MMA Fighting - On To the Next One | What's Next For Tatsuro Taira After UFC Vegas 108?

Episode Date: August 3, 2025

Tatsuro Taira is back on the winning track, but where does he currently stand in the contender line? The 25-year-old super prospect took out Hyun Sung Park in dominant fashion in the #UFC Vegas 108 main event, needing a little more than a minute to submit the short-notice opponent. Afterwards, Taira discussed possible matchups with #UFC flyweight champion Alexandre Pantoja and two-time champion Brandon Moreno. No matter what, the future is clearly bright for Taira. On an all-new edition of On To the Next One, MMA Fighting’s Mike Heck and Alexander K. Lee discuss what’s the right career move for Taira after bouncing back from his first loss. Additionally, future matchups are discussed for Chris Duncan and Esteban Ribovics after both fighters scored thrilling wins and Fight of the Night honors, along with fellow main card winners Karol Rosa, Neil Magny, Kevin Vallejos, and more. All that and another fine selection of listener picks. Follow Mike Heck: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@m_heckjr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Alexander K. Lee: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@AlexanderKLee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Hello there, everybody, and welcome to a brand new edition of On to the next one. The Matchmaking Crowns have returned following the UFC's return to the world's most famous Apex, how we missed the apex. And we felt it immediately when Pierre Rodriguez was fighting Ketland's soza. We're just like, you know what, this energy, this, all of this. all of this is what we've been missing for the last six or so weeks. We hadn't been in the World's famous Apex since May 31st. That was the infamous Aaron Blanchfield versus Macy Barber fight that did not happen.

And we went through all of June without an Apex event. We went through all of July without an Apex event. But the summer of Apex is back, baby. And this was a card that nobody cared about. Just so little interest heading into it. no one even wanted to know who won the fights. That's just kind of how this card was. But for those who did watch it and tuned in,

you were treated to a pretty damn good main card. And that's what we're here to talk about from a matchmaking perspective. I am Mike Heck and joining me to discuss the fallout of UFC Vegas 101 before this card gets put to bed, probably forever, the co-host, the co-matchmaker, and the Prince of Positivity. And my best friend, Alexander Cayley, AK, how are we doing following UFC? see Vegas. Did you get any sleep after experiencing the, the ruckus crowd inside the biggest warehouse of the world?

I got sleep during some of the fights, my best friend, if I'm being honest. And I, there may have been a point during, like, Adolfo Vietta and Tresan Gore where, I'm at a tuned out. Like, you know, with respect to both guys,

those guys are in there doing their thing. Attention may have wavered. My eyelids may have fluttered. First of all, I wish this was a video show, because, you know, Celtic back in action today, the only Celtic that matters in the sporting world. Come on, you boys and green, I got my hoops on.

You guys are going to take my word for it. But yeah, this was unfortunate. Not how the action turned down. Like you said, Mike, I think we all said the main card looked pretty strong. I don't think anyone was saying like, oh, but we also said the prelims could be kind of forgettable. And, you know, mixed results there. It wasn't like the worst set of prelims I've ever seen. Certainly not the most memorable either, maybe just very middle of the road.

The UFC, I feel like, did their best they could do with a card like this where they know, I think they're aware, of course, have the general public reaction to the apex at this point. Forget the stuff that corporate says. Forget the stuff that like, you know, the commentary team has to put over. They, they, I think everyone felt the letdown of, you know, eight weeks on the road and then like, oh, back at the warehouse. Just no energy, no energy whatsoever. So, you know, at least for the TV viewing crowd, they tried to stack it with, I thought, a compelling fight at the top.

I think, like, Park was a great replacement. If anything, I think some people were looking forward more to seeing him than Albaazi. Albaiz just has like a weird reputation of, I don't know if people don't like him, but. So Park was an intriguing replacement. And then you had Duncan Robeski and Ribovitz Brenner, which on paper looked like amazing fights. In practice, tend to not be amazing fights. The rest of the main card, I mean, you can say what you will, but I think they did what they could. You know, you have guys like Magni on there because he's a veteran, same with Zeletsky.

You have Hosa and Cornelia on there because, oh, just we have ranked fighters. Look, we've got ranked fighters in the card. And then you've got an up-and-comer and belay host. So that's really all you can do. And even with all that, it was a tough pull, I think even for hardcore fans. This was a tough sell. This was a tough one to get into. And I don't criticize any fan.

I don't care if you're the most hardcore fan and you felt like you had to tune out. I do not criticize you for that. There's just so many cards in the year. and there's just something about the apex, which is a vacuum of excitement. Imagine if the two fights that won fight of the night, Mike, had happened in an arena anywhere in the world. Not even like the biggest day. Give me like a 12,000 seat or somewhere, you know, some fight night show. It would have been spectacular.

It would have been such a memorable great moment. For us, it still is who watched it. But I actually think like, I know both these fights are, I think they'll make, you know, the shortlist for fight of the year. I think they'd be like right, right, right, right near the top if there was a crowd. I just think it helps put it over, right? And I think the fighters would have put just a little more juice into it, even though they gave us so much already. So, oh, gosh, we've got to get out of this warehouse.

We've got to out of this warehouse, Mike. This is rough. Chris Duncan versus Batushchevetsky, if that was like in London or something, geez, louise, dude. Paris. Paris would have anywhere. Like, literally anything for that fight. The fans would have lost it for that fight in particular. And the Rievich-Brenner fight was really good.

good too. Mm-hmm. This is just different. Like, it was just, raw, just beating the piss out of each other for 15 minutes, swinging as hard as we can,

pain be damned. It was just unbelievable and just, it was just in the apex. So it's going to get lost in the shuffle, much like Brandon Allen versus Chris Curtis got lost in the shuffle. What a wild-ass fight that was. Once we got to making the list, nobody cared.

because that fight took place in the apex. We got to stop doing this. The UFC will never leave there. It's a stubborn thing at this point. And I understand the cost savings. And they're making billions of dollars. So it must, they're doing something right.

But for the actual viewership, this is why it's things, it's events like this that could be delivered. Because Casey said on the post-fight show that this felt like a WEC car. because it was like middle weights and below, but mostly like lightweight and below. It's just one of those type of cards.

You mix in a couple middleweight fights and, you know, the occasional wealth away fight. Like imagine if you just put this event on in front of like 500 people. Sure. Like anywhere. Like go to wherever fucking tough enough is holding their events. A smoky casino ballroom. Like that just seems like tiny,

but like the energy is so electric. Like, just do that. Like, what are we doing here? You'll do power slap in a hotel ballroom and sell a thousand tickets to that, but we can't get UFC fights in those positions because you have to have them at the apex. It's frigging insane. It's just, it's so crazy. And we have to continue to have this conversation about the soullessness of this building in these cards.

Is Mandelaide Bay? Is that still a thing? Remember they used to hold those smaller events like the Mandalay Bay Events Theater? Remember that? They have tough finale there. Is it just not exist anymore? Is that...

It might. I haven't done Mandalay in a while. Like, that'd be so... That's fine. And I think that's... Well, that's, again, very small.

I think it would be a thousand people, if that even, would be a few hundred people. The place you had... The place you did Marab versus Jan, that card that we called UFC Las Vegas. I think there's maybe like 1,200 people in there. Like, that was terrific.

And the... The Apex still has a use, like we said. Contender Series, of course. Contender Series. is like perfect. Like I would still want those fights to happen in front of people, but I understand why they're like, no, this is the tryout. You know, this is the tryout and it's a show.

It's a five-fight studio show. We want to be able to do like interviews to people right after and any of those live and blah. I'm like, yeah, that's cool. You know, that makes sense to me. And you're also creating this like intimate setting where it's just sort of their friends and family are there. Perfect. Perfect use of an apex.

I joke about it. But yes, if you're going to keep doing the ultimate fighter, perfect use of the apex. And we would hope, I think when they first started this whole thing, we thought like, oh, maybe they would work out a deal with some of these other promotions to host smaller events there. Again, that would kind of suck. Like if I was LFA or something, you know, these are these are promotions that like, again, hold events in front of people. But if they had like developmental, you know, they would want to expand how development,

developmental cards, excuse me, then they could have those in the apex, right? I know like Fury fighting championship has a Challenger series. And again, normally in front of people and if that's working for them, fine. but if there's at some point they want to do more Challenger series events and they're like, well, we can't sell up, blah, blah, or it's just not feasible. Maybe they have those the effects. So there is a use for it. Like we don't want to say, oh, this venue is purposeless.

It has a purpose. But having actual high level UFC fights in there is so, so stupid and so frustrating to watch. Yeah. UFC BJJ, sure. Amazing. Perfect. If you want to, if you, they just, they could just put a thousand seats in there. I mean, Dana's been teasing.

it for a while. They are doing an expansion and what that actually will entail remains to be seen. I mean, you could see sort of like the external work being done, but we'd have no idea what it's going to look like inside. But I mean, if we could put a thousand people in there, then that's a whole different ballgame. But it's just, it's pretty bad when contender series events have way more energy than a UFC fight card. Because the contender series events, it is like the fans of the fighters. And yeah, you do get some of that in this card, but it's also like fight fans who want to go and watch fights. These apex cards, they're dragging a couple of influencers and their buddies to like sit on the couch and get hammered and just watch fights, but they don't know anything about what's happening.

