MMA Fighting - The A-Side Live Chat | Anderson Silva’s Future, MMA's Popularity In Brazil, Leon Edwards' Title Hopes, UFC 265's Lineup, UFC Vegas 30, More

Episode Date: June 23, 2021

For this episode, José Youngs, Guilherme Cruz, & E. Casey Leydon react to some of the biggest stories in MMA. Some topics include fallout from UFC Vegas 29, Ige, Anderson Silva's thrilling victory over Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., Gleison Tibau's controversial win over Rory MacDonald, Leon Edwards' UFC title aspirations, the current landscape of MMA in Brazil, and more. Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Follow Guilherme Cruzi: @guicruzzz Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The Downloaded 2. Ghosts in the Machine. Available now, only from Audible. We're live, pal. Hey, we're live, pal. Welcome everyone to another episode of the 8th. side live chat here on mhmap fighting.com. I am of course your host Jose Youngs. It is a beautiful overcast day in Phoenix, Arizona. We got our first rain and I think about two months, so that's enjoyable. It's a little cloudy. So it's not 120 anymore. It's about 101. So we'll take it.

We'll take what we can get. But no one cares about the weather here in Arizona. I want to welcome a very special guest. We've wanted to have him back on the show for a while now, but he's been a little busy. He's a new dad. But now that we have some Brazilian news in the fight, Brazilian news going on in the world, in the fight world right now, we decided to bring him back, and he was gracious enough to give us his time. Welcome back, everyone. Garmac Cruz, how's new dad life? It's chaotic. It knows that all, but it's fun. It's beautiful. And of course, on the ones and producer extraordinaire. You know them from between the links. You know him from post-preview shows and all that good jazz. Casey Leiden, how's Englewood? Poser. I got a fresh can of La Croix.

Isn't it La Croix? La Croix. Hipped your water. This is the best flavor. Limoncello. I was kind of ants. I was on the fence. The only flavor I've not tried. I think key lime is the best flavor. Key lime's good, but limoncello. That's it. All right. It's almost creamy. I don't know how they do it. It's weird magic. Yeah. Next time I go to the store, that'll be the next one I try. Gee, have you ever had a Laquois? I've never heard about it in my life. It's just fizzy carbonated water that has flavor in it.

Zero calories. Zero calories. So if you want to get that crisp taste of soda, I'm doing all in the marketing. I'm also dog sitting a dog. We're dog sitting. So we have this dog running around my feet right now. Maybe she'll make an appearance. Lucy is just absolutely enamored by this television that's not even on front of me. Anyway, but you guys know the drill. You can ask questions in the comment section on Twitter. We're all live on Facebook.

We're live on Periscope. We're live on YouTube. Casey's Man in the comment section. We've got a bunch of questions coming in. But, of course, we got Anderson Silva in the news. We got Glyson Tebow in the news. We got a lot of Brazilian fighters in the news for the right and wrong reason. So we decided to bring the M.A., of course.

So any Brazilian questions you have in the fight world. We got the perfect guest for you. Or regular questions. Or regular questions. Or regular questions. But it's not every day we can get someone from the Giamese part of the world on the show. So, of course, Casey, what is our first quote? What do you got to say?

No, I want to do that question right now. But did you know it is winter in Brazil right now? Yeah. What? How does that work? How does that work? With the earth being flat and all? I don't get it.

Yeah, it's crazy. How does it happen? I don't know. Yeah. I don't. I don't know. Your thermocats are broken over there. All right. All right. Let's get some questions.

It's start of Andy. Four Corner Sports, NY on Twitter. And so it looks pretty good in this boxing match with Hugo, Caesar Chavez, Jr. Is this possibly something he should do more since he had a good performance? And what about Roy Jones, Jr. be the fight to make hashtag the A-side. So we're going to use Mr. Four Corner Sports's questions to just talk in general, Gierme, I'm sure you watched.

Casey, I know you watched because we did a watch along together. You could go watch it after. Anderson Silva looked better than ever. I can't remember the last time he looked that good in any sort of combat sports. Not only did he beat Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., who is, of course, the son of Huulio Cesar Chavez Sr., one of the greatest, if not the greatest boxers of all time. He did it in the boxing ring, not the M.A. ring. And he looked incredible.

I think I even saw the score. the unofficial scorecards on the broadcast had him winning all but one round. I think he only lost one rounds on the unofficial scorecard. He looked awesome in there. Gamei, what were your initial thoughts after watching Anderson Silva's fight against Gillesius-Chavez-June? I was amazed. It was the first time, Minnesota Silva, put on a fantastic performance since Bonner, like nine years ago.

It was amazing to watch. I won't say I was surprised because I think Anderson Silva's, boxing is way better than the ones from MMA fighters that we are used to seeing doing the crossover. Most recently been asking, we can't even compare the two of them. But to be able to do that against someone who has like 60 pro fights, 50 pro fights, it was so real to watch. And it just got me wondering how well and it's just what we've done. If Danis had allows him to do some boxing matches back when he was the UFC champion, he was trying to box Roy Jones Jr. and all that.

If he was able to do that now as 45 or 46 years of age, imagine a prime minister of what he would be able to accomplish in boxing. Casey, I know we got your thoughts while the fight was happening. But now that it's been a few days to digest, any new thoughts on Anderson's performance against Chavez Jr. I just know, more than anything, I didn't realize how a strong victory, a strong just performance from Anderson Silva,

would just open up the world, it felt like in terms of just imagination. It's like, oh, my God, Anderson Silva can fight Roy Jones, Anderson Silva can fight Mike Tyson. Anderson Silva, I don't know, could box beat toward Belfort. I don't know. There's like, there's just, like,

I put it out there in the world that I were freaking, love to see Anderson Silva in a boxing match versus Chal Sunnan. You know, something like that. I don't know why, but like, I just want to see it. And I think more than anything, that's what kind of Anderson Silva does. And that's what he's always done. He just kind of, he lets, your imagination goes wild when you watch Anderson Silva fight. When he's moving, he's smiling, he just, he looks like he's just doing sorcery out there in a sense.

you just you you you think of bigger things for the sport you know you grand you know spectacles and I think that's what kind of brought that's what that was the feeling it brought back watching Anderson Silva have fun in the cage and be successful he's just you know smiling fun in the ring sorry yeah yeah yeah you know him slapping his leg like come on let's fight let's do it now back himself in the corner kind of you know all uh stephen bonner you know in the Brazil and it was just it was just fun and Anderson Silva being 46 is like, that's just ridiculous. Baffling.

But yeah, just cool. The negative side of me, the pessimistic side's like, well, Anderson Silver was whatever. Chavez Jr. is a joke, you know. But I'm going to say positive and just think that was the best Chavez Jr. And Anderson Silva whipped up on him, eight rounds of zero, you know. Come on, let's go. Hey, win is a win, and he looks better than ever. Chavez Jr. also missed away, so Anderson Silva left.

100k richer than he would then he initially thought he was going to not bad not bad not bad at all for a fighter that was quote unquote kicked out of the ufc for getting knocked out by your eye hall who's also looked better than ever like your anderson was not losing a bums in the ufc either yeah but germay what was the the feeling in in brazil when anderson silver won i feel like this this match was flying under the radar in a bit in a sense because it was stream live in a in a platform that I had never heard about before in my life. And I don't think, like, the casual fan knew that MS-Satio was fighting Saturday. I think they just found out about it, like, on Saturday night, just hours before it was happening.

