MMA Fighting - The A-Side Live Chat w/ WWE Superstar Big E

Episode Date: August 7, 2019

On Wednesday, José Youngs is joined by WWE Superstar Big E, one-third of the reigning Smackdown Tag Team Champions, as they break down some of the top storylines in the world of mixed martial arts. Some of the topics discussed include Colby Covington’s impressive win over Robbie Lawler, Cris Cyborg’s free agency status, Valentina Shevchenko’s upcoming title defense against Liz Carmouche at UFC Uruguay, Daniel Cormier’s rematch against Stipe Miocic at UFC 241, Nate Diaz’s long-awaited return against Anthony Pettis and more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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you listened to and the a side was on it so i naturally had to reach out to w wdc if you would want to be on So welcome and hope you have fun on your A-side debut. Yeah, I appreciate it. It's a pleasure. Thank you for putting out a killer podcast. Hey, man, I'm just trying to do my thing. But as you know, I don't set the questions. The questions come in from the fans, whether it has to do with MMA or sometimes you talk about, whatever they want to talk about.

But I've gone through them. I don't know if you've gone through them. We've had a myriad of questions specifically for you. Some people, I think, it's refreshing to hear. non-MMA journalists speak about MMA or fighters speak about MMA. They want to hear the fans speak about MMA. But before we get into that, you're a big fan. We were talking before you called in.

Where did this love for MMA start with? Well, I guess, like, I was, you know, in college in the mid-2000s. We all, like, in the dorm, watched the Oakland Fighter. And, like, that was how, that was kind of as a casual fan. And I almost, like, ate for mechance. But my love, the last, like, three, four years has really been reinvigorated because of the video game. So we started playing U-P-2 in the locker room and it was like that was the thing that it would be like half the

locker room is playing this game on a daily basis and that really got me to start watching UFC regularly. And then I realized that this is I love college football too but like right next to college football now is is my love for MMA. So I got ESPN Plus because of all the UFC card. I'm on I'm looking like three or four different MMA podcast, including yours, but thank you for that. But it's incredible, and I have such a great respect for fighters, for what they do and their mentality.

And I've also run across it. There's also this cool parallel between pro wrestlers and fighters. There's so many fighters who are wrestling fans, and so many of us in the locker room between pro wrestlers who are really into MMA. So honestly, one of my favorite things to do is to come back on Tuesdays. Jack Galliver, when the Cruiserweight, is a big MMA fan, is I see him and we'll talk about the past park. It's like a UFC card every week now.

Yeah. So there's so many of us, like that's the thing in the locker room is to talk about cards and kind of matchups. We like fantasy book too. And so, yeah, there's so many of us who are big MMA fans in the locker room. Well, I actually ran into Jack Gallagher at a Bellator event. I think it was the Pit Bull Michael Chandler one when Michael Venomper. Page got knocked out by Douglas Lehman.

He was there and I ran into him and he did MMA, didn't he? Is that right? He did. He's had a few fights and I don't want to spoil anything, but I feel like he's possibly maybe looking into doing both what we do, WWE and also fighting, which I think would be really cool. But that's exciting to us all up in the air. But yeah, man, he's definitely had some fights. He trains in Orlando, I think, are the same gymnast, Bruce Spencer.

Oh, really? Cool. Yeah, because that same car, your former co-worker Jack Swagger fought on that MVP in the one. That's one reason I had a hooker on the road at the time, huddled around a computer and really just hump to see him do his thing. But yeah, we're all reading for him too. And we all like, he was an all-American at Oklahoma. Yeah. And when you're in the ring with someone, you can tell like, oh, you're legitimately

to do well. And we've got a lot of questions about Jack, and we've gotten a few questions about some other MMA fighters that were. most recently got into the ring, not in your promotion, but in another promotion. And then another guy has a big up-and-coming fight against the UFC Hall of Famer in another promotion. I'm sure we're going to talk a lot about that. But the questions are coming in rapidly. So we're going to dive right in. All right. So first question. We're also on Reddit. So if you have any questions on Reddit, all right, Biggie, specifically for you. If everything he owned was on

the line, who would you choose to fight alongside you against Francis and Gano in an MMA fight? Oh, God. I'd be a fictional character like the juggernaut. I need someone massive. I mean, you could. It also says who would you choose on the current WW roster to fight alongside you? It's the most, I mean, that's kind of the obvious answer. That's what everyone says.

All the comments are like, oh, he's just going to say Brock. Also, I guess Bobby Lashley is trained as well. Yeah. And he's a massive human being. I think he's trained at ATT for a while. I think he might still be there. I know he did some other stuff in another promotion, but he's, he has a lot of legitimate wins under the ballot.

Lutaur Banner for sure. Right, right. So the Brock one feels cheap. I'll go, I'll go with Bobby. Bobby? Yeah, but I don't, I want no parts of Francis, man. It's crazy to see him. It feels like he's knocking guys out with these glancing blows, just, and like top level guys,

top five guys in under a minute. So it's been cool to see his resurgence since the Derek Lewis fight. He's been on a roll of the last three fights. Well, I was going to ask you about that question specifically because I think it was a couple years ago you brought up Derek Lewis. Someone asked you, would you do MMA? and you were like, I don't want to get punched by Derek Lewis. And then I think the very next fight he had that fight against Francis and Gano.

Watching that, what was going through your minds when you're watching, like you said, Francis and Gano, on record being the hardest hitter in UFC history, possibly human history, against Derek Lewis and goes to a three-round snooze fest? I was shocked, man. So I actually listened to, so Rogan was talking, I listened to, like, Rogan talk about the fight before the fight, but I listened to it afterwards, and it's funny to go back and hear how much anticipation there was. And we were all like, this is the fight. This is going to be a slug fest.

And in retrospect, listen to those comments. And we all, like, I remember being in the locker room. I think I had probably a conversation with Jack about the same thing. Like, this is going to be a barn burner. And to see two guys do nothing was pretty mind-blowing. So, yeah, I couldn't believe that one. But obviously, you know, like Francis talked about the fear after the steep fight. And Derek, obviously, with the issue with the back.

But it's been really cool to see, you know, Francis kind of bounced back from that. Because I was worried that it would be beginning at the end for him. But, man, the Blades fight, the Cain fight, the JDS fight, it looked incredible. And then Derek Lewis actually has his next fight book at U.C. 244, Madison Square Garden. He's going to be fighting Blagoi Ivanov. So the last time he fought Madison Square Gardens when he lost to Daniel Kormier, though, who's a big fan of your product. I hope he might be watching.

but what do you think about Derek shot against Blackar, Ivan out former World Series of Fighting Heavyweight champion? Right, right, right. I honestly haven't seen a ton of his stuff. I mean, it's hard to root against Derek Lewis. But I remember I've seen a couple of Blagoi. I think the couple UFC fights he's had. But yeah, it'd be nice to see Derek Lewis bounce back.

