MMA Fighting - The A-Side live Chat | Kamaru Usman vs. Colby Covington, Max Holloway vs. Alexander Volkanovski, Amanda Nunes vs. Germaine de Randamie, UFC on ESPN 7 fallout, more

Episode Date: December 14, 2019

For this episode, José Youngs and E. Casey Leyon Discuss Jairzinho Rozenstruik‘s violent knockout of Alistair Overeem, UFC welterweight champion Kamaru Usman’s upcoming title defense against Colby Covington, featherweight champion Max Holloway’s title fight against Alexander Volkanovski, bantamweight champion Amanda Nunes’ rematch against Germain de Randemie, Jose Aldo’s cut down to 135-pounds against Marlon Moraes, Urijah Faber’s return against Petr Yan, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Hello, everyone. Joseoonged at animefighting.com for another episode of what you call it the last time we did Extra Live, A-Side. We are here on the scene in Las Vegas. This is obviously Casey Live and camera next door in there. Esther Lynn is behind the camera. She's going to be asking questions. You've seen this before.

We've done it with Anthony Walker. We've done it with Danny Seguera at UFC 244. But we're here at UFC 245 Fight Week. You can see the T-Mobile Arena in the window behind us. You all can't, but we can't, but we promise you it's there. Fight week, blog week. Right week blog week. For all the old school,

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All right. Well, anyway, I'm Jose. This is Casey. That's Esther. We're here for another extra live episode of the A-side live chat for people just tuning in. As always, this is not our podcast. This is your podcast.

You can ask questions in the comment section. you can use hashtag the A side on Twitter. We'll talk about fist fighting. We'll talk about black flag. We'll talk about punk music in general. We'll talk about crystals. You talk about how he likes the Watchman show and I haven't seen it yet. We'll talk about whatever you want.

So, Esther, any good questions? I'm sure there's good questions. The A and A side stands for Crystal. The A and A side stands for... What are you drinking in there? Ah. Coffee. Coffee.

Coffee. It's terrible decaf coffee. I get headaches if I drink caffeine. I get headaches if I don't drink caffeine. I get headaches. I know. I don't know they. Uh-huh.

That's the first question? Come on. Um, so. No, the first question is, how do you feel about, this is from Grin N? From Grin N. A long time commenter. How do you feel about Dan Mergliata coaching Struve to continue after the second low blow in his fight with Rothwell and suggest that Struve was up on the scorecards?

I personally found that very inappropriate and think a ref's only concern should be fighter safety. Yeah, so Casey, you were there for the UFC on ESPN 7 car in Washington, D.C. When Stefan Struve got, what, double nut kits by Ben Rothwell and he was playing on the ground? I read about that and I saw some video of it, but at the time, I was just literally rolling on the ground laughing at the yay boo thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that really is the thing that we need to talk about.

Sure. Not some refting coaching. Yeah, yeah, you shouldn't know. We know he's not supposed to do that. Yeah, he shouldn't have done that. But what did Struve said? I think should comment on it. Struve said to stop giving Dan Merle out of grief because he's comment,

he's what, refereed him enough times. He's a good ref. And I think there was a, he, like, showed a picture of he had a come from behind win. And in the past, Dan Murgliata has let fight. His fights go on longer than people should, and he's won. So I can't remember what the fight was, but he goes, leave him alone. If he wasn't my referect for this fight, I never would have had this incredible come from behind win. Yeah, one misprey.

Dan was a good, Dan was a good. So basically he was defending Dan Mergliata. Yeah, because he wasn't going to pull, he wasn't going to, Dan shouldn't have done it. There's a lot of shouldn't have done. you know in this sport you shouldn't have done it and um yeah he he he's supposed he's supposed to the whole you see it all the time guys guys get kicked a nut nuts and then they're like hey you go to that corner because you know their coaches are telling him hey rest or whatever or you know no bow out or you know so that's that's all he should be saying she's saying how much time you got go to this opposite side

of the cage so you can't you can't communicate with the corner that's all you shouldn't have said um no you shouldn't done it that's all yeah and stephen's true said that it's not the end of the world like it's not like we're gonna mazegadium or something yeah it was just what a lot of fighters said it was like because i was doing twitter reacts for that for the site like twitter reacts to all the fights and a lot of fighters were like wait did the referee just tell him that he could he should keep fighting because he could probably coast to a win and a lot of fighters thought it was inappropriate um but stephen struv eventually said he didn't really care because nine out he said nine out of ten fighters i believe our own a k lee interview

him like the next day or so. He said nine out of ten fighters would have continued fighting anyway, even if Dan Mergley-Otti didn't give him that pep talk. So at the end of the day, he didn't really care. Yeah. Because it's unfortunate that happened. But he said the rules kind of screwed him because it was like two low blows. Like that could have been a DQ, I guess.

I'm not sure. But he said nine out of ten fighters would have continued on even if Dan Merkley-I didn't say anything. He said he would have kept fighting even if Dan didn't say anything. Yeah. That's pretty much. Yeah. But I mean, but what is you've got to?

I say, oh, I was about, I was about to say, no, I'm done. I was going to say, no, Maas, my balls are gone. Or, you know, I'm going to fight. What a weird scenario where, what, how many people in that arena, you think? Yeah, 15,000. 15,000 people are cheering about your testicles. Not, well, half are cheering, half are booing. And then they got USA chance going.

Incredibly cruel, but very funny. Cruel but funny. It's a new meme. Yeah. Make that a meme. in MMA 2020. Yeah, I'm not all about the nationality chance during fights, but I don't know. That might take the exception.

What other nationality chance do we get besides USA? Oh, there are. There are none. It's only USA, and it's usually when sometimes not even American fight. Like, it could be a Canadian versus a Brazilian, and they'll still just like chant USA for the white guy. Has there been, Esther, you're in the arena more than I am. Have they been like Brazil or Mexico chance?

Like actually just saying the name of the country? No. No. No one chance Mexico, Mexico. They chant like, sometimes. Really? I've never seen it in UFC or MMA or Boston.

I've seen it. Hmm. So, okay. So, but it's not in the regular, right? It's just, it's weird. Yeah. And so, yeah, it's weird. I never heard a Canada chant.

Canada. Canada is, uh, it works. Well, I don't know. So basically you asked about the ref coaching Strove and our answer is more USA chance when fighters get, when opposing fighters get kicked in the balls. That's our answer. There you go.

All right. Next question. This is from Valentino. You just make it up. Just make up this following. With the recent comments Colby has made about Dana and seeing Dana's response at the previous press, I think if Colby loses to Usman, Dana will cut him.

He seemed very mad. Colby has made more comments this week. Do you think they will release him, big fan, from Australia? So the question was, is Colby going to get Liz Carmuched? Basically, lose the title fight, you're out. No. No. No way.

