MMA Fighting - The A-Side Live Chat | Kamaru Usman’s KO Of Jorge Masvidal, Rose Namajunas' Future, Valentina Shevchenko's Dominance, Daniel Cormier vs. Jake Paul, UFC 261 Fallout, More

Episode Date: April 28, 2021

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Welcome everyone to another episode of the Aisle LiveShat here on www.com. I'm a coach Jose Young's. After a quick break, a week-long break of no A-A-Side, mostly because I was in attendance in Jacksonville and the UFC rudely scheduled Media Day during the A-Side LiveShat. So couldn't do it then. I believe the week before that, we just started an hour early because of Bellator Media Day. because they really scheduled it during the A-side slot. So we're back to our normally scheduled program of the A-Side Lab Chat

on Wednesdays, 1 p.m. Eastern, 10 a.m. Pacific live on YouTube, and now we are live on Twitter, and we're live on Facebook. So for all of our new viewers that are tuning in on Twitter and Facebook, welcome. This, of course, will also be up on all the podcast networks after we are done live. But joining us this week, he's been on before. Last time he was on, it was me, him, and Andreas, and we talked about hip-hop for about 45 minutes. a little bit of MMA sprinkled in there and a little bit of boxing as well. So joining us

once again after his long way to return, Aunt Walker. How's dad life over in California? Dad life is fantastic. The second one will be here in about five weeks. So it's super dad life around here now. So I'm just, I'm just fully fully in parent mode as we speak. And you can see how mature I have the background. No, man, you're building for your son's future into Commonwealth books, as you could see, if I ever have a future spawn behind me. He's never going to need reading material for the rest of his life with all these books behind me. But I had to get you on again because once you get that second kid in, I doubt we'll ever see you again. And right, Felisa.

Anyway, all the ones and twos, Casey, how's life in Englewood? Is How's Life fully vaccinated? Not only are you fully vaccinated, you also got the two-week window. So you are fully, fully vaccinated. I'm good to go. and this Aunt Walker guy, I told him, dude, I'm backs, I'm good to go. We can train in my dojo just 15 feet right over there.

But he's out too busy creating human beings that he can't come over here and take a beating from these hands, these elbows. Interestingly enough, I found time to work out on my own. So is this just a schedule conflict or am I actually ducking you, Casey? I don't know. Here's a thing. That's a lifelong duck. You're like, oh, I'm scared of Casey.

Hey, hey, baby, let's make another human. So I can say, I'm available for the next 18 years. Here's what I'm hearing, Casey. It sounds like you have to go to Ant. You've got to bring the fight to Ant and go to his place, his domain, and break there. Then you can beat up. Then you can beat him up in front of his kids on his home turf.

I thought like that's like a next comic book. move. Jose, man, this is dark. What are you doing, man? He's like, beat up in front of his unborn child. What sport do we follow? What sports do we cover? What do we just watch on Saturday? Grown man getting knocked dead in front of his home family? I saw a man get his legs. I saw

I paid 70 bucks to see a man get his leg split in half, so I don't know. Specifically? You did that at a half. My leg got split in half just like that, too. So I was having some really, really crazy flashbacks watching that one. That's right. That's right. What a horrifying, horrifying time. Anyway,

those of you that have never tuned into the show if you're on Twitter or Facebook and you want to ask questions. Casey's man in the questions, in the comments. We have a lot of questions on the site. You can go to animefighting.com. Find the post. This is the AISID Live chat. You can drop a comment in there. No promise. We'll get to it while we're live, or you can respond to one of us on Twitter and maybe we'll see it. Or if you're watching this and you have any of our phone numbers,

shoot us a text message. And we'll answer it live on the air. Our buddy Matt Wilson on that a few times. So, yeah, first question, Casey. What do we got from the peeps in the comments and or the site? Well, first thing I'm doing is setting my phone into silence. That's how you do it. All right, here we go.

Do, do, do. What a crew today from Jessica Crystal crew, yes. We are big into crystals here. Well, I don't know. I don't want to speak for Ant, but we've had a lot of long and illustrious history with the crystals here on the A side life chat, specifically Tiger's Eye. It's like I'm very familiar with the lore of the crystal on this program. I can't say I'm a crystal guy, but I have my own little quirks about me.

So, you know, I'm a weirdo in my own way. Jessica, did you get shorty as crystals yet? Because the next time he's on, you know he's going to bring it up. He brings it up every time. Yeah, you get with it. Anyway, get with it. Here's the big one. There's a lot of big ones, but we'll go up this one right now.

King Camaro Dean from MM 2K20, MMG 2K20 on the site. Let's talk Camaro, GSP, Welterweight, Go. GSP got his first title shot after two fights into his U.S. career as a TKO and a submission loss in the U.S. I have a lot of close decisions with people suggesting he lost versus Hendricks. That's Johnny Hendricks. Camaro had nine fights for his first title shot. He has never lost the UFC, and he is either finishing guys or absolutely dominating them for the entire fight.

I'm not suggesting Camaro's ahead, but our titled events, defenses slash long jet of the only thing that matter here would love your guys opinions and as i did miss the first half of gsp's career so of course this individual is asking uh where we would rank probably rank kamaradine in the annals of welterweight grates i have him slotted two maybe three like two would be the the max and then if you want to argue who's better between i think in my mind gsp is still number one not saying camaro can't get there right now in the year of our load two 2021 on April 28th, I think George St. Pierre is still the greatest. And if you want to argue between Camaro, Tyron, Woodley, and Matt Hughes being two,

I don't have a problem with any of those. Camaro is well on his way, but, Ann, I'll let you take the first answer. What do you make of this individual's question comparing Camaro and George St. Pierre's run as well as away champions? It's certainly a fair question to ask. I'm with you on Camaro being a number two, and GSP firmly at number one. And I think really we're just talking about the length of rain. And not necessarily just the title defenses, but how long he's been at the top.

Like, Camaro won the belt two years ago. He's done a lot in that time. But also, too, I think it's important to note that he has, he's done a good job of cleaning out the division without holding the belt that long. So that's certainly a plus in his favor. But I still got to give it to GSP, man. you know, that number of title defenses that long, that many years on top and having so many people gunning for you. And I think Camarro is going to run into this eventually if he decides to keep active.

If you remain the champion for a long time, everyone coming up is looking at you as the guy they need to take out. So we think about like Chris Wybman dethroning Anderson Silva and how his initial goal, he said when he first stepped into an MMA gym was beating Anderson Silva because that's who was at on the top at the time. So his whole career was building to that moment. We're going to have people that are building toward beating

Kamar Usma. And that's a very difficult thing to overcome time after time and especially as you're getting older. I think he might eventually overtake GSP, but it's not right now. We're getting premature. There's a lot of recency

bias there. And I understand why. I mean, Camaro lately has been a lot more exciting the GSP was during his the latter half of his career. So it makes sense to me why people are pointing this way now. Like how many broken jaws was GSP dishing out toward the end? You know, not many. Like we got the cost check broken orbital and that's about it. Mostly it's been just wrestle domination aside from that.

And Camaro is like dislodging people's consciousness. So yeah, I get it. But GSP is still number one. Casey, you've been there since the beginning of George St. Pierre's career covering the sport. I watched pretty much all of it. I covered the second half of it, but you've been around for a long time. What do you make of this comparison? I know we talked about it a while ago when Danny Austin felt Canadian of George St. Pierre.

And obviously, Danny is Canadian. So there is no talk against George St. Fierre when he is present. But what do you make of this comparison? If you put a lot of weight into the actual UFC championship, which I, I believe it's really, it's really, to get a champion, I think, go back to the question, the most important part of this question is GSP got a title fight after like two or three fights in his career. Kamara had to do nine.

