MMA Fighting - PRIME Card Post-Fight Show: Reaction To Logan Paul Embarassing Dillon Danis, Tommy Fury Edging KSI

Episode Date: October 15, 2023

Misfits Boxing's Prime Card was everything it was supposed to be. MMA Fighting's Shaheen Al-Shatti, Eric Jackman, Jed Meshew, and E. Casey Leydon react to whatever the heck happened in Logan Paul vs. Dillon Danis, Tommy Fury eking out a win over KSI, and much more from a bizarre Saturday night in Manchester. Follow Shaheen Al-Shatti: @shaunalshatti Follow Eric Jackman: @NewYorkRic Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Subscribe to MMA Fighting Check out our full video catalog Like MMA Fighting on Facebook Follow on Twitter Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We did not win today. What is up, everyone? My name is Sean O'Shti. This is the MAFightinging post-fight show with the prime card over there in Manchester. Excuse me. Joining me are my good friends. Jedmishu.

Just having the time of his life over there. I'm bringing positive energy to this show. Y'all can be Debbie Downers all you want. But look, we just had some things happen that was undeniably interesting, and I'm not going to, I'm not going to poo-poo everybody. Let's have a good time.

And of course, the number one Tommy Fury fan in the whole world, the number one Tommy Fury fan, I know. Eric Jackman, Mr. New York, Rick. Nobody a bigger fan of Tommy Fury than me. The charisma, the fighting skills. It's all there.

Count me in. If Tommy Fury has one fan, you're looking at them right here. This is the guy. It's just a great night in the Jackman household right now. And of course, our legendary producer, the undefeated, E. Casey, who when are we going to see you on one of these cards, Casey? I think we're missing a real opportunity here.

And you're muted. Give me a call, Mr. Misfit boxing. I will answer that phone and sign that contract. I'm ready. I'll take, oh, I'll be. Yeah, I'm ready. Do it. Oh, not you.

They can't be cowards. Get Casey involved. All right, fellas. Let's just dive into it because some stuff happened. Ostensibly some fights happened. You know, they were things that... Some fights did happen.

Kind of, yeah, kind of. We'll start at the main event. I don't know that we need to go too deep into this, but Tommy Fury takes a majority decision over KSI. Kind of a bizarre fight, a really fitting end to what was a pretty bizarre night. KSI seemed pretty upset about the score afterwards. Ultimately, it was fairly disappointing showing from Tommy Fury considering, at least I thought,

but I'll throw it to you over there first, Eric. What did you think about this fight? How'd you have it scored? Overall thoughts. Yeah, I had the score that we ended up at. Like, by the third round, Tommy Fury was doing slightly more. I'm not going to say like doing significantly more, but by the third round, Tommy Fury, excuse me, was just doing more than KSI. and the point deduction is what made this closer on the cards. But ultimately, I'm not sure what KSI's argument would be for having won that fight. He really didn't do anything once the third round hit. And then as far as like rating performances, like they both stink.

Like I don't know how much more to say than that. Like I don't know how to go more than that. Like they just both stink or not very good. Tommy Fury should try to go do some real boxing like you want. he says he wants to do and ultimately like probably not go very far. He's just not Tyson. Hell, he might not even be John at this point. Like I think John and we saw some Twitter action,

I think John could have put on a better performance. He's not very good. He's good enough to just be YouTubers. And I think KSI kind of pointed that out as like a feather in his cap. He's like, you're the boxer. You're supposed to be able to mop me up and you could barely do it. But he did just enough in my opinion. And thankfully, we really probably won't have to suffer through that again.

What about you, Jed? you were on the live blog here for MMA fighting. How'd you score that? What are your takeaways from what you watched? I had it at 57-56. I'm not married to that scorecard at all. I thought we were going to get a KSI win because I thought that the judges would have given him another round

and then it essentially would have been three to three, but he got the bonus for the point deduction from Tommy Fury. Ultimately, the judges ended up going with me, 4-2. Point deduction doesn't matter. I think that's right. I don't care. Look, it wasn't a good fight, but like, I don't think anyone should have expected that.

I don't think anyone was expecting that. I think the fans there maybe got a little unhappy with how that fight broke down. But, like, this is, I've said this before at other sort of influencer boxing things. This is part and parcel the whole deal. And it's not their fault. Like, this is just what bad boxing looks like. Have you ever watched bad boxing? It looks exactly like this.

It's either going to be one dude knows a little something, the other dude does it, and so that guy gets a lamp like KSI versus his people who these fault that are terrible or whatever, or two guys maybe know something, and then it just devolves into a clinch fest because they don't have the footwork. They don't have sort of a depth of skill to create offense in meaningful ways, and they just sort of collide, and then they hold each other and they punch and they feel like they're doing something, and the rough breaks and we rinse and repeat. And that's what this fight was. We could get more into it.

I'm very happy too. I thought Tommy Fury fought like an idiot. And that did not serve him very well because look, like coming into the Tommy Fury Jake Paul fight in the lead up to this fight, I put the wonderful Damon Martin on blast because Damon Martin convinced me that Tommy Fury is trash. And so that I picked Jake Paul despite all of the evidence in my head saying that Jake Paul was going to lose to Tommy Fury. But Damon convinced me. He's like, no, Tommy Fury is an awful boxer. Damon's half right. He is an awful boxer, but so is everybody else, and he is at least a boxer and has some

fundamental principles. And against Jake Paul, we saw that. He, like, fought a disciplined fight where he sat behind a jab, didn't get out over his skis, and just won through activity and being, like, semi-competent at this. For the first three rounds, really the first two and then sporadically for the rest of the fight, he just fought like an imbecile. and KSI was able to win early rounds by doing stuff and Tommy Fury was kind of walking into it

because he just got, I don't know, up in his fields or whatever it was and then they got reckless. If he had decided to be smarter, I think this fight would have been equally as boring, but he would have won pretty more clearly because we did see that sort of unfold the back four rounds, fought with a little bit more discipline. He still couldn't get the jab going.