Colby Compton has carved himself in a niche that love him or hate. I'm like, people are interested in what he has to say now. Like he said himself that so supposedly what was the show he was on he did like that sit-down interview. Candice. He said that before the day in my play. It was like his last on his contract and the UFC wanted to cut him. They told him like winner-lews were going to cut you. So then he started to do that stick like where he called Brazil a bunch of dirty animals or whatever you call him,

whatever you called him. And people called him racist and that got him talking in the very next fight he fought Hot Phael Dosano. I was another Brazilian. And he had that boomerang thrown at him by Breed. over Doom. So that promo got a lot of eyeballs on him. There's absolutely zero chance that UFC actually said if you win this fight, we're still going to cut you. It's just a zero chance that happened. And like now, now we believe everything Kobe says. Kobe's still selling the fight. That's all he's doing. I mean,

he even, he even breaks K-Faid during, during scrums all the time, which sucks because you're not supposed to do that. Come on, man. When I saw that Candace Owen's clip where he was talking about how like this, I had, I did this like promo or whatever. All I could think of was, uh, Chal Sondon getting upset for like, like, what is it pulling the curtain behind the business and stuff like that, uh, breaking K-fave. So wasn't a fan of that, uh, even Henry Sohudo himself, Henry Sohudo has done that too where he's like, I'm not this, I'm like,

I'm like, me turned up. I'm like, don't say that. Make people believe. Like live the gimmick. So, but it was a, I know, if he's steer into it. So the question was, Kobe get cut. loses, no. No.

Absolutely not. No, he won't get cut for his performance. There's going to be it. Now, he may say something completely wrong, like, just bad. He thinks you should not say. That may happen.

But independent of the actual punching someone, no, he's good for a while. No, yeah. Because there's a lot of fighters, like, people want to see him fight Mosvudal, people want to see him fight.

Unfortunately, Ben Ashton was not retired. I'm sure people would want to see him fight Ben Asker. There's people that people want Colby to see fight. Dude, who knows if Kobe gets his ass kick and Ben's out there and they can throw some money at Ben, who the heck knows? That fight's still on the table. Ben's still on earth.

He's not, he didn't leave, you know, so we're good. Well, he said he's getting hip surgery and he doesn't want to coach him anymore. Only Macy Barber. That's what Ben Asper said. He doesn't want to coach him? No. He's like, he's only going to do wrestling. He's not going to work with Rufus or anything.

He's going to coach Macy Barber. that that's about it. If you get a big bags of money changes your thing, changes your ideals. That is true. That is for true. Okay. From strike.mx.

If Joseo Aldo is able to win a belt at 135, big if. The biggest if has ever been. That's what it says actually. It says big if. I didn't add that. How big is the big if? I mean, did they like change the font? It's like, cover something.

in parentheses needs be bigger okay where would that put him in the all-time greats discussion and will it help him recover from some of the damage that the Connor K.O did to his legacy if Jose wins the bantamite title it would certainly I already considered Jose Al the one of the greatest fighters of all time it didn't destroy his legacy he lost a fight that's that's BS he lost everyone everyone lost I mean it's like it's like destroy his legacy sure destroy his legacy it's like no yeah lost doesn't like Ronda is still one of the greatest parts of all time, and she got head kicked and then knocked out in her next five.

But did it distort? I think the actions after destroyed her legacy more than getting knocked out. But even then, that's not the end of the world. Like, Jose Alba lost him. He didn't make any... You know, you know what can destroy his legacy is the fact that we're reading this question, the fact that the greatest featherweight of our time is going to a weight class he should not be at. And he's facing probably the second best bantam weight in the world.

in a very violent bantam weight. And he's facing that guy and coming in as a skeleton. This weekend is going to have more effect on his legacy, I think, than anything else. I think it's almost like when BJ went down to 45 and started taking those horrible fights on there. Those started killing his legacy.

It's like those continually, those losses in different weight classes afterwards, those are going to hurt his legacy. This fight, if he gets, if he gets, doesn't make weight, and just gets demolished by Marlin, which I can't, which, whatever, we'll see what happens. This will affect his legacy much more than the Connor loss would. Yeah, I have shades of, well, remember when Diego Sanchez went down to featherweight,

and he's like, I'm going to reinvent myself and this and that, and then he came up short once he got out of the Alvis, tried to go down the lightweight on New York. Even, you knew he fought when Diego went down to 45? He fought with Kar-Lama. A guy who was in the top five at the time. Like, I just don't, this is incredible, these guys. he wasn't even a top five lightweight. And so he goes to featherweight

and goes even higher in the ranking somehow. This Diego Sanchez. Yeah. And so I just... Even Jose Otto, he just loses Volcanozzi. He's like, at the time, ranked in the top five. Maybe he's like, it's two now, whatever.

But, but I, but like, he's going down, so Otto's going down on weight class and fighting a guy that's arguably higher in the rankings than his previous opponent. Yeah. So like, now if Jose is,

auto was coming down to 35 and facing name a guy in the top 30 i don't know i'm jimmy riverr no i'm jimmy rickie simone no who's whoever rickie simone beat in his third fight in ufc whoever that guy was rani yaha rana yaya rana yaya that's a good one all right if you was just fighting ron yaya yes i'll be okay i could i could see that you know it's just like as the test but going against marlin marius you remember what marloreas did to actually remember the first round he did Remember the last three fights that got in that title fight? He was crumbling people. Yeah.

He was putting people. He was melting people. Mounting people. Like if he fought like John Dodson. At Bantamway. Like I pulled up the top 15 of Vantzor. Like Casey Kenny. I'm talking guys who are lower ranks.

I'm talking about top, like whoever's rank number 30. Okay. And guys we just can't think the name of right now. But if he fought Brian Kerouet. yeah someone like that like actually i would love him to fight a strong grappler like a yaya uh-huh hairway um like all the there's so many 35ers like i watch a damesport for living i can't think of any because like there's so many you know well even that's what cody saman said and your scrum with i was it the pre i think it was the the pre-fight media day

scrum where he's like i think outside of 155 135 was the deepest class and that's not because of talent it's just more people look at 150s because it's like the average size human, but 135 is just as stacked as 155 is said. I don't know if I agree with that. I think 155 pounds is the most stacked division in the UFC. Featherweight's looking real great too right now, but Ben White is way up there. So to answer your question, striker MX 69 Cage Warrior. No.

It won't affect his legacy at all. Well, if he wins, it was if he wins. if he wins a championship 135 pounds he's what is he go from the top five 10 fighters of all time to like top five fighters of all time with that's so that's so distant it's not even worth talking i want to see if you mix weight first this loss what this loss and this weekend could affect his legacy more than the auto fight i want to i want to more than the mcgregor fight what you said more than the aldo fight whatever i said sure yeah i want to see him make weight first because he's not looking great from those

even he makes weight i mean well i want to see him make weight i mean well i want to I want to see if he makes weight, like say he makes weight and then he goes, I don't know if I can do this again. Yeah, so I'm saying. Like, Chris Seiberg always said this. Chris Seiberg said, I can make 135 pounds. I just can't show up and fight like Cyborg the next day. And I think, like, Otto is going to make 100. I doubt, I mean, I think he's going to make 135, 136, but it's how he looks Saturday night walking to that cage.

And if he fights Sehudo, he would have to 1.35 and does he have, could his body handle five rounds after that weight cut? Because this is only three-round fight. Could his body handle that one extra pound going to one-thirty-five and two more rounds? It's a lot of questions. Pay your $60 and watch it on pay-per-view to find out. And now, Connor McGregor's fighting 35 pounds heavier than him in his next fight. Good God. It's like thinking of what Charlie Brennan and Anthony Johnson fought at like welterweight.