And, but on Sunday, I got a lot of texts. That's when I know that something big happened when I got a lot of texts from people that aren't, like, hardcore fans. They text you and I got a lot of text to him and I did he's incredible he's amazing

so I think that it helps his case and I wonder what this means for his future in MMA if he chooses to come back there were a lot of

promoters saying they were interesting in signing him after he left the UFC like Bellator or KSW a lot of promoters

I think only Rising said that they were interesting in signing him so I wonder if that changes their opinions on Anderson Silva

if they are really to sign him now after what he did in boxing. I don't know. I don't know if what he did in Boston would be possible if he was fighting MMA with small gloves and his team obviously isn't the same that he used to be.

But I wonder if that changes his plans for the future. But I think boxing should be his way, especially getting paid a lot of money. I don't think he's going to get paid that much if he comes back to M.A. Yeah, I want to see him continue to this boxing run. I also know he told our own David Martin when he interviewed him

that Anderson Silva said he was done with M.MA and kind of wants to pursue this boxing thing. I know the Roy Jones Jr. fight was brought up immediately after, but he wants to take professional fights. He doesn't want to take exhibition fights. So Casey, last question on this. And I'll pose this question to you again, Guillermo. If you're Anderson Silva's team, which fight do you want to see him take next? Are we talking about money?

too or is it just pure like i mean money money money kind of changes everything but i think money and i we can factor in everything okay everything um yeah the one will also be will also be realistic too because everyone wants to see like george a pierre but like no i want like a realistic fight oh my god george a pierre crap i would love i mean um for anderson i mean lucrative wise me i would think one of the paul brothers I think Logan, honestly, just money-wise. I mean, I know I don't want to see it, but I feel like that's a fun fight. And Logan doesn't seem like he's not the trash.

Like Jake seems like the trash talking one. Logan seems kind of the happier one. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Where Logan Paul is in his life now. I mean, what Jake is doing now is what Logan was doing a few years ago. You just get, you just grow up as he puts it. So the older brother is more mature now.

Which one is older brother? Logan. You can remember because L comes before J in the alphabet, so Logan came before Jake. Okay, okay. Makes sense. Okay, okay. Logan seems the little bit more chill one. And I don't think Jake versus, regardless what happens in the Widdly fight, Jake versus Anderson makes that much sense because I don't know, I don't, trash talking Anderson doesn't really feel right.

It won't work, yeah. Yeah, it won't work. But Logan, I'm just talking money. I'm just talking money-wise. Logan versus Anderson. I think it's a very winnable fight for Anderson. And it'd be exciting. I don't know.

I'm all about it. I mean, obviously, I don't want to see Anderson versus, you know, Golofkin or anything crazy like that. But anyone in the top 50, whatever. Well, it's weird because beating Julio Souser Chavez Jr., like, Julio Souser Chavez Jr., is a highly, like, he's a very good boxer. I've said a thousand times.

I don't quite respect him as much in the boxing. Well, but he is a very good, like, he was a former champion who has fought like Canello and all these guys. So I feel like he came in real hot right away. And now if he faces any other these active boxers, it might be a little bit of a step down. But, Germay, before we move on in the next one, who would you want to see, Anderson fight next? I mean, I find that would make a lot of sense is the vitro rematch in boxing. Victor is calling for it, but I don't know if Anderson Silva has anything to gain from it. The fighting UFC was just perfect for him.

It made him a superstar. So fighting Victor again in boxing in an era that Victor is so good at. And we have to see how Victor looks against Austria-Del-Hoya too. And Victor is saying that he's fighting Holyfield in December. Victor is always promoting a lot of stuff. I don't know if that's actually going to happen, but that would be good. I don't know how big that would be in the U.S., but he and Brazil, that would be just epic. You can just fill a soccer stadium with them boxing.

Vitor and Anderson would fill a soccer stadium? Yeah, I think so. If and what a well, I think it would. Because Vitor is just a superstar. Anderson says it was a superstar. Of course, not right now because we have COVID here in Brazil. We still have that. I don't know if you remember how was that.

sure yeah but uh but i think that would be big wow if it can fill a sock stadium yeah do that if it's that big uh i know mike tyson's going to come out with his legends only league but but if if if you're doing a fight in the u.s you're getting you're getting paid in dollars you don't need a fight that fills out at soccer stadium yeah to be more look at lucrative than a fight here in brazil you know Tyson, why not Anderson and Delaware then, if, if Delaware pieces up, Vitor Belfort? Or just have Anderson Silver's sign with the Legends Only League with Mike Tyson, which was announced but has no events yet. So to be determined, selfishly, I still want to see the Roy Jones fight. And I think everyone wants to see it.

But I just put this out there, it would be a little bit negative. If we keep pushing these guys out there, eventually we're going to have a very sad night where we're going to see Anderson laid out flat. And we're all going I don't think this fight was a good idea after the fact. But coming into it, we're like, yeah. So I'm just like, I mean, if Oscar like whoops up on Vitor, are we going to go,

yeah, now do that to Anderson. I mean, I mean, as much as I want to see it, we have to, we also have to be emotionally prepared to, you know, this is still the fight. This is still the hurt business, you know, so. Yeah. I want to see it. Oscar de Aloha is also,

also only like five, nine. So he's not that tall. He's also a smaller. guy compared to Anderson. So it might be one of those like six foot three Anderson versus a very highly skilled old boxer that is much shorter than him. So yeah, that's something to take in the consideration too. But I just wish you a few million dollars. I was like, okay, Anderson versus Delaware, Anderson versus Mayweather. Let's just, here's 10 million dollars. Have fun. Do it. Unfortunately, yeah, they want to get paid. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you for the question for Corner Sports, NY. From Bobby Adkins on Twitter. Who gets first title, who gets title shot first? Edwards at 170 or Darren Till at 185? Well, I'm on record saying Leon Edwards will never, ever get a title shot. Not because he doesn't deserve it, because that's just the luck of the draw. And I feel like the UFC has constantly given Darren Till these, if he wins this, he gets title shot. Also, Kamar Usman's not really saying Leon Edwards right now,

in Israel-Aisana, it brings up Daryntil a lot as possible opponents. So my answer is going to be Daryntil. What do you say? That's a tough one. Because if Daryantle is really going to fight Derek Brunson, I think a win gets him a title shot after. Whitaker, yeah. Whitaker.

So I would say, too, because Leon Edwards, we have no idea what U.S. is going to do if they're going to give Kobe the next status shot. I guess it was money and then who's next. If someone comes up, it's easier to leapfrog Leon Edwards at 170, unfortunately for him. Casey, all rephrase this question. Who gets the next? Who gets the title shot first? Leon Edwards or Nate Diaz?

Oh, Nate Diaz. Not about it out. I mean, this, the UFC is a business in a sport. Yeah. And Kamar Usman is a businessman. You know, he's a great fighter. Might be the greatest Walter Roy ever coming, you know, who knows. But Mara Usman has a bank account.

And Nate Diaz will fill it up way more than Leon Edwards, both the UFC and himself. So, yeah, I don't know. Oh, look who we have. Just who just woke up. We have a new making. Just woke up. MMA fighting debut. Oh, man.

Have you? How much? Have you ever seen something more beautiful on MMAfighting.com? That is so cute. My hair. My mama. My name? Bye.

It's Maya. Yeah. There you go. Her first fist pose. I was talking to Jose. She was sleeping like for an hour. But I can't say out loud. She's sleeping because she woke up right away.

