MMA Fighting - Trocação Franca | De goleiro a porradeiro: a saga de Jailton Malhadinho

Episode Date: May 10, 2023

Trocação Franca dessa semana traz a história de Jailton Malhadinho, promessa do Brasil entre os pesos pesados que lidera o card de sábado do UFC em Charlotte, EUA, contra Jairzinho Rozenstruik. Malhadinho falou da vida, como trocou os gramados pelos ringues, o desaparecimento do irmão, altos e baixos no MMA e muito mais. O podcast traz, ainda, entrevistas com Johnny Walker, Douglas Lima, Diego Lopes e Tainara Lisboa. O melhor do MMA brasileiro no Trocação Franca, toda semana, com o jornalista Guilherme Cruz e convidados. Trocação Franca returns with the story of heavyweight sensation Jailton Almeida, who headlines Saturday’s UFC Charlotte event opposite Jairzinho Rozenstruik. Almeida discusses his life story, how he left soccer for fighting, losing his brother, the highs and lows of MMA, and much more. The podcast also features interviews with Johnny Walker, Douglas Lima, Diego Lopes, and Tainara Lisboa. Listen to Trocação Franca with Guilherme Cruz every week to hear from the biggest names on the hottest topics in the Brazilian combat sports world. Follow Guilherme Cruz @Guicruzzz Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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in Brazil, Guillermo! Cruz. Hello, Luo, Amico-Dugent an episode of the podcast

Trocaation Franka a new car about this immense power of the year. I'm Graham Cruz, correspondent of the

website American on M.M. Faireen of the company of Jailton Maradino Promesa of Brazil in the Pesososos who leader

the cartes of the F.C. in Charlotte in the States U.S. All right. All right back.

Good news, welcome to this emotion to leader a card so grand of D.C. It will pass on

live on ABC, TV abbered the United a car that the private the same

the time the way they're to do you want to use the people to do the

future of the sport. I'm very very happy that is going to

what's going to happen. It's a thing that's really and get there

to show my work to come with a victory, that's I'm in

my life my career and it's being been recognized been a little more of two years

you're in under a thunderfight finalizing the Edinaldo Lula every victory you had in Brazil you

put a shirt, I'd say for Dana White that you were ready to after a year and three

years after you were doing a last year after you're doing a look to see what you know what you know to

see what you know to be in this way to go back to see right to It's

by the fact of I have desisted in 2014 and have voted to the center national

normally. And have what I want to be to be in organization, that was in the world,

and I could be to realize my dream, that was a dream of

when I had a war at the year, and it's a lot of a lot

personal, it's the part that you have to I'm going to be back right back and think

on what you pass on what you've been the three the rest of the alligries and I'm very happy.

I'd start with you about you about it too much people know a maladino yeah

and maraudo yeah but you know you know your story you said you're

in 2014 you were in 2014 you was in the first was in Victo he wonceal

the first but what what happened to be to get in this point of you

you're almost abandoning the sport so, so, so, so soon in this way that I think

was the factor the factor, in the factor, in our country, not very very good of this.

And when I I commenced in 2014, it was growing the sport. I was being recognized the sport.

So, many events that were doing a M.A. To make M.A. Fas M. And the

guys were offer you were the events and you had to be able to go to be in. There were

events that people would pay the money to get a buss to buy the gasoline for you

go to be the gasulina for you not pay hospedage and if you would have you

and put you put you put you in a hotel of the city not like that

not not value and until the point to get a day to

get to get to my own the to get to my

to maintain there. I put down the head to the traveseer, I said, I'm not more, man, because I was I was in vigilance

I had to pay a service for another person to get to me, to be able to do that, and get a

man to be a car to make a moor. So I thought this very strange, and then I opted to

par. Because I not was, I was going nothing, not, I don't have got a

I was, I was going to say, go, I'll, I'll, I'll go, I'll

go, I'll I didn't have this mentality, that the cameada was long and I said, I said, I said, but I didn't,

but I just, I just, I was just traininging. I was just training and then, thanks of my business,

my, who are the who are going to here in Kornh-o-FC, came to me, and me

called, he was a man very talented, that I could be a lot of that I

had to be my son is realized, and, and, God, God, God,

God, to be, for me, So, if the world to end up today, I'm very very very happy

and the things are better than a way of the and if to end up today, I'm more

happy, I'm really a more tranquil, with a dream real real estate. That's

that's what important. It should be a much, because you know, because you know,

in Brazil, it's difficult, but you would be for the glamour, the guy of the

guy of the FC and but you know, you know to be difficult

to get to there, but for lot of it's like no where

I'm in where I'm there's a little I'm going to be a bit of but I'm imagineable

but I'm in a situation so perennie so deplorable so, so yeah this is right

we're just we we're we're we're there's a there's a there's

some the, how what you these the what I can say the

those perengs the those perenns but things that people say,

poe, well, it's fria, it's free the car, it's freeing, the car he's going to

get to what I think it, and I just I say to the people, that's

it's it's the it's in it's in this happens, and this happens, the person

to be to be not desist, there, there, there, there, there,

there, there, there, so I'm, because I'm what I pass it, but you

when you when you went to have some the first the first yeah, it's not

a question, it was a lot of a lot of getting to get to get into the poor, I've went to see, this moment for

