MMA Fighting - Triller Fight Club Post-Fight Show | Anderson Silva Knocks Out Tito Ortiz, Vitor Belfort Stops Evander Holyfield

Episode Date: September 12, 2021

With Triller Fight Club in the books, MMA Fighting’s José Youngs, Steven Marrocco, and E. Casey Leydon react to the top storylines following Saturday’s event in Florida, including Vitor Belfort TKO win over Evander Holyfield and Anderson Silva's violent knockout of Tito Ortiz. Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Steven Marrocco: @MMAFightingSM Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Wrong music. The circus starts now. Boxing, boxing, boxing, boxing. Did we watch boxing today? Maybe, who knows. We watched, I would say we watched two boxing matches. And then a couple of men were inside of a boxing ring and did some stuff. And then said stuff.

And that is how I would describe what the last two fights were. In my humble opinion, of all. All the fights that happened in 2020, those were two of them. I am, of course, Jose Youngs, here for MMAFighting.com, hosting the live post-fighting show for the Triller Fight Club, Evander Holyfield, the Vitor Belfort, Beator Belfort, and Tito Ortiz versus Anderson Silva. Those two fights happened. We're probably only going to stick with the main and co-main, even though the actual boxing matches earlier on the night were very entertaining. Who knew David Hay was fighting today? Not me.

I would have been much more hype for that fight until I saw him answering some questions mere seconds before making the walk, but that is neither here nor there. I'm joining us this post show. I know we did a kind of a mini brief post show right for the press conference. If you want to call it a press conference,

there were some people up on stage. They said some things. They took no questions from the media. So whether you want to call out a press conference or not is on you. But joining us again for this post-post fight show, Steve in Morocco. So how are you, sir? I'm exhausted and growing more exhausted by the minute.

Yeah, let's go. I'm right there with you. And producer extraordinaire, Casey Liden on the ones and twos. He's going to be collecting your comments on this quote-unquote fights that we saw as he does a little jig. You can't see her, but Esther Lynn is actually playing this music live. She had the horns. She was like, yeah, it's crazy. She just learned that one lesson.

Not one lesson. It was amazing. Fezic and Rebella on, you know. On the drums and the high hat and everything. But Stephen, we'll start with you. I know we spoke on it a little bit before the press conference went, before the press conference went live, our own Mike Hickcliffe's course on the scene. But after watching the fights that just happened, we'll start with the co-man of Anderson Sillard, knocked out Tito Ortizant. And I believe 81 seconds was the official time.

He didn't really say much at the press conference, so we're not, we can't really dissect that. But has your thoughts changed at all over the last 45 minutes, I want to say? since our post-post show about Anderson-Silva knocking out Tito Ortiz? No, I think Tito wasn't over his head. I think that he came into this fight with all of the circumstances, kind of not working in his favor, happened to fight a guy who's gotten better, gotten sharper with his hands since he started working on them exclusively

in Anderson Silva, who's just one of the best that we've had and that we produced. So, yeah, I mean, I don't know if I have anything new to say other than I think that Tito was, I think the best Tito could have hoped for. And I actually did think of this when I first said. Did anybody see him kind of grabbing the collar tie a little bit with one of his boxing gloves? I do not. I kind of half expected him to like to like start doing the dirty boxing at one point.

I could have swore he had that physical impulse. the best thing that he was going to do was use his size muscle Anderson around tie up and basically try to work from the inside and and and tire Anderson out, you know, get him into a dirty fight, you know, make it make it not pretty, not allow Anderson to have space and distance and so he can set up his combinations. And when he did that, he just got lit up. I mean like just Anderson playing his game of peek-a-boo that he does, you know, He bobs, he ducks, he weaves, all the head movement is there.

And then he has that split second where he gets that opening. He is one of the most deadly strikers that, you know, combat sports is produced. And yeah, I just, I think that this was a mismatch. But here we are in 2021. A mismatch, especially given the fact that Anderson Silva had the contract against Tied Ortiz was for 195 pounds. Tito Ortiz said, I don't think he's made 195 pounds in high school. He weighed in at 200 pounds. Looks like death on the scale.