That's a big difference. And I think this is what holds Habib back too, because people go, well, Habib only, you know, defended the title so many times. Well, it's because he had a fight so many times to get to that title. If you don't, if you don't, if you count those, then it's easy to call him the goat. but I'm kind of I'm at the point I'm I won't say Camaro has surpassed GSP yet but I'm at one A and one B right now because of the domination and of Camaro the fact that he hasn't really he's been hit hard a couple of times

but he really hasn't been put in danger like he's going to lose a fight ever and much like um much like Abed but I think Abib's freaking amazing is Abib never had an off night. And outside of Camaro's second fight of his career, at a very local regional level, he has never had an off night. Past that night, he has just been domination. And I think

that is the big difference maker for me. And that's why Kamaro kind of gets that jump up and to be the 1B level. But the big thing holding Kamaro back is the fact that the man still gets booed. He gets booed.

He, I mean, he can be the on a pay-per-view, but he's not the guy that's really going to be selling tickets. And I don't know what... And I don't have an answer for that. I just don't have an answer for that. And that's going to be a big thing. Because, like, how can you be the goat,

but no one care about it either, in a sense? It's like... And, I mean, yeah, I get Kamar can headline any pay-per-view, but he can't headline by himself, you know, a blockbuster pay-per-per-view. He needs that other... He needs that opponent. I mean, that's the issue.

too. Maybe the Tril, not Trilogy, but maybe the rematch of Colby might make that happen. But, um, yeah. But do you think it's fair to like penalize him because like people are too stupid to appreciate the greatness

in front of them? Well, I ain't penalizing him. You're the one penalizing him. What do I do? I think Camaro's, I think Camaro is just as good as GSP, right there. I think, I think why people are holding back

as far as saying he's better is because he just doesn't he doesn't have the fanfare he doesn't have that let me say this way we've all worked in media events when Brock Lesnar walks into a room everyone was like oh shoot there's Brock

when John Jones walks in rooms oh there's John Jones you know when Kamara's like oh hey cool Kamar's here we should get an interview when we get a chance that's what I mean like he just doesn't have that I don't know but that that that thing

yet and that's not his fault and I'm bummed out even admitting that because I think Camaro was so effing good here we were talking a little bit about this in the media room and I think the big thing that that hurt Camaro is two of his his first big fight with Mazdaal was in front of nobody and he couldn't do the media days you couldn't have that photo of a thousand reporters around him taking photos and then he and the Colby fight was obviously a big deal but Casey you were there Colby coming held court the entire time. And Kamar Uzman did not play into it.

Like when we were interviewing him and stuff, he did not play into the gimmick. Like, I am defending, quote, unquote, the culture against this man wearing a maga hat. He did not play into that. It doesn't bother me whatsoever, whether he did or not, but Colby was the one driving cliques.

And then he fights Jorge in front of no one. And then he fights Gilbert Burns in front of no one. And then he gets to fight Jorge Mazur in the first big crowd back. And Jorge Mazu is obviously holding court. It's in Florida where, no one in their right mind is going to boo Jorge Mazurah Dahl and cheer Kamar Usman in Florida. He's missing what George St. Pierre had

and he got like, how many fights in a row did George have in Canada? Like five or six? Or he is Jesus Christ incarnate like he can walk on water. If Kamaru fights in Africa and he's still the champion and you get that image, because how many times have we said you need that image of like Connor and Dublin, Darren Till in Liverpool,

George St. Pierre in Canada. You need that image of just the crowd and the beer and everything going insane. Like Steve Bamy Odrich's in Cleveland. You need that. And especially if the first event is in, is in the first African event happens. Kumar's the champ and he speaks in,

I don't know the exact dialect. I don't want to call it Nigerian if that's not what it is. So apologies, I don't know the exact phrasing of the dialect. And you get that image of him speaking to his crowd. And that plays going nuts. Oh, man, I think he's going to be a rock star. And like, why would you ever have him fight anywhere other than Africa?

after that. Also, this individual said George has had a lot of close fights. He's only had two split decisions in the UFC. One was against BJ Penn, who at the time BJ was the man. And then the Johnny Hendricks fight, which I get the argument. Also that, like, I personally, all of his losses in the UFC, he avenged. He avenged the Matt Hughes fight twice. And he avenged the Matt Seraphite. I put a lot of stake

or stock into avenging losses. And I think close fights aren't a bad thing. Are we all going to disagree that that Carlos Condit fight is one of the greatest fights ever? That is one of the greatest fights I've ever seen. He got head kicked into oblivion and survived. And George St. Pierre came back and won. I put a lot of stock into surviving near-death experiences and coming back and pulling out a rabbit out of your hat. That's just my phrasing.

Domination is great. I would like to see how you react to turmoil. Anyway. I think Camaro's response would be, I ain't going to get it. Not his fault. Not my fault. Ain't no one trying to, ain't, no, but I completely understand. And I'm not, I'm not, because I, like, a couple people in the comments, oh, you're stupid, stupid,

GSP's real, I mean, yeah, I get, GSP's super good. He's super good, but I'm just, I'm comparing, I'm not, take away title fights. Just, just fight, just UFC fights against top level competition. Camarro's just been more dominant. I think, and that's my film. I think, I think, I think George has fought better opponents late as of now, hitting their careers. But, man, what were you going to say? Well, I was saying I kind of I'd wanted to push back a little bit here because I think Camaro has like that that sort of mystique walking into a room and maybe our experience are just different.

But like being there at 235 when he won the belt, it felt different. Like he he had an aura around him, which granted, I still pick Woodley to win that fight ahead of time. But then looking back, it was like, wow, I should have seen this coming. this the the presence that he had um i think it's there it's just a matter of whether or not it gets marketed properly he is i think yeah he's he's he's he's charismatic i think like talking to him he's you know he's he's he's a well-dressed guy he can he can articulate himself very well communicate his points very easily and he's just he's just got a swagger about him that's a marketable dude it's just a matter of how lazy is the uc's marketing machine and that's a

question that we've asked many, many times. I even think, like, ahead of 24 or 245, when he knocked up for 245. He was, yeah, he, at least when I interviewed him at the Dominus Media Day, he was leaning very well into the whole, you know, me versus MAGA thing. It was, it was something that he was very aware of. And maybe he didn't play into that during the actual fight week. I wasn't there for that one. but when I spoke with him, it was

something that was definitely on his mind and something that I know he carried into the cage with him. So it's just, my experiences with him are different, but I do think that this man is a star if he's put in the right positions. And then I do, he just got booed.

A whole arena just booed him. Yeah, it was important. And I'm bummed out by that. I'm bummed out. You are right, though, the Colby situation. I forgot he did. He gave a, a great comment and his post-fight presser about how, no, no, I'm American.

My family became, I'm living the American dream, not Colby, and I thought it was great. But, yeah, he just didn't play into it during fight week. Because, like, remember when we interviewed at that Dominance Media Day, Casey, before the whole thing happened? He, like, we were, like, interviewing him, and he, like, pulled out his phone and was, like, going through DMs that he was getting about fans asking to, like, destroy Colby and get this maggie out of here. And then Fight Week, I followed up. I was like, how have the DMs?

He's like, oh, you know, it is what it is. I'm like, God. Yeah. Like, give me the Kabar we had like two weeks ago where you pulled your phone out. Like, don't just give you a corporate answer. Anyway, it's not his fault, though. I don't blame him. I'm trying to, because that's just, that opens just a more headache during fight week that you just don't need.