And you can just feel it in the, watching on TV. It's just crazy. This needs to stop. It needs to go away. UFC has followed WWE down a lot of roads. in a lot of respects when it comes to production and what a broadcast looks like and sounds like. They should probably do more of that, if we're being honest. So that is our gripe with this event. It wasn't a terrible watch. It just was in the apex, which made it like 20% worse

because of the energy that it entailed. And it's unfortunate for a young whippersnapper like Tetsuro Tira, A.K., who headlined his third consecutive card, all three of them. the world's most famous apex uh Alex Fores then the fight of the year contender gets brand roi ball which did not make a lot of lists why AK because it took place that the world's famous ape and now he's back tatsura tyra takes on hundsung park and this was this was an asswopin this was not competitive for a second AK Tetsuro just drops him just mauls him in round one I thought this was

about as clear of a 10-8 round as you can get. Not a single judge scored at a 10-8, because why would they? And then we get to round two, and Tyra is just like, all, I'm done with this. Just pushes Poro-Yen-sung Park against the fence, and he hoists the man in the air,

tosses him down like he was 100 pounds, and just ripped his face, just crank the face, and Tatsura-Taira barely broke a sweat and taps a very good fighter. And hence, Jansung Park, his first loss. A.K., you know what Michael Bisbing wants? Because he basically yelled at Tetsuro Tira for not pulling out Brandon Marino.

That was the most awkward thing ever. We're not going to go down that road again. But Tetsuro wants a title shot. He feels that this performance merits it. Pantosia has yet to fight Tetsuro Tira. Josh Van has not fought Tetsuro Tira. But, AK, if there's one thing I know about you, it's two things, really. One, if you miss weight, we're not talking about you on the show.

And two, if you're a young up-and-comer and you still have more time to spread your wings and fly, maybe take that time. Spread those wings and fly. Continue to develop your game before fighting for belts. But who knows, A.K., maybe this performance swayed you at all, did it? I mean, it swayed me as in, you know, reminding me that Tara is such a super talent. But it's funny because he reminded us that this was floating around on social media a lot that there are levels to this. And I like Park a lot. I actually picked Park to win in an upset.

I was not even close. Taira completely demolished him. But he reminded us their levels of this. And having said that, I don't think Tair was ready for Pantosia yet either. I just, I know he was competitive with Roy Val, don't get wrong. And Roy Val is one of the three or four best flyweights in the world. So people could point to that and say, well, look, he was competitive with this guy. he ran through a lower tier guy,

do the math that look at his overall U.C. record. That puts him somewhere in Pantosia range. And that's fine. Like I think he could have a competitive fight with Pantosia. I just think he, I would put him at like a plus 400 underdog. I don't think that's how it would come out. I do think this has been a buzz around him.

It would be a bit lower than that. But I don't like his chances to beat Pantosia at this stage. It's, again, there are levels. I think Pantosia is a tier above many people, not just 10-0 Tera. Like, again, almost everyone in the division, except maybe like three. Almost everyone in the sport, A.K.

Seriously. The guy's unbelievable. So I am in no hurry. I am in no hurry to see that. I think for Tyra, I just want to keep moving him along. Like, I know, I like that he's calling for Matosia. I like that he has a goal in mind. I like the idea of Brandon Moreno fight.

But I'm actually having to take a step back. I don't have to, but I'm comfortable doing it. I had previously called for someone who won recently to get the winner of this fight. And I stand by it. I actually stand by. I still want to see this. I still don't think there's any need to rush Tyra into a top five opponent matchup. I'm sticking with Asu Amabaya.

That's what I wanted after Asu's most recent win was to get the winner of this fight, which was supposed to be Al-Bazi or Tyra. But I'll stand by. I'll stand by it. I could have changed it. I still want to see Tyra and Al-Mababab. If he runs to El Mabayev, kind of like Manal Kopp did, then I think then I'm going like, okay, he has to get top five.

guy or a talos shot neck so let's keep going the guy's young he's the young he's not nearest prime either tyra's 25 years old or something like that so just excited to see him fight again and glad he put on such a fantastic show my biggest takeaway from this fight and i and i've felt this way for a for a little while even even after watching the royval fight i felt this way i don't know if tyra beats fantosia but i think out of every single realistic and available fighter at a hundred 25 pounds right now. I think Tetsura Tira gives Pantosia the toughest fight. I think he's the most difficult matchup for Pants than anybody else in this division right now, even at 24 or 25 because his grappling is insane. It is super high level. His striking is not as good, obviously as Pantosia's,

but he got some heat on him because he's a big ass athletic 125 pounder. So I do think he would give Pantosia an interesting challenge. The problem is Pantosia is Pantosia, and he's just so damn good, and it doesn't matter what you bring to the table. I'm going to pick Pantosia to beat you. Having said that, if it were up to me, I would probably give him the shot because why the hell not? We've seen weirder things happen.

We've seen Steve Ursaig fight for the belt. We've seen Kaya Sakura fight for the belt before having a single year. UFC fight, we're going to post see Josh Van fight for the belt, who is at the same age as Tetsu Ro Tire. And I get to tell you, as much as I love watching Josh Van fight, I would pick Tetsu Ro Tire to beat Josh Van right now, which would be kind of interesting. And I wish we kind of lived in a world where Pantosia, like, was fighting Kai Kara France in like a month or two.

So then we'd be on the show saying Tetsu Retire versus Josh Van is the fight to make. and then the winner gets a title shot. Like, that'd be a great place to live. But Ben took opportunities and look where he is right now. Moreno's fine if they book it. Like, I'll certainly watch it. Jed and I have been in agreement on this for a while. Now that Keoggi Horaguchi is in the UFC,

we got to do Brandon Moreno versus Keoggi Horaguchi. Like that fight friggin slaps. Love it. And I don't know if there's any, I don't know if there's any other flyway fight on the planet that I want to see more than that one. So what I have landed on, is especially if we can pull this off in September.

I don't know if we can, but it would be cool if we did. How about Tetsu-O-Taira versus Kai-Kara-France? I think that's, it's a guy who's ranked currently, and who knows what it'll come Tuesday, but I don't think there's going to be a lot of movement in the rankings since Taira beat an unranked guy. Kikar-France has ranked one spot higher in the UFC rankings than Tetsu-Syra. So if we're going by just level of progression and step-by-step,

Kai Kar-France makes a lot of sense. It's a top five win. And he probably wins that fight. So yeah, let's just go ahead and do that. I mean, I don't know what to do. Yeah, we're on our way. I would be surprised if Tyra does not have like, I mean, these are tough fights that we've mentioned for him.

But like you said, I would probably pick him to be Carcara France. I'd probably beat him to pick some of the other names you mentioned. I'll say this. You know, if we had to do a true or false, will Tyra challenge for the flyway title in 2026? I'll go true. I would lean strongly towards true. I don't know what the path is there exactly,

but I do feel like it's just like one win. Whether it's against a guy who's slightly behind him or slightly ahead of him in the rankings, I do feel like it's one win away. And then, yeah, Pentosia, assuming he beats Josh Van, which, you know, he'll be a pretty heavy favorite. He'll need fresh challengers.

He'll need fresh challengers. Tower's right there. If something happens to Josh, if they book this fight and something happens with Josh, Tyra has to be the first phone call at me, right? I would hope so. It just has to be. I would hope so.

You mentioned earlier, by the way, this was his third straight main event at the UFC Apex. I didn't realize all but one of his fights in the UFC at take. That's just at the apex. That's disgusting. That is disgusting. He fought at UFC 290, which was T-Mobile Arena. What a card that was, too. And then four straight fights at the apex.

Like you said, God, that is just repulsive. Like, get him out of there. It was kind of understandable early on. Like, you know, we say like, oh, this is Apex is, if they're going to do it, throw young guys and they're fine. And he is still a young guy, but you got to start putting him in front of people. Otherwise, when that Pantosia title fight or whoever he's fighting with the title comes along, you're going to have the general, like, fan base to be like, who the F is this guy? I don't watch Apex cards. Who is this guy?

Like, that would be a legitimate reaction. And I'll be, I'll be annoyed by it, but I'll also be like, yeah, they've conditioned people not to care about these Apex cards. So why should fans care about a guy who's only fought at the apex getting a towel a shot? And that's such a crappy attitude to have. But it's going to be out there if it happens, I'll tell you. And that sucks. And that's not Tyra or his team's fault at all. Great performance.

Yes. Let's head to one of the fights of the night. Let's go to Chris Duncan getting a huge win over Matush Rabatjke, aka this fight was just, I mean, there's, if you haven't watched it, you, I don't know if I could do it justice. Because you can, you could follow it on social media, and you could see all the, the bloody photos of both guys. And you can think to yourself, like, this was a war. These two guys just beat the hell out of each other. But until you actually watch it from second one to the final horn at the 15-minute mark,

you cannot appreciate what these two guys did in that octagon to each other. It was absolutely insane. But Chris Duncan, AK, this guy, I keep picking against him and he keeps winning. And I thought he clearly won the fight 29, 28. It was unbelievable. I think right now it's like my third favorite fight of the year, but it probably won't make the top five because of where it happened. And Chris Duncan deserves a step up in competition.

He deserves the opportunity to fight a name. And he deserves to do so on like a pay-per-view card in front of fans. So I don't think Chris Duncan's fighting anytime soon, at least not in the next couple months. But the UFC will be heading. to the world's most famous, not Apex, arena sometime in November, I believe it will be UFC 322.

