MMA Fighting - The A-Side Live Chat | Kamaru Usman, Petr Yan & Alexander Volkanovski’s next move, Jorge Masvidal, UFC 251 fallout, more

Episode Date: July 15, 2020

For this episode, Jose Torres and Din Thomas join José Youngs and E. Casey Leydon break down some of the top stories in MMA. Some possible topics include — fallout of UFC 251, Kamaru Usman’s succuesful title defense against Jorge Masvidal, Alexander Volkanovski’s controversial win over Max Holloway, Petr Yan’s win over Jose Aldo, and more. The four will also look ahead to this weekend’s card, headlined by a featherweight fight between Calvin Kattar and Dan Ige, and discuss Din Thomas’ experience during quarantine. Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Follow Din Thomas: @DinThomas Follow Jose Torres: @ShortyTorresMMA Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Hey, we're live, pal. Welcome to another episode of the Aiside Live. We're here on enemyfighting.com. Your only stop for Wednesday podcast in the world of Mixed Marchhards. We're not the only stop, the best stop. But of course, joining me this week is the man that is usually with me every single week. It's Casey Leiden, but we don't want to hear from him this week.

We want to hear from our two special guest. Doherty Torres is back. I'll let you talk in a minute. But joining us for his, I guess, technical debut. He made a guest appearance once, but Dean Thomas, something's going on in your life, right? What's happening? Well, before I tell you what's happening, can we just acknowledge the fact that Shorty put on lipstick before y'all started recording?

I didn't want to put him on blast. I was going to let his coach do that. We acknowledge that? No, but yeah, I'm still in Vegas. I'm still in Vegas. The UFC is taking good care of me and just happy to still be around, still alive. What was the – how long have you been? been in Las Vegas. I've been in, I've been in Vegas since Sunday last week. Whoa. So this is

there. So I haven't left the hotel room in 10 days. Whoa. You literally haven't walked out that door in 10 days? I haven't walked out this door in 10 days. Oh my goodness. That is wild. So literally no difference than what you do back at the house. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, pretty much. But this is different, though, Shorty. Maybe I should have you do this. So, like, if I need something, I call down and they'll bring it up. But, you know, everybody wants to stay away from me. So, like, they run up, they drop it on the floor, knock on the door,

and then I watch them scurry away. It's amazing. How many more days left do you have to stay in Las Vegas? I'm getting tested again tomorrow, and God willing, it comes back negative, and then I'm out of here. What was the process of getting the positive results? Because I've had those tests in Las Vegas. Is it the same holiday in that they always stick people in?

I think so. I was at that holiday in for the apex cards where they put the media up there for like 12 hours. But none of us tested. I haven't heard from anyone that tested positive. So what was the process of learning that you had tested positive and we're now under quarantine for so long? Well, you know, the whole thing was that, you know, once you tested, you couldn't leave. So I was in my room just chilling, hoping that. And I was nervous anyway.

I was like, man, I'm nervous about this. And then Dana the next day told me that I had tested positive. So it was like, oh. And I thought he was playing. I thought it was a bit for looking for a fight. I really did. I was like, where the cameras at? Any minute they come bust in this room telling me it was a joke.

And it never came. So it was very disheartening for me. Wait, so Dana is the guy that gave you the call? Yeah, Dana gave me. That's normal. I doubt it. I mean, I'm actually honored, you know. It's like an honor like Dana called me to tell me to, you know.

My God, I'm sure I'll have questions about that. But Shorty, how's life with you all the way on the other side of the country from your coach? I'm alive, man. I'm not sick, which is great. So either I'm asymptomatic or I don't have anything. But either way, man, I decided to come back to Chicago work with my coach pretty much who started me off. Master Bob Shermer, been here for about a week and a half. and just doing my thing, you know, training, trying to stay in shape.

And actually, my fight, well, because I'm doing this on my phone, I don't have my laptop or Wi-Fi, my fight just got announced. I'm fighting Sean Centello, aka Shorty Rock. So it's pretty much battle of the Shorty's. The location and the date will both be announced. But, man, I'm excited. I'm just, you know, I've known about this for at least a good month. So I've been training, training, training, or at least speculated about this for a good month.

Training staying, you know, with Dean. I mean, Dean, who? I'm not, you know, I'm not quarantining. and, you know, just doing my thing. So I'm happy getting punched in the face. I'll beat up. I literally just finished practice. That's why I look all crazy.

But I guess that's my usual. Why not, right? What happened when you found out Dean had tested positive? Do you start freaking out? No. No, I left. You see how he is? He left me.

I didn't freak out. Dude, your house is haunted. There's no way it's not haunted because I'm in there by myself. And after the first day, I just hear like, noises of like if somebody's home or walking around and I'll come outside my room and I'm like no I gotta get out of here no I got to get out of here no I can't do this for too long and I left that's it I left I ain't gonna lie to you man I hear the same stuff like like you just someone's there you can be like oh cool I'm getting robbed it's not just me making sure

but none of you guys are experiencing any symptoms right I'm not good now I had headaches before but That's good. It's usually because of me, but now it's because of the Jonas. So that's the whole different thing. He thought it was just normal stuff. Well, I'm sure we're going to get a million questions about it. For those of you that have never watched this show, you can leave a question on Twitter, the site, wherever.

You can send DMs. You can message us on Instagram. Whatever you want to ask Dean Shorty, and if you, for whatever reason, want to ask me a Casey question, feel free. But Casey, what is our first question for our illustrious guests? Oh, do, too, oh, where are my faces go? Yeah, no one wants to see me in a lot. I know. Oh, no.

Yeah, look at us. Dean. What you've been eating while you're there? You know what I've been eating. I ordered peanut butter and jelly from Amazon and chicken nuggets. Same thing I eat when I'm home. I was going to say, you take air fry with you? I wish.

From Cam Kelly gang on Twitter, what's the next major change you either think will happen next or like to happen next in the UFC? So this is a very broad question. So like what things, what change are you, do you think will happen in the UFC? Sure, I'll start with you. Oh, very broad question. What do you think will happen and what do you want to happen? The hardest part, I mean, obviously we're going to have closed events going on for a while.

I don't believe things aren't going to be back to normal until sometime next year, maybe even mid-next year the way things are going. All these countries are having, you know, pandemics all over again, you know, California, you know, Florida, what are the states? Georgia, Texas, all shutting back down because of, you know, all this problem. So I don't know what's going to happen. You know, some states at least in the United States, you can close back down. Some states are opening back up.

We're not like New Zealand where we're pretty much COVID-free. So everywhere around the world is going to be extremely hectic. You're going to get people like Dean Thomas not having any symptoms. I don't know where it gets testing. You stay in Vegas for about two weeks, you know. So you never know what's going to happen. These people are going to get tested. A lot of main events, co-main events, fights are going to be canceled.

So look at boxing. I think top rank had their co-main event or their main event canceled, so the co-made event went to the main. It ended up being a great card, but it's just one of those things that you never know. Gilbert Burns had to stay home, and now that fight's going to be, you know,

postponed until another day, which I do believe Burns should be the next guy, but it's a crazy thing. I can't say for sure, but I hope we do get, you know, all these fight cards that UFC has been saying, and same thing with other promotions, but I don't know what's going to happen.

Dean, what do you think? things can another, again, broad question. What major change do you think will happen next? Well, I'm going to answer this from a different perspective, not having anything to do with the pandemic. I'm going to answer this from a perspective of, I think we need to do something about the judging and the pay structure of the UFC. I think the judges need to be held more accountable. I believe we need to do open scoring. They're already doing that in Invicta. I believe open scoring with the scoreboard at the top. And I also believe that they need to stop the win bonus. I think that the win bonus is ridiculous. I've never seen a person.

And the fight go, man, I got to get this win bonus in the middle of the fight. It has nothing to do with the fight. They need to pay these guys just a standard flat fee. And then it raised a flat fee, but pay them a standard flat fee and not do a win bonus. Because when guys lose fights, they lose half their money based on three guys that had absolutely nothing to do with the fight. I think it's just a ridiculous way we score fights, a ridiculous way we judge fights and a ridiculous way these guys are getting paid. Have you ever told Dana that? Are you kidding me?

No, I like my job. That's what I thought I was going to say. I'll play devil's advocate because we've talked about open scoring. That's probably the topic we discuss and get asked about the most on this show. A lot of people think that if there is open scoring, people will start, quote, unquote, coasting if they know they're up. And they have a right to coast if you're up. If you're up, you have a right to coast.

The burden should not be on you to let the other guy in. The idea, if you know that you're losing, you need to catch up. And if you don't catch up, then you're the punk. one that's coasting. If you can coast, you have a right to coast. Well, would you say to fans that like the reveal at the end? Like, they like the drama, the suspense of a split decision where they say, and new or and still. They're not getting paid. Yeah, but you'll still get that if the fight is close enough. If the three-round fight, if it's one-in-one and both guys know that they need to win that last

round, you'll still get the reveal. But if a guy is dominating the whole fight, he should be able to coast if he feels like it because he doesn't dominate the whole fight. It's the other guy's job to catch up and knock him out. I'm going to be devil's advocate because I love watching basketball games but I cover up the score. So when the game ends, I try to

add it up in my head and I guess who wins. I think it's a much better way to watch any sports. Just don't know the score of the entire game and just kind of add it up in what you think is going to be the score. It makes it much more dramatic. Oh, that's... So you like, I think in Victa they would show the scores to the

corners on an iPad, and it was up to the corners, whether they told their fighters, you're up or you're down. Do you like that method or do you want the scores up on the Jumbo Tron for, like, everyone to see? I want the scores on the Jumbo Tron. Everybody should be able to see it. It also makes the judges more accountable because at the end of the fight, when the scores are done, they're just like, I'm going home. I don't care about y'all. But at the end of the day, like, they need to be accountable. Like, what other sport where the refs aren't accountable for their actions?

