MMA Fighting - The A-Side Live Chat | Francis Ngannou’s KO of Stipe Miocic, Leon Edwards vs. Nate Diaz, Jon Jones vs. UFC, more

Episode Date: March 31, 2021

Brave CF flyweight Jose Torres joins José Youngs and E. Casey Leydon to react to some of the biggest news in MMA. Some topics include Francis Ngannou’s violent KO of Stipe Miocic, Sean O’Malley��s destruction of Thomas Almeida, and more. The three will also look back at Torres’ win over Blaine O’Driscoll at Brave CF 49 and react to the addition of Leon Edwards vs. Nate Diaz to UFC 262 in Houston. Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Follow Shorty Torres: @joseshortytorres Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. We're live, pal. Hey, we're live, pal. Welcome everyone to another episode of the A-side Live chat. I am Jose Young's. I am back from Las Vegas. I was in Las Vegas last week for UFC 260 and all the knockout festivities.

Joining us this week, fresh off his win. He's a little beat up. He's in a food coma, apparently. Apparently being his body weight in Twizzlers. Dordy Torres. To say, my... Like, for all to flussela, but this is all the same time,

both myself and Calvin Gaston, so I'm just, that's so hard to breathe right. Well, did you hear any of that, Jose? I heard Kelvin Gastonum, and he sounded like a robot. Right, okay, so.

Is my Wi-Fi that bad? Right when we go, it was working fine. Like five seconds ago. Yeah. All right. That sounds like my luck. We'll try our best.

We can hear you now though. We just, you're frozen, but we can hear you, which is more important. No one needs to see me. They just need to see the fat face. They can get confused either.

That's me or Calvin Gaslam. You know, my laptop right now is stacked with a frosted flake cereal box because this table is for some reason, even for me, too low. And I'm breathing very,

very heavily because of the food. like my my pan button is just I'm it's struggling right now I'm having a hard time here out of fight camp shorty Torres and it's actually perfect because we can hear you crisply but you're frozen and you just have this big smile on your face and that's where it's frozen at right now so it's pretty perfect that really that's really just kind of idolizing what I am right now is just fat and happy and I was perfectly there you go positive thinking anyway Casey on the Ones and two is Casey. Are you getting your second vaccine right here? Yes, sir. As soon as we wrap up with this, shoot over down to the street, and they put a big needle, I guess my butt. I don't know where it goes. And then, yeah, and then occasionally, I'm supposed to get sick for a couple days. And then I'm good to go. And then everyone can rub up and sweat on me and get all, and I don't know, we can all spit on each other again. That's what we're doing before. No more time. Is that your birthday? Is that your birthday balloon behind you?

Oh, yeah, yeah. When I, when I checked into the hotel, I got, they came up this cool. You're number one? Number one, maybe. It's such a confidence booster. I know. So, I mean, so apparently this hotel is like just full of like Vegas spring breakers. So as long as I don't, as long as I don't get COVID in this room, I should be good to go before my.

Oh, yeah. I made it a whole year about getting it. And yeah. Yeah, when I was like, the spring breaker thing is a nice. I went to that Jake Paul basking press conference in Las Vegas last week. You'd have no idea there was a pandemic going on. You would have absolutely no idea. People are walking around in swimsuits, just like coughing and breathing on each other,

standing shoulder to shoulder. It's a whole nightmare. But anyway, we'll get to questions in a second. Shorty, how is your win? How was your fight? You got a little bit of a black guy you got going right there. I got, I have two of them. It just so happens that I still don't know how to move my head.

I'm just one of those guys, man, that I just, you know, it was a last minute opponent, Blaine O'Driscoll, and he was like, I got too prideful. He's like, you're going to shoot first. Watch, because you're the wrestler. I was like, bet, I won't shoot at all. And I decided just to take a bunch of shots. And then I was finally, you know, the drone kicked in. I'm a slow starter and started retaliating. And then he shot first. And then after that, I was like, ha ha, fair game. Now I get to shoot and I out wrestle him, no problem after that. But then after the fight, I broke his nose. And so he's getting stitches on his nose. And I'm being rolled in with the wheelchair.

back to check my foot because I tore ligament in my right leg and I took a crap ton of calf kicks so you know long story short you know maybe you should move away from calf kicks because they really really suck um like that's the pandemic in m m mary right now are calf kicks like you're just yeah I'm saying calf kicks are kind of taking over yeah and I try to do it too and I'm like I know I landed just as many he just landed harder but he there's like a little divider because he's on the other side and his nose stitched and I was like a little bit of the side and he's not stitched and I was I was like, hey, Blaine, yeah, I just want to say, you shot first. And he just starts laughing.

I was like, yeah, this is part of the game, man. He's going to have fun. It's all respect. And, you know, it was just a good time. It was a good battle. That's funny. So why's your next fight after that now? So I'm hoping in July, it just really depends on the pandemic.

Again, you know, I was supposed to originally fight April 1st. And then my opponent couldn't take the fight. He said he needed to fight March 25th. I talked to Brave. They're like, we're not trying to give you an ultimatum, but one, we're not going to have a fight until after Ramadan, so that's at the end of May. And then two, it's not going to be in Bahrain.

It's going to be in whatever country, and it's not a guarantee that the country is going to let you win. Originally, I was supposed to fight December and January and Russia, and both times the country is like, sorry, man, we're not letting Americans in. So there are travel bans against Americans in certain, you know, parts of the world, Europe, Russia. So it's kind of, you have to take the opportunity when it's given to you.

So I'm hoping in July. It just really depends on the pandemic. This possible new strain, the vaccines, and whatever the case may be when it comes to the new rules and different nations. But tomorrow is for people who don't know, and Brave TV is 100% free now worldwide, BravecfTV.com, which is so dope for any pay-per-view event

to be like, you know what, we're just going to have it free. This is their 50th event. Two of the guys are Zach Mikowski versus Valley Morad. This is, they went to a split decision the first time Zach Mikovsky won. It's pretty much a soundbo. world champ versus a highly touted UFC veteran and Zach Mikowski. That's a rematch to see who's going to make it to the finals.

And then on the other side is Ali Bagotinov versus Dustin Ortiz, both of them, highly touted UFC veterans. I believe one was a title contender. Dustin never, I don't believe ever made it to the title contender shot. But, I mean, he fought the likes of Joseph Medevita, Zach Nikowski and so many more guys. So this is, this is a high caliber fight. And that's my next, you know, matchup. So whoever wins between Zach Mikalski and Ali, or excuse me,

Zach Dustin Ortiz and Ali is my next matchup. And I'll be commenting there watching literally front row. I hope I get some blood on myself and just have a good time, man. It's going to be a really good show. Where are you right now again, to tell everyone? I'm in the kingdom of Bahrain. Shoot. I've literally been here for a month.

Because when I found out my fight got moved early, I was like, well, my coach Dean Thomas was not able to show up. And I was like, well, let me get used to the coach out there. And let me get the hard part over and done with it. As you can tell, I'm fat and happy. I had to speed up my weight cut a week ahead. So I was like, let me get the hard part over and done with the flight. And let me start training with KHKMMA here.

One of the teams I was back with in 2015, work with Eldor El Dor Al Dorof, who was in my corner, these super lightweight champions of Brave. And, man, I've been in this hotel for a month. and the COVID restrictions here are extremely strict. Like Bob Rain got hit last month really, really hard with COVID cases. So they were saying, Shorty, the workout room is closed and the sauna's closed. And I'm looking at the guys like, dude, I have to cut.

Wait, what are you talking about? And they're like, okay, we have to schedule your stuff only at night because, you know, the commission walks through. So I'm sorry, like, no one can come through. I'm like, all right, what time at night? They're like, you need it twice. All right, 10 to 12 and 5 in the morning to 7 in the morning. And then the whole day was doing nothing, you know? was like I'm pretty much back on American time.

All right, this is interesting. And then slowly, you know, the restrictions slowly let up where now you could have like five people in a certain area and so many now. But it was it was hectic. But the worst part about it, I'm pretty sure you guys know Abu Dhabi. I mean, they probably treat you guys a little better because you had the whole island. But we're stuck here in the hotel. You can't do anything. And it's hotel food three times a day.

