MMA Fighting - Rankings Show: AK vs. The World | Cejudo At 135 + 3 Most Interesting Opponents For Jon Jones, More

Episode Date: May 9, 2023

Chaos reigns as Shaun Al-Shatti and Alexander K. Lee are joined by their good pals Jed Meshew and Damon Martin to tie up some loose ends for UFC 288, debate where Henry Cejudo falls in the bantamweight division after his split decision loss around (5:36), whether Cejudo vs. Merab is the next move around (25:33), make sense of AK's obscene disrespect for Aljamain Sterling in the pound-for-pound ranks around (29:43), plus Belal Muhammad's rise into the welterweight top 5 around (42:15). Then, the gang dons their best Sean Shelby cosplay to rank the top 3 most interesting opponents for a Jon Jones retirement fight around (53:25). Follow Shaun Al-Shatti @ShaunAlShatti Follow Alexander K. Lee @AlexanderKLee Follow Damon Martin @DamonMartin Follow Jed Meshew @JedKMeshew Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The downloaded two, ghosts in the machine, available now, only from Audible. Podcast Network. What is up, my friends. What a day, what a day. You having a good day, guys? Fantastic day. What a lovely day.

This is a great damn day. You know, I was real down late last. week. And Jed, you really tried to make me feel worse in the moment too. I was feeling pretty deflated. I'm watching another Phoenix sun season here. Just crumble the ash in my hand. But you know what? We are back, baby. In Devin Booker, we trust. I'll follow that man to the ends of the earth. But I digress. This is the MMA fighting ranking show, by the way. It's the hope that kills you, Shaheen. It is the hope that kills you. Oh, that hope is so alive. As a long time, Georgia football fan, let me tell you, for most,

of my life, it's been the hope that kills you. I know that pain well, and I embrace it right now. We're in it. We're in the thick of it. We thank you, as always, for joining us. This is the NBA Fighting Rankin Show. My name is Sean O'SHoddy, and we're here in that post-UFC 288, Hays. As always, you already heard some of them.

I'm joined by my co-captain. He is the King of the North, the Prince of Positivity. He has reclaimed that name after just given some inspiring words of support in favor of our Lord and Savior D-Book. He is Alexander K. Lee. and then rounding out the panel today, our two good pals. Jed Mishu, Damon, how we doing, fellas? I'm excited.

I feel like this has been a long time coming. But I think apparently I hear allegedly that today I get to pass the torch, the crown as king of the hot take. The king in the north may be collecting crowns. That's what I'm hearing. I'm excited to find out if it's true or not. I don't want to build it up too much. I don't think this take is that hot.

to be frank but at first i do want to say that's how i know you've become a true take artist when you don't even think the take is hot that's when you're really cooking with gas you know who's hot right now devon booker and kevin durant especially david borgon that hansel so hot right now always very happy for you shaheen uh listen 10 just break it down the mat 10 wins away your team is 10 wins away from nba title that first one i'll tell you there's always going to be there's always going to be hard times your team is a belal maha amount of wins away from finally being a time. That sounds less easy. That's don't put it down. Jed, you're going the wrong direction. You're going the wrong. Don't do that to him.

And let me just say, Sheing, I know you've got a lot of hope right now because your sons are doing great. I'm not the biggest basketball guy, but I will say as a lifetime bingles fan, hope is a really, really dangerous thing to have because until Joe Burrow came along, my hope disappeared many years ago. So be careful on letting hope seep in too much because it will crush you. What a terrible message. The hope feels so good, David. It feels so good. I'm just saying.

I'm just saying. I am a LeBron James fan, so I have been rooting for him in the playoffs. I have seen that, although it's really funny. I had a Facebook memory from five years ago pop up today, and I wanted to, I almost sent it to AK. It said it was the old, was it, was I guys named the guy who did the pregnancy test on TV? Mori. Mori Povich.

It said, it said, it said, sorry Toronto Raptors. The results were in. LeBron James is your daddy because it was the year before when LeBron beat the Raptors. And let's not forget, they didn't have to play him in 2019. So blessings there. Listen, they would. That's the one of deep. They slayed a lot of demons, 2019.

That was not one of them. And frankly, I never need to find out if they could have. I don't want to know. I don't know. I'm glad they didn't know. Just give me one. All I want is one. I will shut up forever.

Just give me one. It'll taste so sweet. I'm going to disappear into the ether for like three weeks. You'll find me in Thailand. Face down, ass up at the end of those three weeks somehow, I don't understand how it's going to happen. Well, you really have a time and time. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, like, this is going to derail my life if it happens.

We're going to find Jeanne and a fight circus fight if the Phoenix Suns were in. He's not going to know how he got there. He's being blindfolded with his legs tied together. Me and Indica. Div are really going to make it see things happen. Yeah. That's a fight circus duo, I feel like, right? Yes.

Oh, no, you nailed it. All right. Well, you are a connoisseur of the circus. Well done, good sir. So let's dive in, fellas. Al Jermaine Sterling. The man does it again. Like, he just keeps doing it regardless of what everyone else wants to think about it.

He takes a spitty over Henry Sehudo at UFC 288. And now, like, we talked about it on the Post-Py Show. We really don't need to get into it today. One of the weirder title reigns that we have seen. But it's also kind of just starting to cross into really historic territory at this point. I think territory that nobody really really. expected us to get to where we're talking about records like the most wins, longest win streak, the most consecutive title defenses in the division's history,

UFC band and win history. Those are pretty significant records, those three, and they all belong to the Funkmaster now. And, you know, it's never as clean as it seems like it should be with him. But really, frankly, I think we should all be thick in the blood gods that somehow Derek Cleary pulled out one of the more absurd scorecards with that fifth round of Aljo because this could have been one of the messier situations imaginable if Henry Suhudo had pulled out a win that I think a lot of us believe he didn't win. So disaster averted, as Dominic Cruz said

on the, on the MMA hour on Monday, that would have been a catastrophe. But we are here now. And for our purposes, Al Jamein Sterling, once again, are you? Oh, Shane, wait, can I ask, can I, can we present this in the form? Can I present this in the form of a question for our fellow panelists, who I think maybe haven't looked at the final ranking? Oh, I'm not even, I'm not even, I'm not even there yet. So go ahead and do whatever. I'm sorry. I was going to ask Jed, and maybe Damon, I don't know if Damon looked. Jed, where do you think Suu

ended up in our consensus Bantaway rankings coming off of this loss? That's a good question. Don't know with it. Yes, without looking. Where do you think he ended up? And our consensus ranking? So I know we got at least a couple of people that are going to get way too excited because losses don't mean

anything to them. And I would bet that among our whole panel, one of them probably even scored it for Sehudo. And so he might even be snaked into a the top overall spot in one of them because some people are insane on our staff. Love them to death. Just crazy people. Top five. Let's say top five. Damon, did you look at the consensus ranking? I looked at my rankings just to make sure. Consent, I did. I only, I only know my rankings. I didn't look at the other ones. I would say top five. I would say number five would be good.

only because San Hagan's off a good win. It'd be harder to jump him. Marab, obviously. You absolute hero, AK. I take it that you just look for. Shaheen, do you want to, okay, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt your intro. Now that we've got this guessing game out of the way,

would you like to properly introduce this second? You did the work for me, AK. I was going to say Al Jermaine Sterling, our unanimous top bantam weight this month. So instead, let's talk about Henry Sehudo, where he fits in. Let me tell you something. He ain't number two.

He's not number three. So he ain't number four. I respect it. I respect it. I respected it so much. I'm just saying. Come it out of Saturday. It felt like there are a lot of real questions about whether he'd even fight again at

Bantamweight. That lasted all the two days. He's already called at Marab. We know at least for now. He is in this division to stay. So question, where does he fall? Right. Where does he fall as a bantam weight?

He ends up to debuting at number six this month for us for MMA fighting. So not in the top five. He is behind Al Jemey, Sterling, Marab, O'Malley, Sanhagen, and Peter Yon. So I'll just throw it right out first. Damon, how's that sound to you? Do we screw up by getting him at number six? No, the only one I would, the only one I would kind of quibble with is Jan, just because John's off, you know, Peter Yon's off a couple losses.

The last one was kind of an ugly one to Marab. But no, I don't really have a, probably five or six is pretty much where I think he would land. I mean, again, O'Malley's on a windstreet. Sanhagen's coming off a big win over Cheeto. Even losing in a close fight to Al Jermaine still isn't a win, so you don't get to just jump right in there. So, yeah, I think five or six is pretty right based on where they're at.

Like I said, the only way you could even argue is maybe the on. But again, he lost. So how can you really argue with him going anywhere? So yeah, I think six is about right. You're welcome, Damon. You're welcome. I agree with you. Six doesn't feel bad.

I had, I am shocked how high I had him relative to everybody else. So yeah, I was about to say, for the listeners, Jed, you had him at number three, behind Sterling and Marab, obviously. Damon, you and I both had him at five. You had him behind Jan and Sanhagan. You had him behind San Hagan and O'Malley. And I'm avoiding somebody in this whole conversation, because then there's AK, the so-called Prince of Positivity. You didn't have Sehudo in your top five. You didn't have Sehudo in your top 10.

