MMA Fighting - The A-Side Live Chat| UFC 247 fallout, Jon Jones’ win over Dominick Reyes, Valentina Shevchenko’s next opponent, MMA judging, more

Episode Date: February 12, 2020

For this episode, José Youngs sand Petesy Carroll discuss Jon Jones’ controversial title defense against Dominick Reyes at UFC 247; Valentina Shevchenko’s TKO over Katlyn Chookagian; the main event rematch between Corey Anderson and Jan Blachowicz at UFC Rio Rancho; the recently announced Bellator middleweight title fight between former champ Gegard Mousasi and welterweight champ Douglas Lima, and more. Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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here with another episode of the A-Side Live chat. I'm sure you guys were watching my mouth move, but weren't hearing me talk. But Pizza Carol is, of course, returns. Pizzi, what have you been up to since last we saw you? I know last week we had a quote unquote extra live episode of the A-side live chat because Alex Savis was wonderful on. She made her A-side debut. Pizzi, what did you been doing? Not too much, just watching a shitload of fights and you know, trying to break a load of news, which has been slightly successful this week. But,

you know, excited about the return of Rugg-Rug, which we announced, we reported yesterday. So I'm, very excited about that. Oh, it never stops, doesn't Pizzi? No, it does not? Well, Alex killed it last week. We had a pretty good response. I'm sure she'll be back. A lot of people are wondering where when I said, when I had posted, Alex was returning. Some people thought it or was making her debut. Some people thought I was referring to the bad boy, Alex K. Lee. And that would be a disc because he has been on plenty of times, has Alex. He's been on plenty of times, as Pizzi has said, but he'll be back nonetheless eventually, maybe when Pizzi's finally, when the least finally catch up with Pizzi, we're going to need a replacement.

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You can leave your comment in the comment section on MAMAFighting.com, or you can use hashtag the A side on Twitter. lately we've been getting more Twitter questions than questions on the site so without further ado p.C we're going to jump right into the questions from clev 21 on the site headline is jones it appears somewhere along the way john jones has taken a step back do you believe it's a matter of him losing focus or motivation or the division catching up to his skills or perhaps his downturn can be pointed to the emergence of usada what say you so yes p c carroll of course you watch for the second fight in a row, John Jones squeaked out a decision. And I say squeaked out of decision, mostly on this one, because a lot of people believe he actually lost Dominic Gray's. I'm sure

we'll talk about that later on. But to answer this man's questions, what is going on with John Jones? Yeah, I mean, we don't know, I guess, but it is, I mean, there are some pretty good theories. I mean, is it a lack of motivation? Is father time catching up with John Jones? You know, we have to note that this guy is the most tested athlete according to Jeff Novitsky and you know it hasn't been a resounding Jones over the last few performances and you've got to wonder

what that's about is he taking these guys too lightly like he seemed nearly insulted by Reyes suggesting that he had an edge anywhere against him in the lead up to this fight but um you know he was very equal to the challenge as he said it's a very controversial outcome people weighing in left right and center and look it's not the not the first controversial outcome or that Jones has had in the last year or so so yes it does it does feel as though maybe

something is up is the gap between him and the contenders a lot less in disparity than we thought it was or is he simply not getting up for these fights um it's hard to know but um i don't know I feel like every time we've seen the guy in a rematch you've seen a different side of him right He's come out so resoundingly against Gustafson, so resoundingly against Carmier. I guess by booking a Reyes rematch, which seems to be definitely the flavor of the month now after what's happened compared to all the heavyweight talk we had before this,

I think we'll answer some of those questions, as in he will want to go in there and definitively answer that question, I believe. Well, I think our camera, Casey Ladd, made an excellent point with this whole John Jones' better in rematch talk. A, the first John Gustafin fight, what, there was like six, seven years between fights. So it wasn't an immediate rematch. He's never really had the immediate rematch. And then technically, the second fight with Daniel Cormor, he didn't officially win, if you look at the fight finder, as Casey Lotton would point out multiple times on the coffee talk.

But nonetheless, he did win more violently than the first time. He did put an exclamation point on that fight. But he's never had the immediate rematch right away. I don't think this is a matter of John Jones not taking his opponent seriously. Maybe his training camp was a little different. I noticed Israel Martinez wasn't in his corner, his longtime wrestling coach. Maybe he thought he didn't need a wrestling coach against Dominic Gray. He's a predominantly striking heavy fighter.

But then he was shooting him for those takedals, nonetheless. But I think there's, and I don't know, I'm just speaking on this from looking on the outside looking in. even before Dominic Reyes's this Dominic Reyes fight what were the fights that John like the first fight John Jones had not struggled but showed glimpses of being human was that

Leota Machita fight I think he clearly lost the first round when he got clipped by that that flurry that came in Leota Machita a predominantly South Paul fighter and then Ovin Saint-Prew a South ball fighter probably his weakest performance inside the

Octagon in terms of excitement and dominance and then Tiago Santos switches a lot, clearly showed signs of didn't know what to do with Tiago Santos. I know a lot of people say Santos won 1-2-5, but I don't think it was nearly as controversial as this fight with Dominic Ray's. And the Dominic Ray's, I asked him at the fighter panel, he is a Southpaw. Like he tweets Southpaw precision when he knocked out Chris Weidman. And I was like, do you think John Jones struggles with Southpaws? And he goes, well, we'll find out on Saturday. He gave one of those answers. And then you saw John Jones looked more human than ever before.

I don't know if it's a Southpaw thing, but just looking back through his previous fights, John Jones has historically shown signs of not being this world beater against Southpaws. I was watching your beautiful face as I was watching the main event, your Cadeside. What was the mood like as the fight is playing out there? Were you sitting there thinking, well, I'm about to see the king dethroned? I mean, what was the atmosphere in Houston? watching it from the octagon side that third round which seems to be the controversial round seemed a lot closer and then i rewatched the whole second and third round and i was like oh wow the third round didn't

the second round didn't seem close at all and i scored the third round for ray as watching it uh through the broadcast but uh octagon side it felt a lot closer than i thought it was there were huge john jones chance throughout the arena that as the fight went on you started to hear Reyes chance, Ray is chance, let's go Dominic, let's go Dominic. So I think the crowd sensed they were about to witness John Jones be dethroned.

Well, well, and like yeah, I see, I know we're probably not getting onto it yet, but you kind of mention it there. The second round is up for debate, and I just don't see how that's going for Jones. I don't either. Casey, Esther, Alex and I watched it

in Houston, literally the next day before coffee talk, wow like even john annick was like yeah the second round was a swing around and we watched it now we were like how like what are you what are you you can understand you can understand i'm maybe getting lost maybe thinking it's the you know the third or something you're just on the on fight now you know how it is yourself your your your heads all over the place when you're trying to keep up with these especially a five round fight but um yeah it's so you you're sitting there just just so we can get this the in my head and you're basically awaiting them to say the winner by unanimous decision dominic gray is

on you? Um, I didn't know. When it was over, I didn't know who won, but I thought the judges would give it to Dominic, considering, uh, yes, his back was to the cage the whole time, but that's how John Jones, that's how Dominic Ray's likes to fight. I thought Dominic Ray is might get the decision, but based on the judging the whole night, I had no idea because the one judge gave, I'm sure we'll get into it, but like there was one judge that gave James Krause that said James Cost lost the first round one game judge gave Andre Ull all three rounds that's I didn't know that's what's upsetting me the most about this whole thing to be honest James Crouse like I mean that was um that should have been one of the big takeaways from