And, yeah, DC I actually met at the Staple's Center. He comes to shows. He's a huge wrestling there. He's such like the nicest guy. And he's another guy that's very easy to root. So, and he has a big fight. We have a couple friends out, obviously, about that, but he has a big fight coming out with Stipey Miochich. The people want him to fight the winner of that to fight Francis and Ghanon, but you have the John Jones trilogy out there.

If Stipey does win, there's a possibility of a trilogy with Stipey Miotich's another big heavyweight trilogy. If, as a fan, do you like the idea of a third John Jones Daniel Cormier fight, whether it's at heavyweight or light heavyweight. John Jones is technically one oh and one because that third fight is, that second fight is in no contest. Daniel Cormay would have to drop back down to light heavy, which he hasn't done in a while. He is the heavyweight champion. Should John Jones go up to heavyweight, claim another belt, or would you like to see them running back at the light heavyweight?

Man, I'm really on the fence because I don't know why D.C. at now, it's 40 now. I don't know why you want to make that cut again. It seemed like a really difficult cut. He seems a lot happier, and the power he has at heavyweight is incredible. I think he's still undefeated at every way, right? Correct. The only person he's ever lost to ever. is John Jones.

Is John Jones? Right, right. But in the same vein, I also want to see Francis get a shot, too, depending on what happens with Stipe and D.C. And there's so many different options, man. I wonder if, because apparently Bones doesn't have a hard time making the cuts. Not at all. I don't know how much does it do him any service to move up to heavyweight.

There's so many different options. I'm really on the fence with that. I guess, ideally, I think seeing. Bones and DC at heavyweight is just new and for the trilogy the fact that you know they've never done it at heavyway I mean I mean that's a big fight it's huge

So if if that fight does go down and it is at heavyweight a lot of people consider now Dana Corme at the pound for pound best Some people consider him the greatest heavyweight ever Because he is undefeated There is a question over and I know our comment section It hates these conversations but because you're new

So we have to ask you It seems to come down to who the greatest fighter of all time. There's usually like a top five. John Jones is up there, George St. Pierre, Demetius Johnson, these guys. If John goes up and beats Daniel Cormey at heavyweight, is that enough to just cement him as the greatest fighter who ever lived? Because to me, in my mind, I think right now it's George. He's avenged both his losses. He has two belts and he's done everything. He wants to fight Habib as for a legacy fight. As an, he's like, I'll just fight him for, I don't need the bell. I'll just fight him because I want to. If John beats Daniel Corme at

heavyweight, he's the greatest fighter of all time. Based on resume alone, I want to say yes, then you have the asterist with the PED stuff. And the fact that, you know, George's on record with, you know, George is such a clean guy, like, across the board and so respected. And, like, he never had any of those hiccups. It's, man, and I hate these debates. Usually, I like enjoying, I like listening to them. I hate contributing to them, whether it's hip-hop. So I enjoy it because it's so subjective in different eras.

If he beats D.C.C. A third time, that would be hard. I couldn't agree with you anymore, but we just had a question come in, not related to John Jones or Daniel Cormier. What's your prediction for how Tito Ortiz versus Alberto Del Rio will play out in Combate Americas? We were actually, I was talking to maybe Jamie Noble about this yesterday, and he's another MMA guy, who works to produce with us now.

It's such an off-the-wall. I did not expect this, and then it was announced. I also don't want to be in a position where I'm like, you know, a former co-worker and a negative light trouble picking against Tito if being forced I wish you know both Alberto the best but it's a real zany fight I don't know what to make of it it's it is any but Alberto Alberto does have MMA record like like a pass like he fought Miracle Krocop he got head killed yes Prime miracle progop oh yeah we're all quite you know well aware of that

of all things in a hood oh in his prime you want to have you know your whole like riff roll you want to you know being under a hood for that It's nuts. But yeah, you're right. And I think he's wrestled on the Mexican national team as well. I think, and I might not be 100%. I think he actually made the Mexican wrestling team for the 2000 Olympics, but they didn't make the Olympics.

So he didn't compete at the actual games. But he does have history. Me personally, it's like you said, it's a zany fight. I don't really like the rhetoric going on between them. I don't know if you've been following it on social media, but it's very much got very political based on Tito Ortiz's belief. and Alberto being of Hispanic background. Not a big fan of that, but that's just my personal take,

but you saw what Colby Cumminton, we were talking before, Colby Covington, you saw how he's doing. He's got a title fight soon, and I don't want to say he talks himself into that fight, but he's now one of the must-see fighters on the UFC roster. Yeah, well, it was crazy to hear that I think he was close to being cut. He had like a five-fight win streak and had no buzz whatsoever. Yeah.

And then he started doing this gimmick, which is, clearly inspired, you know, from our industry for pro wrestling. Yeah. And a lot of people like, it's clear to me that it's stick. Like you get that it's a gimmick. Um, but it's putting him in a position. He's backed it up. Like the RDA fight to see the amount of pressure he was able to put on RDA and then do the same thing with Robbie. I couldn't like the pace is insane to me. I'm doing that for 25 minutes, uh, where you're setting a record for, for strike's thrown and also attempting almost 20 takedowns. Yeah. It's incredible. So, uh, he's also backed it up as well.

But yeah, man, it's, it's really, I'm on the fence with that stuff too because I get selling fights, I get you want to bring eyes to stuff, but some of the stuff just becomes real vitriolic, especially with, like, Khab and Connor, where you're talking about religion and families, and it gets to the, like, where's the line? Right.

Well, I think Colby, too, he knows he's playing a part, and I've seen him outside interacting with the fans, and to his credit, he lives his character. Like, you see him on the streets of Las Vegas during fights. He's wearing his red hat. He walks around Las Vegas

with his belt still. Someone comes up to take a picture of them. He's all smiles, but he lives his gimmick, if that's what you want to call it. He's got himself the title not an easy fight against Kamarouzman. A lot of people think they're a very similar style matchup, but I think this is a perfect segue because we actually have a question on the MMA fighting site.

