MMA Fighting - The A-Side Live Chat: Jon Jones vacates title, Daniel Cormier retires, Stipe Miocic’s legacy, more

Episode Date: August 19, 2020

For this episode, José Youngs, Alex Savas, and E. Casey Leydon react to some of the biggest stories in MMA. Some topics include Jon Jones vacating his UFC light heavyweight championship, Daniel Cormier announcing his retirement, Stipe Miocic’s next fight, and the future of the light heavyweight and heavyweight divisions. Also on tap, the three will look back at UFC 252, headlined by Miocic’s win over Cormier and Marlon Vera’s TKO win over Sean O’Malley, and more. Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow E. Casey Leydon : @ekc Follow Alex Savas: @AlexSavas Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. We're live, pal. We're live, pal. Welcome everyone to another edition of the Aisite Live chat on enemy fighting.com. I am, of course, Jose Young's with me is my partner, crime. I don't know what she is on my screen compared to yours. Alex Savage, Alex, as we like to call her. Why does it not say cool Alex this week, Casey?

Oh, hold on. On her lower third. Oh, geez, here we go. Look. Hey, happy? See, now it's official. Sorry, Kaylee. you're still other allies.

But, and then Casey Lidon, of course, on the ones and twos behind the scenes. As you can see, I'm sitting outside, which means I am definitely not in Arizona. I am all the way across the country in the beautifully overcast 80-degree Rhode Island. Phenomenal. I got the ocean breeze. I got some, my old neighbors apparently growing pumpkins next door. So I got a bunch of pumpkin patch going on over here. So 10-0-tank time all around.

But you guys don't want to care about. You guys don't care. about Rhode Island. You guys want to talk about the Colomari, I bet. I know can us. But you guys know the drill. Podcasts, you're all pod. Like your question on Twitter.

I. YouTube comments. Casey's Manning at all. It's probably a lot to talk about. There's been a lot of happenings in the heavyweight and light heavyweight division. Probably get some questions about, hopefully we have some questions about this weekend's card. But you never know. We have not screen these. I don't know if Casey has.

I'm sure he has. But without further to do, Casey, what is our first question? First question. Frankie from Trumbo on the site. Does Frankie have anything left to make it run at 135 for the first time in his career will be at speed disadvantage against the young guns of 135? So yes, Frankie Edgar, I assume that's who they are referring to, is former lightweight champion for UFC featherweight title contender.

He came up short twice at featherweight. Was the champion in lightweight for a very long time? Lost it to Benson Anderson on two questionable decisions. he is dropping down to 135 a feat that I thought he could have done years ago, but he was doing it in the year 2020. It's been a long time coming, specifically for his fight against Panger Bunoz. I feel like it's been booked and rebooked and booked several times during this pandemic. So Casey, I'm going to start with you because you've been covering Frankie Edgar for a very long time. Pretty sure you were at his fight in Tokyo, if I'm not mistaken.

I was when he won his when he beat BJ Penn and Abu Dhabi. The original Fight Island. The original Fight Island. And then eventually he lost it to Benson Henderson in Tokyo. Or they fought in Tokyo in Denver. I don't remember which one came first. But we also did like a little walk and talk with him after Hurricane Sandy, if I'm not mistaken. So to answer Trumbo's question, does he have anything left to make a run at Bantamweight after two careers at Lightweight and Featherweight?

He's going to be a very, he's going to be, he's a top level. I believe he's going to be a very good bantam weight. Now make a run, he is jumping into the men's bantam weight division when I, honestly, I think it's never been better in the UFC. So, like, he, like, it's kind of weird of all the times to jump into the 35 division. This is like the one time, the UFC actually probably doesn't need him. Because there's so many, there's so much good talent and it's so deep right now. But that's just the way timing works. And I think this is a good fight for him against Munoz.

Originally he was booked against Sanhagen, correct? Yes, in January. But then they pulled him to get one last fight against zombie at Featherweight. Yeah, so. Which you lost by knockout. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. But make a run, yeah, we're going to find out.

We'll know by Saturday evening. Well, I think you said it best. I think the addition of Frank Yeager creates a little more issues with the division because he's a big name. And if he beats Pedro Munoz, who has a win over, Cody Garbrandt, the last man that beat him was Al Jemling, who was a rightful number one contender. Like, Frank Yeager has a lot of fun matchups. Don't think they need him.

But Alex, that's you. as someone who enjoys someone else on the site. We've never seen Frankie Edgar sucked out. We've never seen him dehydrated because he didn't cut any weight at lightweight. He barely cut it any way to featherweight. And now we're going to see a

emaciated Frankie Edgar on the scale. What are you expecting in terms of how his skill set and physical tools will translate it to a smaller division? I don't think we're going to see much of a problem. I mean, it's not, obviously, he's probably been thinking about this for a long time

and he wouldn't do it if he couldn't make it. Yeah, I agree with everything that Casey's saying, like, do I think he can make a run for the title? No, only because I don't think he's going to have to make a run. Like you said, he's a big name. I might not have to go through the rankings to get that shot. But I don't know. I mean, yeah, like you said,

I think we're going to know a lot more after Saturday after we see him, you know, in the Bantamweight Division for the first time. But I don't think I see him as a champ in the division. It's just it's such a deep division right now. I just don't see that happening. Honestly, I just want to see matchups at this point. Like I really want to see him fight Dominic Cruz really, really badly. Obviously, he's not going to get a third shot at Aldo.

I doubt he's going to rematch your eye favor. But there's fun fights for him to take. Wouldn't that be just horribly cruel? Somehow he has to fight Otto again at 35? That'll be just, that's just cruel. I don't think he'll fight Malamarais, considering their former teammates, but there's fun fights. So many fun fights for Frankie at 35.

Let's just hope he's just, you know, doesn't get hit too hard. And you know what I mean? Like it just because, you know, he's a guy that gets hit a lot, and he's been in this game for a while. And historically, when the guys get older, they don't get smaller. You know, they go up and weight. And, you know, but this is, but do you think, actually, I never really thought about it,

but do you think the UFC is really waiting for the results of this fight to decide if Jan and Aljo is going to happen? Do you think, I'd say, if Frankie just steamrolls, Munoz, like, he can leapfrog everyone. Do you think the UFC's really holding out for that?

I hope not. I hope not, too. I had not thought about it. I hadn't thought about it until right. Oh, we lost anything as possible. Oh, was that? Anything as possible. By God, I hope not.

Alex, did Jose go out for you? Was that just me? Yeah, yeah. Uh-oh. He did. Oh, I heard you guys the whole time. No, you did one of those things where you were just talking about Kalamari in Rhode Island. He froze for five seconds and then ended with going Frank Yeager.

So. Frank Yager, don't eat too much Kalamari or you won't make weight. There you go. That's my Kalamari talk for the day. Anyway, but I want to see him. I am super, super intrigued to see him on the scale. Like we've said before, Frankie has always been undersized. I still think there are bannamates bigger than him.

