MMA Fighting - The A-Side Live Chat | Brian Ortega vs. The Korean Zombie, UFC Fight Island 5 fallout, Tony Ferguson, more

Episode Date: October 14, 2020

For this episode, MMA journalist Jade Morris joins José Youngs and E. Casey Leydon to break down some of the top storylines in MMA. Some possible topics include fallout from UFC Fight Island 5, Cory Sandhagen and Marlon Moraes’ futures inside the Octagon, the state of the UFC bantamweight division, Joaquin Buckley’s ‘Knockout of the Year’ against Impa Kasanganay, Israel Adesanya and Jon Jones continued war of words, Tony Ferguson’s interview with Ariel Helwani, and more Also on top, the three will look ahead to UFC Fight Island 6, featuring a main event between Brian Ortega vs. Chan Sung Jung. Follow José Youngs: @allelbows Follow E. Casey Leydon : @alexsavas Follow Jade Morries: @JadeMorrisMMA Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I am, of course, your host, Jose Young's at M.A.fighting.com. You may notice we are 35 minutes later than usual, and that is because I was at a while. at UFC Fight Island 6 Media Day. And for whatever reason, actually I know the reason, the fighters were a little delayed. Brian Ortega had just gotten out of bed. He's trying to get on his sleep schedule on right.

So he's awake all night and he sleeps all during the day, basically so he's on point come fight night. So he was basically half asleep, had to pull him out of bed. Korean zombie had some issues with the translator not being around for his virtual media day, but we got all that squared away. You can all go watch those videos after the A-Side. But we are here nonetheless.

And I'd said it a few times, and I'll say it again, there's been a few names that I've wanted to get on the A side. I'm still checking off some of the people. But I'm still, of course, in Abu Dhabi. This is USA Fight Island 6, Fight Week on Fight Island before the Brian Ortega, Korean zombie fight, which still won't happen. I'm not convinced because I believe in curses. But without further ado, this guest I'm very excited to have on. She's worked for KSW. She's worked for Yahoo.

I think she's worked for ESPN. She's worked at Bellator events. She's basically been everywhere. MMA has been in the UK. She also happens to be a movie star. Jade Morris, welcome to the show. Hey, how you doing? I'm going to go with that movie star.

Not true, but we're going to say it anyway, it's fun. Well, we'll talk about it later, I'm sure. But Casey's also here on the ones and twos. Casey, you've met Jade, I think in the past, but you've officially met again. She's in the UK. I'm in Abu Dhabi. Casey is still up to good in Englewood,

but you guys know the drill you can ask. any question you want. I guarantee you most will be fight related. Some of them might not be fight related. We don't know the questions. We are prepared for anything. So, Casey, without further ado, what is our first question? All right.

First question. Very important. Hot topic issue. I bet I know what it is. We got to talk about it right now. She's a new guest and I guarantee you I know what the question is. Yep. That is the exact first question I thought.

I was going to be. Jade, this has nothing to do with fighting, but it is a tradition for new guests. to answer this. And as you can see from Suzanne Fights, first things first, what ice cream flavor would Jade Pick? I will set the scene. In a hypothetical world

where you get a hand cannon attached to your arm and it can have one ice cream flavor to solve world hunger. One flavor for every person. What flavor do you pick and why? I'm going to have to go with chocolate just because everyone likes chocolate,

so you can't go wrong with that, right? I would agree. I would agree. P.C. Carroll was boring and picked vanilla. I remember. Casey, what did you pick? Yeah, but it's Pt Caryl. Actually, I think I went mint chocolate. With the little chunks in it. I would always say cookies and cream because I'm a big cookies and cream fan.

And then Shane Young and Brad Riddell, I asked this question before their fights on Fight Week. And their answer blew me away. They said, Neapolitan. That's chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry all in one square. And I was like, well, there you go. There's your answer. You get three flavors in one. I think that's our new correct answer, Casey.

See, I would have said salt and caramel. Salter caramel is a real good one. Now you're thinking about it more. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, see. Now, everyone says chocolate, vanilla, this and that. I think Neapolitan is my new correct answer. Because as soon as he said it, Izzy was like, yeah, that's the correct answer.

I'm not even going to answer that anymore. Brad's got it down. I'm like, yeah, you're not wrong. I think Brad's the smartest of us five there. But thank you for the question, Suzanne. I knew that question was coming. I'm glad we started off on Casey. It's a great question.

Yeah, we ask every new guest gets asked that question. Most people say cookie dough or cookies and cream, unless you're pizza carol and it says vanilla. Which is basically the potato of ice creams. Yes, yes, yes. All right, all right. Let's go straight to the YouTube comments from longtime commenter. from Tristan Gorda long time comment.

After his win this past Saturday, who would you like see Edson Barbosa fight next? Two names that come to mind for me are Shane Burgos and Jeremy Stevens.

So to set the scene, Edson Barbosa, of course, got back into the wind column. He was on a three-fight losing streak, if I remember correctly. He was 0-1 at Featherweight.

Now he is 1-1 at Featherweight. He beat Europe's, Finland's own, Macwan Americani, pretty decisively, but it was still an exciting fight. Nonetheless, he is officially back

into the wind column. Say he would go back up to lightweight for the trilogy fight against Paul Felder, but wants a high-ranked opponent. I think I laid out some ideas on our post-fight show or one of the shows I've talked about. But Jade, we'll start with you. If you are booking Edson Barbosa's next fight, who do you want to see him fight next? Oh, I don't know. Jeremy Stevens sounds good.

But do you know what? I'd watch him fight anyone just because he's so exciting. And every time you see Bobo's a fight, you know it's going to be a war. So he's one of those He is one of those fighters where I Wouldn't get mad to he fought It's great to see him back in the win column as well Because like you say obviously he has had quite a

He's had a couple of losses But it's hard to kind of put those losses against them Because he is such an exciting fighter So yeah I'd be happy to see him against anyone But yeah good shout Jeremy Stevens That'd be quite exciting I like that Shane Bergo's fight a lot too

Another guy that'd be Machuan Americani I just think that's a super vime on high-level striking matchup. Casey, if you're booking Edzimbarossa's next fight, who do you want to see a fight next? Well, despite his technically being on a three-fight losing streak, his last two fights, especially versus Felder and Ige.

I can absolutely gone his way. And the level of competition, we've talked about this before, the level of competition at Zembarboza fights at, I think for the last over a decade, he's only fought in a level or just a high, highest level prospects or guys former title contenders everything so um just i just got to set the stage like it's in barza it's still without a doubt a just a level fighter but who should he fight

next well um jeremy stevens is currently booked against arnold allen so i wouldn't mind seeing the winner of that face barbosa that was going to be my that was going to be my answer the winner of arnold allen jeremy stevens i think would be a banger especially on fight island uh arnold allen of course can get to fight island pretty easily barbosa's fought here before. I think they're like everyone in the top 10. The top five I think you're pretty booked up like Korean zombie Ortega Volcanasi gets the winner that I think Holloway should fight cater and I don't want to take Holloway or cater away from one another. And I think Arnold Allen and Jeremy Stevens are the only ones left. I think they're seven eight or eight nine.

Josh Emmons up there too, but he's injured right now. Yeah. Yeah, Josh Emmons knee is basically held together by duct tape right now. So I like the winner of Jeremy Stevens in Arlamp or or Shane Burgos. But I agree with Jade. Throw him against anyone, Edson Barbosa and I went game. Oh yeah, you know,

I totally forgot, actually. Sidique Youssef, they're actually the original booking of this. That's true. And they're both very similar ranked. I think Sidic Youssef just been, it's been kind of just,

he hasn't been doing any media, or we just haven't seen him around anymore, so I think people kind of forgot about him. But Sidic Youssef is a high-level prospect, and that was originally booked. I was originally booked, and Yusef just had passport issues. So Barboza lives in the States. Barboza wants a quick turnaround, and the weight cut,

and the weight cut is fine, and he's healthy. Book it in the apex later this year. Make it happen. Make it happen. Okay, next question. Hold on. Windows are I messed up. Yeah, let's have some fun.