What about either a featured fight pass prelim? Maybe the featured prelim. Maybe the main card opener for UFC 32. Chris Duncan taking on Matt Steamroller, Fravola, okay? How about that? You said, and I thought we were going to be on the same page. Matt was definitely on my radar. Great matchup with Chris Duncan.

Chris Duncan is, he's just going to be one of those guys at the 1505 who's going to be so exciting to watch for the next three years. People, you are, three or more. I say only three years, at least three years. People, we are being treated to a true diamond in the rough year. I mean, there wasn't a ton of hype around him coming to the UFC. And he's really showed out, man. He's really just performed. I went with, you know, Mike you mentioned probably won't be fighting soon.

Might need a bit of a break. There's another fighter who's never fighting soon and also often needs a bit of a break. Of course, I'm talking about Mike Davis. I would love to see Chris Duncan and Mike Davis throw down. I just think that would be fantastic. Put that on MSG as well. Like I, I, we need, wherever Chris Duncan fights, I think everyone we're mentioning on the show cannot be at the apex.

Just stop it. This guy needs to be under the bright lights. I would think, has Chris Duncan fought in front of, he's fought on international cards, right? Has to have fought on some international cards, right? Well, if he's going to fight in a, in front of a crowd in the United States, man, doing it at Massacre Garden would just be so fun to watch. So I love the Mike Davis. I love your pick of Matt Travola.

He's got a lot of great options in that sort of 11 to like 20 range. And he's earned it. He's earned it. The guy's really good. Four straight wins, I believe, for Mr. Duncan right now. So dude is just, just doubt. I keep doubting him. They keep putting him in like, they keep giving him steps up.

And I'm like, oh, damn it. Now I have to pick against him again. And he keeps winning. So I don't care. who they book them up against. I would probably pick Chris Duncan. I might even put a bet on him. Why the hell not?

Let's go to Esteban Rebovich, another delightful fighter who, aka this is, this annoys me so much that Esteban Reivovich was one half of most people's fight of the year last year. Put it at the spear, this tent pole event, this one in a million card that'll never be repeated ever again. Esamon Rievich wins gets round of the year honors fight of the year honors in a lot of people's minds his next two fights are at the UFC Apex and he loses to Nashir Hack for Asset

in a fight that was actually very fun I thought Reivich won that fight and then he gets Elvis Bredder again at the apex wins a fight of the second fight of the night and probably wins one of the 12 best fights of the year so far and yet two straight fights at the apex. I don't understand the thought process behind these guys.

You want to throw Nick Klein at the apex? That makes all the sense of the world. But Estevan Riewicz should not be competing at the apex. Having said that, AK, lightweight's the best vision in the sport. No wrong way to go for a guy like Ruevich, he's going to deliver in spades. Who are you throwing them up against? I actually have quite a bit of trouble with this one, and you'll see you later with the Belahos pick, because probably because it's such a wide-brainer options.

And you know, you're asking yourself, am I just, you know, focusing on keeping this person in fun fight? I mean, any fight that Reba-Vits in is going to be fun pretty much, unless you put him in there with someone who's just like a 95-per-take-down attempts in a fight thing. Even then, he'd probably find a way to make that fun. So I have to just kind of keep, like, looking up the rankings and looking, where do I want to land Reba-Vitz? I think I went with someone who I have in my top 25 at 155 pounds,

and this would just be a complete banger of a fight. Give me Rebavitz and Manuel Torres. How about that? Reivovitz and Manuel Torres. That's from landing. That's from landing. I love that fight. Mm-hmm.

If you want to throw that on Noche, could certainly use it. It's coming up. It's coming up. I went a little different direction. In fact, A.K., I'm going to put this fight on the same card as Chris Duncan versus Mattivore Vola.

At Madison Square Garden. Lightweights rock. let's do Esteban Rievich. I hate to do this because I don't want either of these guys to lose because they just are so good fun. How about Esteban Rievich versus Dezim Sattikoff, okay? We just, let's just go right after it at MSG. Man.

Throw both those, dude. Throw both those fights at MSG. You know, I see people saying like, and I say people, I say random social media comments. I don't know if this reflects any broader opinion. like they're a little bit worried about how like the top of the lightweight division because you know some of the guys are aging out and um the title picture is a little murky with ilia like you know not being very clear about who he's going to fight next like we all things me patty but he also hates patty he's currently has no interest in fighting armin so i i agree like it sucks when you see the there's a bit of a log jam at the top of 155 um and i think people are worried also like oh well what does it mean for the future of the division and like the fact is like there's actually like 30 like up and coming lightways the problem is you have to keep throwing up against each other, right? So there's a ton of guys who could be like future title contenders,

but at some point, um, Averyvitz is going to have to fight a Nazim Sadacoff or Chris Duncan's going to have to fight a Mike Davis or, you know what I mean? Like it's, it's, it's unfortunate.

It's great for us as fans. It's great for us fans to see these action figures just get mashed together in these incredible matchups. But yeah, it's hard to build stars and contenders when you, when you're just putting guys in fights where it's nearly impossible to string together like a three, four, five fight win streak. Like there's just going to be losses.

in there. There's going to be hard fought 29, 20 losses in there. So I agree with you, Mike. The lightweight division is still the strongest division in the sport. I think people are a little frustrated with the contender line not being clear. I have confidence it will shake its way out. I don't know, again, I don't know if these lightweight contenders of the future will be Chris Duncan will be Estevan Reevitz or someone else or any other, again, a dozen other names you could throw out there. But I'm excited to find out. So yeah, impossible to avoid these matchups, Mike. I think that's a great pick for Rebivitz and Saddicov. Yeah, just, I mean, just so fun.

Awesome. So fun. And it's just going to be another straight battle for who wins fight at the night. Because one of those two fights is getting it. It doesn't matter what the rest of the card looks like. So even if you put Chandler or Gaichi or anybody else, they will be battling with Esmond Rievon Rievich and or Chris Duncan. Carol Hosa, AK.

Mm-hmm. The flip-flopper at 130. 35 pounds. She wins. She loses. She wins. Again. She loses. Carol Hosa gets it done. She beats Nora Cornoli. It got a little hairy early on, but then it was just the Carol host. So it was just one-way traffic the rest of the way.

I just, I don't think you could keep the band at this point because like there's nobody in this division. So I just found like the next possible option that she hasn't fought yet. I owe Jacqueline Cabalcanti because who else like who else was I supposed to pick Kayla Harrison we can't kill the band for that I think that's like a pretty good pick I that's a pretty not I think that took some insight no all right one two three friends forever okay not our most enthusiastic rendition but as you said not exactly like having to there's only she's the only one of the top 12 top 13 14 that Carol also hasn't But I think he could still do the Yanos

rematch. That's just like a fun fight. But yes, if you're looking for a fresh name, I'm pretty sure it has to be, um, Jacqueline. So yeah, and that's, and that's a cool fight. Carol Hose, you said the flip-flopper wins, losses, you know, just 500 record in her last. I'm looking at nine, eight fights, eight fights, nine fights. Um, you know what she doesn't flip-flop on, Mike is going to the scorecards.

This woman has not gone, has not seen a fight end inside the distance in six years. years. I had to go, oh my gosh, before the UFC? Yeah, before the UFC. Oh, she's never gone, she's gone to a decision in every UFC fight in her career. 19 wins in her career overall, 13 decisions. I'll just tell people, little, don't bet on MMA, but if you're one of those parlay freaks out there, you've got like a solid two legs and you need a rock solid third leg, Carol hosts a fight to go to the distance. I am just saying that leg is titanium strong. Okay, Just an over one and a half. Like, let's just make it as easy as possible.

She should have finished Nora Cornoli. Oh, yeah. She should have finished her. But somehow she just can't. I don't know. And I credit to Nora, I guess it's tough. But I, you guys watch the last like half of that second round. You're like, there must have been like three different ways that Calhosa should have

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Neil Magni, AK. Neil effing Magni was like, no, I will not lose my third straight fight. I'm going to fight Eliza Zaleski-dos Santos, some age-appropriate match baking,

which we appreciate on this program. He just gets a, he just nailed magneed all over him. Second round submission. and gets to celebrate his 38th birthday and just magnificent fashion with the win. Where do we go with Neil Magni? There are certainly options. Do we continue on this trend of age-appropriate matchmaking?

Or this is when immediately thrust Neil Magni into the top 15 gatekeeper spot again to stave off some young dangerous whippersnapper again? Like, I want to take this opportunity for us to congratulate you on almost having a perfect card. Damn it. I'm sorry. It was, yeah, the best T Duncan fight. And it's such a competitive fight, too, right? I mean, like I said, Duncan, we feel Duncan clearly won.

But as you were watching that fight, you probably felt pretty good. You were like, ah, I think, like, I think, because you were, yeah, you were, I guess that point were 10 and no, right? It's 12 fight card, 10 and 0. You were 10 and no on your picks. And you got the main event, too. So 11 out of 12, I'm like, you're just, ah, you were right there. I was okay.

