MMA Fighting - On To the Next One: What's Next For Carlos Ulberg, Jiri Prochazka After UFC 327?

Episode Date: April 12, 2026

Carlos Ulberg captured the UFC light heavyweight title with a remarkable knockout of Jiri Prochazka in the main event of UFC 327. What made it so remarkable was the fact that Ulberg was badly injured, leaving him with just one working leg to compete on, and now that calls into question where the division goes if Ulberg is sidelined for a significant period of time. Where do the UFC 327 headliners go from Saturday night? On an all-new edition of On To the Next One, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Alexander K. Lee discuss what's next for Ulberg after his title win, and injury in the main event, and where Prochazka goes after falling short in his bid to become a two-time champion. Additionally, future matchups are discussed for Paulo Costa following his knockout win over Azamat Murzakanov, Dominick Reyes after his workmanlike decision win against Johnny Walker, along with a reaction to Josh Hokit's crazy fight with Curtis Blaydes, Cub Swanson's incredible swan song, and more. Follow Mike Heck: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@m_heckjr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Alexander K. Lee: ⁠⁠@AlexanderKLee⁠⁠ Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We are back. The matchmaking crowns have returned following UFC 327. A great card. Not a good card. A great card. I had a great time watching the event. The watch party was a lot of fun. We have a brand new UFC light heavyweight champion.

His name is Carlos Olberg. Yuri Prahashka. We thought it was going to be him, especially like two minutes into that first round. Oldberg was hurt. Yuri is chopping up with leg kicks. We're thinking to ourselves, man, just another leg kick or two. And this fight is over. BJP is going to be a two-time champion.

And then Carlos Oldberg said, nah, nah, bam. Big left hand. Pohashka goes out like a sack of potatoes. And Carlos Oldberg with the shocking knockout to cap off just a wild event in Miami. and we're here to discuss the follow-out of that event from a matchmaking perspective, live here on YouTube, live on the Twitch channel as well. I am Mike Heck, and joining me to react to this event to fire away his matchmaking expertise and much more is the co-host, the co-matchmaker, the Prince of Positivity,

and my best friend, the one and only, Alexander Kay Lee. How are you, sir? What is up, Miami, my friend. Miami, mejor, I think, is what I would say. That's what they should call Miami floor. Miami, mehoad. My best friend, Mike Heck, great to see you. I think I said that right.

I've offended so many Spanish-speaking people in the comments right now. Man, I am in a good mood. Like, I'm in a good mood. That was a fun show. It looked good on paper. I think we're all really positive heading into it. Even after they lost the van, Tower Fight, we were like, damn, this car is still pretty good.

And now that newer card we thought, like, kind of needed the choose. So now we're already looking ahead to that. You know, what's funny. My best friend is, you know, I missed the UFC London show, which I heard was very bad. So it's the one I didn't. Very bad. So for me, I have just seen like four straight like bangers.

Vegas 114 at the time. We were like, I guess I know our bar was pretty low for Vegas 114. But we felt pretty good after that, you know, to the point where we were like, oh, this was the best show of 2026 so far for the UFC. And then I think that got cleared by Seattle. Vegas 115 was also excellent. And now 327 delivered. It really lived up to the hype. You know, if I was still doing my old gymnastics scores, I don't know if it would have been a perfect.

Like I don't know. I would have rated in the nine range. It definitely would have hit nine. I don't know if it would have hit like, you know, 100% of the score, but it would have been really, really close. I'm not sure what more could have happened because it looked like we might have been heading for a disappointing main event. And instead, with the way, you know, Oprah got hurt.

Instead, Mike, we got one of the most memorable finishes of the year already. Maybe the knockout of the year by the time it's all sudden done. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I think we're going to have, I think we had, there's a very good chance of knockout of the year because of how it went down and there's a very good chance the fight of the year happened on this card as well so i mean just so much happened at this event we were trying to grade it on the on the post fight show there are people

like saying oh this is an a plus and i'm like no it can't be an a plus because a plus is like ufc 300 a plus is like ufc 290 uh ufc 100 like events where like if you go out and you're like don't feel like going to sleep yet but you want to watch some fights like you're ufc 327 is not one you're going to immediately pull up. You know what I mean? So it's not, you can't be an A plus. Plus, on top of that, it had the, at best for these two guys,

the third worst fight of 2026 on the main card. Dominic Reyes, Johnny Walker was awful. But the one thing that fight did do is it made Josh Hockett versus Curtis Blades even better. Because that Reyes Walker fight sucked the positivity. and the life out of everybody we're like, oh no, please don't let this start

this trend that has been happening during these modern UFC cards. And then Josh Hoka came out and gotten Curtis Blades' face five seconds into that fight and delivered 15 minutes of craziness. Awesome stuff. And then Paul Costa, big knockout.

Carlos Oldberg, big moment. Lots to talk about here. 327 rocked. Solid A minus. Like, no B plus. No B. This was a great. time a minus is an incredible score for an event in this modern wing of the ufc in the in the fight

cards so man 328's got some big shoes to fill i'll tell you that right now and perhaps maybe 328 will have some impact on the matchmaking here we'll see how it all plays out so let's get right into it like how do we do this how are we going to do this episode mike it's super weird it is a super weird episode like i don't want to jump ahead but i think people who obviously kept up with a card you can kind of check off a few boxes here kind of like oh wait like that's not going to need a matchup made and we know that's this guy this other guy literally got matched up the night of so and then of course we have yeah i guess we got to discuss this allberg situation huh yeah i mean let's just get right into it i mean uh carlos is the champion but again as as i keep saying modern

ufc he is the champion today will he still be the champion three months from now i don't know um I just I don't know how the UFC likes to handle this stuff. Light heavyweight has been super weird when they want to book light heavyweight title fights. It's just not, hey, we'll do an interim fight. It's like, no, you're not the champion anymore. We're just going to put two dudes in there and let them fight for the vacant belt. I mean, we just saw this. It's a different circumstance with Pereira because it wasn't an injury.

It was just Pereira saying like, all right, I'm cool. I'm done here. I'm going up to heavyweight. Here's the title. I don't want it anymore. I don't need it anymore. Like when Yuri got hurt, he was out for like another seven months and they were just like all right you're done and then they presented

it as yuri was like he's the noble warrior who just doesn't want to hold up the division and then six months later jama'll hill gets hurt playing a basketball game and the same thing happens with him he's back less than a year later and he's not the champion anymore either so i don't know what they're going to do here okay so let's just get right into this carls holberg's the champion injury, no injury. Trying to put yourself in the UFC brass's shoes is going to be very difficult here. So do your best, my best friend. What is going to happen with Carl Zolberg?

Who is he going to fight? Will he be the champion when he fights this person? What are we thinking? Mike, do you remember we did a little roundtable article before your C-27? Do you remember that? Yeah. The top question was, I regret this now. I'm the one who comes up with these questions.

I regret this. Can the main event winner bring stability to the light heavyweight division? And really, through no fault of his own, I don't think that's going to be possible. Yeah, you mentioned that Jamal Hill thing. Man, this division is just kind of snakebidden. I mean, we had some stability that was brought, of course, by the great Alex Paheda. That was great. It was really only a year, but what a year it was.

You know, he was just defending all these major main events. And it was great. And I think we thought, even when he lost Angola, we were like, okay, there's like a logical lineage here when you either be a rematch like and then we had carls olberg coming up we had your precaution always waiting in the wings calio round trees hanging around and we're like cool like no matter who becomes the champion going forward i think we're going to be okay and then even heading into this we're like yeah it sucks that you know one of these guys doesn't get to beat poiton but we're still going to acknowledge them as the true champion i think poiton has firmly moved on

we just don't think he's ever coming back to heavyweight and that's fine at his age take a few fights a heavyweight. If he ever comes back down, maybe he gets a title shot, but it'll be down the road. We don't care. We can acknowledge the champion as the champion. And that is Carlos Ulberg as of now. Is it a torn ACL? That was a lot of what people were saying. If it is, that's at least nine months on the shelf and then plus recovery time. It's essentially a year. Essentially you won't see Carl's Alberg fight for a year. They will have no choice but to vacate again. Mike, I don't know. I don't know what to do. I was trying to project like, who do you think he'll get the chance to fight a year from now?

I assume he would just get to fight whoever has the belt. But for now, like, they could just put the top of this division on ice. It's not like they don't go eight, nine, ten months without titles being defended. It kind of happens a little too frequently. And I'm not blaming the UFC in the matchmaker. Sometimes there's good reason for it, right? It's just circumstances. Just don't accommodate.

But if that happens here, I glad it would feel like a real loss. So, like, I know I'm breaking the rules of the show. I just don't have a name for him. I just don't have a name for him. I don't, I'm just assuming he's not going to be back for a long time. But we don't know. Might not be an ACL. We don't know.

Mike, might not, right? We don't know. I mean, like, I'm, I'm not a medical expert in any way. From what I was reading, and again, I don't know if this is true or not that if it's like an ACL injury of some kind, like, it's better than what some people think it really is, which is like a ruptured Achilles, which should be really bad. I mean, that's like way worse because that can like, that can not just, you don't just need recovery. Like that can like literally affect your range of motion for the rest of your life. We just saw that Jason Tatum, you know Jason Tatum with Tyrese Halliburton in the NBA finals. Damian Lillard happened to him.