you, the first the first the first time in the MMA, the thing has been an experience

new and difficult to lead, yeah, it was that my trainer spoke with me, then I

didn't, I began to cry, I'm, I thought, I'm, I will I will par for me

no more more than that's okay. I'm going to do you know, that's a lot that's not no,

that's what do do you know, what do you know, and the other came to say, he's got a champion in a

derrota. You're going to go back on the second day, she'll be in the other

only, it's just depend of you. If you want to just depend of you

I'm I'm going to try and I'm a, a deal that is inexplicable, man,

inexplicable of you and say, a lot was 10 to 1, 10 to 1, 10 to 1 for me,

gain the other. When I got so rapidly so much, so I'm going to go to the house , you know,

I'm talking to a little time, I'm talking with me talking with me too, go on,

go, to go, go, and I'm on the Saturday, was in training, and

I've, I've, I've, the guy always seemed one there, You've been with me

on my side. BOR, go, go, BOR, BOR, you'll get and be able, BOR, you're going to

get a lot 100% so, you did you do that's the work to do you, the work

that you did you did that for far there, to be to turn a athlete

a 100% in time integral? No, my bar, Guillem was when I started

when I when I went when I was when I was a tour, my trainer to open the studio. I was working

I was working but I was always I went and I used to go to go to the class and he

he went to say he was going to go to say I'm okay I'm going I'm going

I'm never had never had been in my life there he he

he put to be to be in the class he was he and I'm

going to my alums and I'm and I'm trying to work I'm to try to

work and I was talking was a class I was a day of morning, I'd do a

class, I'd train, all the time and then I'm I'm going to go back on, I'm going to, that's fine

about that's a time, I said, I'm going to go, I'll see, so, I'll see so doing the

class, then I'm going to trainer, because I had to trainer, if you were to be a night, there's a

day of night, I'd be able to train, because I was to serve in, then I could, I could,

I could, I could, I got to see the hours, I could train more. And it was then I said, no, I'm going to be dedicated to my name

my name. This is it because you'd work to be a vigil meh, yeah, I'm going to go to do

the school, just go to do and trainar, just do that and I'm, I'm going to try to train and then

when I, I'm, to do an for a guy that I did a hour in a minute orn't a tonio,

then he said, then he said, he said, he said, to take a person on him, Fernando,

Marlon, Fernand, maskarens. Then, he said, I would go to the Tander, in the time.

I was a Tullre against Marajor. Then I came with a case in the credit Sexta,

that the company that he he's a that he came to me to make a can't

know, I was going to go back for you but I took a carcin to

no value no. I'm trying to a carterter a car using the a when I

went he He was trying to go with me. The value that he was a value extremely much good. I could

reduce more the classes and I could make more train more time I could do do three training per day

I could do just two and I putt more one and then I was I'm

I went to countering not I'm going to go to not in FC again there with

Carlos Boe there in Abu D there when I went to contra Gammett

and then I I put the contract I was with a Camisa No, I did that I did it with Marajor

I was to I did a camisa then I not I was I went I went to Budab

when I went to go to a lot of a lot of no took a under the signor

to Marjol I got Marajor then I got to myn't I was in I didn't I'm not

came and then I'm able to you know you at this moment you just moment you just moment you're thinking

to to do you can't do you, you're seeing a lot of money, doing a lot of personal, and I thought, I was saying, oh, man, you know, let's this thing to do that. It's a manor and stuff. But I gained a bit more

money here, doing the class. Did you? To pass the way. To pass the way. Pover you, it's better. I'm going to be a bit more. There was a want

even of, and I said, no, I just will me dedicate the trainings. Just I will train. And never thought in not, I don't want to play me more, no. I just went to keep

to keep a good. I said, no, now I'm going to I'll try that in like I'm going to tryna like a bitcho, and I'll try to try it like a bitcho and I'm going to try to pass like a pener to be able to get finally in the UFC getting of many people in

the MAA here in the here in the Brazil, there's different to your experience in the football, that you tried to be goaler, but it was not that it didn't do so much for the rest of financial, yeah, also, also, the lance of the thing of the money, how is that?

