MMA Fighting - The A-Side Live Chat | Brock Lesnar rumors, Daniel Cormier's retirement, Jorge Masvidal vs. Nate Diaz 2, Leon Edwards' future, more

Episode Date: September 2, 2020

For this episode, MMA journalist Matt Wells joins José Youngs and E. Casey Leydon react to some of the biggest stories in MMA. Some topics include Brock Lesnar’s free agency, Daniel Cormier’s retirement, potential opponents for Jon Jones’ heavyweight debut, the possibility of Stipe Miocic vs. Francis Ngannou 2, and more. The three  also react to the recently announced UFC welterweight title fight between Kamaru Usman vs. Gilbert Burns and the rumored BMF title fight rematch between Jorge Masvidal vs. Nate Diaz. Also on tap is preview of UFC Vegas 9, featuring a heavyweight tilt between Alistair Overeem vs. Augusto Sakai. Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow E. Casey Leydon : @ekc Follow Matt Wells: @MrMWellsArt Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We did a Tuesday, but that never even aired because of technical issues with my good buddy, Matt and howells, joining us. So let's redo it all over again with no technical issues this time joining us for the second week in a row. Hopefully you can actually answer questions this time without YouTube dying on us. Mr. Matt Wells. Matt, how's life been the last eight days since we last chatted? It's been more 2020 as 2020 can be. I guess that's the best way to put it. You know, got a lot of personal family stuff going on. But hey, I'm here. Again, I'm glad to be invited back. And now hopefully the YouTube holds up this time so we can have a nice smooth show. One would hope, but knowing the AISI live chat and technical difficulties, something will pop up,

whether it would be weird audio, weird video, lagging, who knows. But fingers crossed. But Casey, you're back in Englewood after how long were you gone for a week? About a week. About a week. I actually took a, I was forced to take a slight vacation. So, yeah. I'm back in the real world.

And, you know, yay. Good to see you guys. Of those seven days you were out, how many of those days do you spend outside in nature? Oh, man. at least yeah most yeah yeah we want it was actually we were planning a big camping trip

but because of all the dang fires and I know the earth burning the death right now made the air kind of crappy so we didn't get to camp as much but I did spend a lot of time hiking and just out in the river and just you know being a fool so it was New Mexico you were at yeah we're down New Mexico and stuff

just riding mountains yeah just getting on naturey yeah That week I was gone between the two A-side episodes. I think I spent five of the six days outside. So yes, it's glorious to get outside now and then. But as no one wants to hear about our vacations, they want to talk about fish fighting or anything else they want to talk about.

Maybe we'll talk about basketball, baseball. Probably not because no one cares about baseball in 2020. Actually, it doesn't even exist in case he's a big Rockets fan. Matt is not so maybe there'll be a fight. But as you know, this is not our podcast. This is your podcast. You can ask a question on Twitter, the site, YouTube comments. We might even go a little longer to make up for last week.

Who knows? But Casey, what is our first question? Yes. Jessica, Crystal Crew. Ooh, thanks for reminding me. I actually want to give a shout out at the end of the podcast, but we'll wait. So what do we got? First question.

This is actually a question we got from two weeks ago. Oh, yes. Well, last week, and then everything crashed. So we'll answer again from MMG 2K20 on Twitter. Can Woodley still be considered one of the best welterways of all time having lost his last 10 rounds? Also, have you seen Dana's guns lately? Do you think he passed you saw the test? So yes, we answered this question briefly last week, but I think YouTube destroyed us.

I don't think it ever aired. So, Matt, I'll start with you since we started with you last time. Can we still consider Tyne Woodley one of the greatest welterways of all time? Well, I guess I will give the same answer I tried to give last time. Okay, here we go. it depends on what happens in what two and a half weeks time with the colby covington fight to still be considered in that conversation and when i say conversation i mean that top three that top two or three so he's still top five all time easily in my opinion because of that run that he was on but if he goes out there and redeems himself with a nice dominant win over colby covington and then whatever he does from that going forward if he gets another win after that then yeah you got to keep him in that conversation but if he goes out there and loses it's especially if he loses all five rounds to Colby Covington, then yeah,

you kind of got to diminish his legacy a little bit for losing his last three fights dominantly. Just can't go out there and get waxed like that, especially when the start of that is losing your title. Yeah, I think the fact that this Twitter user is saying, it's added, he's lost 10 rounds in a row. It's not like he had back-to-back flight of the nights. It's not like he got, had back-to-back split decisions.

And he's lost 50 minutes of fighting in a row inside the octagon, which, yeah, maybe he won a round or two, but I didn't score any of those rounds for him. I think he got swept by Uzman. He got swept by Burns. Looks like he was in a deer in the headlights against Gilbert Burns. And those were more than a year apart. So it's not like he had anything in between. So the last two fights seen of Tyne Woodley, he's lost every round. Casey, can we still consider Tyne Woodley one of the greatest welterweights of all time?

Yeah, absolutely. it's like um absolutely yeah he's lost 10 rounds in a row but i mean has he been like as he as he walked as he but at those 10 rounds he still walked out of the cage correct fine it wasn't like it wasn't like he was just getting 10 to 8 of these rounds or at least like just pure like just punishment he just looked like he was i mean ty and willies mean he's what he's 37 38 now i mean something like that yeah so he's that's just mean Unfortunately, just father time got him, I think. He just passes, I think, his prime.

I think he's still a top 10 waltrow weight. But as far as best waltrow weights of all time, yeah, you have to, you got to look at when his prime was. And his championship run, even counting his strike force fights, were incredible, you know. I think minus that Markwart knockout, you know, that was, is Mark Ward the only guy to finish? Oh, I'm sorry. Markhart? I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Loller, Loller. No, yeah.

Yeah. Oh, no, no, he beat Loller. Yeah. He knocked out Lully. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking, but who was knocked out, Willie? Like, actually, like, just, like, just.

I think the only one I can think of is really Markhart. Yeah. So, so all his losses are, I've been kind of, like, ugh, kind of fights, you know, outside of the Mark Whart one. But, no, I just think that's, I think it's kind of silly to say that Willie isn't one of the, um, all the, time greats at Walserway. I just think he's not at his prime anymore, but you know, you can't be there forever. That's all. Yeah, he's only lost by

stoppage once and his other stoppages. His other losses are to Jake Shields by split, Roy McDonnell's, which he got absolutely dominated in Vancouver and then Usman Burns. So again, he's not losing to bums. He's losing to the best of the best and knocking out, like he's submitted

Till, he's Kea Loller. He fought Kelvin Gassel into a split decision. I actually don't think that was a split. I think Tyron really should deserve the unanimous decision in that, but I see the argument there. Gasolm also came in like eight pounds heavy or something like that. That was the Super Bowl weekend or was it? Was that the D.S. Silver card? I can't remember.

But right now, in my opinion, the argument for Woodley is, is he the second best? It's between him and Matt Hughes right now. I think we all agree that GSP's the greatest welterweight of all time. I think Ty Woodley was on his way to reaching that if he didn't lose to Usman so badly. But it's between Woodley and Matt Hughes. I don't have it. And whoever's not second is third, and then Uzman is right there. Because, again, Uzman is sneakily piling up a pretty impressive UFC resume.

And then as we've had a million questions this past seven days, apparently Neil Magni has to be considered top 10 welterweight of all time because he's like two, three wins away from being the all-time winningest welterweight in UFC history. But let's have that conversation when it happens. Yeah. That feels kind of weird saying that no magnet is like, I mean, he's got statistically, yes. he has lots of wins.

Let's just keep a positive. Yeah. Yeah. And then Matt, have you seen Dana White's guns lately? I have. I have seen them. Tell me more in detail. Yeah, they're very swollen, almost unnatural like.

I think he's on that Matt Sarah diet right now. Right. A lot of horse meat in his diet, huh? That Matt Sarah Joe Rogan diet, if you know what I mean. For sure, for sure, for sure. I mean, look, Dan has always been a little bit big. He was on the cover of what was that, men's, whatever. Men's health.

Yeah. You know, he stays in the gym. He's got gyms around him. He's got gyms around him. Anyway. He was on the cover of men's health wearing a shirt. Come on, man. If you're going to be on men's health, at least show off the pythons.

You remember that photo of him, like this big photo shoot of them on a beach with with Ryan Bader and like Verduiter. They're all wear like leather. jackets. Yeah. It's the most bizarre photo I've seen. I think it was. Remember the one where Dana was on the beach and he wouldn't jump off the cliff when all

the kids were jumping off and they were making fun of him? Remember that one? I should do. That one was fun too. He looked kind of swollen there too. He always looks a little swollen. He's no Lorenzo for Tita who oddly got into powerlifting later stages of his life. But yeah.

When you're a billionaire. Yeah. You just keep curling those stacks of $1,000 bills. You know, it's like, oh, man. $1,000 bills, man. He's curling gold bricks, Scrooge McDuck style. Yeah, he just dives in and he's swimming through gold coins. Yeah, you know.

Yeah, dude. You know how much that, you know how good cardio workout that is? Oh, it's incredible. It's incredible. It's incredible. I'd be super strong to actually move gold like you're swimming. Yeah, for real. Anyway, thank you for the question.

MMJ 2K20. MMG 2K20. A look into the future from hashtag number one heart surgeon. I really hope that is an office reference. Will International Fight Week, 2021, be a thing? If so, what does it look like? What are your predictions for big fights that could shape up between now and then? And what hypothetical fights do you want to see?

Also, more importantly, I added more importantly, does Casey agree with the decision to hand it out in this week's between the links? I thought Jose was robbed. Well, I 100% was robbed. It's all one big conspiracy. I have not seen one comment saying Judd Michoud deserved that win. So yes, I was robbed based. on statistics is 100% of my favor.