Damian Lillard has not come back. He played in the, he shot, he won the three point contest. Tatum is back. I think he suffered at the earliest of the three. I will say, I think it's just a timeline thing. I do think that's why Tatum came back earlier. And he's doing fine, but you know, very different sport, very different person. And we still haven't seen Tyrese Halliburton.

So yes, over a year, essentially approaching a year for some of these guys. So if it is the Achilles, boy, yeah, that's probably worse. And gosh, what a everyone was asking last night. I'm like, who was the last person to win a title and then vacated the same night? Because, again, he hasn't done that. But it is a reasonable question to ask, my goodness. So we have like we have like a round table thing. Like, it's always like the, we sort of grade the event and like we give our sort of quick thoughts the day after the event where we're all foggy brain from staying up all night.

The biggest winner for me is the name I'm going with. It's Paula Costa. It's going to be Paula Costa. And I don't know if like this is the direct fight because, again, without knowing how long Ulberg's going to be out for, it's something. but if it's something where it's like Ulberg could be back by like end of this year early next year Paul Acosta is not the most active dude on the planet

and what with what he did last night and looking at the current landscape of the division this is a terrific night for Paul Acosta because in my opinion one way or the other he is fighting for some share of the light heavyweight title in his next fight whether it's against Carlos Olberg

or another man who was a terrific night for was Hamzaa Shemayev because if Hamzaat Shemayev goes and beat Sean Strickland, he's coming up and we might see Hamzat versus Paul Ocosta for the vacant belt. Like we might see something like that or at Interpol. I don't know what they're going to do. They if Hamzat wins, they're probably stripping Ollberg or at least presenting it in the fairway of like, oh, Ollberg decided to vacate the belt and fight the winner. We're going to get Paula Costa versus Humzat Shemai to crown a new late heavyweight champion. And then if Pereira loses to gun, I'll tell you who this is a horrible night for.

This was a horrible night for Magamette Anclyev, a horrible night for him. Because not that I think the UFC would be in any rush to give him another title fight, they don't seem to want to be in the Maggman Ankelaive business. They didn't want to give him the first title fight to begin with. And then the bell rang, and they didn't want to give him a, didn't even want to have him defend the belt. And then he got obliterated in seconds by Alex Pereira. And to them, Pereira did them like the biggest favor possible.

Let me just look at the way the UFC has tried to promote him and put him in positions to succeed. They've done a horrific job with this. And he probably is the best 205 are on the planet right now with Alex Pereira out of the division. But boy, was this a terrible night from Magibed? This is awful. He was going to have to fight again anyways. But now he's got Costa leapfrogging him already, who's, only had one fight in the division, Costa has leapfrogged him in this conversation.

If Hamzot wins, he leapfrogs Ancolaev. If Alex Pereira loses, he leapfrogs Ankylaif. And then Carl Solberg, if he gets stripped of the belt, he leapfrogs Ankylaif. Like, there's nowhere for him to fit in this title discussion. Ankylaif is going to be, he is the Tatiana Suarez of Light Heavyweight. He's going to have to fight three more times before he fights for a championship again. This was a terrible night for him. Really, really bad.

So I'm going to just be positive here. I'm going to say Carl Solberg's going to be dinged up, but he's going to come back sooner than people think. And he's got to defend the belt against Paulo Costa. What a world we live in, AK. What a world. And that takes a check off. That takes another name off the board.

What kind of show is this going to be? And then we're going to get Hamzot. Like I said, Hamzaat versus Paulo Costa. A fight that, like, it seems like it was destiny. After Hamzat won the belt. And then there was sort of the middle weight, you know, we had that de facto. middleweight kind of tournament over a few months and, you know, some things happened.

Poor fluffy misses opportunity, then lost trick and all that. We said Costa was a possibility to fight like after he beat Koppeloff or I think heading into the Koppelov fight. We're like, you guys know, like Costa has talked a lot of crap about Shemaya. They have a ton of heat. And the U.S. really likes him. So if he just gets a win, we're like, he's kind of in play at 185.

He just has a lot more juice, so to speak, then, you know, then RDR and Brendan Allen and And a lot of these other contenders were kind of a Nostradine Amavov. Costa's a bigger name than them. So we thought it could happen in a way bigger. Yeah. Now Strickland got the shot. It makes more sense right now. But yes, maybe we get to Miami and Costa 205.

That's so crazy for a vacant title. I don't know how this keeps happening for Costa. He's two and four in his last six fights, Mike. He's two and four. And somehow like in the mix of 185 always and now, like you said, on the short list. if they have to go vacant title fight in the next six months, he's going to be half of that fight. That's so silly.

I love this comment because, Cosmo, I love the fact that you want to, that you believe that the UFC is Bellator and that like the right dude should be fighting for the belt. There is, if the UFC was to make a phone call right now to somebody to fight for the light heavyweight belt,

they're calling Paula Costa first. First, he's the first phone call they're making. right now. It's crazy. I don't like it. Ancolaev, again, is just, Angolaev is with Pereira out of the division. Anka Live is the best 205 are in the world right now. He's the best light heavyweight on the planet. And he's probably never going to fight for the belt again because of the situation that he is now in. And we saw him tweeting up last night. Actually, we know it wasn't him tweeting. Somebody tweeted under his account last night. And it's just like, that to me is like a guy who understands what his life is about to be as a professional fighter.

This is a dude who's going to have to claw his way back even more, even though he's only lost one fight. It's just crazy, man. It's crazy what one night can do to an entire division. And it's, and if Yuri just went out and won, like, if he just leg kicked him two more times and didn't show quote unquote mercy, we wouldn't be in this conversation right now. now. We could, I mean, we could, we would probably be talking about Yuri type fighting Paul Ocosta, but just like a surefire way or the other option would have been, we have to wait

and see what happens in the main event of UFC 328. So like, golly, what a, what a crazy world. Kramer's follows up with, you're forgetting Shemaya fights once a year. No, we're not forgetting that. We're, I think what we're saying this title fight with this vacant title fight could happen in like January or February of next year. Like, yeah, it could, you could have to wait a while for this vacant light-highway title fight. Because again, we're not getting an update on Ulberg. Well, I'm sorry. We could get an update on Elberg very soon, hopefully this week.

I mean, I imagine they'll go in for tests and figure that out. What we won't get an update on right away is what the U.C. will do, I think, in that situation. I think we'll know Olberg's, I think it'll be at least a month. So let's say going into May before they say, okay, yeah, we'll probably have to strip this guy out of the title or he's going to volunteer to vacate, whatever, whatever. And I'm being optimistic. It could be June. We don't know when they'll make a decision on this.

And then we have the Shemaya fight in, sorry, we'll have the Shemaya fight by then, he'll have fought in May. And as you said, yeah, he could just be shelved for a while as they figure out like, okay, he wants to move up. And if he's moving up, you know, there's going to be a whole, oh, I need this X amount of months to bulk up. So yeah, he could still stick to his fun fight of year schedule and not end up fighting for a vacant title until January, February, March. It sucks. It sucks. We are kind of putting, again, kind of slowing down divisions.

This is how it goes. But that's the UFC and the modern day UFC guys. It's like it moves at its own pace, you know. Yeah. I mean, really the point, the point of this is, Paula Costa is going to be one half of whatever title fight is next. Crazy. Holy shit. So, okay, I will say, I, everything you said is correct.

I'm, if I'm working under the possibility that Alberg is out for a long time, yeah, I guess they do have to do a vacant. I don't know, because I still, I want to see him fight Ankelyeim. Let me put that way. I guess it's more of a, more of a crystal magic wand pick. Magiwalabu. I want to see him fight Ankylaif. But my best friend, the way you've laid it out, it is hard to see a scenario now where

that fight would make sense. Unless, like you said, for some reason, Paula Costa is not available for when they want to book the vacant title fight, then they pick two other guys and Paulo has to fight again to get that opportunity. Then maybe, maybe Anka-Life can happen. So I don't feel confident about it. That's just kind of where I landed. I think you're right, though.

Another title fight for Paula Costa on the way. Yeah, but they'll go like if Bogdan goes out there and just annihilates Yon, they'll go with Bogdan before they go. with Ankelaif because they know like him and Paul will just be like really fun. Ankeliov, Paulo has there is a chance that fight is not fun at all. If, because Angola,

because Angola, because Angola, because Angola, probably wins that fight in pretty dominant fashion. And it's probably not like a barn burner. So, it's just a tough spot for that man to be in right now. So,

but great spot for Paula Costa. Good for him, man. This, and the one thing I will not, and I see some people in the comments talking about this, the one thing I will knock Paula Costa on is this whole, well, I want to go back to 185 and win two titles, you're a fool.

Like that's just a silly thing to say. That was, like, I'm trying to think if he's ever had a better performance than he had last night. Like, he's had some good wins. He's fought for a belt. I don't remember, like, him having such an emphatic performance over, like, a good dude like that. Why would he want to go down to 185?

when he looks so damn good. He looked too big for 205. So, yeah, I think he needs to stay there. He had his best performance. Aaron Pico, I think, had his best performance of his career. Josh Hawket, I think, had the best performance of his career. Curtis Blainez had the best performance of his career for being honest. Honestly, yeah, it was pretty great.

