MMA Fighting - The MMA Hour - Episode 188

Episode Date: August 25, 2014

Featuring interviews with Chris Weidman, Vitor Belfort, Matt Serra, Ed Soares, Ray Longo, Cris Cyborg, Marloes Coenen and Rose Namajunas. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The mixed martial arts hour back in your life. On this Monday, July 8th, 2013, a special happy birthday to yours truly. A happy birthday to me. Happy 31st birthday to Ariel Hawani. Yes, I just referred to myself in the third person. I just said yours truly, which is a big pet peeve of mine. I hate when people say yours truly. It just seems a little pretentious.

But that's what I did to start. off this show and I can think of no better way to spend my 31st birthday than with all of you on this set doing this show talking about what happened on Saturday night in Las Vegas. History was made. There is a new UFC middleweight champion, my friends, and his name is Chris Wyman. An unbelievable moment at UFC 162, Chris Weidman knocking out Anderson Sullivan the second round after Anderson was acting a fool. Anderson was playing around so much to discuss, so much to dissect.

And in my opinion, we have a perfect lineup for all of you here today to discuss this monumental occasion in the proper manner. And, of course, we'll be hearing from you in the third hour as you hit us up with your questions and comments using the MMA hour hashtag on Twitter or leave them in the post below if you're watching this live up for grabs, my friends. Is that right there, UFC fit, or as we like to call it in these parts, Rick's Fit? That's what's going on here today. That's what's up for grabs.

Best question of the day on Twitter gets the whole UFC fit package. Unbelievable. Of course, we're joined in the back, as always, by Mr. New York, Rick. You'll hear from him a little later on. We're joined by Buzzkill Brendan. Mike's in the house. Will's in the house. Very happy that his high school classmate, not really classmate or alum, fellow alum,

Andrew Craig picked up a win on Saturday night. So much to talk about when it comes to UFC 162. Let us talk about who is joining us on this show. At around 320, we'll be talking to Ed Sores, who of course is the manager to won Anderson Silva. I want to find out what's next for Anderson, how he is reacting to the loss, what Ed thought about the fight.

Much to discuss with Ed Soros. Chris Seiburg will be stopping by at around 305 p.m. Eastern Time. She is fighting Marluse Kunin for the Invicta FC. featherway title on Saturday on pay-per-view. That is going down in Victor F.C. 6. Rose Namajunas, of course, you've seen her on the show before. Thug Rose, as some like to call her. She is the girlfriend of Pat Barry and a prospect in the world of female mixed martial arts. She fights on Saturday against Tia Torres.

And we're looking forward to that fight. If you remember, the last time Rose fought, she pulled off an amazing flying arm bar in a matter of seconds. we'll see what she has in store for us on Saturday. Marluse Coonin, the aforementioned Marlis Coonan, she's had some travel issues over the last couple days. She'll be stopping by at around 225. And then how about Vitor Belfort? Banging the drum, hoping to get a title shot next,

hoping to leapfrog Anderson. First, he was campaigning for Anderson. Now he wants to fight Chris Wyman. We'll hear from the Vitor, from the phenom, I should say, Vitor Belfort, the old lion, the young lion, the old dinosaur. You get the point. The young dinosaur, I think. it is. Anyway, Vitor Belford will be stopping by at around 205 p.m. Eastern time. And then we've got

the first hour, which is dedicated to Team Wyden. And this is going to be a lot of fun. At around 145, Ray Longo joins us second time in two weeks. He will be stopping by this time to react to Chris Wyman's amazing win on Saturday night. Good to have Ray on the show, as always. And he just produced his second UFC champion. And then Matt Sarah will be stopping by 125 to talk about the win. Matt Sarah wasn't in Las Vegas. Matt Sarah had some health issues. Of course, he talked about them on this show.

Also welcomed his third child to the world just a few weeks back. So he was not in Las Vegas, but he was watching at home, spoke to him immediately after. Had a great line about how he predicted this and how he also predicts Chris Widman will hold the belt longer than he did. you remember Matt Serra never successfully defended the title after winning it at UFC 69. He ended up fighting GSP at 83 and lost that. So he predicts that Chris Wyman will hold the belt longer than him. We'll see what happens there.

And then, of course, in a matter of seconds here, we're trying to track him down. He is the champ, of course. He is very busy and we appreciate him stopping by. In a matter of seconds, we are supposed to be joined by the new UFC middleweight champion, Chris Wyman. and it's an unbelievable story. We've talked about it. Four years ago, this guy entered mixed martial arts because he knew he could beat Anderson Silva.

That's why he got into it. He knew that if I get into this, I could be the champion based off who's the champion right now. That's why he got into it. He thought he could be successful doing it, not just a kind of run-of-the-mill type of fighter. Two years ago, he makes his UFC debut while still living in his parents' basement, with his wife and daughter. Takes the fight on short notice.

You remember we saw him on this show before he signed a deal with UFC, came on the show with John Volante, was getting offers from Strike Force Belvoir, takes a UFC deal on short notice, fights Alessio Sakara in Kentucky, a bloody decision win, and then he's off and running.

5-0 gets to the contender status, was supposed to fight. Tim Boch gets injured, Hurricane Sandy hits. You know that story. gets the title fight is the last man standing at 185, and then on Saturday night, he makes history and knocks out Anderson Silva,

and we are being joined by the new UFC middleweight champion right now. His name is Chris Weidman, and he is on the air right this second. Chris, are you there? Chris Wydenne? Oh, there I am. Hey, dude. Hey, Chris, how are you? So good, how you doing?

How is your weekend? Anything exciting, happening? Do anything special for the fourth? Yeah, I mean, the fourth, nothing really, the fifth, nothing really. And then the sixth, yeah, had a good time. Can you... What was that? On the belt on the six.

Yeah, I heard about that. Can you even put into words where, like, 36 or so hours later? Are you still in a high... I still can't really believe what happened that Anderson's someone was knocked out that you're the new champion. Put us in your shoes. What's it like? Does it feel like you're dreaming right now?

Yeah, I guess so, man. I still haven't got into my regular routine where I can sit back and pick a time. I'm still in Vegas. So I think when I get back to New York, and I think that's what I'll make out. Maybe it'll set it. Why are you still in Vegas? I'm assuming they're going to do a parade for you on Long Island and maybe even Manhattan as well. Why would you still be there?

It's boiling over there. We just had it set up that way, so we're going to hang out here afterwards. Spence a time with the wife and the kids in Vegas. you know, we make no little vacation out of it, so two extra days. Have you been, I know you haven't really updated your Twitter, although I've noticed that you change your profile picture, kind of sneaky maneuver there. You put the new pick of you with the belt.

But have you heard this chatter, all kinds of people trying to discredit you, take away the wind, say that he threw the fight, that he wanted to get rid of the belt, all this stuff? Have you read this stuff? And if so, does it bother you at all? No, I mean, I haven't really read too much about that, but I'm sure it's out there.

I mean, I'm not here to try to change other people's opinions, but I'll tell you one thing. He did not give me the pelt. He did not throw the fight. There's nothing like that. He was doing exactly a dozen all this fights, man. He just put his hands down. He was trying to metically defeat me, make you freeze,

make me feel like I don't deserve to be in the ring with him. And I didn't want him to do that to me. I felt I wanted to put him in his place. What was interesting about that tactic was he didn't start the fight that way. Only after you took him down, went for the submissions, then you got back up, then he started to act that way. Do you feel like he maybe felt your power, felt your takedowns and said, wait a second, I need to get into his head, I need to change my game plan. Because I don't know if that was what he was trying to do from the outset. Yeah, I think so.

I think with a shot on bottom, I saw his eyes roll back. but he tied me up I couldn't get to finish so I had it was some good shots when I was in Talvin and I could have been on Talvin and looked at and finished and were grounded upon but I felt for some mission

I gave up his mission to go forward because I'm just that's a type of guy and I'm not going to have any regrets when I'm inside a cage I said before you're on the flight and after I'm going for things I don't care if it gets back to the street

I'm not scared I'm going to be excited when I have a full training camp to go for the finish I don't care if it's at risk but yeah so you got back to the street and I felt I felt they're in my mind I was just laughing I'm like oh I'm gonna the fight I'm touching you right now

you're standing there with the hands on the hip so you can do that all day if you want and then he got to the point when he was doing it I'm like all right you know what I'm freaking I'm gonna you know get in this guy's face and you know put my hands on him and that's what was he saying to you don't don't wrestle don't make it a wrestle they want to see a standoff fight. They don't want to see a standler third. So he was trying to convince you

not to go to your bread and butter and to stand there and trade with him, but he was getting mad at you. Like, you were actually coming forward, you were punching him, and he felt like he was just getting more and more upset. Do you think he was just trying to play with you? Yeah, no, he was trying to make me feel like freeze. You want, when you freeze up and you tense up, he's done it for so many guys in the past, then he can pick you apart. You know, he gets you to throw a wild punch,

and he's going to come over and counterpunch. He's counterpuncher. He's not that good when, you know, he's getting you off first. He's more of a guy where you, he needs you to get off first. So, he needs you to get, you know, start swinging on him. But you got to do it intelligently. You can't just start swinging. So, I think I did that, you know, I got him. I got him

when he wasn't expecting it. Was there ever a point? Because, I mean, we're not in your shoes. We've never been in that position before, but it is a little annoying when someone's, you know, kind of making faces and you punch him and he kind of does the wobbly like it. You never lost your at all in there?

I kind of did at the end. That's why you knocked him out. Multiple punch combination. I'm like, when he started to pretend, like he said, I knew, I hit him a couple times.

I hit him. There was one other time when I punched him with the right hand. Definitely landed flush. Definitely stumped him. And he laughed and brought us back to him. I know I'm hitting him hard. I know I needed to put a couple of punches together.

I'm getting him. But it was, you know, I just don't know if he had, you know, understood that. But, um, yeah,

no, at the point I'm like, you're not doing this to me, pal, like, you know, I just, and then that's when I was just like,

I went in for the, went in for the kill. Did he hurt you at any point in the fight? Yeah, nothing. Nothing. Yeah, I know,

gave me a light kick, but didn't hurt me. They hurt me at all during, and during the fight, I was just thinking of my head, yeah, keep throwing that. I'm gonna take you down,

I'm gonna counter that. So at the time, I was just like, I was very confident, I just felt like no matter what he threw at me, I was going to eat and walk forward. You mentioned that in training, you had guys who would try to play with you

and kind of get you off your game. Did they do that kind of stuff? Because the way you knocked him out, you know, he was moving back, moving back, the way he likes to do that with his head and kind of mess around. And then you caught him on the chin. Is that something where you kind of had to reach for it?

Was that something that you worked on? Yeah, I mean, I can't, I got to bring my feet with me, and that's what I did. You know, he's a long guy. I'm a long guy. But still, I can't just stay in one spot and look to punch him because he could be moving his head back. You know, so you got to really move into his personal space.

You know, you got to close that gap, and that's what I did. And I put him a spot where it doesn't matter where his head's moving him. Honestly, what was your reaction when you dropped him and you saw his eyes go to the back of his head? I mean, in your mind, it's all happening very quickly. But are you like, holy crap, this is actually about to happen? Yeah, when I was punching him, once you fell to the ground, I'm like, Holy crap, yeah, this isn't happening. Like, oh, my God.

Surreal? What? Are you kidding? What? Yeah, you were fired up, but you even went over to him. You had this moment where you were very fired up, and then you went over to him right away. What did you say to him? I know they pushed you away, but it sounded like you were trying to say something to him.

Yeah, you know, I felt, like, listen, this is this is the deal. He's disrespecting me out there. Everybody, she's being cocky, like, stuff. He's doing it within. and to win. So it's not, I don't, he's not trying to disrespect me

just to disrespect me as a person. He's disrespecting me so he can win, so he could get in my head. But I still take his disrespect. So I was pissed off, you know, and I was just,

I had it and I got back up, you know, I was like, you want to help up? You want to help out now? Like, I got a little mad. Oh.

Oh. And then, but then I calmed down, and I have a tremendous amount of respect for him. And, um, I just found out and I felt, I felt like a connection with him after the fight, man. I really felt like I love the guy.

And I felt for him. You know, he's done a lot for this sport. I don't know. I just, I, yeah, so, I'm just... One of the camera angles, we could see you mouthing that disrespectful piece of blank. You were pissed off. It was clear that you were pissed off. I guess, so.

That's funny. Yeah, I was, I was, I was, you know, this first time I ever got emotional. a fight, I think. And it was just, you know, obviously, listen, I wanted this fight so bad. I knew I had it was supposed to do it. It was just a matter of going out there and doing it, man. Not letting him fight his fight. Just fighting my fight, which is, I don't care what he's doing.

I keep moving. I'm going to punch him on the face on the feet and punch him. I'm going to look for take downs under there and whatever. I mean, I did everything I said I was going to do. What did you make of him saying after the fight, I don't want a rematch, I don't want to fight for the belt anymore, giving you all this praise. Is that him playing games, or do you believe him? I mean, it was right after the fight.

I'm sure he's real feet down. I know he seems like he's not, but he's actually upset. He doesn't want to a long time, so I'm sure he's a little shocked. Who knows what he's going through his mind. I'm pretty sure that rematch has happened. You want the rematch. I want the rematch. I mean, he's the greatest world time.

I think he deserves a rematch. But why? Well, why not go do something else? You beat him. Why not move on? I'll do, hey, I'm not, I know Vitor and Vizbing all these guys are the quality of that. I think Vitor deserves it more than Bizman, to be honest with you, but I'm not to U.S. You either one of them.

That's fine. I'd be doing exactly what they're doing right now trying to get this championship fight. And I'd love to just accept it with them. If it wasn't for the case that UFSI, I'm pretty sure, if UFC wants to make a rematch happen with this. So what am I going to do, accept a fight with them? Right. Right. Right.

The matches in U.S. U.C. history. I mean, so it's no disrespect to them. I think they're great fighters. I would love to accept the fight with them, but it just doesn't make sense to. To provide that up with UFC wanting a rematch to happen and that being a lot bigger fight.

Dana hinted that a great idea would be Super Bowl weekend, New Jersey, of course they can't be in New York, unfortunately. You said when all this started that you'd give them a rematch at MSG that can't happen, at least for now. Do you like that time frame? Is February too long for you? or does that make, you know, a little bit of sense? It is, after all, almost like seven months from now.

Actually, no, that sounds, to be honest with you, that sounds perfect to me because I got a couple dinged-up little things I want to clean up on my body, and obviously they need time to promote a fight. So this is what you have to expect, I guess, when you're on top is a longer time between the fights. So I think it actually sounds like that. sounds good to be.

What do you make of Anderson's demeanor over the entire week? He was very loose, the kiss at the way-ins, the way he was at the press conference, giving you the belt, the way he was afterwards. I mean, kind of feeling a little bit relieved. Were you surprised by all of this? Do you feel like it's weird the way he was acting?

Was this what you were expecting? For us, it seemed a little strange afterwards that he seemed almost happy to be, you know, rid of the belt and be a former champion now. And earlier in the week, some of the things were a little strange, like giving you the belt and the kiss, of course, but what did you make of it all? I don't think the kiss was intentional.

Oh, I thought he really wanted to kiss you. I thought he wanted to kiss you. I don't think it was an intentional kiss. So I didn't take it as it was. I'm pretty sure we've had some pretty weird stare-downs. I don't know what's going on, but I don't know what that happened to me. I didn't realize we kissed until afterwards and saw the freaking pictures. obviously Joe Rubin's only, but

I didn't pucker up, so it didn't kind of a kiss. Okay. It was just awkward because both of us didn't have our hands. We both walked each other's face. We're both about the same height. The next day I know, I'm freaking Lipsick, clincher. I think that's what happened. And with him holding the belly, I think that was all just like him, just being relaxed,

he tried to be, you know, overconfident with me, like, you know, he doesn't care. Like, that doesn't really matter. You know, is he trying to get in my head, maybe? I don't know, but. He's a relaxed He's showing off his experience, I think, too so when you're

experience like that, you're more relaxed around this environment you're relaxed with this whole scene around all the cameras and everything like that Now that you've been in there with him What do you make of Anderson Silva? Was he overrated? Did he just not fight the right guy?

What do you make of Anderson Silva now? I think he's still unbelievable I think still known as good a little time and I still think I'd beat him again. And I actually think I could do it differently. I could do it well. But I'm very confident in the fight with, I'm sure.

I know you're a toughest critic. I mean, you were happy with that performance, right? You weren't disappointed with what you did on Saturday. There's a thing. I'm tough for you. I still don't feel like I did my best performance. Just in the first time, I think I could have hit a couple of submissions. I didn't get it.

I think I could have locked up that leg lock better. There was a couple of things that on top, I think I could have done differently once they got him down. But, you know what? Everything happens for reason. And I went for everything I felt, so I had no regrets. I did give it my best. I went for everything I felt. I felt a little sluggish.

I don't know. I think maybe the time off or whatever, maybe feel like a little off in there. But I wasn't going to lose a fight. That's what I was not a good. that wasn't like. What was it like having your dad in your corner? It was good, man. We had really good prayer before it walked out and made you feel really

peace and calm. I really felt the calm as I had felt for a fight ever. And it was the biggest one. I mean, I tell you, I just imagine, I just really just another sports session when I'm in there. I just tune out all the lights. That's just an optical

illusion. All the lights, all the people, all cameras. That really doesn't make a difference, man. Still, there's just that cage in a dainty gym with two guys in there. And, you know, it's about mentally and physically breaking your phone and finding waste out smart business. And that's what I felt. You know, I'm just going on then.

Just another practice session. I got to dominate this guy who's coming for practice. That's it. You said all the right things going into the fight, and we'll keep you for just two more minutes. We appreciate this very much, Chris. You said all the right things going into it about not asking for a new contract and all that.

and the salaries just came out. Of course, we know the UFC gives bonuses. But are you going to try to cash in now? Do you feel like you deserve a much bigger salary? I think so. That's probably what I'll do. But I don't know. I haven't thought about that yet, to be honest with you,

but I'm going to probably get another contract. Was this the last fight on your dealer? Do you have one more? I'm pretty sure. I'm not even 100% sure. I think it's my last one, but I'm not 100% sure. I got to tell what I said with my manager. Where's the belt right now?

Sitting in the suite, I'm in in MGM. I'm sure, I was thinking of this. Your daughter, when she woke up, I know your son's a little younger, but your daughter, when she woke in but saw that thing, that must have been a pretty cool moment for you guys. That's neat to just, yeah, just tell them,

well, you know what, in the morning, after I woke up at, like, 5 a.m. somehow and I woke up both my kids were sleeping my wife wanted to kill me she was in the other room man I woke him up and I started just like

I'll get in kids and let him you know daddy's champion I do it like I go it out she's kind of do she's nice and I just spent on these things you know I've

I've been big goal of mine you know I've been wanting to accomplish this for such a long time and to finally do it man is a nice relief but again

instantly I'm already thinking about fighting and getting better. I always wanted to get to a point where I'm relaxed. I guess I've never got to that point because already I'm already thinking of the next fighting and getting into the gym getting better and stressing about my next fight. It's an amazing thing because a lot of people grow up wanting to be a champion of sorts, World Series, NBA, Super Bowl champion, they want to win the lottery. You did what you dreamt of, and that must be a very, I don't know,

a very kind of out-of-body experience. You dreamt of this moment before anyone knew who you were when you had very humble, you know, surroundings, humble beginnings, and now here you are top of the mountain. Are you noticing people changing around you? Are you noticing that it's a little different

as a champion? I'm definitely a lot more popular than I was. I'll say that. People like you now. People, yeah, I think, you know, yeah, everybody else has been definitely liked me, but who knows how they like me when we walk away.

But everyone seems like they like me. And by the way, you kind of, you kind of screwed up the UFC's plans, Superfight plans. Do you feel bad about that? No, I'm done. Like I said, I said everything. I'm not a psychic, but everything I said pretty much,

I said I was going to go after the episode, I said I was going to finish him. I said it's going to be, and we're going to have a rematch. The only thing I messed up about it was going to be in New York. Yeah. But it's going to be, it's going to be one of the biggest rematches ever. And super fights, believe me, that's what they want to say.

There's going to be plenty of super fights. You'd like to be in the superfight discussion as well now? No, I mean, I've got to fight answers. I'm worried about Anselva. That's it. Annesa Silva is the fight that Yoshi's going to probably make. That's what I was told. So that's who I'm worried about right now.

And by the way, are you a little upset that Dana White still has him above you in the pound-for-pound rankings? Are you surprised? Are you shocked by this? That he's above me. I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I don't take anything like that defense. The rankings don't mean much to me at all. I don't, I never cared about rankings, whether it was wrestling or in fighting, but, uh, no, I mean, I don't know why he would be ahead of me in any rankings because he'd beat him. But, uh, I don't see me being taken, I don't see me taking a spot of grades, I mean, of, uh, pound for pound, you know, just because I beat him.

you know, it's my first title shot, I won it. And I got to do some more proving to earn that, I think. Okay, last thing, Chris, I know your dad was in your corner on Saturday. He replaced Matt Serra. And I don't know if you guys have had a chance to talk, so we thought we'd make that happen right now. We've got Matt on the line.

