MMA Fighting - Trocação Franca | Alex Poatan abre o jogo: Adesanya, Blachowicz, Tyson Fury e muito mais

Episode Date: June 2, 2023

Edição extra do Trocação Franca nessa semana para receber Alex Poatan, ex-campeão dos médios do UFC que estreia em nova categoria diante de Jan Blachowicz. Em um papo franco, Poatan falou da rivalidade com Israel Adesanya, o acordo para disputar o cinturão dos meio-pesados em caso de vitória em julho, o encontro com Tyson Fury na Austrália (e Adesanya no aeroporto), a chegada de um velho rival do kickboxing ao MMA, e muito mais. O melhor do MMA brasileiro no Trocação Franca, toda semana, com o jornalista Guilherme Cruz e convidados. Trocação Franca is back (again) this week for a special edition with Alex Pereira, former UFC middleweight champion who makes his 205-pound debut opposite Jan Blachowicz. “Poatan” opened up on his rivalry with Israel Adesanya, the agreement to challenge for the light heavyweight gold with a win in July, meeting boxing legend Tyson Fury in Australia (and Adesanya at the airport), the upcoming MMA debut of an old kickboxing foe, and much more. Listen to Trocação Franca with Guilherme Cruz every week to hear from the biggest names on the hottest topics in the Brazilian combat sports world. Follow Guilherme Cruz @Guicruzzz Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Cruz. Hello, the other friend of the first episode of the podcast Trocaation Franca,

a new house about this important to this is a American American M.M.A. in Brazil and I'm going to

this week on this week of a podcast. That's a maluccoct four and it's a

other day, it's a show, the company of Alix Poatan, ex-campion of the MADs of FEC,

who sobe the next to come to meet to end up so we're so let me see just in my

interview with the other Dan, now we have Alex Fortan, who on the day 29th of July, the return the Octagon of the UFC now on a new different, a category

of the same against him over Havlovitz, justriando, contra the ex-compeer one of the best-combe to the podcast

how we're being back the podcast, now this camp, of the video that I did, the first thing I did, then, before the last

last month, then, think, recuperate, recuperate, recuperate the recuperate the body, recuperate,

it was perfect. Everything that I did until now, I'm initiating those trainings, now I'm made two months, I'm not even

my own years, and I'm going to NRAC to do the continuity to do my training. This week, but in a

little bit of a little bit of a part of, and decided to get to get to the category? Because

after the whole lot, a lot, many people had had a roteer to make a trilogy direct

with Adesania, you I've already messages on the social, one provoking another, he's

talking to about the trilogy, but what did you make this decision to get a decision to see the

decision to get to the cost of the cost of a piece, it's a little because,

I've done this many, many years, I'm a career, I think I've been

so 40 or 50 or 50 times and for 81 kilos I did this eight times

so it came a limit, you know, I need of a time

to to be to be to get to be, but in a other category. It's to get to make a cut, so

it's minus 9 kilos to me to lose. So, it's going to

make a difference. So I had said that you having, and I going to

go sub-to weight. It was what I was what I did do, and I'm

doing. You, you want to give a time, this means that

your plan is to go back to all the depends of how

will be your success in the 3, too, I mean.

This all depends on this new category. I can day 29, yeah, of July, I can do

this piece, but not it's the time, I want, this decance, this cut of this, so I

can't do it, it's difficult? Yeah, it's always was difficult, but I can't, so I want to

do how it's going to see how it will be this new category, and then then I

don't know, maybe I maybe I do this maybe I, I do, more one a lot in the med, I don't

see. Nessus, in these these last few years, I'm in the last the last year, how it's been the life for

you, it's not, you know, you know, that you're not going to cut more to 8,4, no day-a-day, what you

can be eating, yeah, for example, you're going to be not at 9-3, you're, you are, you would be able,

if you would if in the final of July was, if you would be in more than you would be in this point,

so, no, I'm the same the, I'm not I'm going to do different. It's not

it's no, I'm going to go up a category, now I can't eat more,

I can't get more more than I'm going to get the same so it's so it's so I'm

maintaining the same the difference will have that I'm need to I don't need to

this cut in the time of the lot of so that's 10 kilos 10 kilos

in in the last in the the day of the day of the day the day

the day of a total 18 kilos, so I don't want more this, for the most

now, so I'm so I'm going to resolve sub-d-categoria and, for me, it's a better than

you'd be able to do you're in that's a lot. So, really a thing a really a thing that

really, yeah, yeah, in my penitima when I didn't six kilos,

for eight, four, uh, eight, three, nine hundred, so, Kilo,

for 84 kilos. So, even so, even so still, it's much. Now, it's totally different.