I don't know. I just don't know how to feel about it. I mean, on paper, it kind of is the best performance, It's certainly the most important results. It's the one we'll remember the most. By far. By far. Cup Swanson may have had the best performance of his career.

That was incredible. Thanks, Nate Landon. We'll talk about that in a bit. But yeah, light heavyweight is a bit of a mess, but not a terrible mess. Like I said, they have options. They do have options. It's actually like, this result at least made it more interesting than it's been in a while. And I don't know if that's like a good thing or a bad thing.

but at least it gets us talking and speculating and trying to guess where it could go, as opposed to like, man, this division's really bad and I don't know where to go with it. It's probably as interesting as it's been in a really long time with how this all played out. So that is Carlos Oldberg, knocking on wood that he's okay, and they can fight sooner rather than later. What about Yuri for Hachka, AK? I actually am having a harder time with this one than I am with Carlos Oldberg

because I think I see a path for Carlos like if he fights he's fighting Costa or he's going to fight the winner of Costa versus whoever he fights for interim or the bacon belt or whatever Yuri I don't know because he's fought everybody I think Angolaev has a fight on the books like I don't think they've announced it but it appears

like he's got something crooked but I just I don't know who he's fighting Yuri versus Anka Laiv like makes a ton of sense Could be the Bogdan Yon winner Because I don't think he hasn't fought either of those dudes I'll go Ankeliath But like if Anx's supposed to because I think he tweeted out like I'll see you in in Abu Dhabi or something Something like that

So I assume he'd probably fight on that card But Yuri ain't fighting that quick He's not gonna fight in Abu Dhabi Against Maga Banaheke Eliaf is sort of the B side of a fight, he'll wait for a pay-per-view and do all that. So I'll go with the Bogdan Yan winner. Yeah.

I just, I think that's where you have to go. Yeah. I don't think we need to friends forever. Because I don't think either of us is like super enthusiastic about it. And this is almost like a math thing. Like it's just kind of the, I want to see him fight Yon.

And it's going to be a great fight. And if Bogdan takes out Yon, very intriguing. Yeah. Listen, Prasca just he gets back on the saddle. I mean, this was just a weird. this was a weird and unfortunate outcome for him. The only thing that's predictable about Yuri is how unpredictable he is. I had put a small wager on a pro-hashka knockout,

and I was feeling so good about it. When I saw over kind of limping around, like, oh, man, you're just got to go in. And then I forgot, oh, this is Yuri. Yeri doesn't react to things like a normal human being. Like, nine out of ten fighters see that injury and say, all right, I got to go in. And he was like kicking the leg. So I'm like, okay, he's kind of going for the kill. It's not like he's showing him mercy.

but he definitely, like, hesitated. You know, I know everyone's time of this line, definitely hesitated. So that was kind of frustrating to watch. But we still love Yuri, and you put him in with Blockovich, I bet you're going to get a great fight. You put in there with Bogdan, I bet you're going to get a great fight. So, you know, listen, we don't know how much time it is until they just make a decision to do with the title. So if you're Yuri, get back in there the next next six months, fight one of these dudes, pick up another knockout. Hopefully, those are both tough competition, but pick up another knockout and, you know, stay in the conversation.

If I had to, if I had to ask, Mike, was Saturday the last time Yuri fights for the UFC title? I'll say yes. Really? This was, we were talking about this on the post-fight show. First of all, I just wanted, let me just say this. I hated the way Joe Rogan interviewed Yuri yesterday last night. First of all, he shouldn't have been, shouldn't be doing any post-fight interviews with the guy who just got obliterated and had his heartbroken at the same time. two, I hated the way he asked that question.

He like, it was such a leading question to a guy who, if you ever listened to Yuri Prakashka interviews, he will take that and run with it. And now, since then, Yuri has on his own also done the, well, if I didn't show mercy, I would have won the belt or I'd still be the champion right now. And the second part of this is like,

I think I hate this from him. Like, this was, just bad. He should have been like, no, Joe, you know, perhaps, did I leave my, let my, I, I just didn't want to win the belt via leg kicks or whatever. I thought a big moment was going to happen. He's come back out at least and said, like, I lost focus and got caught, no excuses. So I think he's backed off of it a little bit. I did not like this from Angola, or from, excuse me, Prohachia at all. I really didn't. And I didn't like the fact that he got a post-fight interview. It was absolutely brutal. Having said that, because of how this is.

being viewed by fans because he said it himself this is the worst possible result for him like the belt was in like he literally had the title all he had to do is kick him in the legs two more times and he's the champion right now he's the champion of the world if we're not having any of this craziness yes he gave this one away like it's it's the question of like oh did he give it away or did carlos win it it can be both but this is more of yerry giving it away without trying to take credit from Olberg because he delivered a huge moment and you still have to go out there

and deliver that huge moment. So I think he's cooked, man. And that's okay. Like he will forever be known as a guy who won the belt. He won the belt and maybe the best fight of all time against Glover-Teshirea. And he's going to go down

in the history books as at worst, one of the 10 most exciting fighters in the history of the sport. It's a damn good place. to be. He's getting up there in age. He's about to become a dad. I know how important that is to him. His life,

his career, his fighting future may change forever because of all of this. But yeah, man, I know he's super popular. That was his, what, fourth shot at it? At some point, got to give it a rest. Now, if he goes out there

with, like, win six fights in a row and does it in incredible fashion, sure, but yeah, man. I think that was the last time he fights for a belt. I'm on the other side of him, Mike. I think somewhere down, again, and we're talking like, I think he's going to be fighting the UFC for another like three or four years. So I'm talking like,

I'm not saying it happens in the next year. I'm not saying it happens the next 18 months. I feel like somewhere down the road, he'll start together like a couple of knockout wins. And they'll be like, yeah, this guy who was our, whoever is a light heavyweight champion around that time, they need a challenger, year he's old reliable. And then they start selling the,

they're still like, this is his last chance. Can the great, you know, the former champion become a champion again, blah. So that storylines still. there maybe two years from now it'll i think it'll have i think he's still yeah we'll see he's he's been talking about going down to 185 i mean he has mentioned that he's an absolute maniac yeah i don't love that could could he fight for a title in a different division maybe heavy weight yeah middle eight i mean i don't know i don't know what this dude is thinking at this point but yeah i mean look in order for that to happen he's going to have to be like uncle iiff

first like if he goes and like knock john out or knocks bogdan out like that's great but he's gonna have to beat that he's probably have to beat ankle i have to get it and sure would i pick him to beat ankle i f probably not i don't know i don't know we'll see where the division is like hamzot may may win the light heavyweight and then go up to heavyweight who the hell knows it's just such a weird time right now in the sport so uh let us move on to we would be moving Weird. Mike, let me help you. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Did you battery for Paula Costa? I said I think like Anklea, but I don't have a lot of confidence. I think the scenarios of laid out make a lot more sense. Like that they just don't want him in that title picture right now. By the way, Jed Mishu got a, got a full Otno point last time. Oh my gosh.

He messaged me. He got a full Otno point and I'm going to give it to him, okay? I'm giving him the odd no point. Before you go, I just said he messaged me during the live the show and I was like, why are you yelling at me on Slack? You're sitting right next to Mike. Yes, he put this out there. And I forgot like when it happened.

And then I realized as I was pulling the clip of the highlights of the Josh Hoke at Curtis Blades fight, it was like after the first round, Jed said into a live microphone, I don't care what happens the rest of this fight. Win-l loser draw Josh Hocke versus Derek Lewis next. That's the fight. And then literally two hours, like 90 minutes later, they made the fight for the White House. So shout out to Jed getting a full out no point and doing it at the most opportunistic time. He needs it.

I think with the climb, the way the climb is going, boy, he needs it. It is his, he did not think Tatiana Suarez was going to do that to Lupu Kodinas. No. He did not see that one coming. No, so no matchmaking for Josh Oket here. Well, we can talk about Josh. I know you guys in the post-fight show. I haven't had a chance to him.

And I've talked about a little bit about him this week on the preview show. So, okay, listen, I know people are like, oh, woke AK again, you had to hates Josh Hawket. First of all, I can't because he's on my fantasy team. And he might be the greatest fantasy player ever. He might be the greatest fantasy player ever. Double bonus on Saturday. Like what the, and now a third fight? A third fight in six months?

I can't hate the man. So starting off, like the lowest point was like, I think people, I still think people didn't see like what was his most sort of, I thought, like, offside's moment on Wednesday was the, him kind of making these jokes as this sort of like Latin American character he was doing. and making just really dumb stereotypical jokes. Like, I thought that was just offensive. I thought it was racist.

And perhaps worst of all, if you're, like, you know, a sports entertainment fan, it just wasn't funny. Like, it wasn't funny. It was incredibly weak. And it really awkward in the room. I can't imagine what it was like being there. I'm sure Jose's skin was crawling. So that was it.

That's like the thing I took the most offensive. I'm not bothered by like the human centipede stuff. I'm not bothered by like the pro wrestling promos. Jed made a really good point that at least this guy is trying. And at first I was like, like trying to do what? Is that trying? if you're just like recycling sort of these other people's personalities. But I think Jed's wording is exactly right.