It's almost like a fancy prison. Well, Shorty, I will tell you when I was there in Saddam. I was there for five weeks and they had closed the entire area down. So it was basically they had like police barricades on two ends of the street. And so there were no people anywhere. So we could go from one hotel to the fighter hotel to the arena. And then we had about 50 yards of beach and that was it. And then the next time we came in January, all that was taken away and we could only go from hotel to arena.

So it was a five-star prison. And that's the thing. Like you walk in and like, oh my God, this is so nice. And then it's like a trap. It's kind of like, you know, come into my van and help me find my puppy or come into my van and I have candy. And then you find out it's like a top layer of candy and the rest of it's just like rapper. You know, like that's pretty much how it was. It was the five week one by week four, I was starting to lose my mind because I was tired of the hotel food and I was tired of seeing the same people every day.

And I was tired of just the same one block that I could only go to. And then when we drove, then we had to get in a show, and they drove to the airport. All the media was like, we saw a car, and we were like, whoa, because there were no cars either. It was all just golf carts everywhere. It was a trip, man. I tell you that much. Well, that's the mess of thing. So since I already had my coach here, I asked Brave, I was like, well, can I fly someone here for moral support?

Because at the time, I'm still cutting down to the flyweight. So I was like, let me have someone here for moral support. I don't need a coach. Let me fly my brother here. You know, maybe he can just be here, have fun, enjoy the trip. and literally maybe two days in, he's like, man, this hotel food sucks. I don't be here anymore. I was like, dude, I've been here for a month.

You're stuck. It was a trap. Such is life. How difficult was it to, if you may, were they giving you healthy food to cut weight? I mean, or was it just whatever they mean? That seems very difficult. I'm sorry. Well, it's crazy because it is, it was healthy food.

Like they would give you, like, unsalted chicken. vegetable like steamed vegetables and whatever like you had a small little menu that you can change technically every day but it was you know it's almost like I had better cafeteria food in high school than I did here because I really do believe that they maybe ordered somewhere and they just kept in the fridge and was just like oh you need chicken uh rice and some steamed vegetables oh okay here let's get it out of the fridge let's microwave before you and to bring it downstairs and you're just like oh great it's the same thing over and over and over again And like immediately my brother had it for three days and just he couldn't even just control his bowels me.

I was like, dude, I've been doing this for a month and it is what it is. Maybe it's actually helped me make weight. But because my opponent was last minute, Brava's like, hey, you know, we're going to make it 61 kilograms pretty much 135 catch weight. And I was like, if he wants to make it, you know, 145, I'll take it. I don't care. Like, please, I'll take anything. Like I don't want any type of handicap. And plus I don't have to cut weight.

but it was you know I just made a post about it too I tore a ligament of my foot different catch weight different opponent I was expecting a BJJ guy then I had to face you know a brawler like myself a pressure fighter you know didn't have my my head coach by my side that I really wanted I've been trained with this entire time Dean Thomas was out here for three weeks by myself and then you know obviously after the fight couldn't couldn't walk couldn't do anything but it's man it's part of the journey it's part of the adventure and I'm not trying to have any any mental strain mess up myself I did that won to Alex Perez. I did that another time.

You know, my father passed away and then there's so much things of mental health, and that's why I just want to, I'm not, because obviously, I won. It's a fact of I just want to show people that I'm still pushing through, and I don't see why you can't do it either. It's really just all the perspective and how we, you know, create that mentality. Is it still part of the tournament? Yeah, yeah, and that's, that was the fortunate thing. Because it was still last minute, they go, Shorter, you can take the buy or you can take a fight, but the fight might be at a catch weight because it was it was literally a five-day notice you know i doubt any guy especially the small weight class of flyweight is going to make weight i had one guy from kazakhstan back out and

then blaine was like i can take it at 57 or at 125 but that's you know possibly able first and that card was already i'm like dude i'm made an event already and i want to stay main event given i got bumped down dame you brave but i got bumped down the co-made event and i was like i'll take it at 61 that's perfectly found me one i don't have to cut weight in two i'm just happy to fight like i'm not trying to go and get the buy, you know, train for days and days and leave my mother home alone and not be able to fight. Like I want to make this worse. Even if I lose, it's still worth fighting because there's some type of resume. But overall, man, I'm just happy I got a fight. Scientific. Is that gas-up? Honestly, I really do believe he's my doppelganger.

I'm probably like the best category of his mini-me. Like if we can do like an Austin Powers mini-me segment, I would be that. between you and nazarac hackparats both of you look just like dude but like i'm so much smaller than both of them so it just it looks even it legit looks like it's many of me we can sing you know songs like in austin powers we can do it you got you got to like one of those little russian dolls thing where you know we yeah well i'm gonna say you're inside each one you're like kelvin fights at 185, Nazareth fights at 155, and Shorty fights at 125. So it's all 30 pounds apart. It's like a Pokemon evolution. The only problem is everything will change, but the head

will stay the same size. Yeah, I was going to say, the head, the head size and the beard. But anyway, you guys know the drill, Shorty, you know the drill, ask whatever questions you want to ask. We have an actual fighter on this time. So if you have any other fist fighting questions, you can ask him too, but Shorty knows the drill. He'll talk about anything. It might not be the best fighter If you look at my eyes So the first question I'm going to bring up is actually a question

It was our final question From last week's A-side But we're going to answer it today Woffdog in the YouTube comments It's steeping at an immediate rematch If he loses So obviously this question was last week Before the fight happens

He has since been knocked unconscious By Francis Gano in round two He was as many people label to the greatest heavyweight of all time held pretty much every UFC heavyweight record like most wins, most bonuses, most title defenses, two-time champs, so on and so forth. It was hard to say he didn't deserve a rematch if he had lost, but the way he lost and the violence in the way he lost and the fact that Francis and Gano was already talking about Derek Lewis and John Jones, same as Dana White probably means Stipe is not getting the immediate

rematch. But Shorty, does Stipe deserve an immediate rematch after that loss? is he going to get it 100 let me say that 98% no they're already mentioned like they have even mentioned steep in the rematch I believe he deserves a rematch because it's one one I think it's only fair i get connor greggers a you know a high selling guy but he got dominated the last fight too and they're automatically saying let's set up for the third fight let's set up for a trilogy and make this rematch given yeah that's not for a title as possibly a title contender shot but that should be the same for the champion he beaten in ganu Yeah, I believe he defended it again against D.C.

And then he ended up losing to Nangano. It's only fair to be able to get that rematch. He lost to D.C. was able to eventually get a rematch after D.C. defended the belt. You know, obviously he was working, going through injuries, whatever the case may be. He came back and ended up getting his own knockout. And then they got a third fight.

And then he ended up winning the decision again. So I believe it's only fair to have the greatest heavy weight of all time, redeem himself. And then after that, let him do what he wants to do. the only problem is what steep is he does live and have a full-time job with his family, being a fireman, going through possible injuries, whatever the case may be. So if you do give him the steep rematch, it might be a very, very long time until he fights again, possibly towards the end of the year. But the John Jones fight, I think, is the fight that everyone wants to see.

I know I definitely want to see. Derek Lewis is, no offense to Derek Lewis. I mean, I would take $8 million, too. But, I mean, that first fight that they had just wasn't. exciting. So is it enticing? No. Does anyone really believe that Nagano Lewis 2 will be just like Nagano Lewis 1? I don't think anyone believes that.

I mean, yeah, it sucked, but that was an anomaly. Derek Lewis of a bad back and Francis Nagano just still mentally kind of shattered from the steep A loss right before that. I mean, I get it. I really do. do, but there was one thing that hindered both of them is that they both have knockout power, literally one-punch knockout power, and that's what, you know, made them kind of both like,

man, I got a bad back or, man, I'm so mentally weakened from, you know, my last fight, that one shot, you know, even if it wasn't a big shot or a knockout shot, can have more of an impact in the long run than, you know, something that if they win in their 100% start brawling, honestly, I don't see it as an exciting fight. John Jones, to me, is possibly the, you know, let me. phrase that is definitely the bigger draw but you know he wants he wants more money for it yeah john jones franz and gano is a massive fight i think if they sell that right that could do a million pay-per-view buys maybe i don't know but that's the fight everyone wants to see i agree with you

but how about this though you know we said stepe's going to be out for a while when stepe uh lost to dc the first time got knocked out he was out for a while but his first fight back was for the title when stepey does come back so it may come back in a year, nine months. I'm sure Francis will fight in between that time. Does he still get, say, the winner of Nagano versus Jones or Nagano versus Lewis? Or does Stevey have to go to the back of the line type of thing? I think that's really only fair.