Ah, it was so I'm doing a test on a victory at the time. I'm doing a lot of Sadoernerner at a

time, I'm doing test on the time, I'm going to the test at the same, the guys got to prove

and they came out of a cell there, they called the car there was a guy,

the guy, and said, you're saying, you're a good, but, you're not a person,

if you're getting to get $10,000 $10,000 for we, for a little an arm an

company for for you, to maintain you're in a club, in the vision of the base. If you could

get this value all the time, I said, I'm excited, I'm excited to get there to my father,

me offered here a value to get a person, to get to get my business,

I'm the money, because 10,000 in that time, it was practically $1,000 today.

I will I'll call you, it's how it's like that nothing, no,

no, I know, so I'm I'm I'm sorry, I'm think I'm think of

another thing I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm I'm jihito and I started to compete

Jiuits I came to play M.A for me for me for 20 years to say

my trainer was my my trainer then he said I'm going to be a lotator then there was this perring in the 2014, there was a main derrota, and I'm sorry, I'm happy

what's happening. As your two experiences with the sport, coincidentally, you'd have to pay to train and to fight, right? In football, you had to pay $10,000 to be to be training in the category

of the victory, and in the MMA you practically paid to do for, to make some, you know, there's much, much dedication, not just of force

in the academy, but in the bolso, is to, poor, abry a month of much to to get to where you know.

Right, exactly. That's right. Yeah, be a man of much to get to where I'm there. You know,

that's probably to be a problem with a good thing to be a lot of four hours. It's a festival all,

every day of the time, if you go in any other place, if you're in have to have a head very blinded for these

things, and I'm going to get to bring down my mind for this. And today

I'm in God, I'm, thanks of God, it's, it's a good

effort, and I'm very dedication. And I always I'm I'm realised.

I'm I'm doing what I'm doing, if I'm said, Maradian, what,

what you, the, the world after you would you say, the world I said, I said that I was

the threat of the FC, I was going to be able to my FCC, and I'm very happy. And the the Luta, as well, it was in your son, and your father also was a doctor of box, no? My father, my

father, my child also, too, was a progillist, my brother also, also, trained in box. Revene Beeson, the sport, thanks a God. And this is more

a motive of, to I, to be my son that's my son, that is, I want the continuity

that my my initial, but in a way of the way of the lot of my name,

you know, I'm going to be the box, you're the one of your, and I'm my,

and am my, art mystic, so there's various arts, so I'm not I can

focus on anything do so, in what is certain, we do it's you focus. You have

been in your father He was fighting or he He was before you grow and and remember

to remember that he's in a time I'm in my wife was in 2021 against a Bruchna

against a yeah, contra Boulbino an old old binnian which was Peter Contino

I remember a prega to cap the Zohra it was a it was a barrio and a

one backerer in a back of the other and the barring barred came to the bank and the

Bha-Combe a bea coming in the center there and it's a cadeerada, a lot of discussion

and a guy, your father got, your father? Ganyo, boy, mania, mania.

In fact, my dad, my dad sawvow the night of the , the, because the

majority, everyone, everybody, everybody, did the father, and the part of who

it. It was a guy, were the kind? It was, it came, came two

guys from to fight against those people were three I don't remember and my my father was a guy

was a good too, he was a good and he was my dad my name your name your dad

Jaito Malado Jailto Malad that's the Juna that's, and you're your friend that you said

that you did a story a very that he is disappeared how is that my brother

was my brother was my brother was he was in 2012 in 2012

in the actually I think it was for the because for the I think

for the cause he came he came in because there are good and ruin but he

decided to opt by the carmium and it and it and

we still we we still because a per cent, we never

super, so my brother is disappeared in 2012, I think my mom also I think my my wife

also got just to get back, I'm going to get to when I'm Vito Belfor. So,

so you're going to have 11, 11 years, 11 years, I don't never imagine how it

is the other to imagine, yeah, imagine the part of not having the answer,

not, to never know, one you can, you, I've, I've, I've already a man, so I know that he

was he died, he's not to know, you pass 10, 11 years without have a response definitive, right? I think it's a lot of the day-day-day-old, like the Victor always said along the life entire of his, right?

Justly this. We've been in the interrogation that's in the mind, you'll be thinking if you're living, if you're not, if you're always, I'll say, no, he'd be in a little bit of a time.