I will say I nailed my magnate pick. I think that's what I'm so excited about. It's not like I'm a genius. Like, if you go to our predictions, I almost picked exactly. to how the fight would go. But it's, guess what? It's because I've seen Neil Magni fight before. It's not like, oh, yeah, it's a great insight. This Magni kid, watch, he's going to do this. Yeah, we've seen him fight before. He's like, first round can go either way. Often, doesn't go his way. And then he has, he's just has, he's a great bit, well-composed, super mentally strong

athlete. And he's going to, and if he finds an opening to come back and if you falter even a little bit, he's going to take advantage. He's been here many, many times. I think people said, what, 35 UFC welter rate fights? That's freaking insane. Yeah, his 35th fight in the UFC. God, that's insane. So, yeah, so that was great to see. I mean, Magny's just a warrior. I will go with not a super, a younger guy than him,

but not a super young guy. How about can we finally make this Kevin Holland thing happen? I feel like they've been in each other's orbit. They both like to stay active. Calvin Hall, I know he had that loss. I imagine he's still probably trying to get in there like two more times before the years over. One of those guys with Neil Magny. Another guy, even in his, you know, approaching 40 is a very active guy.

By the way, and as we record this, happy birthday, Neil Magny. 38 years young, Mike, 38 years young as we record this. Kevin Holland has tweeted out about an hour ago as you record. October 4th, Sin City I emojis. That is the date of UFC 320, which would make a lot of sense. And they did Neil Magny. They would make a lot of sense. I just don't know if they booked.

Maybe they did some like same day matchmaking because Dana White was in the building and they were just they just took upon themselves to just book the next card. I actually went a different direction for one, Neil Magni. If they do hauling, that makes all the sense in the world. I think if Kevin beat Daniel Rodriguez, that fight makes so much more sense because Kevin was going to try to break the win record and go like 6 and O and be the first fighter to do so. But A.K., I would like to stress age-appropriate matchmaking. Because it is very rare in this sport of ours that in the Walterweight division,

we can have a 38-year-old fighter, stand across the octagon from another 38-year-old fighter. And this guy, very smartly, returned to this division, a division that he did so great outside of the UFC competing in, goes to the UFC, goes up a weight class, still found success, but probably stayed in that weight class a little too long. How about Neil Magni versus Chris Curtis? Oh. Oh, wow. Oh, wow, the action man. That's good.

The action man versus the Haitian sensation. I have no notes. No, no, it's. I think that is great. I think that that is just fantastic. It's about time is what I would say. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

That's been a dream matchup for you for fans for many, many years. Let's go to Kevin Vallejos, okay. This guy rocks. He's so fun. This fight with Danny Silva was excellent. I thought Vallejos might have a little more success. But you know what? Kevin Vallejos is just a, he's an unselfish man, okay?

He watched those prelims. He watched Trashon Gore and Hidalpha Vierra fist fight each other for 15 minutes in the second worst fight of 2025 because Philelelecana and Blason exists. So there's no, it is going to take. something truly special to overtake that fight is the worst fight of 2025. Kevin's like, we get up the intensity. We get up the excitement a little bit. Let's make this one a little bit closer than it needs to be. And boy, it just starts the main card off with an absolute bang.

I was with you. I had a hard time picking this one. I didn't know what direction to go because I almost don't want to go too quickly with Kevin, even though I think he can compete with like some pretty high rank guys right now. I just don't want him to just do too much too soon. I want to just kind of keep him building. I think he could be something really special and like a fan favorite guy in this division for a long time.

So I gave him like, I think an appropriate step up. But if he could lose, I owe to Joe Anderson Brito. Wow. Ooh. That is, that's a tough one. That's a jump up. I got to go somewhere. them yeah so this is like again similar thing i was saying with i think with uh rebevitz right i was

like how high up do you think you can reasonably jump valetho so i actually so i currently have valetos outside just outside the top 40 and if people think i'm crazy it's like again this is don't guys he's two ufc fights in featherweight is a very deep division so that's not an insult to him so i was like hesitant i i have brito 27 so i have breto my top 30 so you yours you're that what you're saying is you believe he has top 30 potential now. Like you said, he could very well lose that fight. But if he beat Brito, you wouldn't be blown away. You'd be like, you'd be impressed, obviously.

But you'd be like, yeah, he's, he's potentially a top 30, 145 or right now. I would pick it. I would pick him doing that. I would pick players to win this. I think he would be favored. I think as well. So my, my initial pick was going to be Billy Q. That was going to be similar.

Yeah. My pick. I just, I think Billy Q's dinged up a little bit after that. It's ridiculous if I would come to. Watson. So I think he's going to be out for a little bit. I thought I saw something of that to that effect. So I put him like somewhere in that range. And yeah, Brito was the guy. He's on a two-fight losing streak. So it would kind of make sense for Brito to have to take a step back like that. And I think Danny Silva is actually really good. I had silver ragged a couple spots higher than

Kevin Vallejo's heading into this fight. But after seeing that fight, I have Valleos at where do I have him? Number 35. That's where I have Valleos after this performance. And I have Brito at 32. I gave him the guy I have at 34. Man, one day we should really, I wish we could find a way to sort of share our personal rankings. But like I just haven't like this word document.

It'd be so ugly to look at. Like I just don't know. Oh, yeah. It's atrocious. It's ghastly. Yeah, it's ghastly. But I have, I gave him my number 34 ranked featherweight. Mike, I'm going with Fernando Padilla.

I don't know. Maybe I had nocha UFC in my mind. or something because like you said earlier yeah you could throw rieva bit said and torres on there you could throw uh you could throw uh you could throw uh velaosa and pedia on there uh so maybe that was on my mind but yeah similar thinking um let's find him him someone who is i would say have like a little bit higher ranked but maybe moving in the opposite direction right now and see where they are and that's also just would be an incredible fight i mean him him and padia just all the guys you mentioned which would be awesome awesome battles

hell yeah let's go to the wild card round we'll select one fighter we've not match made four we'll match make for them right now okay who is the wild card pick Mike's going to be a little controversial. It's a little controversial. I'm breaking a... First of all, I'm picking a losing fighter, which is fine. We found out before for Wildcard. But that's not the controversial part.

You mentioned at the beginning of the show. We don't like to talk about fighters who missed weight. I'm going to talk about a fighter who missed weight. So I'm breaking a rule here. First of the rule of mine. I want to talk about Trishon Gore. I want to talk about Trishangor. I don't know why I have such a fondness for this man.

Maybe it's because he was on the ultimate fighter. Okay, I get it. Ha, ha, ha. A.K. is obsessed with the ultimate fighter. I get it. But we were talking about this in the slack the other night. This is a guy who I feel like has been so mismanaged by the UFC. And sorry to point a finger at his team.

It's just he should not be fighting the people he's fighting the UFC right now. I would argue he shouldn't be in the UFC right now. Now before Tresang Gore or any Tresang Gore fans come after me, I mean this as like looking out for him. I think he's a very talented guy. I think anyone who's seen, again, anyone who saw him in the own fighter, anyone who's even seen him fight, not every fight, but when he's had good moments. I know you can see us with anyone. You see the potential.

You see the vision of a guy who could be something at 185 pounds. But he entered the UFC with just, I'm trying to, I have to look it up here. He had a little bit of amateur experience, and then he finally also a fighter. And when he made his U.C. debut, he was three and O. He had three professional fights plus what he did in the ultimate fighter. That's so little. Even in today's day and age where we're like contender series, I get it. Like we're just signing people left and right.

Like this was a tough go. He should not be fighting guys like Hodelio in his eighth pro fight. He should not be fighting Marco Tullio in his seventh pro fight. He should not be fighting Cody Brundage in his fourth pro fight. Like I know people are like, oh, these guys only have five, six, seven more fights than him or whatever. But a lot of these things matter. And he's, like I said, all I hear about Trashon is good ground game and a guy who hits really hard. And it's fine.

That's okay on the regional scene. But at the UFC level, even with the, you know, the diluted talent pool, it's, it's just not, he just doesn't have the experience. So my, my pick for him is essentially like, I don't know if it's last final contract. If it is last final his contract, I would like to see him part ways with the promotion. I want to see this guy. This guy should be on regional shows. It should have been anyway fighting O and two guys, two and one guys, other guys who are three and oh, you know, who have similar records. It's so stupid to throw a guy with three, four pro fights into the octagon with, you know, guys who are just more experienced.

And I know he's got some wins, but he's got wins against guys that those fights would normally, and, you know, five years ago would have taken place on an LFA show, would have taken place on, you know, Fury FC. So I don't know if I'm talking about just score here. but I still see a guy who could be like a really good middleweight. Like honestly, I don't know. A ranked guy, I don't know. But like a top 20 middleweight, someone who has a long career. And I just feel like his growth has been so stunted. And I think he's going to be so discouraged when you see a record of like 5 and 4.

I think confidence is so much in the UFC. I think there's a big difference starting your career 5 and 4 and starting your career 9 and 0. And I don't care who you're fighting. I think there's just a big difference from mentality standpoint. So I hope Trashon gets some room to breathe. He's only 31 years old, Mike. He's not an old guy. I hope it gets some room to breathe, room to develop on a zone.

I think this means a return to the regional scene. And Trayshan, if you're out there, there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that. It sucks. It's going to be a hit to your paycheck. It's not UFC money. It's not UFC exposure. But I think in the long run, I want to see a world where two years from now, Mike,

we're talking about 33-year-old Trayshon Gore, who's coming off a four-and-over run in the regional scene and is back with the UFC. That's my dream. But I don't know. I just have to go on a rant about that. I love this. I love that. Perhaps it'd be a fun, like, tough season to incorporate the Trashon Gors of the world into the mix.

So my immediate thought, and this was, I had my wild card selection picked, at least I thought, at least I thought, as soon as he Kevin, not, as soon as the Espan Rivich, Elvis Brenner fight ended. I was like. For the love of, for the love of God, can we give Elvesbredder, like the non-Edson Barbosa route? This dude is just fighting the hitters of all hitters that nobody knows in this division. Just look at his last three fights.