Now one of them is a lightweight and one of them is now fighting heavyweight. I'm afraid Francis and Ghana eventually. Good for him. Good for him. All right. Mr. Brooks in the chat would like to know if Holloway loses, does he get the immediate rematch? I think so. I think he's wanted, especially how it depends on how, well, I guess it would depend on how the fight plays out.

I don't think there's one way the fight can play out war. He doesn't, he were, he doesn't get a rematch. What if he gets melted in four seconds? Yeah, we'll get a rematch. Actually, if he gets melted in four seconds, he absolutely will get a rematch. Why? Aldo didn't he got melted in 13 seconds

by who by who Connor yeah what do you think the C stands for on UFC yeah that's fair of course no no

yeah Hollowe absolutely gets rematch there's nothing that can happen in this fight that he won't get a rematch

unless he gets well if you who do we who do we have back who do we have following him uh Frankie and

uh Korean zombie fight in a couple weeks uh nope nope nope nope nope none of those

sell more tickets or sales won't pay reviews than a Halloween rematch. Hollowe can get grinded out for 25 minutes along the cage and he'll still get a rematch. He can get knocked out in two seconds, he'll get a rematch. I think he would also, because Max's... Depending on Max's health. That's what I was about

to say, because remember UFC 240 in Edmonton, someone asked him like, when do you want to return because they asked him if you would want to fight Volcanowski on that Australia card? He goes, I want to get brain scans first. So if he gets crushed in this fight and he goes, I need to take 12 months from my health.

He'll still get a rematch once he's healthy. Sure. But maybe Volcanowski takes in a fight. We could have a Ronda situation where Volcanowski fights someone and then he loses and then Max still get it. Or like when like, yeah, Rhonda never rematched Holly, she ended up fighting Amanda on her return because Holly lost to Misha

and then Misha lost to Amanda and all that. But I think the question is basically, if Hollowie loses, whether his next fight will be still be for the title. Unless there's some weight cutting issues where he goes up to 55 or something like that. But assuming all those are good,

yeah. Yeah, unless he's, he might not want to do featherweight ever again. And the only reason Aldo didn't get a rematch at 45 is because of Connor's situation. Yeah. And when, with Conner's next, did Connor have to fight?

Was it Frankie? No, no, I'm sorry. Oh, gee, I get into it. Aldo? Yeah, the next fight he had was UFC 200. Against Frankie. Yeah. Yeah, so Otto did get a direct rematch in a sense.

Yeah, he came straight back for a title shot. So, so it was Connor that didn't accept it. Right, because I think Connor wanted to fight Frankie. If Frankie had won, Conner would fall Frankie at 145. 100%. Yeah. 100%. I think that's a fight Connor wishes he hadn't gotten at one point in his career.

But that, I don't know. I remember they were doing like the UFC did like a twir thing where it con... This is before you fought Al-O. I remember at 200, Connor was there. He was like, you were standing on watching. Oh, I know. But I'm saying if Frankie had been Aldo that fight, he would have fought at 145 again. He would have fought Frankie at 145.

Probably. Yeah. I think definitely. Because if you look at that, he did like a thing before, even before the Aldo. fight where he did like the top 10 of the UFC like what's like give your reaction everyone and frankie's like he had something he had like a promo on everyone in the top 15 and then when they got to frank he's like what what can i say about frankie that dude's a legend connor nate connor nate too was 202 yeah yeah yeah i know that um so are you thinking of connor's timeline

yeah it was so we fought uh dennis siever in boston and then he fought aldo oh no he he fought Mendez at 189 in July. Then he fought Aldo in December at UCC 194. And then he was supposed to fight Hoppa of Osama 555 at 196. But then Zahanas fell on the broken foot. So he fought Nade at 170, Nade at 150, U.S.C. 205, took that long layoff, fought Mayweather in August,

and then took another year-long life and then they fought Habib in 155. She's, you know, a president of his gang. I should know a lot about events. Crazy. He also fought Marcus Brimmerge in Sweden. He fought Max Holland, Boston. because Connor has a lot

I was looking at this and like the people were like why does he fight Soroni? He doesn't, Connor doesn't like fight like Soroni's a guy that won't pull out right? He doesn't like because he was, do you remember who he's supposed to fight instead of Max Holloway? Max Holley was a late replacement. I said a Mac.

Oh, instead of Max. Yeah, on that Boston card. Andy Ogle. You're supposed to fight Andy Ogle on the prelims of the first ever FS1 card and then a 20 year old Max Hollow it stepped up. And then this is, Wait, wait.

So, Max stepped up for two fights. Max stepped up for Porre. Yep. And for Connor. And then the next fight Connor had, because remember he blew his knee out, he was supposed to return against Cole Millett in Dublin. And then he, like, had nerve damage in San Diego, ran down instead.

And then he was supposed to fight Aldo and he fell out. And then he was supposed to fight Hafeu Los Angeles and he fell out. So Conner's had a lot of late replacements. So what you're saying is, Saroni will get injured. And he'll still show up. No, if you're injured, injured, he ain't you showing up. That, maybe.

Well, Connor apparently had his ACL shred and he still showed up against. He wasn't even motivated. He wasn't even focused. I know. Geez, imagine if he's motivated and focused. Right. Come on. His foot was a balloon.

Yeah. Imagine he has a structured camp. Or yeah. Or what did, I think Owen Roddy said it was refined. Yeah. For that own pizza guy. Anyway, next, we got any other fun questions? In the chat, Jorge Washington would like to know

Dana said that if Connor wins, he gets the next half. I'm going to go off Connor here since we're still talking about him. Connor side. He gets the next title shot.

But so who does Justin Gaichi fight next? Winner Feld or Hooker? Or does Justin just sit out until next year? I think Connor is going to fight Mazudal if he wins and then Gaichi could fight

the winner of Habib, Tony. Who knows? But if I'm Justin Gates, like there's really known, unless he is itching to return, like right now, Francis and Gahnon is the right from

the number one contender of heavyweight so he could sit out and pull the, time and Woodley thing after he beat Kelvin, he sat out for a year. Or like when Ricardo Lamas, I think, beat Eric Koch and sat out for a year and then fought Aldo in New Jersey. He could do that, but if he wants to fight, he could fight the winner of him. Justin Gaichy has to do whatever the UFC and Connor wants him to do.

That's what's going to happen. Justin Gaecchi wants to fight for the title. Don't matter. If the UFC doesn't want it to happen or if Connor beats Soroni, Connor is getting it. It's up to them. It's not up to Justin Geichi. Yeah, I'm not saying. Like, of course, Justin should be, should be fighting for the title next.

Of course. But, yeah. But, like, also the timeline just doesn't line up. Because, like, when's that fight that Habib Ferguson fight is April? So then when did, one was the fall in Vancouver? Is that September? So his last fight was September. So then Habib fights in April.

He probably won't fight again until November or December. So that'd be more than a year layoff. for Justin Gage if he waits for a title shot. And that's if Habib wins. Like, if Tony Ferguson wins, why wouldn't they want to run that back? Exactly. Like, Justin Gaci is going to have to be... If he wants to fight, like, who can he fight?

I don't think he wants to fight. I think he wants to fight for that title, and he'll wait it out. You remember when at the dominant time of the media day, he says he wants to fight Habib more than he wants to fight for the title? Because he wants to test himself against Habib. So if Tony... No, yeah, but he's saying that under the assumption that If Tony just steamrolls Habib, you think Justin Gachis going to get on Mike?

