MMA Fighting - Trocação Franca | Cordeiro avalia Dariush x Do Bronx, Preguiça mira Gordon Ryan e MMA

Episode Date: March 22, 2023

Rafael Cordeiro fala ao podcast sobre a preparação de Beneil Dariush para o desafio com Charles do Bronx no UFC 288 e os próximos passos de atletas da equipe, além de prever um caminho duro para Conor McGregor caso volte ao peso leve. Felipe Preguiça, um dos principais nomes do país no grappling, comenta expectativa para nova luta com o arquirrival Gordon Ryan e os planos de transição para o MMA. O melhor do MMA brasileiro no Trocação Franca, toda semana, com o jornalista Guilherme Cruz e convidados. Rafael Cordeiro breaks down Beneil Dariush’s preparation to face Charles Oliveira at UFC 288 and next steps for other Kings MMA athletes — he also predicts a hard time for Conor McGregor if he ever goes back to lightweight. Top Brazilian grappler Felipe ‘Preguiça’ Pena talks about getting a new match booked against his longtime rival Gordon Ryan and future MMA plans. Listen to Trocação Franca with Guilherme Cruz every week to hear from the biggest names on the hottest topics in the Brazilian combat sports world. Follow Guilherme Cruz @Guicruzzz Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Seniors and Seniors, in command of the podcast Trocaation Franca and representing the M.M.A. Fighting in Brazil,

Guillem Cruz! Hello, Lobico, fan of the lastogesm episode of the podcast Trocaption Franca, A Suh,

your house about this MMA in this immense bodofferra. I'm Gailam-Cruis, correspondent of the

website American on M.M.I. Fahian in this Qartal in the company of Raphael

Cordero, the trainer of Benile Dariush in the Kings MMA and Phelibu, are one of the most of the mainst of the greatest in the current interview in the first interview is a cordeer who is afiating the arms of Dariush to the fight against Charles of Brons

in the UFC 288 that rolla of 6th in Newark in the United With the United If you're an alerting, a lot important too for Ben and for Charles they came,

it came to final it's a category, in a very difficult that has a champion more 15 cars that any one of them is a lot of dula for any one.

The lot was marked by with Charles, who was the champion former champ and there all to be a great lot.

The BN. Vain and Dene great victories. I think it's the moment to be made, so the two more rankiated

that not were not they're not very excited with this lot. I'm very I'm happy

for the two, knowing that in the final, the two came in the same

the same the same the legal that there's have trash talking. I think that's not

not there's a part not there I think the part of the macaque and the of the gus and those those people

were my annums in the pasted there, we have a great one for other and we

think it's a lot where the better will be going to be prepared, and it's being,

who will be who really who will say winning this or not be the public, will assist you

two cars who will be able to try and try to evolution of how the MMA, because if this

scenario, if he would happen in the decade of 90, it was a war, all, everyone in a lineage in shoot-box

and all, if casasas a lot of this, it would have to, and it would be puth, no, it would be

that's a time, it was the first time this lot, I got Mast D'Am, my master, I said,

I'm trying to cause the Lottes with Kuhn, I'm saying, he said, all, he's all,

it's all this menian there, it's the dream of the two, nobody can't try the of the dream

of the nobody, don't have it's a little bit to get to the centuron. If it's a

lot that doesn't know it's like that it's not really a bit of it's because it's not even

even though Anderson when the first when the first when the first came to the love to the

thing, but there's nothing to but he's part of the academy for a long time when I

cast it put a putt I'm I'm not a lot of this lot. I think not a lot

I'm going to like a joanne I said, I'm going to this lot, I don't want the drama the one of the end up with a

baby. It was a lot that was not not even to do that for Kelle for Kelle's for the

old for the Arnoldson for the star but for Anderson not for the difference and I'm

I'm in final I feel like this this this lute never never happened but

now in the moment that this will happen that this will be the two are new,

probably probably not not be the last they're to be front

as as they're going to make a roadizio very between them for much

time, they're the ones the Charles, the Bennio Macache for the Pauauau

who are talking to the guy, also in the 5-5 there, Justin, the

there, go, for this guy, all this guys, even, so, the Connor,

that's going to talk about to the game there, there, that this

guy will look very much into this is the the this lot will be

a lot that for the Brazilian will be very good to be watching to be a

very much a lot of a lot of a lot of putting to vote to be able to have been to have been

before the I think it's a great lot of God God bless and that God

I'm a sequence absurd yeah nocaughtian finalizing all the world

until he he had to Marathiev and now many many people

have a back with him he entering as a zaron in the luther. How you see

the Charles as a adversary? He was, he was coming very well and getting of many people

but the Marcheve he was a far very dominant and the and the lot,

I was doing certain all the he was doing all the was doing an obstacle on the

way, we've we've got there had been a bit of a lot and he had to

revertecru that's part of the world that's this is a lot of

the lot to know that phases good, phases not too far as in part of the career of any other

this is our sport. Glores, it is good, the detrotas we can't learn a thing to

see what we're to see to be in the great practice that can be and you know,

and you know, you know, you know, I think, it's very important, for the athlete,

to spend one way to learn to the thing that he can't do you can do not so,

but he can't be the part of the part I believe that all the victories and the deroges, that not only the United, that they've were still, they're not.