It's just, it's, it's absolutely insane. The hitters that this guy has had to fight. And it, he capped off at Esteban Rovich. Mick Debeck or, it's, where is he? That pulled up. wrong one, but I just have to look at it to appreciate it again. Mick Debeck Oral by Joel Alvarez, Esteban Rievich, is his last three fights.

And his second UFC fight was Guram Kutata Ladez, who was not on the losing streak he's on now. In fact, he started the losing streak for Guram with that incredible come from behind win. So my initial picture is like Elvis Brenner versus Alex Reyes or something, for God's sake. Let's just give him the lowest rank, the 97th ranked lightweight in the world. And let's just like give him a step back. But the UFC's not going to do that. So, okay, I think you might appreciate this.

And I'm going to actually get a little controversial for this program as well. I'm going to pick a winning fighter who missed weight. And it's going to be a different direction, AK. Whoa. We're going on a journey right now. Two weight missing wild cards? Yes. But.

Damn. The weight missing wildcard is the B side to this fight. I'm not making specifically for him. I'm more matchmaking for his opponent, almost sort of as a, this is what you get for missing weight. Now you're stuck doing this shit. Shout to Rini Nakamura, okay?

Shout out to Brinia Nakamura. 62 seconds, just runs through the opposition like he needed to do. This guy's super talented. He's super good. Him falling in love with the striking a little too much. might be a problem. But it won't be a problem when you fight this guy who should no longer be a flyweight. Hafiel Estevam, you are done at 125 pounds.

You are being pushed up to bantam weight at least for one fight. And if you're, he's not a spring chicken, A.K. Esteban is not a spring chicken. He's going to fight Renni Nakamura next at bantamweight for his penance. That will be the penance for his sins. And if he beats Renni Nakamura, then you can kind of decide where your fate is. Are you a flyweight? Are you a banim weight?

But I'm here to tell you when you miss weight by that much. And it was a clear, clear advantage in this fight. He used that to his advantage. In fact, it would not surprise me if he was just like, you know what, F it, I'm making 12 and 12. I'm just going to blow weight by four pounds because who cares? I'll get the second half of my paycheck.

I would rather get my win bonus and lose 25% of my purse, which by the way, A.K., did you even know that you cannot get penalized more than 25% in Noste? I did not know that. Until I saw you saw Rubenstein talking about that, right? That's crazy. I did not know that. That is absolutely insane. Yeah.

Because he got fined the same amount. Well, I mean, Trashon also almost missed by four pounds. But yes, both guys should have been fined at least 30%. 30. Not more. Yeah. What are we doing here? But Esabam has to, ESOM is good.

His skill set is very good. He's a great wrestler. his top control is nasty go fight Rania man I'm sorry like this is what you have to do and we'll see how good his wrestling actually is because Rini and Akeboer's wrestling is friggin spectacular so

I think it's a great fight I did not know Estom was I should just notice by looking at him he's 5 foot 8 yeah buddy you that's not you should not be fighting at flyweight like that is that's, oh my gosh.

I don't know because when you were saying like, he can't fight a flyweight anywhere. I had to go check. I'm like, I was going to be like, oh, Mike, the guy's like five foot five. Like, well, you can't have him up there at Bantam weight. And then I said he's five foot eight. Yeah, I think we know maybe why he's having trouble making the weight.

Damn. Okay. Yeah, let's, uh, let's move on up. Yeah, you're, you're, you're just not a flyweight. And that's okay. We can't all be all things. Like, I can't be a mailman.

It could be cool like once in a while to go deliver mail. But like, I can't just go do it. So you're just on a flyweight Like you're 28 You've missed weight Two out of three fights When you miss wait two out of three fights You gotta go up for a cup of coffee at least

So That's that's that's that's where Haphaelisvonne's agree So agree Let's go to the peeps AK Unless we have any other news and notes We need to get to I think we can go

Go to the listeners All right I'm gonna rifle through mine pretty quickly I didn't get a ton Understandably so Because nobody watched this freaking card and also kind of understandable, but again, for those who did watch,

you were treated to a good time. We'll start with Micah Parsons. He likes Tyra versus Moreno. He is on team Michael Bisbing with this pick. Duncan versus Rebovich. We're just doing a... Michael Parsons doing the Grand Prix, the basically four-man Grand Prix at lightweight.

Duncan versus Reivovich, Brenner versus Rebek. Alves Brenner has to fight Matusur Rebechke now. Jesus. The loser's bracket. They got it. Sorry, guys. You got to go. You got to go. Jeez, Louise.

Tough scenes. Carol Hosa versus Erie Aldana, too. Now we're going to start running rematches for Carol Hosa. When was the first one? I don't know. 2023, December. Yeah, whatever.

Okay. All right. Magby versus Bonfeme falling the win over Wonderboy. That was actually going to be one of my one of my picks. But I just, I don't know.

I don't like it. I think that is a very logical direction for them to go. I just don't. I don't know. Don't love the matchup. Silva versus Chepe Mariscoll. Match, okay. Yeah, Silva's a crazy person.

We just want to throw them in there with other crazy people. Yeah. Yeah. Estevan versus Andre Lima, Poulia versus Adolfo Vieira. Oh my God. Now that, that could turn out to be what we thought Trayshon Gore versus Vieira could have bet.

I don't know. I don't know what to Hadolfo is We can't call him a middleweighty middleweight Because like you know Usually when we say middle weight Middleweight is for guys who don't have a distinct Skill set like but

But he's kind of become one right Because he obviously he came in as the guy that's like Oh he's a grab you know One of the greatest Jujica competitors of all time He's going to grapple is going to grapple He's going to grapple. But he's fallen in love with mixing the martial arts Mike I think he's become a

He has trained him to honed himself into a middleweighty middleweight Because that fight was so middleweighty Goodness me That was bad That was heavy weighty. Oh, no. That was heavy. Oh, no, Mike.

Two guys were just wiped out trying to punch each other. It was scenes. That's for sure. But Vieira might actually be the definition of middleweighty, middleweight because middleweighty, middleweight is the guy who is not going to be the top. He's bound to be like the 16th best fighter in the world. He won't make the rankings, but he's the one guy just outside of it. He's like the poker tournament player who can who missed the cash by one spot.

He was the bubble buster. That's who the middleweighty middleweight is. And Hidalfevere might just be that dude. It wasn't supposed to be this way, Mike. He was supposed to be the middleweight Damian Maya. I mean, you know, the old middleweight Damian Maya. It wasn't supposed to be this way. Then he got fluffied.

Fluffy just ruined him. Changed it totally changed him. He's like, I guess I got to round out my game. Like, no, don't round out your game. Oh, don't round it. So we got a couple interesting ones here. Nakamura versus Saeed Narbaghamadov. Oh, wow.

Great fight. And what about this one, okay? Vallejos. And I thought about this for a moment, but I couldn't do it. Versus Giga Chikaze. I feel like that is... I feel like that's a big jump. I don't know how I feel like Giga at this point, though.

It is a big jump. It is unquestioning. I think... And I say this with... And I don't say this to be a dink. I say this because I believed it for a long time. I think I forever thought Giga Chikazzi was the most overrated, one of the more overrated guys in the entire company.

Okay. I never thought he was the top 15 featherweight. I never really bought into that. The David Onama fight showed me a little bit, where it's like, okay, you want to say he's top 25? I'll grant you that. I think that's okay. I think he probably is a top 25 guy,

which makes this a pretty big step up to me because Giga has fought at least really good dudes so that kind of scares me a touch but if I think if like Vallejos wins his next fight and you want to go down that road I'm okay with that by the way Giga Chikazza is calling out who the hell he called out somebody he called out Yaya Rodriguez

at Twitter the other day and I was just like are you kidding me? Come on, man. Like, he's, how are you so bad at this? How? I don't understand. But what do you think about maybe Valleos getting Giga? I'm with you.

I think one fight away. I think it'd be interesting if Valleos had had that call out in his pocket. That would have been like, I don't think he ever would have done that. Just suddenly randomly called up for Gigi Jakade. But that might have been like a smart move because, yeah, he beats him. And technically he becomes a top 20 featherweight, Mike. I mean, based on just sort of like, you know, broader consensus here. But at the very least, top 25.

The very least he beats Giga, I think people would say, oh, yeah, this guy's top 25. And that's pretty impressive, given, I know he has quite a bit of pro experience, but only if he's third, third UFC win, that'd be amazing. So, yeah, I hadn't thought of it, but it's not like, it's not crazy. No, it's not crazy at all. Yeah, if we're going to give this dude the rocket ship treatment, yeah, you can make sense. John Ray, might be the only person matchmaking for Pierre Rodriguez, which is very smart. Pierre Rodriguez versus the Angel Hill, Yasmin Lucindo loser.

Is it smart, Mike? Because there's no chance we're going to remember this the next time Pierre Rodriguez has a fight. John Ray strikes as a guy who is going to remember. Okay, yeah. John, if you remember, obviously tell us that you're excited. I wonder if Angel Hill, I wonder when her career is going to wrap up. Never. I saw some things on Instagram maybe that, like, with her training partners,

potentially saying, like, this is the last one. I don't know, but maybe it's, maybe it was the last practice before the fight. I don't know. It could, it could mean a number of things. So it's something I do kind of have in the back of my mind. But that is a ranked fight. UFC Vegas one or nine. Estevob versus Bruno Silva.