And they gave Anderson Silva a bunch of money as a fine. So Anderson Silva was the big winner of the weekend, I would say. Looks spectacular. Our own Sean Al Shadi has said this a few times, and I'm going to echo it because he's not here. Anderson Silva's late career in the UFC was very much a bummer. He got matched up with a lot of killers. Israel Adasanya, current champion, who was like this generation's Anderson Silva. Jared Canaaner, who was just one of the hardest hitting.

monsters at middleweight, former heavyweight that dropped all the way down on 1.85, and it's probably within one win away from fighting for the title. And then Uriah Hall, who has said his entire life grew up watching Anderson Silva molded his game off. And he has looked better than ever. I know he had that speed bump against Sean Strickland, but Uriah Hall has never looked better. So all of those wins, even the cannonear loss was even more depressing, given the fact that it was such a bad injury that I don't know. I don't remember for it was the same leg or not, but we've seen Anderson injured a few times inside the Octagon. So the fact that we're getting these back-to-back vintage Anderson-Silv

Formsins against Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. And Tito Ortiz just warms the heart of fight fans. And Casey, what if I told you back in 2000, I think it was 12, maybe 2013, when Anderson Silva knocked out Stefan Bonner, that he would not get another stoppage win until boxing Tito Ortiz in 2021. You know what? That kind of makes total sense. I don't know.

Yeah. We actually laid it out like that. Yeah, it does make sense. But, yeah, take a mind, too. When Anderson Silva left the UFC, I still believe he's at worst a top 20 middleweight. The guy, yeah, he's not top 15, you know. Remember, it was a competitive fight with Uri Haar until he lost, but up until that point, it was a good fight. The Canineer fight, you know, I mean, Canada is the top five middleweight.

Anderson's hope is not there anymore. He's, you know, 40-something years old. that makes sense. But just, man, good job, Anderson Silva. Good job just, just outsmarting

Tito Ortiz, outsmarting Tito Ortiz, you know, I'll just let that go. Ooh. Are you personal feelings involved in this? Are you personal feelings? I'm talking about Tito Ortiz

MMA fighter. MMA fighter. Tito Ortiz, by making this fight, 195 pounds, almost knowing that Tito Ortiz would never make that weight, knowing he's going to come out way over, he'll attempt to make that weight.

So not only we get a big chunk of change, T.O. Ortiz is going to be severely dehydrated. He's going to spend most of his training camp, not working on boxing, but he's just going to be running, cutting weight, you know, just getting sweating and making IG videos about how he will make weight. So Aniston Sova, he's a goat. He proved it again tonight.

Is he, you know, a world champion? Boxer, no. But I'm happy he's picking his fights wisely, unlike some of the other competitors. But he's picking his fights wisely, and he's performing. And it's a pleasure to see a happy Anderson Silva. Even though we didn't really talk about this, once he did knock out Tito. Was that me, or did Anderson almost look kind of bummed that it was so easy? he didn't do any cool thing he was just like oh that's it you know so i i actually i felt a little

bad for anderson i think anderson was actually kind of hoping for a no of you know we see anderson smile he's a big smiley fun guy but hey the guy's still a fighter he wants to get he needs to get down and dirty you know you know he wants to get in there i was just looking at old pictures when he fought chel you know in the first fight and after he won he was just he had this angry mad like ferocious face and i was like tito tonight i mean i mean Anderson tonight was like, man, I'd even like break a sweat. That's not fun. So we're going to definitely see Anderson back and high profile matches and hopefully big money fights.

The man deserves to get some big checks. If I had to hazard a guess as to why maybe Anderson didn't react in the way that he had reacted in previous victories, I think a lot of people, like I was looking through Twitter a lot when I was doing the Twitter reacts. A lot of people were just predicting Anderson to just wash Tito as it was. so maybe Anderson knew it was going to be that easy too so when he won he's like yeah the sky is blue water is wet I knock out Tito Ortiz in round one maybe that was I'm just that's just a hazarding a guess I did not see one person picking Tito Ortiz to win this fight especially given that Anderson so well beat Julio Cesar Chavez Jr who I am a vocal like I am not a fan of whoo suezer shovs junior as an individual or boxer but he is a legitimate he has a legitimate resume in the boxing world and Anderson did what he did in the UFC to a professional boxer in his home country that I thought he was going to have the hometown

cooking but I think a lot of people picked Anderson to win so but from here the question we bet the question is who is Anderson Silva fight next a lot of people online I believe Clerson Shields Michael Keesa Ben Ascran they are all calling for Anderson Silva versus Jake Paul I know Sean Lashaddy said maybe Logan Paul because he's a little bigger the post fight press conference, he was presented with maybe boxing Oscar Delahoya. Anderson said, I think Vitor has some unfinished business with Oscar, and he just wants to go home and spend time with his family. He gave the answer that we as journalist hates.