Anyway, Matt, if international fight week happened, it's 2021, July 2021, what do you expect? I expect the UFC to pull off something in some former fashion. I would like to think that by that time, we're back to normal. So I would expect a usual fight week. I don't know if like the, you know,

the fight week convention sort of thing, the fan expo is going to be the same or look the same. But I'd imagine they're going to throw something together in some capacity. I mean, they're literally trying to build a city in Las Vegas just for UFC right now. So they're going to figure out something to make it work. As far as big fights, I mean, I think we can expect the usual big names. I think we could see Connor McGregor fight go down around that time since he's not fighting

the rest of this year. Maybe if Connor comes back in like January, February, we could see him back in, again, July time, you know, for international fight week. So I don't think it's going to look that different. than what we're used to, hopefully. Casey, your thoughts. I have a few ideas, but I'd like to hear yours first. On International Fight Week next year in July 2021.

Correct. You know what? I'm just going to be positive and just assume there will be July 2021. Jesus. So, you know what? Honestly, like at this point, if we, if there if we're

in a state that we can actually have international fight week next year at this point where if fans and actually any sort of no amount of people more than just you know essential personnel that's a positive and yeah if we if we actually get any fights

I'll be happy so I'm just I'm not even my mind that's so far away right now that's no to me that's like asking you know like I don't know like what's going to be the first pay-per-view on Mars. You know, it's like, yeah, I'm sure there will be eventually. But, yeah, I'm sure Connor, Bragg, John Jones, D.C., Anderson, Chuck Laudeau, Tito.

Yeah, they'll all be on it. I just think, I just think, like, this country is in this pandemic right now. That's just, that's a lot of forward thinking. Now, I know normally I say I don't like to predict things one week from now, let alone almost a year from now. But for this scenario, I'll say 2021 international fight week happens. I think four days ago, I would have a lot, I would have a much different answer. But now that Brock Lesnar is quote unquote free agent. I would imagine he'd be on it. I would imagine he would probably fight someone like John Jones or Steepa or Francis or whoever, depending on what the

heavyweight title picture, what happens to the heavyweight title picture. Because I like the scenario, which I'm sure we'll talk about later. But I want Brock to fight. John Jones and I want steeped by Francis, then the winners can fight each other on International Fight Week. Or they can do the original plan that they've been talking about up until very recently, which is John Jones, Israel, out of Sonia, 2021. Because remember, that's what Izzy said. He goes, let me clean out my division and then I'll fight you, international fight you, 2021. Because remember, John Jones kept saying, can 2021 get here faster? Like, he really wants to fight Izzy. So I would imagine Brock would be on there, but now that

John is a heavyweight, maybe they'll probably try and toss him. there. Mandan Nunes will probably be somewhere on there. I like Matt said, Connor, but I think it really depends on if fans are going to be in attendance because you don't want to lose a Connor McGregor gate, especially an international fight where people are trying to fly in. But I want to see

John Jones versus Israel-Azania so badly. I think that's my number one dream fight right now for a fight that probably won't happen anytime soon, but I'll give like a 5% chance of happening. But I want that fight so bad, so I'm going to wiggle it into existence. Rock Leather is going to be probably a week shy of 44 years old

by the time That's a young spry chicken at the heavy white division Can I ask a question about The Connor card thing Shoot partner Like if How would you guys feel if they just raised the price

Of that Connor pay-per-view If there were no fans Like doubled the price Depends on who he's fighting Fair enough But double the price for what? Like since there would be no Conner gate, no live gate for a Conner card, which is like one of the things, you know, that they're concerned about losing, just raise the price of the pay-per-view. How would you feel about that?

So double it? So it would be $140 for like... Not necessarily double it, but, you know, obviously increase it. Maybe $100 increase. So like, what was Connor Mayweather? Was that $100? That was $89, right? Yeah.

It was $89. Yeah. If they put it like that, fine. but I think it would have to depend on who he's fighting. I really do. Like, I'll pay $89 just to watch Connor fight Justin Gagee. I don't even need another fight on that card. Facts.

You guys are crazy. I don't get it. I don't get it, man. Like, I just don't, I don't. It's like, to me, like, okay, Conner's, I mean, from like a media standpoint and like, oh, people interest and stuff. Yeah, Connor, Connor, Connor, but like, man, it's just me as a fan. I was like, oh, it's just, he's just another guy to me.

I don't see paying more money. I mean, unless, unless, I don't know. And this is all just coming off to Soroni win? Is that what we're basing everything off? Probably. I can't imagine you fight any time in between this. I mean, hey, if you like your boy, you like your boy, I guess. The Beeb rematch.

You paying more? No, no, definitely not. I'd rather just go watch a bear fight, I don't know, a monkey. All right. Because that's going to be the same thing. How much you pay for that? Kind of monkey. Yeah.

The devil's in details. Yeah. If it's like a grizzly bear versus like a gorilla, oh, man, I'd pay a lot of money for that. Like an orangutan, though, I'm not going to want to watch an orangutan get beat up by a bear. I love orangutans too much. But Casey, I doubt you've heard it. But you should go watch between the links and then you can agree with everyone else. Did Jed keep the title?

Jed Did Jed keep the title? I'm still undefeated In my mind At Sugar Sean said I'm still I got an L on paper I'm still undefeated

And you know what In the eyes of the fans I'm still undefeated So I don't even want to hear this whole Did Jed keep his title Tom Foolery? Hey, when you're a champ When you're in all the time great

Jed's gonna be just a journeyman And no one's gonna remember that guy Yeah You know Jed's gonna be Still cosplaying a squid From Rocket Power at all the kids' birthdays, and I'm going to be up there

holding my BTL championship for years to come. Still undefeated and undisputed. Congratulations. I know. Thank you. Congratulations. From Stuart Tuckwell on Twitter,

who can Leon Edwards fight next? It feels like everyone at the top of the World War Division are doing everything they can to avoid having to fight him. Hashtag the A side. Well, you're not wrong. I thought Mazvedal Edwards

was probably going to happen or had a good shot of happening, just because Jorge Moswell after his lost, Kumar Usman said he wanted to get right back in there, get a win and fight for the title again because he thinks he can beat Usman. And I think Leon Edwards was the fight to make, especially because Covington and Woodley are already fighting.

But now, what, like 24 hours ago, Mazur Dal Diaz too might happen for the BMF title in January 2021. So sorry, Leon. Looks like you're going to have to fight Wonderboy Thompson, which is like the next man up, I guess. But Matt, what do you think? It's got to be Wonderful.

or if not Wonder Boy, it's got to be like a Kiesa, right? This is the only two fights that makes sense for him since he keeps getting screwed. And I think he just had surgery, so I don't even know how 100% he is. Dang, that's right. Well, next down the list is RDA, well, Damien Maya, but I don't know if he wants to see that. RDA is going to lightweight. Yeah.

So it's like he's just getting, he's just getting screwed. He's just left in the dust right now. Everybody else is getting fights. He keeps getting passed over. He was scheduled for a big fight. and then, you know, things happened. He was supposed to fight Woodley. And then he was supposed to fight Woodley.

And then Gilbert Burns beats Woodley. And now Gilbert Burns fight with the title. That could be Leon Edwards right now for all we know. They made the most badass promo for Leon Edwards. Yes. And he still has not had to fight. They really did. They really did.

You know, like, and honestly, I never had a really big interest in Leon Edwards. I think like, until I saw that promo, I mean, as a fan, I saw that promo. I was like, how dang. I got to see this man fight. And then the whole world collapsed and here we are. Talking Matthew Wells on Skype. Exactly, right? I think it has.

I think the Wonderboy fight, it's the only fight to make right now. And that's not even like, it's this next man up. Like if he wants to fight, that has to be the only, if he wants to fight and fight someone that's high ranked, it's be the only one left if I'm not mistaken. No, I mean, no. Leon Edwards versus Future Walterweight Hall of Famer, no Magni.

Yeah, all right. No, I still want Neil on Neil. Okay. You know, I think, I think actually the question we're not answering. I think this is actually the real question, though, for Leon Edwards in all seriousness. What does Leon Edwards need to do to get into that, I don't want to call it? He's already an elite watchweight, but the elite prize fighting watcherweight where, like, we know he's good, but can't, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm, I'm Masvadov. I'm Nate Diaz.

Can I make money fighting Leon Edwards? What does Leon Edwards need to do? He needs to live in the United States, which is unfortunate. Okay, Darren Till don't do that. He's one of those money guys, so? Fair, fair. I think he needs highlights of him stopping people, you know, because he doesn't have any of those. He has dominant wins.

He absolutely pieced up RDA, absolutely pieced up Sironi, pieced up Gunnar Nelson. But he didn't put them to bed. he didn't like just like just like what happened when darren till falls around he just put him to sleep and then he'd be wonder boy and then when i this is why the london the london card falling out was so unfortunate because darren till when he fought in liverpool had that scene where everyone was going berserk when he was fighting and and doing well and when he won and all that and then they could show that forever and then he fought for the title if leon edwards had that performance in london with the crowd going nuts i think that would have been amazing for his career but he didn't get that so especially after that whole promo you guys said. So needs a big marquee win in front of a crazy crowd. Not, I'm sorry, Matt. Beating RDA in Texas is not the same as beating Woodley in London. No, it's not.

It's not. And the funny thing is I asked Leon before that fight, like, how do you not become the Tony Ferguson of this division? And he didn't have a good answer. So I think your answer was probably the best thing. Like you got to get more highlights. You got to be a little bit more assertive. when it comes to like interviews and things like that and legit like demand your position.

Like he should be out there. Like he should be on social media. He is on social media. I actually calling people out a little bit, but it's just not sticking for whatever reason. It's unfortunate. Like do you remember that press conference with Gunnar Nelson? He,

him and Darren Till were basically screaming at each other the entire time. Like I remember texting like some of my like PTC and like, uh, Oscar and they're like, why is this not the fight? Like Darren Till, Leon Edwards in London, they seemed to much more interested at the time than obviously Mazvidal, who then destroyed Darren Till and became what he is.