John Jones there's a Google Kagan on the comment section on the site John Jones admitting he hid from the NSAC drug testing drug testers are there any updates from the Nevada State of the lead commission about this situation so I'm sure

all of you are aware that John Jones and Israel Adasania are going through a little Twitter argument back and forth somehow Israel Adasania got John Jones to confirm Chale Sunan's longstanding theories rumor allegations that John Jones hid under the cage at Jackson Wink to avoid a drug test.

John Jones apparently admitted it, but he said not because of steroids, because he had just smoked a joint and thought it would pop for weed. So I haven't heard of the evidence. A blunt. It was a blunt. It was a blunt. I want to plug this correctly, but I have not finished reading it. There is a website, I believe, called Combat Sportslaw, so Combat Sportslaw.com.

they have apparently a very well researched and written article on the statute of limitations, what the contracts would say and this and that. So I would recommend going to read that. I'm not quite done with it. There's a lot of legal jargon that I'm not 100% caught up to. But in terms of actual updates from the Nevada State Athletic Commission, I haven't heard any. We also haven't been able to talk to Dana White the last two weeks. So there's no way we can ask Dana White.

But I'll just use it. I'll use this question to jump off. Jade, what did you think when John Jones finally confirmed this longstanding theory or rumour? Yeah, I wasn't shocked in any way. There was no doubt that it was true. I knew for sure it was. I just knew it was true. So it's quite funny that he's now come out with it.

I'm quite surprised that he has. I'm surprised he's now brought that out. But yeah, I do wonder why he's done it as well, because if you've denied it for so long, it does make me wonder why now he's come out with it. I'm not too sure. But yeah, I wasn't shocked at all that it was actually true. Yeah, I'm not surprised at all. I think I don't know what, how is he pulled it off, but I just think John Jones is just,

I don't know what was going on, why he would admit that so publicly. Casey, what did you think? I know you're not a big fan of the back and forth through Izzy and John Jones. I am not a big fan of the direction it has taken, but what did you think specifically about this situation right here? I mean, I don't want to reuse a tired catchphrase, but, man, Izzy is living rent-free in John's head right now? I mean, yeah, more about that. I was just kind of, I mean, it's one of those stories I heard.

I've heard, I feel like I heard that story like a decade ago about the whole hiding under the cage thing. And I don't know, because there's such a rumor. I don't know if John ever had to, I don't know if anyone actually approached from a media standpoint. Did anyone ever actually ask John about that publicly and like in a press conference or anything? Or is it more of those kind of just those rumors just kind of, you know, underneath? I think it was, Chale clearly started the rumor. And I can't think off the top of my head if anyone has just straight up assed. Yeah, I just wonder, but I have no idea.

So I was kind of surprised like, why you came out of that. But. The fact that he voluntarily admitted himself is a little alarming. I was not doing steroids. I was just stoned, guys. It was like, okay. Cool. It's like, you sound fun to hang out with, I guess.

No, it's just, yeah, there's nothing going to happen with commissions or anything. It was a long time ago. Who knows? Maybe the weed's still in the system. I think there is a 10-year statute of limitations for, because remember, Vanderlai ran away from a test, and he got a lifetime ban. So if that is the case, and that was also, so I don't, again, I don't know the ramifications because I'm not reading this, but then the statute of limitations,

limitations is 10 years and I don't know how long ago that was so I would really have to look into it more. I feel like surely that was 10 years ago because I remember hearing about it ages ago. Yeah. And I'm sure it came up. Don't quote me on it. My memory is terrible. Well, I'm sure it came up when Charles Sondon was in the UK and that must have been a good nine years ago when he made a joke about it. So I'm kind of think if it was because I'm sure it was around that time.

But again, my memory is so bad that I could be completely like. But I'm sure that it was around then that it came up. I can't remember. But it's been, it's easily been like that amount of time. Would it be hilarious that John Jones somehow gets suspended for weed after weed has become legal? I think it wouldn't be about weed. I think it would be running from the test, which wouldn't be the actual drug. wouldn't be the actual drug.

But did he because according to the Nevada State Athletic Commission 467.65 notes, fighters who with or without compelling justification refuse or fail to submit the collection of a sample or specimen upon their request of the commission or its representation or who otherwise evades the collection of a sample or specimen commits an anti-doping violation as a subject to disciplinary action by the commission. And then it also goes into like if he does it a second time, it's this. If it's a third time, you can get a lifetime ban. So I think it wouldn't be about the weed. I think it'd be about running away from the test.

Makes it weird that he's admitted it. Exactly. I'm kind of wondering. It says right here, right here. It says first USADA has a lengthy limitation period. Wasn't it you saw it? Article 17. Correct. So the USC's anti-doping pros and they retain jurisdiction for 10 years with a section noting no anti-doping violation proceeding, but so on and so forth. So basically 10 years. So basically 10 years, statute of limitation. But you are correct, Casey. It was the Nevada Athletic Commission. So I don't know the exact details of all will happen.

And also, I mean, not to get into the technicalities, but if the commission never actually approached him, did he actually run away from it in that sense? Yeah. Like if they showed up and he's like, I'll be right back and then just disappeared. Or not, or like maybe they were out. I don't know the story. I always assume the story was they pulled up

and he was inside the gym, they pulled up outside. Someone was like, hey, popos are here, you know, basically. And everyone just kind of scatters. But if it wasn't like actually formally approached, did you actually officially run away? That's all. That's a good question. It's John Jones, man, always in the news.

I love it. It's 2020 we're still talking about it. Guys, guys amazing. Anyway, what is our next question? Thank you, Zuku Kagan.

Always a pleasure hearing from you in the comment section. I can't read this Twitter handle, so you have to, you might have to read Sam Harris.

Sam Harris 999. Oh, a long time commenter. Where does Buckley's knockout rank and the best knockouts of all time? Personally,

I think it's top three. So I talked about this a little bit on between the links. But we'll start with Jade. Before that, I'll start,

I'll set the scene. Of course, Walking Buckley scored a stunning head kick knockout at the last UFC fight Island card. One of the single greatest knockouts I've ever seen in my life. I don't know if it's the greatest. It's top five for sure. But Jade, where does it rank in your list off the top of your head and greatest knockouts you have ever witnessed?

Not just UFC. It could be all of MMA. So I've been thinking about this because it is hard to say, I mean, it was an incredible knockout. I'd say it's definitely top three. For me, because it depends what you're basing it on. So if you're basing it on, it was just like a fluke or if it was something that was pre-planned based on their game, like what their strategy was. I've got Silver v. Wydenman was a big one just because that knockout was such a big moment for UFC history in terms of, you know, who Anderson Silver is. So that one is a big one for me. That's top.

also have to say, Connemogregor versus Jose Aldo, just because of the precision and the fact that he timed that before he went into the cage. So that one again. Also, you've got Masfidel versus Ascran. So it's just so hard, isn't it? Because there's so many amazing knockouts. It's like, where do you put it? I'd have to say, yeah, Buckley, definitely top three, just from how incredible it was.

I can't see many people able to pull off a knockout like that. So for that alone, you have to put it in top three. So I have that along with Carmen O'Gregor and with Chris Wyden. And then, yeah, Mazvedal are close four. I'm glad you brought up the Wyden and Connor knockouts because they might not be the most athletic, but in terms of the ramifications of the mixed martial arts world, like those two are way up there. So is Holly Holmes on Rhonda Rousey.

I think Gabriel Gonzaga's head kick on Crow Cop was a big one, mostly because he crow cop to crow cop. But yeah, there's some pretty insane ones. I was Kayside, and I know Casey was backstage for, Yair's K.O. against Korean zombie, which to me is the greatest ever. I put Buckley 2.3. I'm trying to think. MVP's on Cyborg, where he broke his face was pretty brutal.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that one was pretty bad. Yeah And I was Cadeside for Lima Knocking Out MVP That was pretty unbelievable Um

Anderson's front kick against B-Tor was obviously huge For the sport There's a there's a there's a ton like I don't know how you can't have Henderson's overhand on BISB On Bizbing and Ghanu's on Overeign

But Casey what are some What are some that you can remember? Where would you put Buckley in your rank? I don't I put a lot of weight into the stakes of the fight and who the competitors are. And unfortunately for Bucky, Bucky, Bucky, Bucky, his friend's calling Bucky. Buckley. And how do you say the opponent's last name?