I just want to spend time with my family, and then I'll get back to the drawing board. It gave us absolutely nothing. Started every sentence with the word, wow. So that didn't change from his UFC days. So Stephen, I'll start with you. If you are Anderson's team, and you could tell him to fight any. one that makes sense who should he fight well yeah i mean if i'm in his team i'm saying jake paul i mean that's the biggest payday you know i mean like even after this fight like what

somebody said i'm like we're still talking about jake paul still jake paul is still the main narrative coming out of this fight who's jake paul going to fight you know he he's the guy who wins in the end again so if i'm his team i want to see him make the most money possible um and i think that that's, you know, the reasons Casey said notwithstanding, I mean, I feel like it's a competitive, it's a great fight for him. And I actually think it's a fight that he can win and should win. But, you know, I think it could be Logan or Jake, honestly. So there's a competitive side of it. Then there's a financial side of it. And from Anderson Silva's side, I would much rather be Anderson Silva than Jake Paul. If I'm Anderson Silva, I want that fight.

If I'm Jake Paul, I'm thinking twice because is Anderson going to bring the eyeballs? Is he going to make it a scene in a spectacle? So I agree with what Casey said before. I don't think it's completely like a nobody or it's not going to do any business at all. Anderson was a top pay-per-view draw during his heyday. Of course, it's not as it's well past his heyday now. But that being said, the guys had some great performances and has opened a lot of eyes. So me personally, I would love to see him fight Jake or Logan Paul for the competitive reasons.

Do I think that happens? You know, I'm less confident about that. Sure. I don't know if I'm Anderson. Obviously, the big money fight is Jake Paul. Jake Paul is probably going to fight Tommy Fury, who is probably the worst boxer of everyone we brought up, including both Paul brothers. Casey, if you had to, if you're Anderson's team, which direction are you nudging him towards? I know he probably won't get, I know Jake Paul probably won't accept the fight.

So taking the Paul brothers out of the equation, is there another option that is actually reasonable for Anderson Silva to fight next? Man, the fight I wanted to see tonight, Anderson Silva versus Vito Belfort. That's the fight I actually wanted to see. That's a fight that actually made more sense. that was probably going to be more competitive. I would have still gone of Anderson, but I think it would have been more competitive a fight. I don't think, I think from a monetary standpoint,

a price fighting standpoint, of course Jake Paul is the guy the fight to make for Anderson, but I just find it so weird that if we, if we wouldn't have gone back in time a year ago or say the Ascran fight when Paul fought Ascran, like it would almost be insulting, insulting to Anderson Silva's legacy to suggest that he should fight Jake Paul.

But now we're like, oh, Jake Paul, will you fight me? It's just crazy how this works in combat sports. You know, now all these like Vito Belfort, these legends, these these pioneers of mixed martial arts are basically like, hey, Mr. Paul, will you fight me so I can make lots of money? I just find it. It's just crazy. I hated. I hated it. I hated everything about Vitor Belfort's press conference and comments inside the, like he's offering 30,000.

million dollars like winter takes all to jake ball and then he's like 40 million dollars for canela i'm like dude first of all you fight at 185 pounds canela fights of 168 pounds yeah and you're saying that canello alvers the pound for pound best fighter on planet earth would be it would is a chicken if he doesn't take 40 like i am so confident that i say canello could take a month off come off and just dust vitor belfort like it is there is no question in my mind that that happened. So I hate it ever like and then this whole Vitor thing is like if Jake Paul doesn't take the fight, that means all his fans have to become my fans. I'm like, my guy, my guy, I am really, I'm also really confident when I say none of Jake Paul's fans watch this fight.