Like Alizermaine Sterling is a huge. huge bannam weight. Corey Sandhagen is a huge ban on way. So even at 135, I still think there's going to be a significant reach disadvantage for him. And remember someone said he can make 125? Don't want to see that. I want to see him on the scale first. But yeah, I'm I'm hyper-sighted despite. Yeah, I don't want to see him at 125. He could probably make 125 just not maybe completely healthy. But I don't think anyone makes 125 healthy anymore considering how big all those guys are. Yeah. I'm actually that I'm excited for the um that one fight on this fight card the ufc fight card this saturday

anyway thank you the question promo a long time commenting from zikouko keghi on the site after daniel korme said he couldn't see out of his left eye why wasn't the doctor called in to check on him a fighter saying should raise a red flag a hundred percent i said this one the fight was happening and told my girlfriend who was watching it they're like why don't they stop the fight i'm like hey i like you're asking the right questions you don't even watch fights and that's the first thing that comes to your mind. Remember when, who was, was a Roman Salazar when he fought Kid Yamamoto in L.A.?

On that UFC 184, same thing. He got poked in the eye and they said, can you see? They said, no, that was a wrap. They stopped the fight right there. So you are not wrong. Zakuoka, but Alex, what did you think when you heard Daniel Carmier say couldn't see in a title fight against arguably the greatest heavyweight of all time? Well, actually, so my power is out during this, so I didn't hear when this happened. PJ was watching on his phone, like in the corner and I was just trying to keep like checking the lights and stuff but um no so so he said it during the fight is what you're saying like in this corner yeah okay there's there's there's some context missing in this question it's very important go ahead now when danian cormay said okay

daniel cornea actually said during the fight during the end of the third round is that when yeah i think i can't remember the exact time it was yeah it was the end of a round but it was right right at the end of the third round he got a significant i poke obviously i poke that tore his cornea he had to go immediately to the hospital after the, huh? Yeah, he had to go to... He got stabbed in the eye. And he signaled to the ref is like, hey, ref, my eyeballs is, like, poked in. And basically, ref Goddard just didn't believe him.

He said, no, you got punched in the eye. It turned out that was false. He really did get poked in the eye. So basically, from that point on, it's a legal injury. As far as technical aspect, like, it's... It's the punch from the judging from the refs, your eye is split in half right now because of a punch, not because of a finger went through it.

So when he went to his corner and said, I can't see, he wasn't telling the commission or the, or the doctors that he was just telling his coaches that. Now, what I think, and this is totally my speculation, Daniel Cormey knew he got poked in eye. He knew it wasn't a punch. When he's saying that, he is really telling the audience, He's really telling everyone at home, I can't see.

You know, he wants us to know that, okay, guys, I'm going to go out there, but I'm fighting on one eye. This is, no, this is bullshit, but I'm fighting of one eye. And that's, because Daniel Cormorner, he's a veteran. Every, every, you've heard it. If you never said, you never, if a guy can't see, they never tell the ref, I can't see, you know, even though they probably can't see, you know. So by Dan Cormand, actually saying that out loud with a camera in front. of him. He knew there's a camera in front of him. He knew he's on the broadcast. He knew there's not a giant crowd drowning the noise out. I mean, to me, that was just a bit of a cry for help. You know,

just go, hey guys. And what about someone more experienced? Diego Sanchez did the same thing. He's like, I can't see. I can't see. I can't fight. He's, he basically stopped that fight himself when he told the repress. So I agree. I still think there's, if you can't see him, Diego, like, when we had this conversation on the A side, do you fault Diego Sanchez for that? I don't, couldn't see how to fight. He was being honest. And they stopped the fight and he got the W. But I don't think a champion wants to win a belt like that.

But Diego was telling the doctor that. Dan Cormé was telling his coaches that. That's the thing. But he was telling his coaches while the camera was on him, knowing that the camera, he didn't whisper, hey, Bob, my eyes hurt, you know. He said it so we can all hear. And I think that's very smart by D.C.,

because I think he wants the history books to know that he fought those last two rounds, no, one eye. And I'm sure in a lot of pain. It's not like your eye just goes out. It's just like, I don't even know what type of pain that is. I can't even imagine what the next day was after the adrenaline wore off and his eye was closed and it's swollen shut. Like, it's got to be the most brutal feeling in the world.

See, I'm like, yeah, so I got a comment. It says, no, on the YouTube. It says, no, Casey, you're wrong. He was talking to his corner, not the audience. No, D.C. was talking to you at home. Like I said, he could have whispered to Bob. You see that all the time. Like when guys, like when they say their knees hurt to the corner,

and then the people at home text to other, they text, you know, their friends are going, they text to other, their opponent's corner going, hey, you know, do you know your opponent's knees hurt? Usually they don't get it in time, but you've heard that all the time. DC said something so significant right there, like out loud with a camera right in front of him, he knowing that we are going to hear it. so yeah yeah i think dc was just still really upset that goddard didn't believe him and um yeah it's um that's why but going to make to the question that's why the fight wasn't stopped right then

because there was no doctor in there he was telling the corner so sure anyway good questions kukokey i hope kasey answered it for you sorry yeah i i've been i've been really like bugged about this since the fight you know and i also i will say we don't know like we're all speculating yeah this is i have not i have not what? We have no idea, Daniel Forme did that on purpose because he might have been punched in the head so many times that he wasn't even thinking about a camera. Also, maybe he's just used to talking really loudly between rounds because there's always a crowd there. And now there's no crowd. He's still just talking loudly. Like, there's all speculation. We don't know exactly what was going through his head. As bees swarm around me on the flower bed.

From EKC, what is your favorite Kalimar experience, Jose? Okay, we'll talk about it. it. I didn't watch the video, but enough people text me. My people tweeted at me. Enough people sent this everything about this at me. Representative McNamara of Rhode Island. What was it like the roll call or whatever it was at the DNC? He's in

charge of the Democratic Committee here in Rhode Island. He's also the representative of my home city of Warwick. I've seen this guy a million times growing up. He decided it was a really good idea to have a chef from Piquis' doughhouse and clams hold a plate of Kalamari like a goon off to the side.

I can assure you, every Rural Island is very embarrassed about this because it just looked dumb, but what they're talking about, that's the only thing that matters. Calamari, as you know, Casey, I don't have to tell you this, is the official state appetizer of Rhode Island. You know who brought that to the house? You guess right. McNamara. McNamara watched that on the record. So Kalamari is the official appetizer of the state of around. Not the official food, that's still Klahawks, which is not a restaurant.

real city. It's based off of the Cranston, Rhode Island for everyone that asked me about that. I think Rhode Island has like $19 million a year in like importing exporting of squid and has the biggest squid fleet, fishing fleet in the country. So he wanted that to be recognized.

And for whatever reason, he thought standing in Oakland Beach with a plate of Calamari was the right thing to do. Oakland Beach also sucks. I'm not going to lie. Like you guys like the beach, right? I'm sure you guys don't like stepping on in like syringes and broken glass and stuff like that. If you do like it,

Oakland Beach, why he chose that spot is beyond me, but that was a very bizarre scene for me. I hope that you're going to ask you, Casey. So, cool, Alex.

What's your best Kalamari experience? My best Kalamari experience is, if you've never been to South Africa, I highly recommend it. It's the most beautiful place on Earth. It's absolutely surreal. But everything is so cheap down there. So you could get like a calumari dinner with like a glass of wine for like eight.

And you're like right on the beach right by the ocean and the perfect scenery. So that's mine. $8. Kalamari glass of red wine. Casey, do you even eat Kalamari? Of course, yeah, yeah. But what do you mean of course? You don't eat a lot of things that know.