You didn't even have Henry Sehudo in your top 15. You had Henry Zahudo unranked entirely, so I just want to open the floor. Before I even get to AK, you two gentlemen, thoughts on this. I support it so much. I wish that I had that take. I wish that I had that level of take in me. It's just great work from AK realistically. Like, he didn't win.

He didn't win. Who were his relevant wins at Bannon Wade? I'm sorry. Marlon Maris, semi-retiret, semi-retired. or at least should be retired. T. J. Dillishall was a flyweight, and he headbutted him, and also T.J. Dillishaw is retired,

and he didn't beat. No, I'm with Dominic Cruz. Okay, actually no. That's actually questionable as I, as I talks through it. I don't have Cruz ranked, so I support it. But the fact that AK does have Cruz ranked,

a little more suss. I will say a little more suss. Yeah, I think, I think unranked is a bit harsh. You don't want to have them in the top five, top six. I totally understand that. But we have, because I listen, I have far more egregious issues with where people rank people on our panel. And I love everyone, be clear about that.

But I have far more issues about where other people are ranked than not ranking Henry Suhudo. But I think Henry Suhudo is one of the best. Right now, even off a lost Al Jermaine Sterling, he is undoubtedly one of the best 15 bantamates in the sport. And if you just take the cruise fight into account, that right there still matters. He knocked him out. I don't care how much Cruz complained about that stoppage. He did get knocked out in that fight and it was over.

So, yeah, I have a hard time believe he's not top 15. If you don't want to put him in the top five, top six, that's fine. But yeah, not top 15 at all. That's, that's, that's, that's problematic. A.K. Please come in here. Please come into this conversation. Yes, she can I help you.

I hit you up yesterday when I was doing the math totally in all of this. And I assumed it was a mistake. And then you made it very abundantly clear. No, no, it's not a mistake. And I even pointed out, hey, you know, Dominic Cruz is sitting here at number 10 for you. Like, this feels a little weird. You're like, no, no, the resume is just not there. Can you please explain what you're doing with this?

Because I just don't get it. He retired. He's out of the ranking. He was out of the ranking three years ago. Come back and win a fight. That's my bar. That's my bar to come back and be ranked. I don't ask a lot.

I don't ask a lot. Just win a fight. He could have fought. Let me make something clear. First of all, I'm not blaming Henry Sehooda for retiring, and I'm certainly not blaming him for walking back into a title shot.

So who knows like who kind of does feel like it. Oh, no, no, no, no. I didn't say there are no consequences. I say I don't blame him. I don't hate him for it. But there are consequences to actions. Him retiring in 2020 was super smart, because we all know he was not getting paid

what he's worth. for a guy who's a former Olympic medalist an Olympic gold medalist the youngest in history an MMA prodigy or was the youngest in history Damon who is it Jordan Burroughs that Jordan Burroughs

Carl Snyder Kyle Snyder thank you I'm sorry the youngest yeah the youngest now but incredible pedigree coming into Mame Super prospect everyone says me a future champion

lives up to it two division champion and I'm sure he was making very good money when he retired but the the the the the explicit reason for his retirement was, you know, I will come back if the UFC makes the money

right. They never did, I guess, until recently, or he just got that itch to compete again. And he came back. So I have no problem in retirement. I remember being very supportive of it, like, disappointed because I wanted to see him fight more, not because I was like, oh, he's abandoning the game. I was like, man, I just, Henry Sue was a really good fighter. Every want to see him fight more. So that part sucked, but it wasn't like personal against him. I was a little irk that he was, you know, was calling for a tell shot and wanted to skip the line. But if you get it, you get it. So I'm not mad about that. He just got a championship paycheck coming off the couch.

And now he's right in the thick of the discussion again as one of the best bandomates the world. I understand he took the champion to a five-round fight and were it not for one scorecard, would be the bandit would be my number one ranked. So the performance speaks for itself. It was a very good performance. But he didn't get the card. He didn't win.

He did retire. He was removed from the rankings. Why is Dominic Cruz over him? Because Dominic Cruz has fought since then. There's a lot of guys that have over Henry's because they fought. They fought. They win winning fights. I get it.

The wins over Munoz and Kenny, I'm talking with Dominic Cruz. Not like super memorable. Casey Kenny win was real. That was a real good one. He won. He won. He won. He won a fight in the night with Pedro.

He won. He's winning fights. That's all I ask. Stick around and win fights. I'll mention two more things first. I was in, obviously, I had to, prepare for this because I'm like, okay, I didn't realize I would be the only one not to rank him until I looked at the, we were doing the match.

How did you not realize you would be the only one? I thought someone else. I thought someone else being in the UFC champion. Also, he was within one bad score. Yeah. Being a UFC champion. He didn't get it. He didn't get it.

He lost. If Derek Cleary didn't suck at his job, I mean, he would have been sucking in his job at a different portion. Just to bring it back, to bring back to just my original, like, I had these other explanations, but the most base thing is if you retire, if you retire, just come back and win a fight. And you can have a ranking. If you don't win, I'm not throwing you back in.

I'm just not to do it. Can I ask you a question? Yes. Because I don't want this to be a personal attack. No, it should. I welcome it. I do, but I don't want it because I do want, as a man with a controversial process, I understand it. And I understand the limits of your process.

I would argue strongly that a lot of your process is faulty because Henry Suhudo right now is not ranked and Connor McGregor held the lightweight ranking for like five years without winning a fight in the weight class. but neither here nor there. Also, go to Dori Mazvedol, Darren Till, Kelvin Gastel and lots of examples. I love how you just didn't bring up

Tony Ferguson because that one would have hurt your soul, but you could add Tony Ferguson. He was fighting. We don't need to make it. He was fighting. He wasn't winning, but that's not the point. I have one follow-up question,

and this comes from a good place, A.K., you say come back and win a fight. Okay. If Henry Suhudo had come back and beaten, who's the worst ban on the roster? Trying to think... Oh, hold on. I can tell you that right now.

I have... If he came back and beat Aaron Phillips, O and 4, who might not be in the roster anymore. If he came back and beat Aaron Phillips, where would Henry Suhudo be ranked in your ranking? I would rank him. He would be in the rankings. I would put him back in the top of him.

I would like to just suggest to you in as kind a way as possible that perhaps, you know, take this next month. When you have a minute, you don't know, it's been too long on this. Maybe just reflect. on if you believe that a process wherein Henry Sohudo taking three years off, beating nobody currently really relevant outside of the dominant Cruz win, and Cruz probably shouldn't be relevant anyway, different thing.

Whether him coming back after that time and beating Aaron Phillips or random contender series, dude, that would put him into the top 10 versus almost beating the current champion doesn't get him any love at all. whether that is reflective of the top of this division and what you would like to espouse. Just something to consider, maybe reflect on your process and think if maybe there are better ways to go about things or just some tweaks to make. Can I also, can I also throw one little, one small argument real quick just to that point? Win a fight. It's about winning the fight, right?

Okay, that's what you say, right? Winning the fight? Correct. Okay. Why then do you have Alexander Volcanowski ranked number one, pound for pound over Islam, even though he lost Islam. Islam doing it.

Wait, do I? Yeah. Oh, he's pulling out receipts. I got receipts. You got, I'm sorry.

You got even in the same, that's not even the same way class. You got in Ghana. You got in Ghana. I'm just saying, like, if it's all about wins and losses, you got Volcanowski number one,

but he lost him, McCocker, that's not even the same, that's not even the same way class. I'm just saying, if wins and losses matter, why wouldn't that matter there? Why wouldn't the guy,

in the fight. They do, but I mean, weight class definitely matters. That's a whole other discussion. Look, it's very clear that AK just does not like Henry Suf. And thus, that is the right. I don't like him, but that is not why I did this. That's, again, separate conference.

Weight class, several conversation, me not liking Henry Suu, separate conversation, not ranking Henry Suu, several conversation. They may seem related. They all may seem related, but they're not. Obviously, the whole Aaron Phillips example, you know, it's an exaggerate. It's a fun, hypothetical. But again, we all know

that's a scenario that would never happen. He would never be brought back to fight. So, it's a thought exercise. Again, if it happened, yeah, I don't. You can learn a lot from thought exercises. I'm just saying, just take some time and reflect. I love a good. I love a good. I love it. If you think that this process is leading to results that

you believe are good. And if so, that's fine. If we want to go down the hypothetical road, if we want to go down the hypothetical road, you can go, well, what if Marlon Vera had gotten the shot of Henry Seudo? I think he would have put on a great fight against, against Aljo. And then would we have ranked, you know, Marlon Vera higher? Like, like, for me, it's, yes.

We would have. You know, maybe we would have. The thing is, I'm unclear where you're going with this. Here's the thing. I cannot reward Sohudo just for the scruy matchmaking. Again, it's not his fault that he got this opportunity. It's great that he got it and he fought very well. But I hated the process of this matchmaking.