So no one knows what you are saying and no one knows who Vitor Belfort is. And I'm, that's, I'm, like, that's unfortunate because Vitor Belfort is one of the greatest mixed martial arts fighters who has ever lived. Top five middleweights in the history of MMA. One of the greatest a pioneer. A pioneer. A pioneer. A pioneer. A pioneer. Like the definition of a pioneer.

Like really the first guy in the UFC that had black belt level jihitsu with elite level striking. So when I say all this, that's not a knock. That's not a knock on Vitor. It's just a different world. Vitor, I'm sorry. You're not going to fight the Paul brothers. I'm pretty confident that they didn't even hear you say that.

So that's just mine. But with that, we're going to move on to the main event. Where is this trailer, this bag of this briefcase of $35 million? And who's the guy that went like $30 million? No, $35 million. I didn't even know who the guy was. He's like, he, so it was $25 million. And then this guy just ran in and goes, oh, I have $5 million to just add to this ridiculous bet.

Like, come on, man. Like Logan Paul is fighting on Showtime boxing, which is like an established name. the boxing world. Like, now that HBO is out of the equation, is anything bigger than Showtime boxing? No. They're the Premier, but they're the premier broadcaster in boxing. I know like Fox and ESPN and all these guys are doing their thing, but it's Showtime is still the gold standard right now in 2012. So like, how about you go to Showtime?

You got to deal with them. Like Stephen Espinoza is an actual TV businessman who's not just going to run out into a ring and throw $30 million. That's not his game. He's a businessman and he knows what he's doing. But with that, moving on to less fun fight, I should say, if we want to call it a fight. Vitor Belfort stopped Evander Holyfield. Evander Holyfield, of course, one of the greatest heavyweights who has ever graced the squared circle. In his mid-50s, took this fight obviously on quote-unquote short notice after Oscar Delhoya,

had a nasty bout with COVID. He pulled out. Evander gave an interview with our own Mike Heck. All the comments seemed very concerned with Evander Holyfield slurring. some words, kind of neandering through his sentences, didn't really make any sense, gave a lot of non-answers that, in his mind, we're probably not non-answers, but to us, didn't seem very coherent. So, Stephen, I'll start with you.

What were your initial thoughts after watching Vitorre stop Evander Holyfield? And I'll ask this another question B, were you okay with the stoppage? Simons, insuffles the magic in your time of the ftes. Millie unide of Cado and Autant of DECORations for watch your decor's enchanted

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I'll answer B first. Yes, I was okay with a stoppage. Perfectly okay with it. The referee did the best job that I think he could do under the circumstances. It was quite clear that Evander Holyfield could not take punishment. And if, I mean, it reminded me in many ways of what I thought when Chuck got back

into the cage in the sense that the mind might have been there, but the body just wasn't. And one of the things that I wanted to mention in the previous thing was we looked at that workout footage. And to me, that footage was immediate cause for concern. There was this bizarre, you know, brewline that came out that oh he's just saving it for fight night no he's he's that is who he is that that is what's left you know the fast twitch the reflexes everything like it's not there anymore and it's it's long gone and vitor might be 44 and you know he's also fighting in florida you know on a week's notice. But there's just a big difference between those two fighters and the amount of punishment

that they've taken over there. I mean, Evander had a long, long boxing career. I think he said he was boxing since he was eight. That is a lot of head trauma. The brain does not get more resilient over years. It gets less resilient. And that's what happens. When you take that kind of trauma, it takes less trauma to inflict it.

So the problem I have with all of this is that we don't know the punch that's really going to make a difference, like a serious long-term health difference. And that's why I have a problem with this commission licensing it, because we just don't know the answers to this. And the evidence is so overwhelming and obvious just from a smell test point of view, like just looking at him and paying attention to him. It's clear that he should not be licensed. He should not fight again. And the fact that they allowed him to fight is embarrassing. Well said. Well said.

And I will say the trailer broadcast was trying to build up Evander a lot, like basically trying to gloss over a lot of what Stephen just said, which is all accurate. And then did you guys see them show Tommy Hurons on the screen? And then they started talking about him coming out of retirement. And then thank God, who's the main commentator, Ray? I don't remember. Ray Flores.