Like it's just unfortunate that Leon's missing out on these opportunities that I think a lot of us agree he should be given that opportunity. Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna the argument here. You said that he needs like a big finish like a like Darren Till has or whatever like it's about his in-case performance. Darren Till hasn't had a serious like, like, knockout highlight since October of 2017. Right. I mean, we're talking like three years ago.

When is Leon Edwards last, though? But that's what I mean. Like, we're talking three years ago with Daryntil, and he's still riding this momentum from knocking out Donna Saroni. I think it's also... That's why I think it's so interesting. We still want to see Dary and Till, even though, you know, I mean, you just look at this record.

I mean, his last four or five fights is like, no. Will he finish... Willie dominated him. Willie, like, we're crapping on, well, fans are kind of crapping on Tyron Willie, but Willie dominated there until, like, no one else has, you know, and, like, he doesn't get credit for that for some reason. Mazelaw just slaughtered him. The Kelvin Gasson fight was kind of like, we just don't want to,

that was just a bad memory, you know, it just hadn't happened. And the Robert Wyrtica fight, while a good match, a good competitive fight, you know, he lost. And I don't remember any big highlights from it from there until, really. It was just, it was a good fight, you know, obviously. But I think the UFC machine just got behind Daryntil. And that's why we see him with rosy colors. Because they put a lot, they really wanted him to beat Tyron Woodley. They're not giving Leon Edwards the rub like they gave Daryntil.

Also, I think Leon Edwards has just been overshadowed by like, he beats Gunner Nelson and then Mazur all just crushes Daryntil. And then the three piece in the soda happens. And he's on the wrong side of that. And then he beats Donald Seroni at like two in the morning over here. and then he beats RDA on a random fight night in Texas that I don't know a lot of fight fans that watch that. So he's getting these big wins,

but people just, it's getting overshadowed. And when Darren Till's getting these big wins, it's like beating Kelvin Gasolam in Madison Square Garden coming off a fight of the year, fight of ever is people are, Kelvin still had a big name. Donald Seroni, beating Donald Soroni at two in the morning.

It's not the same. No. Yeah. It's unfortunate. Yeah. I think for the Edwards, I think you kind of hit the, I think you actually knowed it when he said, just the UFC PR machine. I mean, we talked about that promo, that awesome promo by Leon Edwards. Remember, that wasn't done by the UFC.

That was done by BT Sports, right? That was actually done for broadcasters in England. It wasn't for American audience. We just happened to see it. So, but I don't recall Dana White getting in front of a mic, you know, after a press conference and just going, this Leon Edwards kid, kid, oh my God, he is a monster. The guy's an animal. He's, you know, I mean, do it. Have I forgotten that?

Or is Dana just never just done that whole promoter talk, you know, like this guy, he's ruthless. Or it's like Joe Rogan just gone off and just, you know, man, he's an animal. And like, he's just, you know, I don't know. I just don't remember hearing people talk about Leon Edwards that way, at least the UFC people. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. I felt, I felt completely bad for Leon Edwards, too.

Like, I think the one, the one thing he has gone for him is, Camaro Ouzman's brought Leon Edwards up a lot in interviews because Kamara was like I was there. Remember when Kamar Usman was in this same scenario where he's just taking fights and take fights? I think Leon Edwards has to do the same thing. Like when we interviewed him at Dominance Media Day case, you remember like Kamar Uzman was like, I took that fight against RDA and then I

offered to fight on like a month notice to save that January pay-per-view and then it didn't work out. I cut weight to serve as a backup for Woodley Till in Dallas. And then he took that fight against Damien Maya in, what was it, Chile. So he was taking these fights that maybe aren't big names, but he's taking fights for the UFC. And then eventually, Colby Coving, like regardless of what you feel about Colby Cumberton, he should have fought Tyron Woodley before Camaro. He was the interim champion.

And they hated each other. Like, that fight should have happened. Kamar Uzman got the shot probably because he did the UFC a lot of favors. Unfortunately, Leon Edwards can't probably do as many favors because of the pandemic right now. It's not like he can take a short notice fight in the U.S. if he's stuck in London right now. But who knows? But Kamau-Uzman seems to think that that played a big factor.

And when we interviewed Corey Sandhagen, he took a huge notice because he's like, I'm cut in wait just in case Josialdo couldn't make weight. This is when the fight was going to happen in the United States. So I think that's going to, that'll play a big factor too. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunate all around. So there's nothing on the table for Edwards, right? There's like, I don't know if even like.

There's nothing, dude. He's got to start showing up to these fights. I think that's the next best thing. And in COVID times, just start showing up. Just start showing up. Just be there, you know, demand to be caged hide or something. That'll be interesting because nobody's doing that. Right.

Just come back. You know, I'm ready. Like, test me. Yeah. Send me in there, coach. There you go. Put that on your Instagram live. Be like, stand outside, demand to be tested.

I want to be caged hide for this. fight. I'm calling out whoever wins. Do something crazy. What else is unfortunate that's not helping them is Mazu, is not responding. So Leon Edwards is just yelling into the abyss and no one's, no one's biting on it. You know what I think it would, I think what would have changed the game for Leon Edwards is after the two piece and a soda thing, or three piece of a soda thing. If he went out there and knocked out, you know, knocked out RDA in like 10 seconds,

the world would be vastly different for Leon Edwards. because then you can make all sorts of hype machine pieces on that. But what happened was five rounds of just, you know, counterpunching. Yeah, it's very, very intelligent fighting, but it's not something that's going to resonate with like the casual.

You'd be like tune in for five rounds of Leon Edwards being really slick in the pocket. Like, I mean, he just needs to take fights. I think he just got to fight. Max Holloway said it. I like Max Holloway said it when he was on this big run. he's like, I'm just going to keep winning until they can't deny it.

Like, don't ask for the money fight, become the money fight. So he just keeps winning and winning and winning and winning. It's not like they could say no over and over again. I mean, I guess they could knowing the UFC. But who knows? As long as he kept getting louder and louder and louder after each one. I mean, eventually people are going to be like, give him his shot. Because you don't want to become the asunsao of the division where you win like 12 in a row.

And you never get to be interviewed by Joe Rogan. And then he's like, I don't like to talk. just win. I'm like, you need to say something, guy. You have a win over the then champion T.J. Dilloshal. That's all you should be talking about. Huge part of this game is personality. Huge part. So basically, just be a fool. Yeah. Active fool. Act of fool. Actful. Actful. And then you'll get paid more.

From Calum Barnes on Twitter. Should Jones wait for the winner of Miotius and Ganu Plus bulk up right for heavyweight or jumping straight away with a prize fight? For example, Lesnar. Yes. Lesnar Jones. stepe francis winners fight each other i think jones beats brock lesnar whether he balks up or not honestly i think john jones just is i think has one of if not the best fight iq in the history of mhm and brock lezner is just a freak of nature like don't even cut weight just have him go in there fight that's just like old school ufc style so i like that scenario because if brock lesnar for for if something crazy happens he beats john jones at heavyweight how are you not going to

give him a title fight. You beat the greatest fighter of all time and the Jones goes there, gets his big prize fight, wins. Like, sorry Curtis played. John Jones gets the next shot. But Matt, what do you think? I think that this question is asking the same thing, because a prize fight is John Jones and Miotich. Like, that's the super fight. You have the goat of light heavyweight against arguable, should be considered goat of heavyweight in Miotich. Why would you not want to put that together without any further like the Jones doesn't need to prove anything in heavyweight like what's a win a heavyweight going to do over whoever it is you're like oh john jones is john jones like we all know that just because he's doing it at a heavier weight i don't

think that does much to improve his stock so to speak like he's already got the biggest name possible put him against the other biggest name possible right away like don't jeopardize his fight anymore um you know initially when he said he was going to go to heavyweight i was like okay yeah let's see what John looks like at heavyweight first. Give him somebody else. But now that like after thinking about it and, you know, thinking about it more and more, it just doesn't make any sense to have John fight anybody other than steep

right out of the gate. Because depending on how that fight goes, if it's a decision, you can set up rematches. You know, if it's an interesting fight, you can set up rematches. If it's dominance,

then all right, John Jones wins dominantly over Stepe. Give him Francis Nganu. Like the fights just sell themselves. either way. I don't know. I will counter, and I honestly, unfortunately, I think of the three names,

Brock Francis Stepe, I think John Jones versus Stepe is going to drum up the least amount of interest outside of just the goat versus the goat. I think the big money fight is Jones-Lesner. I think John Jones beats Brock Lesnar 10 out of 10 times. I think Brock Lesnar loses to a lot of the

top heavyweight. So if you want the big money fight right away, make that fight right now. Also, I just don't want Francis get skipped over. I think he's done more than enough to earn that shot. And then if Francis beats Stipe and John Jones beats Lesnar, I think that's another big money fight. If you just like high level martial arts, the best fight is Stipe John Jones. That's easy. But we know Stipe is not the best dance partner when it comes to promoting. and John Jones has said he enjoys building this fight and selling

and selling and selling. So if he wants for his legacy, go fight Steepa. If he wants to make the most money, I think it's Brock Lesnar. What do you think, Casey? Oh, I agree. Yeah, Jones Lesnar, that's the fight. That's the money fight. That's the money. That's the fight. That's fight

that they'll make the most money. And then, you know, that, yeah. And then, like he said, too, like, I'm let's repeat what you said. but Francis has earned that rematch, and Stipei, Francis is the fight to make, and then some other pay-per-view down the line, Lesnar, Jones, whatever, you know. 95% chance that Jones wins that fight.

