MMA Fighting - The A-Side Live Chat w/ Elias Theodorou

Episode Date: April 20, 2020

For this episode, former UFC turned PFC middleweight Elias Theodorou joins José Youngs and Alex K. Lee to discuss some of the top story lines in the world of MMA. Some topics may include the rumored UFC card on May 9, featuring title fights between Tony Ferguson vs. Justin Gaethje, Henry Cejudo vs. Dominick Cruz, and Amanda Nunes vs. Felicia Spencer, his experience as the “first sanctioned cannabis athlete,” life during the coronavirus pandemic, and more. Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Petesy Carroll: @PetesyCarroll Follow Elias Theodorou: @eliastheodorou Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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What's up, everyone? Welcome to another Monday edition of the A-Side Live chat here at MAAFighting.com. I have, of course, your host, Jose Youngs. I know we're still trying to do this three times a week during quarantine time, so thank you for joining us on this fantastic Monday. Joining me is my Monday co-host, Alex Keeley, up north and the great country of Canada. And joining us, we were talking about this before we started making history, first fellow Canadian to join us.

Alex. Elias Theodore. So before we get into the questions, Elias, how's life been in quarantine times for you amid this pandemic up there? It's been good. You know, just doing my part to blunt the curve or more ways than one. Staying home, chilling out and, you know, giving the six-foot rule. And Alex, it's been a week, I think it's been a week since last fan saw you, heard of you, how's life been up there amongst your fellow Canadians? Are you all staying six feet apart up there? Oh, yeah. doing a better job than us down here, stateside. Well, most people who know me know I was

social distancing before all the stuff even happened. Some somewhat against my will. I would ask people, yeah, I would ask people if they wanted to hang out. And just like that, they didn't have that. I now know what they meant, yeah. And Casey, our favorite moustachioed, hipster, soy boy, cutie boy, director. I don't know what

else people have called you in our comment sections throughout the time. How's life been with you in the great state of California, whom I might say is handling this pandemic better than most other, actually probably better than every, the other 49 states, state side. Well, yeah, I had a friend come over and we had like the social distancing thing on the front yard type of thing. You know, we talked, you know, apart.

And then we kind of like looked at each other. And there was a moment, like, even though we haven't seen each other a while, where we realize there's nothing really to say to each other because like nothing happens. We're like, unless it's bad news. Like, there's no, like, there's no good news to share. It's like, are you not sick? Me, are you sick? Not sick?

Do you have a job? That's about all you can really talk about is. So, yeah, you know, and there were some, some protest down the, not down the street, but in Huntington Beach, which is, you know, about 30 minutes away from here. Right. So, that was pretty stupid. So, yeah, you know, not sick, still have a job, and people are stupid. That's my weekend. Sounds like everyone's weekend.

But of course, this is not our podcast. This is all of yours podcast. You can leave your questions in the comment section on Twitter. You can DM me, whatever, because I know a lot of you guys like to. Also, before we get into the questions, I get a lot of DMs. I posted a tweet about me being sad and something I would do if Habib and Tony Ferguson fell off for a fifth time. I haven't forgotten. I just don't want to go out to the store amid this pandemic.

So yes, I will, for those of you who are in the know, you know, and I will. get that video done eventually. But for now, waiting for this to boil over a little bit. But before now, without further ado, it's Monday, guys. I'm sorry. Casey, do you have any questions for Mr. Theodoro? Oh, of course. Of course.

Do, do, do, do, do. You know what? Let's start off with here. A silly question. From zombie profit. From zombie prophet

on Twitter. What are you? What are your top 20 MMA moments in the month of April? That's a lot of moments that happen in the month of April. I can't picture what has happened in April. I know John Jones fought Ovenson, Prue, in April. That's the first thing that comes to my mind, but that's clearly not a top 20 thing.

That means to me just Johns v. Henderson, who don't know April at some point. So either you guys have a top 20 moment in the month of April in MMA history, Yeah, or Eliza, even like personal MMA-related moments around this time. I think that would probably be more productive in answering this question. Yeah, does the month of April hold any significance? Especially, well, I mean, you guess today. And then anything MMA-related.

Yeah, 420, obviously being a religious holiday of sorts. But I think, you know, the, what is it, the 20 times could be been, what's it called, Tony have been canceled and put on and off. Just kind of going on that. And then Justin Gachy kind of come in to save the day. And then just kidding, that's not going to happen. And we're going to put that on, you know, Fight Island and everything in between. Just the chaos of the chaos of all this COVID situation and what it's done to society in general. And obviously, MMA being a part of our society and our what's it called, you know, walks of life and whatnot.

So just the yo-yo that has happened in April. It's been crazy. Well, here you go. April 16th, 2016, Tony Ferguson was supposed to fight Habib Nirmiga-Madavitam-Aid off for the second time. So there you go. Right on brand for this pandemic of what we could have had. I got a notification this weekend.

I was supposed to be in Brooklyn. So this pandemic is, you know, go ahead, Alex. I'm an idiot. So when I read this question, I assumed he meant this month of April specifically, and I assumed it was just like a trollish question. And I was like, 20 MMA moments in any normal situation would be a lot to name, much less this month where we had. So I'm an idiot. But I do want to relate it back to Elias.

Like what kind of stuff have you missed out on this month that you normally do training-wise? And like, again, obviously wanting to watch those fights as a fan. You know, a lot of us wanted to see, you know, this UFC 249 card that didn't happen. So, yeah, for yourself, training-wise, kind of what are you missing out on? And other than Ferguson and Habib or Ferguson-Ga-Hachie, like what kind of other big fight? Are you kind of sad that we didn't get? Yeah, well, obviously, training in general and, you know, the aspect of it being my life, my job, and going every single day. Instead, what I've been doing to kind of pass the time is just running an ungodly amount of kilometers.

I'll use the metric system because it's much more patient. Thank you. See what happens when there's another Canadian who can back each other up on the, you know, sanity and metric systems. But the point being, like I think this month that we've been in quarantine or whatever, I've run roughly about 320 kilometers, give or take. And then, you know, shadow boxing in between. I got some, you know, equipment to kind of lift and do some work, home workouts and whatnot. I was actually planning to fight in April. Obviously, obtaining my therapeutic use exemption, there was a plan to fight in 420 because,

in the month of April on 2020. 420 is all month long. So I was going to still validate my therapeutic use exemption. That unfortunately didn't happen. But staying ready, staying in shape. And once it's all clears, because we're all eventually going to get on the other side of this. It just hopefully sooner rather than later, I'm staying in shape and ready to kick ass when again. You last fought in December, that was your first post, you know, post.