Ray Flores. Immediately was like, come on. Like, no, we're not going to do. We're not doing this guys. The man is 62. Like, that is my big, like a lot of people are on the big trailer, triller hype and everything. I'm not a fan.

The man, 62, Evander Holyfield never should step inside the squared circle. It was not fun to watch. But Casey, you're in your immediate reaction after watching Evander Holyfield lose to Vitor Bell for it. If, okay, as far as, this fight even being sanctioned. Yeah, it was a disgrace. And this is, and not because

Evander's age, but because it was, the proper testing wasn't done. And if, if, if, if, if this fight, this fight could have happened in California, but it would take, it would take the proper amount of testing. I'm not sure how long it would take. I mean, you guys know, but I know you have to do a lot more testing. Like,

even if you're over 40, like, you know, for 40, you know, you have to take lots, much, twice as many more tests, whatever. But especially at his age, it just, there's no way Florida did that. So,

so, Bander didn't do the proper testing. There's no way he had a proper training camp, you know, healthy or not healthy. And he's going against freaking Vitor Belfort with Florida's commission's testing, you know,

so, yeah, it was, it was kind of, it was, it was a bit of a shit show happening. But I was pretty positive. I actually picked Holyfield coming into this

because I thought, I was like, Holyfield, he cares so much about his legacy. The people around him care about him too much. You're not going to just let this old man, even though he looks in remarkable shape. This is not going to let this old man get out there in front of Vitor Belfort. I thought we were going to see our previous show, I thought it was going to be a really bad eight rounds of boring clench work, boxing clinch work, you know, just kind of hold the arms and things like that. Like when the clitchcoes were kind of running amok, you know.

Very, very just kind of boring heavyweight boxing. That's why I predicted. But unfortunately, we got something. much worse, and that was just a clearly shot Evander Holyfield against a very excited beat toward Bouther, and that's what we got, and we saw it, and congratulations to the ref for saving

a band of Holyfield from long-term damage. That was, that's, as a fan of violence, yes, I wanted that fight to go longer. As a fan of not people dying, I'm very happy the ref did what he did, because that was, to me, that was very much like, when you watch like amateur MMA or very low level pro MMA, the refs don't give you that same leash that you get like in championship fights or anything like that.

So if you're wondering why the stoppage, I promise you it was because of the age of Vandah Holyfield, not necessarily because he was taking the hardest shots. It was simply his age and, yeah, safety first. The long-term damage is there, though. I mean, oh, yeah. It's to what degree after this fight, we don't know. But the long-term damage is already there. Already there.

Ander is not, you know, this is not going to get any better for him. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so I don't know how versed you are with Evander Holyfield's career, but his great, the greatest, one of the greatest heavyweight fights in the history of boxing was his fight against Radic Bo. And that was 30 years ago. It was 30 years ago. And he's just, he's fighting now. And that fight, like, I lose brains.

I was watching that fight. And like because it is so violent. And I'm like physically exhausted watching that. When he fought George Foreman in 91, everyone thought that was going to be George Foreman's last. Because George Foreman came out of retirement, like after like, what, 10 years. Everyone thought it was going to be George Foreman's last hurrah in boxing. And George Foreman was 42 when he fought at Vander Holyfield. How was the Valent Holyfield right now?

Like 56. 58? 58. 58. Coach are 59. Yeah. What are we doing? Four years younger than the guy you were.

were talking about. What are we doing? Yeah. Like, yeah, it's, I didn't, that's the question. What are we doing? What are we? Well, here's, here's what we're doing. We're producing content. You know, people need live sports. And there are, there's a market for this. How big the market, I don't, I don't know from our site traffic. I would say that this, this was an event of moderate interest. It It wasn't a Jake Paul fight. It wasn't a Logan Paul fight. But there is a market for this. If Dana and the UFC and other boxing promoters,

legit boxing promoters are pursuing the competitive aspect of this, there will always be a market for this other stuff, this celebrity stuff, and even more so now. So it's just a matter of how big of a market. And I think that Triller ultimately is trying to build up their content library so they can go public, you know, get more people get more money in finance finance more of this and then turn the company over sell it turn it over to the next person that's that's what i think it is well i on that real quick on the

triller thing i i had heard a few like when when trillard first launched that a lot of people were under the assumption because remember when there was that whole ticot controversy with like like it was made in china and like there was like a lot of like paranoia about stealing data and everything Triller thought they could be they could take TikTok's place and TikTok disappeared. But once TikTok disappeared, Triller had nowhere to go. So they kind of just found a new route. So you could very well be right, Stephen.