And I think the trying, just talking about his post-fight interview, Mike, that wasn't, it really wasn't bad. I don't know how you felt. Like I thought his last post-fight interview, we called up Britney Grinder for no reason, was awful. The 327 one was not bad. Cringeworthy, maybe. But it was like kind of okay.

What do you say? Shammati's nuts? Shammati's nuts was not bad. I actually thought that was okay. So mileage may vary with some of these things. Like I said, I hope he veers away from the overt racism. That's my hope for him. And one thing I never had a problem with was his fighting ability.

I thought he looked great on the contender series, obviously his first two UFC fights. And I thought there was a chance he could beat Blades. I was rooting very hard. Not rooting for blades, but in my mind, I was like, I'm confidently picking blades just because of the level of competition. The gap. This man's beaten Alster Overim.

Like, he can't lose to an eight. an old guy who's never fought like a top 20 heavyweight. How can he do that? He annihilated Alistair over. He annihilated Alistrover. Vicious. He did not annihilate Josh Hawking. Let me tell you that right now.

I thought he's going to. Dude, this guy is talented and, you know, we talk about it all the time. He's athletic. You know, he's athletic. I know he plays like the dummy. I know he plays like, again, the caricature. This guy was on NFL practice squads. He was a division, I think he did wrestle division one.

I'm pretty sure. I don't know if he was a big, he wasn't a champion or anything, but he was a, you know, a, you know, a collegiate wrestler. This guy is athletic. You know, you can look at him and say, oh,

he's not like super muscular. He has moves, man, and you can't fight the kind of fight he fought on Saturday without having that kind of athletic background. He's 20 years old, he's in his prime.

He's got a chin. I don't think neither guy has a great gas tank, but credit to both of them for not just going full Dada, 5,000, Mike, and collapsing. I got a poll going, Mike. I got a poll going. Who was the biggest winner?

It was close between him and Elberg at first, but right now it's Josh Hawket, 49% almost half of the vote. And I do not disagree. I do not disagree at all. I think we were talking about him this week. Love him or hate him. Love him or hate him.

We were talking about Josh Hawket a lot this week. And now he's a big winner. Double bonus extra 200K for a guy in his third UFC. That's insane. Life changing money. Life changing money. Even after taxes, all that stuff. That's incredible amount of money.

Right in front of President Donald Trump gets a fight immediately booked for the White House. I'm trying to remember the last time someone's stock just exponentially increased in one night like this. That was awesome. So, you know, Bravo to Hawket, Bravo to Curtis Blades. And I'm glad they'd get into the hospital immediately after. But there was a great performance. Yeah.

I'm with you on a lot of the stuff. I hated the media day stuff. It was, it was mostly bad. Yeah. It was very, very bad. Yeah. I also did not mind the 327 post-fight interview. I thought it was actually great.

I'm like, don't, I was like, we're sitting there watching. like cheeks clenched a little bit like don't don't screw this up dude like here's this is a great opportunity and there's a part of it part of us that was like i wonder if he's going to like call out trump at all like during the speech and like the epstein lists and all that stuff like that was one of the things that were like hmm like maybe he'll go out and do that and like get a weird pop in that way um i actually did mind this i thought it was pretty good my biggest takeaway from this was and it was part of kind of what I took away from Friday. I don't think I think he got a talking to on Friday. I think Dana White probably went back and spoke to him on

Friday and was like, asshole, don't do that again. Like don't, don't make the Oxygen uncomfortable. You never take a mic from Joe Rogan ever. Don't do that shit again. Like you're on thin ice. Yeah, yeah. Like I think you're on thin ice. Like they get Chris Costello at the media day. I mean, Jose was said, I think you give a little inside baseball. Like even if you, if you're just watching, Chris Costello like twice kind of went up to the stage. I think I think he thought about shutting it down, didn't do it. Because I think Hawkins' teammate came up and he thought like, oh, we might actually get some questions here. And then Hawket went to the really racist stuff. And then you could see Costello stand up. And according to Jose, um,

He was not happy. U.S. CPR man, Chris Costello was not amused by. Well, Hawkins training partner, like, really pissed him off because he was like, are we going to get actual questions this thing? And you saw Costella, like, literally in our feed, like, get the, get the F out of here. Who is this guy? Get down.

Boy. And then he went. So, like, yeah, people were talking about it. It was go away heat. Like, this wasn't, this wasn't good heat. And it worked out for him because the fight was great. And he delivered. And even, I rewatched the fight this board.

By the way, it's like way better. It's not way better, but it's just as good the second time watching it. Because watching it live, I actually thought Curtis won. And it wasn't for, maybe it was the part of me. It was just like, I just need to win a pick somewhere. Because I'm just getting rinsed in this whole fantasy draft thing that we're doing. Jed's just kicking the shit out of me. No matter what, all my picks are losing in the weirdest possible ways.

I thought you could have made a case that Curtis Blades won two rounds. I rewatch it and I'm like eh I understand why hoke it got two out of three and I actually scored it for josh the second time around uh game two and three i thought curtis won round one and uh what impressed me about hoke it was when curtis after that like big flurry in the first round when curtis like really took over uh and got him down

and like had his was on his back i'm like oh shit i was like josh's done like curries just so much bigger than him and then hoke it just stood right up without problems, without issues, just immediately stood right up. And then he did it again later. And I'm like, oh, okay. Hogan's good, man. I will say this, though.

If I'm Josh Hogan, I am tackling Derek Lewis as quickly as possible. I am not going across the cage and messing around with Derek Lewis because if Derek Lewis hits him, he's cooked. He's cooked. He can take a shot,

no doubt about it, because he has had, he's had a pretty easy road to this point. he has fought prior to this fight, eight of like the worst heavyweights on planet Earth leading into this fight. So this is what made it even more impressive, was the fact he was completely untested.

I mean 100% completely untested. And he went out there and delivered, man. He went out there and delivered. And even Dana was like, dang it, I want to, I don't want to like this dude. That's all of us. Yeah, he's like, but I'm not. not going to say anything bad about him.

Like, what can I say? He went out there and he, if you go out there and you deliver in the cage, it's all good, man. That's good. That's what he did. He went out there and delivered. And listen, I will, like, I would love to say, well, that's all he had to do. He didn't need to do all that other extra shot.

But that's not true really, right? We know that's not true in the fight game. All that stuff definitely brought extra attention to people paying attention to this fight on Saturday. And then he, and then he really had to deliver. and he did over-delivered. So I hate all the antics. It's not for me.

We were talking about it. We were talking about it. Maybe in a negative way, but we were talking about it. And again, there's some people out there who find that stuff of using. And like you said, I think the act got a little more refined over the rest of fight week. I actually kind of like the dual personality thing too. Like, oh, there's Josh Hawket and there's the incredible hawk. It's awkward.

And I don't envy the interviewers who have to kind of engage with the timid Josh Hokket character. I can't believe we have Josh Hawket lore right now. This is just so crazy. But yes, we have lore. guys you have to keep track of all these characters the uh the three faces of foley with josh hockett apparently uh well so we'll dig into that more and uh one more thing boy how did he how did he have the oxygen and remember all that stuff after the post bite promo like i again i don't dig the canned promos but if you're gonna do it you got to commit and he did not hesitate out he didn't stutter after man he was he he needed oxygen tank somehow still had the air to do that promo and remember it all night. Did not think we'd be talking about Josh Hawkins as much in 2026, Mike. Did not think he would be one of the, I don't know if we're doing rookie or breakout this year. If we're doing breakout, yeah, right now it's over by a mile.

It's over. It's April and this dude is not front run. I don't know. Someone will have to win like six fights in the next like eight months or something. Hoka can lose his next two fights and still win. Like he's still going to win the award. So he is the greatest fantasy pick ever at MMA fighting history. well I mean that's not necessarily true

Waldo still is kind of it but if he goes out there it beats Derek Lewis and gets another bonus then it's probably him we uh we need Waldo never got two bonuses in one night Mike we need to clip that moment because I was remembering when it happened I felt so bad inside and you were all just like oh no no no we were all that way we were all that way I was like that I was like that of my own pick I was like I'm so I apologize I think

yeah but great night for John Josh Hoke. Okay, let's continue on. Do we have to talk about Dominic Reyes, Johnny Walker? God, what's that? Just make the back quickly. It's, I'm just going back to the one that I stole from Jed a while back after, what I bet was it? U.S.C. Vancouver. RDR is going to 205. RDR versus Dominic Grace is the fight to make. Oh, man, I keep forgetting that. That's so good. I keep forgetting to RDR into my light, heavyweight matchmaking.

Yeah, that makes a ton of sense. I went like uh, Khalil. I think Kululul will be a fun fight. No. Kaleel? Keloa Roundtree. He doesn't deserve or he doesn't deserve an opponent like that after. I mean, that's, that's fine. That was rough, man. That was that was such a bad fight. It was so bad. Like, you can't even be, there's like nothing to defend it with either. And like he's trying to defend it. Um, he's even like doing the gimmick like I got robbed of a post fight interview. I was not that today. Uh, I was like, there's a bad fight, man. Like it was a bad. It was a bad. bad, bad, bad fight.