They're still in the same. They're not going to be able to negative. They're the result of the choice that's the way of their. So, now, I don't believe, the thing favoritism, not think,

not vending this thing, for me, it's for me, it's just to to gain, the money and a post. The Bain, the ultimate battle of Bain, the Bainer, was the Underdog?

I said, Someone came, I said, oh, Ben, Underdog, I said, I said, no, underdog,

I said, boy, when he said, I'm going, I'm going, to do you know, to do you know, and all the

show, out of the show, show, of gas, show of technique, vocalion, Ben, he has a hand,

a man, very pesit on the level of podium, so he could dispute, if he were to dispute, a no-gui

or even, right, go to the podium, for certain. A guy, no, a victory, so he's a beste,

but he's but he's or other skimp. There's going to be one and one one model only one way. I think that's

a great difference. Saber respect the other other side, especially on the other that's too

never for you never think other trainers, other supporters, I think I think that all the point,

it's all that I prefer to never in that will be a grand show, there will be a war of 15 minutes

the winner the winner. You think it's just it dune minutes? Or you see a

because the two athletes, they have the power of the knockout, have shown this along

of the career, and also have the capacity to finalize, you see, when the couple of

the two are there, when the two were there before, you think the BN term in the battle-and-

be a poradaria of three rounds there. It's difficult to pre-ve-e , it's a difficult to be a great

fight, where the two have conditions to end-cabre and who put the first game, and who

getting this to the Tertrown that he's with Marathev, who's got to the Vokanovich in the last month, what you see in

Maratheb? Something of the guy is really in a good sequence. If you look at the time, the he gained,

in the last he had Atta's good, obviously, he was a great victory. And, he's a much

kind of a kind of a table, but there's no can't think it that the guy,

he did a question of the car with the year, you the job perfect to gain

of him, he just had been with a lot not happened, but when it did a lot of it happened,

they split the same when you're a general to confronts someone, so hard than the

Marcheve. There, I repeat, I don't want to be political, I'm not I'm not political,

I'm realist. I'm a political, I am realist. And I think the Bennie has a game

to wince. I believe that he can get to put a great, a great, a great

a great lot, but the our future now is resumed on 6th of May that's the fight,

that's the matter of my part, to say Markachev, that would be a train, a car like the man like the

man being winning, showing that was better, that brought a great show, a great lot,

then I can't respond to Macachev, but now this is for him in Macachette will be an arrogance

of my part, having the Charles by the train. For certain. And the Dariush

he has the objective to dispute the centuron with a victory. It's a tendency that everyone would have to be the obvious of him to be able to be able to play with the Charles. But there's always

the factor, Conan, that you said, that he's going to be back in a breakade, and he knows the amount he's popular, how he attracts of money, so if the guy gets to Michael Chandler, even not being in this division, is great a chance of him do a furada of fire and want to pass in the front of Darius, you know, you?

Of course. It's is the game, yeah, Guillermo. It's the game, and we know who He's there, also, the Connor that casas the his luts of

his life, and he's going to a victory. So he, botan, a victory against the

Chandler, with certainty, he'll go, long, he'll be put to be the Bann, and it's

to be to do you, he's, to do you, because he will have to someone that he

has a signet of, you know, so he doesn't, he doesn't take him to the

country? I think no, I think no. I think because, because, because,

the story of Schendler there, not a It's a great, he Bota Chow, but it's a man, but it's a lot of and he's, I'm going to say, I'll explain.

It's a guy, but not a guy that's a guy that's there, under the melhorers, a guy who has been three of the last four. Ententee? It's in this sense, and it's

a wrong to say, but with a lot of people there, that has potential to quebe, that, that has potential to keep-a-ebrough,

this, this, this other for me, aqueaths for Conor to put I think the Conner knock out of him to say

I think he will have that he's there a conflict on the box there's a little

handler has a little he jogger a cord very bad and he go to the brigh

to go Pannor and I think the Connor can't the Chandler and then he'll

have been a vogue there to by the between Ben and Charles see what

happens after this look to see who can get him a rebaro

to a lot of a centuron if he he could go I think probably probably something like something that makes

more sense to get to get a a partada more than a bader's like he then I think

he'll get him to a centuron if not the chender not not a regua for

this there's much question of motivation many the questions of

the the kind of the money billionario there being

of a fratura in very time He's a little in the

last years, uh, how he will be to see against the guys more

those guys are in the business of a business, in the thing he has been, you know,

you see he getting him from a Rachev, to a Don't Chalys, or you think to

he can be a chender that's a good, but is a lot in a partierer

a little back, to confront someone to get someone in this, I think

that he would be, It was a lot that you'd be very was a bit of the same for the same

not going to say back, but the guys are getting the bonus a night and a better not much,

the guys are getting you're putting on a great show and this I think is one of the