KSI at least was schooled enough to prevent that from really being a weapon, but this is how this fight was always going to look unless it was going to be KSI is really, really bad, and Tommy catches him. But Tommy doesn't even seem to have knockout power, so like you can't even really catch him. This just is what it was. Wasn't great. Probably shouldn't have closed the show, but, you know, here it was. I think the part that's interesting is the post fight. Do we want to get into that?

Because that was weird as hell. Let's talk about it. give me your thoughts KSI certainly had a lot KSI is very confused about what the hell is going on I mean he can appeal it won't go anywhere whatever like maybe he should

maybe he shouldn't have won the fight I truly don't care there's no like he there wasn't a robbery the fight was just simply close KSI's comments were hilarious to me as he immediately cries robbery and Tommy Fury doesn't respond very well

and all of his things are look at me I didn't get you didn't hit me. My face is clean. Okay. Was Tommy Fury face busted up? You didn't hit him either. Tommy Fury was like, I pushed the pace. Yeah, but you didn't land anything. And then you were clinching me a bunch. KS.S.I. You didn't land anything either. He, it feels like KSI misunderstands the difference between winning the moral victory, which I think undeniably KSI is the moral victor of this bout, right? He is a YouTuber, whereas Tommy Fury is ostensibly a professional boxer of some merit or whatever. And that fight was very, very close.

KSI wins the moral victory. But KSI seems to believe that the moral victory also should translate to extra points on the scorecards. Like, you didn't do anything either. And then he just got really upset. And I'm not even sure. Like, I'm not sure why. I'm not sure why they were so confident they won that fight when it was like very close. not to and this is a me thing and maybe y'all won't agree if he won that fight he won it three to

three and he won it for a point deduction which is like about the softest shit you can win a fight on he didn't win it from a knockdown he if he won it he won it because the ref took a point i'm not entirely sure i care about the ref taking the point because this is a farcical event So who gives a shit that they're hitting each other in the back of the head? I also have an issue with the fact that all they did was hold each other for most of the fight. So, like, if you win, it is, it's by the barest of margins. And maybe you shouldn't be trumpeting that as some, like, grand statement of your superiority. Like, it was a close fight.

You should have been aware that that fight was up for grabs. And you should just be taking the moral high ground of, dude, I do this as a side project. I do 800 other things. do this. This is the only thing you do and you couldn't even definitively beat me. And instead, he got like actually upset about it. And that scene, that was just a miss for me. And then Tommy Fury's whole post fight was weird. But I feel like I've been talking a lot and I don't want to continue to take up screen time. You're also selling Tommy Fury short. Don't say that all he does is boxing because poorly boxing. He also is a reality star who lacks charisma as well in his other time. You did love Island like four years ago.

He did love Island like four years ago unless he has another. But now he's got like more stuff. Now he. Yeah, there's more. There's more. Like the Furies have a reality show. Reverse.

Yeah. Yeah. The theories have a reality show. Having a reality show is pretty weak. Like they just follow you around and you do whatever you do. It's fine. How dare you? Don't disrespect.

KSI like KSI actually like runs a business that's arguably pretty terrible, but whatever and is, you know, does his videos and is in a music group. Like he objectively does stuff and boxing is a side project. So you take that more high ground, baby. You don't understand how hard it is to be as pretty as Tommy Fury. Like I have a semblance of that. Like I understand that to a certain degree, but I'm not even, I'm not at that level yet. But it's just difficult, man.

Like you, like you don't even know the struggles. You don't even understand. You need to hit the rubber and get like a really like really almost plastered on haircut that just looks impossible to move. with like a blow toll. His hair really is like magic, isn't it? It's like a very specific like illusion. I'm extremely jealous. Yeah, I'm extremely jealous of it.

Look, Eric, I said this in the thing. If Tommy Fury could fight at all, that may be a hundred million dollar boxer. Because it's very pretty and he has a very famous last name. And those two things alone have made him millions of dollars. And good God, if he could box a lick, he could be like a poor, hands Joshua and still make a hundred million dollars i agree that being said i have i i wrote this in

our slack during the fight i have to give tommy fury immense kudos and credit for completely and utterly maximizing his abilities as an objectively bad boxer and just an objectively boring person into somehow being uh this superstar of the influencer boxing seat it makes very little sense to me that how he reached this position but then again eric well Well, Eric, I know how he reached this musician. His last name is Fury and his brother is the heavyweight champion in the world and possibly the best heavyweight of all time. And he fell into it.

Can I, can we not like, we don't have to call him boring because I'm not sure the man's boring. I'm not, he is not like, he is not like a captivating, interesting human being or whatever. He's not, he doesn't have the it factor. But it just seems like a normal dude. That doesn't make him boring. It just means he's not KSI or whatever, which is arguably a good thing. Like, he just seemed fine. His post-fight speech, other than the part where he directly contradicted himself about what comes next, was like, a pretty good line.

You know, I never, I'm never going to be Tyson Fury. I'm just trying to be the best fury I can be. It's like, that's like a legitimate statement to make. He's a fine dude. And I just don't want us to drag him down into like, this guy's boring and sucks. He's bad at boxing. and that's that's his flaw. I'm glad you mentioned the post-fight thing

because I was really confused about that and I'm not, I didn't have it had a chance to re-watch or re-listen to the interview, so I'm not sure if I heard what I thought I heard, but so anybody, anybody out here correct me, did Tommy Fury essentially say, I'm done with this, I'm done with influencer boxing,

I'm done with all of this, I'm moving on to real boxing, and then say, oh yeah, I'll fight the Paul brothers, any Paul brother can get it. Is that what just happened? Correct. Yeah, that's accurate. I believe what he,

I believe what he was trying to say, and, you know, give me a little bit of rope here. But it sounded to me like I'm not going to fight any other people because I'm bad. And I don't want to lose the golden goose. But the Paul brothers are monetarily worth it. So I'll fight them. Like that's what that felt like. So business as usual. Business as usual.

Yeah. Eric, I want to turn to you really. I'm not going to go fight Slim. You know, that's not going to happen. Slim might beat him. Let's be honest. Eric, I want to turn to you because we can move on from this fight fairly quickly after this. Yes, please.