And then now, and then if Stipe does beat Francis in the rematch and Jones beats Lesnar, then that fight really is a truly great, great fight. So I think until Stipe beats this, beats Francis again. I think that's what he's missing is right now. Beads new Francis. Bees new Francis. Yeah. What we think is new Francis. We don't even know. You're not wrong. Because he's been so dominant. We just, you know what I mean?

Like, that's the fun mystery. It's like when we, when we interviewed him on the red carpet case, remember I was like, do you think you've shown enough to improve? Like people, like, do you think your performances are showing people that you've improved? He goes, what else? Like, what do you want me to do, man? Like, I'm winning in like 45 seconds. Yeah, you're almost saying. That answer sticks. I'm like, well, Yeah, you're not wrong. Like, but you know what I mean. Hey, Francis, can you get taken down and grind it out around and come back?

Yeah. He's like, he's like what, like I, you weren't even at when I was waiting to get the, my plane in Jacksonville. I was sitting next to Francis's coach and he was like showing some of the media people like what they were working on. The stuff they were working on, like if Francis landed some of that stuff in the fight, oh my God. It's like France throwing like spinning back heel kicks and stuff like that. But then he just goes out there with his chin out in the air and just. decapitates people as coach. I mean, I can't really get mad at him for that, but it is what it is.

Hey, man, that's what fighting is, man. Like, you can do all this technical, like, oh, you know, watch the center line, you know, do all this, you know, make sure you can't go out. But in the day, man, it's still a freaking fight, man. And you just got to throw a bomb sometimes, you know, like you can do all this coaching and, you know, technique and stuff. But like, when you knock you up my chin out like that, it don't matter. It's still knock you out.

It's a fight. So I love Francis. I just, I just want to. I want to see Steve A versus Francis so much. I don't even like, I'm just kind of upset that we've been bringing up Brock Lesnar, considering he hasn't had a win in the UFC in a freaking decade. He hasn't won in a decade in the UFC. It's like, we're, that's in a decade.

Like, we're so stuck of old storylines that we're still talking about Brock Lesnar. Unfortunately. So what's more disrespectful then putting John Jones against Lesnar or Francis against Lesner, considering that he hasn't won in a decade. I think it's disrespectful that we're even bringing up Lesnar, to be honest. You're not wrong. I'm just being honest. I will sign out.

I get the fans, they want to hear us talk about him and stuff, but like, I just, it's a decade old. He hasn't won in a decade. Yeah. It's unfortunate, but you're not wrong. I mean, if. Macy Barber wasn't even born yet. Pretty close.

I mean. I mean. If France, if they want to make John Jones-Sipe and then make Francis Brock, I'm like, I'm not going to argue with France as fighting Brock Lesnar either. I think that'd just be a, like, I don't think that fight lasts two minutes,

but maybe even a minute, but Francis Brock just looks insane, just them standing opposite of each other. Yeah, I'll agree with that. I'll agree. Sure. I actually do like the idea of Francis versus Brock more than Jones versus Brock.

I just, because I just... It's, I think it's going to go, it's like when Overeem made this debut against Brock and they had that poster it's one of my favorite posters where they're just they're not looking at each other they're standing parallel and it's like 6-4-265 6-6-5-260 and it's like and it has like all

their wins underneath it I love that I love that poster but I think it looked like that but then Overeem still next to Francis too and Francis dwarfed him so yeah I don't care just give Brock Lez or whoever but again I want Jones Izzy before any of that and I see the people saying that he wanted

in 2016. No, USADA won in 2016. Let's get it right, people. He did not win in 2016. He got a big NC. That's what he got. And then went and pieced of Randy Orr in a summer slam

the hard way. Did you watch that match, Matt? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. You didn't watch a Casey. They have this thing where you know how there's like blading. They don't allow blading anymore in wrestling. So like if you get hit, you can't cover your eye and like make yourself to make to make yourself bleed. They have this way called Hard Style,

where Brock cut Randy Orrin's forehead open with, like, shoot elbows. But, like, without doing any, like, physical damage, he just, like, nicked him. So it just looked absolutely brutal on television. Not a good time. Very uncomfortable to watch. I don't know how you agree to that in the back.

Like, hey, go ahead and elbow me for real right in the forehead until I start bleeding. Let Brock Lesnar just, like, slice your forehead open. Hopefully I stay conscious. Hopefully. Yeah. And I guess from what I've heard from stories is that a lot of the people backstage weren't told that that was the ending. So a bunch of people got really mad at Brock.

Like people were confronting him backstage. And he's like, hey, man. I'm sorry. I would love it. See, that's the pro. That's the wrestling. I want to see. I want to see these wrestlers going to Brock backstage.

He goes like, hey, man, what's going on? Well, apparently Chris, apparently Chris Jericho got like real heated and like ran up. on Brock. Like he didn't come and get, hey man, he was like, what are you doing? I was like screaming at Brock and stuff like that. But it looked crazy, especially because Brock had just come back from the UFC. So it was like, did Brock forget he's not really fighting? You know, like that sort of thing.

Like that's what it looks like on TV. He also like took his gloves off because gloves off too. So it was like he was holding him with like a bare hand and just like just crushing his forehead. Oh, it was very uncomfortable to watch. You love it. You love it. weirdos. Brinks.

All right. Oh, look, another Jones Lesnar question. From Sam Harris 999, long time commented. Do you think John Jones versus Brock Leicester is a good idea, considering Brock is 43,

probably on some kind of stone? Yeah, I want to see Brock Lesnar, John Jones, really bad. I just like the idea of a really high-level martial arts going up against a man with every physical gift in the world in Brock Lesnar. I just like that stylistic matchup. I think it's a fun fight.

And if Brock beats Jones, give him a title shot. You're not going to get any argument with me. And John Jones gets his big money fight that he's been seeking for a long time. I think that's the fight to make. We'll win or fight Steepi Francis. Anything to add, guys? No. No, unfortunately not.

I just like the term some kind of steroid. Or as someone people have pointed out, like, because Scott Coker was like, of course we're interested in Brock Lesnar. Like, Fadour, Brock and Bellator, like, cool. But you know who else chimed in in our Instagram comments? I posted, like, why I posted a little clip is like, who should Brock fight next? A one Frank Mirr joined in and says, I can think of someone. And then he had like the one finger emoji. I'm like, I mean, Brock Lesnar, Frank Mirr three at Bellator.

It's 2020, 2021 is a weird time, so I wouldn't put it past them. Do they both get the use of some kind of steroids? I think there'll be a stipulation where you just get just one kind of steroid. That's it, though. You can't get them all, just one. Or they should do some kind of, you know, you know, Belletra was very creative. They do some kind of lottery, some sort of game show type thing. They'll do the thing, the other thing where they have Brock and Frank or Brock whoever up there.

And Brock gets a pick out of a ball. which steroid to take. You know, just doing a, you know, what happened to rise in? You picked deer antler spray. What is, is Crowe Cop retired, right? He's done, right? He medically can't fight anymore. Yeah, actually, I think he is a medical issue.

For all those old, old, weird people that love freak fights, like Crowe Cop, Brock would still be a fun one, too, but it's never going to happen. If Brock still wants to do wrestling, wrestling, and he signs with AEW, you could just do that weird fight between Jake Hager versus Brock Lesnar to NCAA. Like, like, I don't think Jake won a national championship, but he was still highly decorated. Brock national champion, both professional wrestlers.

Jake Hager's like 6-6, too. He doesn't look, man. He's huge. In wrestling, he doesn't look big because everyone looks big. But then you also have to remember, 205 live is considered small, and that's what John Jones fights at. Like, Jake Hager is taller than John.

Jake Agar, I think, is taller than Francis, which is crazy to me. So if they want to do Jake Hager, Brock Lesnar, and tie it in with AEW, I wouldn't put it past him either. Is there a chance that Brock can go to AEW? I don't know enough about that. I don't know. I don't know their financial situations, but a lot of, to me, it would be cool, but it just, I think you would go, it would make a lot of money, but I don't, I think it would go against a lot of what AEW's original direction was in terms of like. It feels weird. It feels weird.

But then, like, I think of Brock Lesnar and Kenny Omega, I'm like, oh, my God, give me that fight. Give me that match every day of the week. Okay. Let's get some different. Dream scenario. Dream scenario. Brock versus Fedor, New Year's Eve and Rising. I mean.

Then, then two days later, Brock Lesnar makes his debut at Wrestling Kingdom. New Japan? Yeah. Oh, that we, and Brock used to wrestle New Japan back in the day, right? Yeah, but we don't talk about that because he won the belt and then kept it hostage. Oh, is that what I did. I didn't know very much about it. So he beat Nakamura, actually.

Or he'd be, I can't remember who he beat, but he wrestled Nakamura and this and that. And then he went back. And then there was some money thing. And then he wouldn't give the belt. He wouldn't give the physical belt back. So they were like, it was a whole, I don't know what the whole situation was. Like I think he signed an agreement not to wrestle anywhere after WWB let him go. And then he wrestled.

and then there was a whole dispute with WIB and New Japan and money. And the New Japan was like, give us the bell back. He's like, nah, I'm keeping it. So then they had to convince him to drop someone. He would only drop to Kurt Engel. So then Kurt Engel signed with New Japan and he dropped it to him. Something weird like that. I don't know the exact story.

Brock and the Red Trunks Brock in New Japan. I want to see Brock in Japan. You saw that are not allowed in the country. There you go. I mean, I want to watch Brock fight in a ring anyway. Regardless even if it's in like one or something like that. I mean, I think I think what's going to happen, we're going to see Brock fight and, uh, some camsoda fight circus with again. I wish against like three like three other, you know, 100, three other flyweight multi fighters and like a couple of like sheep or something.