She'll hear those words. That's how it works. Yeah. She hears it. You put it out on the ether. That's what happens. Yeah. Man.

Leanne Edwards is even getting overshadowed by. Yeah, yeah. So this is what Leon Edwards needs to do, get a title shot. Step on a baby. Sorry, Leon. Sorry, Leon. Oh, man. That's funny.

Poor Leon. Poor Leon. He said you could fight her too. It sucks. Oh, what do we got here? What do we got here? Here, you? Now we have another dog.

she just wanted to play fetch all of a sudden my goodness it's a hyper dog i try to pick her up and she's like no we're playing fetch now no uh babies have a way of jumping into podcast that's true aunt long time uh co-host he's been on a few times he's he's i believe he's is he he's having his second kid if not they haven't already but yeah he's uh yeah new babies always have a way of just jumping on the podcast train here on MMA fighting. All right. Next question.

Anthony, thank you for the comment, Anthony Walker. Jeez. All right, here we go. Where are we at? Where we at?

Another question from four corner sports. With UFC 264 taking place in a little over two weeks, top to bottom. Is this the best cut of the year? And if not, which is. With Wonder Boy and Burns,

Wonderboy versus Burns, the co-man event, should the winner sit out for the title shot or fight Leon Edwards if Usman versus Colby is booked later this year. So yes, Guy, is UFC4 to answer this first question? Is UFC 24 the best card of the year? I think so. 262 was a great one.

I'm kind of having trouble. Remember all cards because for the last eight weeks, I haven't slept that much. my memory gets confused but yeah the main card the main card at 264 is Poria McGregor 3 Gilbert Burns versus Stephen Thompson

Taitoie Vasa versus Greg Hardy Idao Aldana versus Janette's Kruynat Skaya and of course Sean O'Malley versus Louis Smolka and then the featured prelims are Carl's Condit, Max Griffin Nico Price from Michelle Pereira then of course you also have Sean Brady

Kevin Lee, Driggs de Plus Trevin Giles and then you got Ryan Hall on the ESPN plus slash fight pass prelim So top to bottom Yeah that's It's a spot one

It's pretty good I don't think it's the best main card I think the best main card was 261 Now is the Jacksonville one That was the three title fights on one You also had Wyden and Riah Hall On that card 263 was pretty stacked

But the prelims left much to be desired In terms of action I think But Casey top to bottom UCC4 The best scheduled card of the year so far we can't hear you Casey you're muted you can hear you're muted Casey oh excuse me sorry the landscapers came so it was very it was very bad side um I was gonna say it's definitely not the best main card of the year not the best you know you paid the money for the

pay per view not the best one but the car top the bottom um it's up there for sure it's a it's a very it's a very good card lots of lots of fights with significance and um yeah lots of fights i want to yeah fighters i want to see and fights that matter yeah yeah Yeah. Legal Price, Michelle Pereer. Come on. That's not it. That's the rules. Yeah. And I appreciate the UFC putting Ryan Hall on the early prelims because they know, and this is good on the UFC because they know people will pay 80, 90 bucks to see Ryan Hall fight, anyone, but they're giving away for free in the early prelims. And I appreciate that, Dana. Helping us, helping the, helping the poor fan out.

I don't, I don't think they want to put Ryan Hall and Connor McGregor on the same main card because you don't want to waste two talent. on a pay-per-view. Yeah. You know? You know the at old professional wrestling thing where you're gone for a long time and then you kind of reintroduce them. Then the next time they're on a massive car. I think that's what we're doing in Ryan Hall.

Obviously. Anyway, second part of the question. Wonderboy versus Burns, co-made event. Should the winner sit out for a title shot or fight Leon Edwards? Casey? Money-wise, it makes sense to sit out because I don't think fans really understand what a jump in pay you get for title fights. And especially if you win that title fight, all the pay-per-view money that you get.

So for selfish reasons, for selfish reasons, I say, heck no, whoever wins, you fight Leon Edwards tomorrow. But career-wise, yeah, they should probably sit it. They should probably wait. And take the heat from the fans. And Dana will say they don't want to fight, you know, all that crap. But, yeah. But, yeah, I would hope.

I would hope. I don't think Gilbert Burns is going to wait for anyone. Giver Burns is going to want to fight like every single week. But, Gierme, same question. And I don't think Gierreberg gets a title shot with this win. Well, you're right. Yeah, I'm sorry. Gilber Burns probably out of the equation.

I think if, if Wernleyer wins, he can have a case just to sit out and wait for a title shot. But I think Burns has to fight more. I don't think Gipa Burns is counting on just one win to get another title shot. So we just book him against Leon next. if he wins. Yeah, especially because if the UFC is going to London, like they keep teasing, they might need some main events in the UK scene. So Leon Edwards, Wonder Boy would be a real fun main event for a number one contender.

Last time Wonder Boy went over to the UK for a main event, though, it didn't really work out for him. Got hosed, I think. That was the Darringtonil fight. Anyway. I forgot about that fight. Was that fight good? It was just kind of...

It was Stephen Thompson, Darren Till. It was like, same thing as the Robert. Whitaker Darantill fight. It was a lot of, like, feints and it was very technical. But I think a lot of people think Stephen Thompson won. Darren Till dropped him, I think, at the very end of the fight, and he won on the judge. He also missed White before that fight. And then the next fight, he lost to Tyron Woodley, and then got caoed bad by Hoare Mazur,

and then went up to 185. Till got a title shot off missing weight? Yep. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah. Interesting. That was the, that was when whoever did was running his vlog. put out that video of him

cutting weight and he like went blind cutting weight he was like that's like I'm like what are you doing man this is terrible that's also no never mind wrong when Mazv I get the line I get the Mazvi doll to and the Wonderboy till fights mixed up

because they were both in the UK in terms of like fight week let me bring up some YouTube comments Can we see Jose's dog well it's not my dog Julie and I are watching our friends are out of town

and they have this little dog Lucy who is just very hyper right now but yeah she is not Lucy is not my dog she's very chill dog though maybe she comes back I'll try to pick her up alright

here we go question for Guillermo what is the popularity of MMA in Brazil these days compared to 10 years ago when there were so many Brazilian champ so interesting question Guillermo I think everyone kind of knows

it's not near the peak that it was when you had like Anderson was running on top you had Josealdo even Junior Josanto how many UFC champions are there now two Oliver and Amanda and then you have a bunch you have well we just lost one in Bellator but you got a few in Bellator too but I don't know how popular Bellator is in Brazil so what is the popularity of MMA down there these days

it's uh it's lower than game than what it used to be of course, but, uh, yeah, I don't think, uh, Charles Olivera is,

it's, it's, it's, it's nowhere near the level that Josealdo ever was, or Anderson Silver, or Big Nog or Preeto Belfour. Uh,

but he's, he's trying, he's trying hard to, to, to get to that level. Of course, Davidson's loss was, was a,

a big hit for, for the market for UFCS's plans here. Bellator isn't that big here yet. I don't, I don't, I still don't get white. They just won't come to Brazil. I know that it's not going to be a profitable event for them.

They're not going to make a lot of money like they probably are doing events in the U.S. or are doing events in Italy, Israel, and all those random markets. But you have so many Brazilian fighters. You have to be willing to spend some money, just burn some money doing events here to grow your brand and all. It doesn't make sense for me that they are not coming here. With so many champions like Chris Cyborg, the Pitiful Brothers, they had those who just lost his belt.