I hated it when the fight was announced. I hated it when the fight was being discussed long before it was announced. I don't have to, like, justify. But no one's asking you to put him number two. Okay. No one's asking you to put him number five. Sure. No one's asking you to put him anywhere,

but you don't think he's better than, I don't know. Ricky's. Jonathan Martinez, my number 14th ranked UFC heavyweight. I was a lot. Sorry, Bantamweight. Yeah. Song, Saeed Nermagometta.

My number 15. Jonathan Martinez is not your number 14 ranked Bannon weight, by the way. No, that is in the UFC. Oh, in the UFC. Oh, that's what I'm saying. Listen, you had in Bellator. You had in Bellator. Got it got it got it.

I can't believe we're talking about it. of Henry Suhudo. I'm not putting a above patchy mix, Rofrey and Stats, guys who've been putting in work. No. No, he's not, he's not, he's not, that's what I'm saying. I understand and I accept your process, hey, Kay. If you are, if you are, if you are comfortable with this, then I'm comfortable for you. I am just politely suggesting maybe rethink or at least consider that maybe this isn't what you were going for.

Listen, I'm a fair, I'm a fair man. I'm a fair. I am maybe the, maybe the fairest man in the world. I don't know. I don't know how you. Usually the fairest people in the world say statements just like that. I don't know how you can track that sort of thing.

No one's keeping a list. But I'm saying if someone could object to make a list, you would be up there. I'd be higher than Henry Suhudo is in my ranking, in my bantam ranking. So let me put it that way, which is, which is easy because he's not there. Look.

And I'll also mention, Sheehan, the polls, the polls that I ran. Because again, I'm a fair man. I'm glad you brought up the book. Some say this. Farrants.

Some say, someone say the fairest. But I'm also a man of the people. I'm a man of science. I'm a man of many. You're a man of polls. So my personal poll, through my Twitter,

which you had whatever, I was only a handful of followers. Where do you play San Francisco Hutto in the band to rate rankings after his performance? U.C. 288. Top five, 60, pretty strong, 67.5% right now.

Pretty strong. Okay. Only 8.3 have him unranked. So not looking great for me. Worse on YouTube. Worse on YouTube, where we had a much, much we have at least at least 20 something

thousand people voted you know what I don't need to read the YouTube poll I think reading the other poll was fine I don't think you need to know No please I mean it's probably like 80% Top 5 80% 81% say top 5% Listen I'm Mr. 5% now

So 5% I'm glad But Look we don't need to be labor this We don't need to be labor this There's a reason Can I ask one more question I do have one more question for AK on his process. I welcome questions.

Sure. When you're a man of science, I'm here to learn. That's thing. I'm not attacking. I'm here to teach. So I just want to make sure that I have this right. Because it sounded like one of your, if not your primary argument against was you didn't believe in the process that got Sohudo to the title fight. And you didn't want to reward him for essentially being catapulted into a fight ahead of schedule.

and getting the chance to take the champion to the limit, which I feel other fighters in the top five or six could have done. But that's hypothetical. I'm sorry, go on, please. That seems very insane to me. To say this is kindly, like, did, I don't know how to really react. Fighters get fights they don't deserve all the time.

It happens almost like on a monthly basis, and I don't feel like that ever plays. a huge role here and more to the point on the other side of it like that feels a bit asymmetrical. I'm trying to talk my way through the thought process here because I don't have this. I didn't have time to like write down how to say it or whatever. It's just like you you are not going to reward fighters for taking opportunities that any fighter would say yes to, but you are sort of de facto punishing every other fighter who doesn't get opportunities even when they should.

But Balal Muhammad for, I guess maybe Balal isn't the perfect person since he just got an opportunity, but maybe we can use this as a segue. How long has Belal Muhammad, where is Belaw Muhammad in your rankings? He's number four in your rankings. He's now number four. Now number four. Prior to that, where was he prior to this? He was number seven. Okay, number seven.

And that's even coming off the Sean Brady win, a man who had been, as you say, putting in the work, but it was. is not getting those, quote-unquote, screwy opportunities from the UFC, you're not elevating them either. So you are just punishing fighters, both for taking good opportunities and not winning and for not getting good opportunities at all. Here's your mistake. Here's your mistake. Here's your mistake. A fair question, though. Thank you, young man. Thank you. Henry Seudo is not being punished. He didn't lose anything. He never had a ranking going into this fight. He's not being punished. Okay, when seven of us do a thing and you are the one that doesn't do a thing, I don't know that you can argue.

I made my ranking without independence. Listen, it also just is sort of a binary. Wait a minute now. He's not losing anything. Let us not. Hold on. Let us not call the balloting process. We do not look at each other.

We are an independent panel. We are 20 minutes in. We do not look at each other's. We are 20 minutes in. We do not need to be labor this. There is a reason we have an eight person panel. It is so that. We got to get to the women's Bannamway talk, okay.

I have a PowerPoint. Is there a way we can, like the people, the podcast listeners can see it? We'll make it a visual pod on Spotify. Okay. And we'll figure out all the bells and whistles on that. Eight-person panel, there's a reason we have eight people so that occasionally when somebody goes off the reservation, their opinion doesn't matter a ton because it's outweighed by seven other opinions.

So it works out in that favor. Real quick before we move on. You can't always matter. But this time, by the way, oh, but this time, he's not in the top five. That's true. You did single-handedly hold him out of it. the top five. So congratulations. One rogue panelist has consistently held Francis and Ghanu out of a top

pound for pound spot for like two years. So it's not even the worst. And Gunn was in that rogue panelist's pound for pound this month. At number at number 20, but he's in there. He finally, he finally did it. Moving on up. Casey finally broke, baby. Real quick for you gentlemen before we move on, Marab versus Henry.

Do you like it? Because I actually really like it. I think it makes a lot of sense for everything that's going on in this division. right now. I love it. Oh, Damon. Conflict. Why? Why do you hate it, Damon? What's the bad? What's the downside? So here's the bad. Let me throw this out there. I so and I again, I'm being a little bit biased here. I had a interview a couple hours ago with a man by the name of Corey Sanagan. And Corey to, to get AK on his side here, Corey basically said, Henry was already gifted a title shot that he didn't

really necessarily deserve. Giving him a rab back to back is punishing the other. guys of division who have worked their way up like Corey Sandhagan who beat Cheetah Vera who is on a win streak much like Marab de Walshvili and ideally that fight would either be a number one contenders fight or a potential vacant title fight depending on if Aljo goes on smokes O'Malley which I think you will and vacates the title to go up to 145 then you need a new champion. O'Malley just lost Henry Sehudo just lost Marab and Corey would be a great vacant title fight or at worst the number one contenders fight. So I agree with Corey, you've already rewarded Henry once by letting him jump right in the title fight and jump over everybody else. In theory, O'Malley was the number one contender,

right? He was after beating Peoria. Giving him another top guy without doing anything else in division seems like you're punishing Corey Sanagan for just going out there and winning three straight main events, beating Song Yadong, beating Cheetah Vera, you know, so, so, or yeah, too. So, So, yeah, Sehudo, I have no problem with Sudo getting Cheeto. I said that to Corey. I was like, what about Chito Vera? That'd be a fun fight. Let him fight something like that.

But rewarding him for losing to the champion when he was on for three years and then giving him another number one contenders fight off a loss, seems a little unfair to some of the other guys. So I agree with Corey. It's got to be Corey Mrab and then let, let Suhudo fight Cheeto. That's a good fight. Let him fight. Let him fight, let him fight, umar.

Let him do that one. See if he beats him. Maybe I'll be a believer again. But yeah, no, I don't think you should just give him another number one contenders fight right off the bat. Damon, that's a very strong case. Why, really, really, why should someone who's not a top five, Bantamweight? Some would argue unranked. Why should he get a fight against the number two?

Only the fairest people in the world would argue that. Yes, yes. I actually hadn't thought about that. I understand where he's coming from, but I just don't, don't dig on it. like no disrespect to Corey Sandhagan because he's a hell of a fighter. You just got to do more. Be more interesting, man. Like, I think that this fight makes sense.

I also don't think this fight excludes Corey Sandhagen. Because if I'm coming around to the idea that Sean Amalley beats Al Jemey and Stirling, I'm not all the way there yet, but you give me a few more months and I might, I might just swerve. But even if you're right, Damon, if Aljo whoops up on Sean Amalley, he's gone. He's going to dip. which means that the winner of that fight, Sohudo versus DeVosvili,

is essentially the number one dude in the division. And then there's, if it's for an interim title, okay, that's a touch unfair for Corey Santagin, sure, but deserves got nothing to do with it in this sport. And instead, Corey Santagin could just find himself fighting

the winner of that fight for either the vacant or the undisputed title. I don't think that necessarily puts him out. Yes, maybe Sean O'Malley gets that spot against the winner of that fight. But if like you said, if Alchamane still like runs over him, I don't know that the U.C. is going to immediately put Sean O'Malley right back in a title fight and let him rebuild the brand a little bit.