that whole weekend it was unbelievable to watch it as it was happening and um you know it's very deflating and when you hear about that scoring to be honest uh someone in the youtube comment section ray said a couple good rounds gassed out and didn't engage for the rest of the fight Jones won controlled the octagon wons round three four and five so some people do think John Jones wins I don't like this whole narrative though you have to beat the champ to become the champ or maybe he even if he lost even if he did quote unquote gas out in rounds four and five I still think he won rounds one two and three and if you're looking at this fight as it as it scored where you have to look at each round individually and score them individually like he won like one two three and then say

he did cruise four and five like that shouldn't mean he lost just because he didn't blitz out the gate around's four and five yeah and to be fair i credit jones for his um his abilities of rally in four and five he did very well in four and five um it's one of the most impressive things about him that he never seems out you know it never seems out of a fight i guess he's always bringing it um in those last 10 minutes those championship rounds i thought he was he was brilliant but as you say that doesn't disturb the way i had scored the first three rounds of the fight. So, you know, look, a lot of people are saying robbery. I don't know if you're going to call it a robbery. It's a close fight. They happen all the time. I mean, as I believe

it was me and Casey on a previous coffee talk we were talking about, you know, you can have a 3027 and it can be a razor close fight, you know, based on what happens in the cage. I think, you know, MMA fans are too quick to be outraged constantly. Every weekend, we're calling for people's jobs, you know, everything. I just feel like. I don't know if that's a robbery, but I do see some issues with the scorecards on the night, of course, and with the commission. It's pretty 50-50 looking at the YouTube comments right now.

Someone says if it was a fight to the death, Tyler Serrani says if it was a fight to the death, Reyes would be dead right now. John Sue says, but that's not in the judging criteria. They don't have a part that says, if he's close to death, score to 10-9 round.

You know, there's absolutely anything to do with the criteria there. S Saxman, I think, put it perfectly. Pride scoring Jones wins. This is score round by round. Therefore, Reyes won hands down. So, yes, like, you're not looking at the fight. Like, it's not a fight to the death. It's round by round.

And if you do round by round, I think Dominic Reyes wins three to two. It's similar to the, but then, like, scoring can come in all wonking and stuff like that. Like, if you look at the, what, the Tyson Fury, Deontois with the first fight, I think if you're going, if you're just giving one point per round, I think Tyson Fury he wins more rounds, but because Wilder had those two 10-8s, it comes

into a draw. So it just depends. It's, it's, this is, there's rules. It's not like you can like in baseball, you score one run in every inning, and then you score no runs in the 9th. So you're winning 8 to nothing. You're winning 8 to nothing in the 9th, and then all of a sudden, the

opposing team scores 7 runs in the 9th. It gets 7, home, get 7 straight solo shots, and you lose 8 to 7, no, you still lost. And then it's 3-border. Yeah. I don't have to tell pizza about American sports. No, you don't. Definite end zone stuff there.

Oh, you should, when we were in Houston, Casey, Esther, and Alex had to deal with me when I found out that mooky bets was traded to the Dodgers. Oh, you're treating about this. Yeah, I didn't know. What was going on? I was absolutely demoralized. Like, my heart was shattered.

And I was tweeting about it, and people like from your side of the pond or people that don't like sports thought my dog died. Because they thought I had a dog named Mookie. And I was like, no, Mookie bets that my greatest player in the Red Sox have had in years was just traded for peanuts. Anyway, that's neither here nor there. Moving on. From Trumbo, a longtime commenter. And again, the questions in green are getting prioritized. initial thoughts on

Gaygard-Nusasi versus Lima for the title. Love this fight. Gay-Guard has not been very active since joining Belletor. So yes, Pizzi, I'm sure you heard the news. Lima, Douglas Lima, reigning

Bellator welterweight champion, is moving up to challenge Gaygard Musassi for the vacant Bellator Middleweight Championship the world after Hafeel Levado Jr. relinquished the title due to an ongoing medical condition. We wish him well, nonetheless, regardless of his fight, career just want someone to get healthy and live a normal life but what do you make of this fight

between lima and musasi i've i'm not trying to say i'm not trying that to use this colorful language i'll leave that to you but i absolutely love this fight yeah i really like it um and it feels like there is a lot of guys coming uh you know in the ranks at middleweight there but they haven't just declared themselves as that contender yet you know what i mean so i think lemma deserves a profile boosting fight he obviously had won against MVP and then to win the belt again against rory in the rematch but uh i feel like this is the right way to go with him and it really will underline how elite he is if he can do to massasi what rory couldn't right like i mean before rory fought musasi we were thinking this is going to be a very competitive fight right and then

musasi pretty much um overwhelmed him i felt on the night i thought musasi was incredible in that fight so i feel as though you're douglas maybe you're stepping up to a new weight division. You know, a higher weight class. There's a dominant champion there, or a champion there at least, I guess he's only, but there's a vacant title, sorry. But there's a guy there that's dominant in the division.

If you can go in there and win, you look amazing. And look, if it doesn't go your way, you've really lost no ground anyway. So I think it's a great booking from Bellator. Yeah. It's interesting that if Lima wins, I tweeted this,

if Lima wins, and then Ryan Bader's also fighting on the card if he retains his light heavyweight championship and I'm blanking on who Ryan Bader is fighting right now and it's Namcoff if Ryan Bader retains and Douglas Lima or Douglas Lima wins that means every Bellator championship from heavyweight to featherweight would be controlled by three fighters because Bader would be heavyweight light heavy weight Lima would be middleweight and welterweight and then Pitbull Patricio Pitbull would be lightweight featherweight

that would be six titles being controlled by three men and if this happens in the ufc that is a massive like logjam of like contenders like having to fight one another and we wouldn't we would not get as many title fights but i think it works and it's awesome it's awesome in belator i don't think it would work very well in the ufc yeah um what did you think of the tweet that went out before and the picture of usman and lemma and then kind of cocker piggybacking off the back and off the back at well they won't make as if he sat down with the ufc and try to make the fight you know right like i i want i want that fight i want cross promotional fights like i would love it i would love seeing like lima and muslin or like imagine like wonder boy versus MVP or like mazvidal and like i

don't know anyone like like like there's a lot of great fights in that bellator versus ufc ULTT is never going to do it because what do they have to gain Nothing Nothing they don't cross around with anyone They're not going to cross promote with anyone They would do it for... I have liked the fact that Belator doing with Reyeson And there has been talks about

TSW doing with Bellator as well Which I feel is an all-brainer With both of these guys trying to tap into Western Europe At the moment I think KSW Has that pretty much has Eastern Europe Lockdown And they're both trying to get into Western Europe now So I feel like that that's a thing that makes

absolute sense for them to do is Phil defree still the champion of KSW yeah and I mean that's what I mean it's kind of better would be awesome oh it would be incredible yeah it would be absolutely incredible and they need like they need things like this as well um both promotions because I feel like the freeze

doesn't have a lot of guys left he can actually fight he's destroyed all the the really dominant Polish guys over there and beta's run out options as well like I mean it's not like we're like oh this guy is next a heavyweight you know so why not if they could do it they should I think it would be brilliant.

And it kind of, it makes UFC look like the odd one out, right? If all these other promotions are doing it for the good of the fan and UFC aren't. The only thing the UFC has that the other promotions don't, like you've been saying, is they're not running out of matchups for their champions. That is true. Well, apart from Valentina, right? Apart from Valent. But not even.

I still think there's a handful of female women fighters. I would love such as. I would know Jennifer Moja, Roxanne Mottafari. Well, I don't know if Jennifer May is going to fight a flyweight next because she's missed weight a handful of times. But like, there's a narrative there for Roxanne. Joanne Caldew has not, the UFC's, I feel like, has been trying to get her a title fight for years. She just keeps losing those number one contender fights. I don't think Valentin has done, is out of opponents yet.