They need to be accountable for making mistakes on scoring. Dean Thomas speaking the truth on the A side I'm getting sweaty listening and I like it I love it I love it Casey what do you think is going to happen in the UFC ain't nothing going to change it's going to be the same shit guys fall out they fill in someone on two days notice

same pay I mean I've been I've been how long you've been in MMM like 15 20 years working in MMA man longer than that I've been doing since 95 95 yeah so Yeah, so I'm like, I'm year 15 into this. And like, I mean, it's this, I don't know. I've been complaining about open score.

I've been complaining about judging. I've complained for like 15 years, I feel like. I'm sorry? Well, here's the thing, man, is not until the UFC starts to feel the effects of it when they'll change it. Because right now they don't really have no, like financially they don't lose out because of it. It doesn't matter for them. Like, the scores could be wrong. The only people who suffer from are the fighters.

And the fighters are just like, I put on a good fight anyway. I'm hoping to get a bonus. But until you see things happen like Max Holloway and Volcanovsky happened more often, where the UFC's like, man, I got to pay this guy. I didn't even think he won. Then we're going to start seeing, when they start losing money out on it, then UFC's going to have to do something about it. But until then, they don't really have no interest in doing anything about it.

I like to see more of unified rules. So John Anick doesn't have to say, well, we're in this state. So it's this set of rules that are happening. And then the next week, I'm watching with the same people in my apartment. And they're like, wait, what is the difference between rules state to stay? I'm like, don't even worry about it. It's a whole headache. Oh, like unified rules.

That's what I've been asking for for a while. Anything else? Going back to the talking about the drama, you know, people, oh, what about the drama of the handraise? To me, in a five-round fight, you get drama every single round. Now, into the second round, now you're like, what's the score? Into the third round, what's the score? rather than just, you know, okay, I'm going to use this as a go run to the restroom, you know, during the in between rounds. So I think you actually add the drama, you build it up.

So, yeah, it's stupid. Open scoring. Show's over. We got it. That's all I wanted to talk about. Thank you. Thank you for the question, Ken Kelly. It was very broad, but we got a lot of good answers.

Boring fighters from Jones Eats Cormier on the site. Why does MMA media run to the defense of boring fighters? The Uzman fight was boring. Was it high-level M.A? Of course it was, but it was also very boring. Why does M.M.A. media feel the need to, quote, correct fans voicing their displeasure in particular fight or fight style. I blame Casey. Of course, everything is Casey's fault.

He is the embodiment of M.A. Media. Shorty, I'll start with you. Why do, I guess, us as media members, I don't think, I don't see this much, but why do you think fans think media members have to, quote, I guess, correct fans from voicing their displeasure? You know, the crazy thing is, boring fights doesn't matter. If you get the win, you get the win. And I know media automatically has to talk good or bad about someone just to publicize something to get the story out. You know, for the media, if you're protecting the boring fighter, then you're protecting the boring fighter because he's winning.

But if you're obviously bashing the boring fighter, well, I understand that. But if he still gets the win, he gets the win. Actually, it's crazy. He really told me that one time, you know, because me, I'm a person who would like to make a fight exciting. And at the time, Tyron was getting bashed for playing safe in a lot of fights. And he's like, this is when he was champion. He goes, dude, I don't care. I don't care what the fans thing?

I don't care what anybody thinks? Anyone can say everything about me. But I got the belt around my waist, and I'm getting paid for it. So what's it really matter? For me, as a fighter, I'm still going to do what I want to do. The fans are going to think whatever. The media is going to say whatever. But as long as I got the belt around my waist, I'm doing my job, and I'm doing it very well.

Dean, your thoughts. Why does the media have to, quote, unquote, correct fans? Well, I think the media has more of an obligation to, I think it's a better, it's more interested in the media to protect the fighters that they're bashing because they want to get interviews eventually. You know what I'm saying? It's like, yeah, you know what? You basing in Uspin.

I'm not going to side with you because I want to talk to Uspin one day. So I think it makes sense that they protect the fighters when they can. But I think fans need to stop bashing fighters for thinking that they're boring. I mean, it's not, if Ushman, what he's doing is winning, it's not his job to stop doing what he does best in order to entertain people, because he's winning. If you want to see Ustman do something more exciting,

it's the job of his opponent to pull it out of him. Not Ustman to dumb himself down for the fans. What did you guys think of all the people on Twitter whining about the foot stomps? Hey, man, foot stomps suck. You don't feel it that day. You're like, I'm on my last fight. I was like, cool, you put some on me twice.

Dude, it doesn't hurt. My drill ends up. I don't feel it. And then the next day I woke up and I'm walking. I'm like, what the? Oh, damn, they do work. Huh. Look at that.

But it doesn't work immediately towards the fight. Unless you get like that sweet spot, it's so big. But again, it's the old MMA style. If it's still legal, why not do it? Well, yeah, that's, I mean, first time's nothing new. It surprises me how, like, when, sometimes, some of these old techniques are brought back and they're so apparent that people start thinking they're new. Like, footstombs are nothing new.

They've been going on forever since the beginning of time. It's just Ustman had the opportunity to use it more now in this fight. And it was, you know, obviously very apparent. But, man, you can break a foot doing that. Like, if you, like shorty said, if you catch the sweet spot, you'll break a foot. So I like footstombs. Now, obviously, you know, can you win a fight that way? Well, Ousman did.

But, I mean, it's whatever. You know, at the end of the day, it's whatever. I think foot stops agree. It's like Connor's shoulder strikes. As soon as he did it, one. Yeah, kind of, everybody's been doing that. Yeah. It was like, I'd seen that.

I saw John Jones do it to Glover, like at USC 172, and all of a sudden people are calling it. Like, someone did it in the fights this past weekend, and the commentary was like, oh, shades of Connor McGregor. I was like, I guess, but he's the most recent one. Yeah, but if the footstomps would have ended the fight, then people would have phrased it. That's fair.

No, no. So, but because it did it, you know, there's that fact. It's just to me, it's just like, wanted Masvedal to win and they didn't want Usman to win. If Masvidal would have foot stomped Usman for 24 minutes and what and Mazbrals got the belt based on footstomps, everyone would be like, footstombs rule. And every question would be like, why isn't John Jones footstopping more? It's just, to me, it's just the fans, one guy to win.

So you're just looking for excuses. That's a fair point. But footstops. You train footstops? You don't train them. You just kind of see him and do them, right? Yeah, you don't really train them. I mean, I don't know how you would even train that.

Is there a technique? Is there a proper technique? Well, I mean, I guess you would have hit with the hard part of your foot, you know, where it's heaviest. But, yeah, I don't think that's something that, like, you even train. Yeah, that's hard to train. But shorty, I guess we got something to work on on Monday. Yeah, let me put someone in the fence and just put stop them 10 times. And then other foot turns the other shoulder hard.

Cool, it's your turn now. All right. Just keep on doing that shadow box. It's really hard to train those. I mean, it's smart, though, because 25% of the bones are in your feet. You know, those are like super, super tiny bones. So, I mean, you ever, I mean, for Dean, for example, because obviously him and I both fight,

you ever kick someone and you feel perfectly fine? But then after you're like, oh, man, my foot hurts. It's probably because you ended up, you know, herding one of the bones, and they're super, super small. So when somebody footsteps you so many times, like a trolley horse in the same exact spot, the top of the foot's pretty much all bone. and the bottom of the foot is where really you have the cushion.

So if you start healing someone in the foot, man, that can change the thing. So I think it's a great game plan. It's something we should practice. And why not? It makes people think, too. It's just like going high and low. It's like, oh, man, I'm not thinking about the clinch anymore.

I'm thinking about moving my foot and cool. And now I get to knee pick someone or thrown by. So it's a different game plan. In case, you ever been foot stomped? No. I'll be right there. Yeah, I know. Shit.

I watched, I watched Taylor Sonon train once. and he had like, he rolled someone over. So they weren't flat down. They were on their knees, and they had their hands, their palms face down, and Chale punched one of the hands from the top position. And that guy lifted his hands up and he got through her naked choke. I thought that was super bizarre.

I never seen that in a fight before. Remember when Uzman brought Maya, I remember Maya being on his back, and Uzman grabbed Maya's foot and started punching his foot. And everyone made fun of him for that. I was like, well, I mean, it's a strike. And I guess. Getting punched heart.

no matter where it is. Well, actually, you know, you asked me if I had taken a footstop, but guys, when you're sparring, like, you don't, no one, no one even spars foot stomps because you don't want to injure your opponent over something stupid, right? Well, I mean, I-I injure your sparring partner over something kind of dumb like a footstop. You won't even, like, use it in sparring, right? I mean, I've done it, but just like in sparring, like, I'll throw knees,

I'll throw elbows even to the, to the slowest extent. So I'm sometimes tapping people and just letting them know, like, hey, if this was real, just like sparring. Like, I'm not going to 100% But if I hit you in the face nice and clean You know if that was 100% of a punch That would have hurt So maybe you should, you know, put your hands

Up and remove your head So it's the same thing with the foot stops I respectfully put it down and people are like Damn, maybe I should move my foot Ah, trap, you know? So it's just little techniques, change the game Or footstown Hopefully you can answer your question, Jones,

It's Cormier Oh, and Dan, but the MMA media Running the Defense of Boring Fighters It was like it was a boring fight, but a boring fighter is the champion. So boring and winning are two separate things. I don't even think that fight was overly boring to begin with. No, and it wasn't.