And at, like, and I truly mean this, at, like, the best thing Dominic Reyes can hope for right now is that is the third worst fight of the year. It's just a matter, like MVP, Sam Patterson is the worst fight of 2026. The question is, was Dominic Gray as Johnny Walker better than the Mario Pinto fight

on that same UFC London card? That's what it comes down to. So, yeah, Dom RDIR. Ewo's booked, so we can't do Evo. He was already back in action. So can't do EO.

All right. What was after this? Our main card winner. Our main card opener winner. Oh, Cub Swanson. Yes, Cub. Nothing to be done here, my best friend. Yes, Cub rides off into the sunset.

Incredible knockout. It was just picture perfect matchmaking. Nate Landre was the perfect dance partner. I was going to go in there and just kind of go in there and get knocked out like kind of kind that's kind of what i thought was going to happen uh i didn't think he'd do it in the first round i thought cub was just going to like pick him apart for a while and then landward just being such a durable cat would last until the third round until cub just killed him uh he just killed him real quick and got the hell out of there so shout out to cup swanson what a career

would be nice for nate to throw a punch i mean he looked scared to death i love me some date land wear and i know i know he knows he was brought in to lose okay he's not he's been the game a long time. He has no illusions of like, oh, they pick me because I have a, like, they think I'm going to spoil Cubs, you know, a retirement fight. No, no. They, they, he, he knew, okay, everyone expects me to lose. And I think it's a fighter. I don't care who you are. I don't care how confident you are. It's probably going to get in your head. So, yeah, not Nate's best performance, but he did do the job. Shoutouts to him and Nico Price and people who are brought in these situations because, yeah, they, they want to see you lose. Everyone, 95%

in the arena wants to see you lose and probably not a fun situation to be in. So, Um, yeah, a great, great situation for Cub. Do you want to do a BKFC matchup for him, Mike? We'll probably see him in there, then the next. I don't think he's going to fight BKFC, man. He won't. He won't. He's good, I think. Yeah. Like, Jed and I were talking about like, Calvin Gasselam. Yeah, he probably fights a BKFC.

Uh, I don't think, I don't think Cubs fighting. Like, could we see him like do R a F? Like, if you're RIF, you should already be on the phone with Cubs, setting up Cubs versus your eye of favor and RIF. Like, should already be setting that up. Sure. the match of everybody wanted like wEC never die wrestling match like you should absolutely be doing this but in terms of like cub being in a situation where he could get punched in the face i think he's done yeah he's

truly truly done we've had just two great retirements with him and kim and keza everything's good so far this is a real interesting year for the uc because we have talked a lot about them um kind of both being you know handling some of their retiring fight as well like keza and swanson but i think also pretty clearly doing a lot of older fighters versus kind of up-and-comers matchmaking, which again, I encourage. I encourage that.

I encourage squash matches. I think they're getting very obvious with how they're matching certain people up. And I know some people don't like that. I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. I think this is kind of how you... And again, I don't know how much of it's Paramount's influence or it's just the matchmakers, you know, changing, having, adjusting their

philosophy for whatever reason. But I think it's really good. I think it's really good. I think this is the only way to kind of move your roster forward to prevent people from squatting and rankings. I'm sorry, that's nothing to do with this fight, but I like I said, I think they've done a good job with that as well of making guys in the top eight, kind of like, hey, you're going to have to fight someone. Like if you want to fight, you've got to fight. And we're not just doing the same eight guys over and over again.

So this is another great example, I think, of how the UFC's done. So slow start to the year, Mike. Slow start to 2026. We're very critical of some of the early cards. But boy, they're on a role right now and looking real hot heading into heading into the White House. I know we have a few cards before then. several cards before then.

But overall, kudos to the fighters, obviously, first of all, just doing, I think just everyone who's been booked for these is really putting forth their best effort. Even Dominic Reyes and Johnny Walker, I'm sorry, guys,

just a bad matchup. Bad matchup happens. It happens. But yeah, them and to the matchmakers, I think, overall, I think it's done a really great job. Yeah, I mean,

it's not that hard. We do it every week, Mike. It's pretty easy. We do a great job. We do a great job. They, figured out sort of the formula for the for the apex is that you just book a whole bunch of squash matches and then like one good fight and the end there you go and then michael busy

really see that was the card of the year even though you so-called journalist at m-a fighting thinks it sucks he called us dickheads mike yeah he called us dickheads i think not you i think it was me and jed right i think it was me and jed yeah i wasn't on that preview show but um you were exempt yeah mike i mean oh and and god i think it's i find it quite humorous um that no one in any of the shows we have done over the past like 72 hours has asked or even commented on the ultimate fighter coaches. Because that's just bad because everyone knows they're going to watch it. How do you increase viewership of the ultimate fighter? Oh, I know.

I know. Let's bring on the two guys that fans don't want to see at all. Yet let's just do more of it. Like what are we doing here? Can I comment on? I'm sorry. Can I come out of us? Please.

I know you're tired. On the Prince of positivity. Yeah. I love the ultimate fighter. So I'm probably going to defend it too much. Always. I'm going to watch it anyway. And that's sort of the point is the only people who are going to watch the

Elder Fighter right now are the people who already watch the Ultimate Fighter. There are dozens of us, Mike, dozens. And I just don't think there's anything they can do right now with the show, just besides changing it completely, like to the point where it's just not the Ultimate Fighter, just changing everything about it to make a different show. And even then, I just don't know what the appetite is right now for sort of satellite UFC programming. There's just already so many fights.

We say this all the time. There was a place for the ultimate fighter when there wasn't a UFC card every week because you would get UFC content every week instead and you'd get at least one fight. It was very appealing. It was very appealing. And you were being promised these are future stars.

So there was a lot of hooks back then. Now we have contender series. Now we literally have 46, 47 UFC events a year. It just doesn't make sense anymore. So the way the show is like I had no problem with how they pick the coaches. There's just honestly no one they could have picked because I don't want them doing like

if they had done like, oh, Shama, I and Strickland and, you know, push that fight back to second half of 2026 to hype the fight on YOLTOid fighter. I don't care about that. The fight has enough hype behind it. Don't waste these people's time by putting them on a reality show. I've said this for years. Get me compete coaches who are comfortable

on camera and I think genuinely care about teaching. And I think guys like Bisping and Corme fit the bill. I'm not saying that the best people on the mic, we criticize their commentary all the time. But they are comfortable in a TV setting. And it's really one that's not live that can be edited that can be you know you take the best bits from both guys take the best

moments that's what these are for so i absolutely agree this does not create any buzz no one outside of the hard course cares about this no one outside of tough fans care about it but that's all that really matters and i think if you're a tough fan like me like i think i can't even speak for everyone i'll just say i'm looking forward to it i want guys who want to be on the show and have that kind of enthusiasm for the show and i think cornea and vespine will be fine so um yeah i'm not one of the people pooh-pooing the coaches decisions i don't want relevant fighters to be on there frankly it's a of their time yeah i don't want them on there no i and i'm with you on this but like bringing coaches people like and want to watch like that is it's turn the channel coaches oh it is i don't

it is no my i don't mind them as coach i think like i said i think they're not bisman has bisman has lost the plot for quite some time like we we know what bisman has become dc i think still has a little cachet because he's got that sort of Michael Strahan isms to him okay he's expendable to the UFC bisming really isn't um they could just be like all right mike you're gone and then bring in two or three different dudes to replace him michael kiesa anthony smith kamar usman etc uh dc i think they have something with him and they think like dc's one of those dudes that could leave the ufc tomorrow and land like six jobs without a problem like you couldn't bring dust and porre on as a coach that would have been perfect and that's

I would have like DC versus Dustin Porreier or DC versus Max Holloway. Yeah, yeah. Like that's just fun. I would have like some fresh older names. You're right. We don't necessarily need to recycle, you know, guys who are just part of like the broadcasting team and guys who have previously coached tough, which again can be good in a way. But also, yeah, we know these guys have been on the show before. We kind of see, we've seen it. So it's not like not even a fresh look at them.

So yeah, it's frustrating. By the way, everyone who's saying get rid of ultimate fighter, thank you for your comments. It was nice knowing you. you will immediately be banned. I'm just saying, you know, you would be banned in about five seconds. But thank you. Your opinion is noted. And I just want to make something also clear.

I like Michael Bisbig. Like, I like him as a person. I've interviewed him a few times. He's great. He's great on the desk. He's not, I just don't think he's a very good color commentator. And then he comes on and like rips my friends on his YouTube channel.

Yeah, we're going to have a problem. Yeah, Michael Bisbigig would beat me in a fight and in a wrestling match and all this stuff. But going to defend. my team until the day I die. So there you go. Let's continue on. I mean, I did what are we? Are we wild carding here? Is that where we're at? We've we've finally arrived at the wild card. Yeah. And we've only booked like three fights that we're 50 minutes into the show. That's right. Pretty insane. By the way, just to throw this out there, I did match for Aaron Pico in case we needed to fill a spot. I changed nothing. The only thing I change is the fact that

the guy that I picked the last time has a fight booked. So it's going to be the winner of William GoMee versus Pat Savatiti for Aaron Pico. Even though he's going to be a ranked fighter, the UFC, please don't F this up. Okay? Aaron Pico, could you do Josh Emmett? Maybe, but even then that scares me because if Josh hits him hard, he might kill Aaron Pico. And I don't want that to happen. So I want him to have like a tough fight, but not, but I want, I just want to see him, I want to see him like gain confidence.