But like, you're talking about like featherweight, bansom weight, welterweight. It's like throw a dart at a board and anyone in the top five you could get a title shot, no problem. Yeah, that's true. That's true. And on Valentina, I think, by the sounds of things, we interviewed her on Eurobash on Tuesday. It came out. It does sound like Jojo was likely there. And that's a good fun fight, I feel like, for the Floyd Division, you know?

I like that scrap a lot. I wish it was Roxanne. I think Roxanne is the most popular. It's never been more popular. And I think strike while the iron's hot. And I know Kevin Lee has said that he took this fight against Charles Oliver in Brazil because the UFC promised that he would get Islam-Makka. on the next russia card in russia uh because he's doing this this bit where he goes to all these

these fighters like enemy territory to fight their fighter like he did it with greggeralesby in new york and i was doing with charles olivar in brazil and he wants islam in russia like when we presented that fight to him in new york he's like will it be in russia and we said probably not he goes i don't know if i want that fight then uh but if it's in russia he would take it and i think if the ufc is already planning this russian card raxan modafari beat valentina's sister in Russia. I think Valentina versus Roxanne in the main event of an ESPN plug card in Russia with Kevin Lee, Islamakachev is the co-main event. If Kevin Lee gets past Charles Oliver, like, there you go. You're welcome, UFC.

That's very good, yeah. And that's really what they need for Valentina. Need compelling stories as well. I do feel as though, like, you know, I think it would be impossible to pick against Valentina and Chevchenko and any fight a fly away at the moment. And her first title fight against Dika Bantanio was like that short notice fight where Sejar Ubangs had to pull out and like they kind of got matched up at the last minute. I believe Roxanne was actually supposed to fight Lauren Murphy on that tough finale before she got the title fight. And then she's been losing the fighters that have missed weight.

Like she fought Sejar UBank's mixed weight. She fights Jennifer Maya, Jennifer May and misses weight. She loses out on the Liz Karmouche fight because Liz Karmouche gets pulled to fight Valentina in Uruguay. So I feel like Roxanne's getting the short end of the stick a lot with their opponents missing weight. And she's she was. She was my, like when we were in Vegas together, Macy was minus a thousand favorite, and Roxanne wins. And if you look at our YouTube numbers,

outside of like Connor and Cowboy and Dana, Roxanne did the best in terms of post-fight scrums. I think she's never been more popular. I think that's the fight to make. The storyline is there, but I don't, I like the fight with Jojo and Valentin. I just think that's a super awesome high-level striking competition.

Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, like even what you're saying about the missing weight thing, you remember Roxanne celebrating as if she basically won the fight already at the weigh in just because her opponent made weight. It was incredible. And she even said, like, Lauren Murphy, who won, which if no one brings up Laura Murphy, Andrea Lee, I'll bring it up at the end. But Lauren Murphy called out Roxanne Modafari and Roxanne then tweeted, like, I'll fight you as long as you make weight and don't step on my foot. I don't know what the step on my foot thing means, but Lauren's like, of course, I'm going to make weight. I never miss weight. So you know that that's always going to be in the back of Roxanne's mind, her opponent possibly missing weight. As it should be. But moving on, we're getting a lot of questions about these.

There's a lot of questions regarding the scorecard. So we'll talk. Clef 21, rounds one through three. Did either you score any of the rounds for Jones? Why or why not? And then Zaku Kegu Kegi, why were the first rounds typed in in the race? rest of the scores handwritten that i don't know uh so but we're getting a lot of questions for about this scorecard so pete c what did you make of the judge's scorecards two judges gave it 48 47

to jones one judge gave it 49 46 to jones your thoughts i had a 48 47 to reyes first three rounds and i felt like he was landing the more effective strikes and so that's that's why I picked him. What did you make of 4946? I don't know. I think I've watched it four times now as well. The whole fight?

Yeah, well, yeah, bits and pieces. Like, I mean, we watched it again before Eurobash year and I watched it again on the morning of Eurobash and I've watched it again now. I don't know. Like, basically I'm watching a lot, the first three rounds, I'd say,

is the majority of what I watched. But I just don't understand. the second round. I can see the third round being more debatable than the second. I just don't get it. The second round. The third round is the close one for me. Watching it live Octagon side,

I thought it was a lot closer than it was, but upon re-watching it with Casey and Esther and Alex, I think Ray is won. But right there, immediately, I'm like, I don't know who won that fight. I was talking to other media people around me, like the Schmo and I were talking Octagon side. He goes, that third, we were

pretty 50-50 on that third round. uh there was another writer local reporter who was like i don't know like he's like oh johns broke his nose like he has to win heart of the champion i'm just like it's not how this works guy uh he might have lost that round so but it seemed to be pretty and then i and then going through if you watch the the the press conference the post fight press conference we were killing a lot of time so uh casey just gave me the mic like we normally do is like go kill time and just start talking to like our YouTube commenters. It was like 19,000 people watching and I was like, who do you guys think one? Like write Reyes if you think Ray is one and write Jones if you thought Jones one.

And it was just like, just like a, just like 4,000 comments in a row of just Ray as one, two, three, three, three, three, three, three, five. And then I walked around asking all the media. I bet I think 90% of the media had Ray as one. There were a handful that believed John won. And then Mike Jackson, former UFC vet, said, Jones won four rounds to one. And then our YouTube comments just like rinsed him. And I was like, well, be nice, guys. Be nice.

But it was vastly majority, Ray is once, especially in the YouTube comments. I mean, it's, yeah. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I'm not going, this is a robbery. This is, this is outrageous. But I think the 49, 46 guys pretty outrageous. It was, yeah, I like how Ray is like, Ray is in the press. conference is like, who are you?

I think I'd like to have a word with you, sir. And I was like, ooh, get him. Did Reyes, like, I know, obviously he's not going to be able to see it this way for a long time. But did he gain a lot because he now is the sympathetic figure here. He is the guy everyone's like, he should have won, he should have won. And now everybody is, as I said, gone off the heavyweight thing. In fact, people are saying, like, if John goes to heavyweight, he's going to get destroyed by someone like in Ghana, he was destroyed by someone like Steepai.

Um, has this kind of guaranteed him, um, another shot at the title and, and a lot more eyeballs on him. Um, if he, if he does, like, you know, well, just a lot more eyeballs on him. I can see your face there, as I say, the immediate rematch. Um, and look, form dictates that that probably won't happen when you look at his other fights. But, um, it certainly should, you'd feel, right? I mean, it's, it certainly feels as though it, the public tours for the rematch is, is huge at the moment. I want the rematch. I want the immediate rematch very badly.

I think it really depends on how this Rio Rancho card goes. And if Dana White wants to make that fight, John is, he went on this, not tirade, but he was posting a lot on Twitter yesterday. He said he rewatched the fight, and he's more confident than ever before that he won three to four, three rounds to one or four to one.

I don't, I don't remember his exact terms. But then a fan was like, why don't you rematch him and just put an end into the conversation. And then he got, and then John was like, someone call Uncle Dana, get out the checkbook. Like, so I think it's up to Dana. I think we really want to see how this light, heavyweight fight between, uh, Jones and Jan Blockovitz goes or Corey Anderson, John Blockovits and Real Rancho, because John is going

to be there, he said. Uh, if Cory Anderson goes out there and does what he did to, uh, Johnny Walker, it wouldn't be surprised if they give to Corey Anderson, especially because John Jones has already, was already talking about Corey Anderson, even before he fought. Reyes, he's like, I want to break the chip off of Coriannis' shoulders, this and that. But if it goes out there and it's like another snooze, if it's a snooze fest

or if it's another, like, Jan versus Jocqueray fight, I bet they do the rematch with Reyes. I just think it really depends on how the real Rancho card goes. Yeah, this is one I was thinking about it on the Sunday after it. Before that fight,

I thought Jones was the pound for pound best fighter in the UFC. Did you? Yeah, I still do. Do you? Yeah, that's what I'm trying to think. Has this taken away that the fact that there's two controversial wins back to back? I don't know. Has that taken away from this argument?