I don't know. They'll throw something else in the ring. A couple of sheep. Fight circus. That should be the 2B1, 3B1 even. Or just have him do like a real life gauntlet match, you know. What are those weird, like one, it's like a three-round tournament? Like first fights boxing, second fights kickboxing, third fights,

M.M.A. I'd be into that. Anyway. From Anton Jensen, I have no idea what that profile pick is in the YouTube comments. What would Brock do against John? I'll strike him, no. I'll wrestle him, no. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think it's a money fight that John easily wins. So I don't want Brock to fight someone else. also lose, then all of a sudden we lose out on the big money fight between Brock and John. And again, if Brock doesn't even fight in the UFC, great. I'll be happy. I don't really care if he does or not.

But I think that's the fight to make for us, just because I think he loses to a lot of people in the top five, top ten. I mean, outstrike him, no, but out wrestle him? Like, are you really just not going to give Brock, like, wrestling credentials, like credit here? Like, of course. Of course he could get John Jones to the mat. Of course. How long can he keep him there is the question. John Jones gets taken down.

He got taken down by Gus who had no wrestling background. I agree, but that was a weird fight because John did no wrestling in that training camp. He did all boxing. The same as Ray is. I don't think he had his wrestling coach Izzy against Ray is because he didn't think he would probably need it. And then Ray is did great in the wrestling department. So if John just goes balls to the wall and trains wrestling, wrestling, wrestling, wrestling, wrestling, wrestling, I think it would be a bad day for Brock Lesnar.

Yeah. I will give credit, I will give Brock credit for at least one take down. One solid take down. He's going to get his hands together. And if he gets his hands together, John's going for a ride. But what happens right after that, I'm giving all the credit to John after that. I think Brock Lesnar fighting Jones, like just getting his knee kicked out from underneath them for however long that fight lasts. It's going to be a bad time, too.

from Kerry Ions, I apologize if I mispronance your last name from the YouTube comments. What Holloway fight rematch you talking about? Volk fought him two times, does he need to take a third with Max, plus the real Elkukui already bet Max, aka Tony Ferguson. People be tripping. What is this question? What is she asking? You know what?

I saw the first part, but then I didn't read the second part, so I'm not sure where she. So I think this is my fault, actually. Plus Max beat the Elk, the real Elk. Kukui already. Bet Max, aka Tony Ferguson, people. I think this is a comment.

Sorry, I thought that was a question. I'm confused. Yeah. Max should find Calvin Cater. I hope that answers the question. That's where we arrive at the end of that. Yes,

I agree. From Ali in the YouTube comments. Are you excited for the Dehaz Maz we'd all rematch, considering how one side of the first fight was? I'd have rather have a horrid fight by Edwards. That was the fun. and where does Edwards go from here?

Well, we talked about Edwards a lot at the beginning. I thought for sure Mazvedal Edwards was the fight to make, but apparently it's going to be Mazbel Diaz, too. I don't hate it just based on how the first fight ended. I don't see Diaz winning, but I think Casey and I, when we did our coffee talk after, with Danny Seguer, our former coworker and Esther, we just wanted the rematch based on how goofy the first fight ended.

Like, not that we thought it would go differently, but you know there's people out there that are going to be like, oh, D.S fights well in four and five and kind of take credit away from Mazbadole. So I wanted them to run that back immediately. But Matt, what do you think? I mean, sure, do the rematch. If you're not going to give Edwards a legit fight like he deserves in Edwards, like Edwards and Mazbadol, then, yeah, give me the rematch.

And like, no other fight makes sense. I mean, we know what the UFC is trying to do. They're trying to sell, they're trying to sell pay-per-views. They're trying to, quote, unquote, pack the house. and there's no house to be packed. So they're trying to get ratings, obviously. So listen, they have to do the whole BMF thing again. Let's see if Mazvedo brings the belt back with them.

Like all that kind of crap. Like we need that. Or they need that, rather. We, as me personally, what I would rather have is the more competitive fights, which would be Mazurl and Edwards. But, you know, we know what the UFC is going to do. Casey? Yeah, I don't really, I don't really bind to the storyline that the first fight was

completely like, uncomcompetitive. competitive or just like complete blowout because and people keep forgetting this is like Nate did come into that fight with an injury because he has just fought Pettus maybe less than two months before that or maybe two months and he still no I yeah it was somewhere around there and when and when uh Nate caught that hot one I think the kick that opened up that cut it was literally the same cut that Pettus had pettus had opened up in that fight before and it was the same stuff it was the same cut just for different ref that fight goes

for five, I mean, that fight, sorry, for different ref, Masvedo Diaz keeps going, you know, or say that cut, that cut didn't open up, you know? The thing is, like, yeah, I do think Maslada wins that fight no matter what, but we didn't get the chance to see it, you know, and that's what this is, you know, so I don't mind them running it back. I feel bad for Edwards, but these guys want to make money. They're prize fighters.

This is their window to get those bags of, So, yeah, if they want to run a bag, whatever. It's a fake belt anyway that you can buy on their website for, you know, $250. So whatever. If I'm not mistaken, too, did Diaz have, like, a knee injury or something? So he couldn't do as much cardio. Did you say that after?

I don't remember that one. Maybe. I think I remember seeing something like that. I think it was that fight. So he's like, I always start slow, but I wasn't a lot. He said he said his cardio wasn't where it normally is. he was saving what he had for the later rounds. And then he never got the opportunity to go from there.

I don't know. I don't know how true that is, but we'll find out. I wouldn't mind seeing the rematch. Yeah, I just remember being so disappointed when the ref stopped that fight because of the cut. It was like, I think it was the doctor. Doctor. Well, either way, the doctor tells the ref, you know. Yeah, yeah.

But, yeah, I was just, I don't mind the rematch. I mean, it's, you know, what? It is what it is. It's 2020. It's 2021. Yeah. If we can get fighters to fight that I actually know and they're not just these contender series guys that I may be seen like a five-minute promo about how their parents hated them. That's why they got to fighting.

I mean, that's a win for me. Hey, there you go. There's a bold prediction for International Fight Week 2021. A contender series vet will be in the main event or co-main event. How about that? You're saying a contender series veteran is going to main event International Fight Week? Or Co-Main.

So you're saying Greg Hardy's going to make an event, International Fight Week? Oh, he was a contender series. I forget. Yeah. So you're saying Edmund Shabazzian, Greg Hardy, and Sugar-Shon and Macy Barber are going to be the Hulk main card. Just saying, like, those are some solid names right there.

I really are. That promotion machine. They really are. Like, if that was a main, like, if those four were in the main card, and then there was like a big main event fight, it would be like, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. actually. People know those names. Yeah.

If my guy Jeff Neal didn't get hurt and almost die. Oh, yeah, he is a container series. He forgot about that. Yeah. Okay, I got this question coming up and it's going to be exciting. But there's still a contender series thing. We all know why they're doing it. You know, these fighters, they obviously get paid a lot less.

If all these COVID guys dropping out, they need people just to put in there right anytime. But like at what point, like tough. first few seasons are tough yeah lots of good fighters in there then gradually unless they put a new weight class like fly weights or women's division it got really watered down pretty quickly

how long can contender series last where we're just getting really watered down weekly fights you know I think I mean how much how much longer can you pull from this uh you know

talent pool I think if they take They're going to need a longer break between seasons in the U.S. just for the actual talent pool to build up. I also think before this pandemic really hit, they wanted to really break out into a contender series like China. They had contender series Brazil. I'm sure they could it.

Like contender series UK would have been amazing for that marketplace because they have so many fighters. Imagine Patty Pimlet fighting in Contender Series UK. Like that's a big story right there. But then you saw it happen to Brandon Locknay in the U.S. one. So that's another story completely. but I think the pandemic really hurt the fact that they can't go international, and they need to take a longer break between seasons.

Yeah, I think it used to be kind of special, but now it's just, all right, you know, much like tough. Tough used to be a special thing. Then after a while, like, okay, season 39, all right, cool. You know, just kind of forget, you know. Right. Facts. No, if they don't slow it down, we're going to be where boxing is,

where you only care about the main event and sometimes the co-main event. And it's just going to be a whole bunch of other names that nobody really knows. Yeah. Well, essentially, that's what we kind of complain about Bellator in a sense. Bellator's prelims are essentially guys, or a lot of regional guys,

maybe guys on one-fight contracts, you know. And you don't really have to pay that much attention to Bellator prelims because, you know, these guys are just, that's just fine. You're only going to see him tonight. You already want to see him next week, you know, or in a couple weeks.

But the main card matters, you know. But, yeah, I hope, that's why I feel like we're getting to, especially fight nights, you know, and like, you just like, all right, you know, These are, oh, man, doing picks for fight nights now. It's just like, you used to be like, oh, yeah, yeah, I remember that fight. And I was like, well, I like that guy's hair.

So I'm going to pick him. I don't like this guy's nickname. He's going to lose. This guy's names and this guy's name and last name and then OV and he's from Dagestan, decision wins. Mm-hmm. That's our deep, after a decade working industry. It's like, ah, his name's got a lot of. He's got a lot of consonants.

Consonance. I like the content. I like being at the contendent series live. It's a lot of fun. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I knew this was going to come from. Ghandra Thapa.

Apology, if I mispronounce your name. Ortega versus zombie thoughts. Well, this fight is never going to happen. You guys all know my thoughts on the matter. Matt, if you don't know, this is the fight that I've been asking for for probably five years. I believe, I think it was UFC 214 was the fight. You and I sat next to each other because we had gotten our stuff robbed. I think that was the card, if I'm not mistaken, that Ortega beat Moikano, if I remember correctly.

Yes. And I turned you and I was like, Ortega versus the Korean zombie needs to happen now. Because our zombie, I think, was coming back or had just beaten Dennis Bermudez or something along those lines. And you were like, oh, my God, the fight needs to happen. And that was how many years ago? And I've just been talking about it ever since. So, but I am a superstitious man. And this fight is never going to happen.