But I still want to fight the guy that got his ass kick. No. Well, what I'm saying is... It's easy to say that at the time when the guy's unstoppable. What I'm saying is if say Tony Ferguson beats Habib and then they want to like make Tony versus Connor, why not make Gagchi versus Habib? Because... Because both of them want fights and they don't get rematches.

Because that should be... Gachy's not going to take it because I think Gachie has a little bit of pride. in the sense that, wait, I have to, the guy I demolished loses again, and that guy gets in front of me. I mean, let's see it's- Money talks, man. They can give them a lot of money to fight Habib. Which they're not.

I don't know that. You know what you think you're going to give them championship money for a non-championship fight? I don't know. The UFC. Probably not. Yeah. Justin Gates is going to be, we might not see Justin Gagey for a while. That's why I think.

I hope not. What if it's in Russia? And they're like, we'll give you a lot of money to go fight Habibu. If they pay him championship money, yeah, he'll buy. He's a price rider. He is a prize fighter. You know, he wants bags of money. That's what they're doing this for.

So if they pay him championship money, yeah, he'll take it. For all we know, that April fight could fall out again for the fifth time. And Justin Gishi fights his fills in for one of them anyway. Maybe he fights in April for the interim title. So that's what Justin Gachie is relying on is someone getting hurt. Or he said he would do a serve as a backup under the right circumstances, which is obviously money. Yeah. And this is also under the assumption.

And we have no idea if Habib would accept a fight against someone completely stylistically different. Yeah, he for sure would. He for sure would. Like, he 100% would because remember when all that nonsense was happening USC 223 and they go, why are you fighting out like Kingsdown two fight on two days notice? He goes, if you're a good fighter, you can be anyone at any time. Like, I don't care when my opponent's changed. Like this was when they did the press conference and did the stare down with those two.

He goes, it could have been Al, it could have been Pettis. It could have been Felder. It doesn't matter. Like, if I think I'm the best, I should be able to beat anyone at it. any time. So I don't think, I think if anyone, Habib would for sure take that fight, just because he's done in the past and he said he would do it. I don't believe it. All right. I'm saying, if Habib is headlining a pay-per-view, if Tony gets hurt again and Habib's headlining card in Brooklyn, you think Habib's going to pull himself out of that broken card? No way.

But that card against Al? Against Al? No way. No, I'm saying, like, because the next fight against Tony Ferguson is also in Brooklyn. So if Tony Ferguson gets hurt, you think he's going to turn out Justin Gagee and pull out of that card? No way. Habib's going to stay on that car no matter what. You don't know that? I'm pretty confident. If I'm wrong, if you're wrong, I don't know. Shave your mustache.

Them's the brakes because I'm in. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Well, let's just do one more Connor question because it's in here. I don't think that makes a fighter more badass at all. I don't think he's, I'm not talking about badass. I was like, oh, I don't need a, I don't need a train for a particular guy.

No, I'm not saying if it's badass or not. I'm saying we have there's like something to go off of that. Habib's done that in the past. So there's nothing to say that he wouldn't do it again. All right. Paladin Boza in the chat. Actually, you know, has an interesting question, which is does Connor retire after if Cowboy destroys him?

No. No. No. He's going to, if he loses, he's going to do the Nate trilogy. Being a Pizzer both in agreement. Because I did the A-Sai with Pizzi a few weeks ago. And he said, same thing. He goes, if Cowboy beats Connor,

then he's going to retire. I'm like, no, he's going to take the Nate rematch. The Nate trilogy, they're both coming off losses. What other fight? Like, obviously, Connor is a big name no matter what, but that would be two losses in a row. He would have lost three or four of his last MMA fights. And if you're

including the Mayweather fight, that means we lost four or the last five fights. At the end of the day, like, Connor's a big draw, but you have to win, and the Nate fight is a big fight, and they're both coming off losses, and they're both coming off losses, and they're not going to give him Horahey coming off a loss. They're not going to give him a title shop coming off the loss.

So what's the next biggest fight you could have coming off a loss? And that's the Nate trilogy. So I think if he loses, he does the Nate trilogy, he loses to Nate, then he retires. But if he beats Nate, then he keeps going on. Okay, let's... He just fights wherever their money is. Sure. But I think...

Nate, if he loses, obviously, the Nate is the most obvious one? And it's the biggest fight he could take after that. Yeah, the most obvious one. Yeah. He might do a stupid boxing match. I don't know. Yeah, again. My dude, my dude, Connor Floyd again.

Yay. I don't know. Connor, Connor, Connor. Connor, Connor, Connor. Okay, no, no, no. Let's switch it. Let's switch back to this week. Diego Junkadella, or.

Say it correctly. I don't know. I can't know. I don't know if he's Brazilian or, okay, sorry. Where does Leon Scott? Oh, I think he means Edwards. Yeah. Where does Leon Edwards fit into the title picture

after Covington Usman this weekend? He needs a fight first. Supposedly the UFC wants to. wants them to fight Tyron Woodley and the main event in UFC London, but Tyron really doesn't want that fight. Well, he doesn't want the fight in London. Yeah, that's what he says. Right.

That's all. It's all. Whenever guys are saying ridiculous, they're like, oh, I just go London for vacations. I was like that, all that saying is like, hey, UFC, tell me some more money. That's all that is. Yeah, so I don't, I like that fight. Leon Edwards and Tyne, Tynerner, I think it makes sense. But if Tyne really doesn't take it, then, I don't know who.

I'm looking at the World's Way rankings right now. I beat, already beat, Hafeel de Sano, Damien Maez there. Santiago Ponziivu doesn't have a fight, he just got hurt. Steven Thompson broke his hand, so he's going to be on the show for a while. He's not going to fight Nate.

Pettis is going back to lightweight. Robbie Lawler. He was supposed to fight Ponsonibio, but then Ponsonino fell out of this card and then Sivan Loller pulled out. Vicente Luce is taking time off, and then that's all they're going on to 13, and then there's Magny and Jeff Neal.

I think the only one I would like to fight is Ponsonibio, if the Woodley fight doesn't happen. Whatever happens for Leon Edwards, he's probably... He's just lost in the shelf of right now. He has to demolish someone. That's all that. That's for Cory Anderson.

Yeah, he has to demolish someone. He has to say ridiculous shit on the mic, and then maybe he'll get his title shot. That's all. I don't think he's going to leapfrog anyone at Walter weight. Unless he says ridiculous crap, I guess. Unless he just like, Kobe wins.

Leon Edwards knocks out Woodley, he grabs the American flag, smashes it, this is for, we're coming back. What if he does it to the Cuban flag and calls on Mazuadal? Because they already have that three. He's part of the three-piece in the sort of history. I think he's more, I think he's, I think if things go crazy, Mazeldaal, Edwards is more likely than Maswardal. I mean, then Edwards getting a title shot.

Yeah, I don't think Edwards is getting a title shot anytime soon. For no real reason, other than that he doesn't move the needle enough. No. He also has only fought in the U.S. what twice? He's always on those early morning cards. Like, he's a good fighter. Same with Wokanowski's only fought in the U.S. once, right? That was 2.32 in L.

Mendez. That's right. That's only time he fought. Was he on the... Was he not? No, yeah, you're right. I keep thinking he was on that Boise card, but that was Chad Mendes. Yeah, you're right.