Matt, are you there? Yo, the new show. Yo, what's up, Matt? How are you doing? The new cell. What's up, buddy? I don't know. I don't know sneaky.

Look at this. He has to do this so he gets us talking about. Look at you, Ariel. We talked through text the other day. This is a good moment right here. This is nice. This is exciting. Yo, buddy, are you back in New Vegas?

What's that? Are you back or are you still in Vegas? Not you, Ariel. I talk to you anytime. I'm talking to the champ. Yeah, and I'm still in Vegas. I'm leaving tonight, four o'clock. Dude, I know we talk briefly.

I'll talk you more offline, but listen to me. Yeah. Freaking beautiful, buddy. Beautiful. Yeah, thanks, man. Cloud 9. You're on Cloud 9 right there. You're a huge inspiration.

I don't want to get it on the phone. We'll make our... Yeah, we'll have to get all emotional for that. Come on, get emotional. Get emotional. He'll use it. He'll spread it around everywhere. But listen, I couldn't be happy.

I'm going to call you later on where we're off the phone. We'll hold that here. Hey, Matt, is it me or is the champ kind of like big-timing us right now? It seems like he's changing it in front of our eyes. What are you talking about? This guy, he can do what he likes right now. This is his time, Ariel. Okay, just tell us...

I know, this is... Cloud 9 right now. And nobody interviews, he probably banged out. I'm still shocked. I'm still shocked he did the show, but UFC 119 video blog, Matt, you said this is the future. This is the champion right here.

And you called it, my man. Oh, man, listen, you got to... I know if a talent, is that what it is? Listen, I'll get it to detail. Chris, how would he have he been on the phone? Why don't want to be here when he's talking good about it? All right. You can't have to be butt on him off and he's going to be hearing all the compliments.

Okay, fine, fine. Chris, congratulations, my man. I love you, buddy. I'll talk to you later. Chris, congratulations. Thanks for doing this, Chris. We appreciate it. We'll talk to you soon.

Later, I go. There he is. The new UFC middleweight champion, and we transition to the former UFC Welterweight champion. The man who called it first before anyone on that video blog, you called explain to us Matt I want to be in your shoes it's Saturday night the fight's happening

he knocks out Anderson Silva where were you how did you react how do you feel I was at my my in-laws right and I was at a Ciro's house that's my father-in-law and I didn't get a lot of you

I was doing some shot to grab up because I was I would you know you get nervous I mean he is I had all the things in the world but he is going in there and Anderson Silver is a stud and you know you always more than a person

I was always more nervous when somebody's in there I care about, where my guys is in there, then when I'm in there, because it's not my ass. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? So it's like it's out of your control. So it's a little nerve-wracking, but I tell you, we went nuts. We went nuts when the shot landed.

It was great, man. It was a great, great moment. What were you thinking, Matt, when Anderson started to act the way he did? Did you feel like, uh-oh, this might rattle Chris? Or did you think, okay, this is good for Chris. Now he can capitalize on him with the hands down playing around. No, you know, at the time, you don't think like that. You'd think, like, oh, look at this shit.

Like, just, can I say shit on this thing? Absolutely. Go nuts. I love, that's what I love about your show. I could be me. I could be me, motherfucker. Listen, no, I was so, I was, you know, at the time when it's happening, you know, you're cursing them and you're saying,

fuck, you know, Wise ass, make it that, you know, look at this guy. You know, he's, and he's trying to... And, but, you know, when you look deep into it, first of all, nobody's surprised, because he's done that a ton, man, and fights where then it got ugly, like the time in Abu Dhabi, and with, who is that, Danny Meyer? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

And then there's other times when, you know, he does similar stuff with this, you know, with Forest Griffin, and then he's looking like a genius, you know, because it's like, oh, man, he's playing. but I think that's what he does to try to get into the in the head of the, you know, he's like, hey, listen, you know, Chris would hit him and then he did give a smile and like,

you know, you're thinking like, man, I just hit this guy and he's smiling at me, and if you get the wrong state of mind, you get caught up in that, and, you know, it's part of the game, man. I don't, so, I mean, that's, and it's worth for him up until now, so what are you going to do, you know? I wasn't shocked by it. I mean, we expected that that could be going down. because he does that all the time.

Some of the critics say this taints the victory because, you know, he wasn't fighting at his best. He was messing around and he got caught. What do you make of that? Some people are calling fix. You know, there's all kinds of nonsense being thrown out. Fix is retarded. I don't know if that's politically correct word retarded. No, it's probably not.

If anybody's saying it's a fixed, I can't think of a better word than just retardation. But, you know, they're just saying that's such ridiculous. but as far as I mean, listen, you can look at anybody like, oh man, he was doing good, then he got caught. I mean, isn't that what you,

isn't that how you win? You catch the guy? Right. I mean, he was doing what he does. I mean, let's look at a highlight of all his antics.

I mean, that would, that might be, you know, that would be a pretty long highlight. If you got every one of his little shenanigans, what he's doing the little curly shuffle in there,

and next thing you know, you go to hit him, and he counters, I mean, he's a really accurate counter-striker. So when he does that, I mean, it's pissing me off when I'm watching it, because, you know, that's my guy. He's like, he'd get that fucker, you know? And then, you know, then he does that,

then the guy's getting mad, and if Chris just did, like, a big, boom, a one-two down the middle and didn't follow up with the right left. I mean, he wouldn't have got him, I mean, you know, but he followed up. He was determined to land that on him, and he did. I mean, it was beautiful. It was a beautiful thing. And then we definitely got a segue into the godfather in this.

Okay, well, actually, that was my next question. But, I mean, I'm just saying, I mean, that's a thing of beauty, man. I mean, he capitalized on it. That's the only difference between this silver fight and all the other silver fights is that this kid capitalized on it. And he didn't get shook by it. He was determined, and now he's a champ. Let us segue to the godfather, as you call him. Ray Longo, he now produces his second champion.

You were the first. He was there. I saw him all weekend. I was asking him, have you talked to Matt? And we'll get to the credit that he deserves. I know you're very high on that, and you want to give him that credit. But what was it like for you not being there with him? You guys are a team. You're inseparable. What was it like? Were you communicating with him? Were you just kind of leaving him alone? What was that like you guys not being together for this huge fight? Yeah, I mean, we were constantly on the phone, you know? It's, it, I actually felt I want, I'm pretty such a headstrong kid, and I knew he had a great corner. And, uh, and he's a spiritual kid.

He's, he's religious, you know, and, and his father, I think that things, I think this was, even though it was really killing me that I wasn't there. Like, I was really almost just like, oh, man, what if, what if things just go south and God forbid? I mean, it's a fight and the guy is one of the best in the world. and like, what if things just go wrong? And I'm going to just have guilt. I'd be like, man, not that I could have changed anything, but I'd be like, oh, man, I should have been there. But, you know, the circumstances are what they were, you know what I'm saying.

And, you know, I knew it a great court, but it's just like when I fight with Longo, you know, I got to the point why I'd screw with the guy because he'll get nervous. He'll try to cover it up. But, you know, Longo's one of those guys that he gives a shit, man. He's emotionally invested in the guy. He's not there for any other reason. Like, he's a good guy, man. He's like, I tell you, I told you already.

I think he's like, he's a million-dollar baby like Clint Eastwood from that guy. Yeah. And I don't think that could be more concerned. I'm just saying that's the other guy that he made. He's an old-school trainer, man. And he's just, he puts his heart and soul to it. He takes time away from his family. He'll be there on Christmas, which he'll be there on,

there's been holidays, been with me, he's one in the morning, and he's for Chris. He's holding pants for Costa during Hurricane Sandy with no lights on in the chair. I mean, he's that guy. So, you know, he gets nervous sometimes. So if anything, I'm like, oh, man, I should get in for a long-go. But he's held him together.

Wasn't that great in between rounds when they had the audio on him? And he said, punch a freaking, punch it right through. Yeah, and then he goes, come on, why? man, it was just so, it just like, to me, it just sort of like... That's a movie, man. Longo's destined for Hollywood. I'm told Longgo.

I don't listen, it's not, you know, Rodney Dangerfield. He broke into show business when he was in his 50s. I go, this could be, you could be that guy. You know? I don't fucking know. You know, Rodney Dangerfield became popular when he was, like, in his 50s? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't even know what he looked like as a youngster because I only see clips of him.

There you go. Fucking Cadd and Shack, Easy Money. That's where that guy bought him. and became like a star. What is he? What is he went out to the fight? What the fucking talk about it? What does this do for?

That was so exciting, dude. It was just so exciting. It's one of those wow moments where it's like, oh, because, you know, that never happened to him before. You never seen that. You know, I mean, I've got caught in that he looked out Anderson like ages ago and died.

Yeah. But, you know, this was a beautiful thing, man. Oh, man, how great. Hey, what was a bigger moment, a moment that will kind of be remembered longer and romanticized about and all this stuff in UFC history. Your moment, because GSP, one could say, wasn't the GSP that he is today.

He didn't have the sort of dominant streak as champion when he fought you, or this moment, the greatest of all time losing like that. What do you say? I know you're close to both situations. You were involved in one of them. Doctor, don't know. Why are you going to make things weird?

Why are you going to do that? What do you want me to say? I'm just curious. This is, what's more important. That could be, I don't even know what to say. And I think the one, I think they're both huge in their own ways, but they both, all a couple things in common, is that, you know, no way did anybody think that either one of us was going to win by strike.

Yeah. I mean, you've got to look at it like, really, Longo took two guys with grappling background. And, like, I never sported a debut. I mean, I've done to a tough bank contest because I used to fight a lot, but like as at 18, but I never spot a day in my life before that. And I never really did anything, you know, because you mess around with friends and his event. Like, Longo took two guys, one, a very accomplished wrestler. Sometimes I remember to meet with the Brazilian striction background.

He took two guys that didn't, you know, they didn't have striking and took to beat two of the all-time grades with strikes. I think that's just an amazing thing for Longo. I think that's just, it's not like he's not like who's got a guy from another camp that was already running through people like this and that. That's why, like, I really think it's, obviously it's an amazing, amazing moment, Chris's champion, but Longo definitely is, uh, I'm really happy for him as well

because it just, you know, it just shows that his hard work and under his guidance. I mean, look, two guys, you know, It's an amazing thing. I love that clip. They can call this a fluke, or they can go this or that, but you can't call Longo a fluke. Why do you think he doesn't get... Why do you think he doesn't get talked about when people talk about the great coaches in MMA? Why do you think that is?

Why doesn't Longo's name come up as much, in your opinion? You know, Longo doesn't go out trying to enlist people. He doesn't go out saying, man, you're looking like... He didn't see a young John Jones and say, you know what? Come over here. Man, I got a bunch of killers in this camp, and... And I could do this for you and ask for you. But he's taking guys from the neighborhood.

And he's taking guys, you know, like obviously like Chris and then his ally of Quinta. I mean, it goes on and on. Like even the guys that are, you know, like, you know, everything from Lou Cuomo, from, you know, doing what he did in the ultimate fighter. And I mean, these guys are all the neighborhood guys, man. And he just, you know, he's got a wealth of knowledge. He's a great trainer. And he's been in the game a long, long time, you know.

Even back when he was a head world champion Mike Ryan in kickboxing. That's before you're talking, my real. But listen, you look that up. Look at Google that shit. Oh, Wikipedia that. Hey, let me ask you about this clip. This clip, I love this clip. I bring it up all the time.

The UFC 119 video blog. I tweeted about it on Saturday. I posted it on the show last week. It's such an amazing clip because what I love about it so much is you saying this is the future champion. No one knows who this guy with the black guy is. And then you say you're going to pass the torch to him when you're done. You actually retire last month. He wins a month later.

The belt, it happens perfectly for you. When you saw this kid, when you saw this guy many years ago, why did you think that? Because I always got the sense from talking to you and Ray, and you both have said this to me many times that he's going to be champion. I always got the sense that you were actually truly, you really believed it. You weren't just saying it because he was your guy. You were saying this guy's going to be champion in the division that is being dominated by this guy who hasn't lost in seven or so years. What made you think that? Man, like, you know, I've had a thousand wrestlers walk into my schools before.

Seriously. And, you know, guys who really did well and had whatever titles they had from All-American to this or that. And Chris took the jihitsu, like no one I ever seen him in a sense. day, really, just, like, wow, I was like, man, this is, this is not normal. I go, you never really, you never did your jitsu before, like, what the hell is this? And then, and then when you ran in, like, the stand-up, like, he would, you know, it's hard, it would get to the point where it was, you know, long as like, you know, I'm just having a hard time getting guys to spar them.

Like, I got to, because he would just, you know, he heard a guy's really good or he doesn't, he wants to feel it. Like, he wants to get in there and be really, like, he doesn't, you know, he wants to get in there and be, really? I love to, I want to spoil with him. I want to see how that feels. And he's just, he's just,

he was just a hungry kidding. And all the attributes that you're like, man, I really just, I see him going just really far with this. I see him as a champion, and the future champion. And it was just,

it wasn't, it wasn't something that was, you know, trying to sell them on anything or tell people on them. Or it was just like, man, this kid's going to make some waves, man. You know?

What does this do for the Long Island MMA scene? Do you expect now, because now you guys are, you know, you're on the map, people are talking about you. It's good for business, I would imagine. What are you expecting here? Are you expecting a surge of new students and new business? Oh, well, hey, man. Listen, it's never a bad business when something like this happens. But I'm not to tell you true, but I wasn't even thinking about that, man.

I'm just happy for my friend, you know. I'm happy for my friends. I'm happy for everybody involved, especially Chris, especially Longo. Like, these guys, like, I don't know, Chris is champion, man. I mean, the kid just wasn't his house much for a little ago. I mean, he had a hard time with his house that you're playing with the whole flooding thing. He's been through a lot. And, you know, then he had the injury.

And, I mean, this is great, man, you know. I mean, people, it's one of those things where, you know, people who might have been questioning him getting the shot, but then, you know, look at this, look at that, look at the way that worked out. I couldn't ask for anything better, you know? As far as winning, everybody always, dude, when did somebody win a fight where there's not going to be some kind of somebody talking trash? There's always going to be the haters out there. You know how many fuckers I had to block from Twitter.

I mean, you get positive people, then you get the morons. That's just it, man, you know? You're getting the hate, too? Well, no. I mean, not so much. on me, well, yeah, they'll throw something in about me, but it's more, you know, about, you know, more hating on the fact that, you know,

maybe they just love silver that much, but then, you know, they hate on Chris. I mean, it's everywhere, dude, I'm sure you get it, too. Nah, everyone loves me, actually, believe it or not. I get no hate. Everybody with the fighters. I'm watching, I love you, man. Some fighters.

Do you expect him to fight Anderson again? Because you heard what Anderson said. He wants to retire. Or not retire. We just want to fight for the belt anymore, all this stuff. Do you expect him to... Let me tell you.

You can't really go by what anybody says immediately after a fight, especially if you're talking to a guy that's never been knocked out before and hasn't lost in how many years, and all of a sudden, you know, you're asking him all these questions and he just got his bell wrong. I mean, I remember when Rogan was talking to him, I'm like, now, I haven't even know this guy's got his marbles in line yet. Like, he's all, yeah, he's not over the language thing,

or if he was just, I just got his bell wrong. like bad so it's like he can't he's gonna look he's gonna go back he could have a million people telling him man that was this that was that that's a fluke that's this and or you could do you know you were playing around and you know the people are going to say stupid things

and then you're going to say you know what let's do it again and then I'm sure that'll be a rematch I mean I definitely see that's the way I mean what would be holding that back I know Chris would welcome it you know and then you know I'm sure the UFC

He wants it. Anderson Silver is not going to want that. Of course he's going to want that. I've always wondered this. You know, like, Kane Velasquez lost to JDS, and then he gets a rematch, beats him, and now JDS is getting another shot. Like, I could see if Anderson wins the next fight

that Chris would get another shot because of how the first fight went. Why did you never get a third chance at GSP? Oh, man. What? I don't know. I've always thought that was unfair. I always thought that was a very marketable trilogy, and I don't get it.

That second fight was shit. But, listen. Let's talk about the first one. I'm like, let's talk about Chris. I'm not here to talk about me. Listen, I got my great story for the grandkids. I'm cool, bro. Don't worry about me.

More importantly, it's nice to be a part of what's going on here. And I think this is going to be, it's just exciting times, man, with Chris holding that belt and defending it. it's just really good, man. And again, like I said before, like, did I even get into this? I was saying that, you know, I was saying I was upset that I wasn't there, but, you know, the fact that his father was, and I love his father, Charlie, what a good guy.

I'm getting texts. I don't, do you hear that when I'm talking to you? No, I hear nothing. You know, it's annoying the shit out of me. But anyway, you know, I'm happy that it's funny. It's weird way things work out, man, because I'm just super, I'm really happy that his father was there in hindsight now, that everything worked out, because that's really a special moment, man, that his father was there with him.

That's really cool. He's not listening right now, but he watches the show every week. He told me this already. So if you can give him some kind of advice as to what life is going to be like as champion and how things might be different, how people would treat you differently, what would you say to him? Did you notice that? What's that?

how people treat you differently? Are you even paying attention to me right now? Or what is going on over there? Are you still talking? Geez. Oh, what are you doing now? How people treat you differently when you're the chance of that thing? Yeah, yeah.

You know, I mean, he's a grounded guy. He's a grounded dude. He's got a family. You know, he's got, he's got good people around him. And I think he's going to stay grounded if that's what you're, if that's what you're saying, as far as people getting big heads and this and that, You know, and there's a listen, you know, he was already an undefeated guy, you know what I mean? He already had guys, you know, people on his dock, you know, because he's doing so well.

It just becomes that like a hundred times, but, you know, and he's a grounded kid. I think he's going to have the right. I think he's just going to be looking forward to each title defense. And I'll tell you, it's a great, it's a staff division. And I'm looking forward to the challenges here. I think it's so exciting. It's very exciting. Did you notice that things change?

It's right before a guy that you're talking about. This is all you got. You know what I mean? This is what's going to get you up in the morning. Otherwise, you had nothing to... Right? I didn't nothing to live for. What are you saying?

What do you say? What do you have a long ago? Okay, well, here's the thing. I don't know if you noticed this, but I want to do the same thing. I'm exposing myself here, but I wanted to have you guys on for a brief moment like we just did with you and Chris, and Longo's not picking up the damn phone.

It was awkward, though. No, why? Yeah, I love the kid. I love the kid. I want to just praise them and this and that, but then, you know, you do that online, and then you just get, you know, on the air, it gets a little... Why, it was nice. It was a nice moment.

Yeah. Yeah, it's all right. It's good. You didn't like it? I've talked to the answer with. I'm going to really open up. You felt it was forced? I had my sensitive side out.

I don't, you know, you just want that shit on the M. that one. Yeah, I do. That's why I made it happen. You're a real, you're a fucking journalism. But here's the thing. I'm trying to get Longo on at the same time. He's not picking up his phone. Can you imagine this? You know what? For you too? Because he doesn't end. I think that might have got to his head.

He hasn't picked up the phone. The guy says... What do I think? Who'd been in the super fight? Longgo. Listen, Longbo was a old school of a kid guy, too. Longo was Steven's a dog. The Stensel was not looking too late. Did you hear what happened last week on the show?

That's what he goes That would be a zero Yes He said You know Come on man Everybody thinks it But nobody says it

But then But then But then I asked Sense Seagal about it And he said Who's this guy What is he ever done What kind of martial arts

Is he know He completely dismissed Longo He put him down really He doesn't know Wanggo He's He's You know

He's busy teaching His deadly techniques Get out of here So go It was very It was very It was very You know what I got about Steven's to go.

I was trying to get in John Jones locker room that time. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm talking about. That's one thing you're not going to see Wango doing. You know, hey, this is a thing. You get a million and one. When I got the title shot that time, I had a bunch of, not all these guys were bad, but I had a bunch of guys telling me, hey, man, listen, you come.

You just, I got a couple things I can show you with broken rhythm or this or that. Well, and they make it sound all special. and if I would have went to these guys, I'm not being closed-minded as far as don't go elsewhere to learn new techniques. It's not even like that. But I had the title shot. Longo got me there.

I thought of my career with the UFC by getting backfisted by Sony and people saying my stand-up sucks and whatever. I stuck with my big guy, with the big guy, and the guy, you know, he makes you believe in yourself. And now if I would have, and he made me, the one thing about Longo, when you're pulling

he's not really quick to give a compliment a matter of fact when I lost weight recently he looked at me and you think you'd be saying oh man you look good you lost some weight he goes I think you're head shrunk

the whole lot of what the fuck that means I think he meant that I lost weight he could be a prick sometimes but the thing is this where was I going Longo when you're sparring and you're getting stuff off and he makes you believe

that hey man you do this in the fight You're laying this combination. You're doing it for 16-ounce-claws close. You're wearing this on this fucker, in this fight. He's going asleep. And he believes it. He honestly believes it.