It definitely wasn't. It was just, yeah. You know what, if they don't want fighters, if they want fighters to just be exciting, then let's stop having winners and losers. And let's just say everybody wins and let's just be exciting. But when the reward and the goal is to win, you've got to do whatever you can at all cost to win. Use your skill set to win.

What Oussman's doing is great. I don't care if it's exciting or not. He's winning. From Grin and on the site, what's the bigger issue with the controversial MMA decision win-loss, the 10-point must system or the quality of judges? Dean, I'll start with you since you brought this up. Since I brought it up?

What's the bigger issue? I think they kind of go hand-in-hand because you need, because of the 10-point must system, which is, I think, ridiculous for MMA. It's just not enough. You're going to need a high quality of judges that know everything about the game. And that's the problem because, like,

in order to effectively judge MMA, you have to know a lot about jihadts. So you have to know a lot about boxing, a lot about kickboxing, a lot about wrestling. You have to know a lot about these things because you need to know what is harder to deal. You need to know what submissions are, like, close. There's a lot to know.

and then you add into the fact that the 10 point must system is so vague. I mean, it only works for boxing because there's only six punches being thrown. But when you're talking about a sport that has so many different things involved, we need a little bit more, we need something more to really give it a little bit more difference in what we're doing here because 10 point must system won't work for that. And then if we have to use the 10 point must system, we need a high quality of judges. who knows what they're doing. Not some dudes who like just watched it and were fans of it and or came from boxing because now you're biased towards the boxing. So I don't know. I think it's probably

I think at the end of the day it's probably a 10 point must system that you should be fixed first as opposed to the quality of judges because that's because you is hard. It's going to be hard to get good judges across the board as opposed to at least fixing the system in itself. We asked Israel Adasana this question. He says if we're going to use the 10 point must system he wants to use all 10 points i can't remember the exact round he's like one of those rounds in my kelvin gaslin fight that's a 10-4 that's not a 10-9 i beat his ass so he wants to use the entire 10 he's like if we have to use it use all of them but sure i think i think so i think that's the only way it works sure what do you think yeah we do have to fix and adapt the 10 point must

system because boxing cool that works for boxing that was made for boxing but we need something made specifically for our MMA. It is a completely different sport where we're on our feet, we're on the ground, and we're using many more tools. And again, I see people winning fights off the submission attempts, but how tight were these submissions? Were they just kind of thrown up? Is that considered a submission attempt? Does they have to be locked in? It's the same thing with punches. If you've got a fighter who's always throwing pop shots, but then on the board it says he's landed this many significant punches, who's counting that? You know, so we need people behind the scenes, the judges or even the, you know, the guys who just in general take the

points of, you know, to have them be better educated. You know, obviously look at Frank Trigg as a referee. I think he's a phenomenal referee because he's been through those experiences. He knows maybe this choke is tight. He knows that this guy's spit out his mouth guard because he's actually tired instead of, oh, it just fell out. You know, it's just these little things of people need to be naturally put in there, better understand them while watching it during a fight. Compared to like when somebody gets dropped, the Jose Aldo fight, obviously there was a controversy where it should have been stopped much earlier. Do I agree with that? that yes, but then you also have to look at from the fighter side point of view of he's a

champion, you're trying to let him go on in the shield, but then, okay, maybe you give him a little extra time because it is a championship fight, but now you're giving him too much time, and now he's taking too much damage. So again, it's those things you have to take a look, and I believe the judging is the biggest part, and then eventually adapting the 10-point must-system in the M.A. Casey, what do you think? I think the 10-point must system sucks. Sucks. I mean, I can't think of one on top of my head, But, like, how many rounds, how many fights have we seen a three-round fight where one person maybe wins rounds one and two by, like, they got an extra jab in there. They push a guy against the cage for an extra 15 seconds at the end.

So, like, I guess I got to give him that. I guess I got to give him that round. But then that third round, that guy just takes an ass whoopin, but not quite a 10-8. Not like quite like, he's almost dead. Because we have to, like, guys basically have to almost lose half their life to give him a 10-8. So like the most significant damage in the whole fight And the whole 15-minute fight was done by the losing fighter And we see it so many times

We're like you know what there's 10-9s and there's big 10-9s But we count them the same so 10-point must system sucks Way over the quality of judges That's part of the suckage Thank for the question, Gren N A lot of judging in Yeah I know What we're going to change in UFC this time

This is another one another judging one From Robin G87 When will the referees learn When referees go through the rules with fighters in the back, why don't they warn them not to poke opponents in the eye, don't kick your opponents in the balls, and don't grab the fence? It's ridiculous that the referees, during a fight, got to go to a non-English speaker's quarantine to have a translator warn a fighter about the rules.

Follow the question, how many months will Steve A be injured after his next fight with Cormeade you to blame an eye poke? So, Shorty, I'll start with you. Why, I guess you've been in the back, you've had referees tell you the rules, so on and so forth. They tell you the rules in the back, right? So I'm not just making that up. But it still happens.

I think a lot of the eye pokes and low kicks and everything. I'm going to say almost the vast majority of them are accidental. No one's just going to go out there and just kick someone in the junk or poke someone in the eye for no reason. So but to answer this question, talk about the referees. Unless you're in like UFC 1 through 10, you know, just start groin, shot in Joe's son and just keep on going. Let's go.

You know, it's one of those things. Oh, dude, just said, thank you, Dean. I've been watching the old UFCs. They're freaking hilarious. I told you. that headbutts, headbutts, growing shots. But the thing is back in the day, those rules weren't explained. They were just like, I can do anything.

They just start clawing people, you know? So it didn't matter. But nowadays, they literally tell you you can't do these certain things. Even in practice, don't obviously eye gaug. You're the things when the first time you spar naturally. You can't do these certain things. So implement what you can do. And that automatically, as your amateur days go on and your pro career goes on,

that becomes common sense. No growing shots, no eye gouging, no holding on to the, the opponent's gear or shorts and stuff like that. You know, so the rules are one common sense. The rules are also explained to you back in the locker room. And then they're explained again to overemphasize. I'm like, hey, man, you had your one mistake. Now the next one, you might be deducted a point to or even disqualified.

So don't do it again. And it's just, it's one of those things that happen. I mean, the groin shots most of the time, majority. I never see someone just full straight out front kick someone in the groin. But there's sometimes where just some guy moving. moves, he's throwing inside late kick, and it just slides up. Those things actually do happen sometimes more than once. And after that, you're like, okay, cool, I'm not throwing any inside late kicks anymore.

I'm not throwing any low body shots anymore. That's where the fighter has to change up the game, but it's naturally explained. And for the SIPA question, hey, man, he's older. This might be his last fight too, so he can be injured as long as he wants to be. And plus he's fighting, you know, for his service being a firefighter. Let him do him, man. I can't complain, but I'm excited for this third fight. And I think it's a good last fight for both if they both decide to retire, for sure, for Cormier.

Dean, to answer the question, when will referees learn? The referee, that's an unfair question because you're assuming that they're assuming that they don't go over the rules in the back, and which they do go over the rules in the back. But at the same time, it's not really the referee. Just because, like, you see fighters go out there poking it. It's like telling, it's like telling a five-year-old, don't go in a cookie jar. and then they turn and then they go in the cookie jar you can't say oh i still go in the cookie jar every day yeah like it's like telling shorty not to go to cookie jar he's still going to go in the cookie jar it's

not my fault he's still went in the cookie jar so yeah so the reality is it's not the refs fault most of the time it's it's the fighters that you know sometimes they get caught up in the moment or sometimes they just don't care they're just like you know what i'm going to take my um warning so i'm gonna i'm gonna get one everybody gets one i'm gonna everybody gets won i'm going to get mine. But in terms of Steppe, how many months will he be injured after his next fight? I don't know. I don't think Cormié is going to blatantly poke

him in the eyes. I think that's, again, an unfair assessment of Cormié's skill set. Yeah, our own Damon Martin spoke with Cormia, and he thought it was an absolutely ridiculous question. He was like, what do you think I'm just going to go out there and stab someone in the face on purpose? It's not going to happen. So I hope that answer your question, Robin G.,

though. Dean, what do you, what do you think about this? I've always been a big proponent of half point deductions. Like, because basically, like, you always say you get one, you get one, you know, Ipo, get one fence grab, you get one ball shot. So to me, what I hear means those are legal. If I get one, it means it's legal.

I mean, if I can kick you in the dick one time, that's a legal shot. So instead, give them a half point deduction. It's a serious infraction, but that half point won't adjust, won't mess up the final score. So it's a really hard warning. And I don't know. I just think I was a half-point deductions might be an answer to that. Well, no, I think that, I think they can give a point if, but like, I guess Israel, Adasanya said it best the way you said it, like used all the 10 points.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I think in MMA, if they used all the 10 points, then point deductions would matter in those situations. And, yeah, I believe, I think that, yeah, if you're going to use a 10-point must system, you got to use all the 10 points. Yeah, yeah, I think everything goes back to the scoring system. The scoring, bring back pride rules. That's what I'm going to say.