The only thing that has changed for me is now when John is about to, like before this weekend, or I even thought like, I don't see, like, Reyes could win, but I just, I don't see it happening. Now I, the thought of John Jones losing has never been. more prevalent in my mind. Like I don't, but I still put, like, he won. Like, he officially won. That's a W on his record books. So I still have him number one pound for pound.

I don't think he's standing in the rankings changes. Yeah. Who would be above him, Habib? Yeah, maybe. If he beats Tony's going to have a good argument, right? If he goes out there and just dust Tony in like, or he taps him or just, like, mauls him for that's a different conversation but I think right now John is still that I think John is still number one uh but anything else dare we speak of our excitement levels just yet for that one

no because that fight's not going to happen uh grin and on the on the cycles what decision win was more controversial GSP winning a split over Johnny or Jones winning a unanimous decision against Reyes at the time I could remember GSP there was absolute murder over that wasn't there I was there for that. UFC 167, and I think that one sticks out to me more just because of Dana White after the fight. Like, just call, like, because also George retired after that fight. It was madness. And Dana was like, how can you retire?

And then, like, remember he was like, George is being taken to the hospital. And then all of a sudden, George shows up at the press conference, like moments after Dana White is just throwing him under the bus and rinsing him alive. And then George is like, it's like, Dana White. looks like just looks super embarrassed they just talked all this trash on george his champion calling him out for retiring and then all of a sudden george shows up when dana white said he wasn't showing up so i think that one sticks out to me more uh and it might be more controversial uh i don't know though yeah i mean it's it's hard to gauge a kind of you know side by side because it's just so long ago but um yeah it's a good it's a good comparison though definitely there's some people were saying this

was the biggest controversy since that fight and the Diaz Condit fight. Oh, remember that one, too? Yeah, that was wild. That was that was for the interim title. Like both like these three fights seem to be the

most controversial as of life, but it might not even be the most, in terms of like this is more controversial on this on 247 because the title was on the line. It was John Jones, more eyes run and everything. But if you're looking at like, the most egregious error, I think in judging. I still think it's Andrew Lee, Lauren Murphy.

Just based off what I'm seeing, like, if you go on MMA Decisions.com, every single media member, every single one scored it for Andrea Lee. And half of them had it 3027 Andrea. And the two of those judges gave it to Lauren Murphy to win. And that's the fight that Joe Rogan called out one of the judges for being on his phone and not watching. If that is the case, I think this is the most controversial of the night in terms of discrepancy between fans

and media and the two judges that scored it for the winning fighter. Yeah, maybe, boy, I think we should say that the monitor issue, right? The commission have come out and talked about the floor monitors that they give them. Also, Ben Cartlidge, one of the most, the most respected judge in Europe

has said that he definitely was giving floor monitors when he was refereeing in the I mean, sorry, judging in the UFC. So you just get that out there as well because I feel like that kind of adds to the hysteria, you know, when you got stuff like this. So that guy seems to have been doing his job, probably not very well, but doing his job nonetheless.

Yeah, and but see, here's the thing. You and I, we know that. Fans don't know that. So they're going to- But Joe-Rogan should know it, right? Like, Joe should fucking, like, he's sitting just there. But Casey, Joe Rogan doesn't lie. obviously.

I mean, like, Joe Rogan is is, Joe Rogan is infallible, apparently. So when he calls, and if Joe Rogan has one of the biggest platforms

on planet, not even just MMA, if he says something, a lot of people are going to listen and believe him. Elk on DMT, baby, all day long. Oh, God.

Well, a lot of, what's next for John? We already answered that. Santos and Reyes, Anderson versus Bachavitt. So I'll ask you this then, because a lot of people asking what's next for John? What if

they don't book the rematch right away, what's next for Reyes? I think the only reason they wouldn't book the rematch straight away is John gone with the heavyweight. So the winner of Corey and Jan gets Reyes, I guess. I think, again, it depends on

what happens. I think if the winner of that fight gets John next, maybe the loser gets Reyes. or I like the winner of Anthony Smith versus Glover-Teshire in the main event of UFC Lincoln. I think the winner of that could fight Reyes. I just like that fight. Smith fought John Jones five rounds. Glover-D-Share fought John Jones five rounds.

Glover-Deshire got beaten up badly. And Anthony Smith didn't have the doors blown off him. So three former John Jones opponents, the winner of that fighting Dominic Reyes, maybe for another title shot down the road, I think would be a fun fight. but again it really matters i think we're gonna have we're gonna know a lot more after this ufc real rancho card yeah yeah it's kind of like i feel bad for yan and corey because ahead of this point when we've been talking about this point every week and lead up to it we're talking about the implications it has on being jones as next opponent but this is feels like it's

nearly obscured it before it even happens you know agreed agreed like now but now there's going to be a lot more eyeballs looking at this fight like if if they put a if they put a big performance on and they race and they talk of the immediate rematch or if they go out there and have like a five-round snooze fest, it's, I feel like the winner of that fight is going to have to put on a spectacular performance to leapfroggle over there. It's just not going to have the same end with the oieballs on it, right?

Like, it's just not, like, I mean, it's just not going to be the same thing. But what they might have is if John Jones is sitting there Octagon side and they show John watching the fight and they show the two kind of getting in it. And what if John Jones enters the octagon after to stare down with his next opponent and this and that? It could be a lot of

We're going to know a lot more after this fight card, I think Well, that would be him forcing the narrative if you ask me If he did show up there, that would be a big indicator as to where he wants to go That would be a big indicator as to his roadmap because surely if they were like John we need you to sit case over this fight And because you know it's going to determine your next opponent be like I'm absolutely not sitting Cade so then because I'm going to fight Dominic Reyes next Yeah, you're not wrong You're not wrong

From SJY on the site who will be the first person to beat john jones rea santos dc someone else or he goes undefeated for the rest of his career francis and ganon there you have it folks what about stepe he's gonna be his he's not he's not fit at the moment right i think it's his eyes uh something about his vision yeah that's that's a bad like like that worries me when i hear that stuff like to hear in hindsight what michael bisman was doing for years is fuck is terrifying you know it really is is and I've got nothing more respect for the guy but it's it's very dangerous man hopping over to Twitter you can use hashtag the A side on Twitter and we will look for

your or you can just reply to the tweet with the link because that seems to be most people to do from a young nile mcgrath on Twitter Jose you might be my mentor and life coach I will never be you in I never be equal to you in uh heights or fame and I by height I'm me in like physical height. But I can't wait to punch you in the face. Well, Nile, you might not be able to, you might not be able to reach. Like physically, you might not be able to reach.

So we'll cross that bridge if we ever stand side to side. Maybe I'll get down on my knees and you can throw, you can throw a punch up. Lads, I'm not happy with this. This is, I can't have this civil war continuing. Hey, but it's on him, man. I'm just trying to get, I'm just trying to better his life experience as a whole. He's the one coming at me foul. look i never said you didn't do that you're constantly reaching out to him and going in his career i'm

not trying to say that but not even his not even his journalistic career like his life as a whole just a general life coach just a general like who's that tall cat that connor gregaros walks around with tony robin john cabner yeah john yeah so like nile win or learn that's all i have to say i've got some twitter questions this week will i go to them uh Let me ask you this first. Fran, fan of Mr. Stationery. Mr. Stationery, longtime Twitter commenter, Pizzi doing his odd scissors move for all the people saying.