Get your thoughts on this post-fight scene, sort of the comments from KSI, him very clearly thinking he won. And also just maybe this is a loaded question to ask you considering I know your stance on Tommy Fury as a whole. But do you think more or less of Tommy Fury's potential as an actual professional boxer after what you just watched tonight? No different. Zero has changed. That's exactly how bad I thought Tommy Fury was. And I still think exactly the same way. So I was swayed in no way by this.

As far as the post-fight stuff and KSI stance on it, to me, this feels like KSI in real time coming to the realization that like, losing these fights sucks. And like he's been very lucky to have not lost. fights previously. And I think he might be thinking that the earning potential on some of this is going away. I think with, you know, Jake Paul having lost to Tommy Fury and him having lost to Tommy Fury, like it definitely diminishes the fight that he had set out to get when he initially came

back to this boxing space. It was supposed to be him on a run and it was supposed to be Jake Paul on a run. And now they've both suffered defeat and kind of the luster is a little bit off it. I think he was realizing in that moment in real time that like it kind of depended on him winning here to a certain degree. Now, don't get me wrong. I think if they're able to run KSI versus Jake Paul, there will certainly be a number of people tuning in.

But over the last yearish and change, it has been diminished in my opinion. And introducing Tommy Fury into this equation was probably like not a great idea because as we've kind of found out and stated on this show, like he's just good enough to beat influencer boxer boxers, which is not very good in the boxing world, but not great for the business of influencer boxing if the one guy who's actually a boxer comes in here and kind of just beats everybody. So I think KSI is having to deal with the loss, having to deal with the idea that like the earning potential of some of these fights is going to be dinged, having to deal with the idea that like Tommy Fury is definitely not going to give him a rematch. Why? Why would he?

What is the point of that? So he's going to have to eat that. And just a lot of emotions all at once. There's certainly no rational thought to the idea like that was a robbery because I think he probably knows that was not a very good fight. In fact, I think he said he won, one, two, and three, which would mean that he thinks that it was a draw where he then won based on the point deduction. So I don't think he thinks it was a great fight for him. But I do think it was it was the business of everything kind of weighing on him. And rightfully so. Oh, you sweet summer child. You ascribed a whole lot of depth of thought to a situation, which to me seems pretty clearly,

he got caught up in his own hype. He believed that he can box or whatever and was like, ah, shit, I just lost to a guy who's terrible. Now I'm mad and I don't accept these outcomes. Like, I don't think these things, I don't think any of the other stuff's really true. I don't think that this hurt his earning potential. I don't think this has done a single thing to lessen the inevitable showdown with Jake Paul. you know, I don't even think he won't get a rematch because why shouldn't Tommy Fury give him a rematch? Tommy Fury is in an interesting spot where he can't go box people because he's bad.

Like if he boxes a club level fighter, he's going to get whooped up on and that goes down. Like, this is his avenue and he just needs to keep fighting Jake Paul and KSI and Slim Halber and whoever else he can because these are fights he can win. and they are the ones that are undeniably going to give him the most money. Him running it back with KSI is, that's just good business. Like, he should absolutely do it. If he loses, who gives his shit? Like, he's not going to be good anyway. So it's fine if he loses to him in the long run because maybe he loses that sense of a trilogy.

I think, I think KSI will get that rematch. I think KSI just genuinely thought he could box and believes he won because all people who fight are somewhat delusional. and that came out in a very visceral way in the post fight. And he'll sit down and then he'll go on the MMA hour this week. And he'll be much more measured, but say all the same things in a better way than he kind of outleted there. I don't think Tommy Fury will be in this influencer world anymore. I think, wow.

What do you think Tommy Fury is going to do? Tommy Fury thinks he's a boxer. Tommy Fury thinks he will go possibly make Ethan. remotely comparable money actually fighting the level of boxers that he could beat right now. And more importantly, I agree with you. And more importantly, did you watch Tyson Fury's face? Tyson Fury sitting there and looking like, holy shit, my brother just lost the KSI at the race side.

He just said that. They, the Furies are extremely smart business wise and obviously understand boxing at a very good level. They will sit that young man down and they will explain to him. we love you you are our family we love you please god do not go and try and fight like a real cruiser wait we just nope just keep doing this look at the zeros on this paycheck you're going to make a tenth of this and lose badly to random english heavy weight don't do it they the cooler heads will prevail the business will win out in this and the fury family will not allow him to go take that L in the stupidest way possible.

We can make a friendly wager on it because I'm, there's no, there's no way he sticks around this space. We'll do it. And this dirty little secret. What's the wager? I'm here for it. We have to take it off on because I'm not sure what the steak should be

yet, but the dirty little secret about the Tommy Fury, the whole Tommy Fury experience is actually that John and, and, uh, Tyson didn't think he'd even beat these guys. Like, if you've ever listened to any interview they've said, they don't even think he's going to beat these guys. So I don't think they're just keeping them running him in. here. Yeah, but he will lose to them eventually too. I think I'm I'm very confident. I'm relatively confident that he will try to resume his boxing career in a real in a real way. So yeah,

let's let's make a friendly way. I'm so confident he will get back into the misfits ring at the minimum against Jake Paul, if not also case. Now I'm talking like maybe he comes like the next few fights will be boxing, real boxing for Tommy. If he comes back to take like a Jake Paul fight, I could see that outcome, but I'm talking the next few. I will say maybe one fight is real boxing. I am not even sold on that. Because at some point, Eric, at some point, if he's going to do this, if he's going to go on your plan, you know what is going to happen?

He is going to talk to whoever his manager is. I don't know. As manager is going to come back and be like, all right, Tommy, you're going to fight. His manager is going to come back and be like, all right, Tommy, you're going to fight Joe Westhead at the ballroom that seats 6,000 people max. And we're going to paper the crowd. It's probably going to be 400 people. You're make 10 grand to box this dude.