Chandler is having this visibility because he he's got greats lute so the

people don't know if he will be going to be a party and it's but it's but it's

until when you can't do you can't do oh, all, it's legal, we'll pay that he's a lot, you know,

a attraction of cyro, you know, you know, he's got to do and you get, but you're going, but you

want to know, but you want to be able, but you're going to be able to the centuron, or you accept all the clout, you have to

be very intelligent in this email, and the honor is very intelligent. He will do he will be the centeron like,

like, so, so, or not, so he will be promove the lute, or not

will not will promote, but in the final, I believe that the Conor will have a, the voice of his will be the word, which would be the next adversary for him. I think he, passing by the Schender, he will say who will be the next

adversary of his. Not due to the I think, I'm going to, but, I'm going to make some sort of the event, but getting somebody there, that really, put him in a situation that, really, Conor, you know, to put on the centerer, because to put on the centuron, I don't know if

would be able to the UFC. with all the that the people are doing see the men's let's see the menos let me say there's a that's the mar

amar amar yeah armand saruka armand the security is dure to cassing there there has a

courier there there's the gade it's much yeah he's been in a excellent

phase yeah fissive also a parade a barred too this guy is this car

are d'clock so you say you're I prefer see this guy He's not looking at the Conner, imagine you get the Conor

who's in a scenario that he not is a 1010% motivated, is a little bit in the zone of comfort because he's a billionaire and you put him

in Octogne a Qauton, a Quito, it's a recita the merder, yeah? And he will be,

everyone who went to with him, the people want to with the Conor with what he represents. He's,

he's got to the thing, car, carly, not came no point that the guy's a cacking for this

thing, like the guy to look at this car, the guy will be general a rent, a good,

and of a point there's there's, and I think the problem that's the question financial,

than a question of a question of, I think, Mossatt you'd more more more than

this top 15 then than the Cone over over than the Cone or Cone is

the car that can't pay of Meyer now. Yeah, I think these top 15 and all

all they, all they, go, I don't know, nothing about the Connor, no,

because, unfortunately, the time parado, the time parable, the thing is there money,

the time, can't be the car in chasasas, you know, and see the guy, is a little bit

so, so the guy, pere and a little after the ultimate fire, that is a

great show, of Connor, you see, and you see, and you say, well, you know, the car

in the man, the guy in the mountain training quietin, there, you know, I think the

champion is that when a person is putting a media in the front of the training, automatically you get a little brille, I'm

in my own, opinion, but I am a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, you're a man, you know,

for you, you know, you're just people, you're , por, people, people, guys, famous, guys,

guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, who got people, in a situation of this, if you've seen a little

if you've been a man, you know, no, not, maybe not

not enter 100 in a lot how do you how do you to a person in a situation of a lot of

him to be in a time in the time in the octagon? I think that this, Guillair, has to

be a thing to be with the point, I'm going to get to the virus, car,

I'm got to a virus, now fudel. I think all the trainer, all the

friend, all the team, all the teammates that accompany a person who is a ascension,

these people that have a connection with a athlete, they have been feeling, and not let's get to get there. Because when it gets a lot, really, really a great problem. I think it's a lot more, the students,

a lot of a world real. Today, the people are living very in the media, in the media social, and there not really that, not is a reality of what is appearing there, and when you start to live this, you as, you as, you as a trainer, professor, a, friend,

team, partner, partner, of training, If you start to see that and see that, you're really that your partner is going to turn a star you're going to be a thing, of a thing, that's going to get to

everyone. This fog will get to get him to one. I think it's a one thing that's not a hour to another. The Connor,

with the day to night, that he's got today, he was going to be a lot, but, he didn't have people on the side

to, I think less here, I think less there, not say, not say, I think this is important,

you know, so, so, Then it's a trystalk, when you you're going to pay your credibility. When you have to talk more, it's a problem. Because, you know, what you're doing,

in the octagon, just has no value. It's very focus is you see, not let's the problem to get there in the final, and then you're going to get to internar.

And then it's complicated, and then involve the team, involve the result of tumult, why with him have to have a treatment different to the other? And this thing has to have a treatment

in the academy, not can't have. All the student has to have the same, excuse, all the

student, he has to have the same, he's not he's not an athlete. There's

difference between an athlete. If you have a athlete, you'll try it

with a star, as a different, you have a a little, it's a

way of two, a via two, a way of two hands, where the student has

to know that in the academy, he has the same, it's

art martial, he will He will train it, he will do the better, the people don't help, but he has to be more a brawl, but he has been able to

make the way of the principle of the partnership of the academy, to be a thing to be a lot of the time when the car has created the time, that he

has to have this but not be the base, the car to, no, the connection of the whole training together, does a difference.

And, as when you get to this, the guy gets on a patamary, and it's not he's not, but if it's

not if it's was put for he and the team. So I try to

put a way to get a way we're going to get to get to tomorrow, we're going to

get to Bernadino, have Bernadino. You have two hours to celebrate after this celebrate or

show, and then this 12 hours, they know that's 12 hours, they're to go to

work, and it's the first he said a thing I I think a champion, the discomfort.