And he makes you believe it. And that sets, you know, even if nobody else believes it. You got that guy believing in you. And it makes you... Look what it does, man. I don't know. It did wonders for me. It did wonders for Chris.

And that's really big, man. That's really big. Because you know he's not just blowing smoke up your ass. By the way, are there any other Chris Wyden's coming up? Do you see any youngsters in there that you want to let us know about? Oh, Robbie Plotten is looking good. She did this. This is the thing.

These little fuckers are going to hear this and go, oh, you know, mention me about to get one name. Oh, right. Oh, guys, this is the M.A. hour. And, you know, Ariel put pressure on me. I got to mention a lot of names. You know, there's a, on the local circuit, Pat DeFranco is a tough kid.

Alan Friedman, he's got an injury, but, you know, he's going to be bouncing back. Robbie Plopkin just did, he just won his kickboxing match over in that glory event. You know, those are some of the, some of the uppercers that we got coming. Oh, it's wrong. Don't listen to get shrub, Eddie Gordon. Oh, yeah. So there'll be the blue one being like, oh, you did he show me to love. He's a good dude. We just won over that, what was that event in Florida?

It's not what the hell of that things called. But he won with a rear naked choke. No, listen. XFC or something, right? What's that? XFC. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's what it is.

I think you said KFC. I don't even, that's a bad joke. Fuck you, Ariel. No, no, sorry. Now, I'm only kidding. Dude, Longo's not losing your calls. Yeah, that's it.

That guy might be getting a bigger head than Stephen de Gaul. That's not true. Oh, he just, guess what? He just, guess what? Longo just texted me. Longo just texted me. He says, I need five minutes. You know why?

Do you ever hear that guy when he woke up from a nap or something? It's a It's a mess Does he realize He needs five minutes This guy

Does he realize it's a live show Does he realize it's a live show It's a fucking live show What is Lago thinking That's all that guy That's Hollywood right there I'm dude That is Hollywood man

I'm a little hurt I'm happy I'm a happy, I'm a happy little fellow. Let me tell you. You're happy about this, about him standing us up. We were going to have that moment of you guys. And then the reality show told him. Why are you waiting for?

I'm really quick. So I know you're the shit stirra. And you went to Steven's going to go, hey, you know, Longo said, if this is what happened? You went to, you know, Longo said it's zero percentage with, you know, you're going to help out. And I said that. Is that right?

Is that right how it went down to me? I got to go look at the video date. I'll tell you how it went down. I asked, you know, I was very, concerned because Sensei Segal, he was doing a lot of stuff for the government. I don't know how much you know about this, but he's been called upon by the government to open some doors over in Chechnya and other places overseas. So he was very busy, and I was concerned, and look what happened. And since the civil loses. So I was concerned that he didn't have

enough time to prepare. Oh, he wasn't? Oh, come on. And you really think that guy's part of the camp, though? He's over there training the guy? Yeah, he told, he told Anderson to do the front kick and then he, look, he knocks out Vitor. He tells Leota to do it, Knox. You are the biggest troll there is, Ariel. You really are. You're funny, because you'll never say a bad thing about Stephen's Seagall, because you know that guy grants you your interviews

and you confuse you're... You know where Eddie Haskell is? You ever watch Leave it the Beaver from back in a day? No. Did they have that in Canada? You know what, leave it to Beaver? I've heard of it, yes, Beaver Cleaver. You know, listen, don't look up. Look up Eddie Haskell. It's a guy who was always to the parents.

Okay, Mr. Cleaver, and he was a real prick. I'm not saying you're a press, but what I'm trying to say is that you know, you know what the fuck is up with Stephen Seagal. You know, that's a bunch of horse shit. I mean, listen, not against Brazilian, I love Brazilian. Enzo's my instructor, my sense, my master. Sure. But let me tell you something. You know, you know, anybody can get starstruck.

So you know, and at the age of Antis and Silver and Leono Machita, you know those guys when they're teenagers, they're watching above the law and they're watching this and that. And all of a sudden, this guy is going to come and show me something. I mean, they probably forget that it's fucking Hollywood, but still. So they get a little, you know, oh, man, Stephen's a call. So you're saying it's just... I was honored. I was honored. Because I was pushing the face by that guy on that cartoon.

You see that? No. Oh, yes. Of course. That was good. You had a thousand cartoons. That was amazing. Preback.

That's my guy. Preback. First of all, how about I don't know about my love atown school? He had the whole shit correct. It looked like my school. Like, what did this? Impressive. right?

And I tell you a friend, what's with a double skin? You know? I thought he was very kind to you. Listen, I can't complain. I thought it was funny. I was laying out. I always told people.

Stevenson got all mocking me out. It was awesome. You spent a lot of time on the internet, eh? Only one, I'm taking a shit. This is what happens. You want me to see from a minute? I got an iPad.

What do you? What do you? What do I? You want me to read the fucking? and, yeah, I was going to see the Daily Planet. What am I? Am I living in a comic book? I don't know what's going on here.

We're trying... I mean, listen, you're back in the day, you read the newspaper on the toilet. Do you have an untanned, Ariel? I do. I watch your fucking show from. Well, I appreciate that. Oh, wait.

I watch you right from the crapper. Well, at least you're watching. Yeah, that's it. Hey. I threw you right to fuck off with that. I'll go. If you're done with me, I'll wait. No, no, no.

I think we got the master on the line right now. Master Ray, Mr. Hollywood. would. Are you there? I'm here, Ariel. I mean, I don't know from real here, but... I'm on the phone. I don't know if you know this, Ray, but this is a live show.

And Matt was kind enough to stick around. We wanted to have a nice moment of you and Matt kind of rejoicing together, and you held us up. And I was sleeping. Yeah, that's what happened. You needed five minutes. You needed five minutes, big guy? You know, it is, man. I took the red-eye home, and I

I passed out. I came home, and of course, first thing I wanted to do, my wife wanted to watch the fight with me with the kids, and we watched it together, and then I just passed out.

But I'm ready to roll out. That's okay. Whenever what I told Jareal about his voice, if he was taking a nap or something, this interview is fucked. Oh, I'm going to go on. I'm going to keep them busy for a couple minutes.

Go fucking gargle. Now, gargling ain't going to help. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm going to get off the fucking. This is why I didn't want to do it with Lago because I'm going to be an ass, and this is his moment. Let me go.

Let me go. Just one thing. One thing, Matt. Tell him how you feel. Tell him, give him a congratulations. I want some love here. I want some emotion. You don't think they gave that to him all right?

I want the people to hear it. Ah, Ariel, you're so awkward. What do you want to start with this? No, Longo. I'm going to talk to you off the thought. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm not putting it to Ariel.

He wants to do one of those moments When you're like What the moment Listen Longo There's one thing in common That me and why they have And that's the big guy

I want to leave it on that All right Two people shock in the world What are they all in common I'm out of a big guy I'm out of here Rango Call me when you're done

There he is Matt sir I will take it easy buddy I will talk to you later All right Larry, we got to want him. And no more stirring up shit with Stephen Zagal. We don't want to suck along with that. Hey, I'm trying to get him a big fight here.

I'm trying to make it happen for him. I want to watch his going for that. Larry. There he is. Matt, Sarah. Thank you, Matt. Hey, Ray, I will be honest with you. Every time I keep talking to Matt over the last 24 hours or so, and he keeps, you know,

he keeps throwing it back to you. He keeps saying, you're the guy. You're the guy. You're the guy. I mean, you did it again. You shocked the world again. You have a second champion. I'll ask you the same question.

I asked Chris, who was on, you know, 40 or so minutes ago, 36 or so hours later, does it feel like a dream? Does it feel like this actually really happened? You knocked out Anderson Silva. I tell you, it's really, really crazy. And rewatching the fight was even more crazy. I mean, he actually beat the crap out of him. He actually showed him no respect.

He kept going forward. Yeah, what a great fight. and the guy, for whatever reason, felt like clowning around, and he got away with it in the past. And I think it goes back to what I said when we did the interview a week ago. He's not those guys. That was the difference. Everybody was getting mad and all of that stuff.

To me, it was like, can he get away with that crap? All this kid was in front of him. And I really didn't think so. You know, me and Chris had an interesting conversation at the pool. He started talking. He said, although we had like a, you know, a rough game plan, not a rough game plan. We had a good game plan.

He said that he knew in his head that I believe that he could beat him standing up. And, you know, we didn't want to get too cocky. And I go, dude, you're 100% right. You know what I mean? And, you know, like, you can forget about boxing Roy Jones box, Chris Wyden. Weidman would kill that guy in a boxing match. Literally, there's no question.

Weidman would be, you know, just, he's really, really good. And I think he proved it. again, the guy got cocky, and I didn't know the reach. We wanted to figure out how much the reach would be a play in the fight, but Wydenman's got a great reach, and I think that was a difference in the fight. What were you thinking as his coach, after the takedown, after the submission attempts, when he gets up and he starts acting like that? I mean, were you concerned at all that Chris would get off his game?

That's what I was thinking, to be honest. I was like, how was Chris going to... I was concerned, no, 100%. I was concerned, but if you're going between rounds, I said, we know that's bullshit. I mean, it's just, he goes, yes, I understand. So it's really a real guy could dance and do a handstand in front of you, but he still got to come forward to Hager.

So he could make faces run back to, if he's not doing anything. I mean, that's the whole thing. I mean, I can act like Bruce Lee, but at some point I got to encroach and go to Hager. And the guy never really did that. My Whiteman was making him miss punches. And what did he do? he made a couple of faces. He made like he got.

It was crazy. I mean, it was, again, I'm going back to my original thing. He's not those guys. You know, he could do that to Thal's Ladies. I don't know what that meant. You know what I mean? I could do that. The guys in the gym that are a lesser, you know, magnitude of what you could

do. So what did it mean? I knew this kid was different. I mean, the guy paid the ultimate price for fact and cocky, and I think it was really strong. stupid. And I think people think the rematch will be different because he's going to

all of a sudden, I think that's part of his game doing that. That is his game. That's what he's been doing. That's what he's done to everybody. He did it to Forrest. He did it to Bonner. That's not like he's, that's what he does. You know, I think, you know, there came a point even in Roy Jones's career, he couldn't

get away with that shit no more. And again, the rematch, all I hear is TikTok, tick, ta. A, one guy's getting older and one guy's going to be getting better. I say the rematch will be a disaster for him. People are trying to take something away from Chris here saying that, oh, he only lost because he was doing this. He lost because he wanted to get rid of the belt. He lost because

he wanted to go fight Roy Jones. Do you hear this talk and does it annoy you? I annoy this shit out of me. I remember one time we were talking and I said, this guy, everybody, he fights, he beats Mark Munoz. All of a sudden, Munoz is an old fat guy. He beats Damien Maill, or Damien Maier's a 170-pounder. They keep coming up with shit. They can't face the facts

how good this kid is. And yet it's actually annoying, but not annoying, to take me off of anything or distract me. But if you're asking the question, yeah, it's annoying. I mean, Damian White and goes on, you know, he submitted jail.

He's crushed a couple of good guys at 170. You know, and you can't call Mark Munoz an old fact. anymore the guy shredded. So that's out the window. But what is, so now Anderson, Silver was clowning around. But when he was clowning around with Forest Griffin, it was okay.

When he was clowning around with Stefan Bonner, it was okay. When he was clowning around with towels and everybody, that's okay. But when he clouted around with Chris, you know, and Chris beat the crap out of him, it's not okay anymore. I don't know. Does that make sense to you? It makes absolute sense. And honestly, the talk of it being fixed and all this, I feel like it's really unfortunate that people are looking for these reasons.

And people are going to say, oh, you're Chris's guy and all that stuff. No, enjoy the moment. Enjoy that history was made. Come on. Give it up to the kid, for once. Give it up to the kid. He believed in himself. You know, I think we said that he's talented.

I mean, he took him right down. You know, we did some nice ground and down. And, you know, like, I mean, well, he was defending. I don't believe. I don't even know. but as far as being fixed I mean I could tell you

Ariel one thing you wouldn't want to do I mean even when you're fighting you know your posture you know it's very important tuck your chin good base learn how to absorb punches right

one thing you wouldn't want to be doing is get into a limbo stance and have this kid punch in the head I don't care how fixed people think it is when you'll lean them back like that you have nothing

I'm not letting that guy, he punched me in the face when I'm doing that, and then punch my head and let it rebound off the floor. You know what I mean? So if that's a fixed fight, God bless Anderson Silver. He's a tougher than I thought he was.

Are you in agreement that the rematch needs to happen? Do you want to see it happen in Super Bowl weekend in Newark, or do you want to see him fight someone else? Well, no, I just agree. He wants to rematch. He wants to prove that there's no question about it. I mean, I think you're putting a

did with confidence, you know, all the things we said about him, all the attributes, just stack on more confidence. Now he's been in there with him. I said our job was to demystify this guy to Chris, which I think we did a good job, and I think he showed him in the fight. I think he showed no regard. Bordman was sticking his head out of him. Yeah. Let him punch him in the face of the, but who's doing that? Then he made him miss a couple of punches, you know, and then when he was missing him, and he didn't stop, he zeroed in on him, and he was going to get what he wanted.

And, but yeah, the rematch, I'm going to say, you know, only because I met the guy, I even listened to Dana kind of said, you know, the rematch will be different. Yeah, it'll be different because this time it's going to be, it's actually going to be worse. I can tell you that right now from knowing Maudeman, you know, and obviously I've always believed in him. and what do you think this guy's going to get better you know he's that was that was that was a pretty good knockout man if you go back and look at it

I mean he got he took a couple of shots and I'm saying widening him looked out of that fight unscated you know what do you get kicked in the leg a couple of times I don't think he got a head aerial I really know unless he stuck his head out he took a couple of I don't even know it wasn't a mark on him yesterday and he was like he was having a good time

with the pool, you know, by me. So, you know. One of my favorite parts of the, the whole fight, are the coolest moments of the fight, was in between rounds. They had the audio on you, and you saying, you know, punch a hole through his freaking chest.

Come on, Wyman, let's go. It was just, it was, you know, that wasn't the most technical advice of all time, but the passion was there. And it was just for someone who knows the story of you and Chris and how you, this really is homegrown talent for you that you brought up from the beginning

to a title fight, it was so great that they got that on camera. You know they got that, right? You've seen that part of the fight? Oh, yeah, yeah, I just saw it now, yeah, about four hours ago. But, yeah, no, no, no, the passion was definitely... I'm sorry, what was your question? So what were the emotions?

Tell us about, because you were fired up. You were fired up. How were you feeling in those moments in between the round while you're watching this? What were the emotions going through you? Oh, no, no, no, I was there. The passion, I'm glad it came out because the passion was there. And, you know, I just wanted to know, come on, man, we know that that's bullshit. like you got going back to the regular thing.

I could do the, excuse me, I could do the limbo in front of you all night long, but you do give up your hips doing that, and you can move your head, but the body's not going to move, and that was part of the gameplay. I really wanted to crush his body, you know, in the fight. So that wasn't the first time I had told him, you know, the punch at the chest any time you miss a guy's head, you just go right back to the body that you're not going to miss, and it'll bring the head forward.

And that was it. That was all way of, that was my way of saying, And that wasn't the first time that he heard that, though. What was my way is saying? Look, if we can't find that head, when he's doing that, let's bang the body first and go back up to the head. He didn't have to do it, but, you know, that's the advice. So it's not that it was, it actually was technical advice and described in a very passionate, non-technical way. So now, do you feel like Ray Longo is going to get some more respect?

Do you feel like you're going to get the attention and the spotlight and all that stuff? You've got two champions now. You've produced two champions. You defeated the king. Do you want that? Are you expecting some new students? How's life going to change for Ray Longo? No, that's not going to change.

I'm not in for that. But I mean, I think that the thing that people could take away from it if they want to is that Chris mad me. I mean, at this given moment, we're the best of what we do. And that's all I ever wanted to do is whatever I do. I just really want to be the best editor or I don't want to do it. And if it proves that, fine. If not, I'll just keep going. It's not really, honestly, I really won't change my.

I got a great life before the fight. I'm going to have a great life after the fight. You know, I got a great family and stuff. And how do they stick with me through all this craziness and you know the travel and all that stuff. But it's, yeah, that's not, I'm going to say, you know, I've been there before with Madden. It's not really going to change anything.

It's just a great feeling for me to know that. You know, I've been there twice with people. I would imagine coaches dream of, you know what I mean? I mean, it is the pinnacle of success to get to that point. That's an internal goal of mine, and it feels great. Yeah, but externally, I don't really care what happens with that. But internally, it's a great feeling. And, you know, don't even watch in a fight.

My mother was at my house, but my brother and relatives. and it's that point great. You know, I hope my kids wreak the benefits. That's how I'll answer to that. I couldn't care about anything. It's really happy to change one thing for me, but, you know, me and Chris are expanding the school

that I'm in now, so I hope, you know, again, that goes. I think that's going to go really well. You know, he's a young trip with a family, so it's more exciting for me to watch, you know, him get all the accolades and have a great time. So, you know, it's all good.

It's an amazing story. We appreciate you coming on. I know you're very tired, Ray. I'm absolutely sharp. I feel big, because I think the last time I saw you, I had some life to me. I'm like, wow, that trip took over. That was crazy. What did you get back? I had a curiosity. I got back. I took the 7 a.m. flight on Sunday morning, first flight out so I could be home with my family and got back yesterday afternoon at around 2.30. I still feel like I don't even know what transpired Saturday night, so I can't imagine. imagine how you're feeling right now. Yeah, I think I did, whatever I said was the best I could do at this given point in time. But you know what's funny?

I was on that flight. They tell me after the fight I'm on that flight. I'm like, I'm never going to, I'll never make it. I go, just book me any other flight. So they booked me on a complete opposite. The red eye at like 10 o'clock. I'm like, oh, my God. I go, I went from one extreme.

I was actually on the 7 o'clock flight. Oh, really? But I don't think there was a chance. I would have to go around the clock. And I'm saying, I wish I was about 20 years younger because then it would be no problem, but it's getting to the point where it's crazy. And I know my kids are growing up now, so it's not like I've got to rush, rush home. But that's great. Yeah, I was actually on your flight.

That's funny. Oh, we could have celebrated it together over the... We could have celebrated together, yeah. I might have been a better shape at that point than I am now. But I think coming home and watching the fight was pretty cool. It was an amazing moment. it's a moment we're going to be talking about. I have a feeling for many, many years to come,

and I think the rematch could very well be the biggest, if not one of the biggest fights in UFC history. And it could take place, by the way, just a few minutes away from you in New Jersey. Not bad. That would be nice. We'll drive in together for that one. Ray, thank you so much.

Congratulations. Enjoy this moment, and we'll talk to you very soon. Really appreciate you stopping by. All right, thanks, Harry. I'll talk to you soon. There he is. Ray Longo, trainer to the stars,

trainer to the champions. he has another champion under his belt. He's got Chris Wydenman, the new UFC middleweight champion. What can you say? Well, we'll talk about it a lot more from those angles, from the Weidman angle. I'm assuming your questions, hit us up using the hashtag DMMA hour, leave them in the comment section below in a matter of moments. We'll be joined by Vitor Belfort, who on Saturday, Dana White said,

had been hitting him up with 100 or so text messages saying that he wants to fight Chris Wyman next. Prior to the fight, he was saying he wanted to fight the winner of this. And if you recall, after his win over Luke Rockhold in May, Vitor was kind of sitting back and saying, look, I'll leave it up to the UFC. You tell me what I've earned. You tell me what I've deserved at this point. But then last week, he kind of changes tune, writing to Dana on Twitter, telling me several times, saying, this is my destiny. This is what I've earned. This is not what I deserve. This is what I've earned. This is what I've done to get here.

And this is why I should be the guy fighting for the belt next. And then with Anderson saying he doesn't want the rematch, that just kind of opened the door for Vitor. And honestly, if Anderson doesn't want the rematch, if he truly doesn't want the rematch, then it should be Vitor, based on what he's done at 1.85, based on what he's done as of late, in particular, his knockouts against Luke Rockhold, and then in January against Michael Bisping,

if Anderson Silva really doesn't want to fight for the belt anymore, really doesn't want to fight Chris Wyman. At this point, Dana White and everyone is saying that there will be a rematch, that he will fight Chris Wyman, all that stuff. If that really is the case, what Anderson is saying, then yeah, it should be Vitor.

No one else deserves it. I saw Michael Bisping calling out, I think Bisping maybe one more win, two more wins. What it does now is it opens up all these fresh matchups for guys like Bisping, for guys like Vitor, of course, Jacques-Rae, Jacques-Rae fighting Yusinokami in September. Those guys, now we have a new Q at 185. Just trying to figure out the Skype issues here.