It says, from our friend Lucian, first of all, don't either view dare be sour on this finest of Wednesdays. Before anything else, just wanted to write that I'm a big fan of the new day and what the three of you have done have given me a lot of entertainment both with promos and matches over the years. So sincere thanks for your work and may the power of positivity continue to shine on all of us in the years to come. But now to the question, after Covington,

superb performance last week and it feels like a given that the next Welterweight championship match will be Usman versus Covington. So I was curious. After seeing such great fights from both of them, who do you favor in that match and why? Also considering what we saw from Covington from the promo side on Saturday, how much. much are you dreading the seemingly inevitable ugly build for that fight? I think what you were saying is a perfect segue. I don't know if you watched the post fight like interaction. So yeah. And sometimes sometimes I got other things to do. So like I'll watch the post fight and something. But as soon as Kobe won that and I knew Camaro was on the desk as well. I flipped straight over to ESPN Plus and made

sure to watch the post fight. And I was it's disappointing because it's just a lot of we talked over each other a lot. It was, I don't know, I think it could get ugly in a way that's not entertaining, which is mudslinging. And I don't know. So as far as a favorite, man, their styles are so similar that grinding, where on you wrestling pay, it's really hard. It feels almost like a coin flip. Personally, I just, I don't want to see Kobe be undisputed. Just, just suppose he's going to taught all the Trump stuff. I just don't want to see that happen. But I can't take away anything from him as a fighter as an athlete. It's a fight that I think a lot of people really anticipate. It feels like a coin flip for me, honestly. I agree. And in those type of

fights, I tend to favor the champion, especially because I think in my mind, Kamar Usman's win over Tyron Woodley was more impressive than Colby's win over Robbie, not because Colby's wasn't impressive, but Tyron was the champion. And he was coming off that stunning K.O. over Darren's Hill and I think that whole week I don't know anyone that picked Kamaro lose me in a way I think there were a lot of people that picked Colby but I don't think and if you did pick Kamaro I don't think you picked him to dominate Tyron Woodley so exactly I don't know if you watched that fight what did you did you pick tyron woodley going into that fight oh of course I picked woodley I thought like the conventional

wisdom was that his wrestling would negate Kamaros and I thought he's clearly a better striker you know Kamaro I don't think has a ton of knockout wins and I thought would be able to touch him enough to hurt him and be able to take away the wrestling. And that was not at all the case. I was watching the entire thing wide-eyed because I couldn't believe it. And I kept waiting for Tyrant to, okay, here's Tyrant old. And I know he was just able to grind him for 25 minutes. And it was supremely impressive, but I did not expect that at all.

Yeah, and Camaro does come from that wrestling background, him and Ben Ashgren, who's again taking pages out of your world quite a bit. He actually took to Twitter and apologized for losing to Jorge Mazzvedal because he's like, I want to apologize because because I lost you, the world has to watch Colby Cumberton and Camaro Ouzman go back and forth. So fair play to Ben, but Camaro Ouzman trains with Henry Hoof, trains with Tyron Spong. So he's training with elite level strikers to get on. He'll admit he's not on their level, obviously. But if he can mix that type of striking with wrestling, I tend to favor Camaro over Colby Cumpton. And that'll probably happen in Madison's scoregarden too.

Yeah, yeah, I think it makes sense too. And it seems like Camaro's made some real leaps and bound with the striking. Oh, yeah. As well. And Kobe's pace is incredible, but you also really didn't see him throw anything with any, like, you know, fight ending intention. It's a lot of just touching Robbie. So, you know, I think his only path to winning is a decision. And, you know, I don't know if tomorrow can knock him out either.

But, you know, I think you're right. If I had to give someone an edge, I'd probably get to Camaro. this isn't a question but it seemed to be after that Jorge Mazu doll that five second knockout which we'll i'm sure we'll talk about on this we knocked out ben askeran he was calling for a title shot it seemed like because it was so fresh everyone just goes like you're not you set the right for fastest knockout you should probably get a title shot but we had to wait but then after that we had to wait and see what happened between laller and covington now that covington won that dominantly and it seems it's very obvious that's the next fight and most likely madis square

regarding. If you're Jorge Masu, do you fight Leon Edwards, who he got into that backstage scuffle with when he did that three piece in a soda? Is that the next fight for those two? Maybe on the same card. Yeah, I feel like, it sounds like that's not a fight that Jorge wants right now.

I think he's even talked about getting the title fight next or waiting until the winner of Colby and Camaro. But man, it's just feels like it's kind of in the stars you know with their interaction the three-piece in a soda like it's the story's all

there and Leon looked incredible in his last outing man he's one of those guys too i think because he's fought so much in the UK a lot of times on cards that uh they're not paper views a lot of people aren't really paying attention to and he's looked incredible for a while now um against cowboy against RDA he's put on these really sharp performances uh to watch him i couldn't believe the fact that he decided to grapple with uh with uh with hunter and i'm totally like, what are you doing? And he outwrappled gutter. Like, I did not expect that.

So to see a guy who's that well-rounded, who's that sharp and is striking, his wrestling, his jiu-jitsu, man, if I'm Worei, I don't think that fight does a lot for him as far as moving up the ladder, but it's a fight I really want to see, and it's a dangerous fight for him as well.

It's a 100% dangerous fight. And Stephen Thompson actually said the exact thing you said, we spoke to him at USC 240. He goes, I think Leon Edwards, because I think he's on an eight-fight win streak, and his last loss, I think, was to Camaro. And that was like maybe his first or second fight in the UFC.

They were both very young. I think he's been on a tear since. But he said, I think Leon's biggest detriment is, the U.S. fans just don't know who he is. Like, he's putting on these great performances. He speaks well.

He beat Cowboy in Singapore. I think that Singapore card kind of hurt him too, because that was like three in the morning our time. So not a lot of people didn't get, a lot of people didn't get to see it. But a three-round fight, as opposed to a five-round fight, I think favors Jorge Mosvidal.

If it was a five-round and Leon could wear him out, I would slightly favor Liam, but I think Jorge Mazzal's calling for that Connor O'Grueger fight too. So Jorge versus Connor, I'd be all about. He also wants to fight Nick and Nate Diaz. So he's looking for these big money fights, but title shot for him first. Yeah. And rightfully so, too.

You know, he's really put himself in a position with the Till knockout and with the Ben Asper knockout where he's, you know, such a hot name right now. So, like, I might as well, if you can't get that title fight, I think it's time to cash in for him. And I don't know the Leon Edwards fight for us like MMA nerds feels big, but I don't know. You know, it's not a, I don't think it's a money fight. It's for sure not a money fight. But the welterweight division is so, and Stephen Thompson's coming back.

He wants to fight Hafeil dos finals on that mass square garden card too. Robbie Lawless out there. Ben Asperon supposedly fighting Damien Maya in this big grappling versus grappler match, if Damien Maya wants to continue fighting. but the Welterweight division is, and we haven't even talked about. Nate Diaz and versus Anthony Pettis is at Welterweight. Like if whoever wins that,

they can throw their name into the title shot because they're both so popular. Anthony Pettus knocked out Stephen Thompson. What do you make of Nate Diaz versus Anthony Pettus though, UFC 241? Nate hasn't fought since his second Connor McGregor fight at UFC 202 back in August 2016. So he hasn't fought him in three years and now he's coming back.

