of some of these guys until, and then he's had some bad luck, I guess, with, like, missing out and some big fights.

And some of these people have, like, moved ahead of him. So it's interesting. Mitchell and Neville, both of them have kind of leapfrogged him without having to fight him. Francesco, our man in Italy, Randy Brown versus Michelle Pereira. Mike Davis versus Nasut-Hackpress, Chandler v. Dumont. All right. Clearest values says, Mike David. If it's close, you hate it, it's not Patty Pimblit.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, blah, but, it's not, it's not do-do because we've talked about it on the show. But I can, I can say now that the fight between the October 29th matchmaking and matchup between Dracar Close and Mark Madsen is all but done. Now, Mark Madsen had come out and he has a show apparently with some. betting, gambling website and announced that this fight was happening. Had some things to say about Jekar. Jekar's had many things to say about Mark as well, mostly because of fight ready. Jokar was there, had some nuts of the nice thing to say about Eddie Chah. This fight was, Mark said it was done.

And this is probably about a month ago. So yesterday, I'm scrolling social media and I see something. And I reach out to Jukar closest people. And I say, hey, is this fight done now? Like, is this happening October 29th? I'm told technically no, but we have agreed in principle on the terms of the matchup. So I was like, okay. But here is the catch to this whole thing.

The catch of this whole thing was this was Jakar Close's last fight on his deal. So the thought process behind it was Close wants the fight, but October 29th, it's probably not going to happen with the way his contract status is right now. So from what I'm told, some good news. and just remember this note it down write it down for future on to the next ones Jarkar Close signing a new multi-fight deal with the ultimate fighting championship

and this fight is all but signed for October 29th so Jekar Close versus Mark Madsen all we're missing is the ink hitting the paper so there you go yes you're right now that you mentioned I recall this news too

there's some documentary online about Marco Madsen so you guys can find that on YouTube. And I believe he mentions the close fight coming up. And you can learn more about the undefeated, I think, in the UFC so far, Marco Madsen, if I'm not mistaken. He's about 4-0. Yeah, he got that win over, hard-fought win over Vince Cichel.

Very tough. The Olympian. So, okay, there you go, guys. So there's some close info for you. There's some Marco Madsen info for you. So Mike Davis, that fight probably not happening next, but I wouldn't mind in the future. Our pal, Marcus McGehe, Jan Shaunan, versus Amanda Lamoche, win-lose-d-draw against marina rodriguez excuse me yeah i'd like that brendan allen versus

oh the muradav baralio winner they're fighting ufc280 october 20 seconds interesting i like it hayes the third uh what's interesting here daniel santos versus ricky turseos kevin nativid winner november 19th i like that kennedy versus keller i think that makes a lot of sense yeah i like that one i'm into it muster win for Brian Keller, that's for sure. Last two listeners here, the combat guy who starts off his message by saying Fun card. Mike, I don't know you felt

that way. Fun card? Fun first four fights. It was fun. Honestly, it was fun. It was fun before the Zuckman showed up. The Zuckman showed up right when Latifian and Illynex. Yeah. Not a great fight. I mean, just the pillar of timing. Like,

the main event had its moments. The co-main event was not fun. Barcellos destroyed Trevin Jones. Yousaf killed Don Chaynes. Mike Davis and Slava Claus was kind of one-way traffic. The Santos-Casidavide fight was great. The prelims are good. The prelims are good.

Sands Latifio-Linnick. But I wouldn't categorize this as fun. This was, as Jose Young's like to say, this was meh. Sorry, Cam back. Guy, yeah, Mike is not on the same page with you. But, you know, hey, if you enjoyed, as the way we say to people. If you enjoyed the card, good for you. Good.

Don't let anyone tell you what isn't isn't fun. If you thought it was a fun card, you had a good time, that's what's important. The comeback guy thrown out Yusuf Ege, Chelsea Chandler, at Macy Chaston. Yes, at 145, please, they didn't say that, but in my mind, I'm assuming that's at 145. All right, and Barry O'Reilly has some really good thoughts here. So, Barry, I'm circling back to you, buddy. So what were some picks I liked here? Chelsea Chandler versus Bayamalecki.

She's been out of action for a while, but that would make sense. I like Latifie versus Mo Usman. That would be really fun. I think that's maybe a little too experienced. No, yeah, maybe a little too experience for Mo. I mean, you know, it would look weird, whatever, Latifie with, what's his UFC record, like 9 and 8 or something? Yeah, it'd be like 9 and 6. So like 15 UFC fights versus 1, but hey, this is heavyweight.