Having a bit of Skype issues, but I'm telling them, we won't do it via Skype, let's just get him on the phone. We want to hear from the phenom. We want to hear from the young dinosaur himself, trying to go one more time. Dana-Way kind of tried to, I didn't try to. He did kind of shoot it down. on Saturday saying the rematch is the fight that he wants.

And if you look at the schedule, I mean, the schedule from now until January, there really isn't a chance for Chris to fight again. They're not going to put him on the undercard of a Ronda Rousey fight. They're not going to put them on the undercard of a Kane Velasquez fight. They're going to wait and put him on the main event. And the one that makes the most sense is February Super Bowl weekend in New Jersey, and we have Vitor Bellford right now. Vitor, are you there?

How are you? I'm doing great. Vitor, thank you. Sorry about the technical issues. We apologize for that. But you're used to these kind of things. You know, Brazilian time, right? Come on, man. You know, technology. You cannot control the outcome. We can only control what you're doing right now. And that's what we are right here. I'm so interested to talk to you, Vitor. Many things to discuss. First, I have to ask you, what did you think of the fight? And in particular, the way Anderson was acting before he got

knocked out. You know, it's like I think nobody has a... righteousness to charge anybody and only God's their choice. But as a principle in martial arts, you know, the first thing you learn when you go to a virtual world, when you learn martial arts, the first thing you learn is the respect. You know, if you don't have your opponent across the other side of the map or the oxygen, he is the most important person. It's that moment for you because that's the person who makes you compete, give you the

the pleasure to entertain people. But I see martial arts not just in the entertainment side. I see as a sport. And as a sport, like in NBA, NFL, and we have code of conduct. And that's something that, and then you see, we need to start having that. And I think he really didn't have any conduct on this side of defense.

And he acts inappropriate. And it wasn't the first time. So I hope this would be the last time that he did. So he said after the fight, I don't want to rematch. I don't want to fight for the belt anymore. Let's just say he changes mind. You don't think he deserves to fight for the belt based on the way he was acting. He needs to go out and do something else,

and you should get in there and fight for the belt next, right? Yeah, I think he needs to oversee, you know, you know, his will and the way, you know, his life, you know, nobody can judge him beside him, you know. He has to make decisions. I cannot make good to him for him. But I think we need to start having sort of a, like a rule, you know, and the rules, like, you know, and the rules, like, you know, everyone that fought me, if they would beat me, they would be a line. You know, they will fight next, either one. So, and I'm in a position that, you know, I don't earn it.

for all I did and for all I'm doing. So I think, you know, on my perspective, I earned that shot, you know, and I think the fans, the media, they all agree with that. And I'm not a promoter, but that's what I think. You ask me what I think, and that's what I think, and that's what my mind is. You know, I'm so strong, right, mentally right now that I know what I want, and nobody can take that away from me because it's in my inner mind. inner man.

He's tired of me. My inner, inner man. Everyone has that inner man. And that's the conviction of my heart, and that's the conviction that I work at it. And not just me, it's my coaches,

Jimmy Monday, you know, Harry who's 50 years, you know, you know, all of the black, you know, we all on that mood,

all on that search, you know, so I'm really confident. Me and my wife, my kids, you know, they're all supporting, you know,

they all watching the fight, you know, they all bad, you, mess, you bring that all, you know, and it's not about community, like I said to them, it's about us. It's about we all achieving nothing to get. And that's accomplished, and my identity is not on the belt.

It's just accomplished my mission on the sport. And that's what I feel. That's what we're going right now. Based off of what you saw from Anderson on Saturday, do you think he has lost that? Do you think he has lost that drive, that motivation to be the best, to be champion? I think it looks, I think so many pressure on me.

And just the way he carried himself. I only hate to answer that. But I just, I'm just sorry when a person just carrying that much further on the back, you know. Like I said, you know, it's only him can make that answer, can answer that question. But I really, that's how I feel, you know, if you feel like she was happy, to pick that all the options back and he wants to kind of see what he wants to do it

you know and I always said you know I was trying to teach my kids as your son in life when you do something like example

making you a bad I think it's the best the best way to start in the day is making a bad right and finding the mental coaches like you just say that

like the first thing you do when you get off the bad and making a bad train yourself. Yeah. The place where you sleep, they lay your head, the way you're stressed.

I think if you just need to see the motivation, what's my motivation? That's something only you can answer, only the person, only civil can answer for himself. So my motivation is just to do what I do for love. You know, I'm enjoying. I'm right with having to love again.

You know, I'm finding that love of training, forming, and learning. So I'm learning new stuff. I'm improving. you're in Brazil and right now right? Right now I'm doing a shooting for MTV with the vacatur 100 years

and the World Champion of Towing Circle you know college football we are shooting a reality show like a TL coaching like a little team and then guys

they have to compete on each one of the area so just stop right now they're about to go in the in the lake to do touring so it's fun

You know, what are they saying in Brazil about this, about the way Anderson acted, the way he lost, and you saying you want a title shot? What's the talk in Brazil right now? Everybody, I think all the media and all the press, they need to tell them in the way he behaved because it wasn't the first time. But everybody wants to step in, you know, everybody wants you to go there. like a whole the whole Brazil think I deserve it

and and that's it you know I just I just hope that you know like

just all the fighters and all the MMA athletes can understand the active of the first thing you learn in mixed martial

it's the athlete respect and the problem with mixed martial arts right now people are stepping in the things in the path

on the gym and they just want to be champion. They just want to fight in the UFC. But you've got to understand, behind the entertainment, we have a sport. We have something to carry, and we carry something that we don't have, we don't have barriers, like some of the soccer.

We have the goal, we have the ball, we have it, you know. We are totally non-concept, of typical context. So we need to respect each other because we can't have the other guy on the cross-coachers on the blue corner, on the right corner. I cannot make my listen. That guy is the most. important person at that moment. So we need to really respect each other.

We need to fight hard, and we need to show the whole role. We're just the family sport. You know, kids, I don't want to teach kids to pull each other on schools. But we need to have responsibility, sponsorship we have, the sport has. I come from the area, area, that we even couldn't be in the paper here. You know, porn movie could have been, porno can put it be in the paper view. We couldn't. and my sport in my country

they never would be in the open TV I was the first guy with our sport on the open TV and now we have the major network not just in the field but the world so we need to understand

and we need to have code of conduct of the school and sometimes fighters say you stuff and do so he could cause a prize not just for himself but for the sport and I think we need to think

about that and have more we can be competitive you can be rival but you need to expect that's happening in every sport if we want to be a consider of sport we want to be an Olympic one day

we need to have cold of our sport would you like to see maybe like you know in pride they had the yellow card the red card something like that would you like to see that happen more or be utilized here in the United States

it's not a yellow car it's about every sport on the NBA, if you do something, that's penalized. You get ball. You know, you don't fight for, you don't play in all the games. They have a responsibility.

And I think we need to have a response even more because we have athletes, we are M&A fighters, we are M&A athletes. And the UFC, their family sport. In my example, I had a,

I had a couple very important persons, people like Brazil, they're watching the fight by house. That woman was turning. She was curving her face. She was too ashamed of what was being the fight. And I was trying to explain her, and she was like her first experience in fighting. And she said, you're just told him, respectful, this and that.

And the problem is to kind of, you need to understand that a lot of people, you didn't have a contact with her shift yet. We are growing, we are growing, but we are so... Do we lose Vitor? Vitor? We're kicking each other. So we need to have more respect to kind of change life. So I behave, not just in an oxygen, but also outside of oxygen.

And I think that's how our life is about. We need to have rules and accommodates and how you behave. So I think, and my point of view, if I was just, If I run a business like that, I'll shoot stuff like that. Could it hurt just before. I think it's just we need to be careful what we do. And Dana White was saying on Saturday, he was saying that you've been texting him,

that you want the title fight. Tell us what were you saying to Dana. What was the pitch that you were giving to Dana? I was just saying, I think it was my time. You know, I never, I always kind of, I was kind of, I, you know, I'll give him to when they need me. steps to play. You know, every time they need me, I step up to five John Jones. You know, their excuse. I didn't have to give excuse what I had, what kind of injury

to have. But, you know, I always, I was there, you know, and that's something that when some people ask for sides to it. You know, I think it's not time to ask. Now it's time to earn, but I guess, I guess sometimes you have to ask. You know, the Bible said, yes, you won't. That's why they give you. So I'm asking. I did everything, and now I'm asking what I deserve. And I thought what I want is what I do there. And I deserve that. And everybody knows, see my history of it's explored.

You know, I'm the T-Rex around this jungle. And I'm so mature. I'm so strong, mentally, spiritually, and also my skills is being developed so much. I know that that world is just about to be an accomplishment. I ask what I want and what I deserve. How I think is the time. The time arrived purchase. Do you think there's a chance you can convince him?

Do you think, because, you know, you heard what he said. How are you going to try to do that? I think we're going to do that. I think we have to do that. You guys know at the search. If I would ask you, who deserves that title shot more than me? Who did you want? Look what I did to these top two contenders.

I defeat the world champion from South Force. I defeat the first step one contender of the UFC, Michael Biskman. But I'm not just defeated but I defeated in a fashion way, you know. So I think I deserve it. You know, I developed with my work ethic, so what I've been doing, so what I've been doing?

How long? I was the youngest champion ever, you see, 19 years old. I used to, I remember, I thought in the same card of Ben 7 in Mark Cormons. So how big that is, that's why I'm going to do. How big that is if you're having a guy just walking the same car that's been 7 in Mar Coleman.

So, like, I'm around, man. You know, you cannot take the TX and all outside of the jungle. And now is my time, but I know what is mine. How do you think you match up with someone like Chris? Compared to some of your previous opponents, at least this year, Let's say guys like Luke Rockhole, Michael Bisping, do you think he is better than those guys?

Do you think you match up well with him? Well, it's hard to compare fighters, compare, you know, skills. I think all of them are great. They all champions of that. You know, he has to be top title, top champions. And I believe the all champions, they all great, big wrestlers, good skills. You cannot give a chance that you die. They will knock you out.

They'll submit you, I'll put you down, and they're smash you, and they're grinding. So you've got to be alert, 100% prepared, and that's what I'm doing every day in sharpening, you know, my body, my spirit, my soul. And I have guys in my gym that are unbelievable. I have guys like Tyrol Small. You know, I have rush around us. I have all kinds of guys in the gym, they're sharp, you know, Kenny Monday, you know, takes you down and smash you on the ground. You have, I have, like, top guys, you know. I have thought athletes, you know, like,

you have, like, so elite, the heavyweight, the back heavyweight boxer of Cuba. You know, we have, like, the best coaches around. So I have everything I mean, and the black leaders who have, like, tons of guys, you know, they be trained smart. You know, and I believe, you know, iron, sharp, arm, and I'm ready, man, I'm ready.

I'm ready to stand up and take down, and down, you know, I don't even care about weight, man. I come from the old school. So I have that, mentality, caution-based mentality. I'm so strong right now that expect me in my muscle of my body is near my brain.

Have you had a chance to actually talk to Dana since the fight? No, I just texted. You hear him on the trash call. He said he might be even a godman and I never cussed, you know, and it's just dancing. Come on. I want, you know.

It's funny when you know somebody wants something, like I recognize. as a businessman, as a father, when my son wants something, she does everything's possible. I see him doing his part, you know. And as a father, you give him with pleasure. The whole UFC organization,

they will give him that fight with pleasure. Like, they're looking at the eye and you deserve it. Like, it's something that I feel UFSI as a family to me. So like Lorenzo and Dana And everybody that worked in their organization, I see them as part of my family because that's my living. That's where I work for. So I try to do my best for them. So I believe they will feel that way when they give that fight to me.

They look at my eye and they are to be shaking hands. They don't know. They know who am I. They know what I bring to the table. And I think the fans, the media, they must be joined this moment because I don't know. imagine that you're talking about a guy like me from my area. It's like, what more, like people ask me, what motivate you to still be in that condition? And I'm telling you, I'm in the back phase of my life.

I never want that so much. I never put so much effort. I think I used before, I used 80, not 80% of my talent and 30% of the high world. And today is opposite. and you're using 90% of my heart is 20% of my count. The person who wants more is the person who gets it. The person who wants more.

They will. The will. The will is the key. And by the way, Vitor, would you consider maybe sitting on the sidelines? Let them have the rematch if that's what the UFC ultimately wants, and then you fight the winner. I don't think anyone would deny that you deserve to be the quote-unquote number one contender after all that mess gets sorted out. Would you consider that, or you want to fight relatively soon?

I really believe Anderson deserves another chess of the title. I think it would be more interest in the winner with trade candidates. I think that would be more salable. I think that would be more cliché. And I think that would give time that you already have. You know, Anderson asked for three months. And then Anderson asked for rats. You know, he don't want to make any decision before that.

And I would need to respect, you know, for what he did. And I think that just cannot stop. You know, we cannot stop a decision because, you know, someone that we have to wait for the fight or to make a decision after the field of course. I think what makes sense is we and Chris, we fight, you know. We make that fight happen right now. You know, we signed the papers.

They signed a project next week. And then we started, you know, banning the side, playing each other side, you know, and everybody started buying their tickets, buying things. review and let's move it. And when the champion is making him he get to him, he would have

Hitho and Gulf right there could fight him. All right, Vitor, good luck. Good luck getting the fight. I know you're going to try very hard. Hopefully your supporters hear this. We. We. We will try very. Yeah, yeah, we.

About we. Always a pleasure talking to you, and you know what I love so much about this? You didn't even call me TMZ guy once on this on this interview. Wasn't I well-behaved? But, hey, you're so good, but I'm telling you, I don't know a guy like you, man. You study everyone, you know what you think?

You're so, you're so humble. You're helping the sport so much. And like I said, like, we need to get the words much better. And your team's TMD, though, we all over. We all over. You know, we're in Brazil. You should, you should have seen, like, the whole country. This is the number of the number of the second sport in the whole Brazil.

So, because the guys like you, I think you, you bring you. the news, the big entertainers. The fashion stop. Thanks. Come on, Chale. Where are you?

Oh, you want Chale too? Okay, is that what you're saying? Do you want Chale? Chale's doing a great job on the, on Fox, man. We really, really enjoy him,

you know, the way he acts, the way he does, the way he really spend the, the business. He has a great future that he already has,

so. All right, we'll focus, we'll focus. That's fun. We'll focus on, wait. There we go.

Thank you very much. Always a pleasure, Vitor. Good luck getting the fight. Hey, John, Bill. Bye-bye. There he is.

The phenom himself, Vitor Belfort, stopping by, making his case for the shot against Chris Wyman next, not Anderson Silva. We'll see what happens.

Dana White telling Lance Pugmeyer of the L.A. Times that he is considering having Wyden fight Super Bowl weekend, excuse me, having Wyden fight

New Year's Eve show, which I believe is December 28th, and then moving the Ron a Rousey, Misha Tate fight to Super Bowl weekend. Why, we do not know, but that was what he told, that's what he told Lance Pugmire of the LA Times.

That's what he's considering right now. Okay, let's move along. Invicta 6 is this weekend. And trust me, we're going to talk a whole lot more about Anderson and Chris. In the third hour, we've got Ed Soros coming on, Anderson's manager. And of course, we want to hear from you, your questions and comments, hit us up. But the next big show is this weekend. Invicta 6, it's on pay-per-view.

and the main event is a huge fight for women's MMA. It's Marluse Coonin versus Chris Cyborg for the Invicta Featherway title, and Marluse is on the phone right now. Marluse, are you there? Yeah, I mean, hi. So great to talk to you. You've had a very interesting 24 hours, right? You're still in New York?

You don't know, you don't want to know where I'm actually in and I'm charging my phone in a store in New York. Oh, my gosh. What happened? You were supposed to go to Kansas City last night, and what happened? We were on the runway for three hours, ready to take off to Kansas City, but there was something with the weather, and a lot of flights got canceled, and there were hours at the airport at the information desk. So we took a hotel here, I don't know, somewhere nowhere,

and we have another flight at 515 today, so hopefully we'll make it. Is this stressful for you? I mean, you're about to be in a MMA fight in five days, Is this taking you off your game? You should be relaxing, all this stuff? Nah, no, no, no. If it would give me stress, I better shouldn't be a fighter, you know?

And it's the first time I'm in New York, so actually I'm enjoying it. First time ever in New York? Yeah, yeah, for real. I always wanted to do a lot of things in New York, but we didn't have the time, but I did see Times Square. Oh, that's great.

You should have come to us. We're in New York doing the show right now. You should have stopped by. Yeah, well, maybe next time. I'm staying a little longer after my fight. Maybe I will stay a little, a few days in New York. I will drop by then. With the belt, of course.

And, of course, the belt is... Definitely. It's on the line this weekend. You know what's interesting about this fight? Of course, you guys fought each other in Strike Force. And you don't hear a lot of people who say, after fighting Chris Cyborg, I want to fight her again, because usually she's very powerful woman, she's very strong woman. But you always felt that the fight was stopped prematurely.

That's what you said at the time. Do you still believe that? Do you still believe that it was ended quickly? Yeah, yeah, definitely. And that's why I'm fighting her again. And it was in the first round that she was breathing very happily, and I was really surprised by that. I was like, okay, can you breathe that deep in the first round already?

And what she did win, I mean, everybody saw the fight, but I felt I didn't give up. And after that fight, though I lost it, and my hat was like jelly-pudding, I felt like a true fighter because I didn't give up. And then the fight after that, she was fighting, the blonde girl. I don't know her name right now. But there was a female referee,

and she made the fight go on way too long, you know? So there's a difference if a man is judging you or a female judging you. And that was for me again, proof that they did stop it too soon, and Shannon gave me a second chance, and I'm really happy for that. And by the way, that girl was Jan Finney.

That was a fight in Strike Force. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's jet lag. It's jet lag. No, I understand. What was it like, though, when you were actually in the cage with her? Is she, in fact, the strongest opponent you've ever faced? Do you feel like she was on a whole other level from your other opponents? You fought a lot, of course.

Yeah, I believe she's the strongest fighter out there pound for pound. Wow. Yeah, even run around, you mean, Ron is an amazing grappler, but she's nothing like Chris. But, you know, I'm a fighter and I want a challenge. And if I beat Chris, I'm the best in the world, and that's what I want to be. And obviously now, you know, she had that one win against Fiona Muxlow, and you fought her as well. And I was after a very long layoff. And then there are people, you know, after the fact, there always been whispers about Chris.

People after the fact trying to take away her other victories against you, against Gina Krano. Do you feel like she was cheating when she fought you? Yeah, there's a question. A lot of people have asked me that question. And, yes, of course, I have a private opinion on that, and you can guess what it is. But I don't want to judge her. There are enough people out there with the media, we have the fans, and with, of course, the Athletic State Commission. And I believe she has been judged.

And I don't want to be a person who's negative and, you know, kick her again. She has been judged, and that's it, and we'll fight again. But even after you fought her, you don't have to say, did you at least think of that? Did it come into your mind after the fight? Oh, yeah. Yeah, prior to the fight already, but I underestimated her strength. I was like, oh, she looks really strong and all, but I can handle that until I was in the cage. And she actually punched me in the face.

And I was like, oh, okay. I mean, she felt me like a guy of 80 kilos. Wow. And the founder will be like 176. I've never been that hard in my life, ever. And you feel confident that everything's kosher for this fight? Yeah, but it is a big difference because the first time I, At the day of Wayne, I went downstairs for the official weighing school,

and I asked people to strike for us if I could make another attempt because I wanted to know how much I was, and I could have breakfast that day, and I didn't have a strength and conditioning schedule. I was working, and I was training also with it, and this time it's way different. I do have to make weight, and I've done a... You will see the difference when I step into the cage physically.

I'm bigger, I'm stronger, and she's not that, of course, She's still really strong and amazingly strong, but she's in that beast she was when I was fighting her three years ago. But are you not worried at all that she may be taking shortcuts or cheating or anything like that going into this fight? You know, I don't think you should be thinking about it. I've got a fight coming up. I want to be the champion, and I will do everything I can do about it. I don't care what she does.

I do my thing, and I will win. Are you done at 135? Are you 145 for the rest of your? your career? No. I will be fighting at 135 if it gives me a big check. Then we'll diet again and think about it. But it's a lot easier for you to be at 145. Yeah, I think I'm a better at 145. If I look back on the fight, so I didn't strike for it. The first fight was really good, and I felt then I did do a lot of traveling and didn't recover good enough and the dieting then that really, I don't want to take away anything of how good Liz did it. And I

and Misha should beat me, you know, so I don't want to say too much about it, but I wasn't in the best shape of my life fighting those fights. What kind of contract do you have with, Invitia? I'm exclusively signed for the United States. For United States. So when I'm here... And for how many more fights?

I don't know if I can talk about that, actually. Oh. You should ask Shannon. Yeah, I don't know. Before I say something stupid, I'm always like that. So I think you should ask Shannon about it. But I'm just curious, I mean, do you have any interest in ever fighting at least once in the UFC? This is this something that you think about now?