So for you two gentlemen, what, two more dominant victories? And then now you're really like, you have, wait, me. Leon Edwards beat Wonderboy and now we're going, okay. I mean, if he beat Edwards and Wonderboy. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Beat Colby again, beat Leon again, maybe Wonderboy. And yeah, I could say Kamar's to go.

Okay. I just think, he's right around. Hey, by the end of 2021, you know, we might. Sure. Yeah. I just think George beating like what, Coschek, Shields, Condit, Diaz, Dan Hardy, Tiago Alvis, like those are,

and those are all titled defenses. Those aren't just fights. Like, BJ Penn twice. Why is John Fitch? Those are defenses. Like, what did, what did Demetius Johnson say when people kept telling him to go up to Bannamway? He's like, how many Champsams have there been right now? And at the time, it was two.

He's like, you got D.C. and you got Conner McGregor. How many fighters can say that they have the most title defenses in USC history? One. And that's what he was chasing for. So I agree with Demetius Johnson. I would love to see Camaro just rattle off title defenses. But whatever gets him paid. I will say this, though, before we move on.

And this is why I can give GSP the goat status at Walshweight because I think Anthony mentioned this earlier. Fighters, when GSP was champ, like kids, teenagers were going to MMA gyms and they were training to fight GSP one day. And for Camaro, that's not there yet. Like, people aren't training. Like, oh, I'm eventually going to fight Camaro's my, like a lot of women. said no

when they saw a Ronda fight when they went to the gym like I'm training to fight that lady one day and that's a lot of pressure you know for GSP and so so Kamara hasn't had that weight of the MMA

whirl on his shoulders yet like GSP had but we'll see if he can handle it it's tough you know it's tough thank you for the question MMG 2K20 in typical fashion we spent 30 minutes on the first question.

Yeah. We did. No, that's literally how it always goes. Yeah. It will fly through. And when Michael Keyes was on, we spent 45 minutes on Bigfoot. This should be an easy answer. Here we go. Nick Diaz, who does he fight if he comes back? Ant, you want this one? I hope it's not Jameh.

That's just like really, really bad idea for multiple reasons. Give us the Robbie Lola rematch. Give it to me. It just makes too much sense. I like Lawler. I like Condit. I like either of those. Or I saw Dan Hardy throw his name out there.

That's a third distant option. But the UFC is going to, they're going to push Shmaif. Because for the UFC... Why not? Why not what? Why not Masvidal? Masvidal. Like Nick Diaz called Al-Mazvidal.

Oh, Mazvidal too, yeah. He was younger, bro. Yeah. But I think the UFC will try to do Shemayf. I agree. Because it's beneficial to the promotion. And Nick Diaz facing, say, Carlos Kahn did or Robbie, it's not a, it's not necessarily a win-win for the promotion. Like, they don't get a sure-shot title contender from that fight. Maybe they do. Sure. But I feel it's going to be Shamiya. I don't want it to be Shemayev.

Yeah, I like the Laller ones one Like the most Lauder Condit, Mazadal, Hardy, distant fourth, either of those four Anya, thank you Zuku Keggi. But that was a big if. I think the if should be enlarged in all cash arrows pointing to a if. When we were in the back and Dana brought it up

and then the Schmo brought up could Hamzaa Shemayev be an opponent and Dana was like, yeah, it could be. Like me and Oscar. Oscar Willis, our friend literally just simultaneously looked at each other. We were like, what the hell is happening? That's all I'm going to think about for the rest of the day. What a terrible idea.

Ask Oscar about his interaction when Nick Diaz at the fighter hotel. It's quite comical. I have some good Nick Diaz stories to you. All right. Okay, let's talk about the star of the week. Paper view on the same night. Mayweather, Jake Paul, UFC, who gets the most buys? Well, the UFC pay-per-view is the week after, correct?

I think it's the 13th or 12th or whatever, and the Mayweather-Paul fight is the sixth or the other way around. Or I'm just incorrect completely, and they're both on the same night. I do believe the Mayweather Jake Paul fight is the same day as the... Logan Paul. Mayweather-Loghaw. Mayweather Logan-Paul. What I said, Jake Paul?

Yeah. Oh, okay. Mayweather Logan Paul is on the same day as the Lopez boxing match. I'm ashamed. I'm embarrassed. I know that, too, but here we are. counter programming. Anyway, if Mayweather, Jake Paul and the UFC all fight on the same night, is it Mayweather versus Logan Paul?

Mayweather, Logan. Okay, this one happens. It depends on who's headlining what. Yeah, it depends on who's on the UFC card. Because, like, my first answer is that Mayweather Paul is going to be the winner as far as by as are concerned. Because it's, I mean, there's so many suckers out there in the world. and there's a 99% chance that if you are a sucker in this world, you are also a combat sports fan.

It's the biggest group of marks the world over. We, just the collective of fight fans, will be lining up to throw money at this foolishness. So that's exactly what will win. See, at least wrestling fans, they acknowledge that they're marks. MMA fans, they're into now. Yeah, they still believe, like, everything. thing is all on the up and up.

Like, no, it's not. It just depends on who's fighting what. Like, if Mayweather is fighting Logan Paul and like if Jake Paul is fighting Daniel Cormier, like, that would be an interesting question. You said it. It hurt for you to say it out loud.

Yeah, because like, I don't put, I don't put, I don't give any headspace to things that will never happen. Like, that will never happen. Like the Connor Mayweather thing, I'm like, that could happen. That could, I could foresee, when that whole time fully was happening, I could see it. I could see that actually playing out. Jake Paul versus Daniel Cormier will never, ever, ever happen.

So I just, I'm like, why are we talking? I don't have time to talk about this. Jake Paul, Nate Diaz, maybe. So I'll talk about that. But who knows? Well, Daniel Corme would never counterprogram the UFC either. He never would. Like, no.

Company, man. He would never dream of it. 100%. But, like, if UFC pay-per-view, like, on 4. Unfortunately, like in Figurator Moreno is like the kind of program, like. Oh, Mayweather and Paul wins that all day long. Yeah. Like all day.

It's not even, it's not even close. I don't even. Unfortunately. To me, unless it's like, I mean, Connor versus John Jones or something. Like, I think Mayweather, Mayweather versus any celebrity. What about John Jones and John? Paul versus any rant. I think, I still think it loses to Paul versus.

Maybe. Okay. now we're getting closer. That could happen. But, but Jake. Lesnar is not under WGB contract. Jake, Jake, Paul versus Ben Ascran, did better than UFC 261.

One of the best pay-per-views we've ever seen. What was the numbers for 261? Yeah, right now. I have no idea. We know it did better. I, dude, I heard from a few people on ground at 261, and this is probably just UFC propaganda,

but I heard it from a few people that those numbers were not anywhere near what they actually were. what they actually announced. Okay, well, traffic numbers. How about that? I'll just traffic. How about just web traffic? Web traffic.

Fair play. Yeah. Because, well, okay, we'll never, never, never know the true numbers for any of these pay-per-views. This is all just what, you know, people in the insight and sources give us.

But just pure web traffic, Paul Ascran, Blue 261. In 261, it was one of the best cards ever, coming into the card and on paper and what it showed, and how it showed up. So,

yeah, it's just weird. It's just weird. Yeah, backstage we have on a big conversation if it was the greatest card in the USC history.

No, I don't say that. I still put you, I still put USC 189's main card as the best main card I've ever seen, but top to bot, like USC 189 prelums

were not good outside of the Matt Brown fight. Matt Brown, Tim Means fight, but 261, from the first fight to the end fight, there was no bad fight.