The champion has to sense discomfortable. When the champion starts very comfortable,

it starts to be a luxury, and a champion when it's not a lot, he gets to get a fire,

for you to say, and do you go to the academy, like, like, like,

the agenda and the front, the Mavim Vettoria, the, I don't see if he,

he's, he's doing the camp of his to Lunders with you, because I'm doing the

Instagram, in the never, the guy is doing the world the world. Yeah,

no, no, no, does, I have a different and I decided in a conversation

that I thought better, he'd be able to make a camp in other other than other other professors,

and then it's better for everyone and I think it's good. What did this style? I have a

style of the class, I have my style of, I'm a style of, I'm a teacher of arts martial,

I'm not I'm a coach. I think he needs in the people who are working

just with it. I think because a new thing is a new we're a different. And I'm the

desire to him more than here in academia it's not the way I think have to functioned with a way a good victory

in a moment important to do the moment for the time on Neiman Greyssa that in the last month of February

he got the Dant and Chiro in Belator how it was this work quite the expectation to this year

beginning the year with the year before unfortunately the defoters to Lohan Storley

who showed how how d'ur he is, and then to goate and other

teta that's a kind of of the kind of of the kind of of the

great of good people goody goody good yeah, Yamaguchi Garor,

was sensational that's that I'm that people that we don't have I think the sport

in the patamard that no there's that's that's that's that's

go there go there go there go and Yamaguchi, no difference. Feliz and see the Neyma return to, Feliz and see him to return

a victory, a guy who is a good of Jiu-Gitza, I don't know-o-one. The guy, he sees the Neyman in the television, like, what he does in the television, he does in the academy, and there's jiu-itschits,

so, impressionant, the way he... It's, you can understand the tal of Jiu-Gitz, see what he does in the academy, and it's a person as admirable,

a good father-of-family, he came to nace a finin here, her second her second and he dedicated, as he

dedicated to all the this, he's not, he's not, he's more even, he's not

about the last time, he's just the time, he's just celebrated, he's just he's been able

to train to train to the Bennie, he's been in the time, he's, he's the first of

the Bene in the question of Jiu-Git's the M. And it's, and it's again, the academy has

been to people who want one, to be a other, he didn't do any one a month that he

he came to he came to call to call on the BN and what BN needs to be in that's the same that's the idea I never will never

get to end up the day I'll get to be a coach of MMA I have to be a doctor I'm sorry I'm sure

I'm sure I'm sure I do respect I do respect I don't say no matter of I'm doing I'm doing

I'm doing I'm doing I'm going to have a I don't have I think the only thing the The only thing

that we're going to to keep it will continue to for us and for all the whole always be written for various pages

of your legate, but one of the most of the capitals will be the way you prego the respect. He was

back this victory he was to the centron and he was going to be a good pass for him in the category

he today is the number six of ranking there's a ranking official of the organization what you

could be could be a good pass for he to engat more one this year and to come back the stucle.

I'll choose the names right, people who have some sense in this moment. The athlete needs to make sure

that confidence. We need to have this victory. It was a victory important for us.

Analyis now to the front, what are the other people do you do that make sure to do

the center, and the focus is the training and the more rapid the possible in the camp, it's a

thing that never exists PC-C-C-saint, we have to continue to train it. So camp is January-December, termina-l at the end up a month, I'll go to train. The scenario had happened, this is important with the athlete.

That's every time you stop and trainar, then, then, when there's time, you need to be corruged, but then when you have a camp, you have to put all in-simmed, and continue, so when you have a lot, you, you're termina, a lot, pass a time,

a time, a time to rest, and you just have time to correct your last last night, and you prepare for a camp there in front against who it's different

when you parrower, with errors and with qualities but you're in that you know, when you're

going to be a camp, then you're to be able that could be done to the part good,

the part to be the part to get to get to the part to do you know,

it's a different to the possible for the other the next he's,

he's helping him doing being doing doing with all the

world that's I think that's a differential and know that's the final everyone will be there's a lot of Neiman too with the same and he's

a guy, poor, poor, he's a good-eastern, excellent, the other he was in the end of the past

and he was that's the end of the end of course, and so, what are the plans of this year to expectativeness of a lot?

It's, came to the Saudi, came, the, the, the Sojik, first the Giga

so, and then he got with the Korean, then the Korean so much it's right now to play April we don't

know if we're gonna probably not because I think he's like with the manna with a

jorja also topia top how um Topuria how um

the Elia Topuria yeah I I think will be this man with the Korean in April

now we now we know we know we can't continue to continue training fort

the league was coming 8 victories consecutively We've got to have a We have to make a way we have to do the F.C.