He'll be in a little bit of time. But then we think many, many things. It's like a question in the thing, you're just

without, it's, that's a thing, and he's a character that's a lot,

you know, you took the world of the world, and is representing the family until today

now in the FC, making a final, now, in this Saturday against the

last time, a lot of a confront of shoes completely different, you know, you're the

guy to to come to, back, back, to make, or knockoutian in Groundend Pound, and he is the guy of the trocaption

in-pe-you-law-to-do-to-do-to-do-to-le-law, how you see this duel against the guy? Of fact, it's this duel of stil. You're going to enter to get to back to back and force her to work with the back and eventually to get? In fact, yeah, it's an guy extremely periguous, a guy experienced,

everyone knows. It's not a lot far as a lot of fast. like always I always say, I'm going to interviews. It's a not going to

do you know, he also he's a no position or not a man, a man, a lot of

a lot of a deruva but he, but what I see, for the story of he,

that he got quite to get to the Venn too, he brought him to him to get to

back to, no, there's a job to he'll be a back to make, he's, he went to him to

back back, But the guys don't have this efficacy is to be finalize not the when the

car car car on the car car car in the thing to this is my character is to put

to get to back back there and get to the course technical that I think the

part most defectuals of him that is this defense of this

defense of that he not he can even can even he can't try

now this camp but it's very difficult to get

a so no We know of this. So the thing is to take a good with the

hand of the thing, and there's a point also, that if you go to have the person

that he's not a coattial, the speas not movement and he would have to be in back to

the other, and it's if you go to the person who the man extremely a man extremely

probably probably you'd probably you'd be moving and then moving tally

looking the game, he's finting, like the he's he's Brady also

he made with him and moving on the game and trying to put it to so you'd see he'd see it's just

he'd go over the time that he'll interrompe the other he's gonna he's quite about the

expectation of the expectation and all right and have posted I don't see if you've seen if you have a custom

to look the radio social of your adversaries there but he postando that this will be the fourth battle

of the Amazonia that he's the Suriname here the side, he he gained the Junior Albin

the junior Sigano and the three Brazilian he was he encountered he knockedo down the

other this time now will freeing this dominion against the Brazil in this duel in

the Jairz-Zen I don't see the social of his in the fact he Guillem

he if you see the past the before the last time the last other he did

counter the cause he he no posted nothing, nothing of the lot, nothing.

Like he's a guy that's a good he's a very, he's he's always

he's not a lot of a car of my car of my own my time, he's he's

just over he's he's he's he's a lot of a lot of he's got to

he's forced on that he got to nocout he never was a

person everybody know that's a person I'm a

never provo I'm I'm I'm I'm agrade there, I'm just one other person. I want to show my job. I don't want to show my job in the social.

But, yes, it's a lot of course, yes, it's a lot. But I have a assessor. Gras of them, I have a censor. Gras of him, never a business to train, me dedicate and to get to go to work.

I don't think of this, doing that, provocating. I never see to provoke anyone. And, and if you go to see the

I'm going to my job, independent of the guy, you can be the most track of the world, I will be my job, I'm going to put it to my job, I'll put it to go to my job, if he'd say he will sit there. Inclusive, I came to him here, here in the second of the hotel, doing a check-in. I said with him, I'm for him to do-risa.

De-Ris-R-R-Lu-Lutta for him, simply, not for him. Because I'm, I'm, I'm, I don't, I don't want to see, I don't want to show a person that I'm not, no, I don't, like, The profession is not a profile. And I see also that not a profile

of his profile of his. So he can be be a pro-oven in a lot. You see that the probability

of the proportion is all right to be made, the promotion of all the made by me,

but he wants to be in a lot of the so he has been juneerer that he's

a time in the FECA there and the guys don't for this

so he he's not he's thinking he he's trying in my mind, my mind my mind

my mind is my mind God, thanks a vital my the psycholo. Not enter in the head in the

way, you use this to a form of, you know, that the most of the end of the syndrome,

but these things that he says, the things that he post, and do a more, get to get

to get to that, it's, it's, it's, yeah, yeah, yeah,

because I know, because I know for the profile of he, not the profile of his,

not the no way, so I'm doing more, more untary, to get there,

more, and, And, put, getting this lute on the Saturday, what you think the future reserve for you for you?

Because, along the victory to be a gigante of a guy that's a lot, the first of a category of pesed is a lot of

a game, that we don't know how time he will be able to get to get to Miotit until the end of the end of the end of

the end up the end uposcented and it's aborted to be aberted to be able to the category. You think this victory

can you can't be you'll talk just a a victory to dispute the Citroon? I don't say that's in the

I'm going to the matchmate the FC if he see that has a probability of the Ustown I'm going to

prepare for this if he'd do more a lot I'm ready to prepare for this proxio to get a

more to you have a opportunity to have he matter he he'd be turner that he doesn't

make me or he said I'm let me want to make me would be be very gratificant for me

me. It's like zeroed the game, but we're going to zeroed game, but getting the best of the story. How is this confront of stilis? Because John Jones, he is a guy that has a one trocation good, yeah, just most to the long of the career. Never was a guy of a punch, to give a knockout, but there's cutovers

affiades there in the pet, there, there's much technique, but there's a lot of ground and pound, there, some finalizations there, that comes more on the side of the wrestling. How do you think you'd have this casement of stil's your, with someone with the game, John Jones? but this other lot is a lot

very difficult because the Juni is a man is a character a guy a guy very versatile in all the he does

a man is let's make the the job to develop the part the part more fraquian to put to

get him and study the lute at the first and try to try to do the job

there try to try to try to try to try back the manira

thank you thank you thank you this correlia of Fight Week, good sort in the first main event on Saturday, and I'll rebeen to myel.