I like down because it looks absolutely ridiculous. That one's the winner, so. Interested question. Wondering which trilogy would you like to see the most this year? Jones and Carmier. That's the trilogy you would want to see most in 2020? Yeah, well, I mean, it's, the perfect note to retire on for Carmier

and it's a test that John has to get up for. Like, it will just eliminate that doubt that question I have at the moment of is this because he is not taking his opponents? Is he taking them too lightly? I think the rematch would answer that or the the Carmier fight, but I feel like a trilogy fight, a heavyweight,

John Jones, Daniel Carmier, answers a lot of questions and it's a good way for Carmier to leave the sport if he is just going to fight one more time. I like Steve Bain, DC a little more right now. I don't until his eyes. Like, I mean,

alright, if he's fully fit, yeah, but I know. I feel like Jones in DC. What about Connor and Nate? No. Yeah. No. No, he says. Well, I mean, like, yeah, I'll like it, but I don't like it more than damn at the moment.

How about Michita and Musasi? No, it's not up there with them, to be honest. I agree. I'm literally just trying to think of trilogy right now. Yeah, trying to think of trilogies. Oh, you're, you're going to get up for Liz Karmouche and Valentina Part 3, right? Yeah, absolutely. Because the second one was so indecisive. What about that? What about Valentina Nunes? The time could be very good for that one. Like, I mean, yeah, like, that would be very, very good.

I was thinking about that today, actually. How big it might be now in comparison, right? Because they're on different levels now, both of them. And, you know, it shows Shevchenko in a very different light. She's very different around Nunez. She's an absolute competitor. Like, the sport is what means the most for her. And I feel like we see a very different side or when she's fighting Nune as a person who has two wins over.

It brings a completely different side of Chavchenko out. And, you know, with all this spy talk, it could be a good opportunity for her to play the heel because she's such a nice person all the time in all of her other fights it might be a different viewpoint on her. Yeah, I don't know what's, I'm trying to think of other trilogies.

Like technically, Steepade JDS would be a trilogy, but I don't want to see that fight. Jermaine de Rondonis again. Oh, wow, I forgot about it. I always forget about that first fight. Whitaker Romero would technically be a trilogy, but I don't want to see that. Yeah,

I can't think of many trilogies off the top of my head. My answer is Steepade DC because that could actually happen. I'm going DC Jones. Unless MVP and Lima just fight two times this year then I'll see that.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind. Yeah, I'm trying to think, man. I can't think of anything else outside of that. Shogun signs to Belvoir and we finally get Machita Shogun 3. Like none of them are going to beat our picks, though, right? Like, I mean, we could do this all day. anyway

you got any questions on Twitter I have so many so you can what do the people want to hear from Pizzi Carol do you know who Rugg Rugg is Of course you've talked about him multiple times on this show

So Rug Rugg is a Selang Ligleez wrestler Who made his MMA debut Against an established French fighter Called Safayan Bokashu And basically broke the internet He escaped a Camorra Ripway Slamming Bokashu on his head And then basically just

ran sprinted at him and threw punches until boxed year was like just basically collapsed on the floor and couldn't take anymore it was outrageous and now he's fighting a five and old guy on april third i believe it is in brussels belgium on aries two and that was actually that was initially earmarked to be one of the first major events in france but if you remember there was a month where it got put back and i think that obscured it but andy stevenson the great andy stevenson is asking us if you could match rug rug with someone in the u s c today who would it be And I know who I'd pick straight away. Lay it on me. Greg Hardy. Wow. That's not what I'd expect me to say. That would be outrageous, wouldn't it? That would be some, that would be a circus, for sure.

But I mean, this guy's only one in O and MMA, so I mean. Sure. Sure. Two athletes from two different backgrounds. Let's see how it goes. Hey, man. I know who I'm picking. Any other questions you got on Twitter before I hop back over to mine?

Loads, but. We'll just do one more here, and then we'll go back over from the great Philip O'Connor, who was frequent to my fighting content in the fight weeks. The great one of course. Yes. Could you ask Jose Young's if there's any downside at all to being so damn sexy, or is it a blessing every minute of every day? Hang on there.

Is this what the people want to know? This is it. I just want to get the quotes ready for the article afterwards. Well, here's how to do it, Phil. Dye your hair. Put metal in. your face specifically on your nose and ear and then get a bunch of ink put into your body and then then you can get first hand experience well well there you go it's as simple as that Phil

it's as simple as that see you see you and hair style next week in sweet I really hope next time I see Phil he just walks up and he goes hello fellow youths and he's just sitting there with a bunch of like tattoos and face face and be like dear god what has happened to you feel are you okay Phil you look so beautiful I just go blind all of a sudden right you go you go to twitter and i'll when when you're so well i'll ask our long time comments are sean denny are we getting matching t-shirts for rug rug mania aries two in brussels do you know how many mma people are going to this point just to see roguerug i saw sean who goes to all k s w events uh brad warren the cage various commentator it seems like we've got a little

frack going over to watch this bad um it's uh he's definitely injected a lot of excitement of the European scene with this announcement. I'll tell you that much. Tori... And yes, that's a T-shirt. From Tori's lizard. I don't know what that means. Hey, Pizzi and Jose.

I want to know if you think either of the Diaz brothers make a comeback in 2020. Only way Nate Diaz's comeback is for McGregor, right? McGregor or Mazvedal. Yeah. Nick, I don't even want to see it.

Nope. Porre has been calling out Nate a lot. Maybe that fight happens. I don't honestly know. I know money talks, but I know Nate is very adamant that the UFC never gives him rematches and is pretty livid over that fact. So I think he comes back for Connor or Jorge.

I don't see him coming back if those fights aren't presented. So 100% no for Nick. I'd say 60% chance, or 40% chance we see Nate. Yeah, like here's the thing. I feel like if I'm Connor McGregor's team, night is the natural next step here. Like, I feel like that's the fight I'd be pulling for if I was Connor's team. Because I feel like, yeah.

Like, you know, like, I don't, it's not my preference. I don't think it's, it's not the fight I want to see the most with Connor next. But I feel like his team, they've been in there with him twice. They have a good feel of what the fight would be like. I think just in theory, I think it's a more winnable fight than the other options that are out there at the moment for Connor. I agree. And the one final one before I kick it back to you, specifically for you, Pizzi. Well, I'll answer it too, but I think you'll have a better sense of it.