UFC fight as a win. You got yourself, I think it was a finish for a second round, I think. I think it's third round. Yeah. So can you tell us if you were going to fight for that promotion again? I know it was a promotion in Windsor, Windsor, Ontario for you Americans. Can you tell us, were you going to fight for that promotion again? Or can you say where your next bet was going to be?

It wasn't set, but there were a bunch of promotions out in BC. Again, to validate the therapeutic use exemption that I received out in BC, so there are local promotions there. But at the same time, because of the way the whole system works in regards to the commissions, now that I got a therapeutic use exemption in one jurisdiction, most, if not all, should validate my exemption because of just the way it all works out. The case in point would be that someone got suspended for, you know, steroid use and they were suspended for a year in, let's say, New York. California wouldn't valid or California wouldn't allow them to get registered until their exempt. suspension is over. Well, the same thing happens in positive rulings, and that's the case in regards

to my therapeutic use exemption. There's already preliminary conversations with other commissions that, again, once I get a book, fight booked in that area, they'll most likely validate my therapeutic use exemption. So again, this is a way for, obviously it was a lot of hard work, and it was able to come to because of me arguing my fundamental Canadian right to Medicaid as prescribed by my doctor in BC, but now because of that ruling, I'm able to take that precedent and run with it, not only in BC, but everywhere else I fight. Now, can you take that precedent when you, if you ever get booked to fight in the States again?

I mean, or is that just going to be at the start? That's all they all work. That's all they all work, right? Well. It's called the same thing. If you get suspended in BC, if you get suspended in New York, something like California or someone like Colorado, they most likely, again, they ask when you're, you're. applying for a license to compete there, have you ever been suspended?

Well, if they have a therapeutic use exemption in that jurisdiction, then it almost actually puts them to say, it almost puts them on the spot to say why that other jurisdiction was wrong. That's how it actually ends. So ironically enough, as a free agent, this fighter here can still be an agent of change. Now, you said you wanted to fight on 420, if I heard that correctly. Did it matter what organization you fought or just the fact that you wanted to fight on this specific day and which of those promotions would be the most willing to book you a fight on this day? There are a couple of promotions that we were already pretty serious talks with. It was just basically finding the date and the right opponent. Obviously, I'm one of the best in the world and I want to keep competing that way.

So it's just kind of putting that together, obviously, a lot of people. I find myself in a weird place at the point where either prospects or other veterans, they don't necessarily want to fight because they want to put themselves in a position to get to the main stage in any capacity. So, you know, the fight that I had in Windsor, it was roughly about 10 opponents that we eventually went through, but I was able to fight a former UFC veteran as well and do it in dominating fashion. And a real fun fact to kind of have, to kind of explain in that.

Obviously, it was my first finish in quite some time. The other aspect being Ontario, the Ontario Commission doesn't have cannabis as a schedule of one drug or a prohibited substance, so they didn't test for that. So in reality, that was the first fight I was able to medicate as prescribed by my doctor. And obviously, the results show for themselves competing at the highest level. level, you know, at the way I was because of the strict testing in many ways I was competing at a disadvantage compared to other athletes that can medicate as prescribed by their doctors. So now with the TUE and other avenues to compete at a competitive playing field,

I'm excited to keep that windstreet going and smash the next person that stands in front of me. Alaya, specifically, like, what can you say being able, you said being able to finally be able to properly medicate, how did that, like specifically how did that benefit you in that, just in that last fight? Yeah, well, I bilateral neuropathy, so nerve damage of my upper extremities, right? So when that question that we were kind of talking beforehand, being able to medicate with your hands, it's because my actual hands are where the issues are. And a lot of my fighting style over the last couple of years was actually taking that account and moving around it. So now being able to medicate and not having those flare-ups that I normally have, because, again, putting your body through not only training and, you know, the condition that I already have, but also the weight cut itself inhibits my ability to compete at a level playing field.

But now at this point, I'm excited to be a complete fighter and keep smashing the way I did last time and the way I usually done. Sorry, Jose, I just want to add a little bit of trivia. That last flight you had in December, that was in Windsor. I think the last time you fought there was the last time Bellator was there. Yes. I think about before, I was, that crowd as a fan, sitting with the family of the people, of the fighter that Lyons was beating up. So they were not happy.

They were not happy with Rich Liktawa was the guy's name, and they were not happy with you beating him up. But now you've returned to. No, sorry to interrupt you there, but he almost fought my brother in the stand, like their family and friends. They almost pick the fight with my brother and my brother's ginormous. So it was pretty hilarious. Because they were basically the longer the fight went, the further

as you remember, I kind of just put them against the wall and just, you know, beat them senselessly. And what's it called? They were basically kind of cheering them on and my brother was cheering on as well. And then they kind of got in his face and then my brother stood up and he was towering over at them and they kind of, you know, just walked away

afterwards. But that was the weirdest that I had in one reason because I was the swing bout. And it was pretty much all decision wins up until that. And obviously, with Ben Aspirin competing in that one as well, it was a, the championship bout on that one was a five-rounder. So I actually fought after Ben Asperin at like 1230 at night. Yeah, you were the real main event. Yes. M.A.N.E. Trademark included. Katie, see, I believe we had a question about Elias and Medicaid hands, right? If I remember exactly.

Let me pull that one up. Because we were talking about this before Elias hopped on, and we did not understand it. So Elias, I'll ask you to explain this like I'm five years old, and I have no idea what's going on. From Sean Denny at Denny Rand's longtime commenter, Elias's three UFC defeats came against opponents that are very durable. If you could have medicated his hands properly, does he think that extra damage you could have caused would sway those fights in his way? So you were explaining a little bit of medicating hands in the upper. body. So I have, say I have no knowledge of this situation, what that means. I read this and I go, Medicaid hands. What is, what does that even mean? And of course, you can answer this question as well.

Yeah. So obviously, having bilateral neuropathy, it's nerve damage of my upper extremities, which essentially means radiating heat, nerve damage, flares, cramps, and anything in between that are a constant, you know, condition that I suffer through, both as a patient, an athlete. Medical cannabis allows me to calm my nerves and actually medicate and deal with the actual pain management side. That's what cannabis does. So instead of the alternative, which would be opioids, painkillers, or any other type of really debilitating prescription drug, I am now able to compete using my own medicine, just like anyone else could use any type of prescription drug. So this is less about cannabis and more about medical quality.