Hell not. Nobody want to get kicked in head. Besides the, besides soccer kicks. I was going to say, I remember training with, like, Adriana Morris and Kiyoji Horaguchi, and I would stay in headlock position. I'm like, ah, cool, I'm sucking a headlock. He's not going to give me with the choke. But I don't know where he starts meaming the head.

I'm like, dude, you can't, oh, they're from Asia. I can't do this. Damn, I got to move. You know, so it's just those little things. And I just want to tell you, like, being able to kick or knee a grounded opponent in the head is the most, the scariest fucking thing you've ever been through. So for the guys who fight for one, Risen, all those promotions in Asia that allow that, good luck.

No, that's so scary. When I put him all Sulive over there in a, in a noki Bombay, man, he kneeed me in the head when I was on the ground. I said, hell no, get me the hell out of here. I asked Chuck Lell that question once He goes if he could change anything about MMA It was a similar thing like if you could change anything Rules or whatever And the one thing he picked he goes

Needs to Grounded Opponents because I would have destroyed everyone And I was like oh God A terrifying human being It's a game changer It's 100% is a game changer Oh I yeah When I think about knees as a grounded opponent

I just like oh God I just I get so happy thinking about it I just miss it Like how many fights do you watch Like oh my God This fight would be over right now if they could just knee them, just be over. But, no, instead we get, you know, bum, you know.

Or look at the fight that just happened. It was all over social media where they both kind of rocked each other. One guy fell, and the guy just ran up and need him right in the face. So a grounded opponent. And it was just like, oh, that would have been awesome. But sadly, you're disqualified, you know? So, and honestly, that actually happened to me one of my fights. The guy dropped me, and I went to shoot him for a double, and he just ran in and went to knee me.

And I was like, well, and I ducked. but if I didn't duck, dude, I would have been out, but he also would have been disqualified. So it just changes the whole game of, is it there 100%? But is illegal in the States? No, and I prefer to be, you know, illegal just because, man, that can not just change the game, but change lives.

And I'm not about that. Yeah. I get hurt enough. I'm good, man. I'm good. What about the oblique kick that Wonderboy wanted to get rid of for a while? Is that, though? Did he murder of that for a while?

No, Wonderboy wanted to get rid of that for a while? No, Wonderboy, wanted, he thought it should have been an illegal kick. Like the kick to the top of the knee that like buckles your knee back? I'm wondering why he would want that to be an illegal kick because that's a major weapon of his. I think it was after his Darren Till fight when his knee got all shredded because of those kicks. Is he the one throwing it?

I think he was the one eating him. I think he was the one eating him. Yeah, Darren Till kind of beat his legs up with that kick. I like that. I like that kick as a matter of fact. I think, you know, it's a great area because, like, you know, if you, if you, if, you go to the knee, it's, you know, that's very dangerous. But if you go to the thigh, it's not as dangerous, but it still serves the same purpose. But it's hard to kind of judge that in the middle

of a fight. Like, you know, you're trying not to hit the knee. So I don't know. I like the kick. And I think that it should be legal. I do like it. It hurts a lot. And I'm very heavy on the front leg. So don't. If you're any one of my future opponents, don't ever do that. I will not like you. That's it. That's really like. can do because I probably won't get around it but I just want to say I don't like you don't do it is that all it's all that's it just just just just kick my knee and I can't win I can't get past it I also know Joe Schilling hated it Joe Joe Schillen called it a chicken shit kick I think that's what he called it yeah yeah guys who are heavy on their leg you know heavy on their front leg yeah

of course they don't like it yeah from jays store on the site what's next for jir pro is he ready to fight fight the men in the title conversation to will find Jan Reyes Santos if he is or is isn't, who should he fight next? So, Casey, I'm going to start with you because you've seen Jerry Pahaska fight live in person at his last Risen fight. He, of course, kicks the door in and knocks Vulcan Oztemir out dead at the beginning of the second round. Super weird fight to watch.

But what did you make of his performance and who do you want to see him fight next? Oh, I thought his performance was freaking awesome. That was the most outside of Andrage Nomminus, that's like of all the weekends of fights. that's probably the second most exciting fight I was looking forward to the most because I've just been such a big fan of him. And I'm kind of bummed he's in the UFC only because I just love seeing him in Ryzen and seeing him in the Big Saitama. And I just, I just, I wanted more bigger fighters over there, like literally bigger fighters

over there. But I'm happy of his success. And man, I just, yeah, of course he's ready for those guys, Reyes. So if John Jones is going to be out, I don't know if they're going to do an interim bell or whatever. I don't know how the UFC wants to promote him, but, like, yeah, he's, he's already in the mix, so, yeah. Didn't he call out Johnny Walker? What do you guys all think about that fight?

Yeah. I don't know, like, make it happen. You know what I'm saying? This is the thing. You know, we talk about the light heavyweight division and, like, nobody ever really calls the light heavyweight division what it really is. Weep. I mean, how do come in in his first fight automatically, they're talking about title. Like, what other, like, you can't do that at Bannonweight.

You can't do that at featherweight, lightweight, welterweight. You can't do that in them divisions, but the light, heavyweight division and the heavyweight division, you can. A guy that come in, knock somebody out, and then all of a sudden, boom, shoot right up to the top. And they say, yeah, well, he knocked out Vulcan. But the fact that he got a chance, an opportunity to fight Vulcan shows how deep the division is, not very deep at all. Spin facts. Spin facts. It's one of those things, damn, I can't even.

follow up that. You know, it's one of those things that like, did he perform well? Did he beat a good veteran the UFC? Yeah. But that's one test. Give him one more. Give him two more. Let him face some really high level guys, some guys that are ranked top 10, top five. And then let's talk about if that guy's ready for a title shot. I mean, look at the guys that fought John Jones. They've been pretty much one, two, and three all in line. But we need someone. We can't just go, oh, this guy's popular. He's done all these things. Let's automatically give him a title shot. Like Vina is saying, that just shows that the light heavyweight division isn't stacked at all. So they're like, oh, one fight, he's popular.

Let's get him up there. So it's become a popularity contest and people know them instead of, here, let's have him prove the point against these top five guys. And then once he beats one or two of them, not John Jones fight. I do believe he should take some time and see where it goes from there and actually prove the point compared to just one fight. But, hey, if the fans want it so far, the UFC is going on, if this guy's popular, let's get him up there.

I don't see it's just one fight. I think he's proven, like, in his resume, that he's ready for. those guys. I mean, I don't think, you know, he's not a, he's not a contender series guy. I think, I think he's already a legit, no, full prospect out there. And I, I, I love the match up. And, yeah, I think he's, I think he's earned, I think he's earned his way to get to the top of the line, front of the line. So he had, his record is 27 and three. So he has 30 professional fights. He has not, he, he, he, before he knocked out Volcanos Duma, he knocked out C.V. Dahlaway in his last fight at Risen, and his last loss, God, I have to go to his second page,

was in 2015, knockout punch, at 509 of the first round. So, Long had like a 10-minute first round. The winner of Anthony Smith versus Ratchick, there you go. I like that fight. They're all, like, right there, 9, 10, 11. Yeah. Or eight, whatever it was. Anyway, hope that answered your question. But John Jones is going to be out for a while, so what are we going to do about that title? Yon versus Reyes. Yeah, sure. I like that. Yeah, see, it's like Dean said. Like, sure, that makes, why not?

Why not? Why not? Keep his hands up next time, though. From Trumbo on the site, what's next for Aldo? He gave Yon a really tough fight, just faded in the later round. He's also brought back that murderous leg kicks to everyone's delight. He can obviously still compete at the highest level,

but where does he go? Do you stay at Bannerway for a few more fights and try to get back to the belt? Does he go back to Featherway and try to get a rematch with Volcanowski, or does he finally go to lightweight? What does he do? So Josaldo, of course, came up short in his bid to capture the vacant Bantamweight title. I think this fight was super fun to watch. It was high-level striking for the whole time until, like Trumbo said,

Jose Aldo kind of faded by the fourth round, which has been following him. That narrative has followed him pretty much his whole career. I think he broke his rib sometime in the first round. That's what they were saying. I don't know if that's the actual thing. He got punched, like, cleaned down. and he kind of turtled up.

But to me watching it, it looked like when he was finally throwing his leg kicks in the second round, that gave Yon problems. And then he just abandoned it in the third round. So if he had kept up what he was doing in the second round, we might have had a different story. But he didn't, and he lost. Yon is not the champion. But, Dean, if you're Jose Aldo's coach, what do you want him to do next?

You know, I guess you'd have to see where his heart is right now. Like I'm assuming he probably still wants to fight. But, I mean, at the highest level, when you're dealing with, like, the top five guys, I don't think weight matters as much because he ain't going, he's probably not going to beat the, you know, the top three anyway. So if he's not going to beat the top three, why kill himself to cut a bunch of weight? You know, so I think he could fight if he wants a lot of fights to happen. I would go back up to 145 and just fight, you know, some dudes there so you don't have to cut so much weight or even go to 55 and fight guys. Because getting the title, if he's not willing to put in the

work or if he doesn't think he can get the title, man, just have fun fights and don't cut a lot of weight. Do it like Donald Seroni. Yeah, I will 100% agree with that. I say right now it should be fantasy fights. You know, the WEC, you know, fight that we all wanted, Dominicruz versus Jose, all that would be amazing, whether that's at Bannonweight or at featherweight. I think right now he's lost, what, three straight title fights and obviously the Marlon Mara's fight, which, you know, I personally thought he lost.