Yeah, I think there's a lot of excitement for that to see how sharp he'll be. Also, I really like this new, like, pettus, his resurgence where I think his last, like, three fights announced, I just did not expect at all. Like, the Stephen Thompson guys, like, that seems odd. But he looked great there. So I just kind of like him taking on these big challenges out of nowhere and moving up to 170. So I'm really intrigued, man. And it's just one of those, like, you just want to see what happens because I have no idea. know how sharp Diaz would be after the layoff and uh i'm really excited about seeing that match

and historically i think nates obviously his best weight class is lightweight uh just when he fought but he hasn't fought a lightweight in a while his last two fights were a welterweight he was supposed to fight doesn't pour it at uc230 the last mattas square garden car before that fell off that was going be a lightweight but he's lost to a lot of good names at welterweight but he's also beaten a lot of good names at light weight so i'm a little surprised this is at welterweight i just don't think he wants to cut that weight anymore, which is fair play to him. I don't like to see anyone cut that much weight before they're fighting dehydrate their body. But moving on, Johnny Walker versus Corey Anderson. How do you guys see this playing out? If Walker wins, how many more wins to a title shot?

If Anderson wins, will he get overlooked for a title shot again? So I don't know if you saw, but Johnny Walker's obviously been making big waves in the UFC knocking out everyone and celebrating all that stuff. Corey Anderson has been in the UFC for a very long time, former ultimate a fighter winner. Dana kind of put him on blast after the USC 240 press conference. Corey has been calling for a title fight and he said Corey Anderson has turned down 50 fights. There's no way he's fighting for the title. And within a week, he's fighting Johnny Walker, which is, I think, is one of the most dangerous fights he could take. What do you think about Johnny Walker's rise, Corey Anderson, his, it's Corey Anderson's chances against what he calls,

he said, I wanted to, I wanted to dethrone the king. The USC wants me to halt a train. Those are his words, not mine. What do you think of this fight? I agree with you. I think it's a very dangerous fight for Corey Anderson. I worry for it, honestly. Just because Johnny Walker is so explosive. And he talks to it about not being able to show everything he can do. So, like, he hasn't really had to demonstrate that he can stop a takedown. I think Corey's problem will always be he's not going to put on the most exciting fights. You know, the wrestler who's just going to grind you and wear you down with some solid boxing but but nothing that really jumps off the page uh and i think johnny walker's so exciting he's such an interesting personality that with

the performances he's had lined up as long as he stays away from any other shoulder injuries due to dancing i think i think he'll be on pace uh to have a title fight within the next year so it's just the dancing that he's got to watch out for which honestly in my line of work too the dancing is often what gets you. So he's got to be careful that. Well, I think he has that it factor. I remember when we saw Israel out of sign his UFC debut. He just has that charismatic, flashy style.

And Johnny Walker also is very adamant that he wants to learn English so he can connect with the U.S. market. He hasn't. John Jones isn't quite impressed yet. We spoke in a USC 239. I think Johnny Walker is 6'5. I think he's as tall as Alexander Gustafin. So that's like looking at them,

They match up great. But John Jones wants that I want to see him fight an elite level competition because his words were if I fought these guys, I would be doing the same thing. I just fought Tiago Santos for five rounds. Let's see what Johnny Walker can do against Tiago Santos for five rounds. But Corey Anderson has lost violently to Jimmy Manoa and Ovin St. Peru. So to me, you favor Corey Anderson? He has two wins over former top five fighters at the time. He'd be Glover to Sherer, who's in the top five, and he beat Ilyly the Teefe in the top five.

but he also got, like, he went to sleep against Ovin St. Prue and Jimmy Mano. And so it's a, it's a tough fight. I'll slightly favor Cory Anderson, especially in the three-round fight, though. Yeah. My thing, though, even if Corey gets a pretty valid win, I don't know. It's obviously going to depend on how his performance looks, but I just don't know if he's going to be able to generate enough buzz to get the next title fight. And then again, too, it kind of depends, too, on what Bones decides to do.

He does take the D.C. fight. but yeah and honestly I know the Anthony Smith fight wasn't that long ago but he's looked really good as well and I don't know where he's at now but I think he's got to be top three I don't know what his next fight is but I you know I think he's going to have trouble getting that bones fight again soon but

I think he's going to be a hard guy for any of the contenders to get through I think Anthony Smith has just had surgery so he was out for a little while I know if Luke Rockhold had won they wanted to fight for they hate each other they've been on the MMA hour, our old show many of times just throwing heat at one another. And Anthony Smith said, I'll fight Luke Rockhold like tomorrow in a parking lot. Like so he doesn't care. But we also have

people aren't talking about is Chris Wyden's coming up to light heavyweight and fighting Dominic Reyes, who's also one of these young up-and-coming light heavyweights. You have Alexander Ratchick who's just who just sent Jimmy Manuel into retirement. So yeah, there was a point in time I remember where light heavyweight seemed to be very shallow. We had all these like 30 to 40 year olds kind of dominating like the show guns, the gust of sins, all these guys. Now all of a sudden there's this massive influx of youth. So I agree with you. Corey Anderson, if he wins impressively, you should probably get the title fight.

He did confront John Jones at an autograph signing. So he's trying, he's trying to generate buzz. But I don't know if he can pull off a decision, but then like, say, Dominic Gray's head kicks Chris Weinman at Boston. I don't know how that's going to play out. Right, right. Or if Whiten jumps the line, too, with a solid win, that's very possible. Right.

100%. They always wanted to fight for that quote-unquote king of New York. What do you think of that fight between Wyden and Reyes? It is five-round main event in Boston. Yeah. Honestly, I didn't know if Reyes won the Osir fight. I agree 100%. And I was kind of underwhelmed. And obviously, like, Osamir is not an easy out.

I just haven't been, he's been on a great, I think he's strung a lot of wins together. But I haven't really been overly impressed with Reyes. run. But, you know, I guess based on where he's ranked and merit, if he gets another win here over a name like Wydman, that maybe he deserves the next shot, I just, I don't know. And then who knows how Wyden reacts moving up to 205 as well. So that's an intriguing one as well, just to see that. So I really have no idea where that one goes. Weidman's been out for why. I can remember his last fight. UFC, UFC 30 when he lost to Jacques, Ray, when he was winning that whole fight and then Jacques-Are knocked him out right at the end. That's right. That's right. Yeah, I'm intrigued.

I don't know. I'm going to, I have to favor Rayis. He's a big guy. I don't know if you've ever, like, seen him around other people, but he's a, he's a very large human. And Chris Wyman is big, too, but he's not the biggest for Light Heavy Way. I mean, you saw what happened to Luke Rockhold when he moved up to Light Heavy Way. So for every Anthony Smith and Tiago Santos we get, we get a Luke Rockhold who broke his jaw against Jan Blockavitz. Exactly.

And I think Ray has also played college football. Stony Brook or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's together. He's hyper athletic, but we're going to move on from a long-time listener and comments, Eduardo Bueno. Hey, guys, can you rate Kane Velasquez's pro wrestling debut last weekend? I'm not much into pro wrestling for me, but it's hard to judge, so it's hard to judge.