And instead, then you can have Corey Santagin do that. So I said on the post show, I thought this is where Henry was going. He proved me right in the span of about 72 hours. I think the fight makes total sense. Run it. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. I mean, this to me just feels like it solves a lot of problems that we have right now at Bantamweight,

especially with Aljo's impending departure. So I don't know, we'll see. One other, there's just one other thing that I want to mention on this fight before we move on. And it's not even something I really thought we would be talking about today. But, AK, I didn't think that it would be possible for me to find a take of yours that I disliked more than the Suhudo take between the end of this fight. in us taping this. And then we did some math this morning.

And I stumbled upon this one. And you've kind of been flying under the radar with this one, because this isn't even something new. This is just something that you've had. But Al Jemaine Sterling. So Al Jemaine Sterling, the Bantamweight champion. What have you done? A.K., you're a big Bantamweight guy, I think.

Jeez, dude. Hold on, hold on. Let me set this up. Let me set this up. A.K., you're a big Bantamweight guy. You love the Bantamweets. Well, no. I think you're on record calling it the best of

in the sport. I disagree with you, but you do you. It's your world. I'm not going to stop you. The king of that supposed best division in the sport is a man who has 14 UFC wins at 135, most ever, nine straight wins at 135, most ever, three straight title defenses at 135, most ever. If you look at our pound for pound rankings, he is number seven behind Ngano, Adasanya, Edwards, Jones, full Islam, that order going up. Not a bad spot by any means. That feels right, actually. I would say that spot feels pretty good.

But if you look at our personal ballots after 288, Damon, you have him at number five. Jed, you and I have him at number six. Again, he's right there. Whether you like him or not, he has the streak. He has the records he fits in. He's a top, top tier guy. And then there's AK.

And apparently this has just been happening, and we didn't even notice it. Can you just explain where you have Al Jermaine Sterling on your men's pound for pound ranks and why? All right. Well, I'll say where I have him. All right, I have met number 14. It's low.

It's low. It's not high. I'll say this at a time. Hold on real quick. Just for context. Let's get some context in here. Oh, I'll do it right now. I'll do it right now.

Here's who he's behind. Here's who he's behind. Two division bell to our champion, Patricia Pitbull. I feel very comfortable putting him behind there. Could be three. Max Holloway, who's lost to one guy. Max Holloway lost to one guy in the last, what, like what, five? Like, at featherweight or one guy at all at featherweight.

and Connor. Porreier, who I think has one of the strongest resumes in any Poirier, by the way. Super, yeah. Robert Whitaker, again, has lost to one guy. Just one guy, 185. The scurry one is Alpsaura. Alice Perre is in at number nine.

I don't know where everyone else has him. Do I have him too high? Porre is also high. I would say you're the only one who has Alpsaura ahead of Algebra. I have for a super high. I don't know what to do with the, you know, he knocks out at Dissania, which put him in the top 10. Obviously, then he lost, you guys kind of bumped him out, which makes a perfect sense. It's just hard for me because, again, pound for pound should not be the same as divisional

rankings, but it's like, obviously, Whitaker couldn't beat at his son, so I feel like I have to have prayer ahead of Whitaker, even though Whitaker clearly has the much stronger resume than Pereira. So this is when we get into the whole debate of like, oh, well, how do you define pound for pound? You might also say if Whitaker and Perretta fought 10 times, I'd pick Whitaker to beat him. Like, so there's that factor. But just the fact that he beat Izzy, Whitaker didn't have to put him above there. Charlie, listen, Charles Olivaire, again, he beat Porriere pre-definitively, and then Usman Edwards knowledgeable.

So I, there's a little bit of, I mean, math in there, there's a little bit of, you know, I keep saying, I wish Sterling had the chance to fight some more relevant contenders, again, not his fault. Even the T.J. Dillishaw fight when it was booked, obviously we all wanted Jose Aldo. but I think we all kind of agreed. TJ was still a top five phantomweight at the time. It just sucks the way that fight came about

and then the way it played out was even worse. So again, so much of this stuff I'm criticizing. Jed, you're raising your hand. I don't buy anything AK's saying, Jed, can you please go? I've explained why they're all ahead. I stand by. I want to lead with a very small defense of AK

before I explain what's really going on here because I've actually solved what happened here. Okay. The small defense is this. I'm not look. I would have to go back and look, but a lot of people did not have Sterling high for a lot of this run because it's been weird.

I think as he's added a few more, he's moved up. So I'm going to just guess that AK just simply hasn't really been moving him up the way other people have. But that's not to explain what's going on here because I've solved it. Because if you look at his rankings, 14 Sterling immediately underneath, Flyway champion Brandon Moreno.

I think it's clear to say, AK just hate short kings. Oh, I know. Don't say who's behind Moreno then. Don't say who's behind Reno then. I know. I was getting there. That's even worse.

There's a block where you've got, you've got Pitbull, Sterling Moreno, DJ. You hate the short kings, AK. That's what's going on. Hold on. Right behind them, right behind them, year for Hushka, a solid six foot four.

Alex Pereira's being one dude in his MMA career, but he's 6-1 and has arms that go like go-go-gadget. And AK's like, give me some of that guy. That's who I need on my pound for-pound. He cuts a very impressive figure. Yonbovito is behind them. He's a solid 6-2. I'm just saying, I got a little Vincent McMahon in me.

Look, I got a little bit of-203. You can't hate short kings, AK. AK, I love you. I respect you so much. You are the Prince of positivity. You inspire me in my darkest hours. I just don't, I don't see where you're coming from. Man, you can talk about like Aljo hasn't fought the guys you want him to fight,

but you also are just conveniently ignoring Corey Sanhagan, choking him out in like 88 seconds and beating Piordi Ann. Like, what, what, man? Why should he be so far ahead of Holloway? Why should he be so far ahead of Holloway? Make the case, make the case why he's so far ahead of Holloway. Because the champion. You have him.

You have him. Because he's the record-breaking champion of your best division in the sport. You had him. Can we discuss that, no, no, no, no. Hold on. You have him 12 spots ahead of Max Holloway. You tell me how Al Jermaine Sterling is 12 spots ahead of Max Hollowell. Because this is a pound for pound list for today for 2023,

and Al Jermaine Sterling has not lost in a half of a decade. Okay. Max Holloway has lost three times in that stretch. To one guy. Cool, which is why he's still on my top 20, but he's not in the... I'd like it. But he's lost a lot.

You lost in Featherway. That first fight was four away. I have my Poree. I have Holloway. I will say that I think Max Holloway, I understand the argument. I don't agree with it, but if you look at my rankings, I have Max's like three spots back or whatever. So I get the argument.

I think that you're just objectively wrong on Pereira. And I would also say objectively wrong on Porre. Because Porre has it lost as much, though he certainly has some losses in there. Granted, great competition. But his wins are... Connor. He's beat Connor, got the Gauchy and Chandler. Michael Chandler? Max Holloway, Eddie, Justin Fettis? Yeah, those, those three wins are not as good as Al Jemaine Sterling's title defense wins.

In my, in my argument, I think pretty objectively he should be in front of Poyer and Pereira. For Corey Sanhagen is infinitely better than anything Dustin Poyer has done just records-wise over the last five years. Oh. Oh. I don't know if it's better than beating Max Holloway. No, it's not better than beating Max Holloway. Well, that's what she just said. No, I did not co-sign Shaheen's statement. I want to hear him.

I want to hear him double down on it. Oh, oh, wait. I have the double down. I want to get this quote right. That's at a different weight class. It doesn't matter. No, no. I said it does matter because I have Holloway behind Porier.

I mean, it doesn't matter, though. I said it does matter. I have Holknobski losing a different weight class doesn't matter. So why does that? I have Holloway behind Porriere. Okay. We can go. But you have, but you have, but you have, but you have, but you have Islam behind

Volcanowski. There are different way classes. Why is that? I mean, wins matter. K.K.K.K. come on. Well, she can help me. You have Alexander Volkadovsky.

I'm not going to help me. I'm not going to help me. Help me. We're learning a lot about Alexander K. Lee Lee today. Wait a minute. This is what I need some back on. Hankings. He is devised.

Because you were the, you're the ringleader of. Ask the question to Shahee. I just want to know why you don't like the small. You constantly say Bannerway is a great division. And yet the champion of it is, it gets no respect. I did not have to comment that this publicly. My stance is I don't see height. I don't see height.

I don't see height. I don't see the world. You live your life on Zoom. I don't see the world that lens. It's okay. I've done it before. I did it. I can't remember what ranking show we did maybe like a year ago and I had somebody

ranked and I just flat out said I did that wrong. Like I just, I've done that as well. So, A.K. It's okay to admit that you're wrong here. It's okay to say, you know what? Maybe I just didn't rank him high enough and it's an error. And that's okay. We're all, we're all capable of making errors.

Trust me, I've had a couple where I'm like, why do I have that ranked? It's okay to look at number 14 and say, yeah, maybe I should have the UFC Bands and Weight champion of the world. The best, but the guy you have number one ranked in Banz of Weight ranked a little higher than 14. That's okay to admit. Listen, why I'm fine having Oussman above him still.