Like win a couple of fights. And then we could start doing like the bigger names. Some people are saying like, do Pico Kevin Vichayos? I'm like, no, no, no, please don't do that. That would be terrible. I thought you liked Aaron Pico. Please don't do that to Aaron Pico. No, no.

I thought he looked good last night. I'm still concerned about that chin, man. he got wobbled multiple times in that first round by Patricia Pitbull, who was not really hitting him that hard. So I do have, I definitely still have durability concerns about Aaron. But I will say, I thought Aaron the last two rounds was, was really good. Like really, really good. He had Pitbull in some trouble. He didn't, you know, you could see it in Pico's eyes.

He wanted to get all Cody Garbrand in there and just start throwing hands as fast as hard as he could. And he didn't do that. He stayed very patience. He was very critical of his performance. But yeah, this is a great win. Like, this is huge. No one on this card needed to win more than Aaron Pico, A.K., and he went out there and did it.

He's at 4% in our poll. But in the fact that he made, I think, my list of four for the poll says a lot. Says a lot about how important that performance is on CBS, live on CBS, preliminary closer. You know, a lot of people watch this fight. A lot of people said, saw as Aaron Pico kid and we're like, hey, I might want to see more of this. I do find it funny. I think all of us were still still kind of like during the fight, man,

if Pitbull had any punching power left, I think he might actually be able to hurt because he landed some good shots. But I realized like, oh, man, like everyone telling me Pitbull was washed, like I haven't believed it. And I still think he has the skills. But I get why they say it. Like there's just, man, there is not that ability anymore that extra thrust just to really like hurt somebody.

I'm looking now. He has one knockout in the last almost five years. And that makes sense. Like that's not like a surprising stat. It's like anyone who's watched Pitbull over the last five years. You're like, yeah, still a skilled fighter, still a very like good fight IQ guy. But yeah, you know, you're kind of losing this step here. So yeah, great for Pico. Mike, I knew you'd pick Pico.

Did you pick? No, that's my wild. Okay, okay. I thought you just started a wild card. Okay, what's your wild card? Kevin Holland. Oh. Versus Colby Covington.

I love it. First I'll say, so Kevin Holland, he is unbanned from that. We have banned and unbanned him multiple. times because of his insane activity and like making it impossible for us to pick a fight for him. But this was like the first time. He had what, five, six months between fights or something? Like he actually had a normal off season, quote unquote. Who did he fight? Was Malato most recent fight? Yes, because he got kicked in the groin. It was and he's been talking about it ever since.

Yes. So yes, he has not fought since then. And I think it was good. He said he, I think he himself said he need to give his balls a rest, which, yeah, I would agree. You know, rest those balls up, Kevin Holland. And so you feel it's safe. to maybe pick for him and he's not going to just end up taking a fight uh next week or at new work or something i mean he could but i don't can we get them in the white house making a night what is it seven fights now making a nice eight fight card him no i guess that's well i mean if they're not i mean gable isn't fighting on the white house nobody else is i mean come on now what's gable about july gables gables international five weeks july wow no pressure no pressure yeah so i'll go haul and colby i was

I was going to go Holland, Izzy. But I kind of like Holland at 170 at this point. Like, just keep him there. So I think this is a good one, man. I guess makes sense. Like, no one's overly trying to call for the other. I just think it's like good, sensible matchmaking. Yeah, I agree.

I agree. And if you're Colby, we say this a lot of time we're making fights for Colby, but I do think he wants fights that he thinks he can win. I don't think he's at a point in his life where he's just going to get a paycheck. He has a chance to beat Holland. I think he'll probably be an underdog against most people at this point of here, just because he fights so infrequently. He's a little bit older.

But yeah, a focused and fully like full camp at Covington. If he was like, you know, plus money, I would take a shot of him to beat Holland. I don't think it's a horrible matchup for him at all. Yeah. What was your wild card? I got to go with Vicente Lucke, just because, wow, what a weird thing for him to just say, I'm going up to 185 still like I'm not done yet. Seems like he's committed to it.

said after like yeah you know it's just been hard it been hard coming down to 170 he's done it countless times in his year see career so now he's a middleweight and i thought gasum still had too much for him totally wrong great performance by luke gets a submission let's just keep this age appropriate let's keep him going up against veteran middle of weights we do not need to use him as a stepping stone or like oh let's push him towards a telos shot that's not what we sente luke is for i'm going with him and brad devars let's just see how things go with him in brad devars can he finish brad devars maybe very hard got to finish goes to a decision 90% of the time But maybe it's a fun matchup.

So I just want to show some love to Lucke and a pretty fitting wild card pick, I think, just because it's a weird footnote that I think people are going to forget happen on this card. A guy who's fought in the UFC so many times, moves up division, dominant first round win over a former title challenger. And by the end of the night, honestly, almost forgot it happened. So shout out. Yeah. All right.

We're opening it up to you guys for the next 10 or so minutes. So get after it. Get your matchmaking suggestions in there. And let's get after it before we have to get on out of here. So great night of UFC 327. Spectacular. I enjoyed it very much. Let's go Solar Serpent.

Ulberg on the shelf, Yuri versus Anck, number one contender. Costa versus Hill, Roundtree Jr. Azamah versus the Jan Bogdan loser. Hokka v. Lewis. We're not giving you that one. Crystal ball pick, Mike. I'm going Hawken, Lewis. I'm going Hawken, Lewis.

And when? on the white house how about the white house they're just gonna add a random fight uh blades versus cuniaf again do do do that is straight up doo doo who wants to watch that fight again solar serpent we love you but you listen you can't be criticizing other people's fix in the comments reyes versus ozdemier another two it's another two walker ratchet rackage landware versus emet solar so josh so date landware gets perfect game and we're gonna give him a ranked opponent What is happening there? Solar you can't be calling out of the people's picks in the comments.

Yeah, that was that was a bad look. That was a tough list. I'm going to remember this for the future, buddy. I'm going to remember this for the future. But keep sending in, please. Yeah, please. Get some practice. You know, we need reps.

Everyone needs reps, Mike. Everyone needs reps. Yeah. C-Bam. Costa Roundtree, Pico versus the loser of Zolall Sterling. I don't mind that one. But again, I'm a little concerned that it's like too soon. I mean, we've got to get this dude wins.

just let him go on something if you're investing full time in Aaron Pico you have to get him wins again I still don't believe in the defense I think some of those shots that pit bull landed if there was a younger faster featherweight it might put Pico down yeah Kevin Vigejos fought him last night he would have he would have ended Pico's career

last year he would have Gamrod versus Ruffy he will beat Chandler yeah I mean just going on the limb Lukay versus the winner of Dardy and Marvin Vittori boy luke versus Marvin Vittori oh I hadn't even thought of that that could get Super weird.

I don't know what they do with Luke 8, 185. Who's the middleweighty, middleweight champ right now? Like, who do we give it to? Oh, my gosh. I feel like there's an, oh, boy, let me, uh, let me look at my actual rankings here. Maybe it's vacant right now. Yeah, because my inventory should be fighting whoever that is. Uh, but boy, we, we had, because I know we've had a lot of challengers for that belt over the last few months.

I have to think about that. Yeah. Tristan just knows ball. Like, he's, he's, he's not. going with carlos alberg or paula costa he's going to the depths of the ufc 327 card uh charles rackie versus siokyon rievitch versus mike davis reevich bich davis is very fun ratkey co is perfect matchmaking i have them i think right next to each other in my ranking so well done uh and just ratkey just man just tighten up this whatever this personality is a little bit like i just don't understand the need

to throw out slurs and uh why he's on the scale it's on the middle finger all the time like that doesn't offend me it's like bro put some of that angerous like people like you i think for the most part i don't know if he has this be against the world attitude i know a lot of fighters do so i don't know what his story is maybe you just like you know people just giving them shit all his life like whatever you know i understand but damn you don't need to be using and i know he it's weird because i don't think he meant it in a hateful way but like that's the kind of casual like he did it to get heat though he did to get heat but it's just confusing because he's like a smile on his face he's kind of like thanking the crowd but also calling them a bunch of f words like the really really bad f word if you guys

I got back to the put the post fight scrum and like sounded way better like just thoughtful answers and like someone during the end of the people's free fight show was like was like what what's the first thing that'll happen a referee takes a point or charles racky wins and says something heinous on the microphone and I'm like you know what Charles rackie has like learned lessons from the Mike the lot fight I think a lot like humbled him because his last win he I mean he'll say like curse words but he's not going to say anything like embarrassing. And I was like, no, fracki, I could do that.

I was like, it's going to be the ref taking a point. And luckily, I was still correct because a referee did take a point in that fight. And then racky just said, I was just like, oh, no. Yeah, that's just brutal. There's no need for it. There's just no need for. I don't know, I don't know why he would say something. Joseph Costa Ulberg, Dominic Reyes, Magamenekeman and Goliath, Tatiana Swares versus Jan

Janjohnan. Tatiana Swars versus where is, I don't mind. Is she not being put on the Macau card? Where is? I haven't seen her yet. I wonder, I mean, that's in, when is that June? Or is that May? May 30th.