I know, Inpa. Inp is the same way, I think. Well, I think that's the point. In the sense that it was just a prelim on essentially a. just a regular fight night. And unfortunately for that, it won't be, it would never be the number one knockout. It's just too, too low on the card, not enough stakes in it. But on just pure athleticism, good Lord, it could be the number one knockout ever, just on pure athleticism and just pure, like, holy shit moment, you know? But it's, you know, it's, I'm being generous. I'll

give it a top five, but I put, I put knockouts like Holly, Rhonda, Connor, Otto, um, uh, Vitor, I put those above it because there were spectacular knockouts and they changed the sport. They, you know, so, but what's really impressive about this knockout, though, I have friends, you know, I have friends. That's a big story too. I have friends who do not care about MMA at all. And I love them for that. And even that, even them, they were like, they were like, it's, it's, they were like, it's, they were like, do it, I don't follow fighting. And it's on my fucking, oh, sorry, it's on my Instagram feed now.

like what? So um, did you see who tweeted about it today? Mr. West? Did you see who used that? Kanye West used that video to release a music, release a song. Yeah. Does it get bigger than, has anyone to hit that level of mainstream? And from a prelim to Kanye West tweeting about you, I can't think of anyone that has ever done that. That's, that's what makes so for such a low level fight in a sense of a prelim on E.S. B-M-plus, the fact that it went mainstream, that is super impressive. And, yeah. You tweeted, in all caps, mind you, the whole team is so energized that I had to release

theme music, nah, nah, nah. And then he loops the knockout and released music with it. Was that a new song? That reminds, like, it's, I don't know if I haven't listened to it yet. I just listened like the first couple things. He dropped us a, so rapper and presidential candidate Kanye West, dropped a surprise track late Tuesday night who's spied by Buckley's jaw-droving spinning those are our own Damon Martin's words so shout out to him of course but yeah like

honey West tweeting about you that just reminds you like remember Lady Gaga tweeted about Holly's knockout and I think um remember Beyonce used to show ronda clips at her concerts too the yeah the do nothing don't be a do nothing bitch and uh see it tweeted about vulcanowski if I remember correctly so it's happened before but I again all those people people were naming were championship fights and Buckley was a prelim and Kanye was tweeting about him. So my God, shout out to you, young man, even though he's probably older than me. So I'll say top five, but I agree with Jade and you that the stakes of those other knockouts just make those a little higher up in my list. But I think the greatest one I see is zombie getting chaoed by the air.

Yeah, I think we're in agreement of that one too. I don't yeah just yeah I remember that drive back from the arena we were just like holy crap what did we just see and I I've tried I've tried to do that elbow in the gym and like my back can't spin that much it was just insane like like the the spin kick that buckley did it's not that it's very difficult to do it's just to do it right then and just see it that's the that's just super impressive well if even if you watch that he like input caught that same kick a few times before and then who was um Who is Sage North Cook's sister married to? Raymond Daniels. Raymond Daniels. Yeah, that spin, that tornado chaos we had in Bellator is pretty unbelievable, too. No, it was in Glory.

Oh, yeah. Glory. The glory. No, I thought that was a Bellator fight. No, it was Bellator. The war he jumped up and spun around and punched him. Oh, that one. I'm thinking of the one in the knockout.

He actually did a two-touch spin, but she did it off the guy, the opponent's thigh, rather than being held up, yeah. And let's also not forget, Corey Sanhagen had a spin kick chaos later that night. And earlier in that night, Jade, who got the KOSW? I know you want to say. Wait, you want about on that fight card, on the USC fire card? On the KSW card? On the KSW card?

Or was it KSW? Yeah. Who got the big, who got the other knockout that night? Yeah, it was, um, what's his name? Against Scott Askin. Yes, that was another unbelievable card and, of course, another KSW. And I've forgotten how to say his name, I'm gone. Let's have a knock.

I keep wanting to come to Cannibal Mamad Mahmad Khalidav It's really hard to say So I always have like double check Yeah, Mamad But yeah, it was Yes, it was a switch kick

That's what it was Unbelievable In the first minute of the fight Yeah And I felt so sorry for them as well Because obviously that was such a huge knockout And then obviously Like all the knockouts

That were happening in the USC that night That card was just insane So it kind of took away The shine for Mamma But yeah, that was an insane knockout. Yeah. I think it was, oh, I can't remember. One of the fighters that had just won,

we were waiting to media with him, and he wanted to watch the highlights before he went to the press conference. Like he was standing in front of the TV, just being like, what the fuck just happened? And then after that, every fight was like, did you see that knockout? Like fighters after the fights were all still talking about it backstage.

But we could talk about this forever. Yeah, what was the heavyweight? Um, the, the caucus. Yeah, decacus. He was great. Because he had a big knockout and then, but he's like, oh, I ain't went, I went to know 50K though. He just saw Bucky's knockout.

He still won. Oh yeah. Did he still get 50K? Yeah. There were four performances. And Drickas depless has got a, speaking of KSW events. He got a big win, uh, on that car too. So big night for KSW event.

I told you. I said Dracus Ducas do for see watch out for him because he is, I had the honor of watching him at KSW and he is just incredible. So I knew he's going to come in and point in a performance. He reminds me not in terms of his fighting style, but like Izzy, he came in with an already

solid resume before he joins the UFC. So he's for sure a prospect to watch in Middle East. Is he a prospect or at this point is he kind of like year? I think he is a, he is very, he's still very young. Is he young? Okay. So even he admits he's like, I don't have to get tossed.

He's only like 26, 25. He's like, I don't have to get taught. He's like, I, and he laid it out. He's like, I want to get top 25 and then top 20, then top 15. Like he doesn't want to just jump right up. He gets it. He knows the game. Oh, yeah.

I don't know very much about him. So I wasn't sure if he's like, like, uh, like, Yeri or Michael Chandler were like, they're coming in ready to go. They don't need to be built up. It's funny. Funny story on, if, um, Drake is real quick. Uh, if you watch it, he tried to enter the octagon before he got like the Vaseline and checked and everything.

Oh, no. He might have got the Vaseline. No. So. I think everyone thought he was just excited. And then I saw him after the next day. And I was, Mark Goddard was also there. And apparently, Drickis' loss in KSW,

Mark Goddard was the ref that checked him before. And when he saw Mark Goddard, he's like, nope, not you. And what? Because he's superstitious and tried to walk into the octagon. And he had to get pulled back. So it was more of a superstitious thing and then anything else. It was very funny.

And Mark God, I thought it was hilarious. too. He's like, oh, yeah, I was the one that chucked you. And he's like, and then I got knocked out. But this is the thing. Like, we watch so many fights that sometimes you have to try and remember, like, because when you think about how many fights we watch on a night, and I've got the worst memory ever, and I've been doing it for over a decade. So someone's say, oh, do you remember this fight like six years? And I have to sit there and like, do I? And they're like, gee, you did the post-fight interview? And I'm like, did I? It's just, yeah. I do that all the time. I was like, I've never seen this guy fight before. And then I look at my hard drives. Oh,

I've literally interviewed this guy two times. Yeah. And I'm like, shit. Yeah. So bad. My memory is just shocking. It's just not good. And then no like, Jade, you literally would, you were there. You were Caged side. I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, you know what? Yeah. Story of the game. Anyway, all right. Casey, what is our next question? Because we have to get one question in about him. Oh, there you go. Would Lucke versus Shemayov be a competitive fight? Oh, man. I have not even thought about this fight.