So I don't get it. It would help so much for them to grow now that they are live here on ESPN. So I don't know, man. But yeah, MMA is not as big as it was 10 years ago. But it's not like this crisis that a lot of people talk about too. So yeah, I think that if you look at Combati, it's the pay-pavu channel for global the airs, the UFC, they don't reveal how many subscribers they have because here in Brazil, you just pay one fee and you watch every card of the month. So they don't, they don't reveal

how many subscribers they have, but from what I hear, it's like they have less than half than what they used to when the UFC was huge, like Anderson's. But, you know, but those days, you know. But it's still very, very profitable for Combachi and for the UFC what they make here in terms of pay-per-view. But, yeah, it's, and like, it doesn't help that Amanda Nunes isn't that big star. Yeah. And she also doesn't seem to care. Is Cyborg bigger than Amanda Nunes?

Yeah, she is. If Vellator. Sorry, go ahead. I've always, I've always been getting. interested. Why do you think that is? Why do you think Cyborg kind of captures the imagination of Brazilian fans, but not Amanda Nunes? Because I think Cyborg has been a route for and has been at the top for much longer. She's just an elite fighter for more than a decade. And Amanda Nunes is a great fighter, but she wasn't that great at all the time. She became champion like 2015 or stuff like that.

So it's more recent. And Chris Leibor, her style, she's just a machine. is just ferocious. So I think that captures their imagination of the fence and people seems like. And also, she doesn't hide too much, you know. Amanda Nuz doesn't want to do media and doesn't want to do anything. I respect her. That's what she was. That's me.

Yeah, how she chooses to do that? That's her own thing. She can't ask that way and then complain she's not a start. She is her choice, no. But she's, she won't. She's not the biggest. name in women's in May in Brazil, that's Cyborg. No doubt. Cyborg, her media presence, just, you know, her involvement in the community, both in the

States in Southern California and in Brazil, it's, you know, it's much more well known. Yeah, Amanda Nunes, you right, kind of does her fight and then she kind of, you know, disappears and does her family life, you know, privately, which that's her choice. You, you, you, you, did you, did you come to real when Amanda Nunes fought Pennington? I think I asked her. I was there. I was there. Yeah. Compare the knights to the one that Chris Leibald-Cabu made her debut.

Against Leslie Smith? You were there as well. Yeah. It was just a soccer state. Of course, it was a much bigger event. But she also helped to become a bigger event because she was, she's from Curitiba. But the atmosphere of being a Chris Ibo fight nights in Brazil and won Amanda Nunes, you can see it's different. Yeah, I thought it.

Yeah. she was very good. And she was, oh, it's Manorna Nunes. She's a champion. But yeah, she just didn't have that. When a Manan, and Cyborg walks into the room in Brazil, it was like, whoa. You know, everyone kind of like, you know, focuses. Yeah, Manan Nunes just, it means the same over here.

Amanda Nunes just doesn't have that. It's kind of a mystery, too. It doesn't have that big star pill yet, even though numbers-wise she should. I mean, like, you look at a record and who she's being and it should. Here we are. If Bellator held an event in Brazil, who would be the headliner? Chris Cyborg or Pitbull? Depends on when you're doing the events.

If you're doing events in the... from Rio, San Paulo, or anywhere in the southern area of Brazil, like Curitiba, it's got to be a cyber. But if you're doing the northeast area of Brazil, where the Pitbull Brothers live, it's got to be pit bull. If you do an event in Nat Natal, a place that UFC has done an event in the past was Handel and Belfort

No, Handel and Shogun, I think. So if you do an event there, it's got to be the Pitbull Brothers. And then... That's sold out easily, easily. Yeah. And then whoever's not the main event, I assume, would be the co-main event,

and then you'd throw on Giuliano Velasquez and Lima. I'm sure you want to throw Machita on there, of course. There's a million. Yeah. I didn't realize how many high-level Brazilian fires

Bellator has. But yeah. One last thing about this. Does Brazil, the Brazil MMA scene, does it need Brazilian champions to kind of succeed or is this sport enough?

I want to add one thing on that. When I was in on Fight Island before the leading into the Palo Costa or Israel Asrana Palo Costa fight, a lot of the Brazilian in me that said if Paulo if Paulo had won he would have been a superstar like a very big deal and he was like the like but he needed to be champion to be like the next push of mama in brazil

guillermo is that is that accurate yeah yeah if he had won the belts he would be a such a big deal in brazil uh the way he fights his looks he he has everything he has a whole package to become it also would have it was also anderson's old belt i think they kept talking about that to it would have been the same way class Anderson dominated. I think if he was a lot headway to anything, he was just become a big deal

because he has the heat factor, but the way he lost was just a big hit for him. But yeah, like to case's question, I think that for the sport

to be a big deal in Brazil to attract casual fans, you must have a champion. but it's big in Brazil I mean, in terms of you have a solid base of fans that don't care if you have a champion or not that you would just love the sport

but to go outside of this bubble you must have a champion. That's why I think Charles de Veda being from San Paulo is so important for the UFC if they market him really well they can become a big deal. There you go. There you go.

All right. Thank you very much. I hope we answered all of your questions, Michael. I'm always actually really interested in how fans in different countries except the sport. You know, the sport itself big, or is it just the fighters and kind of the celebrity-ness of, you know, big-name fighters? Is that what's big? And I don't really have a good, I don't know. I just don't know.

Since I work for an American website for so long, sometimes I lose the sense of how big someone is in Brazil. But I have a lot of friends that work for Brazilian media, friends that have YouTube channel. And they always say that Paulo Costa still does amazing numbers on YouTube whenever they do videos about him. it's just off the charts. Paulo Costa and Charles Zadivir is getting there as well. So even though he lost, I think the image of Paulo Koss and the way he lost and everything, the controversy and all that,

he's still a big deal. I'm curious to see what his next fight is and how well he would do in terms of media attention on him in Brazil. Win or lose his next one. I think the UFC has a big starting potential in Paula Costa if he wins his next one. I think he's getting another title shot based on that because he's just a big name in Brazil. Yeah, there was a couple. It depends of course on how much money he's going to ask for.

He's a big name. Yeah, he's a big name fighter. It sounds like he should get more money. Yeah, yeah. Sounds like he is underpaid. The Brazilian media said the way he looked like, obviously when you lose kind of like that, you kind of become a meme for a bit, but they said Paulo Klaus became a big meme

on like the WhatsApps and the social media's down in Brazil. A lot of them were also afraid because they saw, because I think a week or two before was when Colby beat Tyron Woodley and Donald Trump called Colby on the phone. Remember, they were on the broadcast. And a lot of them were very nervous that if that happened with

Bolsonaro and Paulo, because they have like rights to broadcast Bolsonaro's like stuff. So if he did that on the broadcast, they would have to kill the feed or they wouldn't be able to run it. A lot of them were very nervous about that.

Anyway. Yeah. There was a big chance that wouldn't happen. 100%. Anyway, how many hardcore MMA fans are there from Scott McCraight on the site? How would you measure or estimate the number of

quote unquote hardcore MMA fans? Is it the number of the least purchase paper event in the year? Is it 300,000 or like 10 million? Can you even quantify how many? Can you give me a ballpark estimate? It is so hard to, I mean, because I feel like everyone just has their own definition of quote-unquote hardcore M.A. fan. Like, some people will say if you're staying in on a Saturday night to watch Cyril Ghan and Alexander Volkov this Saturday, you're probably a hardcore fan.