What happens? When I'm, to be to go to the middle, I have to make a little more

rigid, a few more some months before. Now, I'm going to eat well, I'm

about a carbohydrate, I'm going to eat all, and I'm not going to have this time in

more four seven, like now, I'm, so, I'd say, eight seven. So,

now I'd be eating, I'd be well, but, well, if I'm for there,

I'm not I'm not so, I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm a good,

and a good, and healthy. I don't want to this parable, so, for me, it's a

idea, to be to be at the night in the night, the night, between

100 and 102 kilos, in the this division of the middle pesed, it's,

not It's a good parcel. It's almost mostly peses that can cut to not in

so you have chance to confrontal someone, and a difference of a more than you have been

in other visions, you think, you know, that should be a question of a force? No,

a grab in the wrestling? No, for me it is a most that the guy had 10 kilos

on the same year, I'm with this is not to make difference no,

to be so, I'm saying, I'm by back the guy more It's a bit more difficult.

It would be the situation, but it's a situation to me have this disgust, so I'm getting to be, so I'm trying, so it's going to happen, okay, but not it's, it's, it's that's going to be prender, and I'm going to keep in that situation the time total. I can't even, I can't stay.

And it's a person that's always that's a guy who's a champion in this division, right? Yeah, I'm accustomed, yeah, I've said, I've said, this will be made me make sure, you imagine there's a day before you

do you're doing a little sacrifice to to lose on another day, then you do dohmetri

there, the braus you know, the braus just, not that you will be not that you

feel, imagine if for the cause of the per cause of a perker of a sport of

a high rendement you have a quality there not to not put in 10%

a more more? It's We'll put two, three, four, four, ten percent, I'd say, I'd like I'd like ten, but I'd have certain that in terms, in terms of, in a condition physical, I'll have much more of 10%. And I imagine, too, it's a good, to be too, to the out-reendment. Yeah, I imagine that the question of the,

the court of the peers, too, is it more a thing mental for you have to be preoccupy, you know, because you're in a semester of the front, and you're not talking just on your adversary, cord of weight of taking this from a equation,

you're going to start in a fight week just just thinking in Blahovice you know, you can't think to eat

this, I can't me atrapari and it's and it's far far back my car with a

person person professional, if you don't think of this policeia you're going to come a biter

a bad and it's going to make a lot to make a different than when you try a

So, I don't have this problem and I don't do this problem, and I'm going to do you know, like I'm

going to be a category now I'm I can't eat, I'm going to eat food food and I'm

going to come up a quantity more now and I'm going to get more more important

a lot of a lot of a lot of a great importantism a new when you know,

many people mentioned the name on the social, even the champion did the

video there made him the the name of Blavito was the only that came to you, or the FCC came to talk with you about you about other possibilities,

and that not rolled and it was the Blahovitz? No, it was not that came, the, my members of the

people, the first name was Blavit, had said, the, Ankalaev, and even, and even,

and, and, and, when I said, the barrovite, I said, po, a lot,

a lot, like, a lot, good. Perigosa, but good. P,

ex-campion, a story that everyone knows, I'm going to get in a category, if it was

a surprise for someone, I just lamented, because they'd be in this parado,

I'd know, to do that Lippe to enduron, you know, this is this is

this is story, you know, what I built in the middle, and it

will be so in a me a me a bit a through all that I

built in the kick-box, my story is a gigadess, you know? So I'm not going to get there, like if all the world gets, you know?