I'm sure Alex Pereira is super stoked that you have him at number nine. I'm sure he's very happy with that. That's a little high. And that's all. Pereira is a tough scene at the minimum. At the minimum, Pereira is a tough one. But I'm obligated by MMA math.

I have him ahead of Whitaker. We didn't. We didn't. We didn't have a calculation. We don't have the budget. This was mental. This was mental. This was mental MMMM arithmetic.

Hey, we can move on. We've spent 40 minutes on this. It's fine. We've just, we're learning a lot about AK today, and that's okay. I think that's okay. Listen, we, but the people can judge me. They already have, based on the two polls that I put out there. And now after they hear the show, they can, they can say.

You might have to, you might have to add rogue panelists to his list. When you, when you introduce him next time, Sheen, you may have to introduce him as the Prince of Positivity, the King in the North and the rogue panelist as the new nickname for AK. I think you may have taken the throne from Casey. I was going to try and bring the rogue panelist. on, even though he did rank Sohudo pretty highly. To deflect. And I thought like I could turn him.

I thought I'd be able to turn him to my side. And he said he would have just yelled at me too. So I'm glad he caught. So far, I've seen you try to turn at least seven different people to your side, including the public in these polls and no one's done it. No one can been convinced. I have 5% of support on YouTube. That 5% I am here for you.

I don't start reading YouTube comments. That is an exciting for you. I believe that's a defendable position, A.K. Sterling this low is... Sterling's tougher. It's much to... It's much... It's tougher. Fortunately, no one's going to be mad at you because it's not like they're a legion of

Sterling fans who are going to get off the arms about this. You picked a... Wait a bit of... On the at-risk population. Astute listeners, go back to listen to the segment. I clearly explains my logic. Whether you agree with that logic is another story entirely. And she didn't jack me up on the Volcanoxie thing.

I used to use that excuse in math class. I showed my work. It was bad and wrong, but I showed it. Teacher, obviously I give full credit. Teacher, if my process took me here, how could it be wrong? All right. Exactly. It's there.

It's on paper. We'll move on. How can it be wrong? I'm going home now. We'll move on. We'll move on. It's been a very revealing day here on the, on the, on the inviting ranking show. I do feel exposed.

The one last thing we can get to about Saturday's card, the only, I think, other thing worth mentioning, or at least discuss. Because also there is Yao Xiao-Zao Nahn out there as well. I think the other. big notable result of the card. She moved up from number seven to number four for our straw weight rankings. I think I really like the fight between her and Wellie Jang. I think that's really fun just lead up and the whole thing in China like that'll be really interesting. Also like her just consistently talking about how no one in China likes her and they only like Zhang.

Not something I realized, but that's, you know, we'll see how that plays out. Belal Bahamah, I do want to mention Belal Bahamah, because this is someone that we have argued about on this show. This is someone we've argued about on other shows. He finally, feels like he is at a place where he's starting to earn some of the respect that he is long overdue at this point. He moves up to number four now for us at Welterweight. He's only behind Hamzat, Usman, and Edwards. That's it. Damon, you had him at number two. I had him at number three, AKA you had him at four, Jed, you had him at six. There's not a lot to mention here, but I just wonder, why do you think, why do you think it's so hard to come to a consensus on this

still, even still for below? Because Walter was a damn good division. It's just not like this. Here's where I start, here's where I start dropping some hammers. And I'm going to start throwing right at, right at the esteemed Jed Mishu because, and he knows, and he knows this. He knows this. He knows why. And he's, he's fully copped to this before.

But having Shavkat Rakhanov and Hamzat Shavayev ranked above Bilal Muhammad is utterly ridiculous. Now, I want to throw this out there real quick. Hamzot's last win at Welterweight was a win over Gilbert Burns, a good win. We all agreed that was a good win. That was April 9th, 2022. Last time he fought it well to wait. In the time since then,

Balaamah Muhammad has earned a very dominant decision over Vesente Lucke, who was ranked pretty high at the time, I think six or seven, maybe seven or eight. He knocked out Sean Brady, and he just basically one-sided defeated Gilbert Burns in a much more dominant fashion. I know two weeks notice. I get it, but they were both the same disadvantage.

You can't say the two-week notice thing. They were both on two weeks' notice. This was not... literally coming off Ramadan. He was in the middle of Ramadan, in the middle of them. He was in Ramadan and on vacation. In reality, Gilbert had the advantage. He had just fought three rounds.

He actually wasn't a bigger advantage of Blau. Blah was not going through anything. He was in Ramadan and on vacation in Canada when he got the call and did this. So you can't hold against it. He had a more dominant win over Gilbert Burns than Hamzot Chamaev did. There's no argument that. It was 5045. He had no, he had a more dominant win.

Yet you have Hamzot and. Shavkat ranked above him. What does this man have to do? Like, he's going to have to become champion for you to finally give him some respect. No, he'll become champion. Oh, yeah. He'll still have Shavkat at number one. Yeah, the Shavkat goes over there.

If he doesn't beat Shavkat to become champion, sure. I will, I will start this by throwing you a slight bone here, Damon, and saying that this was my hardest ranking this month. I spent a good two minutes weighing, weighing. That's a long time for one. That's a long time for one ranking That's a long time That's a long time

Do you ask for these at like 4 a.m. on flight night I'm not going to spend an hour on each of them Sorry I spent but I looked at it and I stared at it And I was doing it during the post-flight presser And so I don't remember Al Jermaine was probably being mad about something or whatever And I was like

Is it time to just pull Hams out from the rankings entirely And I'm giving him one more cycle I think ultimately I'm just going to boot him from the rankings entirely because it feels like he's not coming back to Walterway, but I'm holding on hope because I thought that that's where he was going to win a title. So I could totally accept maybe I should have Balal in front of Hamzaa because I'm expecting Hamzaa to leave. But my answer is the same as always. I believe that the five men I have ranked above him would beat the ever-loving shit out of Balah Muhammad if they fought. I could be wrong. and if he proves me wrong by fighting them one day,

then I will have to adjust my rankings. But it's the principle of which I live by, and I feel comfortable, not like I'll defend this take to the death, but I feel fine with Leon, Shavkat, Kamarou, Amasov, and Shemayev in front of him, which isn't a statement against Bilal Mohammed. Great fighter on a phenomenal run.

He absolutely deserves a title fight. He's a thousand percent not going to get one, and that sucks. But well to wait, just a good division. When you get to the top five of any of the good weight classes, if they aren't fighting each other, so there's a clear hierarchy, it is a lot of vibes.

And in my vibes, those dudes would beat them up. But that's the, so basically we're saying the criteria is who's going to beat up who, because in that criteria... It's always been my criteria. For two years, that's been my criteria. Yarroslav Amasov, his monumental victory,

just a career-defining win over Logan Storley is better. than Bilal Muhammad going out and waxing Gilbert Burns for five rounds. No, not a better win at all. Not what I'm saying. Never once said it's a better win. It's not. If I'm just looking at,

who, which of these koresumais would I rather have, which is how I largely look at pound for pound, mind you, then yeah, for sure, Belal Muhammad has better wins. But if those two dudes fought, I've watched some fight, I feel that Yarslav Amasov would win. Could be wrong.

Been wrong a lot. I was super wrong about Jessica and Josh fighting, on Joe not on Saturday. And that's the same thing with Kamsa. Because, Daman, you bring up a really good point. Who has the better win against Gilbert Burns? I think unequivocally,

but yeah, I have Shamaa once. Yeah. I think so. Yes. It was, it wasn't interesting. It was the fight was way more memorable. The Shemaya of one.

Yeah, but one of those fights happened sooner. And I will be frank, I think Belal, like Gilbert Burns, I think is getting old. Now I can't be sure of that, but he looked old against Jorge. Sure. It is, it's better to beat people

before other people beat him, as Colby Covington found out in his career by just cleaning up Kamar Usman's scraps. That's something the fact during his- You just got to do that. And so, yes, if you are, if you're taking all context out of it, a thousand percent, Ballal's win is, is cleaner than Hamzat's win. I am not at all sure it's better because I think that the Gilbert Hamzaa fought was much better than the Gilbert Ballal fought. But they're close enough in time.

I mean, 11 months in sports, so the combat sports is a long time, but it's not like crazy. Excuse me, 13 months. Or I guess really just about a year. 13 months and one fight of the year war. I get it. It's a for sure. I saw Robbie Lawler fight his whole career and he was dope.

And then he fought Carlos Konda and that man was never the same. But I sometimes that just happens. A five round, 250, 45, it's like, it's pretty impressive. That's, that's, that's the case that Damon's making. I totally understand that. Hobbs, that screws up a lot because. That's the thing is, I agree. Like, if you want to put him, Damon's got him number two and I'm not here to talk.

shit at all about it. No. Fine with that ranking. I'm also fine with six. I'd be, I would not be fine with anything lower than like, I mean, honestly, six is probably about as low as you could reasonably go with him,

maybe seven or eight. You and I are both using the same logical Kamsa. If he fought Balal, I would super favor, and at 170, I would super favor Comza. So that's really why I just have one spot above. But if Shama,

if you said, like next cycle, we all kind of decide like, holy crap, is this guy going to fight at 170 again and took him out? I am, I'm probably, Bala will be number three with me.