At this moment, I'm only thinking about Chris and about the belt. And the UC's an amazing organization. All the fighters in the world want to fight there. But I'm happy with Invicta. And what I really like about Invicta is the fact that they don't only have one weight loss. They have a few weight loss. And they really, really take the females in MMA seriously. And I really respect that.

And just curious, when you were preparing for this fight, did you watch your first fight with Chris a lot? Are you the kind of fighter who puts a lot of stock if you have a rematch into the first fight and did you notice things that you're going to try to rectify or holes in her game now that you actually had a chance to take a step back and watch? Is that something you did going into this fight?

No, it's not that I'm looking at fight every day, but I know what I did do wrong the last time and we have a good game player, I think. What's the biggest thing that you did wrong in your opinion in the last fight? She outpowered me completely. I think I was back there also more technical than she was, but, I mean, the strength difference and the weight difference was just over another level. Though I'm told her than she was, she was so much stronger than I am, was at that point.

I'm looking forward to it. I can't wait. Do you have a prediction for us? Yeah, I take the belt back to Amsterdam. And in which round, I don't care. I want to fight a fight and I want to win and I want to prove the world that... I know everybody sees me as a underdog, but I like it. It's no problem to me.

You know what I love about this fight? It feels like both of you have a lot to prove. You can rectify what happened in the last fight. She has to prove that she can beat top-level competition now that she's back from her suspension. It seems like the perfect fight for both of you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, there's a lot of...

steak? You say in English? Not on steak? Yeah, at stake. At stake. At stake, yeah, for both of us. And we respect each other, you know? We don't have to as we say in Dutch, throw with mud to each other and hate each other. We respect each other, but once

we're in the cage, it will be a war. You think you'll finish her? Yeah, I would say I want to win on a K-O, and I always win on a stupid arm bar, so I'm not going to say anything this time. A stupid arm bar. That's such a, that's such a weak way to end the fight, an arm bar. Wow. Yeah, but I'm from the Netherlands, you know,

and Roman Decker is my Uber hero. It's a legendary tiebox who passed away this year. And the way he was tieboxing, I would never achieve that level of tieboxing, but I want to, I'm aiming for it. Well, if you pull that off, that would be great. I mean, coming off, did you see what happened on Saturday with Anderson Silva? Yeah, I only saw the highlight of it how he knocked out, but I will keep my defense high.

But that's an underdog going in and beating a guy who a lot of people thought was unbeatable. Very much like your situation. Underdog going in, people think she's... That must give you motivation, right? Yeah, yeah. That's exactly what my trainer told me too. Like, hey, Mouliu, she really got to see this fight. Yeah, perfect timing for you.

And I really respect the guy that he wanted that way. I mean, there's a lot of stress on you if you have to fight a champion, and he did an amazing job, so respect for that. Marluse, best of luck to you. Can't wait to see the fight. It's Invictive 6. It's this weekend. It's on pay-per-view, but you could also get it online as well.

The main event is Marluse Cooninin versus Chris Cyborg number two for the Invicta Featherway title. I know it's been a very, very hectic day for you, and I appreciate you doing this in a phone store somewhere plugging in your phone about to go on a plane. It means a lot to us. Thank you so much and best of luck in Kansas City. Thank you. It was nice talking to you, Ariel. Okay. All the best, and we'll talk to you soon.

Okay, do-doe. I don't know what that means, but yes. What was that? Was that goodbye in Dutch? It sounded cool. So there she is. Marluse Kunin, and she is in the main event this weekend fighting for the Invicta FC Featherway Belt. Now, also on that card is a very interesting fight, and a fighter who has been gaining a lot of attention,

a lot of buzz, especially after her last win, a flying arm bar in 12 seconds right now, probably the submission of the year. I'd have to say it, the halfway mark. I mean, it was an unbelievable thing. I'm sure if you watch the show, you've seen it. She is Rose Namajunis, and she is Doug Rose, and she's there right on the screen. Rose, are you there? I am here.

Now, did I pronounce your last name correctly? It's Namayunis. Namayunis. You don't pronounce the J. No, it's silent. I apologize. I always like to get the last names right now. I'm a little embarrassed.

I'm sorry. Oh, no, that's okay. Thank you for coming by. Of course, people who watch the show know that you've made appearances on the show in the past, but now you're front and center. Now you're the star. The spotlight's on you. Yeah, but, you know, maybe Pat might try and steal the spotlight still.

Oh, typical, yes. Oh, there he is. Pat, we're not interested in you right now. Yeah. We want to talk to us. By the way, a late happy birthday to you. Did you get the coloring books? that I sent.

Yes, thank you very much. Just got them right now. Oh, that's great. Okay, so you got this fight. You're fighting T.C.A. Torres. By the way, is there some bad blood there between you two? I heard some rumblings that you guys aren't the best of friends. Is that accurate?

No, that's not true. Like, I don't really have... I mean, I met her before, and she seemed pretty cool, but, like, I don't really know her. So, yeah, it's just kind of nothing, like, in between us, really. It's no, we're not friends, but we're not enemies either. So it's just really all about business. Your last fight, like I said, arguably the submission of the year. And, you know, thus far in Vita and in your pro-MMA career,

although it's been very short, you've had very exciting performances. Are you starting to feel that pressure that now you have to kind of top yourself? Every time out there, people are expecting you to do something amazing. Yeah, the pressure is always going to be there. It's always going to be the next biggest fight each time. So that's nothing new, but it actually going out there and doing so, like, performing spectacularly gives me the confidence that even though beforehand I'm nervous and I, you know, I feel like, oh, man, I got to perform. I know that, you know, that there's evidence that each time I pulled through no matter what and I still, you know, do a good performance regardless of how I feel beforehand.

How often do people talk to you about the flying arm bar? Do you get a lot of questions about that? Yeah, they asked me like what was going through my head, you know, like what was I feeling like during the moment. And, you know, it's just absolute euphoria. It's absolute like just, you know, almost disbelief. And really what happened is just kind of like a dreamlike sort of thing that happened. Your celebration was amazing. I don't even think you knew what to do with your body. You were just, it was like an out-of-body experience. Yeah, I was passing out But it's actually kind of funny because What's cool about my celebration is that The same thing happened to Pat

After Shane Dale Rosario When he kind of bumped into the ref Because the ref was trying to grab his hand And he kind of like yanked his hand away Because he didn't know who was grabbing him The same thing happened to me Like I was just like, you know, parading around in the ring And then all of a sudden the ref was just like bumping on my shoulder

Like I accidentally bumped into him And I was like kind of like You know looked at him crazy because I was in the heat at a moment So it's funny that our celebrations are so similar. Did you do the fish? Did you do like the dead fish thing on the ground? If memory serves you correctly, I think I saw that. The plan was to like just do this all the way around the ring.

But then I was like, that's dumb. What the fuck am I doing? For someone that doesn't know, I mean, it happened so quickly. It'll probably take you longer to even explain it. But how does one pull off a flying arm bar? Can you even put it into words? Well, you know, you really do train. You really do fight like you train.

And I definitely was pulling out. off in practice. It's a move that I've, you know, experimented with about a couple years ago. And then, you know, I did it in a grappling tournament once. I didn't pull it off, but I still, you know, got the girl to the ground. And, um, and, uh, what's going on? Is someone blowing their nose there or what? Yes. I know. I'm closing the door. I'm sorry. Geez, Pat. Pat just got a, uh, like, nose operation or something. So, like, a breeze. But, um, so he's blowing his nose a lot. But, uh,

Yeah, so I practiced it in training. I pulled it off and sparring, you know, closer to the fight, and I knew that my opponent had a tendency to grab the neck. That's the one thing that I kind of observed in her fight videos. So I kind of was thinking, like, that might be one thing that I might be able to capitalize on, and I sure as hell did. It was unbelievable, and like I said, I think it's one of, if not the best submission of the year. You know, obviously when people see you, and I joked about this,

how young you look. Now you're a little older, you just had your birthday, but you get that kind of response when you tell people, oh, I'm an MMA fighter. Do people think you're joking? Oh, yeah, all the time. Yeah, they think, like, what the hell are you? You so pretty?

Like, why are you doing this? Or, like, it's not even that I'm like a fighter, but they don't even think that I would do sports or anything. Like, because I don't know, I don't have that much muscle. Like, I'm just, you know, I'm lean, but I don't look like I could beat somebody up. And I kind of like it, you know, I'm kind of like a, you know,

stealth ninja just walking around, like the people have no idea what I can do. So why do you do this? Why did you get into it? Just because I've been doing martial arts since I was little. And my grandfather was a champion wrestler in Lithuania, you know, back in the day. And so, and then my other, my mom's cousin was a professional basketball player. So sports just kind of played a role in my family. And then ever since I was little, I was doing it. all kinds of sports as well and all types of martial arts and then one thing led to another and i

kind of just got into kickboxing uh over back in milwaukee at dukes and then you know and then m ms was just the next step for me why are you're no longer with duke right yeah why um i don't know just just because like not not one person knows everything you know travel is knowledge and um it was i don't know i was just uh wanted to go to actually i wanted to come here to minnesota for school at the time and I just wasn't really sure what I was doing and then for Pat he there was just no heavy weights for him to train with so we made the move here with uh he went to death clutch and then i went to with uh Greg Nelson over here in Minnesota and then obviously death clutch fell through so now we kind of like split our training camp between here and then Denver Colorado with Trevor Whitman so

um I don't know it's just the life of the fighter you know you travel around a lot and that's just what happens kind of I would have paid good money to see you train with the death clutch guys. You in there with Brock Lesnar, all those big guys. Did you ever even go in that, Jim? Yeah, yeah, I did. I was the only girl, except for one time Brock's wife came in. She was pretty cool.

Did they accept you? Because they didn't seem like the most welcoming bunch over there. Did they give you the cold shoulder or were they cool to you? They were pretty cool. I mean, I don't know. They couldn't hate me more than they hate Pat, so. Oh, really? They didn't like Pat? Oh, okay. I thought you were going to give us a good nugget there.

What's that? I wanted to hear some conflict between Pat, because Pat's such a happy, it was such a weird kind of union. Pat's such a happy-go-lucky guy. Those guys are like mean, rough and tough guys. So it was always such a funny partnership. It's actually kind of funny because the first day that he got there, you know, they were, like, you ever heard of a chigger before? It's like a little, I don't know, it's like a tick or something like that. Okay. And so a guy, you know, was talking about chiggers. in the gym and he walked in and he was like wait what did you say and then he's like chigger he's like what's the chigger he's like oh it's like a bug and he's you know it's like a misunderstanding and then they still they didn't know that he was black so yeah have blacks oh wow and right off the

bat that that must have been very interesting over there now what did your family say when you told them that this is something that you actually want to do for a living a pro mMA fighter what did they what did they say to you uh they knew it was coming i mean i ever since i was little you know i you know i you I was pretty rough and tough child. Like I was always, you know, outside, you know, fighting people and stuff. You know, just like play fighting or whatever and coming home with black eyes and scratches on my face. And so it's just something that my mom is kind of used to. And she, I don't know, they just kind of assumed that it was going to happen, you know.

Are they supportive? Like, will they go to your fights? Yeah, they're actually coming to this one. Wow. They came, the last one they came to was my last amateur fight. So this would be the first one in a while that they came. And do you like having them there or does it make you more nervous? Yeah, it kind of does make me a little bit more nervous.

Like it puts a little bit more pressure on it. But just like a tiny smidgen, like not that much. I mean, I never really, growing up, I was doing so many activities. And like I never really had much of a, like, my families never went to any of my sporting events or any of my like things except for maybe like, you know, every once in a while. Because we're just such a, you know, a busy bunch. So it's kind of something that I'm used to to not really have. anybody there and that's fine. But, you know, it's actually kind of nice, you know, because afterwards you can, you know,

I don't have to wait, you know, a few days to see, to talk to my mom and see her. Do you think had you not met Pat, you never would have become an M.MA fighter or were you going to become one regardless? I was going to become one regardless. But meeting him, I did, you know, gain a sense of, like, I don't know, belief that it could actually be something more than a hobby. I mean, I was already doing it, like kickboxing and just, you know, jiu-jitsu, I was doing longer than I was doing, started when I was kickboxing. But seeing him and then other, you know, big stars at the gym that were in the UFC or about to be in the UFC, it kind of gave me a sense of like, okay, well, this can be more than something than just a hobby, you know, this could be something that, you know, I can be something that, possibly, and, you know, be doing something that I really love.

Initially, did you even know who he was? No, no I didn't actually It was kind of funny But I knew he was something special I don't know what about it was It might sound kind of cliche or like You know, I don't know Like cute or whatever

But he definitely has that kind of Sense of presence that he brings to the table And I just knew that he was somebody special Correct me from wrong I heard initially he was trying to make moves And you wanted none of it you were ignoring him Well yeah because I kind of just didn't talk to anybody in the gym.

I was really business-like and I would be in and out the gym. I wouldn't talk to anybody, not make any friends. You know, just because I have better things to do. I had, you know, a lot of stuff on my table. And, you know, I was busy from, you know, 7 a.m. to 11 at night. And there's no real time for, you know, relationships. But I don't know. He just, he was just that good.

He stole your heart. Yeah. What's it like for you? you know, he just fought just a couple of weeks back in Winnipeg, unfortunately didn't go his way. What's it like for you? Someone who knows, you know, oftentimes there's a fighter and he has a wife or a girlfriend. They're not

fighters, so they don't know exactly what it's like with the weight cutting. I mean, although with him, it's a little different as a heavyweight, but just everything he goes through as a fighter and the wins, the losses, the ups, the downs, the roller coaster. You being there, you knowing what it's all about, you having that experience, what's it like your

journey together? Do you feel like you're able to help him more? Do you try to give him space? because you know what it's like, you know, the day of a fight, the day after a fight where someone doesn't want to be bothered. How are you different than the other girlfriends or the other wives? Yeah, well, it's just all about we speak the same language, you know. And like, unless if you actually do this, there's no way that you can really 100% comprehend everything that the fighter is going through.

Even myself, being a fighter, I still don't know how, I still don't know exactly how he's feeling. And I think that's the fact that I know that I know that I, don't know, you know, a type of thing. It actually helps out because, you know, I can just be there for them and I can, you know, express myself in the best way possible because we speak the same language. We speak the fight language. We speak the, you know, like before and after and during, like the feelings that we're going through. And this time, this past fight, this was the first time that I was with him during the fight week. And it was actually like kind of a lot more comforting

for myself and him. Like everybody was telling me, like, this was telling me, like, this was the first night. He's never been this calm before, like, you know, before the fight and whatnot. And just because all the other times I haven't been there for whatever reason, I, you know, I have a sense of, like, I don't have any control, and I don't know what's happening, and I don't know how he's feeling and I can't talk to him as much. But this time, you know, I was there and I was kind of be able to, like, calm him down more than anything. And I think that every fighter is different, you know, every fighter needs a different type of, you know, energy. and, you know, he's kind of more, I feel like he kind of likes to lighten things up and make jokes and, you know what I'm saying, keep it light. His reaction after your first one in Invicta blew up online, it was a viral video hit. Do you even hear him when he's talking to you? There's certain things that come through, but most of it, it's really, it's a strange feeling.

Just because when you're in the ring, it's such a, like, a dreamlike state, you know, your adrenaline is so high that some things actually you don't even remember that happened. until you watch it later or you hear it later or somebody tells you something. And there's a lot of things that do come through just because he's so loud. And I know his voice really well, but a lot of times when I watch it over again, it's like, oh, shit, that happened to? Like, you're jumping on top of the cage and whatnot. By the way, you have one of the better nicknames in MMA. Why do they call you Thug Rose?

And it fits perfectly with your – I think it's still your Twitter icon of you with the Corn Rose kind of sitting back chilling. Like you look like someone that you don't want to mess with. It fits the nickname quite well. Why do they call you that? Yeah, it's like just a, you know, aspect of my personality. I have different, you know, obviously personality traits. And one of them is the gross, you know, I just don't give a, you know what I'm saying?

Like I really don't hold my tongue. I don't, you know, take it easy. I don't take it easy on anybody regardless of who you are. And I have to be that way because, I mean, look at me, like, you know, I'm not, you know, not no heavy weight or nothing, I get bullied around. So, you know, ever since I was little. So that kind of, you know, put a chip on my shoulder. And ever since I was young and just everybody pushing me around.

So now the payback is here. Who initially called you that? Who gave you that name? It's a neighborhood friend of mine. You know, we has, she was a, is a Jamaican family that live next door to us. Because, you know, we were all hanging out and we would do bad stuff all the time. And, you know, I was the only white girl that was walking around, like, tougher than everybody. Like, just, you know, I'm saying?

Like, had an attitude all the time. And, you know, just did silly things. So she just called me thug girls one day. It's like, there's thud girls right there. Yeah. It's just tough for instance. Have you dropped some of that attitude? Do you think now being a fighter has made you a little less, you know, tense as far as the outside world?

Because sometimes people say that. Becoming a fighter kind of changes the way you are in your everyday life. No, no, because I didn't become a fighter. I am a fighter. I've been a fighter since little, so it's nothing changed. I'm the same person that I've been. You're relatively young, and you're fighting, this fight, it's at 115, right? Yeah.

Do you think that as you get older, as your career progresses, that you may go up to 125 and maybe, you know, above that, or do you think you'll stick around at 115? I guess when the time comes, you know, my body is still developing, and I'm more than open to that opportunity. Even going down away, it doesn't matter. And I fought up weight classes before where I didn't gain any weight. I was just fighting somebody heavier. So it's all, you know, like I'm, I guess maybe 10 years down the row with somebody big or a bigger name or something like that of super fights. But I don't know. We'll see.

That's definitely, you know, way in the future. But right now the 115 division is stacked and, you know, that's where I want to be. So you win this fight. That would be three in a row in Invicta. Then I guess maybe some title talk or do you don't want that? Or do you feel like that's too soon for you? You know, a fight is a fight really. Whoever they want to put me up against, obviously a title fight is, you know,

is definitely in my future goals. And, you know, I would be more than willing to accept the challenge. Now there does, finances do kind of play a part in it. So, you know, you don't want to, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm going to be honest here and talk to the business side of it. And some people take that title fight really early, and then they're not making that much money because, but they're taking a way harder fight for a literal amount of money as opposed to somebody that kind of racked up the wins and then got there, took a little bit longer to get there.

So, I mean, it's just, you know, whatever my manager and whatever Invicta wants me to do, I'm more than willing to do. It's just I can't make those decisions myself. Right. A lot of people don't bring that up. I mean, even Chris Wyman himself said, oh, I'll worry about the new contract afterwards. saying you want to get paid before you fight for the belt? I guess not really what I'm saying so, you know, not exactly what I'm saying, but at the same

time, you know, that is a thought that I have to consider. But, I mean, that's a decision that my manager is making, whatever they feel, you know what I'm saying, is in my best interest? And are you happy with Invicta? I mean, is Invicta the kind of plays, can Invicta, in your opinion, be the UFC for women's MMA? Can you have a full Korean Invicta, make a good living? let that be your full-time job, all that stuff,

or do you feel like they're not quite there yet? Oh, Invicta is great. I mean, they treat us, like, phenomenally well. I mean, a lot of us are getting treatment that, you know, I don't know if I want to say, like, UFC, like, pay or anything like that. Sure. I don't know what everybody else is getting paid,

but I, if it wasn't for Pat, like, I'm going to be honest with y'all and say that, like, if it wasn't for Pat, I wouldn't be able to do this full-time. You know, I am in a unique and lucky situation, to where I can just focus all on my training. And that wasn't the case before him. I was, you know, doing a whole bunch of stuff just to, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Support myself or whatever. But, yeah, so I don't know what I'm trying to say. But, yeah, Invicta's just, you know, all around great, and they treat us really well. And I'm really, you know, appreciative of all that. Speaking of which, how is Pat doing? I mean, I know he was poked in the eye. You mentioned the nose surgery.

just curious, is he doing better? Is he feeling better physically after the fight? Yeah, he takes, you know, whatever the outcome is. He takes it very well. I mean, he's obviously really irritated by that. You know, he didn't want us to go that way. I mean, he was ready to keep going. It's just, like, once the ref came there,

because he was trying to find his eyelid, you know what I'm saying? And then the ref took that as he was hurt, and, you know, he definitely wants to keep going after that. But, you know, that's just the way that it goes sometimes, You got to keep in mind that the ref is seeing something different than what you're feeling sometimes. So you've got to be able to play that, you know what I'm saying, play that poker face or whatever it is. And so he's, but he's ready to get back in there. He wants to avenge that loss.

I mean, it's definitely eating him up, but in a good way to where, you know, it's going to motivate him and really push him to kill the next guy. I mean, Sean Jordan got some other heavyweight killed right now. That's a good way of putting it. All right, so tell us how are you going to do your business on Saturday. Is it going to be something spectacular? Like, in Arm bar, do you have something in mind for us? Can you give us a prediction of sorts? Oh, yeah.