There are some people who, maybe if, if, if, is, if I'm going to get in the

heads, yeah, it's, it's never will be anybody in life, you know,

the people have to understand this. Each one has a story, you know, a guy experienced, an event

great, with the other, with the other, big, big, And, poor,

I've got me and put it in the people are the ones, understand. If you do this with any of one, okay, it's quite

it's quite but it's been difficult, so, so each one has to understand the moment certain,

and the moment for me, is right, the moment, right, is the feeling to say that

that's, that's that I'm, that's, that you could have, that you could have,

you were not not as much, that I'm not insuredia, that I'm some people talking, the guy,

the guy came a guy, the guy came I don't if does this with me, I don't accept, I want to do

a pass-in-a-one to start there in-batch, boy, I don't believe. I don't believe. I don't believe. I don't know what I'm trying to a guy, the guy has 12 luts of M-MA,

invicto, you want to enter from a contender or direct in the F.C. No, I pass of every, I'm going to get to the Mondebt in the MECD. If I'm going to pass, then I go,

then it's guaranteed. Then the guy, the guy will think to what? Cater or the FC? Poh, if I go to the contender and you'd

get in a contender, because it's probable if I were if I was in, then it's, then it's, then how what I'm going to do?

I'm going to do. I'm doing, the air, the car, oh, how it's, how it's going to be. The car,

there's a car, the carmiel of his, so, the people are a little apoptor,

I don't know that's a word, correct, but, of, you know, that's a part of,

you know, that's that I'm not going to get some, some things that I'm okay, I'm I'm,

I'm doing with my team, my employees, together, with the organization, all the people accepted, porra,

have a good salary, do my job, Dana-Ot this day I'm not the time as the

job, that's good, I'm not, it's a because I'm a guy that, I'm a guy who, I'm going to

reclassed the and I'm going to and it's just man. You imagine that's even had ever had had been over

this figure because he's a guy who's he's got to a grand the lot, finalized he turned a

champion, yeah, imagine that he had done the pull of the gato and he's he's a

good he's very he does this he does this well, he does this when he's never when he

he's always he said he's always give him and I always So what he has said

I'm talking, it's all right, it's obvious that was a feedback of the lot of the

but I have a style different so we'll we'll move some things for the things

be better so so, so, so, I'm I studied, so I

saw, I've seen some some he's to train with with him,

but now it's not the world to have to be a other vision. So,

the games were completely different The Glover was a guy that has that's a game of wrestling,

to press, to put a barack, and pound and it's all, and it's never you're gonna do you, do you know,

what he tried to do you do that, and he's gonna do the other, Adesani, have styles, but more

that's different, are different, are guys of different, are, and he could be annular when the decenia

subed to do the person, you expect that he entered in a lute trying to try to do you

try to try to I'm, I was there's a lot of the Blalvite Adesania.

I thought that the Adesania he controlled much the game and gave the opportunity to

do the he did the lot of the pal at and then he had this great advantage

putting him to be back back and he made because he didn't make a

much but he did he did make sure so if the only

was a little more aggressive but he not he was a more

aggressive maybe he could do you do. And what the principal arm, he? What the great power that you see the great perigo that the Blavich

does for you in this lot? It's a kind of, or it's a trocaation, it's to be a pesado? All the place is perigoso. The guy's in-pair, it's a shot, a man the car that's right there. It's complicated.

A guy strong, a guy is experienced, a guy can't me put to look to back. This is some possibilities. So I think it's a guy complete and I see the periguing in all.

The Daniel Cormia, in the program he commented recently, I don't see if you see about this

lot of this lot of the really that's a lot of a lot of bad too much he's a knockouted the

localeau the local the locale the guy quite decapital the people and said that for

you've been bambiated with he's been a lot of you think it's what you think you

think you have this comment there? There's a have a fund of reason what you think you

do the secondary of him? Ah, no, he no, he no-couted all the he'd do you know,

I think no, so if was a guy that had been caught to be in a boy,

but not it's a not-dor, a lot-totor normal, you know, a ex-campion, an experienced

perigoso, many people say, oh, poh, it's been no-gauted more,

it's not more, but I, I got two days of Desania no kick-B box, one in M.A.

One-M.- a-cout-s, sinister, was a kickbox, also, ballon of oxygen and all the and all right,

and he got it in me. Adesana provo, that what I mean said, it's not

many people think, but if you are a man frake, then it's into your mind,

and then you get to get to the guy, but you know, but no exists this,

man, you know, you have a recuperation, you received a cop, logic, it's obvious,

this, it's prejudicor, in some moment, maybe if, maybe if the day

or in the second the second or in the second, if you will try a porrata if you will try a more than a more than a problem, but I think the form that I did,

the recuperation that I did, everything I did be perfect. So I think if he'd just have a hand and I would be to go to

get to get it. Not because I didn't, because I did that you know. For your story, in the category, in the categories, in the

glory and all right, it's to imagine that when you're not going to be not the carotia it, you you can't