And the most brief possible to walk to do you know, the athlete, but I'll say the athlete, that

does the matter, that we can't, then we can't do you know to make a arm and then

that's the big idea with those with these there, who can't happen and see what can't

happen. As we're going to get in a debate, the Dehate, Edmette,

Josh Emmett. Josh Emmett, this is a great Lutte, this man who who has been and for the name that's

that's the name that's a name that's a lot of the point for him Derrota Gigga also Gigga also

Gigga peed with Qatar who's a guy durissom and he he's already for the panthern

like the K1 as a one, as far as all the guys working between them for

many many times and this division no one there's just a lot for Pica

so the so the kind of you do you do you do it's a these categories 145, 1.55,

for me, the the principal categories today are 1.55, the 1.45, the 2nd, and would put 1.40 and Pairs 2nd, and Pairs Pesasat in the final. Which are the categories that really, in this order.

I'd take even the medd, no, the medd, not the medd, the category master is a, well, but I would first, 1-55, 1-5, 1-8-5, 170, the

peso and then the peso a little a major to me, these categories that are

exploding about. No, the peso we're in the world to do you have to be

the fourth little his first under the box that he won't in the two in

MMA but as a specialist of a question after you know,

after the last time, but it's a lot of the last round that he what you expect of this

fourth duel. a great lot. Who will be getting for certain

but it's the public that's going to be going to be a great lot of the favoriteism total of

the champion yeah, you know, it's a bad for the lastarone in the business of the business

is a post it's a bestere, this I never never never never ever this is good for the

public leigh, well, this is good for who will who will be going to be going to be

a potan that will do more money yeah I don't I think Watan, more

once, will be putting a spirituzeo, he's got a man, don't think a guy, not even though no,

I'm trying to see the designer, like the time, Wandeleleynne Pinted, and he said that he, lute him

went out of three times, Nadeh, Naukhow's three. So, I think it's a lot where the spirit there will

make a difference. We'll see how the designer will more once a way to start to the champion and how

the spirit of his will react more one once knowing that he has that

script that he always he's always it's it's not the the final,

the cowboy come and get the the cowboy, he gets the general, he's a caval

pick the jury, oh, he's like that he's going to make a name, he was he said

but the design had more experience of M.M. The design had more experience of M.

M.A. But the Poatatat has experience in the head the champion.

So, then it's equaled all the whole. The design attend the the line of

the design. The point there's going to be the last time the person, the first of the first of his name,

he had done a carria of his, and then he was going to talk to to go to box,

and in the year to go back in the NFL and to make the last plans for this year,

he's in the fact, he is in fact to do or is more focused on the business here in the Brazil, vending the carne?

How is this plan for him? Thank you, God, God, God, God, God, he's, success in Brazil in the entire franchise. The Gauch,

exploded. In fact, he will, have been a energy of his only so. He's very happy.

He's got the market of Brazil, that's a thing important, a boutique of carnes, the market of

all, everything, the market of his, and he's going to be going to be announcing,

very next the next the next the Vervum, it's decided, it's not

being, and we're going to not be on who's where, and what the regar the

that's not going to get to be not a contract, but you can't get to

get to get to the maybe, it's a don't be able to be able to

be so, for in a while, for in the sequence when I

signer, because if not signer, so, so, it's the first the first

I'm talking to Charles Dobry, that's just now that they assinared the contract, the two. We just had to be what the UFC to see what the UFC is to say, or what's going to? Until to have the can't on the paper,

all the whole, all right? Yeah, it's just we don't have signed, so we're not, then, we're going to signate, so now we're going to say, because if there's not

to have been complicated. So, then after we've confirmed the most of the two assign them, so we're going to be a minute, then we're going to confirm the most

to sign, you say, you say with who what's, but it's very nice. That's a thing interesting. Manila, Rafael, thank you

much for your time in this life of a career in the academy. Success in the next few times. Thank you. With God, with God. A bravo. Let's a record for the people who want to see me in the media social.

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no jiu-giscer, the guy, champion of all. It's, maybe it's a great name of the country in a moment, very by the assyraged the rivalry that's created in the last years with Gordon Ryan,

the Brazil against the United is forming a war in the Submission. Well, well, welcome to podcast, a pleasure

to receive you here for the first how it's how it's going to be going to be the plans

for this year because you would be a quarter lot with Gordon Ryan now, unfortunately

he ended an adversary you got so got so continue this expectative for a

fourth duel with how many those plans for this year so this year so Rely

yeah, it's good that did right there. And thank you thank you. So I'm

I've been I'm going to know on the Saturday now so there no, there's nothing

right of the next the next will be if it will be or not, I I'm with

some conversations in endament but I'm I'm know

in the next months I'm how can come it's

I'm I'm going to go to MMA after after this

the but, in the fact, it's the last the last letter, I said, I'm,

I'm going to do you do this little, but it's what happened what happened

there's a last last year, and now this lot of three days before,

so it's so, this idea to M. So, I'm going to decide in these

next few times what will be the next step. Uh-huh. We're going a little

but first, imagine that the next pass, log, or you're in front the Gordon Ryan

or you have conversations, or you have conversations, for some other a lot until

remarkar that. No, my interest is to do that really, I think, I'm a

lot of there's a media in the people want to see, that the public

want to see, so my interest is really to do this but

I'm I don't think the the, the, the, the, the,

the, I'm a real motive, so I don't see if he want to look to now,

I'm not so I'm talking about with the people to see what will be going to

you'll have this this one we'll mark a date because also not

not just on on the stand-by waiting the hour that he want to

the time I think I think all will decide in the next

some of the same time, but my interest is to do this fight, so your interest is to do, your plan is to do that and, enterst, it's it, after A.m.A. Or, the idea is to leave the two in parallel, at least, in the beginning, so.