Oh, okay. So that's not going to, okay. Tatiana's not going to turn around that quickly. Okay. No. There's a terrific night for Gillian Robertson last night, though. Like, Jillian Robertson needs to buy Tatia Soura's as some sort of present. A flag day gift, some sort of, some sort of, some sort of, um, some sort of,

presence because she probably gave her a title shot last night. You don't think there's going to make her fight, Tatiana? No, no, no, no. Because how long can Jillian, like, we still assume it's going to be like Zhang and Durn is going to happen, right? Or something going on with Zhang because I don't know, man. Zhang just disappeared. Like, we love Zhang.

She just disappears in between fights, just completely disappears off the face of the earth. We hear no rumors. We hear nothing from her. I think she does maybe social media posts us, but nothing about upcoming fights. So her endurance should be booked by now for July or August or September, but nothing nothing yeah i kind of think like i kind of think they're just going to go with jillian now and then john will get the winner i think that's kind of what i think because john's probably happy with that because john's just like i fight whatever i fight whatever yeah whatever yeah i'm gonna beat

either she's gonna smoke whoever she fights that's her thinking right i'm in no rush i can come back whenever one and snatch this belt back but you gotta have some urgency in your career john yeah but obviously if you're mackenzie durn in their team like you should be especially after the swar as went last night you should have been like literally on the the phone with the matchmakers being like give me jillian now because that's like that's a winnable fight from mackenzie like that she probably wins that fight but jillian got jillian's probably getting a title shot in her next fight because of what tautiana swore's because they're they're not they're not giving it to tautiazza swaras they're just they're just not going to so good win for tautiana

though she went out there and got to finish pigo needed to win more than anybody and if there's one fighter on the card who needed to finish somebody it was tautianna swaras because She had a tough 2025 about as bad as it can get. Lupy, why did you go to the ground? Why didn't you just let her stand up? I know. She had her. She's so talented.

She is one of, I think, of the more recent years. She is one of the, like, talent and results are just not equal. I feel like there's fights she could have won. I feel like there's a fight she just shouldn't have taken because there's a stretch there where she's like, oh, I'll take a fight at 125, 115, whatever is available. Which is good for her. Like you have to get in there to get better. But I just feel like she could have been a little more patient with her career.

And sometimes when she's in the cage, just think a little more because I wonder if she could have finished Tatiana in that first round. She could have. I really wonder if she just stepped back and says it comes down with me and one more exchange. Yeah, she heard her bad. Tatiano is in a, on another planet. My pick for Tatia, she's fighting Verna Gensuroba. And there'll be seven strikes landed in that fight. And it's going to be great.

Tatyatta versus Fatima Klein, because why not? It would fit, like I said, it would fit this year's trend of them just kind of not holding back when it comes to like, well, here's an older veteran fighter we have, like a long-time contender, and here's a young fighter invested in. We just saw that with Hawking and Blades. And I know it's different divisions, different, you know, different depth, but it's possible.

It wouldn't surprise me if they did something. Yeah. Randy Brown versus Andreas Gustafson, sure? Yeah, I like it. Chris Padilla versus Tofeech Messiah for UFC Baku. Chris Macya's got to get back in there. You got to make that way, Chris. I know it was on short news.

You got to make that way. Good performance though, man. Good performance. Chris Bidia. Always fun to watch now four, four and oh, five and oh. No. Oh, no. I'm sorry.

No. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I apologize. Oh, and one. Edit this out. Edit this out. I'm sorry.

It was a majority draw. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Did you watch the scrums last night? Did you watch the scrums last night? I did not watch those scrums. Did you watch the Dana White one? Not all of it, no.

Did anybody ask Dana White what happened with that? I don't think so. Why? Yeah, we probably missed the opportunity there. That's honestly the only thing I wanted to hear Dana talk about. I didn't care about Hokit Lewis. Because he already explained how that all went to happen. Yeah.

Like I wanted to know what happened there. And nobody asked about it. That's such a bummer. So the confusing thing is, obviously, if you go to like the UFC news account, they tweet out to score cards as it happened. And the scorecard, that's what immediately raised everyone's before they, long before they mentioned the broadcast. Everyone saw the cards that were posted. We were like, that's a majority draw.

The graphic they put up had 2.28s. And they're like, okay, that's a majority draw. And then it had in the corner, like everyone was like, hey, double checking. In the corner, it does say so and so won by majority decision, Chris Padilla. Now, the question is, was that also written, because obviously what they put up on the, you know, the graphic is like a typed up thing. Was that also what was written on the card itself and then, you know, did Bruce Buffford? or just read that verbatim. I don't know.

Like, he's getting the blame. And I know this is his second, like, Gaff in two weeks. But I do wonder, did it say that at the bottom, the majority decision? And did the cards? We don't actually know what the written card said. The graphic they put up is not the actual. It's not like a picture, photograph of the written card. It's like a retyped cart of this course.

So I'm very curious. I know. I'm not saying Bruce Robert can't be blamed. Like we said, we just saw him make a mistake for sure. It's live TV. Could have made a mistake. But I'm very curious where the communication really broke down. That we don't know.

Yeah, that's why I want to know. because if it wasn't Bruce's fault I want Bruce to be cleared of all of this. You don't I mean? Yeah. Bruce didn't make a mistake. Yeah, we don't know.

Yeah, we don't know. Gamrod versus Armand 2, or is that a stretch? I mean, I would not complain about watching that fight again. I think Armand kills him if they fight again. They would make him prove it. I don't know when they're going to, when or if ever, they give Armand's title shot. They have no.

I think they're starting to see. riding on the wall a little bit. I hope. He's the boat. He's like one of the five most popular fighters on the roster right now. They're probably going to give him a title shot. He may have to fight again, but he's not fighting Gamrod. That I can assure you.

When Ilya goes up, when Ilya goes up, they'll do the bacon. Yeah, he's going to fight Charles Olivera at the end of the year for the vacant bell when Iliucox out Justin Gage and goes up to fight his al-Mock, Jeff. Mike, when are the UFC next in Australia, New Zealand? In like three weeks. They're going to Perth for the JDM. Carlos Oldberg card. Yep.

Or not Carouselper, but cards, purchase. Yeah. So yes, I don't think we'll be seeing Carlos Holberg fight at UFC Perth. Any other,

go on guys, matchup picks. This is your moment. Then again, I don't blame people. Like I said, there wasn't a lot to do on the main card.

So. One thing we don't talk about is the lack of commercials and cutting away from walking to the cage. Paramount is improving with the overall production. Is this a joke?

I don't know. Well, I mean, no, I mean, here's, you guys, I don't know, are you guys getting the walkouts

in the US because we have it on sports net in Canada. I don't get a lot of all the walkouts. Okay. So I didn't excuse my just overall like over exhaustion. I should mention it. I'm sorry. We have pay-per-view up here. Sorry.

So on the pay-per-view portion, we definitely get all the walkouts. Do you guys get the main card walkouts on Paramount Plus? Some of them. Okay. I don't think we got all of them. Okay. I will. The production was not a problem last night.

And that was fine. Like, I was a little concerned because, I was watching some of the master's coverage on Paramount Plus yesterday, and I was getting like, the stream was not good. It was cutting in and out as bad. I'm like, oh,

well, my guess that I know what I'm in for tonight. It was great. What I had an issue with last night, and what I'm continuing to have an issue with is, the pacing of this card was a disaster. Like, it was an absolute disaster last night.

we we get to we get past aaron pico in patricio pit bull it was like 30 minutes before cubson walked to the octagon like every single fight took forever to get to it's just so brutal like there's no need that main card lasted like three hours for five fights yeah that slowed down a lot The preliminaries, people said I jinx, you know, I mentioned in Slack. I think someone said, don't jinx this in our Slack channel. I was like, man, this pacing is like killing it. Because the preliminaries went by real fast. I thought the preliminaries, the pacing was beautiful.

Almost no real breaks. Like just enough for a break to kind of catch your breath. And I mean for us to do kind of whatever work we had to be doing. But you're right. I didn't even think about it on the main card. I think because I was doing other things, maybe I didn't notice the gap between. But for sure, between the final prelim and the first main card fight, yeah, there was a big, big, big weight. And then it was it also bad between all the other fights?

I guess I just wasn't paying attention. I know between the Colmain and Maine, there was also kind of a big gap as well. So yeah, it was bad. Oh, by the way, breaking news. Oh. Breaking news. Chris Padilla's manager just hit me up and said last night after the fight, we submitted a formal protest.