I don't think they would fight each other. And I'm not going to do, do you here. Estevob, I believe, who was it? Was Esteban? I have to look at this real quick. Just, just to make sure. I just want to check also. I think Estabam had Captain Eric in his corner.

Hold on. I want to check Bruno's. No, Bruno's good on weight. Okay, for some reason I thought Bruno had missed weight. No, Bruno's solid when it comes to making weight. So there, no complaints there. Yeah.

Maybe not. Sure. Maybe we could do that. Okay. Okay. Okay. Maybe I'm crazy. I don't know.

Austin Bosci versus Jack Jenkins. Pulae versus Brundage, Viera versus. Oh, my. God, AJ. Oh my God. This might be... I know what you're going to say.

What am I going to say? I don't want this yet. You're not ready? This would be to actually crowned, like crowned what middleweighty middleweight actually is. Maybe it's different name then. Okay. What it was at the beginning. I'll tell you what I was thinking.

Okay, it's probably not to who I'm thinking back. Sorry, go ahead. If we're going to do this and we're going to do it right, hit off of Vera versus Jacob Alcun. It's just The perfect fight I feel like I've picked this Matchup on the show before

in some form or another Though I will say like I said Every time the name Jacob Malcolm comes up my mind just goes blank I'm so sorry If I ever meet Jacob Macoon He can slap me in the face Because like I don't know why

I just can't remember the guy's fights I can't remember the guy's fights I don't and he's been the UFC quite a bit He's got some good wins Can I remember He was the guy who Petroski Rammed his face to his hip or something His butt right?

Yeah, okay that's my most memorable Jacob Malcolm Malcolm moment and it's a good one And it's a good one. Legitimate knockout win for Jacob Muckoon. But that was that was strange. I, some reason, I don't know why. And as you explained it, I realized it's not this.

I thought you could say Torres-Fitting. Oh, no, no. Not yet. Please, not yet. Not yet. Someday, that's a, you build to that. You are building to this matchup someday. Oh, yeah.

That's, that's Hulk Coke and Andre the giant. UFC Vegas, UFC Vegas, 115 will be your head, headline by Hadofa Veda. 200. Two. Oh, double retirement fight. like it's it's and then we retire the belt like oh here we go knock another knockabore versus saeed uh vleus versus julia rosa i did think about that yep i don't mind that magni versus curtis hosa versus viera those two haven't fought i guess what i'm maybe at a teary i'm looking

right now go ahead go ahead keep uh rievitch versus tago moises i like that fight duncan versus ishmael bonfine park versus ochoa tyra versus kai car franz there you go. Robbie Ryan, happy August, gentlemen, Duncan versus Michael Johnson? What do you think about that?

I like it. You can tell Michael Johnson with anybody. I can throw him in there with anybody, yeah. God, Michael Johnson is going to look so tiny in there.

But he did just beat Daniel Sellehuber and is a large lightweight as well. Carol Hosa versus Giuliana Pena. Why not? That's why not? Two, I mean, if we're talking about

I don't want to look at Julianna Pena's resume, but you have to imagine she has, she's in the Flip-Flop Hall of Fame as well for wins and losses, like just swapping them out. So maybe that could be like, who's the greatest flip-flopper? People should be lining up to fight Carol Hosa

based on the flip-flopping because it's an automatic win. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she is due to her next right. She's going to get red in that ledger in her next fight. It's just how it goes. God, you're absolutely right. Neil Magny versus Michael Kiesa, too. Wow, it's been, wow, it's been a long time to that first fight.

It's like, what, five years? God, Neil Magnet fight so much. It's crazy when you go back and look at like, oh, how long? Five years ago that fight happened? Oh, in January, it'll be five years. Wow. Holy, wow. That is a long time.

I remember that. I remember that card because I think that was like a 10 a.m. start time on like a Wednesday, kind of a card because they were in Abu Dhabi. It was a fight island, like fight night card, I believe. and it just started like a random ass time and I loved it oh so much. Filahos versus Gabriel Santos. Wildcard Rini Nakamore versus Ricky Simone.

Damn. That is, that's a step up. I'm still worried about Rineya. I know he looked awesome against Nathan Fletcher, but he should have been like a probably a minus 1,000 favorite in that fight with respect to Nathan. I'm with the, I can't remember if you said it, and I'm sure I'm sure Jed mentioned the post-fight show that like,

I know Jed is super high on him, but we are concerned about the falling in love with the stand-up, right? Like, this guy's an incredible wrestler. We saw it in his lone loss, right, the Gaffroft fight. It's weird because I remember Jed whined to strangle him during the Gaffrof fight. Like, what is he doing? Why is he's doing? But I guess he's back on now.

I don't know, man. I'm still worried. Jed is fully convinced that half of this card is going to fight for UFC belts. Like, Austin Bosch, he's fighting for a belt. Nakamura. I think he picked, like, said four or five guys are fighting for belts. Reviv. Reviv.

It's. Rievich is one of them Carol Hosa I mean just by default honestly like she actually could Tyra obviously Tyra of course yeah

yeah I'm the problem I have with Brie and Rini is I mean because Rennie is incredibly talented like this guy is so talented I think he has it too I think there's a it factor there too I see so much star power

like I see actual star power here's the problem I think he is going to to lose. I don't know if he has that dog in a, okay. And we saw it in the Gafferath fight.

Like when the going gets tough and he doesn't just roll over somebody and like does it without breaking a sweat, man might struggle a little bit. Like if he fights like a Rob Font someday and he just can't get Rob out of there, like he might struggle in a fight like that. Like there is he might just struggle. So I have to wait and see before I'm ready to jump on there The foundation is tremendous

But if you if you if you can't win those wars of attrition You're not gonna go You're not gonna win a Banimoy title It's just it's just not gonna happen Yeah So I think I do like Rania a lot I think that's why we're so high on Tyra right It's because like even though he lost a Royval fight

He was not like overwhelmed He was like, oh, okay, oh, this one of these fights? He's like, let's go. Let's go. It was like when Song-Yadong, it was like when Song-Yodong fought Corey Sanhagan. Like, Cori-Sanagan beat that ass. Yep. But it was like one of those fights where it's just like, all right, song is like, he's game.

And he hung in there and he had moments. So it's nice when that happens. So. But let's see. They book Rindia versus Samoan and he wins like a 29, 28 hard fought decision that I'm just like, all right, that would prove more. to me than him just wrecking Nathan Fletcher who let's be honest probably shouldn't be in the U.S. But

that's neither here to her there. That's but it is 20, it's 2025 and if you just express interest in the contender series you will make your way on to the officer. Left lane. Tira he wants to rebook Tira versus Albazzi. I kind of think that ship has sailed

unfortunately for a mere so I'm not all that interested in it. Park versus Brito Silva, Duncan versus Klein because that slaps. Jetsky versus Dober because that slaps, Reavits versus Ignacio, because that slaps, lightweight in general slaps. True that. Magni versus Vicente Lucke, aka, don't know how that's never happened.

Also not necessarily, quote, unquote, age-appropriate matchmaking, but feels right for where they're both at. I can't hear you. There we go. There we go. I was, I'm muting multiple things. Yeah, as soon as you said, I had to look up. May 8.

Oh, so Magni, I'm just straight from Wikipedia, was going to fight Zelaski, ironically enough. May 2019, Zelisky said that fight was actually never going to happen, so it didn't. And then Magni was going to face Lucke instead. Magny pulled out with, after testing positive for a dihydroxy, something, something, something drug. I don't remember this at all.

But yes, it is strange they haven't crossed past. Apparently they were briefly, briefly, briefly sort of set to be matched up. I don't know if contracts were signed or anything like that. But yeah, obviously they've been in the same orbit for some time. So, yeah, it would be nice to see. Okay. Vlehos versus the C-Rod-Rod-Andre-Feeley winner next weekend. Don't hate that.

And why I don't hate that in throwing him in with C-Rod is Vle-host already has a loss on this record. So the danger is avoided a little bit. Nakamura versus DeMond Blackshier. I actually think this is a terrific fight. good. I think it's terrific fight because I actually think there's a potential that both of these guys, as talented as they are, might have actually the same issue, which will hold them back, potentially from making a big run in this division, both are incredibly talented guys. Fiera versus Bo Nickel, not trying to get a point here. That's just what I want next.

I actually don't hate that idea. I don't know if I like it for either guy right now. I do think it was a sensile match in the future. I feel like it's been proposed by people on the show before. Not by me. I do feel like people have asked for it. Not yet. Not yet. Much like the Torres-Fini matchup, I want it. I think just not

yet. Okay. We can kind of cool off on it. Pulaia versus the Reese Dumas winner. Bashi versus Ricardo Hamos. Estevan versus Durdon. Last chance to make wait. And then he sends the message, have fun matchmaking next week's card. Challenge accepted, bro.

The Conlan has been cast. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Sorry, I'm just doing some tweaking around the M.Afighting.com. By the way, this week, people, just to be remember for all you regular listeners and readers,

we've got some like formats, site format changes, some login changes. So make sure you've got all your passwords and what have you figured out. We'll have a post. I think we have a post up already, guys, MAPFighting.com that will guide you through the experience. Yes, it is on our front page, guys.

Do not be alarmed. Do not be alarmed if you wake up Tuesday, and you're like, why can't I get in? You know, again, we'll have the information available, and you can check now. I would say maybe just do a little bit of reading ahead of time, just in case. All right, guys, let's go to our emails first. Tristan Gordet, I don't think any of these matchups have been mentioned before.