Yeah, there was... And 261 had, like, it encompassed every sort of emotion you could ever want in mixed martial arts. Like, it was enough, like, like, crazy finishes. Then there was enough, like, just weird things that happened. We got a gross out moment with Wyman's leg. We got the weird drop foot. It's just, it's all the crazy things you can imagine happen on that card. And on top of that, big names involved with just about all the fights in the main card.

So, yeah, if you said that was the greatest event of all time, I wouldn't be mad at you. I wouldn't necessarily agree, but I'm not going to argue. People seem to forget UFC 256. That just happened in December. That was the Figuerreto Moreno card. That card ruled from top to bottom. Like Chase Hooper with a heel hook in the first fight and ends with Figurato Moreno at the end. Like that and like Cyril Gone.

Like that's a card Kevin Holland like slapped up jacqueray from off his back. Cub Swanson and a Fiziv just tore through their opponents on the prelim cards on ESPN 2 no less It was a wild night People forget I think the only thing that was missing from 261

Was an actual Back and forth war At the top of the card I mean there was a good fight in a night Toward the very beginning of the night But toward the top the card Everything was kind of one-sided Unfortunately

I mean Fortunate for the winners But for the fans You know you kind of There's a night You don't want to blow out every single fight. But that's the only thing that holds it back. But it's a great freaking card.

But I think the answer to the question is Mayweather and Paul beats UFC. How much does it cost? If it's 20 bucks, 100%. Anyway, should Reyes be the underdog. Scott McCrae on the site. Reyes versus Prohasker should be... This weekend. But are the bookmakers getting this one wrong?

Reyes is plus 110. As of this morning, just a year ago, many fans of media thought Reyes beat the goat, Jones and would rain over the vision after Jones vacated. True. Can you talk about a win loss? What does a win loss do for both rays and Parasca? Thanks.

And I'm not a betting man. Are you a betting man? Absolutely not. I once bet $10 on Lesnar Carwin and I was very, very upset and I still want my $10 back. So that was the last time I ever bet on a fight. I don't think the odds makers are necessarily wrong. on this one. It makes sense. I mean, last time we saw Reyes,

I mean, we saw Reyes very recently get just steamrolled by Jan Blagovic. So it makes sense to question what he has right now against someone like Yuri, who is just buzz-sawing through people. So I'm not

mad at it. I haven't done a deep dive on like the, of course my son is crying because he doesn't like my pick. I haven't done a deep. everyone online too. Everyone, all the comments are all crying. Yeah, same thing. I know they hate me. They hate me. It's okay. It's okay. I'm

used to being hated. I haven't done a deep dive on like the X's and O's of this matchup, but I'm not upset with the odds makers are thinking right now because there's a certain sound logic to it and I like sound logic. Just the type of guy I am. Casey, what do you make of these odds?

I know you're a big Prohasker fan. I'm a big prohasker fan. Not a big fan of Prohasker's new haircut. If anyone seen it? Well, actually, it's... I love his hair. It's very interesting. Let me rephrase. It's unique, and it's definitely going to set them apart from every

single person in the UFC. Casey, what do you make of the odds, specifically? No, I like those odds. I'm pretty... Okay, I kind of... I disagreed the question just a bit. Yeah, most of the media, including, I know me and Jose, both

thought Ray has beat John Jones, but I don't think after that, I don't think we went, oh, Dominic Gray is now the new John Jones. I think we just thought, you know, Dominic Reyes is, you know, the best, like, heavyweight that day. I don't know. That was me for me. Yep. But, like, it wasn't like, oh, this is the Dominic Reyes era.

I don't think we were saying that. But, no, I, but we might be in the Yeri Prohaska era pretty soon. Maybe. I'm very high in Prohaska. Yeah, I just, I love the way he fights. Now, is Pohaska kind of another Johnny Walker where he's just super exciting, big flashy knockouts? But he can get got pretty easy. Not easy, but you know, you can get him.

We don't know yet. I love Pulaska. And, no, I think these odds are fine. And, yeah, and I think Pohasca will win. I think Prossco is going to beat Reyes. And I think we're going to see Pohasca versus Gleverta Cher sometime soon. That was a double prediction. You see that?

Yeah, I was going to say, double pick. This fight is interesting for a few reasons because Dominic Gray is his last two fights. TKO to Jan, current champ. Weird decision lost to John Jones, but it doesn't matter what we think he lost that night. He's on a two-fight losing streak against former champ,

who many people consider the greatest of all time, and Jan Belhovic, the current champ. Before that, knocked out a middleweight, who has been knocked out a few times, and Chris Wydenman and fought Vulcan Ozedimir to a split decision. Weird fight. Other than that, like decision over OSP,

T-K-O'd Jerich-Kennier, a middleweight. You look at Jericho-Prahaska, just decapitated Vulcan Oztemir. Before that, beat CB Dahlwe, middleweight. Before that, beat Fabio Maldonado, who gets punched a lot in his career. Before that, King Moe. King Mo is good, but probably on the...

Middleweight. Yeah, he was another back end. Also way near the end of his career for that, Brandon Halsey, who I also believe was a middleweight. So, uh, interesting couple of fights. I think this will be very telling for both of them because I do say Jerry Prohaska decapitated Vulcanosemir, but his hands were at his side, almost the entire fight. And you can't do that against Dominic Reyes or you will get your head decapitated.

But, uh, Anne, you want to put a official prediction on this card on this fight? Um, I'll go, I'll go, Reyes. only because he's slightly more proven. And that's, yeah, that's, because you're, we've seen him, you know, piece up a guy who invoking Osmer, whose chin is probably on, on the wrong side of town now. And other than that, he was, he was buzzing through some people at Rising. But Dominic Reyes, even in the loss to John Jones,

showed a lot more than a lot of other 205ers have shown. So I'll go with Reyes. When you say loss, can you, can give me the air quotes? Yeah, I'll give you the air quotes because I was, I was, I thought, I should have won that decision too. Do you think Santos be John Jones? No, absolutely not. I didn't even understand the argument for that.

We were at that one, right? Yeah, that was 239. Yeah, I didn't see the argument on that one. Actually, that's a fight. I need to rewatch because when the fight was over, I actually had Santos winning. But that might have been of my, when you kind of just,

I expected John Jones to dominate it. So with the fact that it was a close fight, the close rounds, I might have just gave to Santos and kind of subconsciously. So, but yeah. And at the time that when it happened, I did think Santos won,

but I could have been just emotional. I don't think John, yeah, John Jones was 50-45 of him, but I did have John Jones winning. Yeah. Upon replay. I can't remember what I thought that night. Anyway.

Yeah, and that was, Jones's weird little era. Like the Anthony Smith invite was right before, See, Anthony Smith was on this show specifically, and he said, people are putting a lot of stock into a close fight with me, a close fight with Santos, and a close fight with Dominic Reyes. Those are three really good fighters that a lot of people have good fights with. So, yeah, I agree with you, Aunt.

He was in that weird stage where he was having these close fights, but Anthony Smith swayed me where he's like, those are really good fighters. And John Jones is far really good fighters. But also, too, I think Jones wasn't he. even trying his, his hardest in those, like especially the, uh,

the Santos fight. It was like weird. He would, he would say, okay, I'm only going to kick an elbow this. He would just do strange stuff where there was a clear path to victory that he just decided to completely,

not trying hard and fighting stupid is not an excuse. That's one you. I mean, I know you're saying, but like, you got to try hard. Also, I mean,

you should try if you're pulling a belt. Also against Dominic Reyes, uh, his wrestling coach wasn't with him. is he is he wrestling is he martinus wasn't in his corner i'm sure i'm sure he thought the dominic this is just me speculating i'm sure he thought the rea's fight would not be a lot of wrestling and ray has clearly put in the work so when he was piece and like remember you we've all seen that image of john jones like turning his back and kind of get running out of the way from reyes

and reyes just kept on him so when jones shot for the takedown rays was right there and stuffed it immediately and kept the fight standing so uh i feel like if they ran the that back, John Jones would have a much different approach to that fight. It won't happen, though. Yeah. Did John Jones fight? Scott.