You know, and he's an older gentleman too. Again, he does a lot behind the scenes. Obviously, a fireman working a full time job doing his thing. So thank you for your support, man. But it's the fact of he should be as he is the best heavyweight in its history. You know, so being able to come back to have that immediate rematch whenever he is ready. Cool, let's have this John Jones fight, possibly the Derek Lewis fight, whatever's first. And then after that, face the winner.

I would love to see him fighting in Ghanu next, even though it is, again, a very, very scary fight. I'm pretty sure it's a fight that he wants, that he definitely wants to redeem and knows he can beat him because he's beat him once before. Maybe he can do it again. Yeah, I definitely feel steep. deserves an immediate rematch, but deserves an UFC matchmaking never, very rarely go hand in hand. Yes. Yeah, I don't know what. I imagine steep he won't fight until next year anyway, so the whole heavyweight division could be completely different by the time he comes back.

Anyway. Thanks for the question, waft dog. From last week. Okay, here we go. Let's get to the big news. And Ghana versus Jones Jones versus Dana. Will it happen next? And if so, how will it pay out?

And what's your take on the whole Jones versus Dana situation from Grebs 77 on the site? So yes, I'm sure everyone saw as soon as the fight happens, Dana White was saying, if I'm John Jones, I go far away from heavyweight. I dropped 185, this and that. John Jones obviously saw it and was live tweeting the press conference at Dana White. Dana White then responded to John Jones during the press conference. said call Hunter now Hunter Campbell of course is works for the UFC kind of does all the matchmaking seems to be the not all the matchmaking but he's the liaison between Jones and

Dana White I imagine because John Jones is Dana White kind of have an issue now then John Jones came out and said cut me release me if you don't like me I feel insulted saying he wants at least $10 million to fight Franciscan Gano wants to fight wants to know his worth Dana White hasn't really said anything since then John's pretty much been one-sided John Jones throwing accusations at Dana White and all this so So Shorty, what do you make of this whole John Jones versus Dana White part 50 at this point? I think it's damn good marketing. You know, you look at Dana White immediately after every press conference, whatever he says gets publicized.

And those fighters immediately come back and hashtag this, hashtag that, you said this, you said that, bleep, bleep, bleep, whatever the case may be. And now the fans are enticed to watch this fight when by the time it finally happens, you look at when it started happening with Amazado. And all the fighters started to support Mazurah out of nowhere. Oh, he deserves this fight. He deserves more money. He deserves this. And then he takes a fight and give in, I know, last minute, he didn't perform at his best.

And hopefully he performs a little better coming up with the Kamau rematch. But I think John Jones deserves it. He is literally one of the best champions in his history. I think of the longest reigning champ without losing. And moving up, again, he's been doing the training camp. People want to see this fight against Franciscan Gano. I believe he deserves Temo. believe almost all fighters in MMA generally deserve more money than what they make,

especially when you compare it to boxing. You know, I think there was that one photo of Canello making $30 million in like 30 minutes compared to Donald Soroni fought the same day for the same amount of time and made $300,000. And Canelo fought like, and Canello wasn't fighting a top rank guy. Like he was just fighting, you know, top 15 guy. Yeah, it wasn't like fighting the best. Yeah, just a guy. Yeah.

And you're like, oh, man, why is there such a big difference? difference and Jones knows what he's worth. You know, if it was, you know, some lower down fighter, and this is not even to like bash Leon Edwards, but Leon Edwards is nowhere near, you know, marketable compared to John Jones. Obviously, Jones has the belts, multiple title defenses and, you know, all these, all these things behind the scenes that create drama and want, you know, people to see if Leon Edwards or other people said that, yeah, no offense, man, you know, wait, wait your turn, but John Jones is John Jones.

He knows his marketing ability. He knows how to promote himself. and I think he 100% deserves this. Plus, it's going to get the fan entice so much more. He's arguing with Dana. He's going to try to prove the point against Francis Naganu. Can he beat the bigger man? And I think scientifically, technically,

I think Jones has every single ability to knock out, or not even to knock out, but the tap-out. Francis Ngano is just, Ngano has that one-shot knockout power, which that was the scariest thing with the first steep fight of, you just never know what's going to happen at all five rounds. I think John Jones would beat Francis. I would favor John Jones over,

Francis for sure case you shaking I think John Jones is the best 205 ever he's not I don't think he's the best heavy weight we've seen it we've seen a heavy John Jones when he bulks up when he bought OSP that is not

does not I just think John Jones won't be fast enough he's not going to be strong enough and I think it's a it's a good match obviously it's going to be a tough fight but I still favor Francis over every single person in the world right now so Francis got dominated by Stepe for five rounds. He got 50, 45 from one fight,

and then Francis knocked him dead in the second fight. So it's two completely different dominant performances. And, like, one, as you said, mentally broke Francis and took his soul after 25 minutes. His soul was not taken. And then another one. And while his soul was taken because then he forgot how to throw a punch in the second fight.

He had to relearn how to throw a punch. And then he knocked out Curtis Blaine. So, and then we see Stepe get decapitated. So two completely different performances, but two completely different performances, dominant performances from two individuals. I'm not saying, but I disagree, I disagree. Let me finish the question first.

I understand and I would favor Francis in the rematch, but I want to know why people are disregarding Steepay's first win. Stepe won very, like he won, he 50-45ed him and then got knocked down the second fight. People saying Steve Francis walks right over Steepie again and they do a trilogy fight. I just want to know why people,

People are forgetting the first fight in this regard. So already I'll start with you. Everyone always thinks of the now. They forget everything from the past. You look at Anderson Silva. Annes Silva being one of the greatest champions ever, but people forgot he got scissors swept to a heel hook. You know, it's one of those things that you forget.

You forget he broke his leg against Chris Wydenman because you look at what he did that was so great. You look at his last few fights, even though they weren't the best, they were fan-intertaining. You know, Israel Asana, all these other guys, they were fan-intertaining fights. So when you look at the now, that's what people pay attention to, especially the average fan. No offense to the average fan, but not everyone has U.S.C. fight pass and is looking up the old fights and enjoying a good time and remembering John Jones when he did this or Stepe when he did that.

Plus, steep A's first fight, even though it was a dominating one to the average fan, it was a boring one. It was a wrestling match. There was no submission attempts. There were no drops or knockdowns, at least on Stepe's part. It was just all wrestling. Now, if you look at it, though, John Jones, he has the pedigree. He has the resume to easily out-rustle. I think if we look at it now, if John Jones were to fight Stepe, I think John Jones would kill Stepe. And I think it would almost be the same thing with Nengano.

It would just take a little longer and a little more strategy because John Jones is longer. I believe he's taller. And with that length, it's going to be a whole different game. And John's notical with some of his fights. in the past few, he's picked his shots appropriately. He's picked some very, very smart fights. You look, his last one with Alexander Gustafson,

around the same height, reach and all that, and he just dominated it. So if he really studied and prepares to this fight, like, I know he is. I think that's just pure domination for John Jones. Casey, we talked a lot, like, the big storyline between Francis Stipe Francis I and Steepe Francis II was the improvements that Francis made,

which we clearly saw stuff to take. down got some ground and pound was throwing those hooks in when steepe turns back one fair and square improvements clearly made new coach and everything why aren't we saying what are the why aren't we saying what are their adjustments stepe makes if they do a third round fight this is what i'm trying to like people just kind of assume francis will win which is fine i would favor francis in the in the trilogy but why are we giving stepe this same benefit of the doubt on making adjustments between fights and why can't he win the trilogy fight? Why are we just writing him off right away?

Because Francis was basically in terms of fighting years, he was a kid in that first fight. He was only, I think, three or four years into the sport. His first kind of real true main event. Did he even a main event before that?

No. So he had no main events, no five-round fight experience at all, and it was a giant jump-up in competition. I think before that he had knocked out over him, It was over him. Yeah, he knocked out over him in the first round. Overing.