We're never going to see it. And it'll never get booked because anything I want to happen in MMA doesn't happen. Matt, your thoughts. I agree, man. It's one of those fights that just, it's been escaping us for so long. It's one of those fights that should have been scheduled a while ago. I mean, hopefully it happens. Hopefully there's nothing silly that comes up.

But, hey, it's 2020. You know, something probably will happen. And we're going to get robbed of some fun. I mean, it's just one of those stylistic matchup fights that you kind of dream of. And hopefully, hopefully it comes together. It has everything. It has everything I want. Like, Korean zombie is one of the most creative grapplers in the, in MMA.

Like, again, twister submissions, dars chokes. Like, his fight against Justin Poy remains my favorite fight of all time. But then you have Brian Ortega, who is just Gracie jujitsu through and through. So it's just both contrasting styles. Korean zombies are like one of the most, both men are just some of the most durable fighters you'll see. Like outside of injuries, like knee injuries, shoulder injuries, all that, like in the octagon, let's not forget, they stopped the fight between rounds between Brian Ottega and Max High. Like Brian Ortega would have gone out and kept fighting.

He wasn't going down. So he absorbed an insane amount of damage. The Korean zombie, his shoulder just fell off his body against Josie Albo. And then he was about one second away from beating. IA. Rodriguez. So I think this has everything to be just an absolutely epic fight. Silver lining, there's a lot more heat between them since their first few fallout, especially after Brian Ortega, like, slapped was a Jay Park in the face when they were sitting in the crowd. So there's clearly some heat. So it doesn't matter.

Pre-pandemic drama. Yeah. Pre-pandemic drama. Don't we wish we could have those problems now? Right. Right, right, right. Casey, your thoughts on this fight that'll never happen? All right, it's cool. I mean, as Ortega? I mean, I'm pretty good. Ortega hasn't fought since Holloway. Jeez, man.

That's tough, man, for Ortega to come out. What was it? Does that be a two-year break at least? It feels like it. Depending on when this fight. Yeah, just about. Yeah. Yeah, any fight between two top five, top ten featherweights is going to be awesome.

And especially these two gentlemen. Yeah, if it happens, it's super cool. Hopefully no one gets to Rona. That's about it. Jesus. Because let's not forget when the Korean zombie took his two-year break to do his mandatory military service, he came out after two years and knocked Dennis Vermita's dead on that Houston card. So two years is two years, but Korean zombie did it.

Brian Ottega could do it. Not saying it'll happen because this fight isn't going to happen, but I want this fight so badly. And I do think, I don't want to say Ortega, well, I think the winner, will get a title shot regardless, just because to beat Yair is like later on that fight. And if Korean zombie wins, I think he fights Volcano

and if Ortega wins, again, that's not like he's rematching Holloway. So it's Tegovinawikovsky would be fun too. I don't have a problem with either of those two getting a title shot. Though, I feel bad for Yair because he has a win and a spectacular win over zombie. But you can't stay healthy either.

True, very true. Do you think that like Ortega is maybe falling a little bit in love of the sands too much? because he has a really nice slick boxing game. He's got good hands. He has a real good hands. Yeah, but it's like, don't you think he should use it more just to set up clenches? Like, instead of just standing in there trading.

I think he tried against Holloway, and Holloway is just that good. And people forget. That's fair. Otega won't make excuses, but Ortega broke his hand badly in that fight, which we talk about the clinch. Yeah, because this is clinch. And like, and for, I'm taking this for what Cub Swanson said, he said, Brian Ortega has the strongest grip he has ever faced. And if he had broken, if Ortega broke his hand in that fight, like he said he did pretty

badly, basically losing his entire grip on his left hand. So he had a hard time throwing punches, hard time clinching and controlling. And that changes the fight. That changes the fight. I'm not saying Ortega wins that fight, obviously, but it makes it more competitive. So, I think there's a reason, Matt, why you think that maybe Ortega is in love of his hands because I just don't think, I think the last time we saw him, he just wasn't able to do what he wanted to do.

So I like, don't get me wrong. Like I like, I like his striking game. Like I, that's one of the things like I consider like underrated. But we know he's so good on the mat and in the clench. Like that should be like his go to. I just don't want to seem shift more towards a striking game when he's so dominant in this one area, you know. I don't think it's like mid 2000s, Damien Maia, where he fell in love with his moit Thai after training with Vanderlai for a while.

But, um, yeah, Ortega's boxing is real, really, really. crisp and he did knock out Frankie Edgar. I think he was the first one to knock out Frank Yeager, if I'm not mistaken. And then he tapped Cubs Cubb with what, that standing guillotine. And then let's not forget, he fought Max Holloway, who's one of the greatest strikers in the history of the UFC. Like not just featherweight division. So, but Or Tegia didn't go down. He stayed up there until they stopped the fight in between rounds for him. Saved him from himself. Poirier versus Ferguson, who wins? And do we see Connor in 2020? and if so against two.

To answer the second question, I don't think we see Connor in 2020 at all. I think we can all agree with that. But Casey, Poyer Ferguson, who do you think wins that fight if it happens? Oh, clearly, the fans. I mean, that's just... The hospital bill.

Yeah, the hospital bill. Yeah. Well, insurance priority providers are going to lose because both of those gentlemen are going to the ER after that fight. You're not wrong. I mean, I think Dustin is the second best lightweight right now.

And I mean, I love Tony Ferguson. Obviously, he's an exciting fighter and all that stuff. I just, I just don't, I think, I don't know. I'm not, like, I'm not Sean Al Shadi, you know, where, like, just like Tony Ferguson is like on this pedestal. And I obviously, I really enjoy Tony and, you know, his skill set and stuff. But I think Dustin's just a better overall fighter and just doesn't get, well, I don't say, they both get hit.

But, no, it's just a hell of a fight. And if they fight 10 times, I would pick no Dustin 7 out of those 10 times. But you said Poir is the second best lightweight. So I'm assuming after Habib. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know what? Maybe, yeah. I'll say 2020 Justin Gagchi might be the best lightweight.

Yeah, you know, I'm sorry. Yeah. It's, man, I don't know. Because I'm not taking anything away because Dustin Porey knocked out of Justin Gagee. But Gene Gage himself said he got way too comfortable in that fight until he got knocked out. Which he did. But she did. Yeah.

Which is coach, which Trevor Whitman yelled at him about during the Tony Ferguson fight. He had to remind him. And we know that. Remember what happened when you fought Porre? Yeah. He's like, remember what happened when you fought Porreier? And he's like, I got knocked out. He goes, yeah, let's not go back to that.

But Matt, who do you think wins between Porre Ferguson if it happens? This would be the hardest fight to call since, for me, like going into it since Eddie against Dustin. Because, like, I had that fight so even. And then it ended up just being a crazy, you know, mess. of a back and forth fight, but I couldn't call it. I would say that like the betting line should be even. Like there's nobody should be a favorite. Nobody should be underdog.

It should literally just say even when you go to the betting window. I would probably lean slightly towards Dustin though. But yeah, just by the tiniest of margins. Because we. Tony is Tony is Tony, man. He's going to go out there and be crazy. He's going to be super creative. He's going to dance in the middle of the octagon as he's getting punched in the face.

Like nothing happened. and Dustin's just going to keep moving forward. It's one of those fights. If it happens, like Casey said, man, the fans win. I think we also have to, I think a lot of people are going to base their pick on Tony Ferguson's last performance. But unfortunately, if you look at that, like Tony Ferguson was supposed to fight Habib in April and then a cop pushed back and then a fight got changed up.

And I love Justin Gageen and I love Habib's fighters. They're very different style fighters. Justin Gaiti is just violence all the time, and Habib is much more, obviously, you're not, your, your face isn't going to just be destroyed after fighting Habib. So Tony Ferguson himself said he's basically, like, they took that fight in November and the fight was supposed to happen in April. So he basically had what's, what's that like, five-month camp to prepare for Habib and then got a last-minute change to Justin Gachie in a completely different style fighter. So I don't know if he beats Justin Gage, if there's a full camp, but I'm going to play devil's advocate and say Tony Ferguson kind of got shafted a little bit. bit by taking that fight against such a drastically different opponent. So I don't know.

I agree with you though. It's 50-50 to me. The betting line should be even. Is this one of those people are talking about fights or has it been booked? I've been going to go a couple of days. Poirier has said, Poirier said that he expected to fight Tony Ferguson next and he hasn't been offered a contract to fight him next, but he's technically in camp right now to be ready.

So all signs point to it. It's just not official. though Michael Chandler did tweet a gift of a diamond not too long ago I was what I mentioned I want to know where Michael Chandler is and all this because I'm Dude I'll watch I want Michael Chandler Fight Anthony Pettis but I'm not going to say no to a

Defaultiportary a fight Gilbert Burns Gilbert Burns tweeted out a video of Michael Yeah you saw that today Yeah I saw that yeah You saw him yeah I'm into it So yes Any new question

Uh from Joseph Bozo Where does Frank Yeager go now at Bantamway crazy to think he's won one to two fights away from a title shot. I mean, there's a lot of fights at Bantamway that have to happen before we can talk about one to two fights away. But Dominant Cruz, I think, is the only fight I want to hear from anyone. And Frank Gager seems to agree. Matt, are you in agreement? That in my agreement with what now?

Frank Hager should fight Dominic Cruz. I mean, sure. Why not? I'm just glad he didn't get the title shot. I'm just glad he didn't jump over Aldo, or Aljo, rather. I'm cool with it. Like you said, there's a ton of fights to make. Cruz would be a fun one.

That would be one that, you know, legendary career type matchup, right? Both guys that are like really big names that we don't necessarily need to see in a title fight right now. So, yeah, give me that one. Give me that one. Both those gentlemen can be in title fights. No, don't.

What are we doing a three-way with Aljo? What's happening right now? Don't do their thing. No, let Aljo and Jan do their little thing. but I think Frankie and Cruz is absolutely the fight to make, and I think the winner that will get a title shot, and I think justifiably so. Probably so.