Vicente Luka versus Hamzat Shemaya. I think it would be competitive. I'd still obviously favor Vescenti Lukie just based on what we have seen. But Jade, what do you think of a possible of Vicente Luque Hamzat Shemaya fight at Welterway, find you? That would be fun. But isn't he calling out, I'm sure he's just called out Nate Diaz, doesn't he? He did. He called out Nate Diaz.

Who is he not gone out? offered. Yeah. I mean, I guess. Supposedly he's called out. Yes, exactly. Supposedly Wonderboy turned

Hamzat down at welterweight. Chris Wyman turned him down at middleweight. Leon Edwards, an interview at MMA fighting said that Hamza hasn't beat anyone yet. Michael Kaye said at the media day said that he really, he respects Hamzat's fighting skills.

He's just not there yet. He's mostly just a name. And he doesn't basically fight it. risky fight because you don't want to be used to propel a prospect. But if you beat them, what, like, what really happens? It's kind of like Cory Anderson and Johnny Walker type thing. Yeah. But then Darren Till, Liverpool's own said, Hamza, if I get through Jack, I'll fight you.

And Hamzaat responded with rock and roll, man. So, Jade, what do you think of Darren Till offering to fight Hamza if he gets through, which, mind you, he has to get through Jack Kermanston, which is very difficult. What do you think of that whole situation? Oh, I just think that would be so exciting. Just the build-up to that would be hilarious. I mean, Darren's just hilarious in general. Like, you've seen his Twitter.

He's just, it's the Scouse banter, I will say. The Liverpool banter. But, yeah, I would love to see that fight. But I would love to see him fight anybody because he's just so good. And obviously, he wants to prove himself. I don't think that fight will happen with Diaz, but if it did, that would be awesome.

I think that would be quite a tough fight for him. But I just think a lot of fighters, and I kind of get it because he is still quite new, but at the same time, he's going to give any fighter problems. So I can understand why a lot of fighters aren't going to want to risk that and take that fight. So that's why it's so good that people like, you know, Darren Till have come about and said, yeah, I'll fight you because, you know, he'd just fight anyone. But I would quite like to see that fight against Nick Diaz. Nate Diaz, sorry, I think that would be really good.

I love it. I love I want, I honestly I agree with you. I just want to see Hamzaa fight someone. Also, let's not forget. Let's not forget. He hasn't like, Welterway is supposedly his best weight class. I don't remember who he fought the first time.

But it was a middleweight because it was a late-notice fight that he was in Brave and then he came over with the UFC. So it was a middle-weight because it was late-notice. And then he fought Reese McKee, who was a lightweight, England's own, if I remember correctly. And he's a lightweight that jumped up to Welterweight to fight Hamza. So Hamzaat was a wealthway fighting a lightweight. And then he fights Gerald Mirchart,

who is a legitimate middleweight with a lot of fights and then he just destroyed him. So technically Hamzaa hasn't even fought a welterweight in the UFC yet. So Casey, I know you're a little tired of the Hamzat, maybe not tired of the hype, but you just want to see him fight. What do you think of this whole situation with Hamzaat? The UFC needs to get him in that cage quickly because that was this whole, that was this whole gimmick. That was this whole gimmick. It's like he fights every 15 minutes. You know, he'll fight the first fight on night, then he'll have a meal and fight the last fight of the night. I mean, like, I was really bummed out he wasn't on this, this, this,

any of these fight island cards. Like, he could, like, to me, like, he should have been on every single fight night versus just some, you know, some O and two contender series guy. Just put him on every single card. Like, so by the time the year ends, he's like 15 and O or something. Like, just, I mean. Oh, it would have been hilarious. Just, you know, we, gimmicks sell.

And I think that I've been, if you're not going to give him, like, a name, just get them out there. Get them out there. But, um, yeah. But, of course, I want to see him fight anyone. And I totally understand why these top ranked Walter weights are turning him down because, yeah, it just doesn't make sense to fight a guy like that. Not that they're scared or anything. It just doesn't make sense.

But, yeah. These guys all go through it. Like, Islam Makachev is going through it right now after he lost RDA and no one wants to fight? He's clearly one of the best lightways in the world, but his ranking doesn't match. And then Habib went through the same thing for a while where he basically, it was up to cowboys to be like, y'all fight you. I don't even know you. That fight didn't even end up happening. And then like Habib fell RDA finally and tore through him and that kind of propelled him.

But these guys go through it, man. They're broken English as part of their gimmick and they're not massive names in the U.S. quite yet. Well, Habib is now. But it's like I don't know if you like, I don't know if you watch Dan Hooker's podcast. And he responded to Islam in some pretty aggressive. He's like, let's take a look. He's like, I'm coming off back to back, fight of the night performances. Main event, five rounds against two of the top five welter lightweights in the world.

And Islam Makajev has done fuck all. And you want me to go back to fight him on three days, no, on two weeks notice. And he goes, what am I? Santa Claus? Get to the back line. And I was like, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. I totally understand that.

But it's hard for these guys that I'm not going to get these fights. What? Yeah. And so unless the promoter, Dana or whoever, wants to throw some extra cash at, say, Dan Hooker or someone like that, or someone like Leon Edwards, you know, here's an extra 100 grand or 200 grand to go backwards. You know, you got to make, you got their price fighters. You know, that's how they pay their bills. You got to, you got to make it financially worth it to take that risk. Because right now you're just this high risk, low reward.

But, wait, wait, real quick, what happened to the Maya fight? The Maya officially turned into. Exactly. Exactly. I thought Dana said, like, this was our double, that was the whole signboard. We booked two fights and then it didn't happen. Like, was that all just, was that wolf tickets? Also, I'll tell you this now.

We'll find out tomorrow because Hamza Mimev is doing his own media day here on Fight Island after the Ortega zombie stare down on the beach. So we'll find out for you tomorrow, Casey. How about that? One thing I think it's really kind of really neat by this whole pandemic era of MMA. in UFC that think of the two one of the two two of the biggest stars that have come out of this no fight island ufc pandemic error have been shemayev who's still an unranked guy and buckley who was basically a uh a waltrowweight middleweight journeyman so these two kind of you know

no name guys are now like the biggest names right now coming out of this it's just not not not top fighters just guys you know so i just active they're active yeah active. So I just think it's interesting. I agree. Very, um, neat. That was a long answer to a Vicente Luke A that we didn't really talk about. Thank you, James, for the launching pad to talk about Hamzaa Shama. Or as Michael Khe keeps calling him, has Matt Shamaio. I also found out he's like Michael Keeh's friends call him cheese because his last name looks like cheese. They'll be looked up, cheese. Hamza Oh,

how does Matt Shemayev's new Carless Conduit Remember? Remember? Remembering Dias? Oh, that's right. And Gibler.

Yeah, Gibler, yeah. Oh, but to answer James G's question, yes. Yeah, we didn't really answer. That's funny. Yes.

Yeah, I'd say. So this question is from long-time viewer Ed, Ed Reno. Sorry, we don't have, we don't have his name.

I wish, I don't know. I know he's not, you can't hear him jade but ed who has asked this question has one of the most soothing voices you'll ever hear and my voice will not do him justice uh really so it's yeah it's um he is also the smartest human being i've ever met in my life so i'll read it i guess how does chanseng jun's career change if he's elbow misses by just half an inch who's he fighting now instead of ortega this is a fascinating question because we talked about yairair uh kio and the korean zombie which

came with one second left in their five-round fight. One second. If Korean zombie doesn't rush forward, he wins that fight. And he probably gets the title shot, honestly. I truly believe if he had beaten the I-R-R-R-Ax, he probably would have fought Max, not Volcanowski. Or he would have fought Max instead of, was Volcanowski the next fight for him? If I remember correctly, I can't even remember.