As far as like, it's go top, top tier, you know, at A level at the time, a level, even at the time, a level heavyweights. And our loss and overreem was one. And yeah, I just feel, Nagano was just, he was a kid in the sport at that time. And now he's just a much better fighter, much more mature fighter, much more controlled fighter. And now he has truly found a great camp that. understands him and works with him. That camp he had with Derek Lewis. He was at syndicate that time and that match just didn't work out. You know, syndicate is a great camp with John Wood and their coaches down there, but that just relationship didn't work out. And that was a one-fight

thing and they moved on. And Francis and Gong was just a much better fire. Now, can Steve A make the giant adjustments between the two fights? I don't think. I think, I think, I think Steve's, he's too far into his career. He's, what, 38, 39? I don't think there's enough adjustment. deep can make to defeat Francis. So what's the difference between being knocked out? But it's like what I'm talking about, like, like, like, I think of this is almost like when Amanda Nunes lost to, uh, what's your name? Huh? What I mean?

No, no, before that. Julia? Julia? No. She's, who is she? Regardless. She lost in the victa. She lost in a victa.

She got grinded out for three rounds. That was back when she was still with MMA Masters, you know. She was still young in the game. She had to have big fight experience. Now, if they re-Seria, that was it. So, she got, Manonino's got dominate for three rounds by Sarah Diallo. If they fought again, Manonanunas would win 99, no, 100 of 100 times. No, I understand that.

That's why I'm not saying, yeah, and I'm not saying, I clearly favor, I favor Francis in this. If they'd fight again, I'm picking Francis 100%. I'm just saying, why aren't fans? My question was, why aren't fans, like, Steepa got knocked out by D.C in the first round, made adjustments and then knocked out D.C. So I'm just saying, like, I'm wondering why fans aren't giving Steepa the benefit of the doubt. I favor Francis, but we've seen Steepa make adjustments. We've seen Francis make adjustments. I'm wondering if Steve A can make adjustments.

I think, I think because we've seen Francis get better every fight with his losses. And Steepa, we kind of know who he is. We know what he's doing. Like, the Stepe that fought D.C. the second time, that wasn't. to me a better steep. That was just a steepe that understood who he was fighting better. You know? Like we asked him, like, I remember

when I asked Steve A, you know, after the second fight, you were taking a lot of big punches in that fight, the same punches that knocked you out in the first time. And Steve-Pey just said, well, I was expecting him this time. Now, I learned from my mistakes. And, but I think

for Steve-to-beat Francis, it's not learning from my mistakes. You just, I think Steve-Bee just needs to be a much better heavyweight. And it sounds like I'm talking crap on Steve-Bee. It really does. But I'm not. Because- The greatest heavyweight ever, and he has to be a better heavyweight.

Yeah, because I think Francis Nangano is the best heavyweight. Yeah, you might be the greatest of all time. But today, whatever today is, Francis Nogano beats every single person on the planet. And sorry, that's just how I feel. disagree. And so if Steepa is the second greatest person, second greatest heavyweight in the world, that's an unbelievably great accomplishment. Unfortunately, Francis deGano exists.

So I'm not talking crap. I agree that I favor Francis. I'm just wondering why fans all of a sudden think Steepa can't make adjustments when we saw. Anyway, we talked about all this for a long time. Let's get to the next question. Oh, wait, we didn't even answer Jones Dana situation. Yeah, Shorty answered it. Yeah.

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Instacart, groceries that over deliver. Service fees exclusions and terms apply. Cruz versus O'Malley. Kristen Gordet. Thoughts on the possible match of between Cruz and O'Malley. O'Malley wants the fight as the co-main event of Poria and McGregor 3. I'm not mad at it. Opportunity for O'Malley to break through the top 10

if a cruise gets him closer to maybe sneaking back into the title picture. Shorty, this is your weight club, well, not your actual weight class. I'm actually past this weight class right now. Like you're like you could probably fight Israel-Azran right now probably right I would I would fight gas them basically there you go anyway there's be a tree to see who's the guy who should be called who you've you fought a 135 before you were a champ champion another organization so what do you think about Dominic Cruz who made it be the greatest band weight ever fighting Sean O'Malley

Shail Sunnan did say Dominic Cruz text him that he wants Sean O'Malley Dominant Cruz has since gone on the Air Hohuanian show saying no I didn't that never happened Really? Joseo Aldo. Yeah, Joseo Joseo just said he wants to fight Dominic Cruz, which I'm all for. So what do you make of this whole

Bannon Way scenario going on? The Bannamway scenario is crazy. Again, it's a big drama show, Triple G, big drama show. But it's the fact of if this fight does happen, I'm going to give the slight edge of Dominic Cruz because, again, he is, you know,

he's a scientist, man. All he does is watch fights for a lifting. He breaks things down and looking at O'Malley's past few fights with the possible injuries with the calf kicks and his injuries pretty much everything below the waist

he's had problems coming in against higher level fighters but Dominant Cruz against what was his last fight against Casey? Was it Casey Kenney? Yeah. That was a very, very tough fight a much tougher fight than I even expected

and again that's just my high regard to Dominic Cruz that's not at all downing Casey Kenney's ability but Casey Kenney really stepped up that day and showed that Dominic Cruz is a little bit out of his prime. He is older. He is getting to that point and this might be his last

run up to the top. I think marketing wise it would be an awesome fight to see Dominic versus Sean O'Malley because even Sean's last few performances where he was able to get the knockout finish. He looks phenomenal. He's smooth. He's seamless. He's so flexible with his head kicks. He just throws whatever he needs to throw

and you don't really see it coming. But when you have another long opponent like Dominic Cruz, who's moving, can O'Malley hit that? But Dominic Cruz, again, picks his shots appropriately, does go for the takedowns, and I believe this would be more of a ground-contested fight. At least for me, I would, even if I was a better stand-up fighter, O'Malley does have that one-shot knock-out power, whether it's with his kicks or with his punches.

I would go for the takedown, and that's what I see Dominicruz doing. I would give the slight edge of Dominic Cruz just because of the past injuries O'Malley has and the experience level against the higher-level guys. Again, you look at Cheeto Vera. But I think that's a fun fight. it's a fan fight to make, and especially right now, by the UFC's marketing, I think the fan fights are something that everyone wants to see.

And I think it'd be a respectable thing for Dominic Cruz would be a co-made event again. Would you say to Aldo versus O'Malley, considering Aldo just beat Cheeto, who beat O'Malley? I think that'd be downgrading Aldo, and that's no offense to O'Malley. It's just you're moving way down in the rankings, and you're just more fighting for popularity,

like Ben Askeran versus Jake Paul or Logan Paul or whatever Paul that is. You know, so it's the fact of Aldo's a champ man, and he's only lost to the best of the best. So I don't see him at all should be fighting anyone below the top three, top five. Aldo deserves to fight the best of the best. And just even the legacy fight, I would love to see him fight Dominic Cruz.

That would easily be the best fight possible, and that's a phenomenal co-made event. Cruz Aldo, I think, is the fight I would want, just because, you know, two WEC vets, two people consider the two greatest at one specific weight class. I wanted Cruz versus Frankie Agger for years, but with Frank Agar coming off that loss, probably not going to happen right now.

There's a lot of band-of-weight fights happening, so I think we've got to let these fights play out. O'Malley won't fight Kyler Phillips, their teammates. Maraub's out there, Cody Stamon, Jim Rivera, all those fights. Casey, what do you make of this? No, I don't dig this fight. Not at this point in their careers.

I mean, it's a good... Dude, Bantamway is the best division in the freaking planet. So any fight, you can't mess it up, to be honest. But I'm just don't like Cruz O'Malley at this time, although I love No Prospect versus Vet Fight. Yeah, I like Cruz Auto. I still like Cruz Edgar. Not as much anymore, but I still like it more than this.

Actually, I want to see O'Malley Vera again. I want to see that as a main event for Fight Night, because that has serious heat. Amali can finally get that zero, you know, to get that loss back, you know, his, you know, his quote-unquote loss. And Vera has tweeted that, you know, hey, let's run it back then, you know, tough guy. So that's the fight I don't want to see because, you know, I like storylines. I don't think that fight happens at all anytime soon. I wouldn't hate it either, but I just don't think it'll happen.