But to me, he looks sensational. Also, can he become a superstar in the Mexican market? How far can he go? Cheers. So, yes, Biggie, I don't know if you saw, but former UFC heavyweight champion, Kane Velazquez has dipped his toe into your world down in AAA. He teamed with Cody Rhodes and Psycho Clown. I thought he looked pretty good for someone who's never wrestled before, but I don't know what you thought as someone who lives with this world.

So I saw the first few minutes of the match, and I was floored. I was wow. I expected, because you know Kane's wrestler, I expected some impressive suplexes. I thought they string him along slowly, but to see him doing lucha spots and running Rana's was incredible. So I was really impressed with what I saw. I know a year or two ago, I think during his hiatus, he went down to the performance center and trained a little bit. And I heard he was a natural. And like so many of those elite wrestlers just pick up, and grapplers too, like Rhonda with her judo background, just pick up what we do very easily.

And I'm excited to see what King does. So it was really cool to see his performance in Trimylmania, I think, really impressed me. That's another thing we talked about yesterday when I was at work. I was I was thoroughly impressed and I think if he wants to I don't know how long how much long he wants to fight or how much he wants to you know make pro wrestling a living or even if it's just a hobby but I think he seemed to have caught on very quickly and I think he'll do very well if he wants to I agree I was looking back at all the professional like these athletes that have transitioned in like recently in my mind him Rhonda DeAngelo Williams was very impressive when he did made his professional wrestling debut. So those three blew me away. Kurt Angle, obviously, is I think the one that everyone's points to. But I hope he doesn't leave MMA entirely because there's a lot of fights. I just personally as a fan-want-seem fight.

I would be very disappointed if we never got to see Kane v. Steepet. I think to me, that's like, Kane fought Francis in the first UFC on ESPN car. That was actually here in Arizona. Me and my former coworker, Sean Al-Shadi, said, this feels like it should have been Kane v. Steepet. Steppe had just lost to Daniel Cormier, Cain Blast as his teammate. He probably wasn't going to get the title shot next.

Now he obviously has, like hindsight, but we thought it should have been Cain Stepe. Are you in that boat, are there fights that you want to see Cain take or has he done enough to cement himself in the minds of the UFC fans? I guess I often think now, especially as I get older, I think as a performer for an athlete,

I'd like to see him do whatever he wants to run. On his work makes him happy, I think, at that side. As a fan, though, I'd love to see him fight again, especially because it felt like, I don't know if we got robbed is the right way to put it, but it felt like with the Francis fight, and like we didn't know if his knee buckled or, you know, it was just the way everything turned out was kind of murky.

It didn't seem like a proper return, and I would love to see him. I think I love the Steve-Bae. If Steve-A doesn't get past D.C., I'd love to see that fight because it seems, you know, they're heavyweights were kind of out of the mold of what you expect the heavyweight to be yeah as far as cardio and boxing and they could kind of do it all um so yeah i think that's a tremendous fight uh but also like you know he's been fighting for a while and if it makes him happy to do you know triple mania and do triple a show and uh and do something a little different i think that's cool as well so uh yeah i'm just kind of torn i think of it as a fan and i think of it as a performer as well then And kind of, you know, what fulfills you? So I think of both sides.

I think in for a long time, people kind of pointed to him as the greatest heavyweight ever. Like, in my mind, he kind of leapfrogged Fadour with that trilogy against Junior Dos Santos, where he famously knocked junior out at the end. And he looked great. But then we just lost him for a long time. He lost him for Doom. He threw a spinning wheel kick against Travis Brown and UFC 200. That caught everyone off guard.

And then Fadour returned in that Bellator Heavyweight Grand Prix and made it all the way at the finals before he lost to Ryan. Bader. But I think right now it's like him, D.C., Fador, Steepay, it's like this big, and for Doom, we can't forget about for Doom. He's being everywhere. It's this big four, five way for heavyways. Rainy Gatois, obviously, is up there. But where do you sit? Who do you think is the greatest heavyweight of all time? Because like this would, if you fought, you would be a heavyweight, obviously. I don't think you're cutting down to 205 pounds. No, I don't be dropping 70 pounds as possible right now. So in my mind, I think right now it's still Fador if Kane can come back or, it's Fayevour. It's Faye.

or steep in mind? Steepa does have the record for most consecutive title defenses in UFC history. Knocked out JDS, knocked out Alster Overeign, which is very bizarre to me. Who do you think is the greatest

heavyweight of all time? It would be hard to not say Fador. I think if Fadour had been retired a few years ago, I've seen him take a few losses of the last few years. It kind of starts to deteriorate the conversation. It's so hard to say. I think I'm intrigued too.

if DC and Kane were never teammates and DC stayed a heavyweight, maybe he's clearly, you know, the dope at heavyweight as well. So there's just so many options, man. It's hard to really pick one. I know. I forced to pick one, I'd say Fadha. I agree. And I actually spoke with Justin Buckles when he was here cornering Cynthia Calvio,

and I asked him that very question. He said Fador by default or Kane, but he thinks Daniel Korme, if he gets through. Stipe, it's hard to argue. I mean, he's never lost a heavyweight. I think if he wasn't teammates, like you said, he would be a heavyweight all the time. I think we'd have had D.C. longer because he wouldn't have had to make that cut to 205 so often. So I think D.C.

I think D.C. is the most talented heavyweight ever. But in terms of legacy, I'd probably say fade on. I agree. So, but moving on from our friend S.J.Y. Trash Talk. Does the audience perceive trash talk differently in WW. be than MMA. So you obviously speak a lot in your world. You're on the mic in front of a live audience. Oftentimes you're in front of what 70,000 people at WrestleMania. What is the difference, I guess? Can you tell when a fighter is being phony? Like if you think Colby

Cumberman's putting out an act, but then you get Jorge Mosvidal and what you see is what you get with him. That is how he is all of the time. So what do you prefer and what do you think sells fights? I think when it feels most genuine, I, I, I feel like people gravitate towards it more. I know like Kobe's really getting people talking, but I feel like it did. I feel like even his post-fight stuff in the cringy Matt Hughes comment, I feel like Stip doesn't really get people's attention as much as Corhey's,

three pieces in a soda comment or his post-Avran comments, because it just draws you in when it feels like, no, that's not a character. That's how he really feels. And like, I believe everywhere. word Jorge says. Colby, I don't. And I really feel, and same thing, like when Connor was talking, I believed every word. I believed he knew everything he said. And I feel like people gravitate towards that more. I think, you know, Kobe's done well for himself. And I think when you can tell it's a stick. And even like, Chao was a great talker. But even then, like, it's like, okay, he's

really good at this gimmick. But I still think it's a gimmick. I still don't think it grabs people's attention as much as like a guy like Jorge or Connor when you believe every single thing that's coming out of the note. So one name you didn't bring up, and I have to ask you about this, he calls himself the greatest combat for athlete alive of all time. Henry Suhudo,

the king of cringe, as people call him. What do you make of his thing? And he's, I was speaking to him at UFC 238, and he said, well, this is an act, guys. Like, I'm not always like this.