Andre Pulaev, Ryan Loder, Rinyanakamura, Chang-ho-Lee, Hiong-Sung Park, Matt Schnell. Matt Schnell. He is still in the UFC, correct? He won his last fight. he did Jimmy Flick

oh my gosh how could I forget how could I forget and Hadolfo Biada Dustin Stolzvus Yes let us please let I'm trying to veer Viera away from his middleweighty

middleweight destiny I want him to go back however However Mike when I say When I say Hadolfo Vietta versus Dustin Stolzvus Does that does that make your ears flicker a little bit?

No. They fought already in July of 2021. I knew that sounded familiar. Who won that fight? Biares submitted him. So Tristan, no two. And he didn't put it to. Oh, no.

I'm sorry. Tristan is typically on the ball with these things. So I'm not sure what happened to Tristan. But that is a little bit of doo-do, my friend. They have fought already. And it was not like, this was a, it's a rinsing, wasn't it? I don't know.

I went to the third round. Maybe I don't remember this fight. I went to the third round, but I thought this was a dominance Veda win. So I'll have to, maybe I have to go back and watch that one. So maybe it is worth running back, Tristan, I don't know,

but let's remember that is a two. That would be a rematch. And Hidalful won the first fight. Lucas Cortest says they were excited for the main card. It far exceeded expectations. I'm sure. I'm glad. I'm glad people were,

were thrilled with the main card. Again, I don't think it exceeded our expectations might because we thought the top three fights were all bangers. but Chris Duncan, Bahamundez. Bahamandes lost his first fight after getting a ranking. Makes sense for him to fight someone outside of the top of Dean. Sure. There's Revis, Michael Johnson.

Brenner, Zell-Huber. They both lost to Reivitz. I think you're seeing a pattern here. Both guys are going to win. Verbezki, Ludovic Klein, yes. Nakamura versus, you guessed it, Victor Henry. This might be a step back for Henry, but I'm not really sure. I think these styles will clash nicely and will lead to great scrambles.

I think Lucas has been matchmaking for Victor Henry like every week or something. So you got to keep that, got to keep that gimmick going. He's going to fight one of these guys. He's going to fight one of these guys, Lucas. On Instagram, we got Gerard Biagin. Hey, what, Tatsuro, Tyra and Manel Cop? Why does this sound so wrong to me? Because it is wrong.

Why? Why does Minel Cop? No. No, no, no, no, no, no. No. Manel Cop should just be waiting for a tell shot? No, you know, I'll have a fight again. man.

Okay. You just got to have to fight again. Why not Tyra? I don't like it either. I'm just, I'm just asking you. I was trying to get your. No,

I think he's going to have to fight backwards, honestly. It's just unfortunate, man. Like, he's just so unlucky, gets hurt and or has to, he just can't get in the cage. Some of his fault, some not.

This division is just, this is maybe the worst division to miss opportunities in right now. you got to fight man like if you are if you sign the dotted line you got to get in there and again injuries happen it is a physically violent sport but you can't be surprised if like six guys jump over you in your absence pants has already fought middle cup so like fresh matchups are going to be at the forefront and if you're just sitting on the sidelines if you're not fighting and tyras out here winning and just making it look easy

he kind of just leapfrogs man out at the moment. I mean, if they make it, I'll certainly watch it. I just don't think they're going to make it. Yeah, I don't like it. But I couldn't quite put my finger on it. I think that's, I think you, it's the CM Punk versus Goonther at SummerSlam.

You just watch, you just watch, you just watch, I should see Munk and Guter. No, because like, it was like, C.m Punk and Guethe was like,

was a good match. Yep. But like in my eyes, I was just like, I can't figure out why I, this isn't better. You know what I mean? It was just like some undescribable reason.

why it was like a three and a half star kind of a match to me, but like it probably should have been like a four in change match. And I don't know why I don't know why I couldn't get there. That's how I feel about Menalcott versus Tetsu Roetira. That's fair. Gerard is with me on Estabar Rivitz, Mike Davis. Oh no, I said Chris Duncan, Mike Davis. Okay, I like Esteban Reeves and Mike Davis as well.

And Neil Magny, Kevin Hall. I totally support it. Sure. Rindya Nakamura Cody Gibson. Yeah. Sure. Those are the right guys. Yeah, the right veterans. Tino Alvarez, what are we got? Estevam and Almebayev. I could see them making that happen. I'm more with the bike's idea. We kind of move them up.

Oh, I don't like this. Bashi and Isaac Delgarian. Keep my part. No. Keep my part. Keep my part. Yeah. Not right not. Not right now. Man, another Neil Mangany, Chris Curtis, my best friend, you are on to something. You are, I think the tea leaves are forming to make this matchup finally happen. Chris Duncan versus winner of Hooper and Alexander Hernandez

Tesoro Tyra versus Brandon Moreno. We go to the Twitter machine. Let's close out here, guys. DGB. Thank you for the picks, DGB. Magni Dalby. I saw a few people mention this one. Another tire versus cop.

I don't know, guys. Speezy. We had a night of wars and some impressive performances. Fun night for the apex. I'm cooking with these matchups tonight. Well, we'll be the judge of that. Tarra versus Moreno. Again, yeah, I'm not against it.

What else we got here? Anything new? Yeah, Hosea versus Culviconte. It's automatic at this point. Vallejos Brito, Mike. Velo's Brito. All right. All right.

Let's do it. Let's do it. Oh, I don't know. Adolfo, Vietta. Sorry, I just, I'm so sorry. The sound effect alone. I was like, oh, it's a Vierra pair. I don't know.

Yeah. Adolfo Vietta. Oh, man. Sir, Abdul Malik. Oh, guys, I don't know yet, man. I don't know. I don't know, man. I could get so ugly.

We don't know. I just don't know. It's too soon. Hadova Vair, if you are outside the top, like, 30 at middleweight, Hadova Vare is like the last person you want to fight right now. There's just so many ways that I could go wrong, either you getting submitted or you being drawn into, like, a horrible fight. There's just no upside to it.

If you beat him, it's like, I don't know if his name has that much cachet. So don't. I love Hidalpha Veda, but I also love Torres-Fini and a lot of the weirdos at middleweight. So don't trust me. Mansor's got to fight Cody Brandage again. Like we have to, we have to settle this, this beef.

Because it's got, oh yeah. Got overturned to a no contest. Yeah. Like, let's just, let's just run it back. Yeah.

Bashi and, I don't know why I'm pronouncing Bashi's name is such a weird way. Austin Bashi, uh, Melsik, Melsik, Bogdasarian. I like that.

No? That's tough, man. It is tough. It is a tough fight. Very tough fight. Austin and I would build up very slowly at this point. But I mean,

that's just me. He beat probably the worst fighter in that entire division yesterday. Let's just keep doing that for a little bit. But look, I don't, look, if they do it, I'll watch, but there's no rush with Asimbashi at all, like very, no rush at all.

True. Estabam Ochoa, Pierre Rodriguez, and Jasmine Hadeghi. No pick for, no pick for Ketland Sousa this week, eh? Four corner sports. Tyra Kai Kar-Franse, sure, we like that. Some we've read already here.

Rebetsky, Tiago Moises, I love it. Carol Hosa. Oh, no, no, no. No. Boy. No. Hold on. Rebetschki versus Tiago Moises.

Rebetsky's going to have to fight two of his like ATT teammates back to back? That's tough, man. Hey, hey, they should stop having such a good, big team. all right it's their fault that these things are happening it's just too many good fighters under that under that roof yeah carolosa versus irene ferres four corner sports what the what are we doing come on man he's doing this on purpose he's doing this on purpose

he's doing this on purpose this one there reaction out four corners sports just who did who did she fight before cornole okay that's it i'm not even gonna that's it that's i'm gonna say who did who did carolosa fight before cornole come on man come on that's like that's like a comments are going on a post fight show after an apex card and telling Jed that 10-8s don't matter. Yeah, it's just, it's just poking the bear at this point.

Picks by F. Rod, nothing crazy new here. Jansung Park, Nassimento, Al-Nasemento, sure. He likes Chris Duncan, Matt Favola. There we go. Rebetsky and Terrence McKinney. God, there's so many good fights for Terrence. Is Terrence not booked? I always think Terrence is booked.

I just assume he's fighting like all the time. He just fought. Dude, that might actually be the right pick for Revelo. But that's so fun. Rebeski ain't fighting for a while, man. His face. If he doesn't fight on the Abu Dhabi paper view, then we probably won't see him for the rest of the year.

I can't wait till a few of years for now. We compare Rebetsky's face to like how it looked before the UFC to how it looks when he's like his UFC run is done. He will not look like the same person. His face has been mangled like twice already. Let me move on here. KD. Goat. KD. Goat.

Magni versus Oralbae, as Oralai's first fight was at Welterweight. I doubt that Yorosukee is oral by a lightweight fight again. Right, we had some weight management issues. Yeah, I agree. I think Orrbai is going to move up. But I feel like Magni is almost like a reward of a fight, so I don't crazy about it. Verretzky versus Zell Huber. Oh, I don't like this, Mike.

Tyra versus Erseg after he beats, he's picking Ersek to beat O'Day Osborne. What? I don't know. Guys, I don't know. I don't see it. Mike, is there, no? At best, that's just a stay busy fight. Yeah, I don't see it.