He'd be number five with you. This is kind of, I don't want to have too much of a tangent, but Hamzat like has handled his inactivity so badly. You think so? I mean, he, today, he's, he was just, tweets today. He was tweeting up a storm today. It's clear he wants to fight.

Like he was, he's, yes. You could tweet about it. How is he not getting a, what is keeping him from getting a fight? I think there are internal, there are internal politics regarding him. I'm sure there are, that make it a little bit more.

to book him than other people. Yes, but he never took responsibility for how badly he must wait. Taking responsibility in this. I'm sorry to you is what you want. I know, at 279, he screwed up their plans and left himself without a division. Like, that's, that's true. No one knows where this guy is 170 or 185 now. So he can say all he wants, oh, I'm going to fight at, I could take fights at either.

Like, we have to see it. So I do, I've got to put, I'm normally pretty pro fighter. I got to put a lot of blame ons up. Oh, yeah, you seemed very pro fighter earlier. Yeah, that's our name. Hey, no, you got to remember, Hanson is over six feet tall. Maybe he's just at six feet.

Okay, loves it. Okay, I'm sorry, I don't see the world at that lens, guys. I'm sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't see the world at that lens.

I'm height blind. I don't have you heard of that. I'm height blind. I honestly, I didn't see too much controversy with Belaw. Like, I understand where people are coming from on all sides of it.

I've always been on the pro below side because I am someone that I like to, if you're out there putting in the work and you're just not getting the opportunity, like, it's hard for me to fall to on that. But ultimately, like, I'm just happy to see him be here finally because he's deserved to be here for a while

and he had to take the longest, most ridiculous road possible to get there. And, you know, like, I'm a Tony Ferguson guy, so I can, that's why I feel so deeply about some of these things because I've watched my guy waste his entire career doing this path. When you have one window and you've got to take advantage of that window, it hurts that it takes so long for some people, but I'm just happy below's here. He deserves to be here.

I think anybody, any of these spots that we're talking about, seem very fair. I didn't see a lot of comments. In the meantime, let's take a quick break. We've got one other thing we're going to hit on the other side. Boarding from flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes. Ugh, what? Sounds like Ojo time. Play Ojo? Great idea.

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Who saw this coming? Iganu, Jones, and now Sergey, right there in that number three spot. This division's a little strange. It's always, heavyweight's always weird, but it's in particular weird right now because a lot of factors going on with Agonu and Jones and everything. I think it's fair to say that a lot of us don't believe that Sergey is going to get his chance to fight Jones. You look at this title picture. It's Jones and Steep Amiochich. They appear to be locked in next. That's probably headed towards fourth quarter of 2023.

And then unless something changes, John continues to say, it's been pretty upfront that like he'll probably call it quits. Unless in Inganu situation maybe comes back on the fold, like it's the steep thing. Steal whatever Stepe has legacy wise and then get out of here. I don't speak, I don't want to speak for y'all. But if I only have one John Jones fight left at heavyweight, 41 year old steep A. Miochich is very much not exactly my number one draft pick. That's not doing a lot. That's ridiculous.

It's just not doing a lot for me. That's a ridiculous statement. Think about all of the wonderful wins that made us love John Jones. They all came against old people who weren't good anymore. This is John Jones's bread and butter. is beating up old dudes who used to meet some shit. We are white in his wheelhouse. We said earlier, you have a process.

You stick to the process. John Jones stick into the process. I mean, is it exactly the process. Let's go back. Can we pull out any other relics from pride for him to beat or middle weights? We can do that too. That'd be great.

What's Dan Henderson, a pride middleweight who once fought a heavyweight relic doing? He would be the ideal opponent for John Jones. Can we pull Michael Bisping out? What's Michael Bisbing? I'm pretty sure Fader said he'd come back for the right money. I'm just saying. All good ideas.

Oh, my God. John would take Fador. All good idea. That would be the best fight. Do that fight for sure. Jed is just drowning himself in Haterade today. Geez, man. Today, how is that anything?

This is me definitely hating. I haven't hated anybody else today. This is absolutely full blown. Well, so in the spirit of the ranking show, I think it's fitting that we put on some matchmaking caps. We're going to do some ranking here. Let's rank our top three most interesting opponents under contract currently. So no and Gano for John Jones.

If you have this one fight left, just one retirement fight left, like what's the draft order for you? And so we just did a quick top three for each other, A.K., you've taken the brunt of the damage on this show. Let me throw to you first. What's your top three fights you would want to see from this last fight for John Jones? Do you want a countdown style three to one? However you want to set it up, it's your world, baby. God, I don't even know if Steepa makes my list. He doesn't make mine, I'll tell you that.

You know, he just got smoked. I mean, there's a part of me that still thinks like Curtis Blades is a fun, it's an interesting matchup for him. Maybe not. I don't know. I get. He shouldn't even be in the discussion after whatever the hell that was against Sergey Paolovitch. But just the, I bought into the hype. I bought, during the best days of Curtis Blades, when he's winning fights, I'm always, I'm always, I'm on that train.

I'm on the, yeah, he can wrestle really well, and he's a true heavyweight. So he still kind of makes my list. Even though he's, I don't know, maybe there's a chance he never gets. It's fine. This is a reasonable take. So he's number three. Sergei, of course, number two. It's number two.

Again, I just want to see this big muskly Russian man get in there with John Jones. I think John personally smokes both these guys. But again, if we're talking about just intriguing challengers, how can you not want to see John step in there with the frigging Ivang Drago-type Sergei Pavlovich guy? I don't know. It's, again, does he want to? Does he care?

Does he even know who Sergey Pavlovich is? I'm amazed. He's never even mentioned him in a deleted tweet. I'm a bad sign, but I still want to see it. Come on, guys. My number one. I mean, he's fighting this weekend. You absolutely.

Oh. The true. The true best headway in the world right now. And if I had more guts, I would rank him there. And I may, after Saturday. We'll see how to see how to say all goes. He won and only Jelton Almeda. Of course.

and I would pick him to beat John Jones. Would you actually, or is this the AK gimmick, or would you actually... It was a bit like a bit, but I support it. Would you actually make that big? Listen, I'm sadly and confusingly, the man responsible for doing the predictions every week for every UFC show. Sadly, when that, when that, if that... If you see my record, you don't know why I'm saying confusingly.

If that fight happens, I am telling you, I'm telling you, I put. I will put it in prints. I will immortalize it on the internet. I will pick Elmada to be them. You can pick them all day. It ain't going to happen though. So you can you can theorize all day about that one. You know,

it just ain't going to happen. So I'll do it. Okay. So I mean, that's a, I feel like that's a good list though. Blades Pavlovich. Almeida.

Where are you at, Jed? Uh, so I, I didn't really rank them because I don't know. If it's just strictly the fight, like what the in cage will look like, Blades will be my number one still.

Number one still, even. Even after all that. John Jones isn't going to Sergey Pavlovich, Curtis Blades. Like, he doesn't have that in him. I don't know what Curtis was doing. I don't think Curtis deserves it at this point, certainly. And he's obviously the dumbest man alive with that particular game plan. But skill for skill, it's still the fight I'm the most interested in because of what John

can do and what Curtis can do and how those things align. my number two, which, and this is a bit predictive, it's Tommy Aspinall when gets his knees back, he can just do a lot. I think if I'm only picking one to actually watch in real life, that's probably number one just because the scenes of doing that. Big title fight in London, be really cool. So all of that.

And Pavlovich isn't going to make my list because I know, I know how that fight goes. I'm extremely aware of what's going to happen. I have no interest in it. I think we are going to see it. I've been on the corner. I don't think John's retiring. I think he's going to work, Steepay.

And then he's going to be like, well, if I get two more wins, I'm the UFC heavyweight goat because I will have defenses. And all I have to do is tackle Sergey Pavlovich. And that shouldn't be that hard. And then I can fight Tom Aspinol and be set. So I think we are going to get Pavlovich. But that's not the one I went with because, again, I'm just so exceedingly confident in how that fight goes that it's just a bit of a

whatever for me. So I just decided, let's have some fun. You know, if I get a third one and it has to be something stupid, maybe Jailton would be fun, but it's the rematch, guys. We all need the rematch. Been building, it's been waiting. It's Parker Porter. Give me Parker Porter for number three. I hate you so much right now. Putting together some weights. He just got his first finish in the UFC. He's about to put a couple more together. And then we can get the rematch. The MMA world has been clamoring for. So that's my number three. I am astonished that you didn't do that, okay. I have a very important follow up.