And that's what the opportunity being able to do so in a Canadian jurisdiction under my fundamental right to Medicaid as prescribed by my doctor allows me to do. And then again, being an age and a change, I can now bring this to America and help out American athletes as well. But going back to it, I would never like, again, I thought some really tough guys and I've won more than I've lost many times over. And the ones that I lost, I wouldn't chalk it up to anything in reverse. regards to inability to medicate. Obviously, each individual fight, it was an each individual,

it's each individual situation, right? So I would never use an excuse, the better man, one I would say. But again, the only people that I've ever lost to were top 10 in the world at the time. And, you know, one of those persons happened to be Tiago Santos. And even in that situation, I was able to take everything he threw at me and never quit. So one of the things I was able to learn from it is that, again, even as a professional fighter, fighter flight is kind of still ingrained in it. And, you know, even when push comes to shove, I can still fight under the worst situations and in the bloodiest of wars. And that's what it was. She would just cut on my forehead and with felt bruised black and blue. Even, again, not to end up too graphic

out of it. After the fight, I was peeing blood for a couple of hours. Like, that's how intense it was, right? But again, if you can survive that, and that was my first loss, so kind of realizing that, you know, whether you win or lose, the sun rises another day and you get to live to fight another battle. So, you know, that's what that was able to show me. And obviously, with his career, the way it's gone, it actually, that loss in many ways is one of my favorite and best fights, regardless of the outcome. Casey, you got a question, you're just popping in. What is it like the first time you piss blood from getting beaten up?

Like, is that scared of crap? Keep in mind, Casey does train, and he's talked about having amateur fights before. So you see this big smile on his face right now. Like, he's generally curious when he asks it. So what is it like the first time you face an opponent and then you start being blood? Was it from body shots? Like, what is causing that? Because I hear about fire saying that.

Like, what actually is it, you know? Well, it's not only the fight, right? It's also depending on the way cut. It's also the stress you put your body through 24 hours over. Because, like, the real fight in reality is actually the way cut. And it's the process of the camp kind of leading up to it. So it was one of my tougher camps. And I was able to, you know, get through it.

And, you know, even with him pulling away in the latter round the way he did, again, there was no quit in me. To the question itself, peeing blood. Luckily, it was the first and only time that's ever happened. So it definitely catches you off surprise by surprise because you're like, wait, that's not what that's supposed to look like. But, you know, again, I was able to, you know, lick my wounds and come back and, you know, have many other fights. They're after. So, you know, I would say that obviously it just, for the most part, a surprise, a little nervous.

But, you know, I was able to enjoy the rest of Vegas the next day. Going back to your cannabis and talk, you were speaking of, how many fighters have approached you since you came out as, like you said, like you are allowed to self-medicate and so on and so forth? Have any UFC or non-UFC fighters approached you for more information? Like maybe they hear, like, their hands hurt all the time. Maybe they weren't aware that this was something that they could deal with using self-medication. So how many fighters have approached you, if any? Yeah, not only fighters, because again, this has implications in athletics beyond. So there's different avenues where this, again, just kind of going back to my own specific situation,

the therapeutic use exemption that I got in British Columbia, because the Athletic Commission is on the infrastructure of boxing, it also has implication for boxers as well. So my case sets precedent for amateur and professional boxers and MMA fighters. And then beyond MMA and boxing, other athletes, Olympic athletes, who are tested year-round have approached me and asked me, one, about the process, too, about how they should go about kind of working around the drug testing system that they have in regards to, you know, fear of, what consequences would happen if they were to medicate as prescribed of the doctor or, again,

in places that don't have medicine and, you know, prescribed in the way it is. Because obviously access is in a universal thing at this point. And that's the case even in Canada, as we have legalization, it still means there is a prohibition for, you know, first-line workers, union, certain union workers, first responders. and other people that are in unions that, again, unfortunately, still look at cannabis as a Schedule 1 drug. Well, it's going to ask, like, here's state side, we have, like, the three major sports, and they're slowly coming around to it.

I think the NFL of their last bargaining agreement is loosening the rules on medical, on the use of medical marijuana and such. And I know a lot of NBA players are called specific, like most prominently Kevin Durant has called for it of the Brooklyn net. So when you see these major sports still not fully embracing it, but loosening, is that a major win in your world or in the self-medicated world? Oh, for sure. Again, it's a step in the right direction for others being on the cannabis side of history. That's where the world's going.

It's just taking longer in certain areas than others. The key distinction in my case versus others, I think they are removing cannabis. So this is the first example of cannabis being actually recognized as a medicine. So that's where the key differences. And again, the implications of what it could have in the Olympics and beyond. Ask question, get an answer. Well, thanks so much. Thanks so much, Denny Rans.

Like, again, didn't know what that question meant. I feel Elias was clearly the person to ask. From Instagram, why don't they just postpone Habib Tony instead of giving Tony a different fight? I don't know who asked this question, so can't give a shout out. But Elias, I don't know. I'm sure you followed the news for the fifth time Habib and Tony fell apart. Supposedly they are going to book Tony Ferguson versus Justin Gagee in May. Now, we joked months ago that imagine a world where Tony Ferguson would have to fight Justin Gachie to get another shot.

Habim Nirmigamehamehameh made up, like basically going through a murderer's row, maybe one of the greatest runs in lightweight history. And he's not even the understfeited champion. So should they have just waited until this person? pandemic clears up. I know Alex K. Lee wrote a long piece with our own Mike Chia pen on the site, but your opinion, should they have just waited or should they have booked Tony versus Gagy? Well, I think there are many different factors in this, right? Like, obviously they have a schedule and they have certain requirements that they have to meet in regards to ESPN and other financial components and contractual components. In addition, because of religious reasons,

could be, he's pretty much out until, you know, September anyways. So, there are a bunch of different factors in that. Obviously, it's an exciting fight. I just feel for Tony because, you know, like you said, he has to go through a murderous row. And even if he does beat Justin Gachie, I'm pretty sure he's already the interim champ, but how that work out, right? So it's just one of those things where, you know, it is the way it is, unfortunately, but Tony's a savage and it seems that he doesn't care who they put in front of him.

he's ready to smash him. Yeah, like the argument I made on the site, I was arguing in favor of them doing the booking that they did and not waiting for even Ferguson again, was that all saying, you know, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, right? I think that's how the UFC has to look at it is this is a fight that they feel like they can make now and is very likely to happen. But Elias, from your perspective, let's say, again, you were in kind of a Tony Ferguson situation where you have this rival or you had this big money fight on the table and then had to wait.