How much of a kick in the teeth is it for UK MMA fans that would v. Dotson fight is this weekend and not at U.S.C. London. To make things worse, the fight isn't even on the Rio Rancho main card when a lot of UK fans would love this to be a UFC London co-main event. Yeah, I mean, I've said it before. both Arnold Allen and Josh Emmett I know that that fight didn't come to fruition in the end Arnold ended up taking on Nick Lenson said I'm winning that fight I feel like

Alan and Wood are essential that you need to put those on the card they need a spotlight and they've just completely completely overlooked that like Nathaniel Wood so synonymous with London like anyone who's followed Cage Warriors the regional scene

his whole identity within Cage Warriors is built around being the London guy he was their London ticket seller he's from London that's a guy that has to be on that card and this is the second I think for the second year in a row that he's been with the UFC

he hasn't no sorry he did fight his last fight was in the London card but look he's got to be on it and yeah I think it's a huge fight and it's buried on the undercard as this guy has said but we do have to make a counterpoint here that Dodson

went to Prague to fight Peter Yan and you can't always have it one way. You can't expect John Dodson to be flowing all over the place to fight these up and coming prospects because he's the guy that's giving them this status. When you fight John Dodson, if they come away with the win, that's the profile boost for them. Him beating a Jan at that time or a Wood at that time doesn't do the same amount for him as a win over Dodson does for those guys. So I understand it from that point of view, but I feel with just a little bit more planning,

we cut our Arnold Allen and Nathaniel Wood in compelling fights on that card. and I think they missed a major beat by not doing it. Even though I do like the card, I do like the UFC London card. I feel like those guys should have been right there at the top of the list of people to be on that card. And maybe Nathaniel Wood gets one of these, like, he gets the rub later on. Like Nathaniel Wood goes to Rio Rancho. Maybe he's even headlines a London card down the road. Maybe this is like the UFC asks him for a favor.

They'll say if you win this fight, we'll put you in a more prominent place on a London or Manchester. or whatever card. I do still think, and I'll beat this drum, I'll keep beating this drum. Holly Holie Holme, Rekyll Pennington, too, should have headlines the Rio Rancho card, Holly Holie Holm. You say Nathan Wood is synonymous with London. Holly Holm is synonymous with New Mexico.

She's not only trains there. Like, John doesn't, like he trains in Albuquerque, but he's from New York, right? New York. Like, Holly Holm has had the vast majority of her boxing fights in New Mexico. So this fight, that fight, should have been the five round main event or even if they stuck it in the co-main event just to sell tickets. I thought that that would have been cool.

If they, I get that they might want Corey Anderson-John Blackfish to be a five-round fight. So if they just stuck Holly Holm the co-main event, cool. Or if they had put Corey and Yon at UFC 247 in the fight leading into the two title fights and moved Juan Adams, Justin Taffet, down to the prelims, I would have liked that too. So they would have the light heavyweight number contender and the light heavyweight title fight all on the same card. embedded would have been a lot more interesting with Corey Anderson and John Jones and Dominic Gray is walking around bumping into each other. I'll tell you that much.

But the fights are happening and I like the fights no matter where they are, but I agree with you. A little bit of, to quote, the former host of this live chat promotional malpractice. Yes, yes indeed. I had a point that I wanted to make after that, but I just forgot what it was. You're welcome. You're welcome. Looking at Twitter still, you can still use hashtag the 8th.

on Twitter. Should there be, oh, from Jerry McCarthy, another long time commenter. Should there be formal peer reviews of judges and judges, wow, as my phone starts to ring. Should there be formal peer reviews? Wow, what's all happening

to my computer right now? Oh, God. You're all good. I can see it. I'm sorry, Jerry McCarthy. Should there be formal peer reviews of referees and judges after every event in the bigger promotions like there is in soccer and rugby? These are non-continuous

contentious and serve mainly to educate rather than punish the less strong officials end up not getting main events. So, Pizzi, what would you say to peer reviews in MMA judging? Peer reviews, are we talking about someone having to justify what they've done on a scorecard? I think he might mean, like, other judges reviewing judges. Maybe like saying like, oh, I don't, I don't quite understand because I don't know how rugby and soccer does it. But would you want, I think judges should be should if it's controversial like that I would not be opposed to the judges answering questions and justifying why they gave John Jones four rounds. Absolutely. And to be honest, the best commissions in the world they do actually ask people to justify their cards post event.

I know some judges and they are asked by the commission heads, why did you score this fight this round? If it's any way not in, like, you know, if it sticks out as a. Joe Solis's cards have done in the past. I believe I saw Shaheen Alshaddy tweeting that, you know, I think he'd been involved in eight split decisions. Yeah, like eight split decisions out of ten fights or something. I don't know what it was. Something crazy.

Something outrageous anyway. Good commissions will ask that man to justify that. And I do feel as though the best officials in the world are transparent. Mark Goddard, for instance, any time that guy has had a questionable moment, he comes out and speaks to the media. We've seen Herb Dean do it in the past. Even Ben Cartlidge, the judge in Europe, has done it in the past,

has just to fight his own cards. I feel like that's what we need. We need to hear these people talking about it. And it will also calm the hysteria. Like, they might, we have to remember here. I saw about 7,000 podcasts telling you how a fight is scored this week. And that's great, that's fine.

But we need to see a judge kind of break it down. And look, these guys, there are brilliant judges out there. There are fantastic judges out there that do brilliant, brilliant work, that take their job absolutely very seriously. And they're disgusted to see their profession dragged through the dirt when something like this

happens in Houston. UFC should be, like the commission should be identifying who the best judges are in MMA. Having boxing judges overlooking MMA fights is absolutely ridiculous in this day and age. You're going to tell me in the biggest state in America, you can't find a few judges who solely deal in MMA

to judge these fights. I think that's the problem it's it's overlooking simple things that could uh result in a far better officiating process on fight night i believe i agree uh i could not have put it any better myself i know baseball has done a few things like that where if it's a controversial call a umpire will kind of explain like what like baseball is a little more cut and dry it's not as subjective as mbma obviously but like if they were not if they were looking i i think it was when the red sox and chronels play in the world series like one was yeah yeah yeah When one umpire was looking this way and something was happening behind him,

he was like explaining why he was looking that way. I don't have to tell you that. I remember that. From Daniel Pompeo, Peleo on Twitter, what will UFC fighters wear once the Reebok deal is over? Hopefully lots of fun shit again because Reebok sucks. I don't like it at all. It's terrible.

Like, I actually, I hate when I see a regional fighter from Europe forging a personality and you know having their own style having their own thing going and then you're like oh inevitably you're going to the UFC and all this is going to stop and that's and that's basically why it is at this stage and everybody knew it was going to do it before they came in they haven't spent enough time and building brands around the fighters and working with specific athletes like they're always saying oh yeah look at this t-shirt we made it's exactly the same framework as every other t-shirt with a different symbol on it like i know we've had some good ones style Benders was really cool for the Melbourne fight, but it's all right, one good t-shirt.

Come on, man. Like, I think it's, I, I hope it goes out so we can get a bit more style going into the octagon, to be honest. I have no idea what it's going to be. My gut says Under Armour, but I say, I only say that because, uh, when Wiley Zhang was won the belt, a lot of Under Armour athletes were tweet, we're tweeting at her congratulations. Like, just on my, is that a coincidence? like The Rock, Tom Brady, like a lot of Under Armour-sponsored athletes were tweeting at this new champion. So that's literally this, that's just a gut feeling.

But I have no knowledge. Is that not W-O-M-E, something to do with them last or whatever? W-M-E-I-M-G, I believe also. I don't know the exact thing, but don't they own some stake in Under Armour or whatever. They represent those fighters. So I don't know. I have no idea. That's just my gut feeling.

I know under on I hope they're able to I hope we're able to make money again and get sponsored on your shorts and do all that fun stuff like I mean it's you know these guys are sold traders they have to be able to sell themselves

at the end of the day and making them all look like carbon copies of each other isn't a great way to do that it's counterintuitive towards you know self-promotion yeah and like Connor having the tattoo like he has his logo tattooed on his arm I remember when that logo came out

like I knew who Connor McGregor was when I was covering if I remember thinking like if I wasn't a journalist, I would wear that hat because I like that, the Fighting Irish logo. I think it was like the Connor, the doodle he had of the fighting Irishman. Connor, what's his second name? Connor, it's a young cat named Connor McGregor.