So it was a very close fight. Could have gone either way. but it's the fact of he lost the fight, got the title shot, which I think the title shot was more out of respect than anything, and he lost that one as well. You know, I'm not saying he's completely out of his prime, but he's definitely sinking down

and he's facing these young high-level guys, top five that might not be able to go 100% the first two rounds, but they start to pick it up like Peter Yondin and he's pushing the pace, and now, you know, the championship rounds, he just can't hang anymore. So for me, I think right now just enjoy the money fights,

enjoy the fantasy fight. And I think the Domitruz fight would be really, really fun to see. I also would not hate seeing him fight Anthony Pettis at lightweight. I know they'd tease that. They even had a stare down on the beach in Rio one time before that fight fell out. But Casey, what do you want? Or even make a catch fight at 150. Yeah.

Sure, why not? In this world, Josie Aldo can do whatever he wants at this point, future Hall of Fame. Casey, what do you want to see from Aldo? I mean, I get why Aldo wants, you know, another shot at Jan or the belt, because, I mean, just the money is so much better because I don't think he's a big enough guy where he's getting that. He's still on a show and win type parks.

He's not like a guarantee, like, here's a 750 grand, no matter what happens. You know, he still has to win the fight. He's on that still a type of contract. But I get why he wants to build. I mean, it's just a lot more money involved. But, yeah, but I agree both Dean and Shorty. Just give him super fights right now,

and hopefully, he's happy of that. But to me, like, auto, me, like, as offensively, he seems to be still in his prime, but it really comes down to durability. He just seems just, he doesn't have that, he doesn't have, unfortunately, I just don't think he has that championship level of durability you need, that punishment you have to be able to take to fight these guys at the highest level. I don't know.

Do you agree, Dean? Yeah, I think so. And it's not necessarily his durability. I think he's just, he's taking way too much damage throughout his career. I mean, there's a guy who's been like in these wars since Mark Homonick, you know what I mean? He's just, he's taking way too many punches. And the way those guys trained down in Brazil is pretty tough too. So like they take a lot of punishment in training, take a lot of punishment in fights that he just can't sustain it no more.

Like he's tough enough and mentally tough enough to take it, but physically his body's just giving out on him. And that was one thing that I think Connor said when he fought on him. He said he's over the years, he's not gotten better, but he's taking the punishment of it. And that was why he was able to, you know, kind of bait him into that fight that he did and, you know, catch him with that shot. But, you know, a lot of these guys just take a lot of punishment, unnecessary punishment in practice. And then he's been in wars and fights and just he can't take it no more. And Novo Niao training is no joke. Yeah, everybody says that.

Everybody knows that. Like, that's like, you know, they just, they put them through the gauntlet in every session I hear. Yeah. I watched like a, I think it was when Junior Dos Santos went to. trained there for one fight camp. They did like an embedded there type thing. And after the fights, they would all climb a ladder

to the roof of the building and sit in like buckets of ice. Like that's how they would train. That's how they would recover. They would sit on the roof of their building in buckets of ice and then go back down and train. No. No.

So even their recovery methods were just Spartan like, from Trambo on the site. Points taken for groin shots. Every time someone gets, hit with a bad going, a bad going, it gets five minutes to recover and necessarily the fighter who threw the groin strike gets the same amount of time to rest and recover. Result is the folded fighter comes back, recovered, but diminished.

The fighter who fouled him comes back refreshed and better for having done it. What can be done to make this more fair? Take a point away for every groin shot, give the foul fighter the choice of where the fight restarts in the center of the octagon, give the victim top position on the ground. What do you think? Obviously, in most cases, the foul is accidental, but has the significant impact on the fight. So another question about refereeing. What can be done about grind shots?

Because I can't remember the exact fight. I think it was the Leo Santos fight. There were several. And at the end of it, the referee, I can't remember who the referee was literally yelled at his opponent. Be like, what are you thinking? I think it's Leon Edwards, yeah. Not Leon. No, no, got it.

Was Goddard? Okay, sorry. Leon Scott was the referee that, not Leon Scott. I can't remember. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. The referee got, like, visibly angry at, like, I think it was the third. foul. No, it was the illegal knee.

Yeah, and it took two points away from what I, if I remember correctly. So, but Shorty, what can be done about groin shots in M.A.? I think that was Mark Goddard, but I know what they told us in the eye muff. Immediately, you get one. That's it. No matter what the foul is, you get one. The next one, you don't get a point deduction. You get disqualified. You know, so for me, I remember I was so nervous in my first championship fight that I threw an inside lake kick and it slid up and my first strike at worlds was a groin shot. I'm like, oh, great, fuck me. So it's one of those things that after they're like, dude, one more time. That's it. So no more

inside lake strikes. So you have to change your game. So if you know a guy's moving in or certain things, just change your game instead of throwing the inside lake kick. All right, now start throwing the left hook or whatever the case may be. So I think once you get warned once, that's it. There's no more obviously in MMA as a professional. It's a little more, you know, crazy when it comes to me. So you want to get point deductions instead of completely disqualified, then the fight's over. So I think after there's, after one warning, that's it, a point deduction, two points, and then you get disqualified. But we say, I believe it was Mark Goddard who refereed that fight. Mark was, even though the guy wanted to take the full five minutes, after every 30 seconds, Mark Goddard was like, how are you feeling?

Cool, trying to kind of bring the guy back in instead of getting that full recovery. So I thought he did a really good job. And I think he, he warned the guy twice. And then the third time, he immediately he took two points. You know, so he skipped the whole one point thing. It went straight to two points. So it's the fact of you've got to have the referees try to force these fighters instead of just waiting on the side and go, hey man, you got five minutes.

Let me know when you want to come back in. Because some guys, I think one of those groin strikes seemed right at the belt line where it seemed like maybe it hit you, maybe it didn't. And the guy took about two and a half minutes until Mark Godder was like, all right, no, no, you seem fine. Let's go back in. You know, so I think that was the Rosarydolle fight. I think it might have been the Moser doll fight in the main event.

as Mark Goddard yelled at both fighters that their corners were still trying to coach them after the growing strike. That, like you said, was kind of on the belt line. But it was, I'm not going to try and argue what hurt and what didn't in a fight. But, Dean, what can be done about growing strikes in Emma? I mean, that's a gray area and a tough problem to solve. Because if you make the punishment too harsh, then you're probably going to start seeing guys faking growing strikes more off. than not and pretending to be hurt more in order to get their opponent punished more. So it's kind of a great area.

I don't actually kind of like the idea of maybe allowing the person to start from the position that they want to start in in order to give them somewhat of an advantage. But it's just such a great area because I know how detrimental growing strikes can be, but at the same time, if you make the punishment too harsh, then you're going to start seeing guys fake in getting growing striked in order to be. allowed our opponent to get punished. Okay, so what do you think? How many points? Well, I mean, I'm sure you guys agree, but like, the problem of growing strikes is like they're,

they're not created equal. I mean, there's deliberate, like, reckless kicks that are just right at the crotch or reckless, you know, teeps that are, you know, right there. But a lot of times, you know, you guys throw leg kicks and both opponents are moving. So it's just one of those things that happen. And it's kind of, like, there's true accidental ones and there's reckless groin kicks, you know? and it's, it's, I would say growing kicks of all the files are probably one of the hardest ones to really figure out. Because, yeah, it's just a bad one, but yeah, I don't have an answer for how to deal with growing kicks. What I recommend is everyone get a metal cup.

Get a steel cup. It will protect you a lot better. Yeah, that might be the answer, maybe to make that mandatory to use a specific cup to help with this, you know, so that it's not as impactful. So, let me ask you, real quick, what's the worst type of groin shot? Because from what I see on TV, it's the grazing ones that go on the side,

the ones where the cup kind of cuts into you a little bit. It's not like the full-on blunt force. Dean has the worst type. Dean has a lot of experience on this. What is the worst type of groin shark you've hit someone with, Dean? Please tell us. No, man.

I will tell you one thing. know, for a lack of better terms, I got kicked in the noodle once. And that was the worst pain I ever felt. I felt like my noodle was being severed. You know how when you put salt on a slug? Sure. You were the slug down there? Yeah.

Jesus. Hey, that's not Pete coming out of that blood. Yeah. So it's, it's, I mean, I would say the under, you know, if you get like straight under and it lifts, I think that's the worst one because then everything goes to your stomach. Oh, it's. But, I mean, for me, I've had a metal cup since I think 2016. And honestly, I've been hitting the groin a bunch of times during fights. And I feel perfectly fine because it's a metal cup.

Like, you end up actually hurting your foot kicking me. You know, actually, I wear a bigger cup on purpose, one that make me look cool. But then, too, if I take someone's back through, that cup is. straight at the lower spine. Oh, I'm such a jerk. Shorty wears his in the club in case girls want to kick him in a ding-ding. Yeah. And I wear it in practice just case Dean is aggressive.

Yeah. Are you wearing one right now, Shorty? I'm wearing one right now. Like, you don't even know. You never know what's under like this area, you know? So I can be wearing a crop top. I can be wearing a crop top. You don't even know.

I just assumed you were wearing a crop top. Yeah. I always wear a crop top. Obviously. Lipstick and crop top and steel cups. That's shorty's right there. I got work right after this. So, you know, the UFC game and MMA game in general, we don't get paid a lot.