And then they said, oh, you know, for whatever reason, again, you know, personal religious, you know, reasons, you won't be able to fight this guy for six months. Would you rather, again, and similar situation, Tony Ferguson, wait for that opponent, or if they say, hey, we got another top three guy, still good money for this fight. Do you want this one instead? I would imagine just fight as soon as possible. He was out for quite some time because of an injury. He's, again, had his own roadblocks along the way. So I would imagine he's just game to fight, fight anyone and everyone that's in.

his way. And but specifically for yourself, though, you will. So again, you agree with that in town. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And I would imagine, and I don't know the financial situation, but I would imagine they gave Tony a decent payout to take that fight. I know in the interactions I've had with Dana White, I would imagine he wants to kick

in the door of this fight island, supposedly. And I know he's promised a big thing. And Tony Habee would be the biggest fight they could put together right now. If one of them can't fight, just book the interim fight. I imagine both guys would get a sizable payout to headline. And especially if, have you seen the proposed card, Elias, that Dana Whitewant put together? Has three title fights and everything. And they would put an interim title fight over the two undisputed titles, including one that has dominant crews and one that has the greatest female fighter of all time defending her featherway championship.

I would imagine the two fighters in the interim title fight got some, got a decent payout. So I imagine that would probably, like you said, Tony Ferguson is about a while. Don't know his situation financially. maybe he just wanted to fight to get some money before this pandemic maybe hit harder. Also, I was reading, go ahead. No, I was going to say, and he's also 36 or 37. Yeah, like how long can he literally wait?

Yeah. Well, I think if he wins the championship, he would be the oldest lightweight champion in UFC history, which is crazy. And the first ever interim champ champ. There you go. There you go. Well, to put like, the last time Tony Ferguson lost was pre-Ronda Rousey,

UFC. That's how long he's been winning. And now he has to fight Justin Gagee to fight Habib Nirga-Man. If he beat both of them, I still think the winner of Tony Ferguson, Habib would be the greatest lightweight ever. But if Tony clowls through both of them, he's like a top five fighter ever in my mind. Ever, yeah. Especially going over all those adversity, right? Like, think how many hiccups he's had along the way.

He's had 12-month layoffs after 12-month layoffs in his comeback to fight like Donald Seroni, world-class record holder, Anthony Petit's former champ, Justin Gajie, former. champ like you're not wrong there but uh kis any more questions i should we have a million questions well sorry guys before we get to that one can i can i can i follow up and sort of the talk about the you know paying the paying uh the while we're talking about compensation eliz i don't know if you saw the story today it was kind of late breaking about the pfl uh the professional fighters league they're suspending their season and then there's the CEO has said they're going to pay fighters a monthly stipend actually uh during this time because they're not going to have they're just

postponing it a whole year so there'll be no 2020 if yeah no 2020 PFL season. You got to wait for 2021. I think they said spring 2021. But again, they said they're going to try to fight some sort of monthly stipend. Did you ever think that that was something when you were with this UFC that they could have realistically done? And again, not even just for situations like this, but just for times when you don't have a fight's booked. There's a three-month gap, six-month gap. Did you ever think that they should have had some sort of monthly stipend as is being proposed here? Well, again, that just shows why they're kind of on the front line and the front end of a lot of this, you know, progressive

change that they've kind of been doing. I don't know, shoulda or coulda are two different things, I guess. Again, I think obviously all fighters in many ways are the ones that are at the front line of all the fights and whatnot. But I don't know. It's just the way it was and the way it is. So again, going back to could and should are two different things. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a fair answer. for the next question next question beep boop boom from YouTube comment from Chiatriot Oja apologies if I mispronounce your name

no one that asked questions on YouTube ever has a easy name for amounts question if USC proceeds with their two venue plan APEC slash Florida for U.S. fights and then in quotes Fight Island for international fights where do you think Latin America

fighters would rather go. Interesting question. I don't care to speak for all of there personally. So I'll ask Elias, where would you rather fight the Apex slash Florida or on quote-unquote fight island? I'm going to throw a curveball here. Fight boat. Fight boat.

International waters. Not fight volcano, not on the moon. Anything is a possibility here in 2020. Yeah, international waters, baby. There you go. Why? Why the boat, Elias? Why?

Because I'm a huge Simpsons fan. It reminds me of what the monkeys. That is the right answer. I was hoping you were going to say that. I can't remember the monkey's name, but when Mr. Burns is like, he's lost a lot of skin, you're going to have to donate a lot of your skin. I'm so glad. Also our first Simpsons reference here on the A side.

Oh, that can't be right. Hopefully, hopefully not the last. So my knowledge, I was the first fighter to bring. up the Simpsons. So with my Disney Plus subscription, I have been plowing through them with it in the background. So 10 out of 10 guests right now, Elias. Alex, where would you rather fight? Fight islands or on a boat? I know you're not a fighter, but my mother, my mother is from Peru. I don't know that qualifies me as Latinx. But it's kind of a strange question. I mean, obviously, fight Island, man. I was just rewatching Mortal Kombat on Saturday, which by the way,

is a fine movie and probably still the best video game movie. It's that, it's that. It's that a freaking Sonic the hedgehog. I don't know. It's not a lot of competition. Yeah, three fighters pretty fun too. Well, that's the one I've watched the most. So I don't know if that's the best. It's definitely the one I've watched the most.

But yeah, I think the Fight Island thing, I know there's so many jokes about what it's going to be like. And I hope we heard they're copyrighting it, right? So it sounds that the UFC is leaning into this fight on an idea, right? Maybe it's a fan created. Yeah, maybe it's a fan-created thing, but the marketing is starting to kick in. I do hope they lean into the mysticism of it a little bit. I know the UFC is fairly uniform, like when they go to,

places. It's something we always complain about the media, you know, whichever city they go to, whichever the country they go to, if you're just watching the broadcast, you don't know where they are. You know, there's no local, there's no real local color, except when they go to an outside the arena shot or something. So I think for Fight Island, it would be cool. Just get a little cheesy with it. Get some of those cool ornate decorations. It doesn't, you know, that'd be expensive, right? But, I mean, Elias, what's, is that the kind of environment you like to fight in? What's the kind of the most unique venue that you have competed in before? Well, that would be really cool. I think it kind of goes to the throwback of like bodog, right?