Anyway, Casey, I'm sorry to interrupt what we said. This is a big what if. But how different are we looking at tonight if Oscar doesn't get COVID? If this fight is right down the street at the forum, I mean, I'm sorry, the forum at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. You know, it just, I really, But that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's

that's that's that's that's that's that's you have to be prepared for something like this. Did the did the did you think Triller made a mistake by not canceling the event or moving the event or delaying the event which is what I expected or is it there was this the right decision to put a van der holafeld in there move it across the country to you know essentially if they went ahead of LA I mean Oscar Dela Hoy there's a freaking statue of Oscar in front of the Staples Center and there have been so much media that the buzz would have been so much different I'm sure the uh the uh the performance

performers would have been different, the celebrities would have been different, the staging wouldn't have felt different. Everything would have felt different. Even Tito being from Huntington, which has had a different fill. And Anderson lives in L.A., doesn't he? Anderson lives in here. Yeah. So did the Triller make a mistake by going with this? I mean, I don't know the deep money contracts up. Did they have to do it? I don't know that. But if they had a choice, do you think they made a mistake doing this event? At Desjardin Insurance, we put the care in taking care of business. Your business to be exact.

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Did you guys feel that way? It didn't feel like a triller event. It felt like I watched BKFC last night, and it didn't look that much different from BKFC, honestly. They had a little more pyro here and obviously the performers, but essentially it felt the same. It felt like the same amount of people, the same energy. I think they spent so much time promoting holding an event on the anniversary of September 11th that they were not going to cancel it. Yeah, I mean, that's...

And then once you get the president, the former president of the United States involved and Hori Mosviel doing commentary next to him and everything. And I don't know if I don't think they viewed this as a boxing event, truly. I think they just viewed it as this big conglomerate of chaos that they could just get a bunch of eyeballs on the product. And then boxing events happened to be there. It's such a different way they approach these fights. Triller approaches this fight, say, versus how we saw Showtime, just a couple weeks approach Woodley and Woody and Paul.

Yeah, Willie and Paul. It's just, I think they tried their best, and I think they did a good job of making this, this is legit athletic, a legit athletic boxing event. While this, like you said, this isn't a boxing event. It's just celebrities hitting each other kind of.

I thought one of the outside of the actual fighters that lost, this today, the biggest loser, I think, was Tiafima Lopez. They didn't plug him. They barely plugged him. He's fighting on Triller, and he could be the best boxer in the world. He's 24. That Joe and Joe Rule.

That's a fight on high for. I didn't even know that was happening. I was about to say that. Like, Tifima Lopez beats H. You're right. You're right. Like, Casey, we were on the A side, and I presented a bunch of names to Andreas Hale, who was very much more embedded into the boxing world than all of us.

Like, I'm a big fan of boxing. but like it's his job to cover boxing and I was like Ryan Garcia Tfima Lopez Lomachenko David Haney Ryan Garcia like these are the futures of boxing maybe not Lomachenko but like everyone else I understand and he's like Tfima Lopez will be the best of all of it and he's fighting on Triller it's George Campos who a lot of people aren't giving him credit like a chance to win but those two have done such a good job of building this fight themselves without Triller. I can't and then that

Like what Casey said, what did we play, Jarl Ruh and Fat Joe? Yeah. Or Deerfiela Lopez? Like, what are we doing? I watched like 10 minutes of Jarl

talking to his camera and fat Joe sitting in his car talking to his camera, talking to his camera phone. I was like, I was like, I didn't know, I was like,

I didn't know, I was like, what's going on? Apparently they're fighting Tuesday? I don't know. Do you know when Tiafima Lopez fights George Gombososos case? No clue. October 5th on Triller.