He's pretty good. He's pretty relevant in your neck of the woods. I'm looking forward to looking this guy up and learning all about him. Yeah. Yeah. You might, uh, you might stumble upon a few, uh, things that might shine you away from him, but nonetheless do your research, Pizzi, uh, considering you know nothing about Connor McGregor. Another question from Sean Denny as we close in on the end of time.

Come on, Denny. I said that very ominously. What are must-haves in your event travel bags? Baby whites in case I get a dose of the shits. Sure. Sure. That's essential for me. Petsy also needs an entire bag of makeup brushes or makeup sponges.

Exactly. In case, you know what I mean? In case I get any spots or whatever. You don't know what I'm saying? Because you break your face. What is you? of anything that's essential though like that you'll you'll put in your bag before you go do you bring a comic book to every event uh i bring one graphic novel for the plane ride and then i always stop at a local

comic book store and buy two or three graphic novels so i don't want to i don't want to bring a lot of books to read because i know i'm also going to bring a lot of books back so this past trip to houston i brought volume two of 20th century boys and then i went to third planet i want to say which two UFC PR people text me being like, there's a comic book store connected to the fighter hotel I was like, oh God

no way, was it? At Media Day, we finished Media Day and Casey and Esther were like Jose, you should probably go check out that store. Good store didn't like all the rules. There were rules everywhere saying don't touch this, don't remove from shelf, call for help.

I'm like, you guys take yourself way too seriously for a comic book store. And you'd know, let's be honest, it's not a bit too, it's too much. And like every single, like these books behind me imagine if every single book was in a

plastic sleeve like a book not a comedy not a floppy not a not a back issue like a graphic novel in a plastic bag on the shelf so you can't pull it out and like sift through it you basically just have to look at the cover

and then they're like if you drop this book you have to buy it I'm just like you guys are what the fuck I don't I didn't understand it I didn't like all the rules and there seemed to be an older gentleman following me around while I was in there, like making sure I wasn't breaking the rules. Like they took themselves way too seriously. And they were like, no.

And they sold toys too. Like a lot of comic stores sell toys and figurines. And they're like, we do not accept returns. If your toy is broken when you buy it, it's up to the company that made the toy to give you your money back. Or like if the book is missing, if the book is ripped, take it up with the publisher. I'm like, you guys have a lot of cool stuff in here. but you're taking the fun out of buying books.

I'm sorry. Maybe they just get robbed an awful lot. That's what that sounds like, to be honest. I don't know how they would be robbed. Like, it was a very, like, if someone stole something from the back and they ran out, they would basically run out onto a freeway. Like, there's no way that they get robbed that many times.

But that's neither here nor there. The comic store in Las Vegas is very good. I can't think of it off the top of my head. You got anything else on Twitter that you're seeing? Am. No, I have, I think I have one. from the great Casey. Hit me.

Let me just make sure that this is for public consumption. All right. It seemed like a lot of respected media say that round two and three were close, rounds that could have gone either way. So by that logic, a 401 scorecard is justified.

So why are people hung up on the judging in the main event if all the scorecards are justified and not considered a robbery? Say it again? It seems like a lot of respect to media say that rounds two and three were close rounds that could have gone either way so by that logic a four one scorecard is justified as in it's not a robbery because if there's two swing rounds yeah yeah yeah could potentially have a four one who's saying it who else is saying round two

it's close besides john annick i haven't seen i don't know i haven't seen too many i i don't i think john winning three to two i wouldn't call it a robbery because we're both in agreement that round three was very close. Like if you, if someone argued with me that John won round three, I would say fine. Like, I don't have an issue with your, it's round two for me that I don't think is close. So I don't know, I don't know too many outside of Mike Jackson and John Anick that scored four to one for John. I think Casey's saying, like, why is everyone hung up on the main event instead of the likes

of Lee and Murphy, you know, something like that? It's the title. It's John Jones being the greatest fighter of all time. it's it's the championship it being it being five rounds uh it's more eyes we both i i said at the beginning like uh andrily versus lauren murphy in terms of discrepancy between the judges the fans and the media was way different than john uh ray is like john ray is i think at the time there was a lot of people that thought ray is one but since it's calmed down i'm seeing a lot more people come out of the woodwork saying john won i don't see a lot of people at all

saying Lauren Murphy won. So if you're in terms of how like the biggest, the most egregious error, Murphy Lee is by far the weirdest one because like again, zero media scored it for Lauren Murphy on MMA decisions. And half of them said she didn't win a single round. So that to me is a little more out of control. But the fact that it's John Jones losing or John Jones winning that makes it that much more controversial.

Andre Eel 2027 carried against Marcinas. of that? I thought it was weird. Same thing. It's the same judge that gave Chavin Giles. Round two, round one against James Krause. He found himself stuck in a red naked choke for like four minutes and then apparently that's enough for him to win the round.

It's, I don't get it. I know Dana White. Dana White was oddly, did you watch Dana White's post-fight press conference? I saw bits of it. I had it on a loop, so I was watching them all. So you know what I mean? I was particularly attention to the Chefchenko, though, because we had the interviewer that day. So I don't,

It's a different Dana than we've seen lately. Like Dana White, we talked about before. It came out and just like threw George St. Pierre under the bus. Like Dana White has been known to say some ridiculous things after fights. But then after this, when he goes, we're not judges guys. Like it's just we don't make the rules. Like we have to educate them. Like I didn't hate anything Dana White.

Like usually I leave a press conference being like Dana White just said the dumbest thing ever. I don't think you said anything dumb at this post fight. press conference it was much more uh promoter talk than dana white talk do you think that they will be reluctant to go back to houston texas in general maybe maybe not a big title fight but they had they can't not go to texas there's massive market there especially like if if jeff neal and starts continues his ascension and dago fahua continues his ascension they both live and train out of texas they have these these superstars uh at fortis m m m m mary hall all of a sudden found new life at fortis uh i i i they can't not go back especially with this emergence of this new camp i think jeff neal versus

like say michael kiesa if they had an event another event in san antonio or austin i think that's a great fight fight fight night card you're i hall if he wins against jacqueray i think he's a great fight night card in texas uh so no i don't think it'll deter them maybe not a big title fight has has the the emergence of this well not the emergence the the building of this raider stadium Do you think that's done away with the fascination with Cowboys Stadium? No, no. I don't. Boy, what is that?

Why is Cowboy Stadium such a big one in comparison to any other stadium? Because it's... Is it a cultural thing? It is a cultural thing. Like, the Dallas Cowboys are America's team. I don't like the Cowboys. To me, they haven't been America's team in a long time. But the Dallas Cowboys, I think, are the most famous football team around the world.

Really? It is, I believe so. I bet more people know about the Dallas Cowboys than any other team. Maybe the Patriots. Maybe the Patriots now, but like the Dallas Cowboys are one of not only the most famous, but they are one of the, they are worth the most, I believe. Like the brands the Cowboys is worth is massive. There's a lot of fans of the Cowboys that have never been to Dallas.