For Holloway? No, Holloway fought Porribe between those two. Okay. So I think it was, yeah, regardless, yeah. So I think, yeah, Korean zombie would have been the man to fight Max at Featherweight, the then champion Max Holland. But he got Coyote and then he went on this tear again. And now he's a potentially one win away. So, Jade, if Yaya Rodriguez misses or Korean zombie doesn't rush forward or Yaya throws the elbow one second later,

what does Chan Sung Jung's career look like in 2020? I have to agree with you. I think he'd have been fighting for the title. For sure. Yeah, I think we would have seen, I think we would have seen two fights in that time. I think we would have seen him fight Holloway and I think we'd have seen him fight Volcanovsky. So yeah, it's just such a shame. It's just like, and this is why I love MMA so much, is that the slightest mistake, the

most minuscule of mistake can cost you so badly and it can really throw you back down the rankings easily. And yeah, so it is so annoying. It is that thin. I mean, look at Aldo. It's, yeah, just that slight mistake. And that's why MMA is so deadly because like, it's such an exciting sport, yeah, because you make one wrong punch, you don't move your head the right way, whatever it is. And then, I mean, we saw that against Wyman, um, when he threw that back kick. And it just all when it's wrong. good point. Yeah. It was that one thing and then that just, you know, he's, I can't remember how many times he lost after that, but I think that I'm trying to remember some of the heads,

but yeah, just slight things like that can really just knock your career back again. So I think, yeah, he would have been fighting for the town. 100%. I think Widman and neither Wydenman and Rockhold would have been the same sense of that fight. But yeah, I forgot, like, I haven't even thought about comparing those. Like, if Wyman doesn't throw that spin, like he was losing already, let's not forget that. But if he doesn't throw that spinning back, we don't know what would happen. But he did and he lost. And I think he has

one win, if I'm not mistaken since then. Was that the Kelvin knockout that you were at, Casey? Yeah. He didn't knock out Kelvin. I think he wound up submitting him. Or did he knock out Calvin? Well, either way, he built Kelvin was his highest level win after that. Then, of course, you know, he had a lot of tough losses.

Against high level. He beat Amari. Yeah. He beat Omari. But against like a level, A level fighters. Yeah, that was his last, you know, high-level fight he won. But I think the big difference with this, with Korean zombies knockout, you know, we call these, no, you just have to make one mistake. And then I just go back to last week with Buckley, with his opponent, Inpa. All Inpa did was make literally a half-second hesitation. When he caught that foot, because when you catch that foot, you got to throw it to the side real quick.

Or you got to rush him. You got to change the – you can't just stand there. He just kind of caught it. And then he just kind of stood there for half a second going, oh, what should I do next? And that half second was enough for Buckley to, you know, become a Kanye West music video. So, yeah. So, but for Korean zombie, though, what the difference is, like,

Korean zombie didn't even make a mistake in a sense. In fact that he is such an exciting fighter, the fight was won. Remember? And I remember, you kind of give him a hug and it was like five seconds left. It's like, all right, come on. Let's just throw it. It's just throw down for the last five seconds. And yeah, he was like, and these zombies, like, okay.

You know, and that, so he gets knocked out because he was trying to give the fans what they wanted. So it just kind of, it sucks for zombie that sense. You know, he could have just been kind of boring and just gone, nah, dude, you come at me. He wins, zombie, zombie wins that fight. He fights Holloway, Volcanowski. It's just another city boxing guy. Like the, the land, everything changes if he doesn't, you know, try to please the fans. But, man, yeah, that's a, yeah, I think, yeah, I think zombie would have fought Holloway and I don't know if he beats Holloway.

But good Lord, I want to see that fight at some point. I want to see that fight when Holloway is still at his athletic prime. So, and he actually, he has, I would have to say he is because I felt Holloway won the rematch. So, yeah, it's just, it's like, man. Imagine, it's like we're talking about split seconds. Like, remember when. Darren Till fought Tyon Woodley, he has that like jab into the pullback uppercut that he always connects. And it's like half a second between the jab and the pullback and the up cut.

And Tyran Woodley timed it so perfectly that the second Darren Till pulled back, Tyroly just went and knocked him dead. And then choked him with the Darstoke got his black felt. We have an end still. And then Darren Till eventually gets decapitated by Mazudal, which then starts the resurrection tour. So, my one set back again, imagine if Darren Telt beat Ty and Woodley, would we have gotten the Mazurl return? Who knows? These are all questions that are all hypothetical. That's the thing by MMA.

Like, I don't think there's any other sport where essentially you lose because you have to make a mistake. Someone has to make, someone has to screw up first. Someone has to make a technical error first. And yeah, it's just, it's kind of awesome that way. And it's not like boxing where you have the mandatory rematches. Like Andrew E. Bates Anthony Joshua, they automatically have to rematch.

Deontze Wilder loses Tyson Fury automatic rematch. So it's not like that in the UFC. You lose, you lose. You move on. There's no like, hey, unless, of course, Bokanowski Holloway, because that was such a controversial decision.

But it was a silly sport. Unless it puts butts in seats. That's true. Thank you for the question, Ed. Ooh, from the seaside. Prediction for Cyborg. Let's not forget. Belator returns state side, if I remember correctly.

Chris Cyborg returns to the octa. Who is she fighting? Arlene Glinkgo. Aline Glinkow. Arlene Glinko. So, Casey, I'll start with you because you cover Belator. You've covered a million Belator fights more than me. You've covered Cyborg extensively in their Strike Force days too.

So is it just a formality that we have an end still after her fight? I know that might be a little disrespectful. I take this to, this is a bit like Chef Janko versus Maya. Yes, Maya can beat Shevjanko, but I just don't see it. Glenko can beat Cyborg. I just don't see it. She's a tough, talented, gritty boxer. Mostly a boxer, I feel like.

I've seen a couple of her fights. Nothing kind of blows me away about her. She's obviously talented. But Cyborg just blows you away when you see her fight. So this should be a nice showcase championship fight for Bellator. And hopefully, yeah, it should be exciting one to watch. It will be exciting to watch. I don't see very many opportunities for Glinkgo to beat Cyborg, though.

I just don't see her having that one-punch power to really give, to really make Cyborg go backwards like Amanda Nunes was able to. Or even some of the Muay Thai fights that Cyborg has lost before. Jade, same question. Is this a formality of Anne still for Cyborg? And if it is, is anyone on the Bellator roster, can anyone give her a challenge at Featherweight? I have to go to Casey because I don't know too much about her opponents, but just from what I know about obviously, Cyborg. I just think, I agree that it's a great showcase for her.

There are not many people who have been able to throw hands with her. I mean, like you mentioned, with newness. But yeah, I just, I think she's going to give a lot of women in the division a big problem. So I just, yeah, I think I just predict she's going to have a really great run over there. And I think it's going to be really tough for someone to try and take her out. And, you know, the people who have beaten Cyborg are some of the best fighters in the world. So, yeah, I think, I think Cyborg is definitely going to take it. I don't think she's going to have many problems in there.

I think the name to give her is Kazangano if she gets through this fight. He's a cat's a name. She's a super talented fighter. She's a featherway right now. Her loss to Megan Anderson was a loss of Fair and Square loss, but it was like a toe stab in the face. And then like she thought she was going to lose her eye. Yeah.

Yeah. So it was it was a fair. She lost Ferren Square. It wasn't like an eye poke or anything, but it was just like one of those freak knockouts. I mean, it actually was an eye poke. It's just technically toe pokes aren't illegal. Right. It's just, yeah.

Oh, and when Kat described it, actually, when she did an interview maybe a year ago. She thought her eye was leaking. Yeah, she goes, she goes, she goes, she was like this for like a longest time. She goes, I felt if I would have moved my hand, my eyeball would have fallen out. I was like, ooh, okay. All right. She said that when we were both backstage in the Phoenix card. She was the guest fighter.

But yeah, you're not wrong. So I think Cass and Giles is the fight to make. I believe Cyborg is going to win. I give every opponent a 1% chance of winning, unless you're Betchko Hea fighting Ronda Rousey. I was pretty confident. Betchko He was not going to be Ronda Rousey. I was also pretty confident

and Connor was not going to beat Habib, but I think Cyborg is a pretty, which is a good lot. You just put Betchko Hay and Connor in the same category. I like that. I like that. I did. Wow.