You'll be the main event and maybe you'll be broadcast on YouTube. And he's going to be like, well, shit, that's way less cool. And then it's going to be like, well, your brother's boxing some other dude in Saudi Arabia after he's done with Alexander who's sick. And he's doing his own bullshit. He's like, you know what, let's run it back with KSI. That seems way cooler. I got a house to pay for. I got a wife.

I got kids. I got a family. And I ain't going to pay for it on 10 grand for. for smokers in Manchester or whatever. No, Tommy, Tommy will just be in a featured bout on Tyson's cart. Like Tyson will help him that way. Put him on the card instead of saying, hey, go continue to do this. There ain't no chance.

There ain't no chance that they're going to dirty up him versus Ussick with his shitty younger half. No, it's not going to be. Catching the midst from somebody else. They ain't going to do it, man. You just said they don't believe in him. They're not going to not believe in him and put him as the, the, the, moose-booshed Tyson.

We'll find out. We'll find out. We'll find out. They might do that for Francis, but that's too soon. He ain't going to turn it around that quick. They definitely ain't doing it for a week. No chance they're doing that for who sick. I did not have a moose bush being mentioned on this pre on this post show.

Well, it's not an appetizer because he'd be so deep on the prelims and it's their moose-bush. I'm super here for it. Every one of the comments, let us know what we should. should what these two should wager on that bed because I'm very much here for that as well. Last thing on this, then we'll move on. Eric, I already know where you stand because you just mentioned it. But Jed, yes or no, one word answer. Tommy Fury, Jake Paul too happens at some point over the next year.

Yes, happens in 2024. I agree with you. That's where I'm at as well. Let's move on because realistically, I mean, we've seen the numbers. We've seen the metrics. We've seen the way that people have talked about this event. this what we just talked about was the co-main event because most everyone that was going to tune into this was paying attention to logan paul versus dylan danais largely because of the lead-up largely because of what dylan danis has said and just how ugly and weird and gross and just this whole thing turned into an absolute circus before it even fought before it even began and then the fight happened uh ostensibly and you know it was something i'm not sure it was a fight dylan danis did not back up his words in any respect.

That was five rounds of very bizarre. I don't know how you would describe it. A lot of clinching, a lot of holding, a lot of defense, not a lot of punching, and a lot of sort of laughing around and messing around in there, not really trying to win the fight. And then in the sixth round, everything just goes out the window.

Dylan Dennis fails on a takedown attempt. He fails on a guillotine attempt. Logan Paul sort of hits him with some grounded pound. The whole thing erupts into a melee, Gordon Ryan's in the ring. Jake Paul's in the ring. It's a DQ loss for Dylan Dennis, who was just getting dominated before that.

He comes out, I think, looking absolutely terrible. I think I've seen multiple headlines with the word embarrass in it, including this particular one on YouTube. Tough scenes. Tough scenes for Dylan Dennis. Jed, what do you make of what you just saw? Well, first shout out to the absolute lunatic. to tick in the comments who is arguing that Tommy Fury is better at boxing better people

because that's not how fist fighting works ever. Love you for that. That's an incredible take. Yeah, Dylan Danes did exactly what I thought he was going to do. Only he waited a little while. I thought I would have bet all the money I owned that Dylan Danes was going to get himself DQed in this fight. I thought it was just going to be in the first round.

He was going to immediately jump a guillotine, do some shenanigans if I was going to get stopped. and he, you know, could have some sort of moral win in his own mind of, see, look, you don't want to do it, whatever. The fact that instead, he just sort of got punted around the ring for five rounds before doing it is classic Dylan Danis in that it was lame and shitty any way you did it. But at least if you do it immediately, there's at least an argument that maybe you could box. Like maybe boxing is something you can do.

We've just still never seen it. And you were trolling this whole time. This was all a gag to you. And this is, ha, ha, here's the joke. Instead, you just got boxed up for five rounds. Not well, Logan Paul is not very good at boxing. But that makes it worse. You just walked aimlessly into punches for 15 minutes and then did it.

So you got the worst of all worlds here. I am desperately hopeful that this means Dylan. the Danes will not be in our lives much longer because I just don't like him very much. He bothers me and I would prefer to have less interactions around him involved in my life. But this was sadly extremely predictable. And I think that's why this was the co-main event because you don't want to end the card on this, even if the way the main event ended maybe still wasn't great. Eric, Dylan spent the last.

What, two months, three months, I'm not sure how long it's been at this point, telling the whole entire world over and over again, I'm the real fighter here. I'm going to do all these terrible things to Logan Paul. He has, he has, it doesn't even begin to understand what this world's really about. And then he went out there and I don't know if he threw 20 punches. I haven't seen the stats, but it was just not a lot. There was no offense coming from him. And then to go out the way that he went out. I mean, what it, what ultimately were your takeaways from what you just saw. Yeah, I mean, to Jed's point, it was a little bit predictable in the sense that like he wasn't

going to look great, right? Like even at his best, Dylan Dennis has not shown to be like a super capable striker. But it seemed like he was less a little bit tentative for lack of a better word. I don't want to call anybody scared. I do think there was a certain element of not wanting to be embarrassed by Logan Paul, right, and open himself up to anything significant. but it was kind of expected in that capacity. And I think we also saw like Logan Paul is not a particularly dangerous boxer, right?

Like of the two Paul brothers, I think it's very clear who's actually dedicated to the boxing and who's more focused on WWE. So yeah, Dylan didn't really take any chances, kind of coasted, was comfortable to hit five rounds. And then, you know, gave into the chaos. and we ultimately got what I think what this fight was billed to be. If you were tuning in for a competitive boxing fight, I don't know if this was the one I would have highlighted to think about. And so it kind of was what we expected. I really don't know what else to say about it.

I think that the drama surrounding it, the hype surrounding it, all culminated exactly in kind of what this was. So you're saying that was the result we deserved. Yeah, we deserve this. And to be honest, I'm happy with it. I'm fine with it. I mean, Jed, we talked about it on the preview show, but the baby face turn that Dillis sort of made,

I don't even know if you could call it a baby face turn, but just whatever swing in popularity and momentum, that man was able to manufacture over the last couple months with the efforts that he put to trolling Logan Paul's fiance say was frankly amazing. It's not something that I saw coming. I didn't think that the world would come around on Dylan and the way that they did. Do you, considering the way this played out, though?