I'm going to be able. The hour of his will get, it's the war of the Amazonia. But I train no, he's the same I train in the

Selva, I'm trying to play with. Now we're to see a fight week to have to talk with John Walker Douglas Lima and Tainara

Lisboa, who are six and the Saturday, and the Brazilian Diego Lops that brilled even with the

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On the other side of the line, we have been Johnny Walker who does one of the duties principal of the UFC this is about the last year. The last year is the minute of five to three rounds.

How is that you moved? What is the evaluation you do this try in the main of the camp? He has to try back much things. It's always

train for five rounds. Part of the technical was, it's clear that it's not It doesn't not because it's not

the we're not we're trying to the other the world yeah,

so I'm don't no more never try to five rounds if if you want to

do five rounds, it's and I think that that is you know to think this idea

because the UFC has done this have done times for the five rounds

people in people to try that you were to be

playing for maybe was the plan on the I don't need to because, if

God wants, I'll need to just a round just, but if you're more, if you're just more, three rounds also, it's good. When we're on a patamar

like this, in a rank that you, the 5, the , you don't need more, just if the guy was very

very good really, the level, the level of those two were very pario, there needs

more rounds to know, but we have very power of knockout, so I'll finalize my hand when I go knockoutier or to get him in Jujit

also, I'll finalize him in the first, in the second round. I don't want to need to be able to move to strategy. You're in ballade for two victories

to the first round exactly when Kutrelav and Paul Craig is the last in the New New New York. He was in a good phase

too, winning three in the first round but he got per Pernka Lave in the ultimate. How can you you have been a

a guy very very different. I'm a guy with 50 luts in a career,

just went all the time, he was in a bad for a bad for a lot of the last,

how you have been a different that he can't a lot of you. For me,

he's an excellent adversary, a guy of a high level, so a lot of him

a victory against a guy of this patamai and will be to be able to know how

I'm to get more possible the centuron the objective is being a champion

So a lot, a victory in on the victory, it will be a great deal to me will be able to depending on how finalize him, how I'm going to if I want to do

it's all right, will show the my level, now, I'm going to make the point and I'm going to put to the title.

The last this is the final, there's this move on the rounds, but you lamented that

not it's because it's a card of, it's, it's, it's, it's been

there's much attention too, but not it's a a lot of a big of an event on ABC,

that is a channel gigante in the United, how is you, it's to robes there,

at least with a victory rapid, yeah, that's a moment, and it's a turn to

this trae of the night. It's a event, for me, not far me, doesn't much, I'm going to

all the world, all over the whole, but many people, not present much the first when you're,

at the card principal, if you're talking in the card the principal is good because I don't

have no no, I'm not the performance that I always want to put a performance that I call to call it, to finalize

him or a couch him, so it was in the first, but in the time certain when we're

going to print it will be a performance good, everyone will be being so for me it's not

it's a main event or come an event what important is the how you see this

moment in the division, there's a lot of a new a newmover he was a champion, he ended up the last little

for Jamal Hill he's a posentor the pro-hasker he's not when he wants, it's all very open, you think, there,

there's a more this lot for cause of this you're getting there and winning in a form a vassalado and being

going to you're preven in the first round, a knockout, a finalization you think you you think you

see in this conversation for a question in not there nothing marked the first the first

the first the first the first I could know, I could put my job I'm doing,

I'm, I'm working too hard, man I'm very focused there's doing a more value,

for my career for cadace, training, eating, eating, not getting the victory depending on

the performance I'm going to give a revanch with Jamal yeah he was

in rank number five too and he received opportunity to to go to the so for me, I think it's

it can be different too, everyone will go to get a reposte against Jamal I'm having this victory because

you know, but you know a lot of a month and the the guy will be, I think it's so I'm

I'm in this pattern here to pin the opportunity and you have a super will come rapidly. So, for

those the lessons that you took from that you took to back you you just

won't, what you You've moved, that you evolved, what were the apprentices that were the other that's the

battle of the problem. I learned a part of defense, no, man, that's a attack,

is to absorb, the goal the time the time the time when you, when the when the guy is you

are blocking all, you're not saying the you're getting the the guy's getting the counter-gulpeer.