I did... When I was doing his timeline video, I was like, oh, he's never fought. He's only fought in the States once. And this is his first time in Vegas. Well, it's going to be his first time in Vegas. That's right. Boise. He was on that Boise.

He was on that Boise fight card. He did fight Darren Elkins. No, but no one was there. Those don't count. I'm talking paper views. Like, fight nights don't count. They really don't. You mean you didn't tune in to watch JDS, Blagoi, Ivanov, and State North God versus Zach Otto?

That was the only fight I tuned in for. I didn't bother watch another one. That was the Niko Price, Tamerfiz off the back. Jeez, okay. All right. Just remember. No one remembers Boise. I do.

No one remembers Boise. I do. Casey, you don't say. that. No one but the boy's in a corner. Who else is on that car? What is all the man was on? Split decision.

Oh, actually, I looked it up. His name is Leon Scott Edwards. Is that really his middle name? I don't know if it's really his real name, but like it's kind of everywhere. I can't tell if it's just like a joke. Someone called him, I think Colby called him Leon Scott. Or Mosby called him. Someone.

Well, it's a way called him Leon Scott as like a joke and then it's just people go It's a joke. Yes. It's like when people call Kamar Marty. It's because I'm an Ashton said it so much. Yeah. I don't remember who said it but I see it a lot. Yes. Because when I say Leon Edwards, people in the chat are like, who's Leon Edward and people like Leon Scott? Oh, now I know. That's called comedy. Yes. Yes. Apparently. Apparently it's called comedy. When you when you say someone's name, that's not really their name. Yep. Yep. Yep. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good, good answer, Lester.

ELC would like to know who you are picking in Drenomy, Nunes, and Max Volknoffsky. It's hard to pick against Amanda. So I think... If Amanda keeps it standing, then, of course, it's a toss-up fight. If Amanda uses a wrestling, takes her down... I think that's good... Then obviously, it's a good... It's a...

It's a higher probability to victory. I think that's... I would, if I'm a betting man, I would put Amanda by submission. Yeah, I mean, if you want, but let's see what happens. But, yeah, obviously, if it's on the feet, she tapped her on the first fight, right? Dude, have you rewatched that first fight? I remember watching that, and I was a big JDR fan coming to that fight. GDR.

GDR, sorry, JDR, there is it, junior. GDR. And she looked so bad in that fight. Amanda or Germaine? Germain. Okay. She looked so bad. I thought that was the last time we were ever going to see her

fighting a high-level fight. She got taken down, just basically looked like she quit. And she was out for almost a year and a half after that. And her follow-up victory, I can't remember she won against, but she won her follow-up. Larissa Pichenko, a good prospect at the time,

way too young being the UFC, but that's another, she's doing very good in PFL right now. But she came back and she basically said my mentality, my training was just completely off. in the past for those fights. I'm a different woman. I'm a different person now.

I'm a different fighter. And I see it. And so I now, I believe in her now. But I remember coming out of that Nunes fight, the first one, I was like, oh, she is just done. Like, it's just, she doesn't want to be here. And she met it. And actually, I was kind of happy at least she admitted, she confirmed my suspicion. She did say a year later, yeah, I was just not in the right.

Well, she was that dropped her record of four and three. And since then, she's only fought once a year. she fought 2015 1 16 17 18 so this is her first year with two fights since 2013 that's wild i didn't know i knew she was fairly inactive because remember she when we were at that denver fight she said she entered her eye and she was going through a lot she cried during the press conference she had broken hands she had eye surgery she thought she was going to lose her eye from a freak a freak accident yeah um what's your timeline to find out what happened um but uh yeah newness should win but if Jermaine knocks her out, I wouldn't be shocked.

Now, if Jermaine takes her down to Smith's newness, that would be very shocking. I'll ask you this now because at UFC 239 when Amanda was fighting Holly, a lot of people were calling Amanda the greatest fighter, female fighter of all time, leading that fight. And you were very adamant that she was not there yet. You still put Rhonda number one. After the Holly home fight, do you put Amanda the greatest fighter, female fighter of all time now? I think this version of Amanda is the greatest. We've seen in her cage, this version of Amanda.

Now, I still have issues doing the whole issue of the greatest fight of all time because she's had a lot, Amanda's had lots of bad fights. She's had lots of mediocre fights. She's had, she's lost to mid-level fighters and stuff. So like, but like, so there's almost different eras in Amanda's career. But this version, the last like five, six years, Amanda Nunes, because Mani Nunes is doing this for, what, 10 years now? Like the first five years of her career

Were a very hit or miss This last Four years I think after the Katzangano Lost Has she been defeated after Katzangana? Yeah That fight

Like much like when Jermaine lost to Amanda Nunes Previously She came back a different fighter That Katzangano loss Nunes came back Because before Nunes had lost Because she got grinded out by wrestlers

got taken down eventually got tired and submitted but catch is beat the crap do you remember that fight she got full amount on cat in the first round and then and then she got like tossed in the second and third round before she got just TKO the model from the top yeah yeah but since then she's beaten a lot of good fighters a lot of good fighters very violently too very violently quickly so I just think Amanda Nuz this era Amanda Nunes is the best female fighter we've seen at Banton White ever at You know what I'm talking about? Like, is this version still better than Rhonda when Rhonda was just freaking...

I don't know. I think her level of competition, since they've got a fight, is slightly higher than Rhonda's level of competition during her tear through. Like, she fought... I would agree. Yes. I think... Alexis Davis, Betchko Hea, Sarah McMahon. Like, the Tunisia Tate fights were good.

I think they're both 1A, 1B. But her and... Amanda's caoed cyborg, T-Kod, like rousey submitted tate beat valentina twice she does have the win over julia bud and strike force she has a win over nx t woman's champion shana basler so that's another champion she's beat uh if you if you go back and watch this alexis davis fight watch that ser die a little fight and like it's kind of like wow you're you're kind of like this woman isn't the best fighter in the world it's kind of there was like glimmer's like oh she's a brawler but that's about it wasn't she

She trained in. A.T.T. as well. Yeah. Wasn't she training in New Jersey back then? She was of MMA Masters, which is another camp in Florida, I think. I know Ricardo Lama's part of them is the other. I think Ricardo Lotton.

Yeah, obviously going ATT is. Yeah. I'm not sure when she went to ATT. It might have been after the cat fight or. I genuinely don't know. Yeah. But her camp change, obviously, ATT, was definitely brought out her full potential. And censored cat fight, the only two decisions she's had were, again,

against Valentina, and one of them was split. A lot of people when she lost. Okay, I want to go one more question for this, and then I want to actually just, we have got a lot of D.C. questions. So, what the one way? Who is the most likely to lose their belt this weekend? Camaro.

Yeah, Camaro, because I think that's not being. I'm picking Camaro, but I think of all the, I think that's the closest competitively. I think, well, I, Malkanovsky. I think has a real good chance of beating Max. Of course. But I think they all have, I think all three.

And that's why it's a fun tag card. But I think it's a great fun. Yeah, I agreed. All anyone, like, all, we could see three title changes. Like, I think the last, the only time that's happened is U.S. 217. That was when TJ beat Cody, GSP beat Bisping and Rose beat Yowana. We could see that again on Saturday.