I mean, is this a worst case scenario for Dylan? Do you feel like all that goodwill that he may have built up is gone? Yeah. I have to trust that the people on the ground who are saying these things, you know, aren't, you know, know what they're talking about. I just didn't believe that he was building up goodwill because why? I truly do not know how anyone could look at any interaction Dylan Danes has had in the past four years and come away with a positive view of him.

And I don't say that to be mean. I say that to be entirely factual. That man has had nothing but pretty objectively overt shitty public experiences. In every interaction I have seen him in, in every interview, everything he has done has all been very apparently this guy is not someone that you would want to know or be friends with

or speak to and so I was really, really confused why there seemed to be at least some push towards him particularly because I can get not being into Jake Paul but it's not like Jake Paul

did a whole bunch of super abhorrent stuff on fight week to turn the tides I don't know it was real weird but by the end of that fight they were chanting Logan and there's no

there's no credible way to look at that fight and be like, yeah, Dylan Danes is my dude. Love him. If you are, you're a very special boy, and I hope you have a great time doing whatever you're doing in your life because I truly do not understand how anyone could come away from that fight and be like, I care to see Dylan Dennis do things.

What do you think, Eric? I mean, if we're going to make like a value judgment on Dylan Dennis, yeah, like I don't think the dude's a great guy. but I don't think there's any mistaking that like most people were tuning in for that fight. A lot of it due to Dylan Dennis compared to what was being tuned in for Tommy Fury and KSI. Like that Dylan Dennis and Logan Paul collectively built this card up way better than Tommy Fury and KSI did. And people were tuned in for it. Now, whether you, whether you like how it was promoted or whether you're on board,

with the actual message that's being sent, that's a, that's devoid, that's separated in my opinion from the reality of the situation, which is that Dylan brought a lot of people into this fight. And if you ask me, do I think he would be able to do it again? I do think you'd be able to do it again. In fact, I think if I was a promoter, right, if I was misfits, if I was somebody else, I wouldn't be happy with that fight, no doubt. Like, I'm not, I'm not gung-ho about giving Dylan Dennis another opportunity. But in a situation where I need somebody to drum up attention, and again, like, separate the value of that attention, separate the idea of how that attention is generated, he's proven that he can do it. And I think that there will be opportunities out here for somebody

like him. And we have seen it time and time again that, like, you don't have to be a good person to draw attention in combat sports. That is just not, those two things are not related. Like, you can be horrifically bad people. And in fact, some of the best people, at drawing attention are horrifically bad people in combat sports. And I think Dylan Dannis has proven that he can do that. And I don't think this hurts his stock in that capacity. Now, would I love to put him in my main event after that fight, that becomes a harder thing to swallow and a harder thing to sell?

Eric, do you think you could put him in boxing? Because, like, I agree you can you can make, you could make some head and it might not be boxing, probably, but I genuinely don't think you could put him in a boxing match and expect anything here. Completely agree. Like, boxing is going to be a tougher one because you look at him and you're just like, that dude can't box. And to be honest, like, neither can Logan Paul. So we kind of suffer that at certain times.

But yeah, no, I don't think it would be boxing. I think if I was an MMA promoter or like if I was desperate and misfits needed somebody, maybe. But really, like, I would think that an MMA move would be next for Dennis. Like he tried to box. It looked like shit. He probably got paid decently. Go back to MMA. Try some Jiu-Jitsu things that could be potentially.

interesting. Maybe Gordon Ryan's up to give him an opportunity. And that's where I would go. And I think he does not want that smoke. He does not want that smoke. No, of course not. But again, like, let's be real. Like, he probably doesn't want a box either. Like, he needs some money and he needs to get his name back out there and he needs to fight because that's how he's going to make his money and that's who he's going to get paid. And Gordon Ryan's a name that he's been associated with. Make no mistake. I do not think Dylan Dennis would be competitive with Gordon Ryan at this stage in their careers. But, But yeah, I think there's things out there for him. I really don't believe that like this was the last hurrah of Dylan Dennis.

Eric, let me ask you then because you're the social media wizard. You're the expert. Dylan Dennis is very online. He's very much built. He built this fight through social media. Yes. If you're his assistant, if you're his PR wizard, if you're his social media wizard, what are you telling him right now?

What's the pivot? What's the reaction? How do you react to this while still being able to keep some level of momentum? Oh, you just do what Nate Diaz always does. You just pretend that everything went your way or, you know, if it was a real fight, I would have finished. Like, you just make stuff up. You just completely fabricate the rules of engagement and what happened during the fight and the aftermath of the fight and pretend that this never happened and act as if you won without having actually won anything.

Nate Diaz has proven time and time again that that works, as long as you have enough popularity and fan base and can kind of drum that up. So yeah, that's exactly what I would do. It's just pretend that Logan Paul didn't just horribly box them up. That's fair. That's fair. I bet that's probably the play too.

I wouldn't be surprised. Just build your own reality. And then everyone else, some people will follow it, you know? Jed, were you surprised Connor McGregor wasn't there? A little bit. That's a missed opportunity for him to sow the seeds of something in the future. I mean, you know, he got active on the Twitter. Very comical message about Dylan Dan is doing well, which is objectively funny.