Others will say you have to watch every single event. Others will say you have to watch every single fight of every single event. So it just depends on your definition. But I'm going to say a trillion. Just ballpark number. If we wake up on a Friday morning to watch a one championship event, are you a hard-part fan? Yeah, probably. See, it just depends on what level of hardcore fan you are.

So just say like 5 billion people. They always say that. Oh, that's right. There you go. Yeah, that's the number. Question asks, answer received. Good one, okay. I honestly think they're about, and I can't speak for the whole world,

but I think in the United States, I would estimate there's about 350,000 I will classify as hardcore fans. I think it's about the number. Essentially, if, man, real quick, in one sentence, how would you describe, what's the test, the litmus test for a hardcore fan,

Jeremy? I think, I wouldn't say like if you watch every year of C card every weekend, because I know that even hardcore fans are going to keep a film Williams. That's a tough one. I'll tell you, I'll tell you mine. Sorry. Go, shoot.

I had a friend over here, and she's been coming on watching more and more fights. And I always joke, oh, you're a casual, you're a casual. But then, once the fans came back and they started, I think they were booing, it was on the recent card and they were booing a good fight. They were booing a good fight. They were booing every fight. They were booing every fight, essentially. And she goes, and she goes, those fans are such jerks.

I can't believe they're booing. And I was like, oh my God, you just graduated from a casual to a hardcore fan. You become a hardcore fan when you hate regular fans. I think so. That's like kind of my, it's more of it. I think hardcore is more of an attitude than actually like if you watch everything. I don't know. I just, I just, when I saw this question, I thought it.

I was like, when you start, when you start criticized, like, I can't believe they're doing the wave. You should be watching it. Respect the grappling. When you start defending the grappling. Yeah, he started defending grappling. The way I always describe it. Yeah, the way I always describe it is. Ryan Hall was the best part of the world.

If you start defending Ryan Hall and leg locks, you're a hardcore fan. But that's just, Ryan Hall transcends the sport of mixed martial arts. That's true. That's true. I would always say if you can name a prelim fight without looking it up off top of your head of a fight night card. That was always mine. Like when Big E was on the show and he was rattling off some fight night prelims. He was a hardcore man, yeah.

He was a hardcore fan. Or like a couple of years ago, we had a question about fight of the year. And he was like, well, what about Brian Barberina and Vicente Lucke? I was like, I was on the prelim card of the ESPN card. He's just like, it was a good fight. I'm like, wow, like, good on you for knowing your stuff. So that's how I always. If you can name a prelim fight without looking it up off the top of your head.

If you follow Caposa on Twitter, you're a hardcore fan. or you work for an M.A. website. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You good, Gareme? Have everything okay? Oh, I lost your audio. Oh, you lost your audio. We can hear you. There you guys, sir. Betty was dying here. Yeah.

Oh, no. Okay, back to some of the only hardcore fans would care about this question. Best for Jan Girova from Tristan Gordet, two anime fighting. After great performance this Saturday against Kanaka Marada, Verna Janjarova Janjarova talked about Janjurova talked about wanting to climb up the rankings

of the U.S.S.S. of women's strawaway division. She wants to rematch against Stern, but no, she won't get that right away. As I said, called out Nina Nunes, who's ranked number seven in the division. Wouldn't it be better if she called out Michelle Waterson instead,

just the fact that Watershine is a bigger name and be better look on her on her resume? No? I don't think so. I don't think so either. I don't think so. I don't think so, because Everyone calls all Michelle Waterson.

Any fighting the division, if they have to call, if they win, they're going to call her out. So that's not going to happen. Of course, there's a chance that happened, but there's a big chance that won't happen because Michelle Waterson has everyone willing and wanting to fight her. So she just can go out and pick and choose whoever she thinks is going to be the best matcher for her. And I don't think she's going to be Janjuro because she's not a big name and she's her, her fighting style, it's not in easy ones to fight. So

I think Nina Nunez is good to call it. I'm not saying that's going to happen, but I think it's better than when I don't call you out Michelle Watson. Also, Verna seems like someone that wants to, like she doesn't particularly, and I don't know this, I'm just

me speculating. She's not really looking at fighters with quote unquote the big name. She just wants to fight her way up the rankings. If I remember correctly, yes, Neonnas has ranked higher than Michelle Watterson. She's seven and Michelle Waterson is nine. So calling out a higher range fighter. She wants to fight up.

Good on you. Nina, she's coming off a pretty, pretty one-sided loss, right? To McKenzie. But that was her first fight in like two years and she had just had her baby. Oh, she lost to McKenzie. Okay. Well, that makes sense because it was the common opponent, the common recent opponent. Okay, I forgot about that.

Oh, yeah, okay. No. All I, I don't care who Jandrona fight, Nunes, Waterson. I just hope she gets a top 10, top. 15 at least i hope she doesn't have to fight anyone behind her in line that's all well she only has the only two people ranks below are lemos who's a lot of people are very high on uh amanda lemos i don't think they're gonna get her yet felice her i don't think they of her no no no she's here she beat police already yes and then angela hill and uh tis tors are matched up i don't think man does amanda

a hibati have a fight uh she said i think so no she's she said she had covid that's right that's right And then Michelle, Claudia, Nina. No, she doesn't have a fight anymore. Yeah. Yeah. She wasn't a fighting in a hill, but she got COVID. Yeah. Yeah.

And then the only one, the others are ranked above her that aren't matched up. Or Michelle Waterson, who just fought Marina Rodriguez, like, very recently, a very tough five-round fight. Claudia, and then above her, McKenzie, Marina, Jan, Carla. The Yon fight would be fun, too, just because John's coming off a loss. Oh, yeah. She is ranked way high, and I don't think the UFC would do that. Oh, but that was a bad loss. She was a very one-sided loss that Yon took.

Oh, I like that, actually. I like Janderover. Yon. Yon and Michelle Watterson is a good fight, too. Yeah. All those fights are good. I think Jander Robe is freaking awesome. And, yeah, I'm on the Jand-Droba hype train.

So, uh. That she was awesome. Yeah. Have you ever interviewed her or met her in person, Gwe? Yeah, yeah, it's probably before prior to this fight. Oh, you did an interview for this fight. I remember, yeah, yeah, it was a great interview. Sorry.

Yeah, what did she say in the interview? Kind of like the darn loss kind of made her realize she had striking deficiency? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she has to start working at her striking to evolve and not only be just this great rapper that she is. That she had to just be in one step ahead and be a great well-rounded Friday. That's excellent because essentially that's why she lost against Dern. They're grappling kind of neutralized each other because it was one one going against Dern. It was one going into the third.

And in the third round, Dern just started throwing haymakers and just was just more aggressive for the striking. And that was pretty much the difference. And you saw a Janderobo when she came out in that first round against Marada, she was throwing big bombs and like messed up Marada's eye. And I eventually, you know, let the take down. I did that, you know, breaking Marada's arm and all that crazy stuff. So, yeah, thing. Yeah, yeah, of course you interviewed.

You're the, you're the, jeez, man. I'm so stupid, Casey. So stupid, Casey. Why do you do this? Why do you embarrass yourself? Cool, cool. Fiaz Rafiq, apologize as if I mispronounced your name on Twitter with Engano Lewis off USC 265. We'll see a man in Newness pay-per-view headline.