Yeah. I know Vera said he'll run it back. As O'Malley said, he'll run it back. Well, Mowley seems pretty indifferent to it Because he's like, whatever I won, he's like, I won already, or it's a no contest I just think Mowley is still the bigger name than Marlin And I think he understands that

So he just wants bigger names But it is what it is Any of those fights are cool Man, O'Malley, he's As long as his body can be durable enough To fight top anton weights Man, he's good His striking is good

he's very good really really good he's just you know rank blown obviously he's had an unfair sure circumstances with body injuries you can't do anything about it you look at dominant cruz you know two knee surgeries and coming back you know it's it's just part of the game but i mean you look at his instagram i think he has what like one point whatever million followers already and he's i don't even think he's in the top 10 like that's dude that's not even top team yeah exactly i'm at least i'm at the top 50 wow but that gives him that gives him marketing when it comes to let's just call out anybody and the fans won Tyson that much more

and that's why he's calling out Dominic Cruz for him, it's a smart thing and honestly it's a win-win. Even if you lose the Dominic Cruz, you lost to one of the best band-am weights of all time and maybe you just went up too fast and if you win, you just beat one of the best band-in weights of all time and now you're possibly in the top 10, top

five, you know, going into whoever's next. So Marlon Verris since at 15 and then I honestly, and then like so the top 15 to 10 is from the bottom up Vera Kyler Phillips, Cody Stamen, Meraa, J. Rivera, Hoffa,

Alessonso, wouldn't put O'Malley above any of those guys in the range wise. So O'Malley's probably sitting 16. But yeah, it's Van and White absolutely rules. Well, I think based on his past wins, yeah, I wouldn't put Mali above those guys. But if you match him up,

I could seriously see him out of being this. Yeah. But he just has to get the opportunity to fight them. Marab would be a they're not going to give him Marab any time soon probably not totally stamen either just like crazy powerful wrestlers oh it just yeah that's not that's not how the UFC works they they they they understand know who the big name fighters are do too too too featherweight mania from I can't see the name I probably got cut off

anyway with Volcanobsky and Ortega from Matt Bradbury on the site with Vulcanowski Ortega being canceled and hopefully booked for the summer what do you think the featherweight division will look like by the end of the air some points to discuss the return is a beat emmett yaire zombie and cater alan versus yucef probably being the next contender featherweight dan ege is back barboza versus burgos incoming prospects like evel who's it evlov i don't know uh michel chikaze doadu tobera ryan hall so a lot of stuff happening in featherweight shorthy what do you make of uh featherweight mania as mr bradbury put it Man, yeah, there's so many, it's weird.

Why are there so many feather weights just waiting on the side? Like everyone somehow is injured, and then now everyone's coming back at the same time and creating a fun, you know, spectacle of who's going to be next? Dan Ige, his last fight was that, what that, like five-second knockout? Yep. No, no, no, no, no, it wasn't a five seconds. That's what D.C. said. It was like, it was like 30 seconds.

Yeah, it was like, it was that long. DC was like, yeah, three seconds. seconds. I was like, what are you talking about? You almost, I was thinking of the same. Yeah. I'm just as big as DC right now, so I understand his mindset.

You know, we see things in slower motion, but that's because my heart's beating too fast, cholesterol levels. But no, man, you know, Dan Igay's been really, really productive compared to all these other guys. Yeah, they're high-level guys. You know, you have green zombie, you know, Zabit, and man, all these

guys coming back. But Dan Ike's been there the entire time, and especially with that 30 second five second doc or whatever you want to call it somewhere in between that just put on the show i believe he deserves i wouldn't say a title shot but um you know maybe a title contender shot or a shot to be a title contender shot against some of these guys coming back and all these guys yeah i know they can't control these injuries and so be it but they're inactive all these other guys have been working again like dan ege so give him possibly one of those matchups and whoever wins that possibly gets a title contender

shot because that vocanasia or take a fight that has to happen that is a phenomenal phenomenal fight and maybe something could be a co-mate event to that coming up yeah we don't know where zabit is zabit is training in russia and moscow couple of the russian media on fad island said zabit something was going on like fame he like fame freaked him out for a bit so he took a step back emmitt is uh recovering from injuries you can go watch the interview on ma fighting dot com he what happened with a casey like he had an injury and then he had to go back for another surgery or something else yeah his knees are all messed up he's just yeah so he's probably not gonna be back till next year yeah air who knows

he's what he got suspended for the usada violation but it wasn't that he tested positive it was like three different locate like he didn't show up for the test or something or he wasn't where he was he didn't update his phone thing whatever yeah so it was like location thing uh zombie wants to return he'll probably he fights denigate cater probably still he's up after getting beat up by max and yeah and then like shorty said everyone is pretty much on the sidelines dan e gay is ben active so e gay zombie sounds good to me and then all those other fighters can just fight each other uh who is hakeem duwato supposed to fight we're supposed to fight we're supposed to fight right and then i think hekeem duwado pulled out

is it's chikas yet no shame's fighting barbosa but i think duly pulled out of the original fight and they rebooked shame burgos against barbosa and ryan hall has a fight against somebody somebody i can't remember off the top of my head and then i actually I think Chikazzi's fighting Jeremy Stevens or called out of Jeremy Stevens. So there's some bangers coming up for sure Featherway. And then Ryan Hall will talk about when he actually has a fight and he's in the office. Yes. You know what's crazy?

Two things in this comment. No mention of Max Holloway. I think people just accept that he's the number one contender. Is that what it is? And not mention here because obviously it's not UFC, but I just got to throw it out there. The best featherweight in the world is fighting this Friday. about your main event the best featherweight in the world

is it Friday or Thursday he's fighting he's fighting Emmanuel Sanchez yeah part of the and that's in that the rematch that's a very very good fight yeah it's the semifinals and then the winner of that will face

AJ McKee that's exciting so yeah AJ McKee looked phenomenal his last fight so this is just it's one of those things and no matter who wins this one coming up AJ Makey versus anyone is just it's a thriller.

Yeah, people are sleeping on Sanchez. I'm picking Pitbull, but I think it's going to be a heck of a fight. And I think that's going to be Bellator's showtime debut. And that's going to be... Perfect fight. Perfect fight. Yeah, perfect fight. So I hope people watch it.

It should be exciting. Do, do, do, too, too, too. Next question. I watched that last fight with our friend Oscar, and we were just like freaking out over that crazy submission, AJ pulled off. Anyway, MA fighting is 2020 submission of the year. Thank you for the question, Mr.

Bradbury. What was that like the full Nelson type of thing from Guard? It was the Mackey team. It's an old catch wrestling. Oh, man. I did a video tutorial on it. You can go watch it on M.A. Fighters' Instagram page.

I'll send it to you, Jose. I don't know what I posted it. No, there's two Jose. I'll send it to you cool, Jose. Cool, Jose. How about that? There's cool Jose, and then you spelled my first name wrong. It did?

Yeah, you forgot the accent. I don't know how to do the little accent thing on the keyboard. Option E. E. Oh, is that how you do it? Okay. Now I know. See, I learned things in MMA. All 1-30 if you're a caveman and use PCs.

He's smart Jose. I'm Nicole Jose. Yeah. There you go. I like that. Title shot guarantee for Leon. Now that Edwards is facing Nate is the co-main event for USC 262. If Leon wins, you think he can still pass.

He can get still passed over for a title shot where the USC picks Colby instead. It's an interesting question. So as of last night, Leon Edwards has been booked against. Nate Dia is in the co-main event at UFC 262. However, Shorty, I don't know if you saw this. For the first time ever, it is a five-round non-title fight co-main event. So it will still be, it's a five-round fight with no title on the line,

and it is still co-main event for the first time in U.C. history. Yeah, exactly. So... I didn't know you didn't do that. This is an unprecedented and uncharted water. The main event is obviously Michael Chandlerin v. Charles Oliver versus Michael Chandler. I'm not sure who's ranked higher, so apologies. Higher-range fighters get top billing.