But if, I mean, Yowna was a heavy favorite, too, going in there. Yeah, she was. She got crushed. Those three stoppages too. But I do agree with you. I think I'm actually thinking Colby in that fight. I think that's like a toss-up for me. Like who wins that one?

I'm picking tomorrow, but Colby might surprise me. Yeah. All right. Let's switch to the DC card. People are asking about Francis and Ghanem, since him and Biggie Boy might have a... Jarzino Rosen Street. Yes.

Tim Crystal. Do you think that that's going to be the next bout? I sure hope so. Francis Dowler should fight him or Volkov. I don't want that fight because I want both those guys, I want both those guys to have title shots. Sure. So that's fair.

That's the problem. We knock out of, when number one contenders knock each other out, then you don't have multiple contenders. So who should they fight? I mean, obviously, if, just in a vacuum, yeah, of course I want in the fight. I want to see that fight every weekend. But from a matchmaker's point of view, I don't know how much sense that makes to take out two number one contenders.

I mean, take out a number one contender when both those guys. I guess the thing is, D.C. has already said that the fight, his trilogy against D.P. will most likely be in the summer because they're both healing up, which means Francis would have had to, his last fight was July, which he would have had to wait a year. And then he would have to wait another X amount of months. for a title shot. If he wants to stay busy

and Giarsino said he wants to return March or April, maybe in summer, why not book that fight on the same card in Steve A, D.C. Because D.C.'s pulled out of fights before, like, just have one of them stand by for... Plus, if D.C. wins, and he retires, his next

fight is going to be for the vacant heavyweight championship of the world. Cool. And then put Francis and Francis Giorizio would then be on the same timeline because they both fought on the same card. I think that makes... It's similar to when GSP fought Hendricks and on the on the on the the main card was Lawler McDonald and then when he when they vacated Hendrix and Lawler fought because they had both were on the same timeline I'd like that idea like I said if it's in a vacuum yeah of course you

fight but the problem is for Francis is like you take us for him I bet in his mind he thinks Biggie Boy is a tougher fight than Bolkov or whoever it whoever might be fighting for a title so it's just such a high-risk fight for not that much and compared to a title fight. So who would he, because Junior is now fighting Curtis Blades, but France has already beaten Blades twice. Derek Lewis is fighting Iler-Latifi,

and then after that, Giazino is the next man up. It's him or Volkov. They're 5-6. Wait, why is Derek Lewis fighting Yer-Len-Littifi? Don't know. He's, like, a number five-ranked heavyweight is fighting a completely unranked guy. Yeah, yeah.

And he's not fighting like a former title challenger, He's fighting a two-o-fiver journeyman. Yeah. That fight is actually just makes, from a range. If you're lateefi wins, he's going to jump up to, like, number six right away. Of course. If you're Latifi, he fought Daniel Cormeier, he beats Daniel Carmier. Yeah, I mean, yeah, of course he's going to jump up.

So, but I'm saying, like, if you want to make a number one in tenor fight, like, the only one that would make sense that they're not booked or Giorzino and Francis or Volkov, like, I need one of those three. because unfortunately Overroom just lost to Rosenstreet All Harris isn't going to fight in time soon And then after that you have a bunch of fighter names That I can't pronounce

Stick of Anthony Johnson in there You still got a bunch of other two of fivers You might go up and wait All of a sudden they're I don't know You still got John Jones They might just take a They throw a bunch of money at him

Inganu Rosen streak and Or Aganu Volkov and Giazino Rumble Johnson What is the question What do you think about that fight? Yeah, it's cool I actually don't think it's going to happen What if it turns into another Lewis and Ghana though

Where they're both just like dumb shy? Well there was a there was There were a lot of certain It was a series of unfortunate events that led to that That same Unless both fighters are coming in there injured And they literally need a paycheck Then that's all because people forget that

Derek Lose is hurt Derek Luce If that fight was against any other heavyweight In the world outside of Derek Luce He went in there and literally I can't do anything more than this And you just look tough Like that was the reason

And so that was the reason there was no action. So if anyone comes at Francis, Francis, you would have woken up. You know, you have to kind of hit him and he wakes up. But if you're never going to hit him, he just kind of,

that was just a, it was a series of important events that led to that fight. But then it led to Mark and Mandy during Shui. So it all worked out in the end. And I still have issues of that Shui,

because shooies are celebrations and they made the shui a punishment. Yeah, but it was a celebration for Sean. It was a celebration of people around Mark, not for actually Mark. Did you spin? I can't remember.

Yeah, he's been in it. He's a man. He's a man. Mark, he's a man. Any other fun questions? Oh, we got kids. Yeah, we got a good question. Actually, well, also about D.C. sort of.

From Luis, or Baby Yoda, Jr. I still have not seen that show, so. Yeah, it's a video game. It's a video game. Since there's been so much talk about testicles getting smashed on recently, what is the worst hits of the balls you all have had? personally? You spar a lot more than me.

I got, oh, I got wax in the balls back before I came up to Vegas. Yeah, I was wrestling. And I, uh, he went for a single, but then you switched legs and it's, and like, okay, and I got, I always wear a cup, no matter what, I always work up. And I went like, ah, we're doing some light wrestling today.

I'm going to be a little lazy and not spend that freaking 30 seconds to put my cup on. And of course, his handguns right in the middle. And it barely, man, when it comes up underneath, oh good Lord it's like it's a it's a different feel it's a different feel it's one of those feels you got the takedown and I was all like oh you hit me and I was kind of I was kind of memory oh you hit me my dick and then like I was trying to play it off but I was like but then it just starts hurting more and more and more and then like by about 15 seconds later I was

like oh I can't do this anymore so it like it kind of starts here and moves up it's a it's a it's an interesting feel but then once I actually stopped when you kind of stopped and kind of I was trying to rest then like it's kind of, I got it. You know, when you see fighters, like, they get hit the balls and like, they go, go to go to the corner and they kind of sit there for a while and they start going, oh, yeah, because it's when you stop moving. That's when it kind of starts building up. I was actually told by a fighter when you get, when he told me, when if you get kicked in the dick, either you take the whole five minutes or you immediately go back out there and fight.

That's why you often see fighters, you know, they get kicked the dick and the, they kind of take a couple of seconds and they go, I'm good to go. And you hear it like DC O'Rogan go, take your five minutes. But when I talk to these guys, these guys said, the only way for that pain to go away is to have another man try to kill you because your body can only really concentrate on one type of pain, you know? Sure. So like if I, I can't worry about my boss because I got fucking Francis and Gano about to fucking rip my face off. So, yeah, I got, yeah, so yesterday. That's why I got hitting the balls. That was a lot of language for our youth listeners. They got to learn something. I thought that was, that's important information.

It was. It was. Testicle talk. Is that it replaced Crystal Talk? Yeah, testicle talk. All right, team testicle. Team Crystal. My answer would be I have a, one of the many times I was playing shortstop in baseball growing up.