You also drink your soy. Of course. I have to ask you when it comes to food. But all I was there about Kalamari, you use. your Google and look up, I think this American Life did a podcast a few years back about the calamari. You know, but you know about this, Jose. Is it calamari or is it pig anus?

And how basically they taste exactly the same. You can't tell the difference. Yeah, yeah. So, I could tell the difference. Oh, a challenge. I can honestly say, yeah, I have no idea. All right. Well, next week, next week.

Someone talking about it, not eating it. All right, next question. Come on. Next question. Next seafood-related question. Prediction Maria Agapova. This is a good question from Phantamist to stationary. A long-time commenter is his Twitter profile is still Pizzi Carroll holding up with Crystal,

which I'm sure we're going to have a box of goodies out here, Casey. Oh, yeah, yeah. Later on. Later on, whenever we're ready. we'll talk about it apparently i have one waiting for me in arizona i just have i'm just not here at the moment but uh pova is one of the i i don't think she's a future contender yet she's awesome uh i think she's a very exciting fire she is so fun to follow on social media she's like one of the best like she's always trying to uh sell her her paintings and what have

you and she's very interesting person outside of fighting at casey what are your thoughts uh for her this weekend in general. Oh, this weekend, she's fighting Shana Dobson, the three and four Shana Dobson. I think Shannon Dobson is the only below 500 record in the UFC. I would have to think that. Gohanswai, maybe. Oh, Gokensaki.

Yeah, maybe Gokensaki. Okay. But, yeah, no, this should be a nice showcase fight for her. And I don't, I don't really having too many broad predictions. for. I just think she's an exciting fighter and this is a good showcase matchup for her on a fight night card.

I was very disappointed that we didn't get her as the, we didn't get a post-fight scrum with her. The last time she fought, she beat Hannah Seifers by submission on the I-Calveal card and got performance in the night. I was very much looking forward to her. She reminds me of a way her, when she talks

and the way she uses her social media is reminds me of a young Yawanna. She's absolute monster inside the octagon. She lost to Tracy Cortez on the contender series. Lost Farran Square. I don't think it was the best fight in the world. I think eventually if they run that back further down the road,

it could be completely different. Was that a 125? Was Tracy Cortez a 25er? I think she is. I think she is a 125ers. I think the Hannah Seifers fight was just a short-notice fight, so it might have banned 125. Oh, okay, I got you.

Yeah, yeah. I think you're right, too, yeah. I think suckers went up in wait to take that fight. But don't call me on that. But she lost to Tracy and then got a submission to TKO win and Invicta. So the problem is, well, not the good thing is 125 is so shit that she could maybe hopefully not get skyrocketed up too quickly. But Alex, your thoughts on an emerging female talent at 125. Yeah, unfortunately.

I mean, the problem when you get such a quick submission or a quick finish is we didn't get to see a lot of her fights. And I haven't watched her before she got into the UFC. So we haven't seen that much of her. But what we do know about her is that, yeah, like you said, she's an absolute monster. So I'm looking forward to maybe getting some more time with her, more camera time, see what she's capable of.

I think she's a fighter that the UFC is going to try and push very well. She's like I said, go follow her on Instagram and stuff. It's either her training, her taking selfies with all of her teammates or her trying to sell her paintings. And they're all like a little squared. paintings that I really wanted to talk to her about because anytime someone has a exciting talent, you know I'm all about it. But and we got a question about it, which is like another, like who, how many questions

do we get about that flyweight besides Valentina? We didn't get any questions about Jennifer Maya and Maria Agapult. We got a question about Maria Agapult. I didn't even know she was a flyweight. I just found out. I like her a lot. I think she's getting, she's very, I have an interviewer one-on-one, but I think she's, she would if Mike heck from what the heck, get her on the head.

Get her on the show. She'll be fun. Oh, yeah. Oh, her personality is awesome. And her English is... English? It's good, yeah, yeah. Does she train now?

Was it Kazakhstan? I think she's at ATT. Oh, no, you're right, you're right. She's from Kazakhstan, but now she's living in training in Florida, I think. At least for her training camp. Yeah, I think so. Cool. Why is Casey's doing the show?

He's terrible. Blah, blah, blah. I think Maria Agapos is like that. I think Maria Agapult is like 21 or 22, something like that. So she's a super bright future going forward. Cool. All right. Do, do, do.

Ooh, from at the C-side on Twitter. Who has a better comeback? Lionaut Smith or Lawler from hashtag the 8th. Why did you tag Anthony Smith, but then not tag Robbie Lawler? Why did you tag either, anyway? Come back, meet Ray. Comeback? uh i assume so k c you've covered both you've covered anthony smith when he was a bellator

cat i don't want i don't use this term lightly but he was a beltor cast off and they went and fought a bunch of regional got ufc and then they fought for john john john so better career comeback anthony smith or ravi lawler i have an answer but what is yours so uh lawler is coming back to face magni correct and uh is that official i is it back to his career comeback is it's just career comeback, like from where they were at one point in their career or where they're bouncing back after a lot? Oh, is that what we're talking about? Oh, okay.

Oh, if you're talking about career-wise, oh, Lionheart Smith, he has one of the most incredible career comebacks. He was, he was, like, because he was, like, he was, he was a mid-level middleweight at best, like, a C-plus, you know, B-minus level middleweight. And then he got sent back to the regionals. he lost fights in the regional it wasn't like he got like one you know he wanted this great run and like just the midwest circuit um he actually got his first back back he lost got a couple wins back then all of a suddenly like he's like he's a legit a level a level two of five or well

yeah i'll be nice a level two o fiveer now he's coming back to a super tough fight against um uh rackic which uh i was like man ufc is not being kind of me i think so i think rackic is uh I think actually he is a future title contender. Actually, behind Yeri, I think he's my second biggest prospect. Well, I won't call Yerrera prospect, but he's my second biggest guy to look forward to as far as future title contenders at 205. But, no, I think Anthony Lionheart Smith's career comeback outweighs Lawler. He's bigger. Alex?

I agree, 100% with Casey, yep. I mean, I'm a little biased. I'm a huge Anthony Smith fan. But what he has done, I'm not going to repeat everything that you just said. I mean, I think it just speaks for itself, yeah. I'll play devil's advocate. I'll say Robbie Lawler, because Robbie Lollah actually won a UFC championship in a new division that he wasn't in in Strike Force.

Robbie Lollah was a middleweight. You talk about middling middleweight. What was, like, did Robbie Lala have a winning record in Strike Force at middleweight? I don't think so. If it was, it was right there. Like he lost at Kennedy, Jake Shields, Babelieu, and then he has like that epic win over, like, Scott Smith. and maybe. Scott Smith was Elite XC maybe.

Yeah, the Lanky was that epic. We're talking about comebacks, like in a fight. Like, Robbie Lawler's K-O over Melvin Manhoof is one of the craziest knockouts I've ever seen in my entire life after you get into the soul beating out of his legs. And then comes back, rattles off a couple wins, and then gets thrown into a vacant title fight against Johnny Hendrix and back-to-back fight of the years.