So I got work after this. There you go. Wait, since we have two pros right here, I want to, one more groin question I have. When you do get hit hard, what's, from when I talk to other fighters, basically after about 30 seconds, you either are done or you have to fight. Because what I've been told, like, if you get hit hard, you, you, you know, you, you, The only way to really get rid of that pain is to have another man trying to kill you, so you have to concentrate on that.

I don't know. What do you think? Oh, I lose everyone. That's everyone. Oh, yeah, we got a shorty now. There you got to click. Click the video icon. To me?

Yeah, you. Old man technology, you know, sorry, guys. Got to walk across the street sometimes. He's clicked. Don't worry. We'll get your home, pops. Are you still on Wi-Fi from a? Like Starbucks? What's going on?

That hotel Wi-Fi is getting out on them. They're like, man, he's passes his subscription fee. Oh, there I go. There you go. There it is. Oh, man, that's never happened, actually. That was weird. Everything just died.

All right. Well, I guess the universe doesn't want to hear anything about growing shots anymore. Well, we had a good conversation going right when you died, Casey. Jeez. All right. Sorry, go on. Are we live? Yeah, we're live.

Okay. So everyone that, that technical. issues. You can all blame Casey. It's his fault. But Casey, before you died, you said, because we have two professionals on the site right now, I have a question, and then you just crapped out.

So what was your question? Oh, I was like, uh, guys, we, let me change. Oh, hold on. Is everything, okay. He says. So guys, so when, because you're professionals, when you get kicked in the dick

really hard, you know, you get five minutes, but But I've been told basically after about 30 seconds, you know if you can fight or not. And the only way to really get rid of that pain is to basically start fighting. You have the other guy. You need basically that guy to start attacking you so you have to worry about that guy. Otherwise, you're just going to focus on the pain. Is that true?

I don't know. I don't know if that's really true. I mean, the pain is like the thing about getting kicked in the balls is like, sometimes it's a delayed pain and then it just gets worse. and you try to get him out your stomach you go up and down but no I don't know I don't think that

by him attacking you you stop thinking about the pain I think the pain is going to be there it's going to be there I don't think that you know in fact I don't want nobody jumping on me while I'm trying to deal

with my nuts and my guts well he said like after about after about a minute you know because you get five minutes but so after about a minute you know I don't know I was just no no no

It's one of those for like, you ever, you ever been, I mean, hell, even like, flicked. It's just one of those things that's like, oh, that kind of hurt. And then I don't know where a minute later he was like, oh, man, it's okay. It's really starting to kick in. It's a super delayed reaction to certain people. Again, sometimes it might be an immediate reaction. Some people might be a delayed reaction. Some people freaking throw up, you know?

So, and we've seen that in UFC fights. So the guy just couldn't continue to start throwing up. I think after like two or three in the break, no, like, yeah, we think this fight's going to be over. It's like, no, he's after you throw. throws up, he's being a white and his mouth, I'm like, all right, guys, let's go. You know, so it's one of those things that it's different for everybody. I broke my hand and tore my MCO in a fight before,

and I remember breaking my hand going, is it broken feeling a little bit of pain? And then once the next round started, I started getting punched in the face, and I completely forgot about my hand. It was just started throwing my hands again. So it's the fact of some people's bodies react different, adrenaline works in different ways, but a nut shot,

nah, man, that those, those end you, especially if they go inside your guts now. end you. I think it was the Mad Matrione fight. He threw one kick about five seconds in. Low-blowed the guy and the fight was a rap. I couldn't fight anymore. That was like February 2019, 2018, I can't remember his name. But

I do remember that fight. It's Heritana, right? I think so. Yeah. And I asked if, because that was one of those, they had the back-to-back fights. They had fights like Thursday, Friday or Friday, Saturday. I was like, could they just rebook that fight for the next day? Because that fight,

what was that fight being? talked about Joe Son getting, who's the guy that punched him 12 times? Keep Hackey? Yeah, Keith Hackey, punched the guy named Joe Son 12 times in the dick before he let go. So again, everybody's reaction is different, you know? So that guy, I need to take his martial arts. It's called Joe Sound Doe. Look it up, Google it.

So he might get famous. But it's one of those things that, hey, maybe I can take a nutshot and be better prepared in my fights. Dean, we're going to start practicing. Let's go. No problem. Foot stops and groin shots. There you go.

from Corey T. Bear on the site, top contender legend fights. I've always wanted to see Jose Aldo versus Dominic Cruz, like we just talked about. Ever since Aldo dropped down there, both coming off a loss on a title fight, both can stay in title contention with match up with title implication.

Long-time listener, love the show. Shorty, what are some legend fights you want to see that we can now see in the year 2020 or 2021? Oh, man. Now this makes me think. I mean, Joseo Aldo has a lot of opportunities. You know, Jose Aldo versus Dominic Cruz, I think it'd be fun to see him fight Cups Watson again since that was only, what, like a 10-second fight?

You never know if that would have gone different. Hell, even Connor McGregor versus Jose Aldo, too, would be a phenomenal fight. What if that fight went past the first round? They both have a poor gas tank. You know, whose poor gas tank is better? You know, so I think, honestly, that would be a phenomenal fight. But, you know, Jose Aldo has a lot of opportunity for those fights. And, man, I'm trying to think maybe even Kabib, you know, bumping up a way.

class, you know, and going to fight those guys at 170. You know, who's, who's the 170 pound champ? Camaro. Yeah, so, you know, maybe seeing him, you know, wrestler versus wrestler, but then you have a Sambol style, you know, so that would be an extremely interesting match. Maybe it ends up being like Kobe Camaro where they end up saying, screw this, we're just going to box the entire fight, you know, who's boxing better. So, you know, there's a lot of fantasy fights.

I'm trying to think. What's Francis Brown versus everybody? Tell you one that I've been asking for forever is I've always wanted to see Cruz versus Frankie Edgar, two of the people with some of the best for work I've ever seen in May. And I want to see Aldo run it back against your eye favor of 135. Their first five was at 145. Dean, any other legend fights you want to see in the UFC or not, not even just the UFC? Well, I mean, legend fights is a tough thing to say, but in terms of like, because it's different from fantasy fights. So in terms, I don't know about legend fights, but fantasy fights, I would like to see Aldo run in back with Connor.

and in terms of fantasy fights, I'd like to see John Jones and Francis. I just think that that's the fight to make because I think they both have present each other challenges that they've never faced before, and I'd like to see how they deal with them. Casey, what about you? Cyborg versus Nunes.

I want to see that one run back. Part two? Yeah, part two. I like it. I think you've, oh, you're on froze. There you go. Yeah, that 100% that, that's, that's, fights to happen eventually. Lightning round. So quick answer. What happens to the winner of tonight's

main event? Maybe Max? Shorty. Cater versus Danny Gay, whoever wins fights Max? Cater, I think, yeah, should fight. It's a top contender fight. It's being headlined for a reason. And Max Holloway needs a couple wins to get back up to title contention. He technically lost twice in the champion. He needs definitely more than want to get back to it. Dean, what do you say? Yeah, it seems like that's the fight to kind of make sense. But yeah, and I would love to see Cater versus Max. I mean, that would be amazing fight. I think Calvin Cater's

boxing is so underrated. Oh, yeah. I'll watch that cat his pads for an hour, and I'll find enjoyment out of it. Yeah, he can box. Do you think Oriol will fight again soon? Maybe it'll be against Colby or Edwards. Dean, what do you say? I'm hoping he fights

Colby. I think that makes sense. And if that's not the fight to happen, I think he should get a rematch with Usman. Interesting. just because it was on short notice? No, just because I think he's still, I think he presents the biggest challenge to Usman right now. Interesting. Shorty, your thoughts?

I think he's fight Kobe. I think that fight makes sense when it comes to the rankings and just the feud. You know, George has, or Jorge, has pretty much all the hype behind them. I think this is just a fan-intertaining fight. We saw Kobe fight Kamar Usman and how big Kobe was able to bring the crowd about, you know, whether they liked him or he did him,

want to win or lose. I think it'd be the same thing against George. I like both, I like that fight. He's very adamant. He's not going to fight, quote, unquote, the fragile guy with the MAGA hat. Colby's already said he's... If you pay him right, he'll do it in six-day notice. Colby says he's pretty interested in a Tyron Woodley fight,

and Leon Edwards and Ori Mazdol gotten a dust-up backstage of London. So any of those four fights I'm all about. Colby versus Mazvado for the BMF championship. Sell it like that. There you go. Who's next for Amanda Hebas, hashtag the Atec from the Seaside. Dean, who do you want to see Amanda Hebas fight next? Wow, I mean, she's so talented.