Yeah, I don't know what he was doing, but seems like this is sort of the thing he should have been at. One, because, you know, he loves attention. And two, it would have been pretty easy. You know, his name certainly got invoked at the end of that. And it would have been pretty easy for him to sow potential fights down the line, even though there are fights that we've already thought about and talked about and kind of exist anyway. It's always good to get that face time

to get the screenshot, the face off, get beckoned into the ring. He can stand there look menacing and flex or whatever, you know, on the sideline. So missed opportunity, but he's doing okay in life. He didn't need to be there. That's fair. That's fair. We'll get to viewer questions here in a moment,

but first I just want to ask you, fellas, because we did just watch a lot of this. We watched several hours of this very bad boxing. What was the most fun moment? for y'all in the night. Was there anything that you actually enjoyed, anything that you actually stuck out to you as a good takeaway or like, hey, that was a good performance. Anything at all. Dude, we did a roundtable and I think I wrote this on it. I definitely wrote it. I don't know if we got if I cut it or not. I wasn't super interested in the main two fights in this card because I have

watched a lot of influencer boxing. I would argue that I've watched as much as any person alive because I've covered all of these for us, basically, from day one. We appreciate your service for that, by the way. I'm, I'm into it. I don't hate on the thing, you know, whatever. It's not good, but it can be entertaining. And like one. So where Donna Corby is like, ah, this is my thing. I definitely watch more than that.

He may have, but I've watched all this time. He may have you edged, but yeah, you've watched a lot. But like, and here's the thing. One, I do want to say that this is a great event. Like, you can't take the energy in that crowd came through the screen. That place was fucking electric for it. And like, that's a good vibe, man. Like, that's, they, they are putting.

on a pretty well-run professional product that has drawn interest and good for them. To me, though, I didn't care about the top two fights because I've watched all these guys fight and none of them are very good. And I don't connect to them personally. But the next two fights were the fights I was interested in. The Salt Poppy Slim fight, because I know both of those guys are two of the better boxers in influencer boxing. They're not like good boxers, but they're better in this world.

And Dean the Great, I think, might be the actual best influencer. boxer um we got his own failings but him rematching wilded sharks in a fight that already happened once and was pretty fun when it did happen those are the two fights that's the most interested in on this fight card and both of them can deliver they were fun as hell if you were watching this whole pay per view you dropped your 70 bucks or whatever the like you got your monies for being there and i from the vibe of the through the television the crowd seemed to really enjoy them both because they were sick like they were really fun matchups really fun fights Wholeheartedly

ground that. Those two fights are very fun. I actually enjoyed both those. What about you, Eric? Is there anything that stood out to you, anything you actually liked? I'll be honest.

Like, I liked all of it. Like, and as I said in the preview show, like this is stuff. You didn't like Anthony Taylor. Don't you lie to me and tell me you like David Taylor.

Okay, that was a lot. That was a lot. That's the thing I like the least. I will grant you that. He derailed the salt poppy hype and now, you know, another husband said to Anthony Taylor.

Did the same thing. It's King, Kenny. Buddy, You let Anthony Taylor go hug Tommy Fury for six rounds. He'll do that too. No, well, Tommy jabbed them up a little bit. But, uh, yeah, they were there. I was actually, I was actually at that fight.

Because wasn't that the one, that wasn't that the one in Atlanta? Uh, was that Cleveland, Atlanta. It was one of those. But yeah, um, Tommy, Tommy jabbed them up. But, uh, yeah, don't get me wrong. Like, I'm not a fan of that style. It sounded like maims on the broadcast is not a fan of what Anthony Taylor is, uh, is bringing from a stylistic.

perspective to the fight. But I liked all of it. Like this was just dessert or not even. Like this was like overloading on ice cream to the point where you're sick to your stomach. Like it was just that. It was just the sweets. It was just the sugar.

And you're injecting it straight into the veins. And me as a sweets person, like I like that and I'm into that. I know that this is not high level fighting. Like I enjoyed Slim versus Salt Poppy and I'd never seen Dean the Great really perform. And that was awesome. Like that dude's really fun. But I didn't, like, I wasn't coming in looking for the next great big boxer. Like I wasn't coming into this going like, man, I can't wait to see competitive matchups or like these guys that I'm going to fall in love with as boxing superstars.

I kind of was just like, feed me this shit. I don't care. I don't care how this look. Like this is what I'm here for. The vibe was immaculate. And as Jed said, you could feel the energy in the arena. I knew that that's what this was going to be. So I was perfectly satisfied with what this was.

I was not looking for the next big thing. thing in combat sports or the next big thing in boxing and it delivered on that front. So yeah, I thought it was a success for misfits in that regard. And hopefully, you know, there's lessons learned that they can fine tune this a little bit more. But yeah, I didn't have any like great takeaways because I was kind of just like, I'll roll with whatever this is. I'm in. Let me let me invest and then I'm in.

Well, let's let's bring in the deep great hype wagon. They're on a ton of loss, but it's, dude, he's fun as hell to watch. He got a lot of limitations, but I got watched him fight on one of the KSI cards and was like, oh, this guy's like, he's an athlete, which is it. Like, he moves with precision and speed. And he got a lot of failings, but man, that counter Rice and Dad. Now that the, now that the Salt Papiera is over, maybe Dean the Great can be my new guy, you know? Don't say that. Salt Poppy era.

Lasted less, lasted shorter time than the Machita era, man. Tough times. We'll bring it up to AC here, the undisputed, undefeated.

I will say, fellas, part of me watching this event, it left me a little wistful that we don't have these sort of things for MMA

to this degree, high level versions of it, right? Like, you go back to when we were all younger, you had all the crazy stuff going on from, A1,

pride, Japan, all that kind of stuff. I kind of miss some little, like high level production value thing. Like the fight circus is cool. I want some circus fights in MMA that are like treated like the Super Bowl like this.

Why can't we have that anymore? I can't. You said no, that can't happen, Jed? I just don't think. I just don't think it. I think it has to be fight circus level low. And you just can't go any higher because bad MMA is just really, really bad.

And I think that we get the bad boxing. It's not worse than bad boxing. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. infinitely more fun than bad boxing. I don't agree by the way that this can happen. I think you guys are so incorrect.

We were this close. We were this close to Musk and Zuckerberg card with a lot of other people who don't know how to do MMA underneath. We were this close. On a UFC, on a UFC promotion. I do not believe we were that close. I believe I think we were in a distance

away and everyone made t-shirts. They made. By the way, I've long. Like a t-shirt. I'm not close business reasons, which I understand. I don't think we're at your... Super boxing cliff. I was out in front saying this fight would never happen,

no matter how badly Dana invested, because I just didn't think that Musk wanted to put himself on the line and potentially get embarrassed. But if Musk had agreed to this, they would have been fighting, and we would have seen the MMA version of this 100%. If I had wheels, I'd be wagging. It was close.