I'll say Robbie Loller because he won a championship. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's... And I remember Robbie Loller trained at Power M.A. and Arizona for a while. And when he would train, on case, I'm sure you heard the stories of Robbie Lawler would, he wasn't really, his head wasn't into MMA for a little bit.

He would just show up in Shadowbox for an hour and leave. He wouldn't do much else. And they went to ATT and, like, reinvented himself at Welterway. So, yeah, I'll say Robbie Lawler. But it's really hard. Everything you guys said, like, especially because Anthony Smith lost on the regional scene before making the comeback, that's huge. But I'll play dope a happy to say Robbie Lawley.

There was a point before Anthony even made it to any big organization where he was actually below 500. I think at some point he was a six and seven fighter on the on the on the on the Midwest regional MMA scene where most cars are like literally in the back of like intense in the back of parking lots at that time especially. So yeah, I think you just have to love fighting at that point. Yeah. I love though.

I really enjoy both those guys and for complete different reasons. But. I have a good little Robbie Lawler story though. When he fought Melvin, sorry, when he fought Melvin Manhuff, because you're mentioning that fight. So me and Ariel Hawani were backstage waiting to interview him after that fight. And he comes in, you know, he comes around the corner. They bring him to our little area. We can interview him as a one-on-one.

And he's limping over. And we asked him, it's like, oh, hey, Rob, do you want to sit down for this? And he's like, no, no, no. So we do the interview. Robbie says this thing and everything. And as soon as we stopped recording, Robbie is like, give me that chair. He just, he just like basically almost collapses.

And he was just in so much pain. But like, he was such like a fucking man. Like, he was like, no, he didn't show anything. So that fight against Roy McDonald's, which many people considered the greatest fight in the history of the UFC. The next day, he went and sat Oktagon side to watch his teammates at the ultimate fight finale.

His face was all stitched stuff. He had ice all over him. And he still, now when you sit there, he went and did an interview backstage, and his lit was still, like, splitting open on the broadcast while I was talking.

So, yeah, Robbie Lawler's cut from a different cloth. Yeah. Than most of him. Yeah. That's both of them are. And I,

and at the time, I thought, like, oh, his legs must be bruised up or whatever. But then it turns out, no, Robbie's like, he,

like, those kicks that he took from Melvinvinner for so hard, like, they literally just tore the ligaments and it's like, like, just from the impact. Have you seen that fight out? No. You know what?

The whole fight is on YouTube just because it's so, it's like it's a one-round fight. We're talking about, that was a one-round fight, right? I'm pretty confident in it. Yeah. We had this conversation

like Graves one-round fights. None of us mentioned that. That's way up there for me. Basically, Melvin Man who uses Robbie Lawler's shins as a football and he just punts them into the upper deck for about three minutes

before Robbie Loller lands one punch that just deads Melvin Man. You know, top, top seven knockouts I've ever seen. I think of just terms of excitement. Not terms of like the stakes or anything, but in terms of just craziness, top five or seven. Yeah. Anyway, thank you for. Yeah, it's up there where it reminds me, it's similar to the Pete Sell Scott Smith knockout.

We're like, this guy's done. And Melvin Menhubbs is just going in for the kill at that point. And it's just, all you weirdos at home listening in your car and podcasts, Turn this off and go log in the YouTube and Google that fight. Finish the podcast and then go watch it. Yeah, yeah. There you go. Sam Harris 999 on Twitter.

Anderson versus Hall predictions. Well, let me correct you there. It's Hall versus Silver. Uriah Hall is ranked. Anderson. Okay, wait. Use both their last day. That's weird.

Okay. Anderson. It's Hall versus Silva or Uriah versus Anderson. But who uses Anderson? like just saying it's still yeah anyway uh yeah anderson silver is supposedly coming back to face your eye hall they were previously booked i want to say ucccdn.d.m.d.m.catea borgiaeba right was in curate tba anderson silver had rodent's gallbladder surgery like the week of the fight so that was scrapped which is just how which is just the narrative of your eye haul's career every big name fight he gets is

scrapped at the last a minute just happened again to him with yola romero now he gets the Anderson Silva fight. Alex, what are you expecting in this fight? I'm going to pick Hall to win this. I think that guy's just like a tough son of a bitch. I mean, you look at like his losses too. Like his record's not amazing. But the losses he has are against like the best. You know, Brunson, Whitaker, Costa. I mean, and then you look at Anderson Silver recently. And unfortunately, you know, you can't keep up that sort of greatest of all time forever, unfortunately. I would have to favor your eye haul, especially if, well, this is fine. rounds if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah, I think it's going to be a main event for a fight night. Yeah. Yeah, man, that's tough. Anderson is Anderson. This is going to be, I think it's going to be a lot of staring at each other. No. I hope so. It's going to be a lot of staring.

Because Uriah, I like Uriah all as like a fighter. He's getting better interviews after his like seven or eight years of hating the media. I feel like he fights too much on instinct, looking for that one big shot rather than like put together a game plan and go out there and implement it. That's why I was so curious about him fighting Jacques or him fighting Yoel, especially because he's at Ford's S MMA where he's looked better than ever. This is like the new and improved Uriah Hall. I favor him.

I just feel like it's going to be a lot of like, no, you throw, no, you throw, no you throw, no you throw. A lot of faints, but not as exciting as till Wicker, I think. Because that just felt like a, like that was just boiling at that point. It was like a pressure-filled fight. Anyway, Casey, what do you think? The crazy part, Anderson is going to be 45, I think 40, yeah, he'll be 45. He's the oldest fighter in the rock. 45 years old and you're fighting Uriah Hall.

And to me, the crazy part is like, we're kind of even debating this. We're like, well, you know, I think this could happen, this guy, but we're not going, oh, this 45-year-old man's going to get stopped. No, we go, oh, I could go, you know, I'm picking Hall, but I can see it going other way, you know. So I just think just the fact that he's a 45-year-old man in the cage of Uriah Hall and we're still, we're still calling this a guy. competitive fight is incredible for Anderson Silva. But, man, but is this going to be the one fight where we see Anderson Silva, and Anderson Silva straight up just, like, deaded, like, like, Wydenman did to him, you know? Because we have, has he been really, since that, it's even really just hit hard where he's just

been on the ground, like, ugh. I mean, he's been wobbled, but he's not been like, he's not been like, he's got wobbled. He's been wobbled against Bisbing. Got a little wobbled against Izzy, but not, not like, falling on the ground. Yeah, like, we're like, oh, man. Yeah. Like, where he's, they're all survival instincts.

But, yeah, I'm just, I don't, I'm a weirdo. I'll go and say it. I wanted to see Anderson Silva versus Connor McGregor. That's just a stupid, that's just a stupid fight. We're in a stupid sport. Let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, catch weight 180, I don't care. Um, a fight that doesn't mean anything except paychecks for both guys.

And, um, um, I think that does, I think that's more interesting than him versus Hall, but good for your eye hall. Yeah, good for your eye at all. Also, I still, I would favor your eye haul in this. I don't know if he gets deaded, but I want, the new and improved your eye hall, maybe. Who was the last fight? It was a split, right? Your right haul? Yeah, was that to shoot face?

It might have been split, but I'm pretty sure that was a bad split. I'm pretty sure it was We all kind of came out going, oh, Uriahaw, that was probably one of the best Uriahawls we've seen. Well, I think the fight before that when he deaded Bevin Lewis, that was the best one we've, that was one of the best Uriahalls we've ever seen. Oh, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, yeah.