I'm going to do a flying flash kick. I'm just playing. Oh, okay. But, no, it's always going to be something spectacular. That's the plan. I mean, not just for, like, you know, show purposes. Like, obviously, I want to put on a good show for the fans, but that's kind of a byproduct of what, you know,

I'm going to do. My goal is to get in there. And, you know what I'm saying? I love to strike. You know, that's the fun thing to do. But, you know, this isn't no game. This is a fight. And so whatever you need to do to win, that's what I'm going to do.

And, you know, I'm just going to do my thing. And regardless of what happens, I'm going to come out on top. I'm looking forward to it. You're one of the rising stars of our sport. Your last fight was spectacular. Your first fighting Invicto was spectacular. Very much looking forward to this. Happy you guys are on pay-per-view, getting some of that shine as.

Well, best of luck to you, Rose. Rose Namayunis. I got it? Yeah, that's correct. Or just Thug Rose, which fits very well. Good luck to you in Kansas City. I appreciate you stopping by. I know you drove through the night last night.

That was a long drive from Las Vegas. Geez, how long was that? Yeah, that was like 14 hours or something. And it was like really rainy too. Oh, wow. Well, I appreciate you doing this very much. Good luck to you and great to talk to you. All right.

Thank you very much. There she is. Thug Rose in the house. Rose Namayunis, she fights. this weekend Invicta FC6 against Tisiotores, a great fight. It's a stack pay-per-view fight, and the main event is, as we mentioned, prior to having Rose on Marluse Kunin versus Chris Seiburg for the Invicta Featherway title, and Chris Seiburg is on the phone right now. Chris, how are you?

Good, thank you. Good to have you on the show, Chris. We appreciate you stopping by for a couple minutes. So you fought Marluse several years back in Strike Force. Is this a fight that interested? you, I mean, you beat her. It was rather convincingly. Did you want to have this fight again? Did you want to fight her again? Yeah, I never choose my opponent. I think every single person

convicted of give for me, I will fight because always I'll be ready for fight. I don't care who I'll fight. She said, she was just on our show a few minutes ago, and she said that she thinks, still today, that the first fight was ended prematurely, that it could have gone longer. What do you think? No, I think he has three stopping the fight good. I don't know. But no problem.

We fight next week you'll see if he stopped early or not. Did you watch the fight a lot as you were preparing for this fight? I train all the time. I'll be ready for fighting. And I went 45 days before I see the opponent and get a plan. But hours I make training. So you don't watch the previous fights? You didn't watch it and dissecting.

and study it because you did fighters, so that could be good knowledge for you? You can have pictures again? Did you spend some time studying your first fight against her in Strike Force to help you prepare for this fight? Yeah, I always, I'd be ready for any situation or for ground for the stand-up, but everybody knows that I like it, try aggressive and try knockout. But, yeah, always I study, you know, but I try to my game and fight. Are you surprised she wants to fight you again because often when people fight you, they don't want to fight you again because of how powerful you are?

No, I think I respected her, but now, because after my last fight with her, she's still going to fight me again before she's tired. And I respected her, I think she's a good fighter. She's a true fighter. We saw you return to action in April, and it was a relatively quick fight by your standards, three minutes and 46 seconds in the first round, you defeated Fiona Muxlow. Were you happy with that performance,

especially since you hadn't fought for so long? No, I'm happy. I train hard. I waited for five rounds, and it's happened to finishing first round, but I was like, I want to do a great fight, but when I won,

I'm very excited and happy. Did you feel, often we hear people talk about cage rust, ring rust. Did you feel that when you were in there because you hadn't fought in a year and a half? half. No, hours are happening with me because before I train and fighting strike force, I one year and I'm fighting, and before in late, I take two years of finding because I don't find the opponent.

But I still try, train every day, try motivation for keep training, you know. No change for me because I competition jitza, I competition wrestling, I still train. No change. I fight everything inside the gym. You were just at the fan expo in Las Vegas, right? Yes. What do the fans say to you? Because still people are talking about you and Rhonda, and they want to see you in the UFC.

Do a lot of fans come up to you and say, we want to see you fight Ronda Rousey? Yes, a lot of people say that. But I don't know. I think maybe after, now I'm happy in Victor, I have two fights more. And after this fight, maybe we can see what's happening, you know. So have you changed your stance on going down to 135? No, I still want to make this fight 140. Would you do it at 140?

I still 145. If you don't want to make you this fight, I make 140 for making this fight. Has anyone told you how much money you can make if you fought Ronda Rousey, and does that make you want to do it even more? I don't care about money. I don't care if I heard, you know, I don't care about bail. I don't care about murder, see. I care.

You make one fight, I fight her. No problem. No problem. Now, in Invicta, you said you have two more fights, right? Yes. Not including this one. So three total, two after Saturday. No, this one and more, two.

Oh, wow. Okay. This one and one more. So it's not that far away. Do you think that the UFC will come to you, or do you think at this point they're not going to come to you? I don't know. I'm very happy, InVicta, you know?

I'm happy. I'm happy, but for sure I want to fight Ronda, but I'm a happy in Victor. Maybe champion in Vita and the champion UFC. All right, yeah, that would certainly be interesting. Do you think Ronda is going to beat Misha Tate? Do you think Misha has a chance to beat her? I think if Ronda should have only Ombar, and I think she, Misha, she's defensive on-bar.

I think she has a good percent for a win to fight. You think Misha can beat Ronda Rousey? She's good Jiu-Jitsu, and she's good Jiu-Jitsu, and I think better stand up to her. I don't know. Everybody knows what Ronda do, you know, maybe need to work for the fan. When you watch her fight now, like her fight in February, do you see anything different out of Ronda? Do you think she's evolving?

No, I don't. I see she's the same thing. But she's trying better, I think. Right. Do you want to even fight her? Do you care at this point, or you're okay with just being in Victa and fighting who they give you? I'm happy in Invicta.

You're happy and Invicta. That says it all. And you've also been training with Jason Perillo. You've been doing more training, obviously, in Southern California. Do you like it there? Are you happy with who's around you, of course, Tito Ortiz as well? Yeah, no, I train with a lot of guys in Huntington Beach and you train San Diego, too, and I'm very happy. I said to Marluse that I think that this is the perfect fight because both of you have a lot at stake. I mean, you can beat a...

a top level, respected opponent, she can avenge her fight. And I think for you, coming off the layoff, I mean, Fiona Muxel wasn't the highest-ranked opponent, beating someone like Marluse would really shut up all your critics. Do you view the fight the same way?

Yes. So you like this fight. It makes sense to you. Yeah, no, I think good. You know, no, I can't, I know, I lost fight, you know, that doesn't matter who I'll fight. I want to fight.

And when I did contract with Invicta, I told they want to fight in three months for four and four months, but I want to fight. How many more years do you want to fight for? What? How many more years do you want to fight for? I don't know, whatever. You don't think of that kind of stuff.

No, I don't think of that stuff, no. I'm ready for fighting long, long years, more and more years. How will you beat Marluse? I'm ready. I'm ready now six years, seven years. I'm fine. For seven more years? No.

I did it. Oh, yes, of course. Right. And final thing, how will you beat Marluse? I try my the best. I win your lose, it's consequent. But I try me the best. I'll be aggressive and I try knockout. Okay. We look forward to it. Thank you very much. Chris and good luck to you. Thank you. Welcome. There she is. Chris Cyborg stopping by. Fighting in the main event on Saturday night against Marluse Kunin, it is a rematch of a fight that they had way back when in 2010 in Strike Force, what?

three and change years ago. I have a hard time doing the math from 13 to 10. I remember that card. Sunrise, Florida. I was there. Strike Force Miami. Herschel Walker made his strike force debut. Nick Diaz versus Mary Soromsky's.

That was the site of our infamous Nick Diaz interview outside the hotel, if you remember, talking about judging and whatnot. Bobby Lashley, West Sims. Remember they put that fight together at the last minute. And then the great Robbie Loller versus Melvin Matt. Manhuff fight. Remember that? Those leg kicks. Robbie Lawler's leg flying in the air like that. And then he knocked out Malvin Manhoff. And then, of course, we had Jay Haran versus Joe Riggs, which was very controversial because it wasn't on the main card and they put on the undercard.

Yaddi, yada, yada. Bottom line, Marluse Kuhn and Chris Cyborg going down number two this weekend on pay-per-view Invicta FC6. Should be a great card. They always stacked the deck those guys. or gals, I should say. All right, last guest of the day, and very interested to talk to this man. Of course, we've been talking all show long, and we still have a lot more to talk about it when we get to your questions and comments a little later on,

but really wanted to have him on the show. He is, of course, the manager of one Anderson Silva and the president of Resurrection, Fighting Alliance. You've heard him on the show many times before. Ed Saur is kind enough to stop by. Ed, how are you? I'm good. How are you doing?

I'm doing well. So what is Monday morning like with Anderson Silva not the champion? It still feels very surreal to me. What's it like for you? Hey, man. It's the business we're in, you know. Yeah, it's a little bit surreal to think that. But, you know, it's a fight game, man.

I've said it many times, man. You move left when you should have moved right and your night can end. And unfortunately, Anderson has a tendency to, you know, walk on that, you know, on that tight rope of, you know, taking risks. And part of the reason people like to watch him fight is because he takes those types of risks. And unfortunately, Saturday night, it didn't go his way. Do you think Anderson lost the fight for himself

as opposed to Chris beating him because of, as you mentioned, walking on that tight rope and taking those risks? that... Let me see. You know, the thing I don't like to comment on things like that, because I don't want to take anything away from Chris Wydenman. You know, I mean, at the end of the day,

Chris Wyden went out there and he won the fight. So, I mean, let people think what they want to think. You know, I kind of think that those opinions should... I'd like to keep to myself. I mean, I think Chris Wyden went out there. He took advantage of an opportunity, and he won the fight. Let me ask you, what did you think while you were watching it? Did you think that, uh-oh, you know, because when I was watching it, to be honest,

I thought Chris is in trouble because now this is a young guy. I thought Chris was in trouble. I thought Chris was in trouble. And, yeah, I did. I thought Chris was in trouble. I thought Anderson was going to knock him out. I thought Anderson was doing that, but it didn't work out that way. You know, once again, Chris, Chris Weidman overcame adversity, like he has done quite often in this past 12 months.

And, you know, as upset as I am to see Anderson Silva lose and lose him that way and lose his title. On the other hand, you know, I'm happy when you lost, if you lost it, I'm happy, I'm happy, I'm happy for Chris. He's a good guy, really good guy, very respectful, and he'll be a good champion. And, you know, obviously we've seen Anderson do this before. That's what's so interesting. People are saying, you know, they're trying to use the way he acted in the fight as a reason to take something away from Chris. We've seen him do this before, but if you look at when he's done it, it's often been against opponents who maybe afterwards he thought weren't good enough to fight him. you know, guys like Bonner or Maya, Taislates, et cetera,

did he feel that way about Chris? Do you think he didn't give Chris enough respect? I don't know. I don't know. I think Anderson respects his opponents, but, you know, I think, you know, you went out there and he was taunting him and doing the sorts of things that Anderson does once in a while, but there's a possibility that he may have taken him too far this time,

and unfortunately he wasn't able to walk away with the W. Anderson was very relaxed all week long. It was amazing to watch. And even in some interviews, it's gone more attention now after the fight. When Showdown Joe asked him, you know, what's your perfect scenario for this fight? He said, Chris Wyman, new champion, and I'm okay with that and all that stuff. Was he just joking? And now, you know, it came to light, of course, the fight could go 50-50.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's... kind of word. I mean, I just know an Anderson, so there's no way you went in there like, you know, people, all these conspiracy things. Yeah, it's, you've heard this stuff, right? Yeah, I've heard it. It's stupid. It's nonsense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I plan to get knocked out. Come on.

Who plan to get knocked out like that? You know what I mean? If he was planning to do that, why wouldn't he have just tapped when he got caught in the leg lock and fought out of it? Right. Come on. I mean, It's stupid. No, I'm going to plan to get knocked out.

I mean, that's ridiculous. Anderson doesn't like to lose. He just got caught. That's what I think. And take nothing away from Chris Levin. Oh, it was a lucky shot. Well, you know what, man? 100% of the shots, 100% of the punches you don't throw it on land.

So he threw a punch and it landed. Correct me from wrong here. I don't speak Portuguese, but someone told me in the Brazilian media you said to him before the fight, please fight seriously. Is that accurate? I, I, well, you mean like right before he walked in the room?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I always tell him that. I said, please go in there and just take care of what you got to do and get out of here quick. And then he gives me a kiss and says, don't worry, I'll be fine. So this is something you worry about? Well, no, it's not that I worry,

but I just always say go in. there and take care of what you got to do and get out, man. There's no need to be in there any longer than you have to be. What did you make of his comments? And I'll ask you about the rematch stuff in a second, but just it seemed to me like he was almost relieved. Like, you know, he's saying he doesn't want to fight for the belt anymore and all that stuff.

It almost felt like a weight was lifted off his shoulder. He was handling it so well. He was so humble and defeat, gracious, and just seemed like he was, you know, you would never have known that he would just got knocked out. What did you make of that? Yeah, it was odd. It was odd, you know. I haven't really got to...

He's handling it well. He's handling it like a champ, you know? Did you get the impression that the belt and all the attention that comes with it was a burden for him? You know, maybe it's been so long, he's had it for so long that he's forgot what it's like not to have it. And now he'll be able to sit back and see what it's... Maybe it'll remember what it's like not to have the title. So he says he doesn't want to fight for the belt, he doesn't want to rematch. Do you think that's...

What do you think's going to happen? You know, what's going to happen is what he wants. So we're going to have to sit back, let the best settle. But, I mean, what other fight makes sense other than the rematch? You know what I mean? It would be one of the biggest fights in UFC history. Of course it will. Yeah, like I said, we'll take it right now, man,

that's the last thing on our mind is that. What I want to see from Anderson is I want to see him, sit with his family, hang out with the people that unconditionally care about him, whether he's a champ, not champ, winning, losing, getting knocked out, or knocking people out. You just need to be around the people that unconditionally care about him and get his thoughts together, let the dust settle, and figure out what the next step is. Do you think the Anderson Silva bandwagon is going to get a lot lighter now, and he'll start to realize who, you know, his true friends,

are, true confidants are. Do you expect that to happen? You know what? We'll see. We'll see. You know, I think, you know, like I said, I'd like to see the best out of it and see where the bandwagon people are. I mean, I'm sure they'll still be people on the bandwagon. You've heard what Dana White said. He thinks 1,000 percent the rematch is going to happen. well then I mean he's the boss

I almost wish honestly I almost wish he signed that 10 fight deal after this fight because I feel like he could get a ton more for the rematch yeah

he's doing okay and have you talked to him when's the last time you spoke to him I spoke with him yesterday I was still in Vegas he just had gotten home and then when I got home my wife fixed me

over at the airport and and I guess my wife told me that my wife and my youngest daughter went to his house to give him some brownies because he lives a few blocks away and and my daughter said hey dad anishon told you told me to tell you to call him when he got home so I called him last night but his phone was off so um I haven't spoken with I spoke with him yesterday briefly um when he was leaving Vegas, and then I hadn't spoken with him after. What was he like yesterday, like the day after? How was he dealing with it? He seemed to be fine.

You know, he was fine. Some of his tweets, you know, he was thanking his family, and some of the stuff was in Portuguese, but all things considered, he seems to be in a pretty good place, right? He seems to be. Yeah, he seems to be okay with it. You know, I think he realized he made some mistakes, and, um, and, um, and, you know, You know, it is what it is. I mean, I mean, it's at this point it's like crying over spilled milk.

And now I just want to make sure he's okay. Nobody got hurt. Chris Wydenman won. Congratulations to Chris Wydenman. And, you know, let's see what happens. Hopefully in the, you know, over the next few months, we'll figure out what's going to be next. Honestly, did you ever foresee this happening in the back of your mind? Was there an inkling?

Was there anything that told you this could happen or is it complete shocking to you? Of course, what this happening is always in the back of my mind, you know what I'm saying? But I honestly never wanted to see it. You know, I really wanted to see Anderson Silva retire from the U.S.C. being undefeated in the U.S.C. But it didn't happen. And so, no worries. On to the next. And speaking of the next, is there any chance this Roy Jones thing's happened?

I mean, he was at the fight. He's campaigning for it. He said Anderson was too focused on him. Is there any chance this actually happens, maybe even next? I don't know. I think there's a chance for it to happen. But, you know, like I said, it's too early to determine what's up next. You know, can that happen in the future?

Yes, I believe that can happen in the future. Is it going to happen next? I don't know. Do you want to see it happen? Do you care to see that? I'd like to see it happen. I mean, I want to see, if it's something that Anderson wants that bad, I'd like to see it happen just because that's part of my,

that's part of one of the things that's so fulfilling about what I do is being able to help guys, you know, complete their goals. And if that's a goal of Anderson, nothing is going to make me happy than to help them try to attain that. Is it possible that it would be outside of the UFC or that's impossible? You know what? We haven't worked out the details I mean you talked about the details

honestly But if it needs You know It'll be worked out one way or another If it happens You know But right now I don't know what's going to happen

All I know is I just want to see Anderson Relax Look at the best settle And you know Put a game plan together And move forward Okay

And it's not the end of the world It's not the end of the world The sun came up today Yeah of course Yeah, the sun came up today, man. It's a beautiful day to day. We're healthy. Our kids are good.

Our family's good. He's healthy. His kids are healthy. Everything else, man, he just roll with the punches. That's what's important. Two last things, Ed, and we appreciate it very much.

Can you tell us in your gut what do you think will happen next? I mean, can you give us a little hint? Do you think it will be the rematch? What do you think? I'd rather not say what I think. Oh, why? That's why we have you on. I mean, I think it's a fight that makes sense.

Yeah, I think the rematch. But like I said, it's not up to me. It's what Anderson wants to do, you know what I'm saying? But right now I just want to, you know, just want to see him relax and just, you know, just relaxing. Get his mind together, that's all. That's what's important right now. Whatever's meant to be will happen. And Dana White told the L.A. Times that he's thinking about doing it New Year's

Eve. He's moving along. He doesn't even care about what you guys think. He's going forward with his plans. Which he should. Yeah. Which you should. He's not doing anything wrong. You know what I'm saying? Which you should. I mean? We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out in the near future. Do you like that idea, New Year's Eve? Hey, man. I like the idea. Sure. Sure. All right. I like the idea, but what's important is if Anderson likes the idea. Last thing, Ed, of course, as I mentioned, President of RFA, give us some news. What's going on in the world of our RFA? Man, a lot of good stuff, man.

Over the next few, we're working on a lot of things this week. We've got some big things happening, so I think next week we're going to be releasing some big, big news with the RFA. People are going to be blown away. Blown away, really? Yeah. Wow. Okay, I look forward to that. Always a pleasure, Ed.

Always a pleasure to talk to you, too, Aero. Thank you so much. And again, I know it's not the best of times, but it's great that you were able to stop by. We really appreciate it. Not a problem, man. It's my pleasure. There he is. The man himself, president of R. Faye,

Anderson, Silver's manager at Sour, stopping by. I really appreciate his time. It sounds like he wants to have the rematch. Now, all we have to do is convince Mr. Anderson. It's a huge fight. Vitor Belfort, though, is saying he does not want to see the rematch. he wants to fight Chris Wyatman. So many angles to dissect here.

And you can talk about this fight and what transpired on Saturday. It's one of those moments that I will never forget. I'm in the back. I get to do all the interviews for Fuel TV. It's an honor to do them. Get those guys in that set, that location. Moments after they win or lose sweaty, bloody, all that stuff. It's just an amazing job.

And usually I'm just happy being there. I watched the fights on a monitor that's as big as this computer screen. But for that fight, in fact, we were right next to the tunnel. So I was maybe five feet away from where Anderson's Civil walked out. And for that fight, I had to unhook myself. A lot of wires had to unhook myself and go into the crowd and just take the whole thing in. and it was an amazing thing to watch because it was a pretty strong pro-Brazilian crowd. But as the fight went on and as Anderson kept doing what he was doing, it started to turn.

And then you see that shocking moment, him in that vulnerable state, him in that position on the ground, eyes to the back of his head, getting knocked out is a surreal sight. And in my opinion, a bigger deal than Fader getting. submit it. It was just so shocking. We thought that there was a chance Chris Weidman could win, obviously, but to do it like that, I don't think a lot of people saw it coming. And then especially after Anderson was acting the way he did, it was even more shocking because he was playing with him. He was towing with him. And for it to happen like that, I'm still, I still don't, I still don't know if you can see the

program right there. You got Anderson and Weidman. Anderson has the belt. It's still shocking to me that Chris Weidman is the UFC middleweight champion. Anderson Silva is no longer the champ. 2,000 or around like 2,500 days he was the champion. No longer the champion. It's a new day in the middleweight division. It's a new day in the UFC. And I'm so curious to see what happens next.