Yeah, did John Jones fight anymore? Does he have a manager yet? What's going on of that? Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. I know, that was wild. I want to, yeah, I have no idea of it. Yeah, that's a juicy story.

Yeah, I need a question about that. Here we go. Oh, let's talk about this guy. Colby Convinton's possible transition. of being a superstar from Tristan Gordette, 1982 on the site. You think the fans here in America will get behind Colby Comington if he becomes the Welterweight champ, just like how Connor is with fight fans in his country of Ireland.

Does he bolster himself as a superstar of the company being the heel with his trash talking, his charisma combined with being a very good fighter? He's positioned where everyone does want to see him fight the possibility of him driving up favor of you buy. So interesting points you make. Most importantly, he did add, Colby Covington is a very good fighter. Colby Covington is an elite welterweight,

regardless of how you feel about him personally. He could be the best welterweight in the world. Him and Camaro might fight 10 times, and it's 50-50. I think those are the two best welts way right now. I know Leonetta were just there. I just have a few questions before I can slot him into that same group. As we said before, Colby Covington's stick drives clicks, and people tune in whether they want to see him win or lose.

regardless and when he all answered this right now will you American fans get behind Colby Covington and you weren't in tennis at 245 you said right when he fought yeah wasn't there Casey you and I decided to selfishly be born two weeks later

jerk selfish coward anyway Casey do you remember the chance that were very present during the main event between Colby Coventon and Camaro Ouzman I thought they were a battling chance when they were one no they were very much much USA chance.

And that's why it was because we... Oh, I remember now. Because Maro... Because Marrero, you're American. Yeah, they were chanting for me. Yeah. Yeah, he's like, yeah, they were chanting for me. I'm like, I don't think so, my guy.

I love what Camaro said, though. I was like, I'm the American here. Yeah. Oh, no, 100%. He gave a perfect answer. Yeah. Like, that was the big takeaway from that press conference. Teeter Ortiz was also about 10 rows behind me

and was very loud in his support of Colby Covington, obviously. But Colby Covington is Colby Covington a draw? Is he a superstar? I'll let you take this one. He's a superstar in the sense that he can be the heel, like the question pointed out.

I know we talk about someone in the UFC attempting the Mayweather blueprint on being the villain and people paying to see you lose. I think Colby has a better chance of anyone of doing that. If he, because he certainly has the skill to hold the belt, he could do that. If he beat Kamar Uzman and he held that bell, it's like, who's going to beat him?

Because I favor him against everybody but Kamaro in the Walterweight Division. Yeah, he can certainly just rile people up and get them angry and people will pay to see him lose. So when I think back to the first of the Smod fight, the reaction that I saw online was so vastly different from so many other much more spectacular knockouts in the UFC. And that's because there were so many celebrities and comedians and a lot of, really a lot of black entertainers that typically don't say anything about mixed martial arts.

And they were reposting this image of Usman breaking the maga jaw. That was, that was like a big deal. That sort of, that sort of hate that you can carry out there will translate into people giving you their credit card number. so he can be a star in that sense. Like if he got black Twitter talking. Like every time now every time Cote pops up black Twitter is talking.

And Massadol got a little taste of that as well this weekend. So if you can electrify people who normally don't watch the sport, then yeah, you can end up becoming a star. And a lot of brothers ain't on to the UFC like that. But a lot more have been since Magajol. So if we have more opportunities, to see that, more brothers will jump in and I think my son agrees

if you heard that scream in the background. That was black Twitter going after Colby, right? There you go. You know it. Come out, liberate the tonder skirt all, you know. Casey, is Colby Conventon to draw? He's a draw, but I don't think

he's far away from being a superstar. Is the Maga thing still a thing? yep yep after being in Florida I can comfortably did them

goofballs have been in my mentions yeah I thought I thought we were did you see the press conference before

did you see the press conference before the people that spoke before the other fighters came out the governor and all that crap yeah yeah yeah my crap

oh yeah my Twitter mentions kind of took off for a bit too yeah stick it was like stick to sports I tweeted a photo

I tweeted a photo of the lineup of like who was going to be there. And I didn't give my opinion one way or another. I was just like, this is going to be a different style of press conference, I guess. And the amount of arguments in my Twitter mentioned,

let me tell, like, the lift drivers in Florida love the governor of Florida. I know he's very polarizing. I don't know enough about the guy, but there's some things that they said that I was like, my God, man, like try to, if you're going to be racist, at least try to hide it. it don't just come out and say it and then I'm like oh I'm in Florida this

whatever like this is it is what it is but my God the lift drivers themselves were like very vocal about it so I can comfortably say Casey that gimmick will work forever all right Florida is the last place that me and Esther experience

just like straight up open racism not even like coded racing because everything's got a coded racism now but it was just straight up open like oh okay oh man I don't want to say what certain individual certain individual uh lift drivers and uber drivers are saying but my god like me and oscar were just like looking at each other like what is this guy saying right now just just drop us just get us to our destination they're like all right here's what here i'll say one it wasn't raises or anything but like i took a lift in uber with like mike bond he was also in our

our lift right because we're all staying in like the same hotel area and we had to get to the uh i think it was the media day. And Mike Baumann's like, can I sit in the front to the lift driver? He's like, yeah, as long as you don't try, kiss me. And then we like went off to the media day. I was like, what the hell? What is he talking? Where did you get

that from? And Mike was like, okay, I wasn't planning on it. In the very like, Mike Bond phrasing of it, it was very funny. Like, that's the kind of lift drivers we were getting. Yeah, I'd be very popular over there, I'm sure. Does he be boston?

We answer this question. Did we answer his question? Yeah. I think so. Fight fans will, I don't think it will be like an America versus thing. I think it will be a dividing gimmick or stick in America, if that makes sense. I don't think everyone's just going to be, he's not going to become like the Anderson Silva of America where like Brazilians just travel. to wherever Anderson fights.

I don't think that's what will. I don't think any U.S. based fighter will be like that. But Colby Covington's gimmick will forever divide the country. What's a bigger fight? Colby versus Camaro or Kobe versus Masvedo?

Colby versus Masadol. Wow. We haven't seen it yet. I think it depends. I think if Colby gets the title, it would be interesting. They give Mazbo another title shot after two straight.

100% they would. That should have been the next season of tough. That should have been. It should have been. And then that would have been a huge. There should be, there should be no seasons of tough. That's, yeah, in a perfect world. Perfect world.

But we're not talking about a perfect world, Casey. We're talking about the ultimate fighting championship far, far from perfection. The perfectly apolitical UFC, but that's another story. I guess, you know, we're going to have weeks to talk. about Colby stuff and problematic things they've said. So I'm going to go to the next question. All right. Here we go.