So yes, the news today is Francis and Ghana or last night. I can't quite remember. Francis, Ganovers, Derek Lewis, probably not happening in August for timing reasons. So now they're looking at September, which doesn't have a location yet. I guess technically neither does the August pay-per-view. As of now, Amanda Nunez is scheduled to fight Giuliana Pena, and that is the only title fight on the card, which would mean, of course, it would be the headliner. So, Guillermo, what would you say to another Amanda Nunes' pay-per-view headliner?

I won't complain. She is awesome. It's a fantastic Friday. I think that I don't I don't know how well that would do in terms of paperview sales. I agree. It's a fight that makes a lot of sense. I think it needs, it needs something more. Just throw Valentina and Chevy Chbachev in the core main events and you'll get that talk again about the trilogy between them.

I think it made sense. Against whoever. Maybe two three fighters at a time. That would be, you know what? That would be, that's really cool, actually. Put Nipmanor Noon is at the top versus Pena. Co-made event, Shevchenko, versus Lauren Murphy, you know, as the co-main. Because then not only you have the storylines with those fights themselves, you have the same storyline.

Okay, if Valentina rolls through this, is she going to fight Nuna? So it creates more storylines and more conversations. So, and them having them on the same stage, you know, all that kind of stuff. Them, you know, them signing posters and walking past each other in the hotel, you know, you know, watching your bed. know those stupid things. Yeah. Yeah, they, they, it needs another, it needs another championship fight, I would think, for

Nune's pain, it just doesn't have, well, I think the fights fine to make. It doesn't have the, uh, that thing, you know? Yeah. It's miss, it's missing. It's missing something on the card. Because it's like, for the Amanda Nunes, when she fought Raquel Pennington in Brazil, they had a lot of Brazilian fighters on that card. They, of course, they even have Michita Belfort and Gastelam Jacare.

So, like, that was, that was for the, market we don't even know where this fight is yet if they're going to stick it in houston i don't know and the rest of their champions are charles olivar just fought vulcanoski has a fight coming up uh sterling and yon don't have a date yet usman i think is still uh visiting nigeria if i remember correctly i don't think he's fighting but he doesn't even have like an opponent as of right now had asana just fought yon's fighting glover september francis is off then of course you got rose and valentina the only other champion is brand merino who just fought davis and figurale

So if they want to throw a bucket load of money at Brandon Moreno to fight, I don't know. Kai Kar, France, why not? I don't think he would do that. Why in the world? I would do that. He just become UFC champion. I agree. Unless he wants a bunch of money.

Yeah, because the rumor is the fight would be in Houston and Texas, of course, gets, you saw the rock's reception that Tony Ferguson got. I would imagine Brandon Marano would also get a big one. But that's just all speculation. what is what's rose up to right now uh nothing that i didn't include her because she kind of beats march to the beat of her own drum she's taking long gaps off and she's never really quite been the one to get a quick turnaround right that's kind of a bummer yeah i mean i'm i would love to see a triple lady title fight card you know but i doubt we'll see that but is is there a a clear number one of content in the he heard this is it's car it's it's it's carla or jrida or waley

Those are the two. It should be Carla. And Carla, if you're going to do one of those two fights, it should be Carla, because she doesn't cut a lot of weight anyway. So she can have a – Carla also, congratulations, just got engaged. So who knows if she wants to fight right now. So it's up there.

And then, of course, Marina is also there. But Marina and Wayley and Yowna, I think, cut a lot of weight to make 115. So they would probably have to start setting that up right now. Yeah, the UFC was trying to book – Marina Rodriguez and MacKamacinz Dern. I think it was for late July, the last July card as the main event. Mac McKinzdaurn was in,

but Marina wants to fight in September. Of course, if the UFC comes to Marina, you know, for her a title fight, I think she's going to take it sooner than that. But she wants September. McKinzden was to fight as soon as possible, so I don't think that fight is going to happen. I don't know if that fight is going to happen,

but, yeah, that answer is on the Marina and watches that right now. You know, it sucks. Because I know the UFC hates fun, but man, this is a chance to do main event, Manna Nunes versus Julia Pena, co-mainon, event, Valentina versus Lauren Murphy. Third title fight, Rose Dominoos, rematches Carlos Sparza. Then next two fights, you can put Dern versus Marina Rodriguez and then fill it out, who you already have in the card, Angela Hill and T. Chittorris opening up the pay-per-view.

Five-fight lady main All-Lady fight on the main card We got it right there Like they did once with the heavyweights I think was the... Yeah, they did that. They've done it before. 140s.

Big four and Velazquez too. I think JDS and Frank Mirr a main card with the heavyweights. That card got absolutely decimated by injuries, though. The initial lineup was pretty unbelievable because the original main event for that card, if I remember correctly, was JDS and Overeem.

If I remember correctly, and then Kane was supposed to fight Frank Mir. And then J.D.I. Overeem got popped for illegal substances and Frank Mir got elevated. And then Kane turned Bigfoot into a bloody pulp. I believe Roy Nelson beat. I don't remember. And then I know Steepi. Peewee. Pewee, yeah, Dave Herman. Steepe, I know, crushed RIP, Shane Del Rosario and Struve beat LeVar Johnson.

but the original lineup for that card was pretty unreal. And the UFC made their best promo ever for that card. Remember? What UFC number at 140? 146. 146. Google it, the UFC promo, they nailed it, and they never done anything fun after that. There you go.

I think Mark Kahn was supposed to be on that card too. Yeah. That card was not a fight. I think it was Stroves. Then they rebooked it for the Japan card. anyway Afnan Sefir 9

I apologize I'm not pronounced everyone's swear USC 263 payouts were 63 payouts were depressing even with payprey points it's not enough

do you think ESPN guarantee 500K buys per pay per pay review deal was nullified the leverage fighters once had well I'm pretty confident in saying

I think the disclosed pay they got paid a lot more but it's still lower than they should be got there's no way Nick 90 is based to 50.

There's no way. But even, yeah. But the point being, this is the first time in a while that we have disclosed pay because... And that's because it's Arizona. Yeah, only because it's Arizona.

But what did the UFC say? I haven't been on top of it, but they said it's intellectual property or something. Like it's trade secrets and normally fighters get paid. Trade secrets. I think it's a commission thing

because Arizona for a while when you wanted the purse's, you'd have to physically drive to pick up like a piece of paper like so I think it's commission to commission uh no in Florida they they change the rules because of yeah

USC yeah I think that maybe the UFC just like leaned on them but Arizona they they disclosed it but I am pretty confident in saying that Nate Diaz got way more than 200K still not enough um yeah payouts are pressing

but you know what hey fighters create an association, create a union. No, I won't even start. Yeah, they won't even start. That is on you. I think the media has said their piece. Now you guys got to go.

I can't. Yeah, and that's on you. That's on you, you ladies and gentlemen. All right. Ooh, I like this question. MMA from Azan Zaman, long time comment. Thoughts on. Believe Barcellos fight.

Both of them are crazy technique. and the matchup is fire. What happens? What happens to Guitar Hero if you lose this? Always fun to watch what he's on in three fights. Casey, you picked this question specifically for a reason, I assume. What's your answers to these? This is probably the best fight outside of the main event.

It's just an awesome, awesome fight between two super talented, relatively unknown band-in-weights. I'm just, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, is that something, is that a joke? Who's guitar hero? It's a nickname for, I believe, Justin James, Justin James, whatever's name is. He's also on the card. There's two separate questions. Oh, too separate question. Okay.