I think to get a chance of the centuron, Neuilar, he said recently, that he has a quarter of the UFC that if he wins this a lot, he dispute the centuron, for you think

that's the same thing, have a conversation, or have your expectation of this battle, you're going to be this battle,

I'm going to be in the centuron. Yeah, was recorded with the UFC also, the other than, yeah,

it's, those, those people have, no, because I don't have, I don't have no contact

direct with nobody, so what they what they're what they say, what they're what they're There's even a narrative there constructed,

yeah, car. Porcero Jamal, Rio, that in January, gained the Glover in the Rio, you were there, there was a moment that was, you were the moment,

that's, you know, but you're in a story constructed, for, would be, would be, a lot of this

battle, yeah, well, I think it's a lot that will be very very, it's,

I'm, I think, I think he will be, will, I'm, I'm going to look to,

I'll look at, I'll talk for he to get, because it's a lute that's a lot that would be a lot of

I wanted, even if you were to try to Rask and Jamal, I would I would I'd like

a lot of a lot of a lot of more complicated than the Blalvitz or not? Jamal? Yeah.

I think the Blalvitz is more technical, he's more malucan, more doodown, you know,

bathe, so me abet so, me abet, that is perigoso, but at the same time, for me, it's very good.

Yeah. And I'm talking about a little bit about this viage that you did recently in Australia, you know, I've posted on the

social media, the country, the first, what you were doing Australia? How is, do you know, did you know,

did you know, so it's brought up in this roley alliotory, you know, I've been a compromises, there,

seminars, interviews, interviews, podcast, is, dinner, with the people there, the elite,

and it was a day of a year a day of courried, I'd say to the hotel the last coming to the hotel because we'd

always be in and going to go back. There'd be a day to come in the hotel just a night so, so a night. So, we'd

a lot of box there, an event of box, it was to me, to have been to because of the courier, not did,

but the Tice The Fiole, he was in the same hotel. And then I had been able to get, the Pino was there was a child, he said,

Poh, Tachio, he's here. He's going going to be, but I'm just to take a photo and all, poe, and I,

I decided, I had got to get out of, and then, and then I went to to do a photo, and said,

some other things there, and it was a lot, the people, the time, there, was much commented,

know, about the time, and the Tatiiro is a, is high, and you know, I'm practically

the same he's a little more high, but I think in the paper is a small that I think it's a bit more

bad, he's a lot of he's a 98, 1,99, no see. And, boy, imagine that

for you have been been been been very pretty, poor, I'm, so Tysson

Fee, who is the champion piece pesed, not, no, number one, but,

I'm going just, go, I can't do when you can come down to do when you

recognition of the car. No, it was very cool, man, boy, we, after I posted, you know,

everyone, everyone, everyone, saw, and, oh, admired, yeah,

the son, yeah, the same, the man, the guy, I know, I like the style of

the guy intelligent, there, a guy who was in a man, a man, a man,

a man, and I was there, and I'm, and many people, too, so,

so, so, and I'm, so, with these with these with this landas,

and the I've sent me a message that's giving us the time with those people in the beginning I was in the

year I was there was there that was there was a little bourbonne to he was he would be to the box

what he would do you have to do he'd have he said he had to infant him he'd

and then I I'd I'd ask you you'd say that for him would be to box if he was he

was a guy of you know the time of you know the you'd like you'd he's not go to

box you're going to get to get to get to a movie with a

question with a question, I'm a I'm a man, I'm not because

he's he's the my time, yeah, he's my time, he's

a experience that the kind of imagine to be a round,

puth a time all you know you can get the car in any

moment when there when there when there put the part you're apart

and par half hour of half very complicated. And the Ty's

Firoiris is a movement a lot very, a man, he's a good,

so I think I'm not this, I'm a lot complicated. You're being the same time

to imagine a future you can be a or is it's too? I don't

don't, I don't know, I don't know, things that were in a person,

I'm in so, I'm in the kind of me too, like, I remember what I said, I thought I said with you, I think of

you know, I said to be, and it was going to be, and it was going to be, and it came to moment, you know, it's a moment, I'm, but, it was a man, I don't want, but I didn't want, you, know, a story that I

have, you know, in this category of the back, and then, so, the, person, peserado, it's a little bit longer, you know, this thing, so, but,

but, you know, I'm sorry, I don't know, I don't see, I don't know, and this same voyage, I think was in the