I used to love being around her in the gym, and she's such a pleasure to be around. You know, maybe... She called for the winner of Carlos Sparza and Marina Rodriguez or Michelle Watterson, but Michelle Watterson has a fight with Angela Hill already lined up. Well, I was going to say Angela Hill maybe would be an interesting matchup. But, yeah, I think any of those make sense for her. Shorty? Yeah, I'm going to say the same, you know, it's one of those things that that division is pretty well.

rounded and for her she's been doing her thing what is she 4-0 right now in the UFC something like that so she's been pushing the pace and being some phenomenal fighters again she bumped up this way class to beat page van Zanzan she's going to go back down and fight whoever's next I think her against a skilled veteran Angela Hill or Michelle Waterson would be awesome

maybe she gets the winner of that Casey Hebas versus Yohanna I like that fight I love vets versus prospects and I think you just you you see where they're at but but dude oh but the i know it's supposed to be lightning round but what is it like being in the gym with um amanda amanda amanda she seems like there's just the most i i absolutely love her as a fighter i just love her personality and it's like is she is she is that

her in the gym when you're you're grinding out rounds everyone's exhausted and she's still like hello you know what does she pretty much well she comes in that way but i mean she trains really hard She's really focused and dedicated on her craft. And she's, I mean, whoever is working with her is lucky to have someone like that because she's very positive all the time. She's just, she's just a sweet girl. I mean, obviously when she's training, she's not all bubbly because she's so focused on what she's doing. But before and after, she's that girl.

That's great, man. From Dan Shapiro on Twitter, if Burns fights Usman for the title, where do the chances the UFC uses the opportunity to tell and sell the story of a world-class athlete fighting and beating COVID en route to a title shot. Hashtag the A-side. P.S. Hope Dean and Gilbert are healthy and recovering well. Dean, is that a good storyline for the UFC to sell of a fighter overcoming COVID en route to a title shot?

Not really. I don't think so. I think that's kind of a cheesy way to sell that. I mean, because, you know, like if his conditions weren't that bad, unless he was in the hospital on a respirator, then I think that maybe that's a different story, but it's a cheesy way to sell a fight. And thank you very much, Dan Shapiro, for the wishes. I'm doing air push-ups right now.

Shorty, is that a weird narrative to sell? It's a weird narrative to sell, but I believe they're going to do it. I mean, you look at, oh, man, I feel bad for now, remember, but the guy who lost his daughter, you know, it's like, they literally headline that throughout the whole fight. You know how much stress that stuff is? Like, dude, it's literally, you're going to, you're reminding. in this guy every single day while you're filming them while you're fighting and then that's

headlines in the fight so everyone obviously wants them to win they're going to root they're going to watch cool that's great but what's the stress taken out on this guy given i know covid is not the same thing because gobert burns is perfectly fine but it's one of those things that in oh is he i don't know he's not like hospital sick but sorry he's not hospital sick but he he definitely we we have an interview coming up tomorrow he definitely said he felt it it really affected him, but not hospital sick yet, but yeah. Sorry. You know, so that's the thing. Unless he was in the hospital and on a respirator and all these crazy things, I don't see it being, you know, sellable, but I can see the UFC doing

it as like a big, you know, leading up to the fight type of thing. And I believe they'll probably even make a documentary of, you know, the UFC being the first promotion in the world, you know, to come back after all this COVID. I think that's 100% going to happen. When I was in Jacksonville for all the fights, the UFC PR was like, y'all are going to be in a documentary at some point, like 30 for 30 like the fighters the media members everyone that to go through this ordeal yeah if you think you can sell it they're going to make it and that's and that's you know that that's what i see whether it's good bad cheesier or not if they can sell they got it all right two more questions from aaron underscore 1988 what is dana's problem with alzermaine sterling will do anything

to avoid naming him as the rifle next challenger possibly something to do with speaking out on fighter pay before hashtag the a side so yeah interesting i know there's a rapid fire one but Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious Al Jardemaine Sterling is the normal contender at 135 pounds in the UFC. And Dana keeps saying, we'll see. I haven't thought about it. He seems to be the only one saying that. So, Dean, what is Dana's problem with Al Jolmaine Sterling to answer this question? I don't think he has a problem.

But I think that, you know, Dana, every time Dana says something, he's scrutinized for what he says and he has to always go back on what he says, because the reality is that, you know, if Henry Sehudo comes back, Henry Sehudo's getting that title shot. So he can't really just say, oh, Al Jermaine is getting it next and then have to go back on. on that if Henry Sehudo wants to come back. So he's going to make sure that is definite before he gives Al Jermaine that shot. Well said. Charity, anything you want to add to that? I think it's based on the numbers.

You know, everything lately has been on pretty much who's more popular. You know, who has this, who has more views, who's going to sell the tickets? And Al Jermaine Sterling might not be the most popular guy in the world, but he's definitely 100% the most deserving of the title shot. Do I believe he deserves it? Yes. Do I believe he can win? Yes.

It is a tough fight, but I believe he has a really good chance. but right now I just I don't see it happen anytime soon if Henry Suhudo comes back they're going to have that unless they have this they'll probably make Al Jermaine Sterling fight another top five guy or even top three guy for that matter just to get the title shot doesn't matter how well he performed against Corey Sanhagen they're probably going to give him another one just to build off more hype to make it possibly a more popular fight case anything you want to add I think uh yeah he should get the title shot if he doesn't get title shot it should be actually I think Marrott's actually I think Marr Marais is a forgotten guy. He beat Otto. He gave Sudha a weapon before he lost that belt, but before he lost the fight. I mean, I think Monomerides is an amazing band-in-weight. He was also already scheduled to fight Yon.

Yeah, yeah, they have a written contract. Those guys are supposed to fight already before the pandemic. So it's weird. All right. And final question. Better UFC debut. Jerry Parahaska or Michelle Paheda. What is Parahaska?

in the light heavyweight division. Casey, better UFC debut. Paraska or Perjada? Oh, Baraska, absolutely. Who to Pereira? Who is his debut against? Danny Roberts, right? Yeah, I mean, Danny Roberts wasn't a top 20 guy.

I mean, Danny Robbins is obviously very talented, but he wasn't, no, he wasn't a former title contender. What Yeree did was amazing. So, yeah, Yuri. I don't think anyone's come in. No one's going to be Anderson Silva's MMA UFC debut. No one's ever going to be that. Justin Gagee.

No. That's the best at UFC debut I've ever seen. Fight of the year. That was the most exciting UFC debut. But to come against Chris Lieben, and remember Anderson's if I forgot the title shot based on that performance. That's why. Yeah.

The answer is, Brinchke. How did he say his last name again? Eric Pajasca, sorry. Jordan, what do you think? I go Praska. You know, he fought a top 20 guy. He did his thing and performed really, really well. He has a resume behind them.

and I think overall he's going to move much far than his career much faster, but I think when it comes to the U.S. debut, he put on a hell of performance. Dean? Yeah, same thing. I got to go and just, you know, say the same thing that Prowaska did his thing and against a very popular guy. So you got to give him the nod on that one. Yeah, I think knocking out former title challenger is always going to put you a step above.

But Casey, that's all of all the questions we got? Yeah, I mean, we have lots of YouTube questions, but, um, sorry. We've gone ten minutes over. Who follows you, too? Yeah, right. But they try so hard. They ask how many questions? Let me get one person's question.

There we go. We got time. Please, let it be about Dean. Come behind, let it be about Dean. Oh, no. You can talk amongst yourselves. So, Dean, how many air push-ups have you been doing today? I can only do 20.

It's tough, man. You know, 50, 50, 50? No, I do 20 at a time. How do you do laundry stuck in a hotel? I don't. I haven't. I ain't going to go from it. I ain't showered for the first four days. The good news is I lost my smell so it didn't matter.

Yeah, so the crazy thing is, what Deed says this, nothing has changed. He's just now in a different place. I say he's just now in his hotel room. So look at it. It's the same thing. You literally are in your room doing interviews all day, not showering, not changing,

eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. It's the same routine. and the same amount of air push-ups, which is the craziest thing. So, yeah, no, nothing's changed. He's perfect about it. From Joe Joseph Bose on YouTube. LOL on 9 days notice, we found out that Bellator is back with Belator 242.

Ricky Bend-Dehouse versus Sergio Pettis, your thoughts. So, guys, yes, we talk about UFC all the time. Yeah. Sure, you're not a UFC fighter. You're a brave fighter, and now we're having a Belator question. So what are your thoughts on Belator coming back with Ben Dei-Hau? versus Sergio Pettis. Sergio Pettis is, of course.

This is your weight class, Shorty. So what do you think? I've actually trained with both of them, Ricky down at the American Top Team, and Sergio Pettis up at Rufus Sport. They're both phenomenal fighters. I'm going to give the slight edge of Sergio Pettus, but Ricky's been able to come back

in almost every single fight. I believe in every fight that he's won in those crazy knockouts, he's literally been losing. And then out of nowhere, you know, spinning back to somebody or, you know, randomly hooks him backward. You know, he does crazy unorthodox things.

And I think that's what's going to be his advantage in the fight against Sergio because he is so technical. But, you know, a lot of people make it underrated. Sergio Pettis's jiu-tissu is actually really, really good. So he is a very well-rounded fighter. I don't know if Ricky Ben Nathouse is going to be able to withstand that on the ground as well. I mean, my game planning against Sergio would be, I'm not going to brawl with this guy. I need to push him to the fence and take him down and then work off the top and push that gas tank. So hopefully he starts to die out in the second and third round.

Maybe Ricky's going to do that. But again, I know Sergio, you know, from personal experience, he's prepared for that and he's ready to work off his back as well. So, and I think that's a very close fight. I think it's a much deserving fight, especially for Ricky, you know, being James Gallagher and all these guys coming up. I think it's also for him to finally have a headlining fight. So I think it's an amazing start for Bellator. Dean, one of your thoughts. Yeah.

So I trained Chris Calades to fight Sergio Pettis. And the game plan was get him down and wear him out. Turns out Sergio was better than him on the ground. was like, oh. Yeah, so, you know, Sergio's a really good fighter. But if anybody's good at spoiling the party, that's a guy like Ricky Bandejas. So he's good at spoiling the party.