I would imagine the winner of this fight will get a title shot. Because Colby's still doing Colby things. And if you win, like, how are you not, if Nate beats Leon Edwards, what's Leon Edwards sitting at three right now? If Nate beats Leon Edwards and, say, Jorge beats Camaro, well, then that would open the can of words of a trilogy fight, which would just, how would you not get, like, they want, they would want Nate in that big money fight. And then if Leon Edwards beats Nate, he beats Nate, who's probably, I would say, him and Jorge

Magidol are the two most popular welterweights in the UFC right now in terms of fan interest, regardless of ranking. Shorty, right? Would you agree? I would agree with that. I would agree with that. It's 1A, 1B, 1. If you want to throw Connor and Welterweight, that's fine. But, like, how would, I would imagine, yes, the winner will be, like, target. for a title shop and the whole cold situation is there but uh shorthy we just broke the news to you five round co-made event so i'll ask you this oh instead of 15 to 25 minutes who do you favor now between lane edwards and nate dyes i believe because it is a 25 minute fight now the later the

the fight goes i give it to dyes he's just one of those guys and he he goes up the pyramid even though he gets beat up the first few rounds and i'm going to give easily the first three rounds to leon Edwards. It's pretty much like the Mazadol fight where Mazuradol started to really start to piece him up, but I do believe if the fight was allowed to go longer, Diaz would have started to come back and do a little more as I thought he was, but again, he got stopped and it is what it is. But this fight is a tough fight for both. You know, Nate Diaz is obviously going to try to get this fight down to the ground. Yeah, he's going to stand up. He's a prideful guy, and most of his takedowns are more like,

fine, I'll go for it. It's right here. Might as well take it. You know, he's not really much of a shooter and not much of a grappler trying to trying to bring you down but Leon Edwards you know for the first few minutes before the eye pokes of Bilal Mohammed he looked pretty smooth he looked calm for having was a year and a half two year layoff in his return

he looked smooth he looked calm he was picking his shots and he just he was appropriate he never rushed anything and I believe he's going to do the same thing with Nate Diaz the only problem is Diaz doesn't care about getting hit you saw that with Cona McGregor you saw that on Mao Zadol he's going to push the pace and

kind of make this a very close brawl fight, like what he was trying to do with Connor McGregor the entire time, and even O'Mazaro the entire time. But Leon Edwards, he has the length, he has a distance. I just, where, where's this fight going to be at? Is it in Texas? Houston, Texas. Okay, so this is a regular-sized cage.

Yeah, big octagon. You know, so now if it was a small-sized cage, like the apex, that would be more of an A-D-S type of fight. But now Leon Edwards has room to move, has room to box, kickbox, and use what he does. And he's not a bad wrestler himself. himself. Obviously, when it gets down to the ground, I'm going to give the slight advantage than Nate Diaz just because that's his bread and butter. But overall, if it's a five-round

fight, I'm giving this to Diaz if it makes it past round three. But Diaz is, dude, he's hard to finish. He is extremely hard to finish. And hell, you're going to ask Mazdov. But I do say the UFC is banking on both Diaz and Mazaro winning so they can make that fight rematch and make it possibly a double belt thing where it's not just going for the Welterweight championship, but it's also going for the BMF belt. Calling it. Calling it. Yeah, you're not wrong.

And Colby and Stephen Thompson can fight at some point. Stephen Thompson seems to be the forgotten man in this division. Poor Stephen Thompson. Poor Stephen Thompson. It's because he's so nice. I love the guy to death, but he's, you know, I think after the Bilal Mohammed fight, he's like, how about you fight me, please? That would be awesome.

And that's, sadly, at least this is like the attitude era in the UFC, like how WWE had it. Like, you have to be just a mean. type of person just to get something that you want. Sadly, Thompson, even Leon Edwards is just kind of like, man, I'll fight anybody. No, okay, I'm just going to sit back here and just slowly, you know,

disappear. So it's the fact of it's, it should be great for him to get the Nate Diaz fight, but I don't believe it's for him. I believe this fight is for Nate Diaz to possibly get that title shot next and then create this huge drama show with whoever wins between Camaro and Mazur,

I think they're hoping for Mazur, because that makes more of a drama, that makes more of impact marketing. that would be fantastic. And then whoever wins that fight, Kobe's next. And that just adds more marketing to it. So the UFC is playing a really, really good game plan.

It just, it really all depends on Leon Edwards' performance. I think if Nate wins, he's going to look at the winner of McGregor, Porre, or the winner of Uzman Mazuriel, especially if it's Mazurah. Because him and Pori have beef, him and McGregor have beef, him and Mazurie all have,

everyone has beef, Nate Diaz. Me and Nate are cool. Yeah, we're cool because we're not funter. Man, I got to give credit the UFC on this one, though. This, after Leon poked

Bahaw in the eye and that fight was in no contest, you know, all the shows were going to go, what's next? Is there going to be a rematch? What's next? What's next? I don't recall anyone thinking, oh, well, clearly Leon Edwards is going to fight Nate Diaz next. I had heard I had heard that they wanted Nate. It makes sense.

I had heard they wanted Nate to fight Leon, but Nate is a pay-per-view guy now. Like, he's not going to fight on the main event of a fight night. Like, he wanted five rounds, but he didn't want to, he didn't want an ESPN card. He wanted a pay-per-view. But then I don't know how you, I don't think Leon and Nate is a pay-per-view headliner right now.

Like, we all agree it's a great fight. I agree. I agree. I disagree. I agree. I agree. It's a great fight, but Leon is not a proven draw, whatsoever.

and this is a way to get eyeballs on the vacant title that Habib had been sold out arena in Houston five rounds I think it's just the perfect scenario this is a perfect home-main event and it's a perfect five-round fight I think this is the real main event this is the real main event this is the real main event because that title the title isn't between the top two guys Dustin Poirier is the is the best is the best lightweight in the UFC right now he's not fighting the title so they're fighting for the the dust and porier belt Yeah, it might be an interim lightweight belt. Yeah, I mean, that's what. I mean, I know there's not numbers because it was a fight night,

but did Leon Edwards do anything for that fight night event? I mean, given I know he was fighting a last-minute opponent, Bala Muhammad, but Nate Diaz is making that co-main event. The only unfair thing is, because it is a co-main event, why the hell is it five rounds? And are they going to implement this for every card going after that? Or is this just literally a one-fight type of thing? And if it is because it is five rounds,

are they going to make some ultimatum of it's only five rounds because now it's a title contender shot. So that's the rule if it's a possible title contender shot. These are five-round co-made events. You know, this just helps Nate Diaz. And that's why I believe the UFC wants Diaz to win the fight. Man, I hope five-round type number one contender fights are more of a thing. I definitely hope, but I hope, yeah, I totally agree with you for top contender fights

between two top five guys or even a big name like Nate Diaz. five rounds is definitely the way to go. But cool, Jose, don't, do you agree that if you are fighting a five-round fight for a non-title event, a non-tidal, not for a title, you should get paid more? Do you agree? You're fighting one and a half times more of the fight, you know? So it's, it's, you're taking possibly, again, a regular fight.

People don't know are three rounds, 15 minutes. You're possibly fighting 25 minutes. Doesn't matter if it makes it, you know, passive. first round it goes all the way the full distance of five you should get paid like you're fighting a main event or at least paid like you're fighting a five round five can you can't just maybe for our listeners out there um can you explain maybe like how how different it is training for 25 minutes versus 15 minutes all right uh i think the best and easiest way is for the average person is go run three miles outside and then do the same thing for five miles can you do that like

That's easily the best way I can describe it. Yeah, that's easily the best way I describe it is try to pick up the same pace. Depending on the opponent, you might have to change pace every single round. Depending on the opponent, you might have to increase the pace every single round or stay the same. Again, it could be the Francis Ngano, Derek Lewis fight and not really have a pace. Just kind of, you know, walk it the entire time. Sure.

But it's the fact of it's an extremely exhausting fight, and that changes the whole game plan. And me, I'm, you know, my first rounds usually, I don't do anything. But five-round fights, I just get incrementally stronger. I push the pace as the fight goes on. So for myself, Diaz, Uzman, and some guys like that, they want a five-round fight. This is where we push because we know you're not going to last. You look at Connor McGregor versus Nate Diaz. Nate Diaz, what, has been gotten a...

Conn-Regger never got a knockout past the second round because he is a three-round fighter. He's a guy who pretty much puts everything into that first and second round because of his body type. explosive. He's fast. He's quick twitch compared to Nate Diaz, myself. We're not as athletic. So we use that conditioning to push the pace. So, man, it is a much longer fight, depending on your style. My fight was only three rounds. I had two black eyes. I couldn't walk into the fight. Just imagine if it were a five-round fight. It's exhausting. It's more damaging. And for people who don't know, like I might, you know, just medically, I'm out for sure from training at least for another month until my foot somewhat heals up.

up to where I can move without, you know, without shoes on appropriately. So that just, you know, it causes more damage. Five-round fights take a huge toll on you depending on what it is. Robbie Lawler-Condat fight. Robben-McDenna fight. I think Robbie Lola versus anyone fight, you know, that's five rounds. So it's the fact, man, we take a lot of damage. You look at Kobe coming into Uzman, you know, that fifth round.