The rematch would do huge business. New Year's Eve, Super Bowl weekend, a long list of contenders. Anderson in a vulnerable position. Anderson going for the belt now, it's just so fascinating. And on that note, let us go to your questions. Do we have questions, Mr. Rick? We do have questions. Let me guess.

A lot of them are about Invicta, or about RFA, maybe some World Series of Fighting. Nailed it. Nailed it. Now, also up for grabs, by the way, I should say, UFC Fit. How is that going? Fantastic. Yeah? Nothing out of the ordinary to report this week.

What did I just finish? I just finished week five starting week six. So I'm almost at the halfway point. So you just finished week? Week 5, week, five, week six. Does that mean we're going to see some sort of, we talked about this last week, right? We're going to see some kind of, okay. Yeah, we could do a real video. We could do whatever. We can show up. As opposed to a fake video? Well, as opposed to the Vine you were saying, you weren't so happy. Yeah, you cheated us. You'd even do an Instagram video. You had to do a six second Vine.

It wasn't out at that time. Oh. Instagram video wasn't out yet. Do you believe, like I, that Vine is about to go under? I mean, who's? Who uses Vine? I'm Vine. You're Vine? I'm Team Vine. Really? Yeah.

That's bizarre. Why? Less people are on Vine. I just like the six seconds. I just like Vine's platform. You like the shorter video? I also, yeah. Well, I like that it's more like a GIF or a GIF.

I think it's a GIF. No, it's a GIF. The guy who created it came out and said it's actually Jif. I like that better. I like how it loops rather than Instagram's video. It's way too long. 15 seconds is. too long. I don't want to see 15 seconds.

Really? Six seconds. Hit me with something quick, something creative. I like Vine. You love my videos. Your videos? Yeah. The infamous Ariel Hawani Pan, the left to right move. The one move.

Yeah, it's a nice move. Lately, I've been doing left to right and then back right to left. Oh, ho. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mixing it up. Instagram, so you have to do a whole 360 with 15 seconds. Yeah, sure. I want to do the whole panoramic.

A lot of people do the whole cut-up video. And why? It's more work. I'll give you the whole thing and I don't have to cut it up. In my opinion, I think it makes more sense. And, excuse me, I need to ask your thoughts. A lot of people want to know your thoughts. What were you thinking when you saw this happen? How about, we have a lot of questions about it, as you were alluding to. I'll weigh in, you know, during that. All right, all right.

So let's just hop straight into the questions. Of course, the first question has nothing to do with the fight. The website. Oh, okay. Don't worry. The Twitter questions are Anderson Silva-Widman focused. Okay, here we go. This is from the website. All right, all right.

First question from Gangi, Gangi every week. Yes. What happens now in the featherweight division after this weekend? Lamas has already beaten Swanson. Does Edgar Lamas for number one contender make sense? Or do you give Lamas his shot at the Aldo Korean zombie winner and have Edgar Swanson for the number one contender? Totally agree with the latter.

I think that, look, UFC 163, is what? August 3rd, today's July 8th. By the way, it's my birthday. I don't know if you caught that. Didn't get a happy birthday from anyone on the crew backstage there behind the scenes. Happy birthday area. Okay, that'd be nice.

So anyway, it's July 8th, and UFC 163 is August 3rd. So let Ricardo Lama sit around. I'm sure that's what he wants. He wants to fight for the belt. So let him stick around. let him fight the winner of Korean Zombie versus Aldo. Already I've said I think Showtime should just wait to see what happens

with Benson and T.J. Grant, he's still injured anyway. So have Showtime stick around at 155, have Lama stick around at 145. Lamas fights the winner of the main event next month in Rio. And then have Edgar Swanson fight for the next contender spot. I mean, Swanson has won five in a row. That was an amazing victory over Dennis Siever. Edgar gets his win. It's just so much fun

watching Edgar fight. That third round was great. And by the way, we should mention my mom went 0-2 on Saturday. She lost the Olavera Pick and Anderson Silva. How about that? So we have officially found a worse prognosticator than New York Rick, which is pretty amazing. Oh and two.

So that's what I would do. I would do Edgar Swanson, have them fight 100%, and then have Lomas fight the winner of Aldo TKZ. Let's just remember it's your birthday and she gave birth to you. She did. You're right. you know what? That was mean. I love you, Mama.

Next question. From Shawnees or Seenace, whatever, about Nick Diaz. Dana White revealed he wanted to fight. If he does happen to return, who should be his first opponent? You know, there was someone who, I don't know who it was on Twitter saying, could Nick Diaz fight Anderson Silva now? But I don't want to see that. There are a lot of interesting fights for Nick Diaz.

Perhaps the loser of Rory McDonald and, Jake Ellenberger, which happens in a couple weeks. Maybe the loser of Damien Mai versus Josh Kostchek, which happens August 3rd. Carlos Condit, Martin Catman, maybe a rematch with Condit, depending on what happens. A lot of interesting fights for Diaz. I think the UFC world, the MMA world is a more interesting place when he's fighting. But let's see what Nick says. That's what Dana said.

He said he broke up with his girlfriend. I didn't get an inkling of that if you follow him on social media. But let's see what Nick says. I mean, we're what? Four months removed from his fight, and they keep saying, unless it's GSP or Anderson, we're not coming back. So maybe they'll try to campaign for Anderson as well.

Our next question. From Candina Porter, is a fight between John Jones and Kane Velasquez a possible super fight? I think that would be an ideal state. medium super fight. I guess, but honestly, I'm tired of the superfight talk. I'm really tired of it. I like to see, look, if Widman, let's say Wydenman was a 205 or 170 pounder and he beat Anderson Silver, to me, what's cool about it is new champion fighting for the belt, contender rises up, beats the champ, now here he is, new King of the Hill, Anderson fights him again to try to regain

the belt. I like that stuff. The superfight stuff, I'm not even that worried about it. Honestly, I'm kind of happy we don't have to talk about it. I'm happy we're not talking about Anderson GSP coming off this fight. Anderson, John. If John wants to move up, let him fight, you know, let him relinquish the belt and then work his way. I don't think he has to necessarily work his way up, but let him get a fight like Anderson was getting against a Forrest Griffin type of guy, one fight and then fight for the belt. I think it would be silly to make him fight for the belt right away, build it up a little bit, but I don't want to see these super fights anymore. And I say anymore, by the way, we didn't really get to see them, but I don't even want to hear about it. I like championship fights. That's what I like.

You're going to love the next question. Oh, great. If Benson Henderson, I'm sorry, this is from Australia MMA. If Benson Henderson and GSP both win their next fights, could this be a matchup worthy of the title Super Fight? No, I don't want to see it. I didn't want to see BJ versus GSP too because BJ was the 155 champ. I want to see dominant champions. I want to see how long Chris Wyman can go as middleweight champion. I want to see how long Benson Henderson could go as lightweight champion. Cane Velasquez, John Jones, etc., etc. Now, if they're done in the division and they think,

okay, it's not interesting for me anymore, I want to go up, I want to go down, whatever, okay, fine. But I don't want to see a guy put a division on hold just to have this super fight. There are enough interesting fights in the UFC to be had in each division no more. Our last question comes from a

future BJJ Black Belt. That's his name. Oh, God. About Hodger Gracie. Some of the best BJJ practitioners have been in the losing column recently, including Hadra Gracey and Vinnie Magalesh, what is the difference between their transitions into MMA and the successful transitions of Jokuree Sousa or Demi and Maya, for example? Well, I mean, for one, I would say the two guys mentioned on the back end are probably better strikers, have more complete games, in particular, Jokore. I mean, Jokuree versus Wyatman,

to me, is such a fascinating matchup, and Jokre is fighting Yushin Okami in September. Do you want to say what you told me about Jacaree earlier, Mr. Rick? Well, somebody talks about that matchup later, so we'll get into it. All right, all right. I just think that they've evolved more. I'm still not sure about Hajar at 185. I mean, he's a lot bigger than everyone at 185, but I don't know if he loses some of that power.

You know, the first round was good for him, but they just don't have the complete games right now. You saw that Vinnie Magalach versus Phil Davis at 159. he's getting a much a much less threatening opponent in Anthony Perroche at 163.

I just think that some guys develop I mean look at someone like Wyman this is a wrestler look at someone like Frankie Edgar this is a wrestler who's developed

into the best boxer in MMA and if you don't believe it he has to be in your top three. Some guys have it some guys evolve some guys don't.

That's absolutely it. It comes down to what happens when you can't use your BJJ and Jokkeray and Maya have something to do

when they can't And I mean, Vinnie's serviceable, but still not great, and Hodger just doesn't have it. At least not right now. Not right now, yeah. But yeah, you don't really, truly see it there. Here's our first question from Twitter. Oh, yeah. From Ina Ferencich.

I think I think Ina is from Croatia, if I'm not mistaken. Look, Krocop, first one. Where would you rank these upsets by shock factor? Randleman knocks out Crow Cop Verdoom submits Fador Sarah knocks out GSP and Wydeman knocks out Silva So they're saying

like rank them I would go with Honestly I would go with It might be fresh But right now I have to go with Wydenn Silva 1 Sarah GSP 2

Verdum, Fador and then random in crow cop All amazing upsets but that's what I go. What do you got? I don't actually really disagree with that order. I agree with that. I remember when Sarah knocked out GSP,

I couldn't move from my couch. And back then, I was transitioning into the journalist's role, but no one gave Sarah a shot. He was obviously, as far as the betting people go, I mean, Wyman-K-Oing, or at least finishing or beating Anderson Silva,

was there a line on a finish? There was. I could look it up. Anyway, Wyden just beating Anderson is not a huge upset as far as the odds go, but just actually seeing it happen. The knockout, to me, was shocking. And again, I still haven't really digested it.

So that's your order. I mean, random and Koe and Krokoop as well was a very, very big deal. And Morrow's call of that knockout was incredible, one of the best. But I think I have to go with that. The reverse order of the ones listed. Just for the sheer fact.

that no, if whoever was picking Wyden, you'd be hard pressed to find somebody who said it was going to be a knockout. I'm sure there were people who thought about it and said, you know, he could double up his punches and land something on Silva if he started playing around. But most at the time you heard submission, grinding out a decision, things like that. Just the fact that he knocked them out adds to the sheer shock. Absolutely. And on top of that, Anderson was acting the way he did and then gets knocked out just kind of adds to it all. And by the way, I think that sets up the rematch even more because people are saying, oh, you know, if he didn't act that way, he wouldn't have got knocked out. So now you have all this talk, and it's perfect for the rematch.

A lot of people have been talking about this, pound for pound lists. Oh, yes. UFC FaceWop. Where does Anderson Silva rank on your pound for pound list after has lost to Chris Widman? Okay, so you may have seen the scrum with Dana White following the event where I asked him this exact question because, of course, Dana was the one banging the drum for so long that Anderson was the pound for pound best. for a very long time he was right. And then I asked him, well, is Chris the pound for pound best? Now, I wasn't saying, people have to understand the difference between a question and what I believe.

Just because I asked something, doesn't mean I actually believe. I'm not the one answering the question. I want to know what Dana thinks. That's why I asked the question. So, the question was, is he still the pound for pound best? This doesn't mean I believe it. But now this man, my buddy face swap is asking the question. Where is he is the question?

obviously he's not number one. As I look at the pound-for-pound rankings right now, I would say John Jones is number one, George St. Pierre is number two, Chris Wyman's number three. I think Chris Wyatman's win over the greatest of all time has to put him up there.

Undefeated, 10 and 0. Look, Aldo has been some very good guys, including Frankie Edgar. But, Anderson Silva, everyone believed, was better than all those guys. So you beat him, you got to go up. And then I'll probably put, I mean, you could, honestly, you could put Anderson at four at that point.

And then maybe Aldo, Benson, et cetera, et cetera. Am I crazy here? I don't think you're crazy. I'm not sure I really don't know where I stand on this. I'm not sure I agree. I don't think. You'd put Aldo. Okay.

First of all, I would put Aldo ahead of. Wideman? Head of Wydman. Really? And I'm not so sure I would put Weidman ahead of... He beat the greatest of all time. How does that not warrant? It's one win.

One win? My thing is, is more about body of work, my pound for pound. Here's the thing. Nobody's going to agree on what pound for pound even means. Because Aldo is the lightest out of all of them. If the term pound for pound includes the factor of weight. If this was truly a pound for pound thing, Frankie Edgar might be number one.

Jose Aldo would be up there on the list just because of the sheer size. But you're never going to find anybody to agree what that term even means. In my opinion, I think Aldo has been. so dominant for so long that he belongs higher. And I might even have Silva above Weidman. I'm not sure. If that's the case, why is then Henan-Barrou, number one? So dominant for so long.

Well, the guys he was beating before weren't... Yeah, but come on. High enough level. Aldo's been doing it in the WEC and the UFC. I think beating Anderson-Silva warrants getting faulted up the rankings. I can't disagree with you. I'm just saying my personal, whatever pound-for-pound means, doesn't mean that.

So I wouldn't give Wyden. I would put him in the top 10, but I don't think he gets the spot solely on the one win. Not number one, but I think... Well, clearly not number one. John Jones and GSP have clearly earned. Three to five, though, to me, is very doable. And then the interesting thing is, where does Anderson go?

Right. He's still in the top 10, in my opinion. I don't care if he just lost. And I would put him above some of the champions, to be honest. you know, there's a tendency to just rank one through eight or whatever it is, and that's, you know, the majority of your rankings. But Anderson deserves to be there. You know, I put him right bullet.

Wherever Chris is, if it's four, he's five. If it's three, he's four, you get the point. That's where Anderson goes. Okay. Next question from Leon. Do you think one reason for Anderson's showboating was that Roy Jones Jr. was in the crowd? You know, Roy Jones Jr. insinuated that. But honestly, if you think that, I'll ask you.

you, have you ever watched an Anderson Silva fight? He did against Patrick Cote, he did against Talis Ladies, he did it against Damien Maya, he did against Stefan Bonner. And what's the common thread there? The common thread is, in my opinion, he didn't truly respect those opponents. He thought he could do that, put on a show, mess with them, and it adds to their allure. I remember being on this show after the Stefan Bonner fight and saying, that was one of the greatest performances I've ever seen. That was vintage Anderson. That was better than vintage Anderson. Did you see what he did? He stood there. He missed. He made Stefan Bonner miss with a spinning back kick. Then he walked back right where he was standing. He took his punches. He was unbelievable. He was like the Matrix out there.

It was so great then. And he tried to do it again against Chris Wyman. The difference is Chris Wyman is better than Stephen Bonner. You can't do that against someone like Chris Wyman. I don't think, based off what I saw there, here's what I think really happened. I think that he didn't plan on doing that. But the fight started. started, Chris got him down, got in some punches, went for some submissions, and then Anderson said, oh, you're getting excited now? This is the guy that you thought could beat me. All right, let's go. Punch me. Let's go. Let me play around with you. Let me mess with your head. And it may be sort of kind of worked, although I don't really think it did. I mean, you didn't really see Chris buckle. You didn't see him stop pushing the pace. He kept going, and eventually he caught him with an amazing

punch. Reach for it and got him. But I think that Anderson felt at that point disrespected. Oh, this is the guy who just took me. This is the guy that you think is going to beat me. All right, let's go. Let's see him beat me. My question is for everybody who says that Anderson crossed the line or did something he doesn't normally do. What exactly did he do that he hasn't done in other fights? Exactly. He put his hands down, he started bobbing and weaving, tried to back off punches instead of properly blocking them. What have we not seen from him before. The only difference this time is that Stefan Bonner and Forrest Griffin don't have the

hand speed and the punching power to make him pay for doing that. Whereas Chris Widman doubled up on the punches and landed something. And, you know, kept going with his combo. Instead of getting, you know, flustered or down on himself, he pushed through it and landed a punch. Now, do I think that would have

happened if Anderson wasn't acting that way? Meaning, would he have gotten knocked out? you never know and that's why the rematch is so intriguing but i don't understand why people are saying this is why he he you know he kind of deserved to lose this is why chris wyman won of course he opened the door for chris to end the fight earlier but henderson's been doing that before so it can't be okay when he wins and not okay when he loses or it can't be he did this to throw the fight what about all those other times was he trying to lose against those guys too this was this is what he does. I don't think he was doing it because Roy Jones. I don't think he was doing it because

he was trying to throw a fight. I think he just got a little too fired up, a little too emotional. You saw in his corner, they were telling him, come on, calm down, calm down, they saw it happening, and then he got caught. Like he could have gone caught in the past, except those guys weren't as good as Chris Widman. Our next question from AJ Rodriguez. Bigger fight, Widman Silva 2 or Jones versus Silva. Speaking of Jones v. Silva, I don't believe this completely flushes that fight down the toilet. I mean, we've seen guys coming off losses. Crazier things have happened.

Remember, when Chuck Ladell and Vandalea Silva were coming off losses, we thought, oh, we're not going to get to see that fight, and we got to see it and people enjoyed it. Maybe he takes some of the luster away, whatever. My opinion, bigger fight, Wyman Silva, too. Bigger fight by far. I want to see if Anderson could beat Chris Wyatman. I want to see if he could avenge that loss. I want to see how he does a second go-around. Does he act the same way?

How does he prepare for the fight? How does he do in the fight? Jones-Silva right now doesn't interest me at all. Completely agree. Bigger fight. The other thing is the idea of losing the belt, I like the fact that it frees up Anderson-Silva to get in all these kind of fights that we want to see him in.

But I want to see that rematch first. No, for sure. But if we don't, I'm kind of excited at the prospect of, being able to put him into fights that we want to see, whereas he's not holding up a division anymore. These super fights, the problem with these is that they hold up divisions. They put the divisions on ice for no reason.

If you can put Anderson Silva in a fight with somebody without having to worry about everybody else at 185 being on ice, then it's an exciting prospect. I'd love to see all kinds of exciting fights from Silva. And honestly, I mean, deep, deep, deep down, it would suck. It would really suck if we don't get to. see the rematch. I really want to see that fight. It's just so intriguing and especially

Northeast show. Now it's on Chris's turf, et cetera, et cetera. But again, as you mentioned, there are interesting fights for Chris right now. The Vitor fight is very interesting. I mean, they were talking about fighting last year before everything changed and, you know, Vitor was supposed to fight Adela and Belcher then, but then he ended up fighting John Jones, etc., etc. That's an interesting fight. Like I said, Jacaree, interesting fight. The Bisping fight. It's interesting because they've been talking from. for a very long time. Those are all interesting.

But let's get the rematch out of the way. And if Chris Wyman can win, if he could be the Mike Brown to Anderson's Uriah Faber, then let's see what happens next. But first I want to see that fight. Next question comes from RPI participant, the box father.

Do you feel that Dana's confidence of a rematch is solely based on the amount of money he will throw at Anderson? Sorry, I was just reading an email from my colleague Dave Doyle who weighed in on this pound-for-pound stuff, and I'm going to share it. he said that he's going with

Wideman 6, Silva 2nd, uh, Silver 7, excuse me, Widman number 6, Silva number 7. Looking at, uh, body of work, Aldo, Henderson, and Kane all have better wins and longer runs than Wydman. But ranking Silva ahead of the guy who just knocked him out is silly, as Dana White said.

That was crazy. What do you have to say about that? He's thinking more like me in terms of the length of win. Um, I agree more with that for sure. I got to put honestly Henderson's fight

we're so close you got to think of that as well I agree with that completely I think Frankie Edgar is the champion right

but a win's a win we can't take away you know that's not our job Kane was knocked out yeah I mean he's got to be above those guys

maybe Aldo maybe I'll give you Aldo that I was trying to make the point for most all right fair enough back to the box father

oh I never answered that one do you feel that day Dana's confidence of a rematch is solely based on the amount of money he will throw at Anderson. Not necessarily. I think it's based on the fact that Dana White knows Anderson Silva. He knows what kind of competitor he is. And let's be honest, Dana's a big Anderson's a big Anderson fan. He's been banging the Anderson drum before a lot of people, including myself, were on the bandwagon that he's the best of all time. And Dana is a promoter. I mean, in that scrum, if you saw it, Dana was promoting that rematch like it was happening tomorrow.

he already switched. He was exhausted. He seemed very tired. And I asked him, was he angry? Was he deflated? He dismissed that, but he was still promoting. He was still getting it ready. And I think it's going to happen.

I think he knows that at the end of the day, Anderson's a competitor, and he's going to want to get that belt back. I would be shocked if this rematch doesn't happen. Our next question comes from Ali. Am I the only one who'd rather see Wydenman versus Jokkeret in the event rather than a rematch with Silva. Look, I love that fight. I love it.

I love that fight. We were talking about that fight before this fight ever happened. But let's not forget, this is Anderson Silva. Like I was saying last week, it was shocking to me that so many people were picking against him

just because he's Anderson Silva. And if you're not going to do the rematch after his first lost, Dana White said on Thursday, put it down, write it in your papers, your website's whatever. If he loses, he's getting an immediate rematch. I don't think the UFC's going to consider

anything. An immediate rematch after a title reign like that is a no-brainer. This fight I love, eventually, he has to get by Yushin Okami. He was kind of the contender killer. But I love it. And in fact, our own New York Rick told us about this fight. What did you say? I said that I'd probably favor Jocker Ray right now. Wow. Over the champ. I've been on the Jokkeret Ban wagon for a long time. I've been touting him forever. And since he's coming to the UFC, has there been any indication that I'm not right about how good he really is? I mean, he's just running through guys right now.