I guess against a better name opponent in a sense of Carlos Jr. Wow, I mean, he's spinning back at Gaghan Musassi. Yeah, but yeah, Masasi got that one back real good, too. Hey, man, it's MMA. too, too. So, yeah. So to answer your question, we are excited about that fight. And, man, but imagine, seriously, if, imagine if Anderson wins, that's, actually, that's kind of the weird part. If Anderson actually wins that fight, that means he's going to get a tougher opponent next, and he's going to be 46. He has two fights left on his contract, and I think he's going to wrap it up after that. We're going to see, we're going to see Anderson versus Mike Tyson at some point. Something weird like that. fight Roy Jones. They've been talking about it for like 15 years.

You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, or Roy Jones. Yeah, that's even more obvious. That was the real possible for a fight. If that happened 10 years ago, that's massive. Anyway, thank you for the question, Sam Harris. Do, do, do, do. Two questions from Nathan Timlin on Twitter. With John Jones at Heavyweight, do you see D.C. coming out of retirement and fighting the winner of Reyes v. Yon? And Sue, do you believe that this is the fight? final time we see John Jones fight.

What? At light heavyweight? Well, okay, to put that and to put this question into context, Daniel Corme has retired, as he said, after losing to Steepamioches, the UFC 255, which wrapped up that trilogy. John Jones, the day Daniel Cormeier posted

that Instagram, Alex is shaking her head, posted that thing. John Jones comes out and says, vacated in the title, gonna go to heavyway, see champions in my future, I think he even said something like if any light heavyweight defense the title wins in defense the title six times. I'll donate 100K to the charity of your choice, this and that.

Alex, you were shaking your head. So to answer both these questions, what do you make of John Jones vacating the title going up to heavyweight? And now Dominic Gray's and Jan Blahovic are allegedly fighting for the now vacant title. I guess I just, I feel like it's a cowardly thing to do to vacate the title and not retire. If you were going to retire and vacate, I totally get it. You're done. You're done when you're done and you make that call. But to say that you're going to forget the light heavyweight title and just move up to heavyweight, like why? I guess I just don't understand the purpose.

Why not defend it again? Because you're afraid to lose it. Like, you want to go out on top by vacating. Like, to me, it's just a selfish thing to do. I just think it doesn't really make any sense. To me, I wouldn't do it that way, but I'm not John Jones. I don't anticipate to fight him at heavyweight. That seems a little too far-fetched for me, even in the UFC.

but I guess never say never. Yeah, seriously. If John Jones wins the heavyweight championship of the world, I would imagine they would probably at least have a conversation with Daniel Cormney. Whether Daniel Cormer does it is another conversation. But Casey, what do you make of this whole John Jones vacating moving up? It's weird. It's just weird.

It's just weird, especially vacating, because, yeah, I don't understand why you couldn't just keep the belt and do the whole two-bells. thing because the UFC loves pushing the whole two belt thing. The only reason why, the only reason I think that may, that may have been impossible is because, like Daniel Korme has said in the past, the UFC just does not trust John Jones. And can you imagine what kind of insane negotiating power and leverage that John Jones would have if he had two belts that he controlled two weight classes? Oh, God. So maybe that was just like this crazy line in the sand that you UFC was like, no, you cannot have two belts.

You can have one, but you have to give it up, you know, go to another weight class. But that's a lot of speculation. I'm just kind of growing my past experiences that these John Jones and the UFC has had. But yeah, good luck to John. I don't, I don't, I think he's, I think he's a perfect tool. I think his build is perfect for two of five. And, yeah, I, yeah, I. I don't think it's a great idea.

Man, but I want to see, I want to see, I want to see Steve A. John. I want to see Nengano John, but I don't want, but I don't want John Jones to leapfrog Nengon. Oh, shoot, I got Inganu. Francis Inganu. Yeah. Yeah. He got, he got for that on Twitter. Yeah, yeah.

Which is fine. It was a very polite, it was a very polite, it was a very polite criticisms. Like, oh, it's in, oh, man, I'm saying, you got. Inganu. Okay, not Ninggonu. Hang on him. Hang on. Okay.

I will say this. I'll add to the overarching narrative of this. John Jones did immediately see he was going on a heavyweight. He vacated and said maybe I'll be back later if the UFC and I can come to some sort of agreement. Like 20, 30 minutes later, he's like, just going off the phone with the UFC. We talked about going to heavyweight. It looks like that's the future for me. So initially he just retired or went on a hiatus.

And then 30 minutes later, apparently got off the phone with the UFC. I think Casey is right with the UFC just didn't want him to have two belts, especially because John Jones is a fighter, is a fighter that he puts so much planning into his fights and moves. I don't think he just wanted to be a blown up light heavyweight. I think he's going to put on a lot of muscle going to heavyweight. And I don't think he wants to put on a lot of muscle and then lose it and then put on a lot of muscle and then he could. I don't know.

This is all just for me. speculating but yeah I think the UFC is happy that he's actually going a heavy way because Dana White seemed very intrigued by it but I want to see the Reyes as rematch I really did but we'll probably Oh man But you know that we've seen John Jones

When he puts on a lot of weight that's what he said That's why he said he had such a lackless of performance Against OSP Like a more bulkier John Jones Isn't a better John Jones Like so That's why I've always I'm really surprised To be honest

close to fight Daniel Cormey at UFC 196, right? Not 196, 195. I think that was the original plan. And then OSP slid in. This was John Jones return fight. Yeah. It bulked up. Also fought a Southpaw, which John Jones is not too well against Southpaws.

Never takes short-noticed fights. And I think that was just, hey, after all this trouble I've caused all, I won't, I won't say no to this fight because he knew he could beat OSP. but I think that was a lot of things going into that fight that John Jones didn't have the best performance of his career. John Jones did give the finger to D.C. when you left the cage. So always a good promoter, John Joneses. Man, but yeah, but as much as I don't like John going to heavyweight, but then I go, man, Ben Rothwell versus John Jones, that sounds cool. just like just random fights

kind of like why I like Anderson Silva versus Connor I just want these fights to happen but like I just know that these are very expensive fights for them to happen so yeah like Alexioletic versus John Jones for Doom or for Doom's not anymore

but like JDA or like what about Overeign versus John Jones I will watch that every single weekend like after Overeign was calling about calling out John Jones 10 years ago like I'm 100% in for that fight Curtis Blades Derek Lewis Like there's more fun fights at heavyweight, but I still selfishly, I think I want to see that Reyes rematch first before he bumps up to heavyweight.

Yeah. Do no matter the outcome of Reyes, Blahavich, Bajseidz, Bhovich, jeez, Blahovitch, I feel like no matter what happens, whoever wins that, John's going to hold it above them. They're like, whoa, whatever, guys, I'm still the champ, even though you have the belt. I feel like they're not going to consider a legitimate, they're going to be considered paper champions for a long time. Like when Connor was holding the belt hostage for so long. Yeah. And then you're not wrong, but.

Yeah. That's not fighting. Yeah. Over either of those. I would, like, in my mind, John Jones would still be the light heavyweight champion because he never lost. Technically. But that's another argument.