It wasn't. Look, just miss it. The thing is if we do this in the memory. I miss Trotten out butter bean out there to get leg locked, all these things. I miss. So that's different and fun. And we could still maybe do something like that. But if you just get YouTubers doing MMA, it's just going to be bad grappling because it's just going to be two dudes holding each other on the ground where a ref doesn't break them up even.

So it's going to be one dude sitting in guard. Like that's just what that is going to be. It's going to be awful. I think it'll happen only from the perspective that like we're seeing like dudes in BKFC trying it. out from influencer perspective. We're seeing like all the other, everything else has been checked off. I assume that MMA will happen in some capacity. Now, will it get the push and the backing and the production of like misfits?

Jed's probably right. Like, there's probably not a lot there because the fights might be pretty boring. Of boring clinching in a main event in a sold out arena. We can handle some bad grappling. This can't be worse. It can't be worse. Also, not for a try. We got to give it a try.

Dylan Dennis versus. Pick a YouTuber 2025. Can we very briefly talk about how dog shit Dylan Dennis' double was? That was the worst part of the fight. That double was garbage. Okay. When you said like the whole Nate Diaz,

Nate Diaz won the fight because he got the guillotine or whatever, Dylan Dennis didn't even get that. Dylan Dennis can't even like fake win the fight. That's how bad. He tried so hard. That's how bad the performance was. That makes it objectively worse, the fact that you tried to do that

and it didn't work. He hit a, he like shot the double that wasn't anticipated and still couldn't finish it and Logan just stepped out of it. Like that was awful. Logan stepped to the camera and said all state wrestler so don't forget that the credentials are there for Logan.

He was just like no. He was just like, no I'm just going to back up because this was trash. I will say too. I just, I badly want Mike Perry to enter this world. I want Mike Perry to fight one of these guys. I don't want it for this world.

He's too good. I don't want to see me. I know that. I'm aware of that. I am aware that he's too good. That's what I want to see. No, Mike Perry belongs in BKFC.

He has found his niche. Just ride that train till the wheels fall off. I'm with you. I want Mike Perry to be the new time of jury. I want him to be the final boss. No. I don't want all these dudes to want to fight Mike Perry.

That is that's the world. No one will ever beat that final boss. No one in this world will ever beat that final boss. Harry Till could headline a minute. a misfits card. I'm okay with that, but I don't want to see, but I don't want to see Perry versus like YouTubers. I really don't. That's just, that's just going to be. I would watch Mike Perry fight Jake Paul and that probably probably doesn't happen at some point. Jake Paul has the most ability to succeed in this realm. I consider Jake Paul the other side. Like I consider him a boxer

more than I consider him the influencer in this space. Like I see him closer to Tommy Fury. He got jabbed up by Tommy Fury. I'm not willing to call him a boxer. I mean, I consider Tommy Fury a boxer, unfortunately, but I mean. I mean, by a technical definition, yes, but I. See, Eric. Maybe I'm a massacist. You don't want to see Mike Perry fight these YouTubers. On the contrary, I want to see him fight all the YouTubers in a row on the same night.

I want to see him fight five YouTubers back to back to back to back and just run it out like that. Like, let's make this a risk. Was it Ryan Garcia that suggested that one? I want to say it was Ryan Garcia. professional boxer responded to this by saying, I will fight whoever it was. Like, I'll fight Kassi and Logan Paul and somebody else. But yeah, it was it was Garcia. I think it was like Dean the Great and a bunch of other guys. Like he said four different guys, give him four rounds a piece and I'll box them all up on the same night. I mean, it would be a great move for him. He would

win. Casey, what are the people saying? What do we hear in? We take a few question. Chat's wild in this whole show. I'm seeing y'all. Rage back and forth. I love it. You guys are bringing the heat and I support y'all so much. This one's coming from Screw You and then like a sun emoji,

which is a real cool like a comment. Screw you, son. What should happen for YouTube boxing to die out? Does Jake getting whooped, K-O'd embarrassed by someone like Mike Perry Tier have a chance of ending it? No, I don't think, I mean, you guys can chime in,

but to me this doesn't feel like this dies out. until it sort of reaches the inevitable end game, which is Jake Paul versus KSI, and then at that point, I don't know where they go. It just peters out like all fats. Like, this is a fad, and it's a lucrative fad that is doing, but it's the same as all fads. Eventually, it will run out of steam because this isn't generating new boxing fans. This isn't generating, this isn't turning, you know, boxing fans into fans of Jake Paul or KSI. Like, this is just sort of a weird thing that is happening. if you like it, that's great.

And certainly a lot of people are interested, but there's no ceiling here for any of these people in the real world of boxing. And there's a pretty finite number of people in the YouTube world who are going to want to do this will run the cycle out and eventually it'll die. And I don't think it will die with KSI Paul. I think that is the fight that will be the start of the end.

And then it will just sort of peter out. They'll keep trying to push it. Some other things will happen. But like nobody really is tuning in to watch Dean in the great box somebody. It's just not part of it. So it would just die out in probably two years. I think there's two fights left that people care about specifically in this influencer space,

which is Jake versus Logan and Jake versus KSI. And those are the two fights that like ultimately once we reach that inevitability, it will lose its team to Jed's point. Like that might not be the last bit, but that might be the death knell. Like there might be a few after that. The only thing. And I say that because they've basically run out of combinations of guys to fight. Now it's like Tommy Fury versus KSI.

Nobody cares. Nobody really cares. It's only because Tommy Fury was a common opponent with Jake Paul. They're kind of just like round robining and beating around the bush and trying to stretch this out as long as they can until they can reach KSI versus Jake Paul. But ultimately they're running out of combinations. And once we see the fights, nobody really cares. They're not that good fights. Like they're kind of boring and they're kind of like bad.