We'll try to fly through these. Terrence lever on the site. So rapid fire. Who fills their belt first with Red Ruby's? Valentina or Usman. Also, do they get a new belt after? Ant, what do you say? I say Valentina, just because we can't even see a path to victory for anyone else

in that division. Usman, at least Colby's there and maybe he can do it and they had a close fight already. Yeah, and Leon Edwards is fantastic fighting. There are things that we haven't seen yet as far as Usman is concerned. Valentina is just smoking everybody without the slightest chance of them

getting anything off. So she fills it up first. No competition on the horizon. As long as Valentin doesn't get injured and the UFC books are, yeah she'll definitely fill that up faster um do you guys do you agree that

that valentine at women's flyweight that's the biggest gap as far biggest gap between champion and the rest of the division yes i agree women's featherweight no no women i think flyweight i think it's women's featherweight

i think we still i mean if cyborg retired then i'm talking in the kind of worldwide sorry Okay, because featherweight is, women's featherweight is barely a division. Like, you might have a division between everything promotions. So it's kind of hard to count that. Yeah, I'm talking about worldwide.

Yeah. Like, I think Valentina is astounding. Yeah. I just don't know because she's not fought someone at flyweight that can test her. Like, man, I think that's kind of thing like, who is she going to fight left? But I think that's, that says it all right there. It's not because she's not fighting bums. No, just gone drugs.

She's not. She's fighting. Very serious. She's fought. Every person she's fought, no one can argue they deserve the title shot. No one can argue Andrage didn't deserve it. Like even Lauren Murphy,

after they both want to fire island, she was like, yep, Androge probably deserves it. And I have no issue with that. She made her look like she didn't belong in a cage. It was unbelievable. I picked Andrade's with the upset.

I thought, I thought Androge is going to be a perfect foil. I mean, I'm not surprised if Jinko won. I'm just shocked that she won so easily. Oh, unreal. I still don't get it.

Also, I do want to answer this. I'm sorry, go on. Terrence's second half. Do they get a new belt? I believe they have two plates on the side that they fill up with rubies. I think it's 12. So it's like 6 and 6 or something like that. No, what am I talking about?

I think it's 16, 8 and 8 because of Octagon. And then I think they start filling rubies in the centerpiece. And my only knowledge of this is playing the UFC video. game where one of my champions retired undefeated and when I ran out of Ruby space, that's just what they started putting it. Anyway, why is Valentina disrespected when it comes to UFC women's champs? She's the only one who fought on fight night was put at the bottom of three title fights this weekend.

Also, Zhang was above her in the pound for power rankings or was it simply because the fights were meant to be in China? I believe the original plan might have been the women's fights were going to headline in Singapore. And if you're going to headline a car in Singapore, I don't normally heavier weight headlines, but come on, like, Shane Wei has to headline

in Singapore. I get it. Also, the Chinese market is a massive market in anything, not just the UFC. There's a reason LeBron James has been very vocal about every single political movement and kind of walked the line

on the Chinese situation with like the Houston Rockets owner. We don't have to get into that. she was only one who fought on a fight night yeah that's true also wasn't that fight that kind of thrown together last minute Casey that was the Liz Carmar's part yeah in like Uruguay

well in the Uruguay she also speaks fluent Spanish so I get why she headlined that too and it was a rematch hello I was not by you anyway I don't think you're being disrespected I think so

a little bit a little bit I thought she should have been the co-main event for this pay-per-view because of her dominance at the division. But it's the UFC's, it's not Valentina's prom. It's the UFC's problem that they haven't created a proper rivalry for Shevchenko. Right. Or, yeah, that's all. And I know, I know Dana was trying to push the whole, let's have Wiley move up already. And it's like, what?

She's a 115 or anyway. So, I don't know. slight disrespect, but also, there's no, there's no, yeah, she needs a rival. And,

yeah, that's what we've all said when Giuliana Pena called out Amanda Nunes. Manan Nunes had not had that Shale's son and rival yet,

and I think Julianna Painege talks a lot. I think she's going to be able to sell that fight. Anyway, number three, do you feel like rematches are deserved if a champ loses and hasn't been dominant? So multiple title defenses. And do chants deserve rematches if they haven't been a dominant champ?

Depends on the type of loss. I think from the way Whaley lost to Rose, no, that does not deserve an immediate rematch. Let Rose move on to do something. I'm the opposite on that. Yeah. Okay, go on. Sorry. Oh, no.

No, please. I interrupt you. Sorry, go on, sir. Oh, no. No, I just think that, you know, if you lose fair and square, then just work your way back up. And if you had the belt before, you don't necessarily have to start at the back of the line. Get one more win.

Get one more quality win and then be right back there. But I think the UFC is so quick to burn the idea of rematches and you're ruining the potential for a lot of fighters. Like you think about Cody Garbrand. He's probably the clearest example of someone who did not benefit at all. Think about Max Holloway. Yeah, Max Holloway. Yeah, another good example too.

Like, man, now this. This guy has, you have two losses behind the champion with no clear route to get back there unless you give that that dreaded trilogy match that no one was really asking for. So you're just burning up opportunities, man. Like let them rematch the right way. Like the way Henry Sehudo rematch Demetris Johnson. Let them rebuild. Let them expand on their skill sets and then meet the champion if they still hold the belt. Makes a lot more sense to me.

So Huda was a challenger. I'm trying to think of a champ that got whooped. And then got an immediate rematch? Yeah. Like, Yawanna got an immediate rematch, right? After she got the, she was so dominant. Yeah, she was so dominant that it's not too upsetting. Stepe got an immediate one.

I mean, D.C. fought in between. But when Steve A lost, his very next fight was for the belt. It wasn't an immediate rematch, but Rhonda got an immediate tell shot when she returned. obviously Hollywood lost it was kind of like yeah so you probably wanted to be a different person

but immediately came back to a title shot auto when the auto lost to Connor and then fought for the interim title against Frankie at 200

and then and then he lost to max and then came back to lose the max again on short notice yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't like when they do that

it depends on how they lose also I think it depends on the division if like straw weight specific like we're talking about right now. I assume what he's talking about like, because it's like,

it's used way Lee. Weillie situation. Yeah. Oh. I think, straw weight is by far the most. You are frozen. Sorry.

Oh, me? Yeah. We can all agree. But you're frozen at a really good point. Or you looked like you were thinking. You're like, and in straw weight. It's like,

we were just waiting. Like, ooh. He's going to say something really good. We can all agree the women's strawaway division is by far the most stacked women's division in the UFC. It is so good. Just kiss. So I just think it's a different situation.

Like if Valentina had lost her first title defense, there was really no one next in line. So like I would agree like, yeah, Valentina deserves the next shot. But like, even Rose at the press conference, she's like, Yawanna wants it and maybe the rematch. And Rose brought up, well, we also have to see how Carlos Sparza and Janjaun play out. because like they're both on a tear Tatiana Suarez is out there Tisha Torres has looked pretty good lately

Marine Rodriguez just knocked out Amanda Hebas the one everyone thought was going to be the next champ and now that we lost Sanhagen and Dillishaw Michelle Waterson and Marine Rodriguez might headline that card so like if Marina back to back finishes like the division has to move on

because it's so stacked it is so stacked so also for all these saying it was a flash knockout I can't remember who put it out there and I'd I apologize, I'm forgetting your username. Someone on Reddit, like, broke it down. Like, she showed Wayley training in, I think it was Thailand with, like, a

Muay Thai specialist, and she was learning, like, that hip, like, you know, when you, like, move out of the way of a leg kick and you, like, swivel your hips a certain way, so you can get back and, like, you can keep, it's, like, running in play, so you can keep going. She did that a ton against Yawanna, where she would, like, duck a leg, like, she would move out of the way from a leg kick, but then rock her hips back and forth. Izzy does it a lot too and you could see it like he pulled him next to her like Rose

started low and when Waley cocked her hips back and her face went forward Rose just went up and slapped her so it was it was game planning at its at its absolute perfection where she faked a kick

Whaley did what she normally does and hips back face forward and went right into a baseball bat. I don't think that was a flash knockout I think Rose and Trevor Whitman game planned perfectly and knocked her dead. So I think Whaley needs one more fight before she gets another time shot. But that's not like a type of knockout, a type of fight where you go 10 out of 10 times Rose. No, no, I agree. Okay, that's all I'm saying.