Technically. That's so annoying. I'm so annoyed by it. He's just thinking about. I got it. Like stewing, like, because that's such a John Jones move, like, want to do it as we're all talking about DC's retirement, in quotation. But that's something none of us talks about. Like, he announced all this the day, Daniel Cormey put out that statement.

Like, Daniel Corbyn requires that John Jones is like, go to heavyweight. It reminds me, as I know, you guys love baseball. You guys love talking about baseball. When Alex Rodriguez announced his, so in baseball, you have the opt-out clause where after, like, X amount of years, if you add it to your contract, you can opt out and get a bigger, and look for a bigger contract. Alice Sardriguez at the time had the highest contracts in history of baseball decided to announce he was opting out the bottom in the last inning of the race at the Red So while the Red Sox are winning the World Series everyone's like hey Aaron's a free agent It reminds me of that But and then he ended up getting a bigger contract and then he got popped for all kinds of steroids. So and then he married Jennifer Lopez like life is Are they still just dating? Oh, I don't know. I guess technically I don't know.

But either way, he lives with J-Lo. Could be worse. He's very good at commenting on baseball. And I would say this, waiting for tonight by J-Lo, still a jam. Still a jam. Next time you're in the gym,

hitting the weights, getting those gains, Jose, play that in your low earpods. You'll be like, yeah. I feel it. Yeah. Cool, Alex gets it. Probably not. No, I have.

agnostic to Jennifer Lopez. I just don't really have anything. Interesting. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. Like most people love her. But she's fine.

I don't have any, I don't wish any ill will or, I can't honestly sit down and think of anything I, any type of media I've absorbed of Jennifer Lopez. Like she's in bad movies. You didn't watch the cell? Was it the cell that she was in? What was that sci-fi movie she was in? I've literally no idea what you're talking about. I don't know.

I wouldn't watch her sci-fi movies, but I watch her rom-coms, obviously. Out of sight is awesome. She was great and out-of-sight. She was at the, when she was at the time dating Ben Affleck, and she went to a Red Sox game and got booed,

I thought that was kind of funny. But that's because Ben Affleck. We don't claim Ben Affleck anymore in Boston. Rude. Why? I think she got booed as because she was in next to Ben Affleck, not because she was in. Oh, okay.

Well, why do you not like Ben Affleck? What's going on? Well, New England is very weird. Okay, that's in the story. In the story. All right. Yeah. New England is very weird in the fact that if someone is from here and they become successful

and leave, we're immediately like, no, not ours. Eat it, nerds. So the fact that they all live in California now and they left the cold, miserable New England winter for the sunny California, apparently doesn't sit right from all people here, especially Mark Wahlberg. I don't know many Bostonians that claim him at all. Actually, we kind of think that dude's kind of an annoying. I can get that.

That makes sense. Yeah, Mike Walberg does suck. And we don't... Pretends he claims Boston, even though he does... It's gone. He doesn't know any of the slang anymore. Anyway, I attack this. Next question.

How about Donnie Walbert? What do you guys think about Donnie? No claim him either. The Walburys in general. They're just goons. Trash. Yeah, 100%. Beat up a Vietnamese man, and now he has a Vietnamese burger on his menu.

I don't got to get into that. I don't thumb. Jay Romero on the site. Or on Twitter. Long time commenting on phenomenal artists. I don't subscribe to the idea that Steve Bay has to beat John Jones before he can be called the baddest man on the planet. But if they eventually fight, and Steve Bay does beat John, does he now become the goat? Does he not just become the heavyweight goat, but an all-time goat?

his resume and then the rest of it's kind of cut off of my screen so but i get the i get the i get the i get the question so Alex uh i don't think you the post fight show when we have this conversation so i don't know your thoughts on where steep stands and the greatest heavyweights of all time but if he fights and beats john does that make him the all time go no fortunately for john jones moving up to heavyweight i think doesn't really affect his stock as much um because it's just going thinking, oh, well, he was a heavyweight and he's naturally a light heavyweight, so it's really not the big of a deal if he loses. You know, like, he's very smart about his moves where he's not going to lose a lot if he goes

to heavy weight. So no, I don't think that Stepey beating him makes him the greatest of all time. Let the record show I don't think that John Jones is the greatest of all time because I think to be the goat, you have to be an all-encompassing great person. And he's kind of disqualified himself from that conversation in my mind. So I think Stipe is the greatest heavyweight of all time right now. I don't think if he meets John Jones, he becomes the greatest of all. all time because he's just he's just not in that caliber in my mind who do you put is the greatest

of all time i'm still kind of on the gsp train yeah i think it's it's gsp john jones even demetre's johnson i'll toss in there i think the only thing the only knock on him is we's there's still that rubber match between so hudo that we never got and gs p he's two and oh yes i agree but like said i got you like when we bring up the fact john jones beat dc watch you're like well well i don't no, man. He has a no contest. Like, no. I'm looking at... Did Demetri Johnson get a win bonus? After beating Haynes Cuno? No. Heine Zahudo took all the big gold belt. So I think that's the only knock on him.

I'd probably slot him third. Oh, I still think Anderson Silver was a top five fighter of all time. Like, his peak was insane. But yeah, I do subscribe to GSP. He was the greatest fighter of all time. I think Stipe... Yeah, it's him or Cain, I think, is the best heavyweight. The peak of of Kane was just something else, man. He was just battering fools. And then Fador, to me, in my mind, is still the greatest heavyweight ever.

Because his run in pride is just banana. Like when he out kicked Croco. And he like outgrapled Noghear and all these guys. And to this day, I've never seen a heavyweight with faster hands in a prime Fadour and pride. To me, it's between Sipa Kane and Fadour.

And I don't think there's a clear frontrunner at this point. In terms of talent, like, overarching legacy and accolades. Like, yes, D-Pay has, like, all the records. In terms of, like, their actual abilities in the Octagon, it's a three-man race, in my opinion. But, hey, if John Jones pulls GSP, wins the title

and then defends it a bunch of times, we could be talking about John Jones to be in the greatest hit. I just want to say, yeah. A lot of fun matchups, a lot of fun matchups. A lot of fun matchups. A lot of fun matchups. All right.

From Joshua Saya, Slayer, underscore, tip on Twitter, what are slash were your favorite rivalries between fighters could include any promotion this is an interesting question oh easily um the nick lends charles olivera trilogy i'm saying i mean that kind of trends ends the sport case so i wasn't even putting it yeah yeah that's like that's a duh what other ones okay yeah yeah i think you see john jones is up there yeah um it's like let's go let's go a little deeper um I think that's a, everyone knows that one, but I think forgotten ones or maybe like Gilbert Benendez, Josh Thompson.

That one rules. That was like the OG lightweight rivalry. Yep. To the point where like, Gilbert Burns left, I'm Gilbert Burns, Gilbert Melendez left, the UFC. I was like, sign the Bellasaur

and get me, give me a fourth fight with Josh Thompson. Like, I wouldn't complain about that at all. Interesting question. You know, great. I like the GSP, Matt Hughes won just because that was a passing of the

Guard trilogy and like now you'd interview like at the time Matt Hughes was the greatest welter mate ever but now you ask him like I've interviewed him about that he goes well he beat me twice like there's really no argument against it so I like that fight in terms of the actual fighting abilities I think a great rivalry that we were robbed

of because of the way promotions work is actually Sehudo DJ. Yes I think that was a great rivalry They could have been like, they could have fought four or five times, I feel like. Yeah. So, yeah. I'm just bummed that didn't happen.