And like, to me, I hate that. Like, if you're going to do the cringy thing, just stick with it all the time and don't try to pull the curtain back. Am I crazy on that? No, I agree. Like, it's keeping K-Fave.

That's what it is. There you go. Keep the gimmick going. Like, if you're going to commit to it, you commit to it. And it's one thing, like, let it down around your friends, when you're home, whatever. But if this is your gimmick to it. But in the same vein, I think this is obviously getting people talking more than if he did nothing. So I give him credit for trying something.

But it's so clear, like pulling a fake snake guy. Yeah, yeah. He's trying, and I commend him for that. But it is cringering. And it's very, you could see through it. But again, like, it's better than doing nothing. And at the end of the day, he still went in and stopped Marlon Marais, who I thought was the best band of way to live. I thought he was going to be the champion.

I picked Marlon by stoppage. And Henry Sehudo did it with one leg and stopped Marlon Marais, which was, I think, one of the most impressive things I've ever seen live at an event. Yeah, I had Marlon winning that too. I was really surprised to see him pull through, especially that first round. I thought Marlon looked really good and then to see Sikudo do his thing was pretty incredible. All right, and we're going to hop over to some Twitter questions. One specifically for you. Which MMA fighter past or present would be most suited for the new day?

Ooh. I think it'd have to be someone who's kind of goofy, so I'd probably go with Johnny Walker. Really? Yeah, he's got, that just exudes charisma. One of the tweets in response said, I would love to see Derek Lewis doing your hip things. I don't know if that's up in Dallas. I would be, I think Derek Lewis is one of the bigger stars in the heavyweight division just based on his demeanor and how he's one of those other guys. It's very much what you see is what you get.

But moving on, another question from Twitter. I don't know if you saw Holly Holmes returning, rematching against Raquel Pennington on that big U.C. 243 card down in Melbourne, 60,000 seat stadium. The exact stadium she was in when she knocked out Ronda Rousey, all those at UFC 199, I believe. What do you make of Holly Holmes last fight against Amanda Nunes? A lot of people, they seem to complain when she gets all these title fights. But I kind of group her in the group of Frankie Edgar, where when she gets a title fight, it makes sense just because of how she can beat anyone. But she kind of falters a lot when she's in these big title fights. So what did you think of her last performance against Amanda Nunes, the greatest female fighter of all time?

And what do you make of a rematch against Raquel Pennington? It's kind of a fight I didn't expect as far as the Munez. fight. I just don't know if anyone is beating Amanda right now. So I don't know if that's really like a shot at Holly at all. And I think she's someone who probably beats everyone

else in the top you know five, easy, you know, top you know, two to 15. But it's just Amanda is just, you know, she's in her own league right now. But I think that the Raquel Pennington fight is a nice opportunity for her to bounce back.

I don't really know where she goes now. I think she's had, what, three title fights? She's had a lot. She's lost to Amanda. She's lost her belt to Misha Tatee, and she lost to Cyborg. So she's come up. The people she's losing to aren't, like, push-over.

She's losing to the greatest female fighters ever. Oh, and Germain Durandami, the first featherweight title fight that people always forgot about. Right, controversial Geronimo. Yeah. But yeah, man, she's hard to root against, man. I'd like to, if she wants to keep

fighting, I'd love to see her keep fighting. I just don't know if there's another path to a title at, you know, 135 or 145 any time in the near future. I agree. But she's one of those fighters. She wins two in a row and they need a last minute filler. Because Amanda has talked about wanting to be a mom, and she doesn't want to fight anymore.

I feel like Holly's going to be right there for a title fight. But we've had a lot of questions in the same vein on all platforms. Would Biggie ever consider doing BJJ or MMA or anything like that? I know a few wrestlers do it a little on the side, but would you ever want an actual MMA fight? Not a chance. I am an entertainer.

I try to tell people that I first of all, I'm 5-11, so I have no reach whatsoever. I wrestled my last time like any kind of martial art was I was a high school wrestler and a state champion

but it's Florida as well which doesn't really have the best better for high school wrestling well we had some good athletes but this is when I was 17. I am now 33. There's no chance whatsoever I think if anything, like, you know, when I think my wrestling days are over and I still want to do something, like, it would be kind of fun to maybe learn some, learn jujitsu or do something like that to kind of stay active and have some fun. But beyond that, there is no way I want to have a career.

I'd say my profession is tough, but I am not a tough guy. I really, if not. If you were, because I know Goldberg's been out said this, the Undertaker said this, and the Rock has said this, that if MMA was as big of a deal as it is now when they were coming up, they probably would have done MMA. What about you? If MMA was a high paying gig when you were, say, 17 winning the state championship, would you have even considered it back then?

Not really, honestly. Like, football, actually, football was always my dream. That was kind of my team. And I just had a bunch of injuries playing, you know, college football, and then, you know, trying to transition. And guys do it, but after two torn ACLs and a broken petella, torn left pack, then trying to get into something like fighting.

I just I don't see it but I mean this the thing is our our industry really there's just a lot of like guys who come from these elite wrestling backgrounds or or you know whatever it is so there's a lot of guys who I think are really capable there's so many guys that we get now who were on the Olympic like Chad Gable is a guy who was an Olympian and we have so many guys like that not quite that level but guys who have a martial art background or or who were legit at one point but me that was that, you know, kind of never really a real consideration. Well, we got a question from our friend, Abdel Riff. All right.

According to Ali Abdel is Frankie Edgar's manager, his next fight will most likely be at Bantamweight. But my question is, who would you like to see him fight first? I think him and his Sunsail would be a great test for Frank to see how good he is at Bantamweight because I still think that might be his best weight class. So, yes, I'm sure you watched UFC 240. Frank Edgar came up short against Max Holloway. So I'll pose this twice.

is, do you think Frank Eager should drop down to Bantamweight? This would be his third weight class. He's one of those guys we talked about where I think he's getting a title shot no matter where he is. And what did you make of his fight against Max Holloway? A lot of people had Max just running away with it 50, 45, across the board. But yeah, Frank Eager, your thoughts on the answer, future UFC Hall of Famer. I guess if he can, you know, he's not the biggest 45. But I always kind of wonder if guys as they get older,

if dropping down is a smart decision. But if something that he feels like he can handle, the Sunsouth fight, I think is a great fight. I agree. I think Sunsale is coming off a loss or two. But it's still a very tough fight and something that would treat me as well. I thought I had Max winning the fight pretty handily,

but I thought the rounds were all fairly close. Yeah, 100%. It wasn't Kobe and Lawler at all. It wasn't that dominant, like, oh, he's clearly winning every round. I didn't think it was that. But, you know, Max just with his Chris boxing, his take-down defense, I feel like people just kind of forget, like, he's just very hard to take down. I thought Max clearly won the fight, but close rounds as well.