They both had a fight in 2020. Okay. So this is all we're going to talk about Connor real quick, but I'm interested. Who did Connor have a better chance against? Habib or Mayweather? With Instacard, you get groceries that over-deliver, so you can over-share your preferences. Want russet potatoes with no brown spots? You got it.

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Wow. Habib. Habib. Habib. I agree. I agree to. I think there was a... If they fought 100 times, there's a chance.

Connor could win two. Yeah, I think against Mayweather. Yeah. One maybe. And Floyd wins 100. Yeah. Well, the one time, you know, he wears that cool robe and everything. You get a tripped and twisted his ankle on the way to the cage.

It's true. You know, you never know. All right. So we got a Shama, we got a Shami have question. We got a Connor question in there. Good. Even though it was my cyborg. We're talking about Connor.

It happens. Ooh, here you go. My favorite. Oh, I cut the name out. So I'm sorry. Can you read this one for me, Casey? I mean, make it up a game. I cut the name on accidents.

I'm not sure he wrote this. Can you read that? I can't. As happens, as happens with all stacked division, 135 is now becoming a bit of a log jam. Aside from Sanhagan Marais, just fighting, not a single other member of the top 10 as a fight book.

What the flying fuck is going on? Aside from Aldo and Jan, how would you match up the rest of the top 10? Edgar, Munoz, Aldo, Cruz, Rivera, Sunsau. Also, Yadong, Vera, font, don't have fights either. So, oddly enough, Yon and Alzermaine are supposedly being targeted right now for the main event of the December card.

So they would, oh no, the co-main event. They would be the co-main event. And Amandana is the main event would be the main event, which is fine. Amanda is the greatest female fighter of all time. And she is technically the higher weight class. Usually the higher weight class is the main event against Bantamway. So people complaining that a female is female fights headlining over a male fight. People complain about that?

Of course. You know the drill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys know the drill. So anyway, I tweeted a couple of matchups I like. I like Jan Alzermaine. I think it's obviously probably going to happen. I think San Hagen and Dillishaw in January.

I want to see Cruz versus Frank Yeager very badly. I think Marius, Marlon Marius and Pedro Munoz is good. Jose Aldo, Uriya favorite Banim White. I think Jimmy Rivera, I think Chito Vera wants to fight Jimmy Rivera. So I wouldn't hate that one. And then Font versus Song Yodong is a fun scrap for me too, considering font. and Cody Stamen had beef and Stamman and Yadong, I think, fought to a draw at some point.

But Jade, if you're booking this bansomweight division that is all of a sudden one of the most exciting divisions in the UFC. Also, let's not forget, I believe Nathanielin, Casey Canney are fighting coming up soon. That's a scrap. Two, I completely forgot about that. I think you got tossed that fights, the winner of that fight somewhere. Real quick, and Davao Sili is booked against Cody Stamon. That's correct. Another two.

Merov Davaljvilley. So, Jade, if you're booking this incredibly stacked abandoned weight division, what are you doing? I agree with you. I was actually going to bring up to the show because I think,

is he three months? I can't remember how many months. He can come back in January. You can come back in January. Yeah. And then obviously Sanhagen he's got an eye injury, apparently.

So at the saying, 180 days, but I don't know whether that's going to be the case he's saying. So that fight would be awesome as a return fight. I'd like to see that. Obviously, I'm so glad that Aljo finally got the fight, bless him, because he's been trying to get that fight for so long. So it's great that it's finally announced that that fight's actually going to go ahead. Obviously, it's great

seeing Nathaniel Wood fighting again. He's going to be a huge prospect in the UFC for the UK. So we do have some good fights coming up. It's slowly but surely getting there. So we do have some great fights to look forward to. If we're so, We've talked about this before when Pizza Carol was here and he was absolutely losing his mind, especially being over in Europe. Was it? Didn't it drive you crazy that they books Nathaniel Wood in Rio Rancho like a month before the UFC London was happening?

Yeah, it was so annoying. So annoying. Because as you guys know, I'm always like messaging you guys, which I think is why I've got a coffee addiction is because where all for six I am watching fights, dedication for the UK funds. So, like, fight cards for us, they start, like, 10, 11 o'clock. The main card usually starts between 1 and 3, depending on where it is. Usually 3. It'll start 3.m.

So, yeah, like, when we get some great UK fights come through and then you have a UK London card, it was a little bit annoying, especially when he's, you know, that's where he trained. He's, you know, a London boy. Yeah, he walks out with the London flag and everything. So, like, how are you not going to put him there? Yeah, exactly. Oh, well.

But we've got some great times. I'm glad you brought up the time zone thing, because every time I tweet about the annoying times over here, like, oh, I have to go to fights at midnight or two in the morning. I know Jade, Zara, who is obviously on Twitter. She's a Twitter personality, too. Nile, who still owes me a chicken, chicken palm. Pee-C., like Phil, they all tweet me.

And they're like, shut up, man. Like, I don't want to hear it. Like, welcome to our life. I was like, yeah, yeah, whatever, man. Every weekend. It's all like the five of them. Yeah, and that's what we do for a weekend. Because I do always get asked, like, oh, you know, what do you do at the weekend?

I'm like, I'm up at five in the morning, like, watching fights. That's what I'm doing in my PJs with a cup of tea. So, yeah, that's my weekend. How do you drink your morning tea? How do I have my tea? Yeah. So you probably, because this is what I'm a day. I saw someone like doing it all wrong and it really stressed me out.

So you put the hot water in, the tea bags in, you put the hot water in, and then you put the milk in, and then you take the tea bag out. No sugar. But if it's coffee, I will have two sugars. So usually when we get to about 3am is when the coffee comes out and then I'll start having like coffee to keep me going. But yeah, that is the correct way we have in English too. So you do, so you put the cream in with the bag still in it. Just the... Yeah.

So you... So I have semi-skinned milk. So you put, obviously, you boil a kettle. You've already got the tea bag in the cup. Pour it in. Some people like to let it through for like five minutes. I don't tend to do that. And then you pour, obviously,

a dash of milk in. And then, obviously, you know, then you take the tea bag out. No sugar. I can honestly say I don't think I've ever had. I don't know. I know I've never had. a proper English tea.

I just drink my coffee straight black. I don't know where Casey went. Casey, where did you go? Casey, what happened? Depended at my tea. I'm just... Ungodly.

Pesick and rebella. Yeah, Pezick was barking at the neighbor, so I had to go get the dog. Do we have any more questions, Casey? Because one just came in specifically for Jade. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you can just read that one. Read that question. Yeah. Hashty the A side. Question for Jade Morris or at Jane Morris M.A. What is the biggest upcoming KSW card slash fight that can't be missed? Thanks to you,

Casey and Jose, good show. Are there scheduled KSW fights happening right now? I know they just had the card, but I don't know if there's, I don't know off the top of my head if they have any presently announced. Yeah. I'm just going to have a quick look because I don't know what the next one is, actually. I'm not

100% sure. I know. I don't know. I don't know. They just had the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hate KSW. I have to wake up at 5 in the morning to watch the fight.

Don't even. Don't even. I'm so tired. I got to get my tea and my biscuit and the cream and I don't know. I don't mind waking up. Oh, we have. We have KSW 56. Oh, yeah, I've just remembered now.

And it's Roberta's Soled. So yes, that is a good fight too. watch um when it is that 40th of the Croatian guy yeah he's good he's incredible so he's been on all the cards that i've been on let's i can't actually see the fight cards of that one this ksw do they have fights outside of poland or just all over europe um yeah so they have around i think it's around six fights a year is something and they do like one or two in London okay um I I know they've done one in Croatia I know they don't want in Dublin well other than that it's usually Poland and England and then remember we interviewed Martin Casey I think it was

UFC 239 fight week and he had laid out this big plan of you want to do some cross-promotion stuff with Bellator he wanted at the time he wanted Ryan Bader to fight Phil DeFries which I was about. I know he wanted Chandler and fight Gamron and I was like, and now they're both in the UFC. Shockingly enough. He wanted to do some stuff with Risen 2, which would have been awesome.