Well, well, I'm, I've been thinking about this, you know, because my plan, initial, was to go to M.MA, but continue doing lots castas castas, same kimono,

you know, because I would continue not would be training Jiu-Jitsu, wrestling, for the MMA and all I think would be to

to conciliate the same kimono. But, but now I don't know how it's because I just I'm with

I'm going to I'm going to be waiting to make this migration to MMA, I'll have a time

to learn to evolve so I'm now I'm more more jovenz- I'm think I

don't know I'm in the limit to do to do this migration

So I've been I've been I've been I think the grappling especially the grappling The Jiu-Jitz in general have increased but especially the grappling

So it's having a return legal, financial, of media and all I've been also I've been also,

if it's really really a pain to me to MMA in the next or not but I think all will depend

this this this this lot, if we will mark this

lot or not, so have been thought in this but I think

there's nothing right I imagine the frustration duple that was

this lot because it was like the point of the

point of you get to get the first victory and

migra to MMA now this side this this

strategy it Yeah, in the last Luta, I just had this plan I was very

very well in the last last month but happened the question of Leandro

had fellacy in the same day so I I I decided do

the but I knew that I didn't get that I was completely abalated

psychologically I was no longer condition to do a lot without a lot

of that a lot of that important but I just I looked really with the combined

of the guarantee of this revanched, you know? So, happened to happen the last last the last month, that I was planning

like, I'm going to and I'm going to go to be a and go and, well, I've got to to addia to

go. And now, he pulled out, so it's in this situation that, it's,

it's, I'm, this plan to go to MMA, you know? And this, I've made me

have made think to think to think I'm going to decide nothing to keep up

maybe, even, expect the things to be, like I say, like I'm

like you will be this next or not, what would be the date, to be

to be the next past, you know, you're so you're to have made

that you have made that you're saying, I'm I'm sorry, but, even more

now, now, seeing that he, seeing that he doing this this motive

I just I just did that I did that I'd have a rewanch and then

to save an event to compure the compromise because everyone would be very be very

prejudicated if the the the lute not if the so it was in

this this but he he was he was he was he he was

before before before I was I was a repentious, too, to have made this this lute, I think it was a

important, I was with two victories in the front, no time, it was to get to be in a lot of this,

you know, saying that, in my head, I would not would be going to get , you know?

So, it's a repent yes. He is a guy who uses a lot of the social,

he has a position forced, like, I say, I'm, say, I'm the

he thinks and everything. And with this he's critiqued a lot, he's criticed to be,

to him to get the public, a guy who no, no, no, no respect

for anyone, not so with me, but with, practically, both the opponents that he does,

so I think, so he says, that he doesn't have no, he's really to attack, not see the

fans, segos of his, he, what happened in the what was, that,

I came, when I received the news, I, I said to the event, I,

I don't want to this lute, I don't have to look to let's come to look at, we're going to

the event started to put a pressure to do you know, he said, do you know, make a

we're doing, we're doing a re-vanche and all I said I did to have a revanch

and I need to be the first the event for I go to go to

to the entire and maybe do take the to get the time and

to and to move the regna, for not not be a lot of

time, to be a little bit of a lot of time, because I don't have with the

head to do a time to do a hour and a year, a lot of this is a very disgastant

mentally, mainly, so I see, if it's a lot of a time there, fechated,

you get there, you know, and put on the case, it's 20 minutes only minutes, it's,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, focus on this and,

and, and, and, And, but then he no accepted any of

these conditions to not the revenge, get a so, the flograp came to

say, and said, he said, he said, he don't accept to do the event, he said

that's a final, and will maintain the the rego the way that's,

you know, no time limit and all. So, so, I We wanted

that you would be in front, you know, we'd try the event and there were there's various situations there

were, they've been with a person of my team, was there's a little bit of now,

I don't know so what that's going to happen and all, and really me, they're like,

say, and we're, we're going to say, we're like, to, like, like,

like, like, it was, like, 20% 15% of the bolsa,

you know, a more, and for you do you're doing, and you're doing, but the bonus, you know, 15, 20%,

is a value of the idea of the reason, you know, the reason to have been really to salvable an event, to do a

compromise, and with the intent of and then, and then, and then, he he, he, he was focusing

in this, not, he said, he said, this type of interview, not, contrary to say,

I think, so, but who to be to someone who's very close, you know,

the pain, you know, there's nobody, that's there's that there

has a humanity to feel the pain the way the way, and then it's

I decided to do, I decided to do not, I repaid the decision, of course, if I'd

say, no, not go, not will, no, no, no, nobody,

nobody, nobody, no, like, so, so, so, so,

the final, the decision, they put pressure, did this, they did this, if I'd say, if I'm going to say, if I'm going to be not going to be,