Like during, like, during, like, just, or just, or just, or just during, like, just building or like, so when I, in Rhode Island, when I was coming up playing baseball. What do you call, what do you call it? You call it practice? Yeah, baseball practice. He's just got practice. You don't say, you don't say, like, fight practice. Yeah, you just fight camp, baseball.

practice. Okay. You're not like you have practice every day. It's not baseball. It's like you don't go to, you don't go to baseball training. Uh, you go to training camp, uh, to like work on like hitting and stuff. But like a practice is like in game scenarios. Yeah, we don't go fight. It's it. We're going to fight practice. Yeah. But MMA is not a sports, entertainment. So, uh, in Rhode Island, baseball starts in the march when the grass is still frozen. So you get a lot of those weird skips off of frozen grass. That's the answer. Are you wondering? Are you cup? Yeah. It still gets good. Oh, yeah. I'm sure. Have you, okay, yeah. Okay, yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah, let's not go on to testicle talk forever. Denosaurus. No, but I feel every fan needs to get hit in the balls once to understand.

That's Casey's job. If you see Casey about, just be like Casey. I watch the ace like, Kate will just run up and kick you. Yeah, and I'm like boo. Or like, uh, I don't know. I would kick you in the nuts and chant USA. It's the only time I'm going to chant you to say. You like the professional wrestling one where you just hit up with the farm. Right, right from behind. Yeah. That's what I got hit with, basically.

Like the arm, because he was going under the arm came right up under. It's like, ooh, do you? Yeah. All right. Good question. Good question. Whatever person. Okay.

Denysaurus would like to know, how does Bellator do a Walter Wright tournament and have MVP not fight anyone from the tournament? I get building a guy back up, but seriously, he's 32 and shouldn't be considered to prospect anymore. How are we supposed to take him seriously fighting your local mailman? Have you seen the clicks he gets? He does really well. He does really well. Fighting.

Not nobody. He fights, he fights sea level fighters. Guys you aren't quite ready for the big show. But they're clearly trained martial artists. They're not they're not, they're not, they're not explode fight series guys. Like he's fine, he's fighting, he's fighting athletes. He's fighting fighters. but obviously he's not buying the league guys.

I was at the, I was at the Douglas Lima fight because that was the same day as the, you saw that in person. That was the same day as the Rose, Jessica Androche fight. So you guys were all working that fight, and I was on Bellator duty. I don't know, have you watched that fight since?

Did you remember anything about that fight besides the first? I've met. So the fight, it was the second round, right? It was the second round, but MVP was finding a lot of success on the feet in the first round. And then when he got taken down, he had wrist control the entire time where even though he was on his back, I still gave it to MVP the first round.

Like Douglas Lehman literally couldn't do anything from the top. Like he would try and because MVP's arms are so long that Douglas Lean would go to punch and MVP could just grab his wrist. And he was controlling him the whole time. And then the second round, I asked him this. I go, why did you get up that way? Like instead of rolling back, he just stood up and went forward. And he goes, I was finding so much success.

on the feet that I just got overconfident and thought I could just stand up. Well, when you get knocked down, you're kind of trying to go back. But he literally looked like he just tripped and just got, was standing up from the sidewalk and then just got like right hooked from hell. So he goes, if I just rolled back, I probably, I could have won that fight. But that's a lot of what is. But he was looking really, he was doing really well in that fight until I got knocked out. I don't believe.

I believe he was on his way to losing a decision. Sure. But a competitive decision. a competitive He didn't. A lot of people were going to say he was going to get

crushed by Douglas Lima which he did because of his own mistake. But I don't think, I think if he didn't get knocked out then and it was a decision, it would have been competitive. That's MMA.

MMA is all about who makes the first mistake. It really is. That's all MMA is. Like who fucks up first? And that was a, like we're all, like,

going to make the train, we're always taught when you get up. Basically, you never get up like that. What he did, you just, you, I'm kind of,

It's kind of shocking he got up that way. You just don't ever do that. That's why the knockouts look so incredibly unique because you've never seen anything like it before at a high level because at a high level, you just never get up off your butt straight up like that. He got, he over-extanged, got his legs kicked up from under him and then went forward and forward.

And he just kind of got up like that instead of. Yeah, put your butt down, get back, hand out. It was like, it's... I want to see that fight again. I would like to see MVP fight Rory or anyone else from the tournament, like this comments or said, like, I, because now he's fighting in Beloito, Japan, right? Yeah, and he's finding a decent journeyman guy, guys, he was two and two years two.

In a lot of experience. He's not, everyone was like, who's this guy? He's like, he's a decent dude. And he's like, this isn't, this is the guy that we're fighting on a, you know, fight night prelims. You'll be like, oh, let's watch this, you know, it's, it's, it's, he's a, he's a talented dude. I want to see him fight Roy and Donald. And if you wouldn't beat Roy, then I want to see the rematch against Lima.

Because right now Lorenz Larkin probably has the next title shot against Douglas Lima. but I would like to see MVP fight Rory. Who else is out there? Neiman, Ed Ruth, Koreskov, Benson Henderson can always jump up to 170. Benson versus MVP sounds like that sounds like a fun fight. Yeah, Chandler could jump up to 170. Yeah.

Gayguard Musassi could drop down to 170 probably no. No, I don't want to see that. I don't want to see that either, boss. Yeah, what was the question? Why is he fighting one of these guys in the tournament? Give us some time. Oh, the answer was clicks. why.

Like, yeah, MVP. Question, actually, let me interrupt you. Anthony Williams asked MVP versus Raymond Daniels. Is Raymond Daniels a Walterweight or a middleweight? Actually, I think he's a Walterweight. I think he's a watcherweight. I think he's had, he's been very unsuccessful in M.MA. So unless they want to doing kickboxing, yeah, cool.

He's one in one in M. Yeah, he essentially retired from M. He's Walter White, yeah. He hasn't fought MMA saying, well, he fought in May. 2019 and that was his first fight. Oh, never mind. I guess, oh, he is giving it a shot. Never mind.

Oh, wait, wait, you mean that's fought in Bellator? Yeah, that's... Oh. That is why we're bringing it up. I know. That didn't get, that didn't get... You mean, you didn't tune in to watch

Brent Primus versus Tim Wilde? No, I don't... Brett Primus won by Goeco Cloud in that fight. Do you not remember that? Is he on the main card? Yeah, he's the opener. You won by K.

Huh. All right, cool. Yeah, make it happen. All right, this is probably going to be The last question. Okay, good. From John Balsz. Hey, John Botz.

Rank your top three years of the decade in MMA. Oh, actually, it was two questions. And the second question is Tiger's Eye or Paradot or Peridot? That's a question. I've heard both. Okay. Well, Tiger's Eye to answer because Tiger's Eye looks, have you seen Tiger's Eye? Yeah.

Have you seen Tiger's Eye? It's like it's a crystal. Come on. It's a crystal. It's another word for testicle. Now, yeah, see. Tiger's Eye is a critical. so that looks like wood.

Is that what I nickname my testicles? Yeah. So, Tiger's idea answer the crystal question because I like how it looks like wood and you can't really tell unless you feel it. Best year? Like personally or like fight-wise? I like 2013 because that's when I first got into it. I had just graduated college.