If we all remember that. Like, like, of course. Yeah, exactly. So, like, that kind of reminds me of the island kind of ambiance or whatever. It'd be so cool. I think the strangest or funnest place that I ever fought was I found in Ohio. I can't, the N-A-D-W-F-S. And it was under, like, this outdoor, indoor tent.

And, like, they had, like, 18 fights on that night. I can't remember how many of them were amateur. And just seeing that the amateurs fight for like, there was like 15 amateur fights and then like seven pro fights or something like that. And that was the first time I met Steep Amy Ocichick. Also, Jessica I as well. She was doing some color commentary or whatever and whatnot. But it was the hometown guy that I fought.

And I just picked him up and threw them and like just kept on picking up and tossing him until his like clavicle broke. And they just get up. Yeah. And he just didn't get up for the third round. And, yeah, it was pretty intense. Casey, you've been covering an MMA for you. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

You're just going to walk. He just said, like, I just picked up a man and kept throwing on him until he broke his clavicle. It's like, we're so desensitized to what this is. Yeah, exactly. He just, I just picked it through him. And like, you know, Ohio. Hey, there's Steve.

Duh. Are you dead? yet. Yeah. That's a guy. Oh, and then the guy that was fighting in the, what's it called, the main event,

because I was the co-main, the guy that was fighting in the main event, the guy he, he, that won, so they got lost. His, like,

face was like, he needed, like, 40 stitches at the bare minimum, right? And he was just, like, hanging,

it was just, like, hanging off. And, like, the doctor, like, whatever makeshift, like, ringside doctor they had,

like, didn't really do much of a job other than like kind of like putting it back on with some tape and a little bit of disinfectant and there was like an official after party of double NFS or whatever and uh

like we're all going to the club or whatever or bar and the guy that lost is like again his face is like just hanging off and he's like yeah man I'm gonna go to the after party I'm really pumped like shouldn't you go to the doctor's like oh man I'm going to wait for like three hours I might as go party I'm like

You shouldn't be drinking if you're going to get stitches because, you know, it's a blood thinner, but okay, whatever. I'm not a doctor. So Casey, would you rather have 40 stitches? Well, was it broken clavicle or pissing blood after your first fight? I'll go for the pissing blood. I'll just walk that off. Yeah, that's just like a private moment, like, oh, okay, yeah. Have a cool stitches.

I don't know. Yeah, I've heard like horror stories about the backstage, the, yeah, kind of. of the backstage doctor stitching fighters up and like it's not like a pretty scene it's just sometimes they know what they're doing other times it's just like a staple gun yeah pretty much i think um yeah when you got that when you got that big cut on your uh on your forehead if i remember correctly yeah right was that the santos fight how many did you get from that if any like 35 jesus 30 35 30 give a Jesus they do a good job oh yeah they did a great job. I shout it to the doctor. I can't remember I'm off the top of my head, but a great

UFC doctor that they have there. I was going to say, I think collectively I have over a hundred stitches on my face between that fight, other fight, training, a couple head buds. But ironically, they keep on becoming more, like, they keep on becoming symmetrical. Like, I'll get a cut here and like the exact same cut on the other side. And then it'll be a cut here and then the exact same one on the other side. It's really hilarious. Oh, that's a good thing, I guess. Jose, I want to ask you. Jose, I want to ask you, would you rather have, excuse me, a broken clavicle and

piss blood and 40 stitches on your forehead or see Habib and Ferguson canceled for a sixth time? The fight's never going to happen. Never. I'm on record saying that. I've said that every single time this, like, it's never going to happen. Like, 14 times the charm. So I have a better chance. of getting a broken clavicle, pissing blood, and 40 stitches at the same time than Habibin

Tony do actually fighting. So I'll take that one. At this point. At this point. I've never had any stitches and I've never broken my clavicle and I've never pissed blood. So it would be the first time for all three of those, especially if they happened all the same time. Exactly.

They're the worst. It's the worst out of the way. What a lovely episode we have today. As Casey Kews up. Oh, here we go. Oh. From Max L. Kukui, Holloway, and his profile seems to be an amalgamation of Max Holloway and Tony Ferguson.

Do you guys think if Gachey beats Tony, Connor would fight Tony after? This seems to be there's this four-way dance in the top of the lightweight division between Tony. Habib Nurgam Adov, Tony Ferguson, Justin Gajee, Conn McGregor. Conn-Megro, supposedly wanted to fight the winner. Like, Danae wanted him to fight Habib if Habib won. Justin Gajee thinks if he beats Tony, he fights Habib and Connor will fight Tony. So Elias, what situation is going to happen here, depending on who wins, between Justin Gagee and Tony Ferguson? Well, I would assume that the winner will fight.

It could be right. Especially because the interim title. Exactly. It's the interim title, just around when the time bracket is in regards to a September, September, what do you call it, return from the beat. So that would make sense. Who knows? Who knows in regards to what Connor is doing?

I think obviously they're being as strategic as possible in regards to what his next steps is for obvious reasons. He's the biggest draw, even years out, and just coming back up the win with Doni, what's called Donald Soroni. So I don't know. That's, I guess, beyond my pay grade at this point where who knows what's going to actually happen. If Fight Island's going to happen, if this May 9th fight is going to happen, there's a lot of things kind of still working its way. Elias, you're too nice. Do not be afraid to attack our viewers or readers if they ask a silly question. Would Connor fight Tony coming off a loss?

Wait, so this is Tony loses his losing streak, loses to his win streak, I'm sorry, his long win streak, and then lose to gate sheet, and then Connor decides to fight. Why would Connor do that? Ferguson is an insanely dangerous fight. I don't care if this guy's 36 or 46. I'd never, I don't think anyone would ever want to fight this guy. And then after kind of losing a little bit of luster from a, no, I will say what, well, I don't want to speak for lies.

I will say what I am thinking. I don't want to speak for any of you. I'll say what I'm thinking. That's a terrible question. That's a terrible question, Max L. Kikui, Ferguson, or whatever your name is. I'm sorry. He has another one, which I don't know if we're doing better, but I'm saying that question was, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

You angered a Canadian. Congratulations. Very hard to do. I did apologize, though. I am sorry. I am sorry. I am sorry. A true Canadian fashion.

All right. What's the last letter of the alphabet, Alex? Zed. The mighty Zed. And it's a metric system. That is the... What a weird one. The metric system is pretty awesome.

I don't... I'll give you credit. The metric system is great. Can't get on board with Zed. And I don't like how you spell neighborhood or organization or any of these things with, like, the OU or S or whatever. Caller. You watch sports intre.