And then he wanted to go bring KSW to Chicago in America because there's a big Polish scene. He basically wanted to test it. He wanted to co-promone a show in Chicago with Bellator to see if it would succeed. But of course, the pandemic kit, and I don't know how far long they got.

Because he said, I said, I was like, what's the big holdup? And you said money. And I go, yeah, that makes sense. No, though, it is huge because every time I've covered the KSW event, it is packed out, like fully packed out. Like, they, in colon, you know, they love their MMA. And I'm just having a look.

So it doesn't say who Roberta Soleditch is fighting. Thomas Narcon, he's fighting. Yeah. So the fight card hasn't like officially been announced yet from what I can see. But that's the next one. But yeah, Thomas Snar. He is a fighter to watch in KSW. I am looking at his 17 and 3.

There's a bunch of wins already in KSW. He's won and lost the KSW champ. Has the, he's the guy that beat Drikas. TK. I forgot about that. He's 1-1 against Drix. Man, I forgot about that. So if he ever hops over the UFC,

that trilogy fight is sitting right there. Well, it is Welterway. And I saw Drickis after his fight. And I'm like, how the hell do you make, did you ever make Welterway? He is massive. Yeah. Massive. But then again, everyone looks massive next to me.

So when I do interviews, I have to wear like heels like this. Sure. Like, I can only even know it's my pain. We're both around the same height. Oh, yes, she does. So we're always joking about our height. So I've been in the arena for rising shows. And the live event, the live event is just spectacular.

I've never been to KSW. You have, tell me what it is like to be in the arena for all their theatrics and lights and show that they have in Poland for those shows. It is the coolest thing I have ever seen. So I was stood by the stage when, so what they obviously do is they bring them all up on the stage and then you feel like the fire going up.

So they do the opening ceremonies and things like that? Yeah. They do like the full thing. And I just remember saying, they go, what is this? This is the same? So it was my very first one. And I'd obviously never seen it before.

And I was like, this is so cool. So I got introduced to it. And now, like, I just loved that promotion. And it was packed out. Like, everyone was beside us. And it was really knowledgeable fans as well. Like, they really like, so like when I went to the ground, there wasn't as much booing.

It was just people seemed to get what was going on. And the fights were insane. There was some terrifying knockouts that I'd seen as well. So I'd done it when Phil DeFries was fighting. Reberta Soleditch, Stryphus Dupaci. So I was watching all these guys and the fights were just such high level, which is why KSW is just so popular in Poland. Obviously, it's Polish promotion, but it's so popular because the fights they put on and the quality

of the promotion is just incredible. Awesome. And they've produced what? John Blahovich, Gamrod, of course. I assume Tabura fought there. He's another Polish fighter. Joanna Carolina Colovacavich So for all these people that say like

Oh not in the UFC They're not good like man Some of the best fighters in the world And like Casey Shakespeare said Because the argument is ridiculous Yeah I just Like we're about like Michael Chandler Hopson and people are like

Oh it's B League I'm like Or Petrusio Pitball is just an unbelievable fighter And knocked them out Like just because Michael Chandler Lost a pitball is nothing to shake your head at I still can't get out I will say looking Go ahead

And I still can't get out of my head When James Vic fought Justin Gachie and James Vicks are like whatever you fought in the minor leagues whatever this is the big the big boys fight here Homer you know it's like oh don't say

that man you are good don't don't say that James Vick it's smashed and it's like looking back on it the two losses to Will Brooks are a little weird for Michael Chandler considering we saw how my Will Brooks career kind of played out after that

but he lost Farrant Square both times it's still weird It's still weird to think that he has two losses to Will Brooks and Bellator. And then I think Will Brooks beat Ross Pearson and then that's it in the UFC. Will Brooks is probably on that unfortunate list of kind of biggest free agent flameouts, I guess, in the UFC. Guys came over super high expectations and, yeah, just didn't show up. I put him up there on that list of guys like Hatsuoyoki.

Guys, I thought would be like. Lombard. Yeah, Lombard. guys i thought we're gonna be fighting for the title well lombard i wasn't at high as a believer in him but obviously the ufc was because they paid him the money but uh guys um i thought lombard would have been great at welterweight but then once they got rid of the iv he couldn't have made well too was that oh yeah something yeah um so we're he whoops jake shields of welterweight but we're a little over time yeah we're yeah we're about the hour mark so we got lots of more questions so we

we do rapid fire rapid fire so basically he said hatsuki yokeyoki i haven't thought about that name in a long time. Dude, that guy was, like, Korean zombie was, like, the third best featherweight in Sengoku at the time. And, like, and I think it was Marlon Sandro and Hioki were, like, kind of the premier ones.

And zombie was kind of in the middle, you know, as far as, like, the name value over there. But yeah. Do, too, too. Oh, well. All right. Rapid fire. Let's do it.

Do, do, do, do, do. Oh, we can't read that. I can't. I can't read that. Something about Tatiana Suarez. Yeah. Tatiana Suarez was taking out of the ranking, but Nina wasn't.

Do you think this sets of bad, example. Also, uh, need said, I think Nina said she was coming back at flyaway. It seems like Dan is playing favorites because he loves Amanda so much. What are your thoughts? So Jade, what are your thoughts on Tatiana Suarez being taken out of the rankings after a long lie off given that she has the win over Nina and Nina is still in the rankings. Yeah, I've, I don't, I don't know to me. I don't know enough about I'm just trying to remember. When did this happen? UFC. So they, she just got taken all the rankings very recently, but both of their last

fights for UFC 238, which was June 2019. I personally think it's just because Tatiana has that really bad neck injury, and she doesn't know when she's going to come back. Well, Nina, who just gave birth, I think has told Dana, like, once I get back in shape, I will be ready to go. I think this is just a more up. We don't know. There's so much mystery around Tatiana's neck injury that she could be out for another year

and a half. And Nina is already working to get back. So I think that's the answer. And the problem is as well. First hand, I've had some neck injuries from jiu-suitzoo and mine still hurts. Like I'm still in physio now after three years and that's how long it can take you out for. I mean, Rosammy unit, I was shocked at how quickly she came back to be honest because she had a very bad neck injury.

So yeah, it's hard, isn't it? Like you can say, well, that's a bit unfair at the same time if Nina, she has a set date that she's gone back. I don't know. It's hard because it's, you don't really know. know what is going on behind closed doors, what's been said in terms of how long she could be back. So she could have been told you might not be able to fight for a few years. You just don't know. So I don't know. It's a hard one.

It's an unfortunate situation. I personally think Tatian is the best straw weight in the world when she's healthy. Rankings are fake. Yes, they are. What's due with Dillishaw upon his return? His suspension is up less than three months. Does he get him get a title shot or should you fight number of contender, flyaway? Well, definitely not flyway, considering that's what caused this so chaos because he took the EPO trying to get down to flyaway. But I thought, I think me, Jade and Casey all agree the Sanhagen fights

and awesome fights to make, right? Yeah. I think that's what we're all in agreement. And I think the timeline's about right for that too. I agree 100%. Because if he beats Corey, then give him a title shot and no one can complain. but they still will a few more questions off the

YouTube chat Tristan Gordet Michael Chandler talks about wanting to fight Tony Ferguson but he said that Ferguson turn the fight down if that fight doesn't happen what do you think about Chandler versus Hooker? I love it Jade what do you think? Yeah that would be an awesome fight I yeah I just want to see Mike Chandler again next I think

isn't he he's already at fire island isn't he's like going to be the replacement for his I don't think you see I don't know if he's here yet but he'll be on stand by and keep something happens. Yes, in case something happens with Gatian, and then-Germazam. But, yeah, it would have been great to see him fight,

Tony Ferguson. I think that would have been such a good fight. But yeah, seeing him against Tucker would be great as well. I think that would be quite a fun fight. I think Chandler versus any top five, top seven, top eight guy, that's all it matters. I agree. That's all we want to see.