And on the ground, he obviously has an advantage over Wydenman, as good as Wydenman is. And standing up, I think his hands are explosive. The guy's got power, no doubt about it. So, yeah, this is the fight I want to see the most out of any fight that would happen in the UFC right now. even more so than Anderson Really? Yep You're kidding me

This is what I want to see Really? 100% Are you joking right now? I'm not joking I want to see this more than a rematch What? This is the fight

This is the sport This is normal This is the sport This is the event But no, come on You could see that If he beats Okami I've kind of

I'm in the camp where I've come to terms with the fact that Anderson Silva lost, and I want to see him. You're done with it. Yeah, I want to see him just fight whoever he wants to fight. One of those guys who you call him up, you say, hey, how do you feel about this? And then he signs on the dotted line. I don't care about him fighting for a title anymore because he doesn't seem to. I saw you mentioned that on Twitter.

You're okay with him just going out there and having fun fights. Yep, absolutely. After the rematch, though. Whereas Jacqueray, that guy's hungry, and I want to see him in there versus Weidman. And let's not forget, Anderson Silva is 38 years old. Exactly. So why not just do the rematch now and then he'll maybe get one or two more fights and then maybe retire? I truly believe he doesn't want it.

I know everybody's saying he doesn't want it. I truly believe he doesn't. No, I mean, you're listening to him. He actually said it. He even said in that interview before the fight. Yep. So you're the only one listening to him. By the way, does anyone ask about Roy Jones?

We just had that before. If I care about it, Roy Jones. Wait, was that about John Jones or Roy Jones? Roy Jones. That was Roy? I was talking about John. He was saying Roy Jones is in the crowd. Do you think that the showboating...

Oh, no, no, no, if I care to see it. Oh, no, no, nobody asked about that. Okay, well, anyways, one person just asked, absolutely not. No way, I couldn't care less. I do not want to see that. Okay, moving along. Rock and Beat says, what does Dana do with Silva if he really doesn't want to fight for the title? He has nine more fights on his contract.

I mean, what does that really mean? people get cut from contracts all the time. It's not like this is guaranteed money being thrown around. So if the end the deal, the end the deal, the only thing is he's tied himself up for nine fights, right? So they have him now locked into a contract that's very long term. If he wants to retire and then go fight Roy Jones, he's probably not going to be able to do that outside of the UFC. You remember the Randy Couture situation. So I don't think Dana's sweating it.

It's like Nick Diaz. He's retiring. Great. You're retiring. You can't go fight somewhere else. it's not a huge deal for him in that sense but I think at the end of the day Dana feels like he knows Anderson enough

that he is going to convince him to come back and while everyone is saying or at least Anderson is saying the opposite I do believe he will come to his senses and realize this is a big deal for his legacy and all that he needs to get the rematch but Anderson's a weird cat you know I wouldn't be shocked by anything he does

also remember that his favorite fighter is BJ Penn or he says the best fighter ever, the pound for pound best is BJ Penn. One of these guys who just took fights in any weight class, any division. And, you know, even though he does crave the belt, he does chase the belt, he's one of these guys who hung around and just did fights. By the way, great BJ Penn story for you. I interviewed him on Saturday for Fuel TV, and I'll be coming out soon.

And it was very nice to see him, hadn't seen him in a while. and then right after the main event, one of the questions I asked him was about Anderson continuing to say that he, BJ Penn, is the greatest of all time. And then right after the main event, BJ walks by our set and I say, BJ, maybe you are the best. Look what just happened.

And he goes, Ariel, he's a very serious guy when he gets into the zone. He said, never been knocked down, never been knocked out. True story. BJ Penn. Well, I already knew he was the best, so. Right. Next question is from Luke Murphy. Did you get the sense that Silva was relieved to lose the belt?

He spoke a little about the pressure in one pre-fight interview. 1,000%. I couldn't agree more. It felt like, finally, I don't have to walk around with this thing. I don't have to worry about this thing. I don't have to get the attention that this thing brings. I've done it long enough. I'm okay with it.

It's an amazing thing because you'd think being the champion is the greatest thing in the world. and he had a very, very nice run with it and his life has completely changed. But have we ever heard Anderson's so sincere, so honest, so emotional after a fight talking about what America has done for his family, about changing his life? And it was almost like you said, I'm good.

I'm all right. I'm cool with this. I'm all right with it leaving me. While other people around him were devastated, his crew, his team, some were crying. They looked like someone had just died, honestly. he seemed okay. It was amazing the way he was acting.

And I believe that he was just relieved that it was over and the pressures that come with it are gone. And now that's an amazing thing for Anderson because he seemed like one of those guys that relishes those pressures being involved in that, being in the midst of all that, but maybe it was just too much. And he was okay with passing the torch.

Our next question from Chris Marzella. With a New Yorker as UFC champion, I'll add that. John Jones is also a New Yorker. Does this add more pressure onto the state to legalize MMA? Honestly, I don't believe so because, again, John Jones has been championed for a couple of years now and nothing happened. I mean, now we have... So New York is home to a quarter, right, a quarter of the UFC champions,

two-eighths, which then becomes one-fourth. There's eight champions, right? Well, as far as the men are concerned, flyweight, bantam weight, featherweight, lightweight, welterweight, middleweight, light heavy, heavy, eight. New York is home to a quarter of the UFC champions yet those champions are not allowed legally to fight in their home state. Blasphemy, don't get me all riled up, but to answer your question, no, I don't think so. I think this is an issue that goes well beyond anything going on in a cage. it's a political issue which we've talked about, ad nauseum,

and I don't think anyone cares. Touched on this a little bit. Ryan Cash asked, could you explain what it was like being there live to watch Wydenman v. Silva? I got goosebumps just watching at home. It was really unlike... Honestly, I was not there for Doom versus Fedor.

I wasn't there for that fight. I was at a wedding. The next day I was in Montreal, but it was unlike... I'm trying to think. which fight even compares to it and just the pure shock that I felt afterwards. I mean, even when I interviewed Dana for fuel, I felt like I couldn't even verbalize what had just transpired.

It was an unbelievable moment because, look, I know a lot of people say that, oh, Chris is my guy and all this nonsense, which I think really comes down to Bisping in his comments, which I think were kind of silly. but, you know, I think Bispin was trying to get my attention, and that's okay. You know, he wasn't feeling the love. But, you know, people don't say that about Matt Matrione, who's been on this show a bunch of times and other fighters. People don't say that, but Bispin came out with it, so all his little minions ran with it. But remember, this is a guy who, yes, was on this show before he was a UFC fighter, who we've had a chance to follow in the UFC, who I, for whatever reason, was on a plane with for 10 hours to Rio back and forth. We're sitting right next to each other just by chance.

Honestly, it was just by chance. So you get to know people. And he invited us to his house after Hurricane Sandy and seeing how he was dealing with that and his approach to all of that, how inspiring that was. And then there he is with his whole family there knocking out Anderson Silva. It's a surreal thing to witness in person. And on top of that, it was Anderson Silva. He didn't just knock out Vitor Belfort.

He didn't just knock out John Jones, any of those guys. It was Anderson Silva. we've never seen him in that state. We've never seen him. I mean, yes, the chill fight, but it just wasn't like that. It really wasn't. And it was surreal. It was goosebumps-worthy.

It was hard to put into words. And I'm still not sure. It's one of those fights where I couldn't go to sleep, even though I had to wake up two hours later. It's going on a plane. It was very bizarre. But it was one moment on there, forget. I can't wait to tell my son about it.

It's one of those moments that everyone will remember where they were when Chris Wyman knocked out Anderson, Silva. Our next question comes from Jeremy Cake. Who do you see dropping from light heavyweight now with a new champ? Will middleweight become the most competitive division now? I don't really see anyone dropping from light heavyweight, to be honest. A lot of people were suggesting that Chale Sonin will go back down to middleweight.

I think he doesn't want to cut that weight. There's 20 pounds between 205 and 185. I don't see a lot of people. And that's almost, it's disrespectful to Chris. And I know he's not going to get that respect until he beats him again because people think it's a fluke. But it doesn't, it doesn't, you know, to me, now you have a younger guy, a guy who's 10 years younger, who just knocked out the king. Why does that mean that, you know, it's a party now at 185? I don't think, I don't think it's free rain to come in there and just steal that belt.

So I don't really see anyone coming down from 205. And one more thing about the atmosphere, backstage, which I'm lucky enough to be, That was pandemonium. There was like Chuck LaDelle. Everyone was there kind of reliving it, saying, oh my gosh, oh my gosh. It was crazy. But back to this question, I don't really see anyone. Our next question comes from Darrell Ransom.

I can't believe the Nevada State Athletic Commission book Kim Winslow for the Gonzaga-Herman bout. She obviously had trouble getting Gonzaga off Herman. What are your thoughts? I said the same thing on Saturday even before the knockout. And honestly, I don't think she had that much trouble getting Gonzaga off Herman. 17 second knockout. I think if we're being fair, she did a good enough job getting him off.

But why was she there in the first place? I mean, the fight right before that was a lightweight fight. Why isn't she doing the lightweight fight? Why is Herb Dean available and reffing the lightweights? And then Kim Winslow is reffing the heavy weights?

It makes no sense. This is just Keith Kaiser trying to mess with us. Just trying to get us riled up, trying to play with our minds, our hearts, our emotions. There's no, in my opinion. I mean, he'll say, oh, what's wrong with Kim Winslow? She's not good enough to wrap those fights?

It has nothing to do with that. But when you have big boys, like Herman and Gonzaga, or any other heavyweight, you've got to put a big guy in there just in case you need to peel someone off. Thankfully, I think she did an okay job, so maybe she proved this all wrong. But in the future, I would feel more comfortable if I was a fighter, a promoter, a fan, with a big guy like Herb Dean, a big John McCarthy, who, of course, still can't ref in Nevada, which is unbelievable to me. I would rather than be in there than a Kim Winslow.

Well, in your interview with Gonzaga, after the fight, he said as much as well, that if he was in the position that Herman was in, he'd rather have the confidence that the referee would be able to peel Herman off him if the roles were reversed. It's just irresponsible. It's irresponsible to put someone in like that, who's that size. with heavyweights. Yep.

Our next question. Now, I might have missed this, but I don't believe so. Jimmy Jay says, what happened to, or what could have been, GSP's big announcement. So a lot of people asked me this.

Apparently on the pay-per-view, they teased that there was going to be a big announcement regarding GSP. All that was, was that he's fighting Johnny Hendricks, UFC 167 in November. I mean, they announced after the fight

that there's going to be this big multi-city tour with all the champions. and that the last four months of the year will feature title fights, big title fights. Alexander Gustafs v. John Jones in September, Kane Velasquez versus Junior Dos Santos in October, George St. Pierre versus Johnny Hendricks in November, and then Ronda Rousey versus Misha Tate in December, at least for now. That was the announcement. I guess they never followed up, but that's what the announcement was. And everyone asked me about this. I missed it on the pay-per-view, but someone asked Dana about it afterwards, and that's what it was, which we already knew.

Uh-oh. Our next question from Jasprey Dehan. How was Mama Halwani feeling after the Charles Oliver loss? I could tell you, she was watching it. In fact, my mom who stays, I mean, she goes to bed at like, usually she goes to bed at like seven or eight, wakes up at four or five in the morning. She exercises and all this stuff. She has like lunch at eight o'clock in the morning. It's very bizarre.

She's doing it for years, and I credit her for her. for her dedication. I also credit her for giving birth to me. But she, on this day, by the way, at 8.33 a.m. on a Thursday, I think it was in 1982. Anyway, back to the question. She was very nervous going into the fight. She felt like her reputation was at stake. And I tried to tell her, don't be so nervous. Frankie Edgar is one of the good guys in our sport. If he wins, it's not the worst thing in the world. But for some reason, she felt like Dubranks was going to pull it out. She's texting me saying, here we go again with the Mama Halwani talk.

For some reason, she felt like it. And there was a moment where it looked like he could pull it off in the second round with a choke, although Frankie dismissed that. And then, you know, I told her, all right, well, you know, you have Anderson. He is the champion. You know, maybe he's going to do it.

And then she lost with Anderson. Oh, and two on one card. Her first card that she comes out there with her. You see, the thing with New York, Now everyone thinks that they can make picks. To her credit, though, he did look great. Olivera looked pretty good. I mean, it wasn't like he was going to win that fight.

Edgar was pretty much in control the whole time, but he definitely showed signs of being somebody to look out for in the future, possibly a future champion. He looked pretty good, in my opinion. Edgar's good. So that's to her credit. I mean, Edgar is coming off three straight title fights, right? Is that? No, way more. Like seven.

The Maynard ones were back to back with the Henderson ones. Is that? Oh, no, no. Let's not forget about BJ, your boy. Two against BJ. That's all in a row. So it was two BJ, two Gray, two Benson, and then Al-Alo. Seven. Yeah, I mean, who's better than Frankie? So looking bad against him, or not even looking bad, as I'm saying, looking decent against him is a feather in your cap. And that's just to her credit. She was on the bandwagon, and I don't, I don't think that one explains. loaded. All right. She is agreeing with you, by the way. She's saying Olivera did look great. So I guess she's okay with the pick now, but I could tell you at the time, she was, she was very nervous.

Here's our next question from Jacob Schmidt. With the upcoming stacked Invicta FC6 card, will that be the card that they need to land a deal with somebody like Showtime? Honestly, I don't think it's going to happen. Stephen Espinoza, the head of Showtime Sports, has pretty much debunked all those rumors. I don't see it happening, at least not now. I'm pretty sure. Actually, it's very weird. I just got a press release about this,

and I wanted to make sure there is... Okay, I just got a press release, that the pay-per-view is on at 9 p.m. Eastern, Saturday night, and then there's a live and free pre-show at 7 p.m. Eastern, I'm assuming, that is... Oh, the pre-show is just... let me read this. There's a two-hour free pre-show.

I'm assuming some of the prelums will be shown on that. But what I want to know is, can you still watch it online? I'm not sure. I don't feel like there's enough muscle behind this, but I guess being on pay-per-view is better than online, but although internationally you can't get it on pay-per-view. If it's pay-per-view and online, this is okay. but I think at some point you're going to start making money and that's why they're doing this.

They need to be on TV, build to some paper views. I just don't think it's going to be Showtime. And I know other networks have talked to them. Maybe the right deal hasn't happened. But the more I think about it, the more I think of Showtime with what they have, Showtime isn't the minor leagues. Showtime isn't small potatoes. They're the home to Floyd Mayweather and they're kicking HBO's butt at this point.

They want Big League MMA. And I'm not saying that Invicta is minor league MMA, but I think they want the men and they want something that's a little more well-rounded, not a niche of a niche. So I don't see it happening. Our final thing is not a question, but somebody repping. Graduation party from Sahil Patel, by the way, going on to podiature. Excuse me.

Podiatry school? Yeah. No, podiatry. But is that a thing? I need to know. Repping my big name. nose and Helwani nose shirt. And I'd like to add that it's a good choice.

He picked a good color. Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention that you were wearing your shirt. Can we see it? Let's see. Oh, yeah. Look at that. How does it fit?

It's good. Medium. Medium. Thanks to Mike Dolce UFC fit. Why? Before this, you were wearing what? Excel? Large, but it would have been a tight fit getting into this medium.

But now pretty comfortable. Now you're snug. Oh, yeah. No, I'm not snug. It fits pretty well. But it's a good kind of look for you. Now, I'm on MMAWarehouse.com. The black and pink, there's still small XL, 2XL, and 3XL.

Now, for black and silver, there's small XL, 2XL, and 3XL. For blue and orange, which you see on the desk right over there, it's the same, small XL, 2XL, 3XL. Oh, and also for the gray. So, according to this, there are no more mediums and no more larges. I wonder if they're selling as quickly as the other ones. I think not because we sold out in the first week of the first batch, although I made more this time. Let's see if there are any reviews. Only three reviews, but those are old.

Anyway, back to my boy Sahil over here. It looks great. That's my favorite one. It's the most unique. Why did you go with that one? I was debating between this and the black and pink, and then after like 10 minutes, I came to my senses and was like, I don't want to wear a black and pink shirt. Why not? I don't know.

It just, I don't know. I was just like, what am I thinking? This pink isn't for me. And I picked this one. Orange and blue would be if I was like a big Knicks fan or something like that. Not a big Knicks fan. What was the other one? Black and something?

Silver? Black and silver? Yeah, not my style. I mean, this was the only one after thinking about it. By the way, in case you're wondering, thanks to our good friends online, podiatry is foot and. an ankle doctor. Oh, I know what podiatry is. I just didn't know you go to a special, like specialized school for that kind of, uh, what? Medicine. You didn't? No, I've been to podiatrists.

Had some problems with my feet growing up. Basketball was really hard on my knees and my, and my ankles. I always get podiatry confused with pediatrics for some reason. Do you, do you have the same issue? Not the same issue. No. No, okay. So let's see, let's see, let's see. Congratulations, Sahil, and thank you for wearing the shirt at your party. That's awesome. You want to go back through these real quick? Yes. Invicta on Showtime.

Mama Halwani and Olivera. GSP's big announcement. Kim Winslow for the heavyweights. People dropping to middleweight. Being there live for Widman Silva. New York MMA with Wydman as champion. Silva being relieved to lose the belt. Dana Silva, nine more fights on his contract.

Jokore versus Weidman. Please. Dana's confidence on the rematch, which is the bigger fight. Roy Jones, Anderson Showboating. And our buddy UFC face swap again. I don't think he wins. No. I'm going to go with Alex Murphy, I think.

His name was about Anderson Silva being relieved. I think that was Luke Murphy? Oh, yes. Luke, Alex, same thing. Congratulations, you win the UFC fit, and you better show us your progress, unlike others, who I won't mention. Wow.

Yeah. But I do agree. I do think Anderson is relieved, and I don't even know what else to say about it. Do you feel like we've given this the respect and served it as the story that it is? Do you feel like we've done a good job here? I do.

We've done it justice. I feel like we've examined it from every possible angle. Okay. I still, it's so big that I don't even know if we, I think we should do another three hours. What do you think? By the way, are you going to make any bets on Invicta? I am. The lines aren't out yet.

You could have been the guy to say Wyman was going to get knocked out, but you... Well, I had Silva winning that fight. Sure, sure, sure, coming in, objectively. But I'm just saying... I was rooting for Wydman, and I couldn't be happier that he won. I'm really happy for him and really glad that the champs from New York, Long Island guy, never left. But I just saw Silva winning that fight.

even up until the knockout, I saw Silva winning that fight. I thought that the second round was heading more his way. Widman abandoned the takedowns a little bit. He tried one. Silva shrugged it off pretty easily. But then he just started clowning, and Widman kept on him unlike other people in the past. And it was a great knockout.

It was incredible. Yeah. But my point was that you could have been a part of all of that. Well, I can't pick UFC fights. No, I know. Well, look, if you would have... If you would have blown us out of the water with your Beltor picks, RFA, World Series of Fighting, et cetera, you could be here.

All I'm saying is, the longer you delay this, the longer it will take for you to get back into the big leagues. I'll be the one to pick Jocchere when he gets his title shot. All right. You're waiting for that? Okay. Great stuff. Thank you to all the people who sent us questions. We appreciate it.

And congratulations to our man, Luke, for winning the UFC Fit. Thank you to UFC Fit for hooking us up with that. Mike, you can hit my music. So there you have it. There is a new king at 185 pounds. There's a new UFC middleweight champion, and his name is Chris Weidman. Knocked out Anderson Silva. I've watched it over and over again.

What a knockout it was, catching him as he was clowning. And his head, Anderson Silva's head, bouncing on the canvas like it was a basketball. Unbelievable. And for anyone who wants to try to describe. credit Chris by saying, oh, he called them a disrespectful people. You're telling me in the heat of the moment, after doing that on a stage like that, you're not going to get fired up. Come on. Let's not get crazy here. These are athletes. These are human beings. These are people who've been working their whole life to get to this point. Relax with the sanctimonious criticism and all this nonsense.

He's the champ. He beat the former champ now. And he is the the king at 185 and it's an unbelievable moment and we want to thank him for stopping by and congratulations to Chris and his family on the win on Saturday night want to thank Matt Sarah great stuff as always want to thank Ray Longo congratulations to him hopefully he gets a lot more respect respect that he deserves in the MMA community good luck to you beatore belford on getting the fight good luck to marlos kuhn and chris cyborg invict FC6 this Saturday and rose namayunas good luck to her as well that's a great card if you're around on Saturday buy it on pay-per-view and we appreciate SORas stopping by as well.

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