but then I decided to look at, and I'm repend, I'm, I'm sorry, I'm, you know, to have been there, I think there, I'm also, like,

professor, because in this lute there was my my brother, my friends, my, my students, and my, had a manager, no

an master, like a professor to get a reg. the thing, you know, we're going to look nothing to get a lot of

people, you know, we're going to have a more condition to do you're in, poor, destroyed and and you're

going to do that and you're not that's a lot, but it's it's, but I have to have to

get there more in this line of front and I think that was there the head

right to get and say, ah, I don't will look and all. After what

happened, I had to get an attitude and decide this, I'm doing. But then it was it.

And all this are ingredients in this rivalry that's you and the

we're we, along the history of the jiu-jits we have rivalities

historical, like Roshere and Rodeh Rolfo, Ruffe, Ruffe, Rappell-Therr, Maffin,

Rappar Mez, the Cobrin, But almost of these there were rivalities

much more sportive than the relationship are the guys that in the two

two and were and were being a lot of different meetings there were

situations that's the climate was like roger and chate

had the comel and the problem but in general was a rivalry

very of much respect you think the your rivalid with

Gordon Ryan it is the major rivaledity of fact in the story of the war in terms

of rivalry of the reality of the other between the two sides so I think

yeah I think so I think yeah the Jiu-Jitsu the fact of the Jiu-Jitsu Graplin has

grown really had grown a media in the visibility and all this then it's

he's amplifying a rivalry this but I don't go ahead I think he don't go ahead

I think he respect he the Jujito his he does he does he does but

for this no respect I think a lot of a lot of things in him this negative

that I see a guy that I don't have a minor interest in

some type of some kind of but I think I think there some of the jihadism that you'd see that the people

not were like and all right but not was like a war so declared so exposted maybe in the social and and I think

he's the fact of he a guy who a guy who really that attacks all the world and a guy

a very polemic a much a thing I'm not poulpan my energies too to attack him,

to do it, and all right, you know? So, I think that's a thing that creates

a, a murmurin much great in the same, and when you, to fact, gain of him,

in the next you think that you think you never more will see front,

or you think that you're the, because you are so so, so, so,

so, so, eventually you will end up definitive to know. It's difficult

to say, because, I don't know how it will be my plans, when it will be this

this lute, if after that after this would be in M.A. So probably I'm going to be M.A.

I don't be training full-time Jiu-Tits, so really I probably not toparia

to do that this, or if I would be in Jiu-S so I would maintain in the Jiu-Zo

I'm many years even of career, so probably we'd be able to know,

or we're in a lot of a lot of a CACA, so it's difficult pre-vee but I'm

but no, no, no, discarta to do with him again,

after a quarter of all, and all, sometimes the people say, yeah,

oh, Philip, do you, look with this guy, no, there,

no, there, no, to prove to people, and and all,

the guy, po, he's creating this this thing but it's my job but I'm

not really not really to the people who people so I want to with the

people if I want to dojjitsu I want to do you want to with the

world I'm the really have really things that really

the public want to the public want to probably probably depending depending

of what to happen, of when it will be, how he will be, how he will be, if it continues being a lot that does sense to the public, I don't see a minor problem in doing to do you? And the plan of MMA, is

a dream of a F.C? It's a want to be test, saying in a porrada, what do you motiva, what you does it, what do you do you, do you do, take to this desire to

MMA? So, I think it's a mixture of things, you know? I always I've always this joy I've got to come this Jiu-GITs, you know,

of MMA, I've seen the other than the F.C. and all that visibility that's a thing like,

I want to be a man, I'm going to get a really a always a always

always this want to do the sport, you know, to me test it. It's a

thing that, the poor experience that I had, the train, of Muay Thai, of MMA, that I

had trained during some time. It was a thing that I got I, I guess, I guess there, I'm a guy very aggerridden, so I don't have a problem, like, that thing, that's a, po, the guy, no,

doesn't go to leave a sock on the car. Nobody goes to to take a sock in a car, but, so, the train, you know, the adrenaline, the competition and everything that I got, you know, was the thing that I came and said,

I said, I'm identified, not was something very suffered, let's say. So, I'm a mixture of things,

I always have this want to do you, get some of the end of my career here, poja, I've been, I've looked

much, Jiu-Gitzo, much grappling, so I'm a little maybe, as well, to continue,

to continue, to continue, to continue, to do the thing of the thing, I'm doing, I'm going,