Chandler, Eddie Albert, a good one? Did they fight twice? Eddie Alvarez? They fought twice and the third one Eddie Alvers pulled out with a concussion. Yeah. Yoki Alvarez is a good one. Yep. In the Aoki.

Man, I know I'm forgetting, son. Actually, another one we've been robbed of that we hopefully will get to see a truth. of freaking Connor versus Nate. Like after that second fight happened, I watched her post show after the Connor Nate 2. And the conversation was, when are they going to book the trilogy? When are they going to book trilogy?

Like, Monday, we're going to find out when that next one. Like, it was just so obvious they're going to book the trilogy after a Connor Nate 2 and it just never happened. So, man, it sucks at that. I feel like that move's gone. Shamrock Cortez is a good one. Fador Crow Cop was fun Wow, there's a million

There's so many. Liddell Ortiz is obviously like the original Ronda Misha was really important for the women's Divisions Because I think that really like both women, like and even when both women fought It wasn't a rival, like Misha Tate obviously hated Ronda and vice versa But like they still like you couldn't argue that Misha Tate wasn't the rightful number one contender So they were the two best that hated each other. So I like those type of rivalries.

They're not booking the fight just based on the talk. Like, Shunnen Anderson's a good one. Lesnar, Mere. Yeah, there's a lot. There's a million of them. I still want to see even... Cruz versus Team Alpha male. Yeah.

Man. I know I'm forgetting too many. What are some best, the best female ones? as female rivals. I know you mentioned Ronda. Oh, like once we should have had more of like Cyborg Nunes,

that should be like so up there too but like we didn't get it. You know, we got one, but. I don't think there's a rivalry though.

No, no, I don't think the potential there should have been, it should have been a great trilogy, I feel like.

Yeah. That could have been one of the fights that had like, because it's rare when we get the two, not just best, but they're the two greatest female fighters

ever going back through the animals of top. They're in the same way class. And I think if they fight 10 times, I think it's five and five. I agree. So I think that could be, and they're both from Brazil. So, like, Guillermo interviewed, like, 100 Brazilian fighters or something like that,

and they all picked Cyborg, and now Amanda Nuda is the greatest female firefighter of all time. Cyborg is two. Yeah, I think that could have been a great, like, affidative rivalry. They don't have to hate each other. Like, it just turns out what, like, it's like, So Hudo DJ. I don't care if they don't, if they're all. watch those guys fight in front of nobody and I want to watch it. Yeah, I think of Nunez Cyborg, the first fight.

I think of that as a lot like DC versus Stepe in the first fight. Yeah, if you just ended that fight, if you just end, if Stepe D.C. ends with one fight, you go, oh, clearly DC is the greatest heavy way ever and Stepe sucks. No, man, when the guys are at this level, you got to run it back a few times. And that's why I feel like Cyborg and Nune is this. You run that back 10 times. You get 10 very unique fights, you know.

and that was just we just got one result that night yeah um and still one fight i would book the rematch oh macy barber and page van zant ah the one that the rivalry that never fought that's what i would love to see that so what do you think about uh casey's already all on board when i told when i presented this fight to him it looks like his mind broke for a second because he never it never crossed his mind on the possibilities what so alice what did you say to and you all would say page van zan versus bethko heya oh yeah i know you're we talked about this the last week i think i think i think i watched kacy's mind blow up oh yeah you like stopped it was like oh my god i'm all in i'm all in and the promotion it's just them doing ticot dance videos that's all

They just do dance videos on TikTok. That's the only way they promote the fight. How about Instagram Reels? My God. You know, actually, I laughed when Instagram first did, like, the stories, and now it's, like, obviously, a normal thing. So I guess I should just shut up about the Reels. I just like how everything is in one app.

I don't get out of download a million apps to all that. Anyway. Anyone in the comments bring up to this? Yeah. Let's throw a couple, before we go to our special presentation, let's go, I may fly through YouTube real quick, see if we have any questions in here. La, la, la, la, la. Anything with Colby Covington, too, I think obvious, but. Yeah.

Tire, what we called. He did. And just like, no, people are just being very rude in the comments. That's about it. What are they saying? making fun of me making fun of Alex making fun of you something about Rhode Island I bet half the people in the comments I just didn't know

Rhode Island existed until yesterday or this show well if everyone in the comments would like to send us links to their podcasts and then we could check out what they're doing maybe it could help be helpful for us here's a little Corona Oh, it's just Rouss. Sorry, that was...

A great fight that from Alan Grant. You know, I can't... Yeah, it's just... Sam Neal. Yeah, it is. Sam Nile. Um, you know, I remember when this was talked about by the UFC and everyone was all like, dude, Corona would get crushed. This is such a, such a squash match.

But now, after you saw how Rousy handled, you know, adversity, really, who knew what it could have happened but we never saw it I still think Chonda would have won probably but yeah okay

here's a question what is next the show after a big win not the big win a big win uh Alex what do you want next

for Chit O'Fara after beating Sugar Shahn O'Malley I don't know you know I haven't thought about it it's like there's so much matchmaking movement moving around, I'm like not even sure who's available.

I like the Marab de Valis really fight, just because they both won on the same card. And I feel like if Sugar Sean and Marab had one, they probably would have thrown down. Don't hate that fight. Or Nathaniel Wood Cheeto, just if you're a storyline guy, Marlon Verr retired, Brad Pickett,

and Brad Pickett is Nathaniel Wood's coach. So I would like that fight, too. Marab's one of those guys that I think is going to be a big name. He's awesome. Yeah. He's so fun to watch, to interview too. Yeah. I was shocked.

When I saw his face, I was shocked he was a bantam weight because he looks like a bigger guy like from the neck up. I thought he was like massive. He looks so much bigger than Dodson. Yeah. Yeah. What do you want next for? Bichito. I don't like the Mara fight really.

I mean, I think they'll fight eventually. I don't know. Cheetos, maybe Cheetos San Hagan. Oh, is the San Hagan books? I'm sorry? In San Hagen. Fight a model. Oh, yeah.

Martin. You know, I don't think there's a real definitive person Cheeto needs a fight. I just want to see him by one of those, you know, borderline top 10 guys. That's about it. I think, I think. What if they run it back with Song of Godong at Bantam League?

Oh, Esther goes, he deserves someone in the top 10. So, yeah. If they want to run and run back at Don, yeah, that sounds good too. Because I know everyone. Ooh, Rob Fon. all about Cheeto Verver's Rob Fawn sign me up. All right.

I'm finding another question. Oh, here we go. Put that on the undercard all away cater. Antoninicheschenko Ariana Lipski and then books for flyweight, question mark, or

like thoughts? Fugged by 666 on the YouTube comments. Alex, what do you think about Antonin Shepchenko for Lipski? Like Shavchenko's chances. I think Lipski's a friggin's a friggin savage.

And I don't know if we've seen Chevchenko's best yet, but what I've seen so far is not, you know, anything to write home about. She is clearly the, how would you,

how would I say this? Mara Janetti of the Chupchenko brothers, brothers, sisters. So, Casey, what do you think about Anthony Cheshanko

versus Zarena-A-Lipski? It's a step back for, I think, I felt, well, who does she be? Yeah, she beat kind of a... Lipsky, by the way. I'm sorry? Lipski's...