That's where Kobe got finished and that's where officially his jaw was done. So these fights, the longer they go, man, it's more damage. And I believe the longer they go, the more money us fighters should make in general. Thank you very much. Do you remember the first non-title fight to be five rounds? That wasn't a main event? No, the first main, like the first, because remember forever, non-title fights were still three rounds, even if they were the main event on the fight nights.

Oh, the first one. Ooh. Do you know the first fight to be scheduled for five rounds that wasn't a title fight for the main event? I don't remember. Shorty? Nope. You're caught. It was...

It is Mark Munoz and Chris Levin in Birmingham, England. UFC 138. Was that the original matchup? That was the original matchup, too, huh? Yeah, that was a one-thirty, that was a scheduled five-round. Main event, obviously, didn't go five rounds. I believe Mark Winoes won. Was it a T, was it a doctor stoppage, I think, or corner stoppage?

I can't quite remember. And then the next fight, Shorty, was Kane and J-D-S. I was the first Fox card, but that was the title fight. That was title fight, yeah. Do you know the first non-title fight to make it into rounds four and five?

Because we just said Leibin and Munoz were scheduled for five rounds but ended in two. Do you know the first non-title fight main event to go four or five? I know because the image is burned into my brain when I watched it.

See, I get posted. The face of living? So, Casey, do you remember? Was it a classic fight? Was it a fight? Yes. Oh, come on. No clue. No clue. I was right there. Hogan Hendo one.

Huh. I remember because after round three, after round three, they cut to Den Henderson. He held up four fingers. He goes, we got two more. We got four rounds, round four, baby. I remember that. That was no way. That was it. The first fight to make it to rounds four and five. That was a non-title fight main event. And that was the main event for a Fox card? Is that one of the main event for a paper

That was a main event for pay-per-view Those UC 139 Oh that was a non-title fight For pay-per-view? Yeah, I forgot Yeah The co-man event was Vandalé Cung Lee

Fabor Brian Bowles was on that card Campman Rick Story Stefan Bonner fought someone I think it might have been Kyle Kingsbury Fader, K.O. Jason Brill's on the like the undercard That fight car was insane And that same day

The Alvers Michael Taylor won Two fight of the years In the same day Yeah I remember, yeah, I remember they cut to Dan Henderson after round three, and he held up the fingers. He goes, we got two more rounds, maybe, because it was the first non-title fight main event to go in rounds four and five.

Fun fact. So now, Nate Diaz, Leon Edwards, Nate Diaz will be the answer to a tribute question. Let's move it forward. All right. Do you do, do, do, do, do? Wait, do we answer this? Hold on. Yeah, that's pretty much the same question we just.

Ted. Yeah, okay, cool. Matt Maggio on Twitter. We can't answer this again. Yeah, sorry. Thoughts on Nathan Diaz versus Leelon Edwards versus Nate Diaz, my guy. Has a normal contender fight at 170 who does five round five favor? Yep, that's pretty much the exact question we just answered. Shorty saying five rounds favors Nate and do we think not title fight, five rounds will stay. I hope for number one contender and contender fights for sure.

Well, that's what I want to bring up. They're only going to stay if the UFC pay. pays up. So, yeah, if the UFC pays, I'm sure Leon Edwards and Nate are getting paid as if it's a main event, you know, but if these guys are doing five rounds for non-main event fights, hopefully they need to get paid like their main event fights. If the fighters are smart, because, man, some fighters are prideful and they're just like, I'll take it. I don't care. I'll take it. It's definitely the, it's definitely the manager's job to make sure that these guys get paid because as a fighter in general, I'm more than happy five-round fights. I honestly believe. Every fight should be a five-round fight, but that's just because I'm a conditioning freak, and I'm more unhappy to take the fight even later, and I just like putting on the show.

But, man, no, yeah, we need to get paid. Just imagine getting beat up for 15 minutes, and then somebody goes, two more rounds. It's kind of like, what was it, Raquel Pennington versus Amanda Nunes, and she's like, I want out, and the coach is like, no, you're back in there. Dude, that sucks.

So, yeah, just picture that. Man, yeah, if there's anything that's going to hurt a prize fighter bank account more, it's pride. Pride will hurt your, it will kill your bank account. Nate Diaz, when this was years ago, one of his other tirades, this is back when Arrow was still doing the MMA hour.

I believe Nate was on, and he went kind of hard on the paint on fighters like cowboy that'll just fight whoever for whatever. Because like Nate's trying to fight for his worth, and if there's always a cheaper option for someone that will fight and still get fan support, he goes, that's what's hurting us right.

now. Fighters like, oh, you don't, I want 10 million. Oh, well, this guy will fight for one million. And he's just, he's just as popular. So I remember that. That's the point of the fighters' union. It's like, dude, we got to kind of stick together. That's why it was so awesome when Masvidal was like, oh, we're independent contractors,

but we're exclusive to the UFC or we get paid this, pay that. Everyone was like, yeah. And then he ended up getting his paycheck and kind of forgot about everyone else. And we're just like, oh, okay, this was more of a selfish thing. Damn. We're still here. You know, so when Nate Diaz, Mazur al-Uzman, Colby, especially those guys in that whole area, Porier is one of the guys that's been marketing. Obviously, McGregor kind of started it off for this whole UFC era.

We need to get paid more. And if we say no, yes, it sucks, but it doesn't look bad on us. It doesn't make us look scared. It's, dude, we're getting paid for what it's worth. What was that documentary just came out that one of the fighters, you know, back in the UFC days is now facing, like, you know, Parkinson's and then has disease and all stuff. Like, there's, dude, we, especially my style, like, I get punched in the face multiple times. Hell, when I fought Alex Perez, I think I got punched 100-some times in like three minutes, you know, and half of that works too. But, like, 90% of it was to the head, you know, so it's one of those things that we take damage.

I might not face it right now, but, you know, I might face in the future and we need to get paid for it. Sign those union cards, boys. I'm Jordan Boxing. That's it. Yeah. All right. We've had the hour mark. Do we want to, let me just, um, if there's any hot questions that we haven't hit.

Oh, you know what? I want to talk real quick. We got one more. We got a couple more real quick. Gage canvas. Oh, yeah. Bruce Wayne on the, on the site. Something Alzo mentioned during fight week was him not being able to get a good grip on the canvas.

He felt, he felt like he was sliding. Alzo is in the first U.C. fighter to mention this recently. And it's something I've noticed while watching funds a lot. Guys falling down are sliding during the action. Has the usually changed the way they make the canvas? So actually, I believe Aljo's reasoning was if anyone sees, they spray kind of disinfectant on the cage between fights because of like COVID reasons and everything,

which is another argument that we don't have to get into right now, but I think Dallas is reasoning like the protocols that are taking the stuff they're putting on the canvas made it slippery. I noticed it in the Aljo fight, but I really noticed it in the Megan Anderson fight. The versus Amanda Ness. She takes that step and her foot just keeps sliding in her kind of knee.

hyper extends and then she gets punched in the face and then she's slipping around yes she got punched with the face you can say that's why she was slipping before that her her foot just didn't stop moving like she just kept sliding along so uh shorty as a fighter what do you make of uh algerno saying the cage is a little slippery right now or the cannabis is slippery i mean i can see the reasoning behind it i mean i know obviously i'm not new of seeing more than but with jillian robertson having a fight. I can't remember who she, yeah, it's like, I don't, I don't, that's terrible. She, she had a fight recently, and after her fight, dude, both for her knees, because she was shooting so much, was just bloody. Like, she won her fight, her face is perfectly fine, but her

knees are just full of blood because it was just those knee scrapes of how many shots she took. And that was, like, the biggest injury. It was freaking disgusting. It looked like she fell off a scooter on the pavement. It was just, you know, one of those injuries as a kid. So those canvases are really, really rough. and you have nothing but grip. And it's amazing because Brave just switched over those as well. And I was like, oh, hey, I got grip, but I can't move anyways, damn torn ligament.