I thought that was like, Boston Errors's nickname. Um, no, it's just, um, oh, it's not even question. It's just like, that fight rules. I'm like, yes, it does. Sorry. It says thoughts on believe Barcelo's fight. I agree with you.

That fight rules. Honey Barcellos finally got his fight. I feel like he's been calling for a fight for a long time. But yeah, he's awesome and I'm very excited for that. What's he on a five fight in one streak?

Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. He was scheduled to fight Assangeau at one point. He's also in Marab. Marab called him out in December when he looked awesome. And then I think he was, they were,

they were supposed to fight. But he wasn't He was medically suspended and they put him to fight because it would be just like three or four weeks away from his next, his previous one. So he just pulled him. But they were both in Las Vegas and they let Figaro fight on like 21 days. All weird stuff. But Figaro also didn't take like any damage against Alex Perez. What happens to Guitar if he loses?

Yeah. I think he's on three-frey losing streak. So if you lose four in a row, probably not in the USC anymore. Yeah, he's very, very, very fun fighter. we're not going to call him Justin anymore. We're just going to call him guitar hero. Fair? This is a must-win fight.

But back to- These laws... Go ahead. But on Justin James, he's only... I just looked it up. Devante Smith, Gabriel Benitez,

Gavin Tucker. Those were three, and his first five was in his Frank Camacho. Tough draw for your first four fights in the UFC. So this for sure is winner-go-home. Anyway. Tough draw, but none of those guys are,

you know, top 15 guys either. So it's just a, That's, that's, you got to win. That's all. You have to win at some point. Being exciting isn't enough, especially if they're against unranked fighters and you've never been a ranked fighter. But back to believe, uh, Barcello, Barcellos, Marcellos.

Marcellos. I just, I kind of hate this fight because those guys are so freaking good, um, that I don't want them to kind of knock each other out. But 135 is just so freaking good. I, I believe both these guys with the, with the proper competition and just fighting enough, they're both top 10 talents. But right now, to me, there are probably 20 fighters who are top 10 talent, you know, if that makes sense.

So it's just unfortunate one of them are going to knock each other out of the rankings or potential rankings. But so watch this fight. It should be freaking awesome. That's all. The youth in Brazil here, the UFC team, Big Nog, they are really, really high on Harley Barcellos. They have a lot of trust that he's going to be a big deal in this vision.

And I agree with them. He has something that most Brazians don't have, which is a wrestling background. His ground game, his jihis, so he's striking. He's complete fighter, man. He's really good. Way past time, he should have been fighting top 15 already. Barsallos? Yeah.

They tried to give him a half-on-son. Twice. Yeah. Yeah, but he chose to wait when Assonson got injured, and then how many of the Baccellus got COVID on five weeks, stuff like that, before he wasn't flying out with his father who also got COVID. But yeah, he's a real deal. He's really good.

But he's not the young fighter. I think it's 34 or 33 or something like that. Yeah, he's not the youngest. Numbers don't lie, was Jay Z wrong? From Terrence Leverett. Yonah outstruck Lauren Oh Joe Oh Joe

Sorry the spelling was like that It's small writing so I'd look like you want to Uh jojo outstruck Lauren around one and three Brandon outstruck Figu in round three of their fight And the judges had him winning I scored it 10-8 for Brandon with a point being taken away Well I know numbers don't lie Don't tell the whole story of all of all the time

i.e. Max versus Dustin I find these fighters should have won. What are your thoughts? Any other examples? So, 10, 8. Oh, sorry, I was really,

both of these fights are also in Arizona, and Arizona is weird judging. I think we saw that when Kane fought Francis. They were in the main event the first ESPN card. There were a lot of weird things happening there, too.

But the Jojo, Lauren Murphy fight, I have already said, like, I missed a big chunk of that fight, because I believe we were interviewing I can't remember maybe Paul Craig or something like that I scored that fight I scored Jojo versus Lauren a draw actually okay

So it was a close fight though But it was it a robbery No not a robbery It was a close fight To me to me that's not even the issue The issue was if the second round should have been in 108 to me Sure but that's I had a draw

I actually did have Jojo winning rounds one and three So that's a judging thing I don't know What All right so we're going to use this because we haven't had any questions on. Let's talk about bad judging. Jeremy, what did you think of Glycantybao versus Royne McDonald?

It was odd. I wasn't watching, I was watching, but I was watching on mute because I was trying to get my to sleep. But that's pretty much how I watch fights now. I scored for hurry, but I'm not sure if I would call it just the biggest robbery of all time, like people all these outcry. I think he won, but I wouldn't go that far to call the worst for robbery of all time. Why does everything have to be the worst robbery for the robbery? I mean, like, if it's a 10th worst robbery in all of MMA, that's pretty, you know what I mean?

I think it's the biggest robbery. this year. Yeah, I agree this year. Yeah. Because I had it, I had Rory winning 30, 27. I thought it was easy. I was, because I do the social media for the site. I was about to publish Roy. You're like ready. Like, all right. I was like, I was like, just literally just waiting for it. And I was like, what? And I had to like scrap all my work and do it. Like, I thought it was that obvious. I try to get ahead of it. So yeah. When I was watched like, I, I just watched the, the type of Friday thing was over and then I had to do something. And I, and I left. When I came back, I saw both fighters waiting for the announcements, and there was just the fan scoring, something like that they were just showing on the screen. The commentators going, the fans going. Roy, Roy, Roy. Roy. Okay, yeah.

And I agreed. And then I just left. When I came back, I sat on the couch with Maya, and I was looking back. When I looked up, it was just glazed some in Parvumpina, just jumping. I want this. What? What did I miss? Even the commentators were just.

The commentators like Kenny Florian and Sean O'Connell were like, that is egregious this and that. It doesn't make any sense. And it's a bigger deal too because this in the PFL, it's a league. So you win, you get points and you can go to their playoffs and this and that. Now Roy McDonald doesn't get those three points. And I don't know what is draw. I can't remember how to pronounce his next opponent's name,

but that is a tough, tough draw. So Roy McDonald got more than just win-loss, kind of got screwed in his path to a million dollars in the PFL. I want to say this. We always complain about judging. Everyone's judging this. But then we have so many fights. Like I think I think Jojo, Lauren should have been a draw, whatever. But a lot of people are like, all of these fights are not a robbery.

If all these fights are not robberies, is there a problem of judging? What do you? I don't think there's a matter. How many robberies are there this year? Not as many as people think. Not as many as people. Yeah, exactly. Because people go, there's a close fight.

Yeah. It's a close fight. It could go on either way, you know. I don't do it. I thought this guy won, but if he didn't win, that's a robbery, because I disagree. That's not how it works. And that's like in anything. Like, if you watch a TV show and you put this big theory together of how it's going to end,

and it doesn't happen, all of a sudden you hate that TV show and it sucks. No, it's not true. Just what you thought didn't work out for you. I don't think there's a massive problem with judging. I just think when you have fights like this where everyone is so up in arms over one specific fight, it just kind of becomes the topic for a few weeks. That's it. I think, actually, I do think there are lots of robberies,

but a lot of times those robberies are very early on the prelims. So we just kind of people just, fans, media, don't really care about it that much. We're not invested it. But since it was Roy McDonald's the main event, PFL, the significance, I think we just pay attention more, I think. Which one do you guys think would be a bigger robbery? Sebal winning or Huloseilzer Chavez winning against Nessuza-Zer-Zer-Vo. Oh, if you would have got one more card?