A, are you looking for current version of Pocopoda? Or are you going like plus 20 pounds like he was before looking great getting off the bus? And B, he was no, there's no chest hair this time. Usually there's a lot of chest hair. Like where, what are we needing? Always always bring the chest hair, particularly if a guy's going to be grappling you. You just want to make things as uncomfortable. possible for him.

I think we need trim, trim down Parker Porter. I don't think we can have the full heavyweighty, heavyweight Parker Porter. Need him to be agile, mobile lethal, lethal, heavyweight in there.

I don't give a shit about Sergey Papplovich. like, he's going to insta tackle him and murder him because I see. saw what Alistair Overeem, who is not nearly the top position grappler that John Jones is due to that man. He will kill Sergey Pavlovich. So if I can't pick Francis Ngano, which I was told explicitly I was not allowed to do, then it's those three because at least Parker Porter's funny. I do love, because you, this is consistent. I will say, you've stayed consistent with this, with this Pavlovich thing throughout this whole run of going back to the Overeem fight. And it's,

So it's really funny to me, like, how much that colors your perspective. Oh, it was bad at the time. That was five years ago at this point. Yes. What has Sergey Pavovich done? Like, I know on paper, he's beaten a lot of people that are ranked, and I'm not here to say that that's bad. It is obviously good to beat Derek Lewis and Tai Tui Vasa and Curtis Blades.

None of those people tried to take him down. But if I see him defend a take down, like, for real, then I'd be like, okay, now things might be interesting with John. I just don't believe it. I don't believe it. Nothing what I've seen teaches me anything other than that dude has a hell of a chin and throws friggin bombs and is like pretty good at finding the chin too. Like he doesn't just wing him.

No, he's not just chucking meatboxes at him. So not very good fighter, but I don't, this is this run, although resembling Francis Ngano's surge up the top, is not nearly as impressive as Ngano's was to me because like all of the commensurate parts of it are just worse. And I think John Jones would absolutely tune Sergey Pavitch up. Well, I agree with, I agree with the Inganu part of that statement. It's just, it's very curious because you're very consistent. And I respect the consistency, frankly. We're talking, there's a lot of consistency talk on this show today. And I respected that this has been your

process for. I might be the most consistent man in, in the world. You know, if AK is the fairest, I may be the most consistent, man. I've heard that. People are saying. A metronome. I have heard people are saying. David, what are you, what's your top three for John Jones? Boy, I tell you what, some of these picks.

Stand up for O. H, Damon. Although I do, I do appreciate the Port, the Port, the Port, the, the Port, the, uh, Parker Porter pick there. Sorry. You almost, you almost called it. I, you almost said it. I did it. Almost did it.

I do appreciate that one. Almost. appreciate that one. Number three, I will go with the fight that will never happen, but it is interesting, Jelton Almeida. I think he is a future heavyweight champion. He's just not going to get there before Jones is done. I just, I mean, beating Jarsino is going to be a good,

you know, it'll be a good one-round fight this weekend. What if Jarzino knocks him out? Would it be the funniest thing that's happening? And then they're fighting might go offline for like an entire 24 hours, if that happened. After what happened to on your knees, Jelton would be unranked so fast. That would be the end of him.

All I want is to happen. Got to be. Yeah, Jalton on made a number three. You will hear no Tom Aspinall argument mine. He is, he is to me what Sergey Pabovich is to Jed. Completely overrated. I am not a Tom Aspinall believer. I think he's barely top ten in terms of talent.

Wow. I think he will get washed. I think he will get washed by a lot of good heavyweights. He'll win some too, but I don't think he's, I don't put him at the top of that list. I don't put them in there. Number two, surprise, let me be the only one on the panel that will go this route. Number two, I will go with Stevie Miochich because Stebe is the biggest fight possible.

Of course. Inganu gone, Steve A is the biggest fight possible. I've always said Steve A's wrestling would be interesting to see how he matches up with John. He is a really, really good wrestler. And if there is any gas left in that tank, it could be an interesting fight because he doesn't have to worry about the one-punch knockout power from Jones that he had to worry about with Inganu. and take that away, and Steve A does have one punch knockout power, and we all know heavy weights stick around longer than anybody else.

Heavy weights are good. Like at 38, you're in your prime at heavyweight. So, I mean, Francis Ngano is like, what is he? He's like 37. Is he like 36, 37? So it's like he's in his prime and he's near that age. So heavy weights age differently. So Steve A of 41 feels differently than every other weight class of 41.

So Steve A number two. And I disagree with Jed, number one. Ohio repping for Ohio. Of course, of course. And number one, I do go Sergey Pavlovich because he does, he is, listen, we're not going to get, we're not going to get Francis. We all know that. We've said that. You're, the closest you're going to get is the Russian in Ghana, which is Sergey Pavlovich, the guy who can put you out with one punch.

And yes, I agree. His ground game against over him was atrocious. And chances are, yes, Jones will go out there and tackle him and just elbow him into the ground. But on the off chance, he can shuck off a takedown. and lend a couple punches on a guy who's never been hit as hard as he will be hit at heavyweight. I would be really interested to see how Jones reacts to that. Again, chances are he's going to just fly across the octagon and full on, as Jed said, body tackle, Sergei Pavlovich.

But on the off chance, he doesn't get it done. He doesn't get the takedown. Or Jones suddenly turns stupid and decides his kickbox with him for five minutes. Sergei can put him out. So I am, I am curious about that. And again, I think it's the same as the Inganu fight. I think Jones will go out there and flying tackle in Ganu and beat him on the ground too. So this is the closest we're going to get.

So I will say Sergey, Stebe, Jelton. Can I just remind you that every time John Jones has fought a dude who can punch him really hard, it's been the worst fight possible to watch. Yes, that's also. Tiago Santos was a terrible fight to watch because John Jones was like, I will not engage with you, man, who can punch hard. Sergey Pavlovich is either going to be an immediate drubbing a la Cirogan, or it's going to be a teep-infested, awful, awful point fight from John Jones,

neither of which I care about. But I will say, I will say, as bad as the Tiago Santos fight was, even with Tiago with no knees, uh, Tiago Santos hits hard. He doesn't hit Sergei Pavlovich hard. So, you know, I would be interested to see. other than Francis. I do, because I see where you're coming from,

but I do wonder if the teep infested, jab infested, I'm just going to dance around you thing, is as easily executed at heavyweight where people could just be like, man, I don't care about a lot of this. I'm just going to rush inside. Like it feels like that's a little bit easier,

not easier. Oh, no, I think it's even more. You think so? The first round, the first round will be tense. And then Sergey, you will,

I would bet you pick a number that that man has, Cardio for seven minutes tops. He just don't have it. There's no way. Look at that dude. You think that dude's putting in the road work? He can do this for 25 minutes and chucking those bits.

We haven't had to see it. We haven't needed to see it. I know we haven't. So that's what I'm saying. John is either going to instant tackle him. If he does stuff a take down, the next five minutes will be tense, tense and dramatic. You know what? And then it will be awful.

At least you get seven minutes of tense fighting because otherwise we all know what's going to have with John against most other heavyways. the problem. At least you get seven minutes of serious intrigue because I can get 25 minutes of back and forth with Paco porta. I know which one I'm taking. I mean, I can't. That fight, I will, I would, I would take the under of two and a half minutes of that fight on John Jones. Two and a half minutes. Oh, easy. And I almost on Pacoota, yes. That was that two or two and a half minutes, I take the under. I don't, and I don't say two and a half minutes. You're really going out of a limb there, David. I know. Well, I'm just saying, I'm just saying like, you know, maybe he,

feels like I would have said sub one minute, but you know, I give a little bit of credits like dancing around the octagon. He did lose some weight. Maybe he moves a little bit, keeps John on the outside for 90 seconds where he gets bum rushed and destroyed. But, you know, two and a half minutes seems fair. What John Jones should do is he should fight Parker Porter, but with stipulations. You know those are like fun stories in the NBA where it's like, yeah, Larry Bird was bored, so he decided he was only going to shoot with his left hand this game. That's what John should do at heavy wave. Like, I will fight. I will remit. I will remit. match park reporter, but I can only attack with my left side.

I can only throw, I can only, the lead up to that would be the most fun. I know, I would have all the fun in the world. It would be so disrespectful and then he would still rinse my man and it would be great. He would still be like a minus 210 favorite. That is a low number. Yeah. I would hammer minus two 10. The best part of discussion like is, and also somewhat sad that was like, I wish, I hope John Jones

sticks around out of the steepy fight. Because, like, just talking about this with you guys, like, there are, like, I know we, we crap on heavyweight all the time, but there are a lot of, like, kind of fun fights at heavyweight for him. Not saying guys who are, like, huge, I disagree. Yeah, wait. You know, I know, I, like, I would love to see him fight Tom Aspinall. I'd love to see him fight Curtis Blades.

I'd love to see him fight, Problemitch. Like, these are cool fights. I find that interesting that that was your takeaway from doing this exercise, because I was going to bring up, well, my takeaway from doing this exercise was, I thought heavier, heavyweight was more fun than it actually is. I think the reality of heavyweight. No, heavyweight is fun.