Yeah. The theater. Poppycock, I say. I will give you the metric system, though. Okay. Do we have this guy's other question? Hey, hey, hey. Oh, I'm sorry.

Oh, spoilers. I'm not running the show. I am not running the show. Ooh, Max Elkikoui Holloway. What does Elias prefer? Sativa, Indica, or Hybrid? It really depends on what I'm trying to do, right? So each, for the most part, it'd be a hybrid of sort because Indica in many ways helps with the pain management.

Sativa helps with energy. I do tend to do more Indica at night helping with sleep, whereas Sativa would be during the day to continue, you know, my day-to-day activities. Alex, what do you prefer? Look, I know I'm the, I don't know if you heard about this, I am known as the bad boy of MMA fighting, really the MMA world in general, but definitely specifically our site.

But despite that, I actually, I do not indulge in what, you know, what good people like me call the devil's lettuce, okay? I'm a jazz cabot. I am a straight,

I live my life's straight edge. And while I approve of this holiday, this four, the 420, I approve of, you know, I had a roommate. 4-20.

Yes. Yes, I had a roommate who loved indulging and smoking the weeds, as we say, and I have no problem with that. But I will just say, I will just say I would just say, I need it. And maybe I will someday. But yeah, I'm sorry, I cannot answer this question. But I'm glad we have an educated person on to talk about it. Casey, you want to weigh in?

Oh, no, I'll pretty much, yeah, repeat everything Elias said. Yeah, I agreed. And because, when you know, nighttime, you know, you want to kind of chill, you know, Sativa, get your day going. Yeah, pretty much. And hybrids, no, but it's more of a personal preference, you know, kind of where you want. Sure. And then you know. Everybody.

Sorry? No, no, no, you can go. Oh, yeah. And, you know, you know what's awesome? Sativa espresso beans in the morning. Nice. Whoa. Dude, the edible game is like so, like, compared, like,

three, maybe four years ago, like, it used to be just a crapshoot. Like, someone handed you your brownie at a party and you just don't know what's going to happen. Yeah. Now everything, you're like, oh, I hope I'm not busy for the next three days. Shit. But now everything's different. It's a very, it's really neat now. Have we scared you enough, Alex? No, no, no. Actually, I wanted to ask a lies. What is like, again, this is going to, this sounds such, again, such, I don't know anything about a fucking question. What is kind of the, the hot? way or the opposite, kind of like a way of taking the marijuana these days that maybe other people haven't picked up on it yet.

What do you think is kind of the next big way of, what's the board? I'm going to guys, help me. I don't smoke. I don't know anything. I think Casey was right. Edibles. Eventually, the mixture of what we call into beer and other type of already established products. And I think CBD is kind of going to be in everything if it isn't already, right?

CBD this, CBD that. And again, once the normalization of itself is a product, like one of the interesting things is like for this. I was going to ask about that right there. Yeah, so I'm a part investor and what do you call it, brand ambassador for hemp energy drink. It's the first to market energy drink in Canada. It's a completely legal and what are called certified and approved. But it also can be taken to the states because hemp is considered just as a normal

crop now because of the new measures and new legislation that has been passed in the United States. And as normalization of parts of the plant happen, more, you know, more inventions and more adaptation of the plant will be harnessed. So very interesting. And for me, even though, again, like one of the things I kind of been doing for the last little bit, you know, blunt the curve, you know, instead of what's it called? What's the real term? I've said it so many time. Blunt the curve. Yeah. Blunting the curve. I don't necessarily smoke blunts, like for the most part. I vaporized like a professional. So we got, oh, wow. It's the mighty. Look at Bickle. Yeah, it's the best

there is out there. I have pretty much everything from Storz and Bickle. Anyone actually, this is a kind of little contest shout out that I'll say. I'm giving away a brand new volcano hybrid to anyone that shows me how they're blunting the curb. I'm going to pick someone this 420 California time, Pacific time. So you guys can hop on my social media at Elias Theodore to enter. She's going to show me a picture or video of how you're blunting the curve. And I'm going to pick someone. It's like a $699 value, the vaporizer that I'm going to give away.

So again, I vape like a professional and so can you. So you're going to have people send videos in on how they're blunting the curve? Yeah, they've been doing it. I kind of announced the contest on Friday. and it's really hilarious. Do we have some early front runners for ridiculous videos? Oh, yeah, yeah. What was it?

One of my favorite ones right now is a guy with a PPE mask doing a bong hit. And then almost like what's it called the what are they called? Like the inflatable, not inflatable, the plastic. No, not plastic. Shoot. What's the term? almost like the wraps, like the noodles. There you go.

The noodles for swimming. He can pose in it from one side to the other side of his room to get the smoke out of his room. Gosh, you guys are so great. Casey is learning about pissing blood, using pool noodles to get the smoke out. This is a very educating. This is an educating episode. I thought it was just used the toilet paper roll and you stuff, you know, air freshener in there, the dryer sheet. By the way, guys, we were talking about all this gore before and pissing blood events.

I forgot, I really, really needed to ask Elias. You were at the Phoenix series, you were at an Invicta Phoenix Series 3, right? The last Invicta event, I think. I know you're at the Wayans. You also did Ringboy duties for the show? Were you a Ringboy during the main event with Stoli-Renko and Versosa that absolutely mud bath? I know, my Lord.

Casey and I watched this. And that is one of the, we both agreed was one of like the low-key, like, People need to watch that fight. Yes. People weren't talking about that fight. Did you almost slip? I mean, what was it like being that close to that? Well, I mean, you've been in the given fights before, but that fight was.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, the way that Invicta is, it's on the outside. So you don't actually go in the actual physical cage. So there was no blood that I would have tripped on. But although there's always potential hazards, you know, with the cameramen and other, you know, corners and stuff like that, you kind of got to maneuver around. But no, it's crazy.

Because again, with being a ring car holder, I get the best seat in the house, right? And to be back close, like literally front row, I had blood pretty much like coming to the vicinity because of how much blood there was that night. It was crazy. It's one of the most intense fights. Like, I'd put it up there with like Shogun and Dan Henderson in regards to the back and forth that they kind of did. They were just literally standing elbows, elven each other in the face and in the head, like, repeatedly. And neither of them buckled.

It was crazy. Is it different? Again, because, again, you've been in fights. So, I mean, that's a whole other different kind of intensity. But is it different actually being only kind of being able to witness it? Like, you know, not having that adrenaline of actually being in the competition and just watching it? Was that different weird for you? Yes and no, because, again, I've done so many ring card events with Invicta.