No, part, and fights. Yeah. I'm just telling you like the story like Rhonda fought with debuted. Chris Wyman beat Anderson that year. Anderson broke his leg GSP came back fought Johnny Hendricks So 2013 stands out

That's my answer Turn your mind on Esther Yes what Do you have a It's disgusted Oh let's discuss this We've spent the entire decade together Working on this

Yeah actually yeah In October was our 10th year Anniversary of working for MMA fighting Yeah So Huh 2013 was a really good year actually because it also had um pre pre was that why i meant and was both wyman anderson's ronda came

on the scene i got bad i got bad memories for that in personal reason um you know i did that for that oh yeah no that was probably one of the better years you know honestly i feel like all the strong years were kind of early on that was also uh 2013 was like the last year we had cane as like a dominant force because he beat junior both times oh i know i told 2013 routine I stuck in my mind too it was the last strike force event for me yeah that's a good that's another really good yeah um actually uh is whatever if you want me pick a year it was it was it was when strike force was um probably right in the strike force maybe got bought out by zufa but kind of right before that era so like 2012 2013 yeah that was 2011 was a good year

because it was also also john jones be show them right yeah i'm gonna go 21 21 21 everything after that was downhill. And that was also when they had the big event in Toronto. That's right. That's also the year Anderson Front Cape Vitor and we had the gray manor Frankie trilogy. Trilogy. Well, the real of the two matches. That was a good year. What year was Invicta 3, FC3? I think it's 2012. No, in Big Ten, 2012? Invicta, I'll find out. Invicta 4. Invictor 4, Invictor 4. Because Invicta 4 was in 2013 as well, actually. It was January 4th, 2013, I think.

For the decade? Wait, hold on. Invicta 3 was 2012. Yeah, see? There you go. In Victor 4 was 2013. So, 2013 might be my favorite year. Yeah, so the three of us are kind of... Also, 2011 was the first ever Fox card.

Oh, that's right. Yeah. In the first couple years, Fox cards really mattered. Yeah. Do you remember the was the second one? Was the second Fox car The

That was the Chicago one That was Phil Davis Rashad It was loaded on paper It just The fights wind up kind of Kind of being Not entertaining

But they were On paper It was really That was my His last middleweight fight When he lost a wide win Yeah And then he dropped down

And fought What dying on Camette 148 Or did you fight Eric's I can't remember Or Rick Story One of those One of those fights

Yeah So whatever 2011 2012, 2013, after that. Actually, that was kind of, I think about it a lot. I feel like it was kind of the golden age between 2009 and, you know, basically from like UFC 100 to one, whatever. That's also like Anderson and GSP were the greatest like Fadoe was still doing things.

John Jones had not gone into his shenanigans yet. That was, 2011, though, that was John Jones saving people on the streets of Patterson, New Jersey. Yeah, I was still staying up late and watching fights from Japan. Yeah, HDNet was still had a gap going. 2011, John Jones, that I think it's like the 2007. When was that Pride Grand Prix, that Shogun won? Was that 2005? Yeah, that was definitely a way.

So that for me was the greatest year for a single fighter until John Jones 2011. We beat Bader, Shogun, Rampage, and Ritchita all in 12 months. Like, those two to me, like, no one is masked yet. No, no, yeah, I agree. I agree. That was the best. that was the best and he was winning like Don like he tapped

he crushed Mitch Jogan tapped Bader tapped Rampage and then left Mijit in a heap damn good fights if you could this is actually my last question

because it's we've we've it's been an hour but I wanted to ask what's your favorite event of last decade? Hmm 162 was cool

that was Wyden Anderson because that had not a lot of the fights on that Franky fought Charles Oliver Tim Kennedy debuted against Hodger Gracie

157 was fun that was Rhonda Carmoosh but then also had like Machita Hendo and they had what was it? MacGrice or what his name was against Dennis Vermudas that was a fun one

I liked that box card was at USCN Fox 7 in San Jose which was Benson Gilbert had a lot of stoppages because we left because there was a West Coast show in the summer, so we got out of the arena at like 9 p.m. I got up at 1,000. And then people booed Benson Henderson during his proposal.

He proposed to his girl when he just won a very controversial decision, and he proposed to his girl in his opponent's hometown or hometown area. That's just kind of, come on, man. With U.C. 189, I think a lot of people consider the greatest main card ever. That was the Connor Mendez, because it had two flying knees, Gunner Nelson Tappen the greatest fight ever is the co-main event

and Connor Mendez because that pre-lim wasn't that great outside of the map around to a means fight 194 was good that was the Connor Aldo Wyman Rockhold

Holloway Stevens Romero Jaucore 205 was good that was stacked that was the first NMHC card yeah there was a lot of them I'd say once 62 for me

just because I was like 10 feet away from Anderson getting knocked out. That was just crazy to see. We've got a couple votes for 189. Yeah. But yes. All right. I think that's it for today.

We got head over to the... One real quick one. What do you think is the knockout of the year? This year? No, I mean, for the decade. Oh, for the decade. Because, like, if you think about it, we got Anderson front kick.

We got Holly Holmigan front kicks. We got Mazurals' five-second knockout. We got Terry Allen getting crushed by Barbosa. Holly Rhonda. Holly Ronda is knockout of the decade. I think it's 1-A-1B with that. and the Anderson Frank case. Anderson is pretty good.

Because that's pretty iconic. Yeah. It's one of those two for me. I don't think that one of those two for me. I count, I count every factor. I count the upset factor. Anderson was a favorite already, a pretty heavy favorite going against Fitour.

That's why I don't, that's why it doesn't surpass it to me, just because it was expected. Not expected like that, but the victory was expected. Yeah. So, but Holly rounded to me is the, because that,

that knockout still to me changed the world, changed MMA. It changed pop culture. Yeah. Change a lot. It changed a lot of things. You said Francis and Overing. Those are great knockouts.

Connor Aldo. Those are great knockouts, but those are, to me, like, Connor knockout Aldo did not change pop culture. It did. It did. It did. It for sure did. It did.

I'm going to disagree with you. Yeah. It for sure did. No. I don't mean. Disagree with you. I don't think it did it as much as Ronda losing the Holly. Nope.

Yeah. Remember the very next. Well, okay. I will say just in terms of like, for pop, it was, Rhonda was like more pop famous at that time

in the, in the sense that when we got into a taxi when we got back from Australia after that knockout, it was all over the radio, pop radio. It was like KISS FM or something.

It was everywhere. And like, even the, the driver was like asking us about it. It wasn't freaking last week tonight. It was on last week tonight. They were talking about on just news shows. Like, the kind of thing was a giant, like he's a celebrity,

is a giant sports thing, like the Ronda knockout was, and then it changed everything because then Ronda basically retired after that. She had one more fight, but she was done. Then you had the, you know, she went to the W.W.E., like it changed so many things. What about in terms of just crazy knockouts? What about, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, if we're talking to just knockouts, independent, just what they are right then? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. About Hendo and Bisbon. It was cool. It was cool. Yeah, that was the other vote. We were getting 100 and 189, we're the two. That's right.

UFC 100 is awesome. All right. All right. Well, I think that's it for the A-Side this time. We've got to go to sign open workouts. It's a, what is it, a fan Q&A thing? Because, like, I mean, U.S. 244, no one worked out. They just did Q&A's the whole time.

So they're trying this new thing. So we have to run to that. So stay on the YouTube channel, and then we'll get those videos to you ASAP. Or you can go hang on their Twitter or Instagram. We've got all kinds of fun content. These two have epic U.S.C. 245 timelines. So watch all three. of those and then when we're done at the Q&A, watch those videos. But for Jose, that's Casey,

that's Esther. We're out. This is Tesco Talk. You had to end it that way, huh? Crystals. Crystals.