Yeah. I mean, as much as I want to see Chandler in the UFC cage, the Machincha fight just didn't. do it for me, even though, because I know people are talking about Islam Machchev. I just, I just don't see that as like his first fight. I get it. I get why people wanted it just because he's training partners with Habib, even if he beats his training partner that can set this, plant the seeds and this and that. But I don't think the UFC would have done that anyway.

Okay. Yeah, Chandler Hooker or Chandler Felders, who I want. Yep. How do you see Dern versus Janderoba going, man, I haven't even begun to think about this? So, of course, McKenzie Dern is fighting Janderoba. who is there are two of the absolute best jih jih Tijuana practitioners, not just in the female strawaway division, but in all the UFC.

Casey, you got all hyped up. What do you think about this crap? I absolutely love it. I think this is, I think I'm, I love to be wrong, but I'm shocked that the UFC book this fight. I'm shocked that McKinsey Dern agreed to this fight, because I think Jan Doraa is just a better all-around mixed martial artist. Maybe in pure jihidoo, maybe Dern might win,

but I think Janroba is, actually, I think she's the dark horse in the strawweight division. I would not be surprised if we see Jan D'Aroba by the end of 2021 fighting for the UFC title. I don't know if she'll win, but I just think she's spectacular. And yeah, but I'm a big fan of Jandaroba. Jade, are you in agreement? I agree. And I just think we haven't seen someone who can challenge McKenzie on the ground.

So that would be really interesting to say. And I think she, I think McKenzie then like she's, she's gaining a lot of momentum now. So I think this fight will be really good for her as well. And if she wins, she's going to prove such a big point. So I think, you know, this is a great fight for both of them for sure. Yeah, I know rankings are silly, but I'm pretty sure they're 1314 in the ranking. So it would make sense on paper. I also, I love this crap.

Yeah. With Kayla Harris and possibly leaving PFL after her latest lawsuit against him, you guys think she goes over to bellator does she fight it at 155 case she fights 155 but i'm pretty confident with a little yeah she she's she's she's a big woman but i don't think i don't think i don't think i don't look at her and see and think 45 is out of the question for her i think just because i agree um i think just because she had opportunity at 55 why not but um obviously uh if if if the pfl thing just dissolves belator yeah, please sign Kayla Harrison

and UFC just get rid of your 45s division put all the ladies in Bellator and it's get what it's just get them all on one group that's all I want to see. I don't care, I don't care where it is but Kayla Harrison versus Cyborg is an awesome

scrap but on the flip side Kyle Harrison versus the man in the unit is also an awesome stuff. Yeah, both of them. Either one. Both of them. Either one. You know it's an awesome scrap. You know it's an awesome scrap? Cyborg versus Nunes 2. Imagine if they were still, they were on the same promotion, Casey. Oh my God,

that's going to haul me forever. I would like to see that rematch though. That would have been so good. I was shocked. I didn't expect it to be that dominance. I really thought, you know. I'm sorry, you're one. I was just to say,

I really thought it was going to, you know, she was going to be challenged a lot more than that. I thought it was going to be a real back and forth. So I was quite, yeah, I was quite surprised. See, but I, I actually took it. Guillermo did that article where he asked all the Brazilian fighters and like 90% of them picked Cyborg to win.

Really? I don't see. I actually, I thought the Cyborg's opponent, Glencow, she talked about that fight, Cyborg versus Nunes. I thought she said something, which I believe too. Because you said that fight was dominant. And it was dominant since that it ended quickly. But it was because the way Cyborg chose to fight.

It's like basically she made it a coin flip fight. You know, and I really believe that if they would have done a full-on trilogy, like it could have been as exciting as DC versus Stepe. If you just go in the first fight, you would think, oh, D.C. is going to beat Stepe 98 of 100 times. Look, Stepe, that was a dominant victory. This is M&A. We talked about it earlier. One mistake.

And Cyborg made that one strategic mistake is like, oh, you punch me. I'm going to punch you back harder. And to me, that was the only way Cyborg was going to lose. in that fashion was that's just throw hooks in the hooks in the hook's in the pocket yeah looking like cane jDS is the same thing yeah like it's it's these fights

that it's yeah like king gets destroyed in the first fight and then just beats the soul out of jds and two and three so yeah you're not wrong yeah i'm not suggesting cyborg rolls through a man of nuna's in a rematch i just think there's such high level fighters that um you throw that you run you run that one back that's all

I agree do do do yeah is there any more case I know we went a little bit time but we're all we're all friends here all right it's just yeah

it's just talk about the big news of the day what was the holdup on yon sterling well I think we can all agree that the UFC was probably waiting for the outcome of marlon moray's coria sanhagan

if marlin had won pretty spectacularly they probably would have made to fight make yon versus uh mares since they were had pretty They were supposed to fight in Kazakhstan anyway, and Marlon beat Aldo, so maybe they were waiting for that. But literally, like, a couple days after the fight, they announced to fight.

We're in agreement, right? Jade, first. We're all in agreement. Yeah, no, 100%. But I'm just glad that they finally announced it because, you know, you see Sterling literally every day he's pushing for these fights. So it's great to see that he's finally getting that opportunity, like for sure. It's good to see it's finally come into fruition. Yeah, that's only that makes sense that the UFC was waiting for the Steve of Marlin beat San Hagan.

And maybe just because they literally already had a contract. It's like, hey, we can save the paperwork. We don't have to hire lawyers to make a new contract. We have it right here. We just got to put Title Fy at the top. Yeah, maybe it was simple as that. Just trying to save a little administration work. But, yeah, San Hagan won through those matchmaking plans out the window.

And yeah, so we got the fight and I'm super excited. And I'm actually, I'm very excited the UFC put the ladies above him too. That's pretty cool. But yeah, give them the shine. Yeah. Yay, they're going to fight. Yeah, finally. Is that it on questions, Casey?

That's it. And that is it for another episode of the A-Side live chat here on MAPFIN.com. Thank you for sticking around. Thank you for joining us 30 minutes late. I know Media Day went a little long, But now that this stream is over, you can go watch all the interviews I did at Media Day because they're great. Brian Ortega was awesome. Korean zombies said Reebok was stupid.

Cyril gone didn't show up because this fight is all of sudden out. So I think it was all around a pretty good media day. It just went along. But of course, Jade, I don't know if you know the drill, but the drill is you are the guest of honor. You get to you get the closing remarks to say, plug, comment, talk about whatever you want before we sign off. Oh, wow. The pressure. pressure.

Oh, what can we talk about? My closing comments. Yeah. What are you working on now, Jay? Anything you want. Yeah, anything. You're in a movie, right? Tell us about what movie you're in.

Yes. So I was just in a short film, which was a boxing film, called Shadow Boxer. And I'm so excited. It just won the Audience Film Awards 2020, which was really exciting. So hopefully it will come out soon and you guys can see it. But yeah, it was really fun. And we actually, we filmed it in, there was actually like a live boxing fight going on when we did it.

So we actually had like a live boxing crowd. And literally in the interval, we filmed an entire like short film. And we had like, it was literally like theater. And we had to do it at a specific time for when the main card started. So it was, yeah, it was quite crazy to do. But it was like, it just came out so great. And I just can't wait for everyone. to see it. So it's very exciting. And we actually have a real boxer in it as well. So he,

it was actually based off a true story. And he's called Chris Evangeloam. So we're going to get too much away. But yeah, he's really, really good in it. So I can't wait for people to see it. Casey, is this the first movie star we've had on the A side? Ooh. Movies there. I don't know if Biggie has been in movies. I don't know if Shane has been in movies. They didn't talk about it. But thank you so much, Jade. I know we will have back. I know maybe Mike Heck will have you on between the links and you can challenge the reigning champion Phoenix Carnaval in the future. But for Jose, that is Casey. That is Jade. You can find this on Stitcher, Spotify, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, all the podcasts.

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