That's, that's a rumor. I think, I can't be true. Well, if it has the vibe of a promotion that's sort of shooting from the hip, probably because they are. I mean, look, they started this thing not too long ago. They started, they're now in the combat sports world,

and there are a lot of challenges to running a show and running a consistent show. With consistent talent, getting people interested, keeping your margins in check. I mean, all of these things, that's why so many companies, you know, They get in the business and they suddenly flame out. And they seem to be spending a lot of money. That's what I, that's, that's, that's what concerns me if I'm concerned at all about that. Because, you know, fighters need places to fight. And more specifically, the combat sports industry needs whales.

And Triller is a whale. And I wanted to stay in business because it obviously gives us more traffic and it, you know, stays in business and, you know, gives, gives a place to people to fight. and you know competition is good in this game yeah it is yeah it is um but they are doing this under a tremendous amount of scrutiny to their credit i mean they're basically trying to create something from scratch right yeah you know like a combat sports platform from scratch uh that they that wasn't their core competency when they first got into it so

i think you know as long as they stay in business and don't screw it up too bad we need to give them a little bit of a pass sometimes, but they still should have never, ever licensed Evander Holyfield. Yeah. They should not do that anymore. Yeah, I mean, I was actually, I know a lot of people, you know,

MMA fans kind of crapped on trailer for like the Paul Ascran show, which I think most of the fans, MMA fans watch. And they were like, oh, these musical acts, you know, you know, all this stuff, you know, slapboxing. But, you know, I didn't really crap on it. I thought it was, I admired them, of what Trudeau was trying to do.

I think they kind of went too far and had to kind of come back a little bit. But yeah, they kind of, I don't want to say blew it. But things happened. Oscar got COVID. Like one thing happened. Oscar got COVID. And that just kind of imploded the entire show with, they rushed it. And it felt rushed.

And this is what we got tonight. And, yeah, it couldn't have been, like, Evander Holdfield could have knocked out B-Tor, maybe, or something. Maybe we have a different, the tone is totally different, but it didn't happen. We saw kind of a worst case scenario almost. The referee saved the worst case scenario, to be honest. So, yeah, bad night for a team. According to Vitor, Oscar Delhoea is the happiest man in the world tonight because he didn't have to fight Vitor Bell for him.

I'm like, yeah, he's alive. He survived COVID. I would be happy too, my guy. Do we want to see that? Is that something? Yeah. Do you, Oscar, Brent? I think that's the fight that they shouldn't make.

Me too. They were, they were slayed. They're like, how old's Oscar, I don't know. 48, 47? He's much more closer. He's not even 58. He's much closer. It's a Vitor.

Vitor's age. And I know, Casey, I believe he shot it backstage. Was it in L.A. When he was getting real emotional backstage. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was real weird, but I got much more interested in the fight after seeing that because of how emotional Oscar got thinking about the fight. So I'm still on, I still want to see that fight because to me, I could look past the, the quote-unquote circus aspect of Vitor Oscar because they're much more closer to age and weight.

Yeah. And I want to see Triller do a proper show. Like what they, what they kind of, I think what their brand is, you know, which is definitely putting a lot more entertainment into the fight night, which is fine. That's, if that's your thing, that's your thing. You know, I know UFC is kind of the anti-fun league, you know, and Trillard. wants to throw all the fun in there. So I want to see it. I want to see it done in LA.

I want to see it done with a real venue with, you know, full of fans. And we'll go from there. I agree with everything. Do you guys pick Oscar over Vitor if it happens? Man, I don't know. I don't know. And I, not that Oscar is not a better boxer, but we've seen a few UFC fighters that have come back from COVID.

And they lose and they say, I'm, I still feel it. Like, I René Aldana on Fight Island was like, I'm still feeling the effects when she, when she, and she lost to Holly Holmes. So I don't know.

Pre-COVID, I favored Oscar pre-COVID, but after he went, like he was, his symptoms were not asymptomatic. Like, he was on his foot. He was in the hospital,

like laying on his back. So I don't know. I have absolutely no idea. It's, the odds are closer now. I was very heavily in the Oscar camp, but now I'm like, oh, no.

And Bitor, look, look good. It was hard to tell. Vitor's always had like lightning fast hands. Like even in the UFC, like that was kind of his thing. Does he that early? Yeah, that early.

Exactly. Could he sting Oscar early? Probably. But I don't know. Like, like Stephen was saying like Evander, you watched his open workout. He clearly his reflexes and his Twitch and everything were not there. I don't know about Oscar. We didn't get to see that open workout with him.