But yeah, man, it's, I'd be intrigued to see Frankie at 135. I just don't know making that cut. You know, I still think he beats a lot of guys at 145, he won't. I agree. And I think 135, because Frankie did not cut any weight at all when he fought a lightweight. He cuts, obviously cuts to 145. I think 135 pounds would be the first weight class that Frankie would actually feel the weight cut.

Like he would feel sucked out. But selfishly, I would like, there's a lot of, like, imagine Frankie Edgar versus Dominant Cruz. Like that, the footwork in that fight alone would be something to behold. So there's a lot of fights I would love to see Frankie fight. But what are your thoughts on Max Holloway's run at Featherway? He did come up short to Deson Porre on that Atlanta card, which many consider one of the greatest title fights ever.

but I think it was overshadowed by the co-made event between Israel Adasania and Kelvin Gassolam, which blew me away. Is Max Holloway the greatest featherweight ever? Max Holloway does like to call himself that, but I think right now it's between him and Aldo. Yeah, because he's Aldo twice and, it's easy to put him in that category. But although also had a ridiculous run at 145 and not now. I'm also biased, man. Actually, I met Max made a show in Hawaii. a few years ago and he brought his son and he was like the nicest most downrored guy we

actually played UFC and he actually beat me uh which is a little embarrassing so i love that game like to meet him as soon as i met him and like hung out with him and his son uh i just like it's hard for me to like to say a negative word at all about max so just based on i got to say i'm biased so i probably if being forced would have to put you know max it as you know the volpanovsky fight yeah that was going to be my next question if he can continue to like to clean out the division but I don't think the Volcanovsky fight is, is, like, give me at all. I think Volcanovski is very tough. I can grind you, can, you know, strike well.

I like that fight a lot, I think it's a challenge. But I'd love to see, you know, even though it'd be kind of cool to see him hold the 55 title and the 45 top, what you tried to do with a Fourier fight, I'd love to see him just try to clean out the division. And there's this guy's like, it's a beat. Still, I don't think in the top five, yeah. He actually, that's another question. He's fighting Calvin Cater in the Coleman of Enne of Energy.

USC Boston and those two guys are both very young and they're both rapidly ascending. Korean zombie supposedly wants to fight Brian Ortega in a fight I've been asking for for about six years now. And then Jeremy Stevens fighting Yaya Rodriguez in the main event of that U.C. Mexico City card. So there's no shortage of contenders of Featherway right now. Exactly. Exactly.

So, I mean, I'd love to see just him stick at 45. And I know he's talked too about like he's made some, they sound ridiculous to me and like one day fighting at like heavyweight. Yeah, yeah. He keeps calling out Daniel Carmia. Yeah, which is like he just, I think he just has that mentality of a guy who just wanted to go to any challenge, which I think really endears him to fans. But I honestly selfishly, if he can continue to safely make the cut at 45, I'd love to just see him like take up. Like you said, there's just so many great matches at 45.

And I love to see him just kind of, you know, take on every challenge there is. I think the only thing that will stop him from doing that is he does not have the easiest cut to 1.45. And I know Max hates when we bring that up, but I just think it's a reality. He fell out of that fight against Brian Ortega days before the fight. And he doesn't look great getting on skill, but he makes it every time. So if he can keep making it and doing it healthy, keep doing it. But if you watch the UC 240 Presscom, someone asks him, would you fight Volcanowski in Australia in October? He said, I've done three five-round title fights in seven months.

I want to go get my brain checked out before I even think about fighting on October. he's doing the right things he had his son up there who you thought he goes i have a son i'm not fighting if until my brain's 100% healthy right and i and i'm glad that uh he's taking that approach uh and just too like some of the comments that he's made um just about like he just handles everything so well and graciously and i think he's a great representative of open sport uh so it's especially with what we know about cTE and and that stuff it's cool to see him like take a level-headed approach because as fans we're like yeah like in us sure what's best for us fan Well, we're coming up on a little bit of time, and obviously I could talk to you for hours about MMA, but I don't think people want to hear me talk about MMA.

So there's a few big title fights coming up, so we'll just, I'll just name them down for your thoughts. You can give a prediction if you want, you don't have to. We talked about Dana Korme versus Steepen. We talked about Nate Diaz versus Anthony Pettis, but Habib versus Dustin Poree in Abu Dhabi for the undisputed lightweight title. Habib has said this obviously isn't as big a fight as Connor, but he respects Dustin Poree. very drastic change of promotion from the last fight Habib had with Connor McGregor with a bus throwing and everything. What do you think of that fight? You can give a prediction if you want. It's going to be an Abu Dhabi. So I consider this enemy territory for Dustin Porre. I agree as well. It's man, I feel like every

fight Dustin goes into, people kind of sleep on him. And then you watch him on him. Like, oh, that guy is incredible. And then he goes in the next fight and he got to do the same thing. But it's also the Khabib, man. And I just don't know how you stop the relentless takedowns, the ground and pound. I think you'd have to give the edge to Khabi. And he's a guy who's never lost. Never, yeah. I'm blemished.

So it's an incredible fight, though. And I'd love to see if, you know, if Dustin can even, like, slow the takedowns at all. But, yeah, I go with K.mab there. And I think our cameraman Casey Leiden said it the best when he was on the A side. As everyone keeps talking about, can Dustin Porryy stopped the takedown? I don't think that's the question we have to ask. I think it's can he stop the takedown and then stop another takedown and then stop another? Because you stop one.

There's probably one coming right after. So he has to do what no one has ever done in his life. And that's a beat Habibn Meraima made up. But Robert Whitaker and Israel Adasania fighting on that Marvel Stadium down in Melbourne, that 60,000 seat stadium. Robert Whitaker hasn't fought since his win against Yo-O-Ramaro in Chicago. And I think beating All Romero's most impressive thing a middleweight could do. And Robert Whittaker has done it twice. And I don't think his body is ever going to be the same after those fights because those two were wars.

And we saw what, like, I think Luke Rockhold said kicking, Yoller Amaro is like kicking a fire hydrant. Like it hurts you when you kick him. Like you can like to kick to his ribs and it hurts your foot. So he beat him twice. But Israel-A siren just looked uber impressive. That win against Calvin Gasselin blew me away. What are your thoughts on that fight? Man, it's an incredible fight. I love Israel as a personality and as a fighter and I think he brings so as a fan

I love watching him speak. I love watching him fight. I love what he brings If forced to pick, man, I Whitaker's just like you said just so tough. His chin is incredible I feel like he'll have the edge as far as power and it's cool like I love that they're doing in Australia sometimes we'll see missteps with fights like that where it's clear to be in Australia and for some reason and we're doing it elsewhere, but I'm glad that Bobby Knuckles. Also, I don't know why he doesn't lean into that nickname. It's an incredible

nickname. I agree. He said that he doesn't, like, he lives on the other side of the world, and like sometimes fans talking, he just doesn't hear. So he came to America, and he's like, what is Bobby Knuckles? Where did this come from? Right, and what I'm really excited for. Yeah, I can't pick that one yet. That's so,

this, I like it, Israel-Aisania, this is the longest time he's had off between fights in the UFC. He fought in November, and he goes, I think I'm going to go on vacation. And then he fought in February against Anderson Silva. And he's like, I think I'm going to go on vacation. Then he fought Kelman Gasolam in Atlanta in, like, April. So this is the longest we've seen with that.