We're 100%. If they run it back, like, who knows? Like, we can all agree like Whaley, Yawanna, Rose are probably the three best straw weights right now. Yeah. Tatteu Suarez is out there. But like any of like, I'm not going to say no to a rematch because that fight is a high level market. large. Don't forget Jessica and Drudge. She comes back down to 15.

She can just come back down and recap it. That's craziness too. I know. Oh, do I love straw weight. It's so good. But yeah, but in terms of Wei Li, I think as far as a direct rematch, I think timing is really there. If there's no more contender,

and I feel with Yawanna out there, I mean, Yowna obviously needs to fight someone to get a win, maybe do a Yonahua Lee rematch. That'd be correct. crazy. But the fight I'm actually really, really looking forward to is if Esparza wins. And I would love to see the Rose Carla rematch. That's actually the fight I want to see the most. Just the problem with the problem with Yana is just when Aunt was talking about. She's already 02 against Rose because they bought back to back. Yeah. So now. Yeah. So it's now it's like, oh man, do we want to see that for a third time? And it,

and neither contest was very competitive. So well, the third. The second fight was close. The first fight she got not unconscious. The second fight was close. The second fight was. Everyone's worth for Rose, but it was a high-level fight. It was definitive. It was definitive Rose victory.

So I agree. You know, I'm really, this is the exact problem with the immediate rematch for a champion. But I'm with Casey. I want to see as far as a back up there. And that would, and that would actually be such a good fight. the story. Yeah, the story between them, they fought for the first strawweight title

and to see the growth in both of them since would be fantastic. And coming into that first title fight, the inaugural title fight, it was all based around Rose. I mean, you know the UFC was like, Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose. She was the one that Dana was saying

was going to be like the next Ronda, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they were all in. They were all in. Cool, cool. Great question. Do do do. Let me look. Let me go to the comments real quick.

La la. Yeah, this is kind of a fun one. Oh, it's big. I'm from Dalton S in the YouTube comments. Am I the only one who wishes Hamzaat would stop chasing big fights and just take another fight? I mean, they're prize fighters. Fight the biggest name you can is kind of the name of the game. It's a UFC thing.

Yeah. Yeah, personally, Jose Young's, I just want to see Hamza fight. I don't really care who he fights. I just want to see him get back in there. If it's a big name, awesome. If it's not, awesome. I just want to see the man fight because he was built up so much. And then for reasons, out of his control, unfortunately, he hasn't been able to fight.

I just want to see the guy fight. Don't care who it's against. Yeah, I just want to see him fight. But the main thing, I just want him to be healthy before we really start thinking about him fighting. So I need to know that he's healthy. and then we can go into fight bookings. Yeah, I think we're, yeah, I think it's so far away right now. When did he say he thinks he's going to be ready?

He said this summer, but that was his, that's what he said. Yeah, and this is also the guy who was training throughout COVID and coughing up blood. So I'm not going to take his word for it. Yeah, let's just, let's just get him healthy and let's see what happens. And he's got a warlord threatening him to not retire to. Yeah, that's fun. what's next for jessica and draughts the top three straw weights and valentina beat her i feel like she's a big challenge for flywood contenders but she can never beat valentina

um i don't think anyone beats valentina so right now i think androge going back to straw weight would be very interesting um she's one-in-one against rose so there's always a rubber match there uh the y the jang the wiley-leaf fight was she lost fair and square but that was she got caught and just got never recovered right away. Wouldn't hate that rematch either because that's a high level fight and then Yawanna, I think the Androge we see now is just a different Androge that fought

Yawanna. I think she would fight a lot smarter than just rushing into a jab in a straight left or whatever it is. I think straw weight would be the move but the short path to the title is probably flyweight just because it's a little more shallow. And what do you say? I say money weight. You just fight either division and wait for a spot to

open up. So she can she can smoke pretty much everyone there except for the champions and straw weight obviously Yawanna and and Way Lee Lee might give her some work so yeah I say money weight man just

just just cash paychecks and when the spot opens up just fit into it straw weight or fly weight Casey yeah pretty much agree with Mr. I agree with I agree with Mr. Walker yeah

Boom. Money weight. Fight a featherweight. F F F it. Yeah. Yeah. I love to see a little chubby Andrade, Andrade, he's just out there at 1.45. Looking like a micro machine just charged. It's like when BJ Follioto would cheat it heavyweight. Who, yeah, who's the tallest featherweight? Yeah, let's have the tallest featherweight.

Yeah, Megan Anderson versus Jessica and Dr. Get a six foot tall. Yeah, we need a good foot difference. That's, needs some circus fight. I think he can Anderson's taller than all of us. Yeah. Very tall. Do you think Daniel Cormley made a mistake

confronting Jake Paul this past Saturday? The more attention these brothers get, the more success they'll have. So annoying. I'm talking. I don't think you made a mistake. Like, if someone pops off at you, you're going to say something back.

Like, and Corme is obviously, for as buttoned up and professional as he can be, he's also kind of a hot hit. So if you poke at him, he is going to fire back. that's just his personality. I don't think that's necessarily wrong. But given the Paul's attention, I mean, it's clearly working.

And as I said before, if you are a sucker, if you are a mark, if you are someone who is easily swindled, there's a 99% chance that you are a combat sports fan. So here we are talking about the Paul brothers. Is DC a mark? Absolutely. Yeah, he absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely.

He is a huge mark. so yeah, he played right into that. It's not necessarily a mistake. I mean, the worst case scenario for him is that he gets a payday. Like, you know, if, if, big if, if he is allowed to, like,

Dana White is annoyed by Jake and Logan Paul enough. He just might let Cormié take one of them won in a boxing match. He just might, and he might get paid. Dana White would never, never let D.C. fight a boxing match because there is a 1% chance. D.C. loses that. And can you just imagine if D.C.

But he's let fighters, like, I remember Stefan Bonner was saying that Dana gave him a release to like let him fight Tito in Bellator because he just hates Tito. We're talking to Stefan Bonner. DC, DC is basically the second, outside of Rogan and Dana himself, DC is probably the third biggest public face for the UFC. Like the air apparent to the

being the face of the UFC, yeah. So I get it from that perspective. That's why I think there's just zero chance the UFC will green light it. Yeah. I don't know. That's my thinking. Yeah.

I mean, he would absolutely annihilate Jake Paul for the record. If anyone is doubting that. So I'll just leave that. I'll let that statement stand. But did he make a mistake? mistake doing it, even giving him time. Like, dude, if I go on Twitter right now and call

LeBron a punk, do you think LeBron shows up at my driveway, you know, for basketball, like, all right, let's do this. I mean, like, I don't know, like, that's what basically D.C.'s doing these, oh, you, you call me, you call me fat. I'm going to have to fight you now. The blonde's not a prize fighter. Yeah. That's a totally different thing. It's like you're dealing with, when combat sports, you're dealing with different sort of personality types. And that Gradual egos. LeBron James has a lifetime contract worth a billion dollars with Nike.

I think he's fine. Doesn't need it. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like Colby like popping off at LeBron on Twitter. Like LeBron probably doesn't even know. Like LeBron James responding would be like his detriment. What's this equivalent to?