So ultimately it's all leading toward that. The only thing that would potentially inject life into this is if Conner, Gregor entered the space. And now all bets are off. And now the extent, the shelf life on this is extended significantly because Connor McGregor could really sell anything. Um, he can sell the new fresh matchups with Jake Paul. You can sell the matchup with KSI.

You can sell the matchup with whoever you can put anybody in there, uh, forever. Even Nate, like whatever that looks like in a boxing capacity. So that's the only thing I think that would really extend it beyond that. But otherwise, it's really Logan versus Jake and KSI versus Jake. And those are the two. that anybody's even going to care about from this point forward. I just feel like there's someone's going to come out of nowhere, just like the Paul brothers, for me at least came out of nowhere.

And I don't know. And next year it's just going to be some other dude who I've never heard of. And all of a sudden, I'm like, why does everyone give a crap about this person? And all of a sudden, they'll tell you, I'll tell you that is. Flying to Cincinnati to cover a fight. I'll tell you that is. And there's a reason you'll be flying to Cincinnati. It's you, Casey.

It's you. You're the end game. for all of this. Once we introduce you into this pool and they realize no one can beat you, that's the end of influencer boxing. Casey beat it. How long do you want to keep questions? How don't we want to keep questions? Because we had the co-made event about the start in some ultimate fighting championship. Well, don't you worry. We're going to have 15 full minutes of this co-main event at the minimum. I do have to live blog to the main event, but I've got a solid 20 until that happens. Let's do two more questions. Genoa, Viviani Arrugio is.

is going to go to this. Okay. I saw this question. Maybe I'm doing the math wrong, but I can't figure this out either. James Perez says, how the hell one judge have it a draw with a point deduction?

It's impossible for it to be a draw. It was even about rounds. So how did you get to draw? I don't know. I have no idea. That's a great question. He did not factor in the point deduction is the only way. Because I had the same thing. I was trying to figure it,

but it was 57, 57. I had at 5756 for Fury because that's how the total. So I think it just had to have been no point deduction. So really should have been a split decision. Correct? Is there a way? I'm really terrible. I'm really terrible doing math on the fly.

Is there a way to make that work if it's a 9-9 round rather than a 10-8 round? Oh, actually, that probably works. Yeah. Let me math that real quick. But I think that's right. Wouldn't it be if? Yeah. I went to college for...

That would be 56.56. Yeah, because I now would be 56, 56, wouldn't it? Okay, so I'm... I haven't math in a while. I don't do it of six rounds. Six rounds kind of throws me off. True. I engineered my whole entire life around the fact that I don't need to do math.

So, like, I'm the wrong person, masses. All right. I feel like that can't be right, but I'm just going to roll it because I'm also not going to math on the fly. No, so 57 is 310, or 310 points and 3. points. So a 9-9 does work. Oh boy, this is spectacular. I don't know. The real main event of tonight is someone needs to give us a long division problem and then all four of us sit here and try to work out the long division problem.

I could do long division. All right. I don't know if I could. I would think that it would have to be 57, 57. I don't know. Okay. We'll move on. Somebody better at math. This is great. All right. Last one. This is coming. from Alexander and I'm not going to try to pronounce that last name. Do you think Jake Paul versus KSI is next? I don't. Nope. I think Jake Paul is going to fight for one.

Yeah, he's going to fight Tommy Fury. Or, you know, another MMA name, something like that. They're going to do Tommy Fury and maybe Mike Perry is a 5% chance. But I'm pretty confident Jake Paul Tommy Fury too is on deck. I'm going to buck the trend and say, yeah, we'll get it next. All right. I think that fight is next year. I just don't think it's next.

But we've... Did you guys have fun? Yeah, just get it done. Did you guys have fun tonight? Yeah. I had a really good time to start. I got a little tired of it down the stretch, but it's just because there's a lot of...

There was just so much hugging tonight. And, like, that's the thing you don't want, and it's where we got to. A lot of those fights devolved into the worst kind of bad boxing. Yeah, there was some, there was some slog in it. But like, again, I came in, this, this was expectation. Like, I really didn't have much higher than this expected. And it delivered in that capacity.

It felt big. It felt different. And I was happy to have it. Do I, do I want it to replace my, my regular diet? Definitely not. This was the trip to the Sunday shop. but it was fine. Casey, you have fun?

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say yes. Yeah. It's a ringing endorsement. Yeah. I think I would have had a lot of fun being there. It really did seem like that place was popping off. It seemed like a great crowd. Yeah.

And a big fan of the illuminated child behind the ring. Still don't understand what that was about, but that was funny. Apparently that's- I don't know if that was a child. I think that might have been- That's a grown man. That's hard. Like arch enemy or something.

Yeah. Arrhea said it was that a rose guy or whatever his name is, but I don't know. I don't have any ideas. And this is just brilliant production, like more horrible production. They put a spotlight on that person. There was like, there was no other spotlights around the, around the ring except for that on that one, I don't want to say child, that one person. And it was, they were building up to something. That's good about that now.

Why don't you guys have to kill the buzz? Well, you know, I think that's it for us. You have C, as we said, UFC Co-Man event. Heck yeah. Maya Arrucho. The fight they are, they are moving around this cage. They sure are moving around it. They're not clenching.

They're not hugging. Yeah. They're also not combating either. How dare you? Well, you know, heck of a night. Very weird night. But I'm glad you guys joined us for it. We'll be back probably relatively soon.

I'm not sure who's going to be on the UFC post show. I know Casey you'll probably be there. Jed, you might be there. I'm going to be there. But we'll see you guys soon. We appreciate you for hanging out with us. I hope everyone has a great rest of your weekend. You know how it goes.

On to the next one Sunday, MMA hour Monday, and then the train keeps rolling to next week, which is the big week I can't wait for next week. It's going to be so much fun. You have to be 2-94. I'm getting booze from Jed. know what's going on. But anyway, we love you guys.

We love you guys. We will see you very soon. Let's go deep. Dean the Great. You're next. Is that his name? Dean the Great. Mail the Jake cycle.

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