This is the longest we've been without Israel or Sania. If he's coming in with no, like, Knicks or bangs or anything, I don't, I favor the most, the more active fight. I mean, he's fought like six times, five or six times since Robert Whitaker's last fight. So, but I didn't think Robert Whitaker was going to be Jacques-Rae. I didn't think he was going to be Y'allé. or Merrill the first time. He's one of those, like you said, Dustin Porre, every fight he's in,

I think people kind of overlook him. So I think that's a coin flip for me right now. Right, right. I agree. And then one final one. There is a title fight this weekend that no one asked about. Valentina Shipschenko is rematching Liz Karmuz for the women's flyway title. The last time we saw Valentina Shishenko, she was sending Jessica I into the ether with a head kick. What do you make of that fight and does anyone in the women's flyaway division post a threat for valetina shipshanco no uh so i guess list famush i believe has over valentina yeah but that was also a yons ago that was a very long time ago um it was a very strange fight i didn't i didn't expect it to be made and i guess 125 also is not the deepest division nope so i'm not

even entirely sure i think uh tatiana is out with an injury maybe tatiana is at straw weight right now Oh, okay. Forgive me. Yeah, I'm trying to think who else is it. Who else is the 25? There's Roxanne. There's Jennifer May is in that one. Sejari, Eubanks, I think, jumped up to 120.

Or no, she's at 135. No, so, yeah, 125 is not the deepest. I mean, I think Calanchucagin's another one, Jojo Calderwood. Like, I think right now it's in that similar to when Rhonda arose up. Like, you get two wins in a row, and all of a sudden you're fighting for a title. Right, right. I just don't, it's an odd fight, but I guess when you kind of run down, who else is at 125, you know, what else are you going to make? I, the thing that intrigues me, I know they fought before, but I would love to see Amanda and Valentina again.

You're telling me, man. You're telling me. But it honestly feels like if Valentina decides to stay at 125, that feels like a division that she'll own as long as she wants to. and like decisively I she's just so so technical with power she can she does everything um yeah I don't I don't see this one the Liz Carmich fight being close

I think the only thing is Lauren Murphy spoke with Dennis Segar on our site because she just won at USC Newark is that Liz Carmuch is the strongest female female fighter she's ever experienced in her life she came damn near close to beating Ronda Rousey in that debut when she had that

that she had that backpack rear naked choke in before she got not been on purpose, but it was like over the mouthpiece. It was more of a pain choke rather than a submission, but she came damn near close to become a woman's band-in-weight champion at UFC debut. She's one of those fighters, I think that could be anyone. And I am very intrigued by that fight. Coma Invento, Vincente Luque and Mike Perry. Mike Perry doesn't really like me,

but our former co-worker, Sean Al-Shadi, thinks Vincenti Luket is the most underrated fighter on the entire UFC roster. Do you have any thoughts on that? I think that is a barn burner of a welterweight fight. yeah i agree that uh luke a barbarina fight was incredible god that was unbelievable yeah so i'm i'm i'm all and and mike perry's one of those guys uh who's just he's gonna want a brawl i know he when he spent some time in albuquerque i think he he kind of got him to i think settle down a little bit and be a little bit more technical um but i feel like that'll be important right i think it's a

great i believe he's back in florida now training with like jacquesauze and everyone so i think he did a couple of camps with albuquerque and then he went back so but i kind of like seeing fighters bounce around. Over him is famously done that. He changes camp, like everything because he's trying to accrue all of these skills. So I slightly favor Luque in this fight, though. I agree. Well, we're pretty much out of time, and you know how the A-side works.

You get to talk, say whatever you want to the fans at the end. I know you guys have a big pay-per-view coming up on Sunday. So Biggie, I think you've done one of these before, but the promo is yours, my man. Yes. It's pretty much my PR guy would kill me if I did not plug SummerSlam. What SummerSlam is coming up this Sunday in Toronto is going to be an incredible show. The Scotia Bank Arena, I believe. But it would be incredible.

Make sure to come out. My childhood idol Goldberg will be in action. That's pretty incredible. Former, I believe, Elite XC. MMA commentator, Bill Goldberg. Ah, MMA plug. I like it. Also, my man, Kobe Kingston, will be an action. against Randy Horton Fennie his WWB Championship.

That will be incredible. Make sure to watch that. And it's the biggest show of the summer. So make sure to watch SummerSlam. Yeah, that's it. I gotta make sure to plug SummerSlam and they would kill me. It's on the WWE Network, which you can approve right now. You can acquire it for only, I believe it's still $999 a month.

Get the WWE Network. It's incredible. What a great library. We have original programming. We have shows like 205 live with so much great wrestling. We also have the old collections from ECW and WCW. make sure to buy the WWE Network please so that all the people that pay me

would be pleased with me and will allow me to do more of these things. So there's my plug for WWE. SummerSlam. It's coming up this Sunday. Toronto. Watch it. And former UFC heavyweight champion, Brock Lesnar, I believe, is putting his universal title in the line against, what, the captain, Seth Rollins? The captain, yes, yes, yes, of course. I could.

So big, big, SummerSlam coming up. And for my plug, I just want to say U.S. U.C. Uruguay is low-key and unbelievable car. I mean, Dimitri's Johnson was one of those dominant champions that was so dominant. I think a lot of people thought he was a little boring and they almost got rid of a division

because he was too dominant. And I think we're in the makings of seeing that with Valentina Shipschenko. I think she's really going to be one of the more, she's going to have a long towering in my mind. And it's always fun to see the genesis of these towering. So that's my plug. Watch use of Uruguay because it's low-key,

unbelievable. But for Jose, that's one-third of the W.W. Smackdown tag team champions. Biggie. Biggie, anytime you want to come on, I'm always down to talk to MMA with you. I think our audience, I was scrolling through the comments, and they're like, I can't believe Biggie watched Vincente Lucca and Brian Barberena fight. So I think you caught people off guard with your MMA knowledge for sure. I watch every card.

I mean, it's a lot of fun. Absolutely, man. Hear you talk about MMA, but I love doing it. So thank you for having. Absolutely, man. And with that, we'll be back next Wednesday. I'll be in Anaheim for U.S.E.C. 241. I don't know who my co-host is going to be, but you just

Stick around on our site and all that fun stuff. Hopefully we get some fun Nate Diaz sound clip is for you guys. But for Jose, that's Biggie.