I'm trying to think of a different. Like what's the basketball equivalent to Jake Paul? This is the equivalent of... I can't... I'm sure... I was thinking of a hip-hop example, but... Well, I know you're going to know what I'm talking about. Casey, do you know who Brian Scalibrini is?

No. So, Brian Scalabrini... Yeah, you know who Brian Scalabrini is? The name is familiar. He's the white mamba. He's the white mamba. He was a very tall, red-headed, goofy-looking clown that played in the NBA for the Celtics,

and he was just the goofiest guy. And he had kind of... He had like a cult following because if you saw him, he'd be like, no way this guy plays in the NBA. He was like the 12th man

on like an NBA Celtics championship team. And so many people are like, I could beat this bum. I'll beat this bump. And he goes, okay. And then he did a tournament.

And if you beat him, he gave you a bunch of money. And if he beat you, all the money wants charity, he cooked everyone. Everyone that showed up. He just smoked. It wasn't even close.

He gave him like five point advantage. And he was like, he just smoked him. That's the equivalent I could think of because Brian's Galabini has nothing to lose. He's like, whatever,

I'm the 12th man in the NBA. If you beat me, you beat the 12th man, but you're not going to beat me. That's the only thing I could think of that has happened in the NBA, where a, like, the worst player on a team welcomed all these people to come get the smoke, and he cooked them all. I think of, to me, like, Jake Paul was like, if he was, like, the MVP of, like, slam ball, like, okay, now I want to, now I want to go to you, Johnus. It's Janus.

Janice. This would be the equivalent of like, do you remember when the Lions were like, oh, and 16 and like Alabama was like just running train on everyone. They're like, oh, could Alabama,

Queens and Kyle beat the Detroit Lions? I'm like, no, the Lions are grown men. Also, in college football, if you catch the ball and fall down, you're down.

In the NFL, you get lit up if that happens. Like, it would never happen. It will never happen. Like the worst player in the Lions is still the best player. or a college team. Pretty much.

You know what I mean? Just about. Yeah. Like I'll give a hip-hop example. Jose, you'll appreciate this on Jay-Z's The Takeover. He had like all these people popping shots at him. And the last line, you only get half a bar, F, y'all.

Talking about guys like J.O. felony. Like J.O. felony, maybe a good rapper. Maybe have a couple hits, but you're not J-Z. You're not on that level. So this is the same sort of thing right here. I agree. Also, I would like to add, Jake Paul has some very serious accusations going against him, playing out in the media right now. So, if that guy, if those are true, because those are horrendous, let's get that sorted out before we even discuss the man having a fight against a high-level MMA fighter.

Fair enough. We ran on time because we started a little late. So we started a little late, we ended a little late. Yeah, yeah. And we spent a half hour in that first question, so pay it forward somehow. Real quick, okay, fly through these.

Quickies, perfect, energy 2K20. So rapid fire, just give me your first thought. Can you think of a quick plus more exciting main card than U.S. 261? No fight went past the second round. So main card specifically is this the greatest main car in U.S. history? No, I'm agree with you. 189

is. Casey? It's the quickest. That's all I'll say. Quickest. 189 is still the greatest because that was insane. Thoughts on Ariel confirming that Tatiana Suarez injured herself again and who is next for Rose? Ant. Carla Sparser if she gets past the young lady who's name

going to mess up the pronunciation of. And Tatiana Swares will never be the same again. Everything Aunt Walker said. Winner Jan Jainan versus Carla. I am absolutely heartbroken for Tatiana. If she was the never got hurt, she'd be the champ. Usman defended his belt two times. since Colby last fought. Does anyone else not

like the idea of Colby just waiting to be picked? I don't care too much. The only thing I don't like is that Leon Edwards is out in the Cole, but at least he gets the big Nate Diaz fight. Boom. Casey? I understand why Colby didn't fight because the bigger money fight is there and so I wish he had another fight. I wish we had a Colby Wonderboy or

something like that, but we don't. So this is how it is. It is what it is. Their first fight absolutely ruled. And I I think that the two best welterweights have no issue if this is the next fight. Where the chance is the winner of Lean. Leon versus Nate gets the title shot instead of Colby. Zero. And?

Big chance. If Leon goes out there and sparks Nate and becomes a star himself or if Nate does the impossible, that is the next title fight and Kobe will be left out in the cold as if he had an interim belt all over again. I don't think Leon has a shot or Lean has a shot. If Nate does win, actually I do think there is a chance. It's going to be a price thing.

Whoever will fight Kamar for cheaper, Kobe or Nate, I think. No, winner fights Mazur-Dal. By the way, Real quick, people hate Nate Diaz for not fighting, not fighting, and then he takes the fight

that everyone thinks he's going to lose. So why don't we give props to Nate Diaz for taking a fight that's freaking very, very, very, very tough? Everyone, like, craps on him, you know? Five rounds, too. Yeah. I've said to this a few times on like between the links and preview shows and stuff.

I'm so happy this is five rounds because I like Nate Diaz and I like Leon Edwards. None of us know how the Mazel Diaz fight would have ended if the cut didn't happen. I think we all agree that might as well still probably would have won. But the fact that that is even an argument or like if it's a three round fight, like say Nate loses a three round fight, he goes, oh, if you had rounds four and five, he would have won. Five rounds, settles it. no argument if he loses fire on fight anyway moving on i still think the winner fights mazvidal by the way just noticed hosey looks a lot like soccer player called manuel lanzini please gole him

i have absolutely no idea who that is someone's telling me in the comments if that's a good thing freaks anyway freaks super league are we closing out kacey yeah i hear the music so that's a wrap aunt you know the drill what you want to say before we close out this episode of the A side I just want to say that I appreciate being on yet again and I probably will not be back for quite some time because this second baby is coming and my life is about to be completely overrun by babies so it is what it is love and peace check out the walkout network see my weekly podcast Unleashed and follow me on Twitter Kung Fu Bao let's get it ooh got him Casey what you got to say

Aunt Walker, stop making humans. Come over to my dojo and get these bows. Well, actually, Casey, I enjoy practicing making humans. So, who is that. Oh, geez. Oh, hey, hey, hey, yeah, no risque here. My wife was slaggers. Knocked that hat off.

You just booed. Congratulations on the practice from every man. Congratulations. Anyway. No demon slurs. questions. I'm disappointed. Oh, dude. I started watching Demon Slayer. Dude, isn't it so good?

I'm two, uh, two episodes then. I love it. I'm digging. I dig it. Here's a thing. Because people, thank you for not, no one tweeting me spoilers. I finally saw the movie. I literally landed and went to go see it. Fantastic. You don't really need to see it. They do a really good job of setting the backstage. If you don't like cliche, anime tropes like Naruto One Piece, DBZ, Dragon Ball, all that stuff,

don't watch it. Art is second to none. The lore is great. go watch it and then we can chat next week i expect only demon slayer questions all right peace and love oh and there's a there's a guy that asked a mortal combat question on twitter oh there was the movie the movie was so fun that movie sucked i loved it i did i did i did see this i were i had that too crap it's so bad that movie was so horrible but i'm like i watched that movie was so bad but i watched it for the same reason i watched squirving game it's It's just a silly goose time and people are getting killed up with crazy magic. And that is exactly what I got.

I was trying to find that question. I lost it too. Yeah. So here's the thing. So John Jones is Jacks, right? If you had a silly goose time watching Trillet, you're going to have a silly goose time watching Mortal Kombat. Because that was the same entertainment I got. Just tomfoolery and ridiculousness all around.

Human being. A cunt and half with a hat. See you next week. Pairs good with edibles. Oh, yeah. Smart man, smart man. Let's be a positive message for the kids as we fade out. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.