Every time you say Lipsky, then you... Like, Aron Lipski, then you, like... Am I still here? You're still here. You're there. Aron Lipsis is unranked, and Antenia Shifchenko just fought the number one

ranked flyweight. So it's a huge step back in competition for Shepchenko in terms of, like, the rankings. But I think it's, this is a much more even fight than her previous two, I think. Like, her previous she locks were Roxanne Mottifari and Shukhagan. And now

she's fighting Aron Lipski, who I think has not fought their potential. Because she dominated KSW. He came in with all this hype. Laced a couple legs and then got back in a gruesome submission win. So I don't hate it. I still favor Lipski, but I don't hate it

as much as most people. Yeah, I think just because we've seen Shepchenko lose battling, but she was obviously the UFC just put her with competition way over her head thinking that she was thinking that she was Valentina or something I don't understand because there was no reason she should have fought someone like Chiquayan I mean it was a legit no matter where you rank her she's an A level flyway and you just can't call Shepchenko that Antonia that so Antonina Antonia sorry so to put that

Anthony Succhenko was 7-0 when she fought Roxanne. And Roxanne Mavari was 23 and 15. Like, she had more losses than Anthony Hschenko had career fights. And then when Anthony Hsichenskaecchio fought Chukagin, she was 8 and 2, and Chukagin was 13 and 3. So, like, she's fighting some of the most experienced top-level fighters of flyweight. So I think Lipski, I think the Lipski fight will be closed than people think, but I still favor Lipskis in that fight.

Yeah, it's the violence. Yeah, all right. And one more question real quick. Sorry, a question. Oh, there you go. Vadim versus Bader. Well, it's, it's Bader versus Vadene. You know they do that now, just for you.

I know. I keep creating them. And no punctuation. Come on, guys. I can't even ask the name. So, Casey, what do you think? Beta versus Vadim, a light head for the bellator, the heavyweight title.

And why? It's just a holding pattern for Bata to fight Corey Anderson. No, it's not. Vadim is, uh, was it? Oh, Nimcom. Right. Yeah, that guy is not a, uh, a holding pattern fighter.

He is, well, sign. It's like, you're, you're going out. You're, I'm losing you. Wait, I hear someone's TV. Who's TV is that? Uh, no, that's probably PJ on the other, in the other room. Oh, oh, well, who's he watching? No, he was on a sales call.

Oh, yeah. Okay, okay. We're working out of a small apartment together. Oh, no problem. No problem. I was making sure we just weren't getting some weird, like, we're picking up some other, someone's cell phone on our call. No problem.

No, that fight's awesome. Nimcoff's awesome. That is actually the best fight of the entire MMA weekend. Yep. So, let's go to, da, da, da, da, da, da, all right, we're done of questions. I know, I should say we're done up questions. All right, all right. So we have a gift that was sent to us.

Hold on to me. Just switch shots. All right, Esther. What we got here? I know what it is, too. I'm very excited. You drop it right in front of me. You got one too?

Yeah. What we got? I have one waiting for Arizona. Wow. I have to keep the headphones. Sorry. So this is 35 pounds. No, no.

It's a mic. Okay, I know. There you go. It was 35 pound package sent to us. So we're going to open. And it's sent to us from, who are the, from the people at the Crystal Council. Vinnie and Joe.

Vinnie and Joe, oh, Vinny and Joe at the Crystal Council. Yeah, I need help. What are you going to wait for? I have to keep that. So, thank you so much. We got, so Crystal Council hats. Whoa.

That's cool. Got a pink one for the boys and. Great one for the girls. Great one. This is a very, I got to sit up. This is, I think, the next one. A manuscript? Yeah, manuscript.

This is all, oh my God, this is, yeah, so we have a lot to read. Call Nick Kay. So, oh, it's a cat on screen. So we have a mat to put the crystals on. So we have a mat to put the crystals on. Oh. Oh. Some stickers.

We love stickers because I'm a third grader. Put on my trapper keeper. Note pads. Today is, oh, wow, look at that. See? So we can organize our day. organize our day by our crystal color this is awesome sure candles candles oh my god and crystals oh okay we're gonna open oh

let's just go over okay we're gonna open all these crystals but oh my goodness oh oh okay this is like okay take out the rest desk oh this is heavy oh yeah crap oh I'm gonna pull a muscle oh god it is that This is a dinosaur egg? What is this? It looks like the guy looks like the girl's in Superman. Yeah. Look at this thing. Oh, look on.

This is like, yeah, this is legit like 30, 30 pounds or something. Okay, I'm going to get a, need a knife, Esther. You lost the Blake cutter. Yeah. Give me, come on. Oh, I know. It's on the table where you open that. All right, here we go.

Is that one crystal? Or there's more in there? Yeah, well, there's more. There's not other ones in here. This is the big one. But that's one big one. Oh yeah. Oh my goodness. Sorry, Pizzi. I can feel the energy from here? Can you just feel it?

I'm getting stronger. Whoa. I thought I said it's probably better that way you don't scratch it or whatever. Wow. So I'm not even sure what this is. So... Looks like chocolate. Do we know what it is? This is she... Say that after.

Shiva Lingam. Shiva Lingam. So here we go. So thank you. Oh my God, I'm sweating. It's like, it's 100 degrees here, and I'm holding a 1,000-pound Shiva Lingua. What's it called?

Lingam. The Shiva Lingam aids in understanding the choleric energies such as light and dark, or spiritual and physical. It helps bring total opposites together in perfect harmony, thus causing one to feel complete balance when grasping this stone.

Meditating with Shiva Lingam will help. balance the mind, especially with strong, overwhelming emotions. This stone helps promote prosperity and joy into any household it is placed in. Wow. Oh my God. I think crystal. I broke a sweat holding this. There you go. Like a baby. Don't drop it. Child. So, uh, so who said our friends from the Crystal Council, Vinnie and Joe. So, um, I don't know a lot, but that's awesome. All right.

So we have a lot more. We'll post, we'll post some photos later on our, um, Instagram stories or something. But, uh, yeah. Oh, man, I'm sweating. Yeah. Work out sometimes, Casey. Yeah, I know. Anyway, is that it?

Some questions. Uh, yeah, people suggest I do more squats with the crystal lingua, uh, yeah, crystal. But, uh, yeah, I just want to say thank you. Yeah, and Crystal Power. Yeah, we got it. Well, thank you all for the questions. Thank you for the sent to Casey and Esther from the Crystal Council. I cannot remember their names, but thank you so.

Vinny and Joe. Casey, I'll start with. Casey, anything you got to say before we sign off? No, thank you. And thank you for all the nice comments and F you to all the mean comments. You guys are jerks. Come on, guys. We're in a pandemic.

Be a little nicer to each other. rude anyway Alex what you got inside I'm with Casey I deleted some nasty comments off YouTube and I'm gonna block you and you'll never see our content isn't that what you wanted? Whoa seriously

and I'm screenshoting this and I'm sending it to your parents by the way so yeah and your employers like good year anyway that's Casey that's Alex I'm Jose we'll be back next week probably at the normal time

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