Vowalda, he was in those posting on Instagram and like, how you know, how you did you discover

who was in the airport, he was doing the post of his social, or he was he went to he was in Australia too? He was in the

same hotel. The time that I was there, some people who, who, who were with him

there, he was with him oh, he just you'd go to get some

minute before you're in a minute there's in a moment on the moment in a year we're in

New York we got in a field there and we're compliment we're doing risada so we

we're we're we're we're we're coming to come to fill and then

I said I'm playing oh Pino oh Pino we can't we can't make a Pino

said he's I was thinking in this yeah. We did I did it first, he was,

he was, he went to do the zoom and it was great, it was a cool, it was a

impression, that's, you never was a relation of you like, it was a thing,

it's a point, it's a point, that's it's not the reaction that

didn't feel like people, I'm people, but the relationship, especially

the last of them, yeah, that there'd have been much amagued, the derotas.

The rivalry still is, or the rivalry or is the last one of the car, the rivalry always will

be like now, I'm going to get a rivalid with the guy that I will know,

because the guy's like, the guy, wants me to get me to get me and I want,

how I'm how I'm how I'm to try the man? You know, it's been true

then, so, one example, if I was if I was going to go to with him

another but But now, for what? We're going to see to find out, I'm going, the Adelairene is there for an athlete of the team of his. And I'm in the same situation.

A we don't put to see and we'll start with doing everything, will say, dying a porras? This no exists, you know? So, this type of rivalry, this type of rivality with me,

not exists. Portas abertas for a third-luta in the UFC, then, yeah, who, who knows? Who, But if roll out, it would be 9-3 or 8-4?

Also, it's not-to-know-safe? Not-to-know-factory. I don't know. But, like I said, for me to go to 8-4, I can't do this, always, always for the day 29,

of July, if it was to be to be to be, but, as, I said, I have to have this discance, this cut of the

piece, so, so, so, so, so, I'm doing, in this category,

I don't know what can can happen but I think it's I think it's recuperated to make a

lot of eight to know. And for talking to rivalities, these days I've

conversed with the team Daukens Varyth that's the old an adversary in the

glory and he will start in MMA now this year next next yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what you think you this this

thing of this sport then you think the job of the game is a game

to tends a to casas a me-a? Car, no, not to

know, like to get to get a sometimes, the car supern- and looking

looking, so, it's difficult, you know, when he was like, when he was a

very much a way, so I know, I'm not, so I know,

the people critic, but then have been to be half-me- -me-a-me- -l-

then, then, I don't know how he will lead with with this situation,

and have to see how to go to the game of the and this transition to be

to be a bit of and that the end up or defend I'm when I'm migreed,

I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna and yeah and I trainable a time

also so for me it was more people, I think it's like oh

it was it's oh, it's no, I'm not not 100%

but but yeah had had a time yeah I'm for that

the people think the people think it's a he's going to see he was doing this he's

if he really he decided now and he will and will do the first

his first his yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah I think it's I think it's a more more more complicated

and and everything it's also it's he will because

if if all so just people who people in kickboxing or in other modality,

that's not a car in card to get a guy to get into back, he's a guy of jujitz. And then it's a lot

to the other and I think will be a bad over, you know, and so for we'll finish to you

liberate here in this we're in a few days too, the return Amanda Nunes

and A. N. in the same car of Charles of Bronx infighting finally then the

Dariuz. I'd hear your opinion these two two two have the Brazilian people who are depending on the Citadel and the other is Chalice,

is the new chance in a case of victory with Darius. Yeah, poor, Chalves is a guy who's a guy who has a story very beautiful, it's a living difficult, and now, this next fight, I think

it's a part of a certain, I think it should be all, all pre-plained, as I do, I see that the company, the team of their have much moral,

uh, in the organization. So they have a conversation very good and say, I want to do a lot so I'm going to after after I'm going to be a lot of

a lot of a lot of a lot of a lot but it's just a man, the guy was the man who's not there's not there's

he's going to be always in the same and will be getting the better than I'm with him I'm with

Charles and poor I'm I'm Amanda contrae the herera Aldana

I mean I don't I don't know I'm a manna I know I see the Amanda I'm a manna a boy I'm a sinister I'm bad hard

yeah also there's a there's a story in the organization and it's always always doing a show and also I'm with her

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