Like a lot of like states like that don't have a team. They just default the Cowboys for a long time. That stadium is beautiful. It is so nice. The, like, they did the NBA All-Star game there once, and the Jumbotron was bigger than the basketball court. Holy shit. It is the biggest Jumbotron I've ever seen in my life. Like, if you put, like, Connor versus, like, I don't know, Maswe Dahl in there,

which I think would do, which I think could be a fight, they could, fill that place up. Their picture on the Jumbotron would be bigger than the actual fight. It would be an 8-foot tall Connor McGregor, like on the screen. It's crazy. It's so big that if you watch NFL punters warming up,

they try to hit the Jumbotron because it's so low. Fuck. That's crazy. It's so big. It's so cool. Plus, it is in Texas. It's super close, which is not super close, but it's close to Mexico. it's close enough to Mexico that you have that Hispanic market too. So like boxing and everything. Well, Masvahana and Connor would be wild there then, right? Because, like, I know, I know he's from Cuba,

but he has definitely reverberated with the Mexican people, right? Like, I remember he showed us. Hispanic people in general. It's also indoors. So, yeah, like, if you had, like, the Miami has that beautiful stadium, like MetLife Stadium in New York, New Jersey is a beautiful stadium. But it's an indoor stadium. it's a beautiful state it's beautiful this Vegas one is going to do really well that they're also

building an LA stadium for the Rams and the charges where they actually they just announced WrestleMania is going to be there next year so I think these will be all be all on par in terms of aesthetics and feel and crowds and everything but the the Cowboys brand is just bigger and it being I feel like that's been the crown jewel for so long that that would have to be the first big stadium it's like mass square guard isn't the greatest arena by any means but it's just that it's madison square garden that makes it special if that makes sense and we could go to four flags if we do get an event there as well that way yeah four flags right yeah what a place and esther i told esther that she could not stop laughing i genuinely thought i was called four flags we all

it's five flat it's it's nine flags right nine nine nine on them six flags over texas sir yeah And nine flags is the name of the amusement park, right? Sure. Why not? You need to go and get to sleep. We've run over time, of course, because we had a blast. Sorry, we couldn't get to everyone's questions. I'll remember some of them for next week.

But as per usual, Pizzi Carroll, the floor is yours for any promo. You want a cut. We need to stop the civil war between our of my fighting podcast, that Jose Young's and Noel McGrath before there is, bloodshed before someone loses a great life coach we need to end this beef we need to noil is becoming more violent in his messages towards you and yeah i saw that and i'm just afraid there's going to be blood spilled and we're going to lose one of these great podcasts uh because as most people know i can't do these things by myself they literally have to type in words onto my

WhatsApp and tell me what to say every time. So I need to just end it all. I want an end to Jose and Noel's beef. And I think the people should get behind us and think of ways maybe that they could resolve this. So if you could tweet Jose and Noel and suggest maybe things they could do together to build a relationship, that would really make me very happy. And of course, you know, if there is one particularly great idea, maybe we'll try and

make it happen somehow. So let's just try and do that. Let's think of ways that will bring. Jose and Noel together. They're very different people. So let's try and think about what kind of common ground they could meet on to become the great friends. I'm sure they will be in the future.

Someone did ask on Twitter. When will we see the most anticipated fight of 2020? The Westmeath warrior Jose Youngs and the Kildarek killer, Dyle McGrath. Listen, it's the mansions of South Dublin against the fields of Westmead. It's the fight that everyone's waiting for it, So what you're saying is, so what you're saying is I, Jose Young's, the champion of the people,

will be going up against someone pretending to be from Dublin. I think this is what I'm gathering. He's from Kildare. Most people know that. But most people don't know that, should I say. And he got, you know, they moved to like the rich part of Dublin now and they're trying to separate themselves from their former past. But I'm just trying to add to the backstory here. You know what I mean?

It's, you know, Jung's very. versus McGrath. I don't personally want to see it. I want to see an end to all this stuff. But yeah, I believe it is a fight that captivates the nation. Listen, if Nile wants... Maybe more so than McHp. Be doffy too. Listen, if Nile wants to just sit down, break bread, I'll teach him how to read. And then we can... And then we can put this behind me. Because once he learned, once he literally finally learns

like grammar, then we can, then we can be friends. You know, that's going to take way too long. One of us could be dead before them. He's going to have to put down the beer and sandwich first. I don't even know where that, I don't even know where half of these things come from. I'm just assuming. What's your promo?

My promo. I was going to talk about Laura Murphy v. Andrea Lee, because I thought Casey convinced me there that that was like, I didn't know that that many judges scored it for Andrew Lee, or that many media members scored for Andrew Lee until after the facts. And I was like, whoa, yeah. Because I missed that fight because I was in. reviewing Kamara Usman backstage.

So Alex Savis interviewed Lauren Murphan. I thought she did absolutely great. It was great working with her. My promo will be. Guess who said he would love, it's not even a promo. It's a little plug. Guess who said he would love to be on the A side sometime? I literally just wrote down that man's name because I was like, shit, I better ask I was like about this.

It's Captain Crystal, I believe. Captain Crystal, Jared Canaan there was backstage doing a guest fight as far. Oh, yeah. I go, I was like, Oscar Willis, our good friend over at the Maclife was looking at me, just be like, don't ask, don't ask. And I was like, it's up for this pirate you got around your neck. He was like, when I tell you. Did you see his face like light up when I,

he was the most animated I've ever seen Jared Canaaner, including the time that he went to Brazil to fight Anderson Silva, and he had no luggage when he arrived in the country. So that's how, that was the best question there. So what's Oscar's beef? His face lit up. And then he started to talk about, like, energies. And not only, I don't know if you, could you might have missed it from my camera angle.

We was talking about his pyrite. And while he's talking about his crystals, he took two more crystals out of his pocket. And he was holding them in his hands. And I was like, this guy rules. And then Aske was looking at me the whole time being like shaking my head. I'm like, this is now in all of your scrums. You're welcome. Yes.

You know what I mean? You're welcome. You're welcome. Taking over, slowly but surely. And then I went and I told him about, because he doesn't use, he's not on Twitter ever. So I told him how Jessica does the crystal keys to victory and how Jared Canaanaires kind of become a fan favorite on our show. And he's like, really, I had no idea.

So let him know that you want to see him on the A side because he said he's down if we can figure it up. You know, it would make all our dreams come through. Make all our dreams come through. Did you see his interview with Aaron Bronstetter? Refresh my memory was about. Aaron Bronsdeter, TSN, is a good friend. He watches the show sometimes, and he knows our love for the Crystal Talk.

uh he gets all the since he's a broadcast partner he gets all the one-on-one's backstage he does at the end of his interview he go they were talking about crystals a little bit he goes what is your favorite stone if you had to pick one and jared can and without miss givit just goes earth and i was like yes yes and i stood up and i was great that was Aaron that was Aaron came up and told me he goes you got to watch my you got to watch this clip and he showed to me and i was just like well done well done to jared and jared uh and Aaron so If you want Jared on the show, you let us know. Also, I talked to Jose Shorty Torres, who's going to be in the Brave flyweight tournament.

He's also a big fan of the show. He said he would love to come on, too, so maybe we could get three people on the show. Are they doing a tournament? Braver. Brave is doing it. Brave, you can check on M.AFighting.com because we broke the news. Oh, my. It's Jose Torres, Mateus Nicolao.

The fighter, he was supposed to fight in November. I can't remember off. Amir Al-Bazi? Amir Al-Bazi? I don't think he was supposed to fight him he was Amir al-Bazi He was meant to fight him and then he stopped On the day

He said his father had passed away Yeah and he was not he was gone through some things so But he's up he's not That fight wasn't booked rematch So if they both win they'll fight for the championship The inaugural flyway championship And I guess Zach McCovsky's trying to throw his name into that too Because he might have just signed

With one championship But Jose Torres is a big fan of the show Maybe he could come on We'll get a nice three man panel but we're running way long on time for Jose that is Pizzi you can also find this on YouTube Spotify Apple Podcasts Google Play all that fun stuff because people always say hey we don't watch we listen go watch it and listen to it do everything but we're out stop the MMA fighting podcast Civil War thank you very much this is a protest song a song anyway

out to the way go everyone