I'm never, you know, I have to take a decision. If it's for, it has to be now, because more than the front it will be done. It's a little also of question

of return financial, because it's a sport much major, so of course, would be there and back, but,

but, if I was, for example, who I'm who I'm in Jiu-Gitzo, be in the MMA,

understand, with a certain would be a other type of return, in all, of media,

of financial, of all. So it's a mixture of things, you know, it's a want to do

to do, to me to be defy- to do something, you know, this son of a girl,

to go out, to go out, of sport, to be a fan of sport, always to see,

it, it's a little, also, the of the of the of the

financially to evolve as a profession you know it's a a mixture of things

so it's starting to start by the back we're going to we have two types of approach for example there's a

roadoff who came in events of fact little gave a experience there

and eventually came to eventually came to the bouchercee that's it's started

on an chip chip and picking guys of a level minor compatible with the

experience of the year of the first until that's getting to be in a centurial

what other two models of the other you more you more you

see and the kind of a event or the guy that's

for a one for a person to get to someone

with someone with someone with I know I

would I'd would enter in an event great

you know, not would do nothing with a press like, like I'm gonna make a two months

I'm gonna do you know, I'm really a train with an adaptation with calm with a time,

even pressure to get to say, I'm feeling well, I'm prepared, I'm training well, I'm confident, but I'm

I'm seeing a loting an event great, you know, even because like, yeah,

to get, uh, Lut to a event small, in terms of of visibility, of all, I think it's

something that's something I'm a certain a certain a certain in the jiu-jitsu. It's all that I would

be able to go back to back, so I'm seeing there starting, I think I think I

in question of the question of the question of the quality technique

and experience in a sport, it's all, another sport, it would be a time, there's a really, to adaptate,

to learn, to learn the part in-peer, to get a part to get, of grappling, not, and in relation

to the apprenticeship, but I think starting in the event, great, so, it's a thing, you just

starts, a little more, more like, a, it's like, I'm a, so,

I'm a lot, in the Jiu-Jitsu, you know, I'd me feel like, ah, that I'm going to

back to get to the right, I'm not I'm in putting to keep you know,

who you admire, when you see, this guy came to the same level of the same

of the M.MA tra Sando the Cami R M.A. that you more got to

the trogitzo, or also that's going to go to the role to that's the thing you of the other that you like to see?

So I think see, see the the way that Bouchier, is, it's still in the end up,

but he's four lutes in an event great, like the one, you know, a guy a d'n't

no, he finished all the finalized all the finalized all, I think that, no,

no, there, no, there's a way to do what he did, he really,

he really really, he really, he really, he, be a friend and, you know, he's a fan of him,

you know, not so in the Jujits there, like he had a star in the Jiu-Jitsu there, you see that he has, a beast,

he's really, what he's doing there's to impression, and I'm, I'm going to continue doing this.

And I would also, for example, DURIN, a guy who came to Jiu-Jitsu, he was, yeah,

champion-mudial and all, because today is very- to the kind of there's, in the

top three, or five, no, no, the certain rank, but it's a guy that, you know,

it's a lot, you know, there's a , there's, there's, the D.M. Maya, a guy who

came to Jiu-Jits and that's who came much long, a guy who, he,

he, he, he, he's, he, the Charles, the Charles of Brons,

for more that not that, he, came, came, did, know,

did the Jiu- He's, but not a career long, yeah, of high-level in Jiu-Jitsu. Like in a

Fahua Langea and all, like in the FACHA Preta and all, like these that I cited. But it's a guy who can't apply very well, the Jiu-Gitzo, you know, in the MMA.

And I I go also to see the part of the San Pierre, you know, those courses, of Khabib, the Shimaev,

you know, the guy who can't, I'll do that not so Jiu-Jitsu, but it's a game of samba, of grappling,

that can't unlaw well the game for the guys in M.A. A game more collated of a quay, ground, pound,

and even, yeah, encachersations too, but it's a good, a game consistent.

So, I love so I'm so much to see them, too? You know to an M.A.

You go to go to a M.A. You can't go to 9-3? So, no, it would It would be It's a

A good For a F.C There's a difference there, no, that's

that they're a category intermedia there's a Yeah, there's a category intermediary, I don't

have a I'm sure what is, the pay. I think it's 110, but I'm 110. But it's

but I think it would be in this category of 93, you know? Yeah,

that's Trio, Trio, the normal is this but with a but with a certain but I'm a

I'm a lot I'm not I'm sorry I'm 10 kilos I'm under I think would be to get to

no 93 tranquillament even after I'd I'd like I would would would be I'd like 8 to 4

you know because I would be 95 96 so I think it would but I think 93

no 1% no 3 93, that's 902 and 120 that's the heavy yeah

so if it's no one would be, I don't know this question not there's not too not even

it's not but there 93 without without so it's complicated yeah yeah

I don't I don't I think definitely probably it would maybe it gets

just some three kilos you what would that would that would that would

it would would be to hydratar or 64, I don't see. But I think I'd have to 3 would be around

100 kilos, so I'm a secada, maintain there, and I'm a little bit, he'd get with the

nine and six, you know, and the problem to get some those three kilos there, I think would be there, I'm sure,

I'm curious, I'm anxious, for this, for this next step, but first that comes to the

guard the Luda with the water with the two ben The other one is that everyone is anxious to see, right? That's all with

all with all. I'm anxious there too. I'm trying to keep active this year that's a lot so I think the public will

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