You just can't have good people in it. Fair. That's fair. I guess because I was putting together my list and everyone I have on my list, we've already mentioned. I had Blades number three because like you, Jet, I think that in AKs well, I think that matchup still intrigues me to some degree,

but at this point I have no faith that Curtis would go in there and not being dumb. Like, maybe he's. He would probably pick up. the dumbest possible outcome, whatever it is. If I know that Curtis is going to go in there and try to wrestle, John, that would be my number one. one.

I just don't have faith in that anymore. I picked Curtis to, I thought Curtis was going to wash Sergey with the wrestling, and then he went in there and didn't do any of it. So didn't we all, David. He didn't stick to the game plan. And so that's why, that's why he made the cane mistake. I'm with both of you about Curtis. Curtis would have been my number one pick.

I thought he was the guy to could give John Jones the toughest fight. now I have zero faith in that because he couldn't go out there and secure. Didn't even bother going for its eight down. And see, that's why I think John's coming back. And that was also hilarious. Come on. I agree. I don't know if it was hilarious.

I wanted Curtis to get there. Like, I've wanted this man to get where he should be getting and he's just not there. Number two. I'm with you. Number two for me was Sergey. And I part of me wanted to put him at number one, but I think I just, I've known you too long, Jed. And you've like subtly inceptioned in my head this over.

Overeem thing. And like, even my own itself, I said, this is five years ago, but I can't get it out of my head now whenever we talk about him. Because you're right, that fight, if you go watch it, it's incredibly bad and very revealing five years ago. But like, every time I think about it, it's hard for me to get out of my head of just like, that's what I thought the Curtis Blades fight would be with him, where Curtis's just going to take him down and smash him because Overeem did.

I still am interested to see John fight somebody in that Francis power puncher, gigantic man who gets off the bus looking tremendous mode, because that's just not something that John has fought. Like Cyril Gaon isn't that guy. He's not really that big one-shot guy. I don't know. I think I'd know how that would go as well. But that's my number two.

And my... I just feel like I'd have so much regret. If that fight went exactly what... Or I think we all would... I would just be like, man, this was... This is bad. I wish we had done something different than this. Yeah, yeah, which is fair.

And then my number one, and this is sort of where I landed of like, man, heavy weight isn't as fun with this type of thing as I thought it would be. Because my number one was Tom Aspinall. And I think just because Tom's... a very well-rounded guy who has a lot of really interesting traits and athleticism and things like this youth athleticism that like would give maybe John some trouble.

But like that's not, I don't know that that's getting me going right now. I like it. I'm into it. I'm too far as well. When I was not going to get to win, I would be very into it. But guys, I'm back. This conversation, this podcast, this podcast, this episode has brought back to Prince of positivity in me.

I thought we've had some lively non-judgmental discussions. And I'm like super excited. I'm like legitimately super interested. And I know he's probably not fighting more than twice. And the second fight is only if they can get Francis and Godo to come back. But like three to four times guys. I want you to be right. I imagine it.

I want you to sign like a, but I don't think. Dude, if Curtis Blades had been Sergey Pavlovich and he would have had to fight Curtis Blades, no, because that's a high risk, lower one fight. Didn't he sign a,

look at the rest of this ass of a weight division. He might get to fight Ty Tuivasa for a title defense. I would love that. I just don't think the risk management side of John, the guy who would not fight John on short notice, would not, I don't think he's going to want to just keep going in here against these dudes when he has the

Stipei legacy already in his hand. Can you just let me imagine the most fun scenario where he fights Stepe, he fights Sergei Pavlovich, he fights Jelton Omeida, he beats Jailton, Francis Ngano comes back, he fights France, like, let me imagine this, let me imagine the best of all possible worlds of John Jones being

at heavyweight. Because when you, when you start, when you start really digging you into it though in terms of matchup and i understand like you can sit there and say like he you know he's not the same guy he's awful all those kind of things but realistically realistically when you talk about all the ways that sergey pavlovich can't fight john jones and you talk about all the ways that it would be hilariously stupid to put him in there were tied to evasa or any of these other guys who just have no chance whatsoever to beat john jones tell me that at least at least even if it's two percent that Stephen Miochish doesn't still stand the best chance

of outside of, you know, getting, called with a haymaker by Sergey, you know what I mean? Like, he still has a better chance than most other guys. I understand Jelton Almeida, I think Jelton Almeida is the future. He's just not there yet, and he's not going to be. Let's just be realistic. John's not sticking around to fight a Jelton Almeida. It's just not going to get,

that's actually a dangerous fight, much like Curtis Blades. He ain't going to stick around for that. So, really, the fights we eat, just like Aspenham. He ain't sticking around for Aspinall either. That's just not a name. John probably has no idea who Tom Aspinall is. So of the guys who he may realistically fight,

and I'm saying Sergey, Sergei, Stipe, again, I still throw, I mean, I don't think he's going to fight Curtis plays, but guys near the top of the division, at least Stebe's got an outside chance of pulling it off. He has an outside chance of pulling it off.

It's so deeply. I think he's got better shot than Sergey does. I would put Curtis over Stepe though. Stepe, if this was Steepay of three years ago, I would be right there. with you, Damon, but just like a steepe coming off, a two-year layoff in his 40s, like, I don't, it just doesn't get me. I'm not saying you're, I'm not saying you're totally wrong.

I'm just saying, like, again, like John Jones washes most everybody else. I can't say, do I think he beats Stepe? Yes. Do I think it's a completely one side of fight? Do I think it's a completely one side of fight? Like, Stevie has no chance. No, because Steve-be does have, if Steve-be comes in looking good. And again, I know that's a big if because it's two years away and all that kind of stuff.

but he has weapons that could give John Jones problems far more than Sergey or, in my opinion, Tom Aspinall or, you know, a lot of the other guys right now. Now, again, those guys could get better. And maybe Sergey, maybe Sergey has been just spending all of his weekends in Dagestan getting ready for wrestling. We have no idea because we have had to see it. And Curtis Blades refused to even bother to try to take him down. But again, Steve has got a better chance than that. Like, he actually has wrestling and he does have knockout power.

and that's the last thing to go is a heavyweight. Well, let me just say, you might be the only one who gets to find out because I do believe there's a chance that he, I mean, he said in himself that maybe he just retired to Stipe if they can't bring Francis back. So again, I'm really excited about the possibilities, but Steebe might, that might be it.

It might be the one that it goes beyond discussion actually becomes a... We might be talking about a double retirement. Let's be honest. If Steve somehow pulls off a win and being on a giant... Not even a might. Steve is never fighting with him. This is double retirement fight.

Yeah. I don't think, again, I'm firmly on the corner. I think John's going to stick around. Here's the other thing. Even if he retires, he's 35. He can just sit out for two, three years and come back and still be the median age of the top fighters in this weight class. Like, he's, this will not be John Jones' last fight. Of that, I'm extremely confident.

A.K., let me paint you the picture. Maybe double retirement fight. we see it at the end of the year. Jelton Almeida elevates himself, rises to become the next great UFC heavyweight champion. It is his greatness that brings John Jones back out of retirement like two years from now. Just like Charles Olivera was going to bring Habibn and Ramagamato out of retirement.

I love it, Shaheen. I love her heads out. There we go. It's going to be Jelton Almeida. It's going to be Jelton Almeida versus Sergei Pavlovich for the vacant title after Jones and Steve. Good. Honestly, that is a fight I want more than a.

anything. Just a true striker versus Grappler matchup. We figured it. And Cirque's got the size of the power. You got to give him that. Like you will have a lot of size on Jelton. Jelton is not a big heavyweight. Yeah. No, Jelton's a light heavyweight masquerading in a dog shit division.

That's a good business model. We did it. You're welcome. You're welcome. You're welcome. UFC. Well, that about wraps it up for us. Usually we would end this show with some welcomes and pour one out with some goodbyes, but there really wasn't any this cycle. Do we have no? Nobody dropped off. Nobody dropped out of the rankings.

The only person that entered the rankings and seven out of eight ballots was Henry Sohudo. And so that's it. That there is no one. He's right. Hey, welcome. Welcome back to the rankings, Henry Suhudo. Controversial. Controversial.

That's it. You know, welcome back, Henry. No goodbyes, which I guess is a good thing. Henry, AK and Derek Cleary both. No, no, Derek Cleary loves you. No, Derek Cleary hates Al Jermaine Sterling. But AK also hates Al Jermaine Sterling. So it works out.

No, Derek Cleary hates Seharto. No, no, that's right. I fucked that joke up. Hold on, so we know how tall Derek Cleary is. Because A.K. might still hate him. I wouldn't know, because I don't see those things. I'm just saying there's a

chance out there. Anyway. There's a reason why Hasbba. There's a reason why Hasbola is not ranked in the neighborhood rankings. It's all because of AK. I support that. Also, because he just got arrested. So I did see that. Did he? I missed that.

Geez. There's a whole other show. Traffic violations or something. It's not the major. It's a cliphanger. Let's end it on there. This has been a fun show. This is the anime fighting breaking show.

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