So I tried much to the defense, the movements against, the chesto back, the arm more more

more than, movementation, so I really this part, because I was just attack, just to get to

and boom, do a porrada. So, not just do that's a lot of it's a ,

to be able to the time, I'm going to my part of defense. And part of strategy, too,

expect a time, make the trap-z-in to the guy, to be used to you to get him,

so I evolve, I've got more more of my defense. My attack as well,

I'm going, now, I continue to be doing it for a opportunity, you know,

can abo can this chance, depending, but there Anka Lev, running for there,

there's a pro rach, as we're the Rosh, as we're going to know what you know, and there's a

new name that's not in the way of that's a point in the last time, but then the last time,

he's going to do a trilogy with him, you know, you know, you think he will be to be in

category, or you think he will come back to come back eventually, maybe I'm going to

I know, I know, I know, I don't know, I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm,

for the person I'm going to be with a piece of weight of my is very difficult. Dece of 110 kilos. So I'm going to do with a day. I'm doing three months. I'm with 100 kilos now. Seeked, just in the water,

more to lose. There's time to fall as 7 more kilos. From where I'm going to take 7 kilos? It's complicated, you know? So I know. I know I'll go to be in a time for here, for a 2,000. For sure I'm going to be able to do this year.

The time you think of your life will be able to do for the peso? To better It's a better Yeah, it's not Because I Will take a Because I'm

Pesue More, I'm gonna be Yeah, I'm gonna Yeah, Dieter will continue That I'm gonna continue Cometh Yeah, I'm gonna continue to

Coney-Nap-a-cumannibal But I'm gonna'certained But I'm gonna'clock The guys not were in a diet and I was in diet and had to batten

on the three even, how it's the you know, you know, you don't have that kind of you know,

there's a kind of that's not that you get a big brocha, you know, and then to look like

so much so, so, the diet is in the final of camp complica

to get to you can't be a energy sufficient, you know, but will better,

more my life, so much my life so big more, I'll continue more,

more, recuperer more recuperer more rapid, I'll put to be able to be to get a good to get a lot of your life.

So, I'm sure my performance will be able to make the performance, will be able to eat a day of day of the day of the

day of the food to be eating. Ah, man, I don't, I feel like that the calorie

me. You don't eat enough enough to eat, you know, to eat, too, all,

go, to come a pratton there, well, but, you know, salad, yeah,

car, yeah, the portion is a more, but you I just got to come in, you say, Porn, I'm in this. Comey,

I'm just to satisfy, yeah, come to you feel like, well, I'm, then, I feel like, I'm feeling, because I'm coming a little, but even as you say,

pooh, I'm, you know, but I'm just, but I'm just, I'm just a bit of a bitacin, you have to figure, you know, during the camp, you can't eat

more than you can, for example, come to, in the summer of the lot, yeah. And you, you feel, what you train,

is, clearly, you're getting close to your alge to to finish the cycle for the hour

of the whole but you're in your performance in the training, it's better than you

do you do you have in the night of eating more eating more, eating more, how is this

work? Pio, no, I have certain, in the last sparring,

I I was I was happy because I could be , I was

getting didn't, nobody me batte, I could get to

drop some with the car and all. But I know that I could have made a lot if I'd have

more energy here, you know, you'd do a brochada that you see that energy not in that's like that's

if you were eating here, maybe my I'm gonna have a dinner dinner time time time great,

get down to get back here, not a barragile two hours after you have been satisfied you know with energy

because he's a man he was a manned I could develop much better in the parrens and

could put to talk the guys more high, more entry to get more shoot, because I'm

economizing a little energy there, because I'm not economizing, but you know, you know, you know,

and on the day of the Luta, when I, P, Sastafira I, come to a caramba, I recuperer to a day to

other, I'm sure of glycogene in the muscle. In the Lut, I will perform with a

machine, because I know, if in the camp, that I was with a Rationationation

that I could be performed well, imagine of glycogen, full of energy in the body.

I have a lot performance much better than the train. So, Andrew Smith, that pay this patto

by the diet and the yeah, yeah, it's going to pay, man, but I'm

being, you know, I'm doing much a lot, I've been a diet, man, rationing the food,

my university was day 30 of March, I, I'm, just to have a memory,

you know, the most ballon, grand-on, and I, For, I'll pick a merriquin, just to feel just to feel the ghost. Imagine, no one of the anniversary,

you can't put me a bowl. It's 30-de-marce, my anniversary, was. Neither the bowl I'd come. From the other side of the line we're going to bea-law. Ex-Campion, Pesomede, of Belator,

that's a daughter against Costello of Vance Tennis. My name is back the podcast, how is it being the rest final, the last few days of preparation for this lot, in Paris,

the best scenario possible to say in a porad, yeah, Well, but it's but it's a time. It's the last

time. The training Mike has just the course of the course of the end up to the

first of the first of but it's all in the schedule and we're in a buska to make in

a buska of one. The your last a year what's what's what's

this demora? It was part of the plan really to try a

time more or there had something that you forced to

get a little it was nothing, I wanted, I wanted I'd

want to no, I'd know, I'd want to get in that carge in

Japan. It's like it's like to get to get too more, the thing gets all

more difficult. No, but it's no, but I don't know much, I need to

to be much, I'd be more busy, but I'm too too, I'm too,

I'm too when they're they, they'd be this here now. You're you feel that this, in a certain way,

you atrapare a little in the performance, not start so active as quite you'd want to be in a question. But I think,

in a person, more active, the performance helps, the performance, it helps, I think the comfort gets more,