Like I know all these fighters. Like I know all the female fighters that are competing there. And some of them I cheer. And some of them I've gotten to see, you know, the highest, the highs and the lowest of lows that they've all had. So it was crazy to. And again, throwing the additional component of the tournament that was kind of a part of it. And the fact that it was the first time they were doing open scoring as well. So there was a lot of moving parts.

It was a crazy night. And again, best seats in the house. and I couldn't be more thankful of being a part of the Invecta team. Yeah. Was that also the card they did the open scoring? Yeah. What did you think of that?

Well, I think it was a nice, easy way to ease into it because the way the tournament was, they only had one round, then two rounds, then a final round. So it wasn't necessarily that involved. But, you know, and to throw in the fact that the ones that they did win and the way it was scored, it was obvious that that person won and that person didn't.

So there wasn't any controversy or any situation where it's like, this is why we have it. But again, it just shows another way why and how Invicta is on the forefront of MMA. Would you want to know the scores in your fight between rounds? Yes and no. I think, again, the two, a couple of the losses that I've had because, again, they were either split decision or close decision, it definitely would have helped to know going into the third if I was up or down on the scorecard.

Would that change? The argument against it would be like if someone's up 2-0 and they know they're up 2-0, they could just coast the third round. Is that like Casey hates that argument? They could kind of coast already if you already know for the most part. And again, it's just it kind of just puts the owner. on the official to do the right scoring or else they're going to get some booze. Right.

It's not an argument. It's not an argument. Those are just words. We got, oh, here's something about. We got some cool. Oh, there's a picture of the fight of that Elias. It doesn't even do justice. It does not.

That was crazy. I was at home. I can't imagine what it's like there. They were doing, they were jumping into each other. Like, look at that. Like, like, oh. they were doing that throughout the whole fight. And they were just standing toe to toe and literally jumping and elbowing each other in the face and stuff of that.

It was crazy. And that was the night after was Yowanna and Wiley-Jane, right? That weekend, the two best fights that whole week were female fights. Yeah. I was say the biggest bummer about that Invictive fight was like it was such an incredible fight and just violent everything. and then unfortunately the next night two other women had slightly even almost an equally as good fight it kind of like he just got forgotten it kind of was just unfortunate but man I keep saying go to fight past yeah people have all the time in the world go to fight watch that fight throw in the TV

you know bring the family around you know just watch a bloody fist fight yeah Julia Delioreko yeah get your pool a little out watch the fight yeah All right. This is disgusting. All right. We got some good questions. Here we go. Oh, from El Kukui again. He's back. Two people dead or alive, Elias would love to smoke with. Ooh. Bob Marley and JFK.

Wow. Did not expect that second one. Why specifically JFK? I understand Bob Marley, but why JFK? He actually did smoke for his back. Not many people know how bad his back was. He was in horrible shape. But again, being able to, or you know what, I'll do a little bit modern. I would have called Obama.

Obama would be dope as hell. Yeah, that would be a fun time. He's going presidential. And two presidents. Former Chicago residents. So, Obama. For the Canadians, what prime minister would you want to smoke, no, smoke with? What's his name?

Trudeau's father. He was, yeah, Trudeau's father. What's I called? He was a cool dude. He used to party. Him and his wife used to party with the Rolling Stones and stuff like that. They were hippies. Yeah, I agree with that.

Like I said, look, I don't smoke myself, but I like hang around people who smoke. And it's always a good time. So, yeah, no, I was going to say absolutely Trudeau's father, of course. Contact high. Yeah, yeah. I got to say, but friends like Alex, you want, you want those guys around because you have those friends. Like, you go out and you're like, oh, he's going to drive. We're good.

You're the cool D.D. Lifetime, Lifetime doesn't need a driver, buddy. Anytime. Anytime. All right. Excellent question. Triple threat from Max El Calculey Holloway. from frank furter you guys ever smoke weed i have an apple no i have not

why would they what is that why would they what does that come from you can do you can basically put a hole in it you can make anything into a bong you just basically turning an apple into a bong yeah didn't you see that there was a uh i think it was it was an embedded or something or a countdown where luke rochold was showing off like his ceramic work from high school and they had a and in his ceramic class he said the teacher would look at our and if you saw that they, there was a contest between them to see who can make the most creative bong

and not have it look like one. And if the teacher saw, you know, this is a bong, he would just smash it in front of them. So the contest was who could get him to look at it and not realize what it actually was in Rockholder 1? He has like some crazy statue

of like a bunch of heads stacked on top of each other with like the back and hollowed out and everything. So yes, Alice, you can make anything into a bomb. Well, I learned that from that movie half baked. Stephen Baldwin is playing the McGiris'

smoker and he's like i can't remember what he asked for at least three random items he's like i made more with less bro i made a bond with less bro i made a von with less bro i didn't remember that if you don't have anything you don't have any papers you don't have but you have weed and apples okay potatoes are better because in the way they cook apples are cool because you can kind of eat the apple afterward i guess a little bit just sounds like a fun thing but the apples kind of they're a little too wet and so it's not the best potato's way to go though good to know i had this image for some reason of it actually like rolled up like thing and then stuck into like as a holder like using an apple i i don't know what's going you're very straight you know what does your apple pipe look

like alex wait i will say of the people who don't the one who doesn't indulge here i am coming off as the most incoherent and lost somehow so um yeah let's uh let's move on i just want you to talk about it more. Apple's for all. It's like it's you put like a very small hole and you just, you know, it's like a holder. It's like a holder. And then you can like a nibble on the apple and that's the book. I don't.

I mean, is that something people do? Maybe it is. It's 2020. You're frozen. You're frozen, Alex. We can hear you, but we can't. You're not moving. Oh, there you go.

Oh, there you go. Any more questions? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we got some more. Oh, no. Oh. Sorry, guys. Roberto Lopez says potatoes are more difficult.

I disagree, but. Maybe worth it in the end. Hard work pays off. West Coast, Cali. Apples are for poor. Apple is for poor people or you have nothing else. Okay. That's not a question.

It's more common. Yeah. Yeah, because poor people are apples, sir. Exactly. Brian Kellar, former co-host of this show, member of Crystal Crew. I'm putting crystals in my bong. So, yes, Elias, I'll ask you this.

Thoughts on the crystals? Are you a fan of crystals? Every once in a while. Again, if you have a little keep kind of leftover and whatnot, sprinkle it in. Again, another trademark that I own is weed base, so I definitely sprinkle it on everything. There you go.