Yeah. It was a bit... Julio. Julio. Yeah. I mean, Julio winning would have been a bigger... would have been a bigger robbery to my mind

because that is just pure boxing politics right there. I think that's a bigger... I think that transcends just judging, and that's a... You're fighting Julio Seizovius Jr. in Guadalajara, and he's fighting a non-boxer. I think that's the story right there.

That's just a judge not wanting Anderson to win. Yeah, yeah, that would have been pretty bad, especially because I had a 7-1. it can easily be it can easily be 8-0 if you're generous to Anderson if you're generous to Chavez Jr., it can have been 6-2 maybe if you're generous, you know? That would be a robbery,

but that would be more of a controversy than just judges. That's like, that's a political. I don't even want to think about that, get those thoughts out of my head. When they were announced, like, split the decision with, oh, come on.

So when we did the watch along, I was like 35 seconds ahead of Casey and Mike Heck. And when they said split decision, I was just like, I was making this like confused face. And Mike was just like, oh, no, what's happening? He thought he thought Chavez one and then he saw it too. And he was like, split. That's bizarre. But yeah, that was weird. Anyway, thank you for the question, Terrence Leverett.

I know he went a little over time, Casey. Is there one last question you want to hit before we call it today? I know Jeremy has got daddy things to do. Oh, yeah, yeah. I get everything. I mean, like, I mean, I put up a few questions. Hold on. Roca, we'll fly through these.

Fly through these. Yeah, hold on. Rapid fire. I don't know what this question means, but it was for Gierme. For Gereme, is the FC Porto Cacillo in the back? If it is, are you a fan of the club? Yeah, it's, no, that's a good sign. I have no idea what that means.

Yes. I also see you have a Toronto Raptors one back there. Yeah, yeah. That's a lot of one. That's a lot of one. I got one for each country I've ever been to. Oh, okay. What represents Portugal.

So there's New York, there's Barcelona. Canada. PSG. That's pretty cool. Ajax, Boca Juniors, Rome. You need to come to Phoenix. You need to come to Phoenix. and get a Phoenix Suns one because they are America's team right now.

Are those Jets or like the little scarves? It's the scarfs, yeah. Scarves? Okay, cool, cool. I just get madness. I need one from Abu Dhabi. I don't get one yet. Come on, man.

All right. So, wait. Anyway, all right. But I'm not a fan of the club. I'm fan of traveling. Waterfogo. Okay. Waterfogu.

There you go. There you go. Quick one again. Here we go. Does Korean zombie join the list of fighters? They want to fight your air on the 17th of July. Giga claims now an interview with MMA junkies, John Morgan. He signed a contract to fight Yaya.

I'm pretty sure Korean Zombie wants to fight Yaya no matter what day of the month it is or what month it is because that first fight, he was one second away from winning. So yeah, I think he, of course, he would want the five-round main event, where Giga Jaka Chikaze said he's fighting Yaya. So if Giga is fighting Yaya, then I am all in on Korean zombie versus Max Holloway. I freaking love that fight so much.

But we have no idea what's going on with Max. No idea. Absolutely no idea. No idea what's going on at Max and no idea if Giga is telling the truth in him sending contract to fight. Yeah. No idea. He's going to be one of those cases like Friday's coming out. Sign the contract.

Not even contracts for them. Yeah, like, oh, say sign the contract. Here's a piece of paper. You can't really read it. I'm shaking. It's too small, but I signed it. It's like what Palo lost to Izzy next week. he's like, sign the contract for the rematch.

And then Daniel Cormier was like, what contract is you talking about? That was what are my favorite scrubs? He's like, Paulo, go home, you lost. Oh, man, that was a good time. Anyway, thank you for the question, Joseph Bosa. And last one. I got to say, I didn't like the way Costa was promoting his fight versus Izzy, but kind of this post Costa and I don't know,

his crazy Twitter things and his, him trying to call out Marvin I'm tweeting about his calf. Yeah, he's his cap. I don't know. I'm all in. I'm back on the Polycaster train. I like him. Thinking the earth is flat and everything.

Yeah, Troil Costa. Yeah, Troil Costa. Charlie Willie, I also saw this on Twitter. So good for calling up. I was overlooking the possibility of Derek Lewis to become the next UFC heavyweight champion. Nope. He might.

He absolutely might win. Nope. It's heavyweight, Emma. It's heavyweight fighting at the highest level. And the dude has the touch of death. Like, I think him and Nangano are the two that define that. Touch of death. And if Derek Lewis can somehow, I'm not going to say take Francis down,

but if Francis slips on a banana pill and Derek Lewis happens to fall on top of him, Derek Lewis's ground and pound might be the most vicious, heaviest ground and pound in the entire world. So there's obviously, obviously, Nagano to me is a heavy favorite. But I'm a weirdo. I actually think Derek Lewis. is a tougher fight at heavyweight than John Jones is a heavyweight. I'm not a believer in John Jones, a heavyweight. But I think Derek Lewis is equally as tough, if not tougher than

John Joe's a heavyweight for Francis than Ghana. So it's, it's, I just, I just watch Mike Hex interview with OSP and even OSP was like, you can win three rounds and four, two rounds, and four minutes and 59 seconds of a fight. But at heavyweight, it takes one punch and you're dead. So anytime any heavy weights are fighting, I think it's pretty close to 50-50 anyway. I just hope there's an extra fight this time. Yeah, let's talk about it again when that fight comes up. I think we've hit time. Garemay, thanks so much for joining us.

Before we give you your promo, Casey, I just want to read you this tweet that Poli Costa put out because you're back on the Policosta high train. He tweeted a photo of a submarine and a map with mines on it. And it's a submarine global cable map. Each connection between Brazil and Europe has built. Where is the satellite? People said satellites doesn't work. That's Casey Lai guy right there. That's Casey Liza's guy right there.

Anyway, Airbe, what do you got to say? What do you got to say? Thank you for bringing Maya on the show. She was beautiful. And hopefully she makes more appearances in the future. Yeah. I just want to thank everyone for the kind message when she was born. She's just a beautiful baby.

Thank you, everyone in the NBA fighting for all the help for all this past eight weeks of very no sleep. And when I ask all the good people are there, but only the good people are. Let's make babies and let's fill this word with good people and good creatures because we have a lot of bad people out there. So let's make some good ones to compensate it. There you go. Yeah. Well, Stead. Casey, good luck following that up.

Yeah. Good love. Oh, I was just going to say. Well, yeah, good people. Yeah, everyone loves good people. Oh, you got the book, Casey. I just want to talk about Chris Rini's book. I got it recently.

it freaking is awesome. It's got so many freaking cool illustrations in here. And there's a, yeah, it's just, it's just freaking awesome. Tell her, tell them about one of the chapters. Oh, but there's a great chapter about my wife, Esther Lin. That was, when Chris, when Chris was on, he had sent me, uh, he had sent me the digital copy, like a month or two ago. And I know you didn't know. So I was going to need it.

I did. I was going to edit. So what he said, Casey doesn't know either. I was like, so I was really, man, I'm glad I didn't ask you. But anyway, go buy Chris's book. We'll have him back on again. We'll plug it some more. Support.

Support mixed martial arts art. Yes. Support local businesses. Support all that fun stuff. Anyway, I think this is, no, we might have one more. Happy Pride Month, everyone, of course. Thank you for joining us, Guy. Lucy's now coming to say hi again.

Anyway. for Casey, that's Guy. This is Jose. We'll see you next Wednesday. We're out.