I don't know, to explain, but, I'd be more, and I was a bit better in the lute, I'd like,

I, I'd, know, more, I'm, sometimes, but, but, I think, it's,

it's been better than you're more, but you're, three Luda per year,

it would be the ideal. Uh-huh. So, the last we talked about you said, you said,

you said, you're going to be able to be able to you know, it's not so easy when you were

a girlotan there to do that the training when you did that this, this pegada

of training, like, training the more and more intelligent, yeah, with certain because,

put, train a year to do you do a lot and the the and the body

no the the legons get, but I'm doing the normal, when I'm

mark the lot of the really, then you get a really, but this piece maybe,

it's even better to train more more, you can do to do it do you get to get the better

because we are eating more, you know, I think it's also, and

to cut more less less pay, it's this sub- this is

this is a final or is this I think I don't know if I do count of

batte the 170 more than I'm the first first time I don't batte the other pasted there that's a

way that I'm just over I always say to the people to get a first lot you know you can't

not battle the pace then it and it happens it but but I

I think it's it's definitely maybe I'm back to back more

for 170 no and how how it was this life of camp like a

a piece a little food, food, how can't get this part of the way that's

that part of the thing, we're just train and come pox, other thing, because, pox,

you train and do you train, and eat, and come, these food, a

diet, so, sometimes, I'd a time, I'd always, I'd

always, never problem, yeah, not, not batte, but, but,

but, but, was always been so, so, do you know what we

we'd pass up there. But with but with a question, less one for the

person for a really, in the training, everything do you have to do you go back,

and I'm about that's a camp there's been a camp very very yeah, yeah,

there even a sparring special, did a , po, did a sparrie with Michael B of order,

how is this session of training with him with Chris him. That was there was show

of ball that, you know, that experience da-hora. He and Michael Mayers there was very da-hora to do that film there.

Poe, it's not easy, no, rapace, no, rapids. We've got trained in there more than at least two hours to put a senna of five seconds, you know? Poe, it was, but, poe, I've gotteed

too much here, there's more opportunities to do this. It's very manner, really, how is it how is it the convict for,

to grab to them to go to go back, he'd go back in the academy their,

he'd know, some guys of the films, yeah, they've done the

there, they, they, not the stuff, the Chukon Jekierre, and the

Chukin' went to to me, there, they gave a look at and, po,

no, the second, the second they were, they needed to terminate the film, to do a last

scene and I needed and I said, no, man, man, come to do you do that my man,

you know, you know, it's a how you, it was the, the, the exigency. It was

exigency, exactly. I said, no, I'm gonna let me, put a , let me

manner, it was the man, mannour, man, car, no, got got

got got that, I, I'm, and I , and the time, so,

was, it's, two hours, you were, was two hours, doing Sena with Michael? It was with Michael Mayors, this

me. It's the sparring, yeah, of the Lutte, we've got to say, man, ensuing, all the time, it was two hours filming,

car, a scene big piece, you know, the film. And the guys, and the guy is a

car can't, like, it's a thing, you know, the way, the way,

the way, the way, the people, the car, rala, man, the guy, rala, man,

it was, and the , and the telonas, if he vials to the world real, to box, he had a

jeet? Rapace, so, depending on the the lute, it's not, it's not to do you,

know, because, in the Michael Mercer said, he said, he said, one,

one only so training, so, so, so, a bit bit, big, big,

big, big, big, but, with the certain, he'd focus more

just in the training maybe, it, do you, do you, but, so,

the film, just, put a time of training for every film a lot of every time no,

the Michael Bidjord I don't traine with him that's he was, he was made, so I trained with another

I don't see the way that's the Bidjore I don't see I think he's better because he does this

much time this film of box with the he's better than the other technically technically