Florida has already responded and asked for a week to review. So I don't know. not like this is an interesting one like normally i wouldn't side with like a protest like coming through in a positive way but this is such a weird one that maybe it does i don't know but they are uh pedia's team is going to protest this uh they have put in a formal protest now are they are they protesting the scoring because i think as far as we know that that the official scoring was 228 2828 they can like they can't just offici i assume they're not just officiating the way it was handled, right? They're not saying, well, you announced us as the winner, so we should be the

winner. They must be taking umbrage with the scoring. Um, and that's going to be tough. Uh, I want to look at the cards again. I know everyone was pretty unanimous that, uh, if you go to M-made decisions.com, I think it's all, all sweet for video, but I've got to find the score card now. Uh, I asked if, uh, they are, yes, they are going to protest the scoring of Okay, interesting. So the way this goes is, of course, okay, one fighter had a, one judge, Salamar Miranda, 29, 27. I don't think they'll be protesting that card. Elisa Rodriguez, 28, 28, 28, giving Maderos two and three.

Derek Clear also had it 28, giving Maderoz one and two. Oh, boy. Yeah, this is going to be tough. I have to wonder which rounds. exact because it's like I think so two rounds are in dispute I don't know if they thought he won 20 3027 or 3026 it would be I think they all seem to agree Madaris won the second round okay so it's a they're gonna dispute the first and the third round I guess but this is gonna be

really tricky I just don't know if this is gonna if this is gonna work out in their favor yeah so that's that was interesting to get a little news here on the program how about that okay breaking guys you gotta watch the show live yeah This is fun. We're going to edit that out of the podcast. Podcast guys aren't going to get that. This is just for you guys. This is just for you guys.

Hopefully you have your emotes and your members because if you're not members, we're deleting it from the public feed of this show as well. Only the members get this one. Last thing, and then we'll get out of here, AK Mike, with Cub having a good sendoff on a win. Who else comes to mind for this? How many can you think of? Kiesel Loller, Cub, et cetera.

Who else comes to mind for you over the years? For like good retirements? Chris Lytle. Amanda Nunes was a really good one. Amanda Nunes? Yeah, well, she's back now. She's back, yeah. Chris Lytle was a good one.

Hello, man, I'm so long so long now. I mean, GSP, I mean, he didn't really retire, but he became a two-division champion in this final fight. That's pretty damn good. He didn't retire in the moment. Bisbing's retirement was kind of sad because he, like, got finished by GSP, and then took a short notice fight with Kelvin Gasselm and got nuked and then retired. and then retired. But it was just like, it was just one of those things where like a weight was lifted off my shoulders

because I just was like, okay, like he should not fight anymore. And he just like, was like, yeah, essentially I got one last big payday and now I'm done and good autumn. Like,

obviously it's been a good decision. He's on all the broadcast now. So, but yeah, I'm trying to think. But I like the way they're doing this. I think they learned from the, Maricio Shogun Huah retirement fight.

Like, don't do that again. And at least they're trying. Although the Anthony Smith one was, was tough. Apparently it's being reported. Curtis Blades suffered a fractured orbital bone and a fractured nose last night. Not a surprise. His face was messed up two minutes

into that fight. Just just a disaster. Hawken put hands on him. Man, hawkut. Put a hand. What a fight. They landed like 330 significant strikes combined. Like that's that's pretty wild. I don't know. Every time I thought one of them was going to collapse,

I just found a second, third, fourth wind. Something was in that Miami air. Just, boy, just pushing it forward. That was wild stuff.

Yes. Okay. So that's it. Next week, I will not be on the show next week, okay, because I will be traveling home from RAF. So I will leave it to you guys.

But it is UFC Winnipeg. And boy, UFC 327. This is not. Okay. Oh, sorry, Mike. Sorry, you are traveling. Yes, I will be going Sunday. You won't be on the show.

I will not be on the program next week. So that's what I thought. I was on an airplane. I thought we had a really awkward moment because I was looking at the count. I was like, I was like, oh, because I do have a guy, I have double now. I do have a guest lined up. I do have a guest lined up. But I was like, wait, I was trying to remember, did I mention this with Mike?

Or is this about to be a super awkward moment where I'm like, Mike will not. No, Mike, you won't be on this. show next week. Yes, I will absolutely not be able to show next week. Okay, good. We have, I don't want to say, I won't spoil it. But yes, obviously, it's going to be a Canadian themed week, guys. So I will have Canadian guests. I have a Canadian for the preview show as well. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about that later. Mike, I should have run that by you as well. But I'll let you guys know. So I won't be there for that either. So there you go. Yeah. And I think I can free I think I can free up Jed for a day as well. I'm sure Jed will be very hurt. But I will

talk it over with him. But yes, we should have a Canadian guest for the preview show and a Canadian and guest for on to the next one so uh both folks will of course be on be there on and at the show on site so we can get some some on site uh opinions yeah very cool uh here is the lineup uh gilbert burns versus mike belot is the main event gilbert trying to avoid what a five fight losing streak let me just uh let me just double check yeah yeah tough scenes for uh gilbert drinio burns uh he's i don't know if this is going to go very well for him uh co-made event is Kyler Phillips versus Charles Jordan Mandel Nalo

versus Jai Herbert I actually kind of look forward to that fight because I think Mandel Mondele Nalo is nasty Jasmine Jazz DeVizius versus Creene Silva Tiago Moises versus Gage Young, Dennis Bajuka versus Marcio

Barbosa Robert Valentin versus Julian LeBlanc they must really like Julian LeBlanc look what they're doing here Tanner Bozer is back in the UFC fighting Gokon Seracom, Melissa Scarecrowden versus Darya Jelanikova, J.J. Aldrich, who is just quietly amassing a nice little run in the UFC right now. I remember research correctly.

She's ranked. She's ranked. She's ranked. She's won three of her past four fights. She's fighting Jamie Lynn Horth. Mitch Raposo. Mitch Raposo. Hang in there. Stand up.

Boy, hanging in there, man. Taking on Alon Nassi. Cemento. We have John Cassinator versus Mark Vologden. Whoa, that's a tough. That's a tough debut fight for Vologna. Amazing fight on contender series. But boy, that is, uh, welcome. Welcome to the league, I guess. And the UFC matchmaker saying, we can't let Mike and AK get all the Otno points. We can't book John Yannis versus Tommy McMellan because we have to book against Jamie Shiraz first. But don't you worry after Jamie Shiraz goes out there and obliterates John

Janus then. Then and only then can we do John Yannis versus Tommy McMellan next. that is UFC Winnipeg and yeah looking forward to listening to the all-Canadian on to the next one next Sunday and then we'll prepare for another trip to the world's most famous apex in Las Vegas Nevada with Al Jemaine Sterling versus Yusuf Zollal in that main event and then we're off to Perth Western Australia for Jd M versus Carlos Pratchez and then we're off to Newark, Newark, New Jersey for UFC 328 and boy are we going to be in for lots of craziness throughout the month of May with 328 and Jake Paul versus not Jake Paul Rhonda Rousey versus Gina Carrano back cards coming up and all sorts of craziness all the

way up to UFC White House which we never really even put into perspective until we saw the graphics last night a Sunday card a Sunday UFC event for UFC White House how about that did you notice that on all the graphics last night June 14th is a Sunday Okay. I'm okay with that. I love this. I love this. So are we going to do it on to the next one? Oh, I guess we'll try and do, I guess depending. A little Monday out now?

I guess we'll do a Monday ought, no. I think it's a night card. Or that evening. No, I guess you guys have to do a post-fight show. Yeah, it's really normal time, right? Five o'clock, eight o'clock or eight o'clock. I guess it's all main cards. So seven o'clock the earliest probably is when they'll start. I wonder.

If it's all main card, maybe it's, no, seven is probably the early. Seven fights. Yeah. So maybe eight. Maybe they'll start at eight. Who knows? We'll figure out. Well, I'll talk about this.

Yeah. Because they're on the, they're on the White House lawn so they can literally do whatever they want. They didn't even have to like get a commission to commission the fights because they're on the White House law. I still, I still can't believe that this is going to go down exactly as they think it's going to around. But hey, who knows? Yeah.

I was, it was just one of those things where I saw this. I'm like, oh, how did we like literally no one has said that this is a Sunday. We just, I automatically assumed June 14th was Saturday. But Saturday they're going to have a little,

they're going to have a little event at the big park and Zach Brown band will be the headliner. Okay. Doing the press conference, I believe on the Friday at Lincoln Memorial, like all sorts of fun stuff. I would like to go to this car, at least for the fight week.

I don't need to go to the actual fights themselves. And I don't think any of the media is going to be allowed on the White House lawn watching the fights anyhow. At least that's how I think. But I'd love to just be there for the sights and sounds. That would be pretty interesting. So we are going to be some worlds colliding out there. It's very interesting to see certain segments of the media having to interact.

Well, we may not because the certain segments of the media that the UFC wants to cover their events will probably be at the White House. And all the people that have kept the sport alive during their downtimes that they don't want covering the events will probably be at a hotel like 20 miles down the road, nowhere near the White House. But we'll see how that all plays out as we get closer to that event. But yeah, UFC 327, great time. When it's good, it's good. When it's bad is bad. We'll tell you either way. But this is a really fun card.

I had a blast. I can go back and watch the watch party and some of the reactions. The timestamps are there. So you can live vicariously through our reactions if you missed all the festivities. And it was a great time. So thank you all very much. We're on to Winnipeg for AK. I am Mike Heck.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend. It's Master Sunday, which means two things. We're going to get some great golf. and you're probably going to get the best damn nap of your life. We'll see you guys throughout the week. We love you all very much. Bye-bye. Listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.