We've seen him punch pads on his Instagram. We haven't seen him in an open workout yet. Yeah. The mystery's still there, so I think there's some intrigue there, and now Triller has footage, you know, they can kind of, you know, sell the Oscar fight with. So who knows? We'll see. It's see if Jake Paul takes a bet and see if all his YouTube, his YouTube, uh, no, I'm not going there. Also, David Hay fought on the prelims. That was weird. David Hay is one of the best heavyways, like last 15 years. And he fought on the undercard. Did he retire? I, when they said... Yeah, he retired three years ago. That's why I thought.

I was like, David, Hey, whoever heard that name before? David Hay is really good. Yeah, I was like, yeah. I just haven't heard his name at all in a while. David, hey, do you remember when he, do you know who Derek Chazore is, Casey? No.

He's a very brash, British heavyweight who walks out of a press conference because he realized at the press conference that he was the co-main event. And he goes, I'm not fighting. And he just left. And he goes, I'm, it's like, you're selling out this arena because of me. If I don't get paid, I'm leaving.

And then he just walked away. David Hay broke a bottle on his face during a press conference. Like, that's, like, David Hay is about that life. He's also one of the best, he's basically like the Dan Hardy of the boxing world. Like he was a former boxer that was very, very talented and then transitions over to the media.

And he is phenomenal. David Hay is phenomenal at his job. I can't say why I couldn't believe he came out of retirement. And then he called out Tyson Fury because they were supposed to fight three times and David Hay pulled out of every single one. So you're not going to get that. Anyway.

It was fun. It was fun watching David Hay just do. his low head movements. I'm like, hey, you know, this is fun. I get to know he was fighting. It's fun watching Boxer's school other people and just use their boxing. That's fun to watch. Yeah, and he's also, yeah, I can't believe I didn't know he was fun until like today.

Anyway, that is neither here nor that. Stephen, any final thoughts on the quote unquote circus that was Triller Fight Club? Was it Triller Fight Club Legends? Is that what they called it? Legends 2, I think. Ah. Because Legends 1 was Tyson versus Johnson. Yep.

You're right. Yeah. And my final thought would be, Triller, hire, better security guards that intervene sooner when idiots start screaming stuff. Ooh, yeah. I don't want to bring that out, but yeah.

If you're there in attendance, don't start screaming things during a 10-bell salute for the anniversary of 9-11. Doesn't look great. Does not look great. And then, but then all the comments on Twitter, because I was like still kind of monitoring on Twitter, all of them were like, yeah, well, it's Florida.

How far has Florida sunk? You've been to Florida so many times. So I think you've just kind of been inoculated to Florida, but I'm still shocked by Florida when Florida Florida is itself. Such is life. Anyway, Casey, any final thoughts on the circus? To make his circuses like bad. We love the circus.

Circus are fun. I give him circus a bad name. So that's all. So not the best night for Triller. Great night for Andrews to Silva. Good night for Vitor. But, yeah, Triller just, they are not the type of promotion that can throw a show like this together. They're not the UFC.

They're not the UFC. UFC, they moved a show from Vegas to L.A. in a week. And that's just four hours away. I don't think the UFC even could go across the country in a week. So I think the Triller just. got way too ambitious of what they wanted to do. And what the circumstances gave them. So hopefully they're, I want them to stay around.

I'm not, I'm not, I don't hate children. I like, I like different looks. I like, they have their own look. Their shows look different and that's so important to me. And tonight's show didn't look that way. And I'm, I'm assuming that's all because they're the big move. So, um, I'll give them a mole again. So, yeah.

Well, they've lasted longer than affliction. So they got that going for him. Yeah. Anyway. Anyway. For Jose, that's Stephen. That's Casey. Once we wrap here, you can, of course, go on to our YouTube page, watch the Post-Fite

Press conference. I believe Mike Kett got a one-on-one with Anderson Silva. I do not know if he got one with Vito. I know he was trying, but he said he got one with Anderson-Silva. So be on the lookout for that. I'm sure Stephen will have some write-ups on the entire night of the circus. Our colleague, Sean Al-Shadi, has a nice little feature coming, too. So until next time, this has been Jose Stephen and Casey.

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