All right, weird stuff happens. All right, and I wanted to read comments. Oh, I've already read the Mike Davis versus Patty Pimlet, terrible pick. Nope. Horrible. Oh, okay. Randy Brown versus what the? How do you have a little?

No. Tony Ferguson. Huh. Brown is on a good winning streak and is fulfilling his potential. He deserves a big name fight and while he would be the favorite, while Brown would be the favorite, Tony could still win this if he has a full Camber 170 and would take the shine off an up-and-comer on a roll if he could win.

That's not bad. I, let me just say this. That's not bad. Let me just say this. I don't want to see Tony Ferguson fight anybody else, but like the Joe Losons of the, world at this point if he's going to continue fight however however if the ufc is not going to do that which they probably won't i like this idea much better than the lee jing liang idea

like much much much better now not saying that randy brown can't knock out tony ferguson and just brutalize him or or wrestle maybe wrestle you know there could be a lot of wrestling in there right yeah but i feel like the i feel like the i feel like the risk factor of being being brutally finished is much less fighting Randy Brown. And there's no district to Randy Brown. It's a great fighter. But much less than what Lee Jingleon brings to the table. So I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be like crushed at the idea of that fight like I was with the leech fight.

It's not bad. It's not bad. It's much better than the Mike Davis, Patty Pimbley. Barry Riley, I think you won on the next one. That's why I saved them for last. And also, it's Jan Shonan versus Zhang Wei says regardless of, you know, Zhang's next title fight and how it goes. I think the UFC goes in this direction

and makes this fight for the next trip to Asia. Yeah, that would be an insane headliner. I think I could take that to a card in Asia. Jan versus Zhang. So good thinking there. Yeah. And Jan has talked about wanting to fight Zhang Wei for a long, long, long time.

So if that could happen, yeah, in a big show over there, I think you'd be silly of the UFC not to consider it. So, Barry, well done. You may have won onto the next one this week. take your, I don't know, honorary points or just your no prize and our love, which is our love and respect,

is more valuable than any on no point, I feel. So people, if you guys want to play at home, please reach out to me at Alexander K. Lee on Twitter, at Alexander KK Lee on Instagram and at Alex.com. Yes, Barry Raleigh, the 16th best matchmaker in the world. So that's a coveted position. So no show next week.

No show next week. And the United States is actually a long weekend, as a matter of fact. And the UFC is back October 15th, 13 days from right now. And a lot of people were saying, oh, these two cards back to back are awful. I actually think this October 15th card is much better than this card we got last night. Main event, Alexa Grasso versus Viviani Arrugio. There are stakes in that one at 125 pounds. Jonathan Martinez fighting Cub Swanson at 135 pounds

Asker Askeroff versus the raw dog Yes, the raw dog is back in our lives, Brandon Roy Val You know, after Jizzy Mac, nothing sounds bad anymore Misha Sarkinoff versus Alonzo Menefield Neil Magny versus Daniel Rodriguez on this card Pierre Rodriguez Sam Hughes C.J Vergara versus the undefeated prospect Tetsuro Tira

Oh yes. Manna Martinez versus Brandon Davis. Mike Jackson is back against Pete Rodriguez. Victor Henry is back on this card against Hafielo Sonsau. Melzik Bagdasarian versus Joe Anderson Brito. That's going to be a crazy

fight. Nick Maximoff, which means might have a Diaz sighting. Taking on Jacob Malcun, there's going to be zero punches thrown in that entire fight. And Dusko Tadorovich versus Jordan Wright as of right now, it kick things off. So, I mean, if we're talking on

paper, the gymnastics score, it's got to be a point higher than 61, is it not? This card is better. This card is better. I don't know. I'm going to have to crunch the numbers, but this car is definitely better. And by the way, you guys have a long weekend coming out, as do we, because we celebrate real Thanksgiving in Canada on that weekend. So people can say Canadian Thanksgiving, we have real Thanksgiving.

So since we probably won't, I don't think we have plans to do a show, Mike. Maybe we will, I don't know. Maybe we'll do some. I don't want to promise anything. We'll do a show on the weekend off. But if we don't, you guys don't hear from us this upcoming weekend. To all my Canadians, happy Thanksgiving. All right.

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