Well, we also have Marlon Moraes versus Corey Sanhagen. That's all booked up. And Marlon Moraes is still the number one ranked bantamweight. He was already supposed to fight Peter Jan. Technically, Peter Jan versus Algeman's not even officially yet, though Dana-Wei has now finally said Alzo is probably next. So if Aljo and Jan fight, Marlon Marais, Corey Sanhagen fight, and then Garbrant's gone and then Cruz Edgar fight,

Bandomweight still rules. And I think the winners are the fans. And I would not care who gets the title fight after all those. I actually think Martin Marius is the best Bantam weight in the world. But unfortunately, the way the rankings and fights work out, you know, so we'll see. Yeah, before the Frank Yeager fight and before all these fights were matched up, I wanted Cruz Marlin real bad. and so did Marlon

and Dana White seemed interested in it just didn't happen I love Marlon and Corey Sanhagen like if Corey Sanging beats Marlin why would not give him

a title fight because unfortunately this is price by Alger yeah well important and this is price fighting

this isn't you're not wrong this isn't about you know who who deserves unfortunately you're not wrong

yeah uh yeah I think it is um just um Tim Aqua

Matthew Wells I love the number seven you are bringing some light too. Yes. Appreciate it. Shut up. Where's the number seven? Over my left shoulder here.

Oh, yeah, yeah, I see it now. There you go. Respect. You painted that one, right? Yeah, I did. Is it for sale? It can be. Yeah, I was about to say.

Someone want it, go buy it from that. It can be. Slide me a DM. Let's talk. Who's behind the plant? I see the Anderson. Either way. That would be DeMarco.

Murray. DeMarco Murray is stiff-arming some gray-scaled New York giant player. And then the DES right there is kind of covered up by the plant. So, yeah. DeMarco Murray is a name that I have not thought about since he was out my fantasy team. That one. Dude, he had like a 99 year in Madden and then it was just like fell off. Yeah, because he went to go play for Chip Kelly and it didn't work out for him.

Yeah, crazy. You know these names, Casey. We don't have to explain them to you. Yeah, yeah. Sprott's ball. Sprocks. All right. Let me see what we got else.

And you know, oh, this is kind of a broad question, but we haven't even talked about it. Joseph Bose, a thoughts on this week's Overing versus Sakai card. Well, it is the main event of a card that exists,

as we talked about, between the links. It's about the only car fight that I'm super interested in right now. There's obviously fun fighters or names that I recognize, but this fight actually has title implications

on the line for whatever that means in the heavyweight division. Not surprised Overim took it. He's down to scrap with anyone. But Matt, what do you think of Overeign versus? Speaking of Contenders series. Yes. Augusto Sakai, I think was what contenders Brazil, if I'm not mistaken? One of those, one of those.

But yes. Belator veteran. Belator veteran. Yeah, I was going to say. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah, this is kind of like what I was saying earlier, right?

Contender series main events. Yeah. I think this is also kind of like one of those it's too much too soon type of thing for him. No. I mean, you're fighting Alex over him.

This is going to be his 65th professional MMA fight. And you're only on fight, what, 17? 17? 18, I think. 18.

I mean, this is an 18th fight. It's a lot to chew off, man. That's a lot to chew off. And especially considering, like, he's got a couple nice finishes, but he also has a couple of fights

that he could have lost too in the UFC. So I think it's a little bit too much, but it's going to be one that makes Overeem looks really good, in my opinion. This is a fight that Overeem's going to headline pretty much any fight night he's on, and he just needs a dance partner right now. It's a young guy in the UFC heavyway in Sakai. I think it is what it is. I don't hate the matchup. It makes sense if you look at the division, just how it's all laid out.

I don't know if it's too much too soon, but he's coming off a special. split win over Blagoi Ivanov and he has a split win over Arlowski and those are two former champions of their like Ivanov obviously former champ of World Series of fighting Arlowski former champion of the UFC. So he has two wins over two former champs. Let's see if you can make it three, but I do think overreem wins not easily but I think he wins. Casey? I can easily see Sakai winning this. I think it's kind of ridiculous that Sakai had to get into the UFC to. through the contender series when he clearly was already

um um you know ufc level but um yeah you know what actually as much as i like this fight this isn't a main event for a fight night it's this doesn't i don't think we need five rounds of this fight i think i think i think we're going to see enough in 15 minutes i'm just you know but yeah it's a good matchup it makes sense ranking wise um but uh yeah but this card i'm just looking at this card while there are a fighters I want to see like I'm that's what I said I'm excited to see Michelle Pereer but

the matchups as far as like just street matchups nothing really kind of blows me away but Crystal Cruz fighting Mr. Brian Keller her yeah but he's not fighting Ricky Simone anymore with that fight freaking ruled and as I think Sejarre Euban's supposed to fight

Macy Chazen on that car before it Macy fell out so there were a lot of this fight card was great not great but it was serviceable and And so a lot of these fights fell out. What's up? Yeah, I told him. Like, I love, I love Julia Villa.

She was supposed to fight. She was supposed to fight. She was supposed to fight, Nico Montanio. Rematch. If I got, yeah, rematch. If I got moves, unfortunately, because of the Rona. But, yeah, this is a... It's an injury slash COVID-riddled card.

Which is every card pretty much. Like, you know, I know we make all these graphics, about these future matchups coming in our book. all these great main events and stuff, man. But like I look at that and I just look at the past and how many matchups we've lost. I'm like, I look at all these future title fights. I'm like, oh, God, I don't know how we keep. I don't know.

It'll be quite the miracle if we get all these title fights that we see that are coming up the next couple months that they actually happen. And we have the light heavy return of OSP. I thought it looked great at heavyweight. Probably should have stayed there, but I'm not as coach. Yeah, it's going to go. against Alonzo Minifield, that's going to be a very tough matchup for him, because Alonzo Minifield comes to take your head off.

They both those guys, they both weighed in, right, at the last event. And it was like after, right? They weighed in and then it was like, yeah. Yeah, they waited. It was like on the actual day of the fight. They pulled OSB off the card because of the Rona. So that would be actually interesting. I wonder how OSP is going to do that,

how he's going to handle that weight cut again or even Minifield. so um yeah manfield's not a small cat yeah yeah so hey but michelle perera's fine michelle perrera should be just he should be on the car like just put him on every car it doesn't matter if he makes weight just put him on the card come on ufc get with it all right okay uh oh you know what i want i want you to talk about i want to talk about this one garrett trammel should the scrap should they scrap silver versus hall for silver versus loller laura ravi have fun fights at the end of his career You've already all heard my thoughts on this fight, possible fight. Between the Links, Casey's nodding his head, so I'll let him start.

What do you think about Silver versus Lawler instead of Silver versus Hall? I didn't watch Between the Links this week, but I'm going to assume that Jed just started taking his shirt off and sweating when you started talking about Andrew Silver versus Robbie Lawler. I couldn't tell you because it was an audio-only one. Well, I'm sure you hear the sweat glistening off him to thinking about it. To me, Anderson Silva versus Robbie Lauder, that's absolutely the fight to make. That's just, I mean, Anderson Silva, Robbie Lauder, they're both legends.

I assume Robbie Lauder is going to be a future Hall of Famer just based on his longevity and just how. I think he's going to be one of those cats that's going to be in for a fight and an individual. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so to me, they're both on the Legends tour right now, I feel, and Silver Lawler, because right now Hall is still, he's still a, We got, he's still, he's still a fighter that could make a title run. Yeah, he's still there. He's in the mix. Yeah, there you go.

That's the word of looking for. But Anderson Lawler, just come on. Let's get these guys going. We don't need, Anderson Lawler is a great fight because we don't need any build up for it. We can just put, we just throw old highlights. We don't, we don't need, you know, just we don't need, you know, you don't need to sell that fight. We just know who they are and we just want to see it. He goes like, oh, cool.

It's like, it's a video game fight. We get the watch now. So, yeah, because if Anderson beats you, you are. Hall, then what? I don't know. And if you're at Hall beats Anderson, you know, yeah, okay, cool. I don't know, Hall Silver, I mean,

so Anderson Silva versus Robbie Lauder is just, that's just beautiful. I just want to see the match up, look at each other. I don't know, man. I really like the Silver versus Uriah Hall fight as a fight. I know it's like irrelevance of the division and everything and Silver Lawler sells more.

I like Silver versus Uriah Hall. I also, everyone keeps talking about how Robbie should do this. This is what he needs. This is what he deserves. Robbie Lawler hasn't said anything. So for all we know, he doesn't even want to fight Anderson Silva.

I know he'd fight anyone. But I don't know what Robbie is going through Robbie mind. If he wants to just keep making a run out of the title, it's not going to be against Anderson Silva. So, but Matt, your thoughts. I'm with you in that I like the Uriah Hall versus Anderson-Silver matchup. Because in a way, it's like the Izzy versus

Silva matchup in a way. Hopefully it'll be a little bit more competitive, not so much. Like, hey, we get a lot of cool photos from this fight. But the best photos. Yeah, no kidding. No kidding. Shout to Esther. It's just, I'm cool with either way, honestly.

Either way. Like you said, like neither fight really does much for whoever wins. I mean, at this point, like, I don't know what a Uriah Hall win will do for him. I mean, yeah, it's nice to have a huge name on the resume. a nice paycheck. Yeah, it gets a nice paycheck. It gets a nice name on the resume, but what does it do in terms of rankings for him? I don't know if it does much.