But if you have water on it and you're spraying this constantly between every single round, that's just, in a sense, moisture constantly there. And yeah, you want to get your feet a little way to get a little more grip, but you're pretty much fighting on old puddles that randomly, you know, kind of go up every time you step on it. So I can see that excuse with Megan Anderson. I can see that excuse with Aljo. I can see that excuse with almost every fighter,

especially having, you know, in a very aggressive wrestling style like Aljo or a very aggressive power striking style like Megan Anderson. If you have no grip in your feet, there goes your footing, there goes all your power. So I can see that being an excuse. And obviously COVID, they're just trying to disinfect it even though there's blood on the mats

and saliva and urine and poop that one time in the UFC card. You know, so it's a dude. It's not chocolate. There's doo-doo, baby. You know, so it's one of those things that, you know, I can see that being a legit excuse, but that's also part of the fight game where you kind of have to be like, all right, this area is wet or I might not have the grip that I want. Well, no offense. You're not the only one having that problem. Your opponent's facing the same exact thing. And he's adapting with it perfectly fine. Obviously, look at, you know, Peter Jan. I doubt his knee slipped because of, you know, a wet mat. Peter Yon should have said that. Oh, my knee slipped. That's why I. I hit you in the head.

Sorry. They're sanitizing. Damn COVID. I blame COVID. He obviously had the grip to throw that knee. So there it goes. Amanda Nunez had the grip to throw her power punches. So they adapted well enough and they had the proper balance well enough to go.

All right. I can't really do what I usually do. I have to move and change my game. If they did it, then why can't you? I see a small excuse, but excuses nonetheless. I always thought the UFC canvas is actually super, you got it's super rough. like I've seen super rough and you know the reason why that that special canvas is not it's solely so they can wipe up blood and things off the canvas easier whatever that canvas is it's so they can clean up other things like blood

especially because for broadcast reasons so because you know when there's a bloody fight in the first round they try to get as much of it off so when they go to you know on fox or back then you know Fox or ABC next week there's not just as much blood on the canvas from previous fights that's why that is that special kind of really grippy canvas because apparently the blood comes off easier. What a weird thing to talk about. I just like how family channels showing the UFC. I say that.

Disney owned family. Like I get the ESPN and all that's owned by Disney, but like literally a program designed about family is showing bloody fights. Like, oh, yeah, you know, you guys do you. But no cursing. No cursing, guys. I'm surprised they didn't try to,

I'm surprised he didn't try to edit a lot of the old promos or fights or whatever on, like ESPN Plus. Like the whole controversy right now with, like, WWE is now on Peacock, which I think is NBC's streaming service. And they're going back and editing promos that don't fit their image. So like a lot of attitude error stuff is being edited down and watered down, which is another argument because a lot of that was horrifying back then. It is still horrifying now.

Oh, the UFC edits their fights when they, we, we, broadcast them. Have you, watch the, watch Habib Connor, the rebroadcast? No, no,

no, I meant more like, uh, like press conferences and stuff if they want to rewatch those and stuff. Oh, like just,

huh? Yeah, like even non-fights. All right, uh, we're gonna fly through these because we're at an hour. Quickies,

all right. So just real quick ones. What's scary sight? France throwing a head kick or Francis sprawling? Jordi. Oh, Francis throwing a head kick. Anything getting hit is by Francis is just,

yeah, No, it's scary. No, to me, France is sprawling. Because, like, oh, I have no path to victory. With the odds coming out of Jones, Francis, it appears that Jones would be an underdog for the first time in a very long time. If he were to put away Francis,

it's the goat to bait over. Surely this surpasses what GSP did, yes. If Jones wins the heavyweight title over Francis, Jones is a clear number one in my mind. Shorty? I agree. I agree with the Smart Jose. It's, dude, Jones doing everything.

he's done already, now beating literally the scariest person in the world right now in Francis and Gounder, the heavyweight champ, yeah, no, that would make him the best by far. I think Jones beating Francis is a bigger deal than GSP by beating Michael Bisman. Just my two cents, though. Shaheen and Chuck, former colleagues, of course, Shaheen, Al-Shodding, and Chuck Mendenhall, said John Jones should make his contract negotiations with the France to fight public via Twitter, whilst D.C. and Hawan believe it would be a very bad idea for him to do that. What are your guy's opinions?

Well, making it public would probably be better for fighters because it would put it all out there to show how the UFC views their fighters. Well, if they do it privately, it would probably be better for John Jones because they could come to an agreement away from the spotlight, which I'm sure the UFC would want. But Shorty, what's better?

airing it out publicly or keeping it private? I'm a team player, so I say publicly because us fighters, even myself in general, need to know how to negotiate, need to know what to look forward to, especially if you're outside the UOC trying to make it in and you have a resume to know, man, this is probably at least, I might not be at that level, but this is something I can work towards to and grow with that. If you make it private, it's like the whole Mazurro thing is you're not really helping anybody. You're just helping yourself.

Dana White wants everything private and he knows how to make a lot of money. So making it private makes more money for Dana White. So make it public. Fighters make it public. But everyone needs to make it public for everyone. Thank you for the questions. N.A. MMG 2K.20. He also says he agrees with Casey and Katie have an AK.

Cool. Miss that one. Oh, okay. You saw Cool, Jose. I'm sorry. Robertson. Gillian? Yeah.

Yeah. She's her. You trained her for her, right? Yeah. Did you watch the fight? Sadly. Sadly. Yeah.

Yeah. No, yeah, I'm sadly teammates with her, but yes. Oh, that's sad. Sorry. No, I thought she fought me. It was a good fight. You know, unfortunately she lost for her for you. But what did you think of the second round?

Two judges gave that round to Miranda. And I thought that was ludicrous. Against Miranda Maverick, this last one. Yeah. That's sorry. That's what me and AK were debating over the second round of that card. Yeah, I thought that was one-one. Immediately leaned into the third round.

Again, Jilline. held the back pretty much the entire round. I think it was at least three and a half minutes. At least, yeah. And then, you know, she stood up and, yeah, she had a small rally at the end, but that's the bad thing. It's kind of like what they tell people in boxing,

hold off until the last 30 seconds and throw a rally because then now you're going to win the round. That's the last thing the judges, remember. It sucks, and these might be more boxing judges than MMA judges, but that just shows the quality of people in Vegas right now because we've seen some really scandalous scorecards the past few UFC cards during this whole pandemic. So it's a bunch of crab, but again, it is what it is.

Miranda Maverick was able to get for sure two rounds out of the three. I mean, I thought Miranda won the fight, but we were talking to that second round in particular, how like two judges didn't give that to Gillian somehow. I'm like, what? But if you're wondering with that. Yeah, I think Gillian in the fight too, she was just like watching the scorecard. Like 30. Yeah, that's all.

Cool, cool. Hold on. Let's play the going home music. Going home music shorty. Thank you so much for joining us. This was his first A-Side in 2021 case. Oh. I just don't have my crystals.

And this has been like, what, a two-year thing? Okay. Jessica, Crystal Crew, if you're watching, because you're always watching. Message, Shorty, figure out how to get in some crystals. This is an important. Forget everything else you got going on in your life. Prioritize this, send sort of some crystals. You can place that chain with a crystal chain anyway.

Shorty, what do you got to say before we sign you off? I appreciate it, guys. Thank you for all love and support, and that's why I say we can. We will. Together, we are Team Shorty. For people who check out my Instagram, Jose Shorty Torres,

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and off the streets while they're donating gears, sponsoring fighters, and just giving them an opportunity to find male father figures, mother figures, mentors and positive role models guys i appreciate love support and again team shorthy thank you so much guys we will 100% have you back on hopefully you get back to the u.s safely Casey what do you got to say

good luck with your vaccine I was going to my um balloon I had balloon time balloon happy second COVID vaccine for Casey we'll be back tomorrow and you can watch you guys want to watch a murder you can watch me versus Jen miss you of between the lakes. See you then. Oh, oh. I thought you're going to say me devouring my food. There you go.

There you go, Shorty. Justin Crystal Cruz is on the game. Boom. When you guys figure out, figure out what Crystal C needs first because it's got to be specific. Brian Keller is all about the Tiger's Eye. If you want the Tigers Eye show,

you can join the team, but you got to tweet about it all the time during fights. What? We're out. See you next Wednesday. Peace. I miss you guys. listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.