There you go. How about the crystals? We had Jared Cannonier on there. show and he's very big into the healing crystals. He carries around pyrite anywhere because it wards off negative intense. That was intense. Well, to which throne, again, uh, placebo's work, uh, for that reason, right? There you go. All right. Yes, but you know what actually works is, is the, is the medicinal marijuana that Elias is using. That actually works, guys. All right. I, I'm not on the Friday editions,

you know, the crystal crew editions of, uh, or I guess on Wednesdays, who runs with Pizzi. I don't approve of this, with respect to Jared Kennedy and other fighters, like you said, Elias, who, you know, placebos works fine. I don't indulge in this junk science, okay? I totally approve of all this, all this weed smoking, okay? But this junk science, I won't, I won't, I don't encourage it. Well, I'm going to tell the story again. Please do.

All of our comments, all of our listeners know this story well. And this goes with Brian Kelleher, Elias. I know Alex is getting frustrated already. We have a fan, Jessica, who mailed me and PT, the other co-host of the show, a bag of crystals with breaks him down what. each one does. Brian Kelleher asked for one of the crystals after his official way in. We gave it to him. It was Tiger's Eye. And what Tigers Eye does is it, you get monetary success. Like, that's what it's supposed to amplify. That's what it's supposed to lead to. Two hours later,

he gets bumped up to the main card of a Conner-Megregor fight and wins the performance bonus. Just mere hours after giving him Tiger's Eye. So I'm not saying it was the crystal, but it was 100% the crystal. CBO's work CBO's work. That's a good way of putting it. All right, let's some rapid fire. What we got?

Did I ask this one yet? Fight Island from Trumbo. What should be the first minute? We've pretty much had that one. You think the fight island you think Fight Island hosts pay-per-view events or ESPN and fight pass card. So, Eli, should they do a annual fight island fight card? Well, I would assume once they make it a thing, it might become a thing thereafter. So, you know, the Will It's existence or the fans did. I don't know at this point.

It's kind of like what came first, right? I just want to like, I want to know where it is geographically before we can even put these big parts together. True, true, true. Like there's all the conspiracies where it's like, again, with WME's clientels, some of them have own islands like Eddie Murphy and. What's his face? What's the other that came out recently with Connor Gregor? Robinson. What's the...

Tony Robinson. Tony Robbins. Tony Robbins. Tony Robbins. Yeah. Tony Robbins. He owns an island as well and he's on WME as well. So there's a couple of people like that where it's like, like, that'd be pretty cool.

Like imagine if it was like Tony Robbins, the Tony Robbins Fight Island. UFC Tony Robbins fight island. That'd be pretty interesting. And he's just making all the fighters instead of like walking down, you have to walk on those burning holes. Yeah, exactly. Running goals. It's like, yeah.

Elias, you got your ear to the street, I'm sure. May 9th, do you think, what do you think? Do you think that's going to happen? Honestly, I don't know. There's so many different things kind of coming to play. It depends on where it ends up being. Like, obviously, somehow, WWE is a essential service. So anything else is going to happen, right?

She is. Yeah. It's true. Sure enough, true enough. Let me see it. From at Dizzled Danube on Twitter. What is something that will you do 20 times in April? Medicaid.

There you go. Let me see that thing again. I thought that looks like a, that's like the size of a phone. It's called the Mighty. Oh. Let's talk about that. What is that?

How does it work? It's dual chamber here. So this is where the heating thing is you can see the timer's going up. And that's where it also attaches your phone. so you can have different routines in regards to what you're going to vaporize and how you're going to put it all together. It goes in there. It goes in there. Like you would put a capsule like this.

You put a capsule like this in there. And it's an actual perfect dose. So that's like again, looking at it as a medicine. It's a medical device. Where's it right here? You put your cannabis in there. You pop it in here. Once it's ready, twist here.

Boom. There it is. How much is that run for? This one's about $400? That's the most advanced one. That's the portable one. One second. I'll trade.

Oh, my. I'm learning so much today, guys. For those of you just listening, Elias is going to grab what appears to be a space. So this is the volcano hybrid that I'm giving away. So again, there's the display that's here. there's a plastic bag and there's also a hose here one second Casey for those of you just listening to Casey's eyes are I've never seen him more interested in anything about here here top here so the purpose of this one it's called

the volcano for obvious reasons what do you call it this is the one that I'm giving away it retails for $699 US so again Sturks and Bickle is the best medical device and the most popular one in the world. So I'm really excited to be partnered with them, both as a patient and also giving it away to all my fans, followers, and everything alike. So again, go at Elias Deutero. If you want to enter and win, you can still enter today. And I'll be giving away one of these bad boys. Do you have to order those, or can you just go somewhere and buy it over the counter? Both, both, most dispensaries would have one for the most part. So if the new, like the new verse, version of that comes out. Do people line up for it, like an Apple iPhone?

For the most part. But you can, you can, again, order it online and it'll come. They're a German company, but they also have different distribution channels in the U.S. and Canada as well. Casey, when you walked, when you walked back with it, Casey was like, whoa. I bought my first volcano probably about maybe 10 years. years ago. Yeah, they've been around for again that long and they've been evolving all the way through. Yeah, the big crinkly bag, you know, just... Yeah. So I've, what do you call it? I've, what's the word I'm looking for, basically edited it, for lack of a better word, kind of upgraded the crinkly bag. So it's now

even like three times bigger. Well, Casey, we're out of questions, right? Yeah, we're good. Yeah. So, well, thank you so much for joining us on this special, this special day, Elias, as you said, this religious holiday. But of course, you are the guest of honor. So you've already plugged your contest. You can say it, you can give people more information on it if you would like. But the floor is yours. Talk about anything you want.

Plug anything you want. Say anything you want before we sign off. Well, first and foremost, thanks for having me. I'll let to come back again before the next 20. We'll talk my next fight once I got that kind of going on. And once normalcy has returned. And again, go to Adelaidea. If you want to follow my journey as both an athlete and medical cannabis advocate,

but also still to enter to win one of these bad boys, the volcano hybrid by Sturks and Bickle. And, you know, again, thank you for your time. We will absolutely love to have you on. I know Alex has learned so much. Knowledge is power. Knowledge is power. But of course, I am Jose.

that is the bad boy Alex K Lee. I don't know where Casey is on my screen, but everyone's favorite mustacheo at hipster soy boy wearing his banana shirt. But for Jose, that's Elias, that's Alex, that's Casey. This is on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify and everything.

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