Like, look, Vincenzo is not a bad fighter. No, no, no, no. He gave pants one of the toughest fights in a really long time. He got dusted by Kai Kair, France, and again, that doesn't, and then he lost a berated. Two to last three in a row. Like, if he beats O'Day, like, O'Day is a fun fighter, but, O'Day's like the it's probably a top 30 guy really if we're if we're being honest with

ourselves so that's a big step back for Tyra I think with the momentum he has but whatever. Not to get ahead of ourselves. Can you imagine O'Day wins this next week right? Yeah. Man I can't I doubt. That's a co-main event for next week I think I like O'Day I never thought he'd find himself up against I guess I don't know I know he's not in our rankings anymore I'm pretty sure Erseg is ranked still in the UFC. Let me just a quick glance here. He is number 10.

He is number, the number 10 ranked flyweight by the UFC. Wow. Okay. Damn, O'Day. If O'Day pulls up an upset here, this will be one of the stranger stories of 2025. Again, I know it's supposed to be Park, and that's the only reason O'Day is getting this opportunity. But that is, I'm kind of rooting for him. He's got a huge underdog, but I'm kind of rooting for him.

Chris Duncan versus winner of King Green and Diego Fana. Marcus McGehee, calling this the Stevie. Ribs edition. Wait, why is this a Stevie Ribs edition? What am I doing? Oh, because there's two body kick knockouts. Tyra Albazzi. Nah, guys, no, Marcus, no.

We don't want this. Magni versus Salakov, very age-appropriate. Nakamura versus Raubo Roses Jr. And he put in parentheses, because I'm evil. Because he wants to see, he wants to see the young guys just kill each other. Steevy Ribs is terrific, by the way. What is the rep? Ashton Riemovich.

Stevie Ribs. Oh, geez. Okay. Oh, right. Esteban. Esteban, Stephen. Okay. Okay.

So I thought it was because of the body shots. But maybe it's both. Also, the body shot chaos. We had two. Pulaya versus Manso-Abule Malik. Bashi versus Del Valle. Piazza versus Gomez. Okay.

P.S. I love me some Esteban. Reber bits. Yeah, Stevie Rib. Steve Rib is not bad, Marcus. That's, Mike, we might have to keep this. Yeah. With this and hashtag, Justice for Budai, I think we might be able to get going.

I haven't forgotten. I'll be carrying this Kimicon for at least six more podcasts. And lastly, Barry O'Reilly. Our Celtic boys are back today. That's right, Barry. By the time you listen to this, our boys will probably put together a commanding season opening wins. So Pierre Rieges Jekyllini Amorim,

Rapha Estevan versus Haunni Barcelos. Mike, he agrees. Guys got to move up. Let's move down here. Oh, shit. This hasn't happened yet. Hadolfo Villera. You know every time I have some weird reaction.

It's because it's a Hodulfa Verber. You're right. Him and Gerald. How about him a mirror shirt? I would love that fight. Do they train together? What are you going to make you a face? I'm pretty sure this is doo-doo.

Are they buddies? No, I think. Gerald booked. Oh, he might be. He's booked. He's booked at E. 319. That's okay.

I didn't even look at that. Hell Olegs-Chek and like my favorite fight on the entire card outside of the side. Oh, I'm sorry. I just sorry. Barry did say win or lose. Sorry, there is a winner-loose. Oh, okay. Barry does not necessarily miss it.

I'm sorry. Barry, that was my fault. I missed that part. And I just got so excited at the possibility of seeing it that I didn't, I didn't even check. That, God, that might be right. I see, Rinyanakamura versus Javid Basharat. I love the matchup. Probably not where they go next, but I do love it. He's with me, Vallejos and Padilla.

It's a fantastic matchup. Neil Magny, Austin Vanderford. Oh. That would be so random. Um, not impossible, but just like, I hadn't, if you had said pick 10, like, if I had gone 10D with my next fights for Neil Magnet, I don't think I would have landed on Austin. And it's not crazy. I just would not have hit it.

Okay. Carol Hosa, Macy Chiazzan, somehow not a two. They were booked a fight at one point shortly. Probably like seven times. She has replaced, I'm just looking at, she has replaced Macy twice. That's why. No wonder I'm confused Let's go to the top here

Duncan Ignacio Bahamondis Tatsuro Tyra, Brandon Moreno All right, one more for the Marinole no pile I'll just reburized his explanation Last time he fought Brandon He fought a Brandon It didn't go too well But we saw how he bounced back

So willing to give him another elite challenge While Moreno is still a bit away from another title fight Thanks for all the great content Looking forward to the podcast Thank you Barry Thank you everyone He's sent in fix You can certainly look forward to more podcasts

We will be in audio form again next week, Mike, as we once again. We once again have a UFC Apex event. Guys, you can send your picks to me and my DMs at Alexander K.K. Lee on Twitter, at Alexander KK Lee on Instagram, alex.ly at sbnation.com.

If you want to hit me up, email style. So, Mike, where can they reach you? M underscore HECJR is a fine place to do it. We might have a, like, we might change it a little bit with MAAfighting.com, like 3.0. Maybe we'll have like a little form. where you could just submit your picks through the website. It's so cool.

I think that would be like a fun, easy way to do it. But boy, UFC Vegas 109. Buckle your seatbelts, everybody. Main event, some stakes here. Anthony Hernandez versus Roman DeLise. Co-made event, the aforementioned Vincenzo Siggs. Steve Versaig versus O'Day-Osborne. Ranked straw weight action.

Yasmin Lucinda versus Angela Hill. that's the featured boat. Andre Feely versus Christian Rodriguez, Miles Johns versus John Matsumoto. And the main card opens with Eric Anders versus Christian Leroy Duncan. Dude, that could get real middle-weighty, real fast. So be prepared.

Feature prelim, Julius Walker versus Hafeel Cirqueira. Do you care? Don't look at it, AK. Do you care to guess what the betting odds are for that fight right now? Julius Walker and Hafeel Sequeira. Yep. Oh, my gosh.

I am all over the place. I assume Secuette is the favorite? Let me just check real quick. Right? I mean, I know Walker didn't like him. Well, Walker's coming off what? Only potatoes. Julius Walker minus 620 right now.

What? Okay, so what happened? He fought Menafield, right? His UFC debut. One fight of the night. One fight of the night. He was like, okay. Maybe the worst fight of the night.

notice awarded fight in the history of the UFC. Minus 620. Even if you like Julius, well, like, and I think Julius Walker is like, it's not bad. What is, what is wrong with the half-fail Sakeda? Like, why is he got knocked out in the first round, two fights in a row. I see. Oh, this man does not go past the first round.

Just like his entire record. He just, it is, it is go in. It's 20, though. That's wild. I might just have to take a shot. because, like, you know, Julius Walker is a hard worker. He's a fun follow on social media. Yeah, definitely.

He's a motivating guy. But my, 620 is freaking bananas. What? That is the thing that is happening. And like, Sukhanna got knocked out by, like, I know evil Alaslan taking a lot of shit for the, uh, the Elecona fight. I get it. But I don't think, like, Alesson's actually that bad. I think that's just like a horrible matchup.

Um, and Bukascus is good. He lost to Modestim, he's got, like, he's good. So it's not like Walker's getting, it's not like a, uh, Sikyat is getting smoked by nobody's. This is strange. Um, yeah, I don't know. Again, don't bet on M.A. I'd love, I'll have to check him with Jed later this week after he's done his

no bets barred research. But I would think, uh, underdog bet on Sikia at around plus 450 is like, it's not the worst thing in the way. And Sikita by knockout, I mean, I'm just saying. That's true. You're probably going like maybe plus 600 on that. Maybe you're higher. I don't bet on M.A.

Yeah. Don't bet on M. That's why. Elijah Smith versus Toshioomi, Kazama. Nice. Banimweight, women's Bannemweight, AK, Jocelyn Edwards versus Priscilla, Kituera. You might actually be able to take the under here. Oh, okay.

You might actually get a women's 135 finish here. Maybe, maybe. I don't know. I want to see what the number is when I, later this week, when the number comes out for that under, under, like, fight to, I don't know. I'm trying to think of how fan dual phrases. They don't only do the half rounds thing. do like to under two and a half under two and a half like maybe just doesn't go the distance i think that's many plus because that's many plus money that's me plus money yes uh euros medich

versus gilbert urbina is a fight that is also happening at the world's most famous apex and okay i was today years old when i found out that julius stolia ranco is still on the ufc roster i had no idea that she was still on the roster but she is opening up things uh against gabriela fernando does UFC Vegas 109. I weirdly like Julia Stoliarenko a lot again, Ultimate Fighter. You know, this is if you're on the Ultimate Fighter, obviously

I have great affection for you. She's 11, 8, and 2. She's won two of her last six fights. She hasn't fought in a long time, February 2024. You know what, Julia and your team, whatever you guys are doing to keep her on the roster and getting her UFC

paychecks. That's why I forgot she's on the roster. It's been a long time. We have not seen here on our screens in a long time. Gabriela Fernandez. Yes. I mean, just, just, just look at her UFC resume. Jasmine Jazz DeVizzius, Terissa Bleda, and then she has two bonuses in a row. Did she get fight of the night with Carly Judees and won, and that win has aged

terrifically well. And then she got a performance bonus by upsetting Tong Wang. Yeah, huge upset, huge upsets. One of the biggest in the history of the UFC. Actually, yes. Numbers wise, yeah. So that is UFC Vegas 109. Thank you very much, everybody.

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