But, I mean, what is, what does Robbie look like at 185? I don't know. We saw it as Strike Force. Yeah. It's been a while. But he has a monster amazing advice. You're crazy. I also like if they turn, if they announce, if we wrap this show and they announce that

you're Iowa Hall versus Anna Silva's off and of Andrew D'Sillva and Robbie Law, I'd be like awesome, great, cool, I love it. But if it doesn't happen, I'm fine with it. Like, we're talking about Anderson and Robbie Lawler deserving all of these big title fights. But like, Uriah Hall lost out on the first Anderson Silva fight for gallbladder surgery, loses out on the Jokkeret fight because Jokkeret test positive for COVID, loses out on the YOL Romero fight because Y'all Romero gets hurt. So at some point, Uriahaw deserves a break.

So for all this talk of Anderson's, and Robbie Lawler's derving stuff, throw your eye, throw your eye haul a bone and give him a fun fight against his hero. That's a fantastic point, man, because I mean,

your eye hall's been literally sleeping in the Fortis gym. You really has, man. And I mean, we've been keeping a lot of these fights together with duct tape and a prayer. So whatever gets him to the Arcticon

and gets him paid, like that's what he deserves. Like, I was in Jacksonville for when that fight, that fight fell through and his coach was talking and he's like, your eye is going to destroy jacqueray he was so confident that we were going to see a brand new uriah hall who's like you said is living at four to seven may like he's living in the back room like going through all of this uh he's going through so much to just become a better fighter and he's having the rug pulled out from underneath them i'm fine with him getting a shot against anderson silver thanks hour 20 gentlemen already we call it we calling it all right well i know you i think you

get the, I didn't get a chance to hear, I liked that Twitter briefly, but what happened in the DC aerial interview? I guess DC finding had this kind of big interview. So DC said he's done fighting. He's absolutely done fighting. He doesn't want, he only wants to fight for titles. And he understands it's probably not going to happen. Dana White said that Daniel Cormier requested his name be removed from the USADA pool, which would officially remove him from competition. And Daniel Cormier admitted that Steepa deserved the win. And after rewatching it, he understands, he goes, Stepe won.

End of story. I'm retired. It is what it is. So Daniel Cormeet was very gracious with his loss. He also said, which caused more feathers to be ruffled, was after his loss of John Jones, Lorenzo Fertita and Dana White cut him a check for a million dollars, which I hope John Jones got a million dollar check too then because he won, even though you saw it happened.

But Chris Seibor commented on it. I know I'm sure a lot of other fighters saw him. He goes, where's my check guy? Where's my check guy? But anyway, that's kind of the summary, if I'm not mistaken, right, Matt? Yeah, that's pretty much what I call it. Yeah. Did he talk about the I poke and the significance and like, like, he said that his daughter didn't believe him?

Like, he said that he wasn't going to need, he doesn't believe he'll need surgery. Well, how about the, well, no. I haven't finished. Oh, you don't know, but I don't know. No, no, but I just wondering if we know. I guess I got to watch it. I just, I thought I was more curious about. I was more curious, like, how much it affected him during the fight and the fact that

why didn't Goddard believe him? Because refs, refs literally never see eye pox. They only based on the reaction. So essentially, Goddard just goes, no, you're lying. Or not you're lying. You're mistaken, I would say that. Because a lot of guys get punched in the eye and they think it's eye pox. I want to say lying.

That's not the right word. You're mistaken. DC, they also as DC, why didn't you leave your gloves in the, the Octagon because he knew it would be his last and he goes Steepay won. That's his moment. I wasn't taking away from Stepe. I think that would have been different if that was like an arena with the crowd and everything. I agree. I think he would have done that because I mean he hung around for the John Jones losses. You know, everybody has seen the crying memes. Like he would he hung around for that. So why would he not hang around? I think it was just because it was like in a quiet

environment. He's like, all right, let's get out of here. Yeah, he pieced out real quick right over to the interview thing and then he went right to the hospital. I bet that I bet not being able to see out of his eye freaked him out and he wanted to get to that hospital real quick. That too, that too. But also like even if Goddard did see the eye poke, like it wouldn't have changed anything. No. Wouldn't have changed anything.

Oh, absolutely it changes something. Man, we're talking about if Goddor sees the eye's poke. First of all, D.C. gets a break. And the rep comes in and the rep's going to look at the eye go, oh, your eye is messed up. They bring in the doctor. And if that doctor looks at D.C.'s eye goes, oh, I can kind of see your brain. through your cornea right now. That's not good.

That fight might get stopped right then. You know, I'm not sure. Maybe. Dude, D.C. could not see. If the ref at any point looked at the eye, I'm not the ref, sorry, the doctor looked at the eye, that fight is over. You got, no, your eyes screwed up.

Maybe. Maybe. So that fight completely changes. But what if D.C. is like, no, I want to keep fighting. And it's D.C. that you're talking to. You're not going to take this opportunity away from D.C. Are you? You don't want to be that doc that takes away from D.C.

You mean to tell me the doctors that took away the BMF title fight would take away a fight for Daniel Corme? If the BMF title is not sacred, I don't know what is in this sport. Hey, it's the only true title that matters. I also, go ahead, Casey. No, I just, now they were talking about BMF again, I remember just how angry I got like how sanitized. Oh, no, dude. It is baddest motherfucker. That's what it stands for.

Stop this BMS bullshit. It's baddest motherfucker belt. I like going into it, forget the weight cut, forget injuries, just show up and scrap. Don't even wear gloves, man. Just fight inside of an octagon. That's what the real baddest motherfucker should do. But I digress. I wanted to ask, like, I never got the opportunity, but when he announced the BMF title,

I was like, did they have to make championship weight for this fight? Like, it's a belt. But no one asked that question. I never got the opportunity to ask. Anyway, we don't have any more question. right Casey we're kind of running up on time yeah we just got some random things you know we got we went long we didn't get to do it last time so I didn't have a problem going a little long this time um yeah yeah I think we're good all right well

thank you all but Matthew Wells you were wrong about the I poke it didn't make a big difference just want to point that out and it has a fact I think I appreciate your opinion though you guys can throw down on between a future between the links episode and have this exact conversation because Matt, I think you'll do great on it. Maybe you can go try and give Jed another loss like he did last week. But anyway, Matt, you know the drill. You didn't get to do it last time. You plugged your art. But what do you have to say anything happening right now in sports or otherwise? Well, yeah, you know, I guess it's like a little promo thing, right? You know, for those of those shows, Matt is going to cut his promo per use.

Sure, sure, sure. So I guess I'll go with what I was going to do last. week and it was very relevant last week because it's one of the scenes that hit social media. It starts off with basically just get your advice from professionals. And what I'm referring to is the Eddie Alvarez tweets that were really hot last week talking about, you know, his questioning of a mask mandate and everything like that. Um, listen, like when you go to train for a fight, you're going to go to professional coaches to train alongside other professional fighters. Um, When you're at the top of the game, you usually have the best of the best telling you what's best to prepare for this opponent. And in the world today, our opponent right now is COVID-19, right?

So who are the professionals we turn to, the scientists, the doctors, those that have spent their entire lives studying and preparing for the worst, which is what we're dealing with right now? So basically, those are the professional trainers that we should be listening to right now, right? they know what's going on. So to go out there and just randomly question, you know, should we be wearing masks? Should we be doing this thing that these guys that have spent their entire lives, like when you're stepping to any, any operating room anywhere, they're always wearing masks.

Why? Because it stops the spread of, you know, micro droplets of saliva and things like that in open wounds, which is very, very hazardous. So the funny thing is that Eddie initially, you know, he posted a handful of pictures with him and his, family wearing masks. And then all of a sudden he does this 180 where he goes real conspiratorial on it.

And it's just, just listen to the folks that know what they're talking about. Nobody likes wearing a mask everywhere they go. I don't like having to remember when I step out of the car or go back to the car, be like, oh, shit, I forgot my mask. Let me go back in and grab it. Just put it on. It just shows you care about what's going on. It shows that you care about the other people around you, whether or not you believe it's

100% effective, 50% effective, whatever. Just listen to the folks that have spent their entire lives studying these sorts of things, telling us what's best to do. And even if it's not effective, the best intention is that, hey, I'm showing I'm caring about the person next to me. So the end of the day, the message is get your advice from professionals, not random people on the internet. Well said Matt Wells. Well said. Casey, your thoughts on anything you want to talk about? wear a damn mask, register to vote, Black Lives Matter.

Oh, God, man. My pro is going to be so much worse. I have to plug. Hold on. Let me go get something. Let me go get something right quick. Hey, Matt, so now it's kind of like one of the situations where you're hanging out with a common friend

and that common friend leaves and then it's just like, hey, so what's going? No, I'm joking. So what's up, man? I'm back and I have to give a shout out too. I got the same package as you, Casey. from the Crystal Council. I got all,

I pretty much got the same things as you, except for whatever reason I didn't notice they were all labeled until I had thrown everything away. So I don't know what crystal is what. So if you're watching this, tell me what I got. I also got some stickers, some candles,

things. Didn't know this was coming. But all of a sudden, this massive box showed up on my front door. And I was pleasantly surprised from our friends over at the Crystal Council. Casey, if you have the list, you tell me,

yeah. See, yours looks so much cool. than mine. Your giant crystal? This is so, it's a dinosaur, it's a dinosaur. It's a,

mine is, mine doesn't have any white. Mine is just brown. It's just a foot. Mine is just a football. Yeah, this is legit like

35 pounds at least, yeah. Oh, it's massive, but I got a lot of other cool stuff. So shout out to the Crystal Council

for sending all that fun stuff and Jessica for keeping up the Crystal Keys to Victory on Twitter. There she is, Jessica Crystal crew. So, anyway,

for Jose, that's Matt. that's Casey. Anything else you guys want to say before we sign off or we're signing off? I think we're signing off. I want to say hi to Crystal Crew. I mean, Jessica Crystal Crew and Bean, her amazing detective dog. Shout out to Bean.

Shout out to Jessica. Shout out to all Crystal Crew. But for Matt, that's Casey. I'm Jose. We'll see you next week at the normal time. We're out. We're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.