So it is an interesting matchup. And, you know, all I can say is it's going to be fun to watch. This isn't a five-round fight, right? Casey Bellator doesn't do five-round. No, their main event were still three rounds for non-tattle fights. Oh, well, I wish this was five-round fight. But both do you guys agree that, like, the way the Sehudo fought Pet is is the way to beat him. Just take him down and, like, wear him out.

Yeah, but here's the one. the thing when Suhudo took him down, he was pretty much forcing Sergio to wrestle. He was making Sergio stay in referees position instead of working off his back and working to Jiu-Jitsu. He pretty much would take him down and let him kind of get a little bit of room to get back to referee's position to try to stand up. And that's all Henry Suhudo did was just kind of lay on and put the pressure on his shoulders. And any time he got up, he picked him up, brought him back down and kept him in referee's position the entire time, or if not side-mount. So there wasn't really much room for him to attack. But Ricky, you never know what type of taking him.

he has. He is a longer individual. Maybe he's able to get a body lock. Maybe he does trips and sweeps. But it just depends on what he's trying to do with Sergio. Sergio is very good, both on the inside and outside. I think he's a little bit better when it comes to his overall stand-up skill, you know, compared to his brother because he is used to doing all the things with his brother and learning a little more and starting at a younger age. So I think it's a it's a great fight for both. I'm going to give the slight edge to Sergio. But like Dean said, the spoiler party has been Ricky all day every day. I love this.

Is that the last question, Casey? We can keep going. I mean, it's up to these, gentlemen. I mean, Dean don't have anything to do. He ain't going anywhere. I'm not going nowhere. All right, wait, hold on. You're just going to see a Peter Bunny jelly sandwich

just come out of the camera. At a glass of milk. Yeah. Okay, actually, we've gotten a few variations of this question, but Volk max 3 should happen. So I'll use this to ask both of you guys. How did you score Alexander Volcanov or Max Holloway?

Dean? Well, so when I was watching it, I wasn't playing all that close attention to it to score a round by round the way that should be done. So I can't really go back and say that I thought Max was robbed. But when I was watching, I was thinking that Max was in control. And I thought he won. You know, just like, you know, not paying close attention. It just looked like he was winning. So I'm going to that he won the fight, but should three happen? I think that's a bit disrespectful to Max right now and everybody else in the division

because now you are undermining Max as a champion, or not Max, but Vulcan is the champion and saying, you know what, we know that you lost that fight. In his mind, he won that fight. And in the judge's mind, he won that fight. And based on the rules of what we have, he won that fight. He's 2-0 against Max right now.

So, you know, I think he should probably get another opponent first before he fights Max again. Shorty? Yeah, Dean, Dean was too busy. He was playing words of friends or words on that scrabble and then doing air push-ups. So he was working hard, you know, working the brain and he's just physical. He's a champion. Anyways, so I actually watched the fight.

I did pay attention. I don't have, I like games where, you know, anyways. I was covered. Yeah, he was coming. So I gave it Max Holloway 3-2. I think Wokonowski was able to push it towards the end, but I thought it was a little too late. Was it a close fight? Yes, but I still gave it three to two to max. I don't believe it was a split decision, but again, the judges look at it the way it did. I'm glad I'm not a judge and have to

deal with all the backlash at a late bird. But, you know, it's one of those things that technically record-wise, he lost twice. I believe he should fight two more times to prove that he's still, you know, one of the greatest featherweight to all the time and then just get back to it to a title fight, whether it's Wolfenowski still or someone new. This kind of reminds me of the Frank Eyer, Benson Henderson fights. Like that first fight was so close. And then the rematch, a lot of people think Frankie won. And Frankie kind of threw his hat in the air and says,

what do I have to do to get that second judge to give me this in the favor? Anyway. Casey, what do you think? I don't mind the trilogy, but I know ain't going to happen. So I'm going to suggest another fight that's even more doubtful to happen. Connor McGregor versus Max Holloway 2 at 155. I wish. Yeah, I know. It ain't going to happen.

And I think Max Holloway is already a top, I think he's a top five lightweight. I mean, he was only, he was so close. Him in that Poirier fight was, it was, I mean, he wasn't, Poirier, though, put a beating on him, but they both took a beating. So I think Max is a top lightweight too. So, yeah, Max versus Connor. Ain't going to happen, though. All right, one last question.

Dean, you got pineapple jelly over there? I don't, man. I got regular jelly. I had them bring the regular jelly this time. I've never had pineapple jelly. I'm not the only one. All right. Bacon shit.

Shorty, is like, this is the blackest thing I ever seen. Pineapple jelly. Dude, I went in the fridge. I'm like, man, I'm having a crate. Because I always had peanut butter sandwiches. I'm like, oh, I'm having a crib of something sweet. I'll find some jelly. I'm looking in the fridge.

I'm like, what's this, like, yellow, like, jelly-looking thing? And I was like, pineapple jelly. This is the blackest thing I've ever seen. I'm Latino, so I've never heard of pineapple jelly. Like you just said, which thank you for clarified. I appreciate that. But, yeah, no, it's, yeah, I never, I just know that was a thing. I'm tropical.

You know it. Because you live in Florida. It doesn't make you tropical. You're from PSO. I'm tropical, he says. Casey, what was that question I saw? Final question. And the most important one, you know, you know what's coming up, Jose.

Yep. Dean's ice cream choice. So I will preface this with this. We've had this question. Did we ask you this shortly about the hand-canic? No. So I will ask you, that amaz me, because we've asked almost all of our guests since we got that. This is a very important question.

I'm not important. It's usually the first question we get, but we'll close it with this. So I'll start with Dean. In this fictional world, I'm going to lay this scenario out, in a world where you can solve world hunger with a Mega Man-style hand cannon on your arm that can shoot one flavor of ice cream, what flavor are you picking to solve world hunger? And keep in mind, this flavor, rather than cookies and cream. And keep in mind, this is not a continuous stream like soft serve.

This is like one shot, like it's scoop flavored, not soft serve. You're going cookies and cream? Cookies and cream. That is the correct answer. Shorty, what is your answer? I second cookies and cream. This is why Dean and I get along. That's all we do after practice is rehydrate with cookies and cream ice cream.

So if everybody wants to sponsor us, that would be amazing. And pineapple jelly, if you guys both. whole team company make pineapple jelly. You know, that would be great. But, uh, these get all excited over there. But, oh, so, um, yeah, man, I cook as a cream all day, every day. That is the correct. What was your answer, Casey?

You were you wrong, right? I think I had pistachio or chocolate chip mint. No, I'm not. These is, uh, huh? Those are too bad, man. What type of jelly is a good? That's a great, that's a great choice. That's a good cream is the correct choice.

by cookie dough or chocolate fudge brownie. Because my argument is if you're solving world hunger, you need an ice cream flavor with, like, things in it. So you can fill up more. It's less ice cream. That's what I'm saying. And cookies is the best thing you can have in it. Dean, Dean was so disgusted by the chocolate man.

Casey, what's, what jelly flavor do you put on your peanut butter and jelly sandwich? Let's see Dean's face. Ready? I want to, I'm very interested in this pineapple jelly. Oh, yeah. I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, I'm very in. I'm very interested in it. What joey do you have in your friend now, though?

As long as you say orange marmalade, we're good. My God. Anyways, that all the questions we got, Casey? That's it. Well, as always, the guest of honors of the show gets a final say. Shorty, I'll start with you. Anything you want to say to our, you know the drill, anything you want to say to our lovely listeners?

I don't have a crystal yet. I'm still waiting for that. It was like my sixth show? I'm surprised I haven't been like... We're on it. I haven't been paid. I haven't received a crystal. I think I actually lost followers.

No, I just want to give a shout out to everyone surviving COVID. Great for you guys. Dean, love you. And I see you soon. Growing shots of foot stomps. Don't belittle those guys. Everybody gets one. But, no, man, I appreciate a lot of support.

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Go to my foundation to help people. So I really appreciate all sports, TeamShortier.com. Hans, I'm still waiting to get sponsored by Monster. I love you. That's like, I think it's five episodes ago. I brought this up. Yep, yep. I'm telling you, it's, it's, I'm doing all my shoutouts now.

Dean, do you have anything, dude? Yeah, the first thing I'm going to do when I see you, shorthy, is I'm going to spit right in your mouth, all right? Good, Lord. So hopefully, I hope you're prepared for this. More? Yeah, more, I'm going to spit right in your mouth. But please follow me on Instagram and Twitter at Dean Thomas.

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to push something you need. Anyway, Casey, anything you want to say? No, just wait. Thank you to Mr. Shorty Torres and thank you, Mr. Thomas, for joining us today and thank you for everyone.

We're taking time out of your day to listen to us, talk about hitting people in the dick. Dean's stay safe out there. I hope you get home soon. No one wants to get stuck in that hall. in the holiday. No one wants to get stuck in there for long in the two weeks. I just want to say, I want to see videos

of people trying pineapple jelly. And just like I need, I need to see this. Tweet all of us your thoughts on pineapple jelly, because I've never heard of it until about five minutes ago. I hate pineapple to begin with, so I probably won't try it. So someone telling me how it is. But for Jose, that's Jose. That's Dean. That's Casey. We'll be back next Wednesday. Fights today. Media day tomorrow. Wayans Friday. More fights Saturday.

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