I'm talking I'm talking to I'm trying to I'm I'm sure better so he'll more so

it's more way And the Costello, what you What do you think he's He's like he? A guy, a man, a guy Duro, yeah, car Duro, poche, she's,

good in-pe, good on the and it's just to see that he really has to be a lot, a lot, a guy, great,

very high, I'm a big, a lot-o-and-a-lut, another lute, not, no-lut, no-exist, and,

it's been da-old, it's been-da-oh, it's been the guy, I think he's in the top there'll have a victory

against the bichon who will be a lot of the lot of the buchamp to put a lot to get a back a year

you know, or you think it's a lot of a finalization? Posh, knockout, finalization what I

want, but we have to have prepared to the lout entire, no, no way,

it's it's very difficult to terminate our end today, not it's not a out to finalize, so we're in

a buska to the knockout for sure, but prepared to to do the three rounds, you know. On the other side of the line

we're just there's been the end of the last time with the enderrott but it's a goody special, yeah,

car, to confront a mobsaheuvre, and do that, many people doubted that was possible, even more of

a lot, with a lot, with three, five days of antecedence there, well, well,

welcome to the podcast, first, the first, perhaps, the excellent performance, how can

what you do you guys this last month? This last last month this one last month was a single

yeah, it was a month when the guys were when the guys announced and then the lot of

the lot of things happened really really so much but, but I'm happy really

man, I'm really, because finally came my moment to be

independent of the we're having had gone and you I was in Nova Jersey,

how is what you roll this negotiation for you can get a lot so, so pretty much. No, no, I was,

I was training I was in Guadalara that's the city where I train there's a place where I'm radical in Mexico and I'm also

I'm also training in the city in Guadalara I was training there, and I was gonna receive a call my

company saying oh, Diego, your visst my vista is my voice did you're all right, I said,

I'm gonna be able, I'm gonna look to do you you're tomorrow of the morning, in Los Angeles

to do you know the medical and in the time to go to get to the time, we're going to

the train, we're going to get the house, I'm getting my clothes, I'm going to get to the airport of

the morning to Los Angeles and you know, you know, that's over that I'm you're going with a lot

markable in the circuit regional or I was like training of live without a

camp so? So, we think a We're a lotator, we're We always trying Not in a rhythm To play, like in the final of

Semana now But we're always We're always I'm trying to A lot of the day 23 of April But so Knew the Luta

Tch Tia 24 of March Caeled also The other day December Caeled also The Luce

So from So it's time So it's gonna Poh, yeah Inchelna Yeah So I was also a little more focused

in my companion who is the Alexander Costa who will be to be 17 June and the Irene Aldana that is a lot

to be a 20 May I'm so that now I'm more focused in help to help them to help but I'm

trying my training, I'm trying the force this I'm not I'm making my training there but not

not like a my body not was prepared to be prepared to fight to look like to do the final

of the time not you never really that we that in the summer of the last time of

the world, you're able to cut to pay for a person, and so, not there's this preparation.

Everyone would ever would be able to wince tranquomely, the guy for a favorite, 10 to 1

even more, but you're a guy who has a career good in MMA yeah,

I'm just having this opportunity of this opportunity, but with a guy that was a

person who didn't give chance in the lot, and you, not just most most, you know, it's

finalize the guy two two times, you know, you're surprised with with some thing he did, you think it

really, it was a chance of a little bit of a little but it was a little bit your head

going to this lot over this little bit. So my head the look was like my professor

when we had announced the lot I said, I said, it was a lot of a lot

duna but I think it's a opportunity for we show that we're capable. And I

I said to him, I said to my professor, I said to some people who are more closer to me, I said when I came to when I'd get in UFC, all of my lute, I would be able to bring

by the bonus, you know, I would go to, to gain the bonus, depending on, I would be able to lose, so. My objective was it was like, to try to neutralize the game of his, in the sense of

not to let's just control the luta, you know, if not it's there, I'd attack also, that was what happened in all the lot, from the

first round until the first round, and the end of the I don't know, I don't see car,

I was a feeling of that was a sensation unique to realize a dream, it was a

goal, but unfortunately not it was possible this time. What

what was to for he to be he? He not say russ

I think, because we know the guys are the guys are the

guys don't go to bathe, I've the experience also to look with a russo, which was in 2018,

that I've played in Russia. And the same thing, I'm actually, an armilock on the car, the guy,

the guy, no, man, I've gothue, man, I got to, it's not back,

so I think, it's, it's a part of the moment, that you get in the UFC not will be a lot of

a lot of, but it is the number 10 of rank like it, like it's, Air Move Live, not, if you're the number 10,

he's not going to be a chance and not want to lose the invicto of him. We know, how are the guy. So I think the only thing that is that he not

was Rousseau. And what the next step? You're going to take a time to get to stay? To that you're going to what you're thinking?

Yeah, now, for, thanks a God, I'm going to visit my family. I'm here at the airport for this

to visit my family, after my family, , after almost like eight years just over longed

and I'm only, I'm going to see them, I'll be able to see them, get in five, six days

with him, do a more a discansada to get this suspension that the guys me did,

that are so I'm then I'm try to try to do this 30 days to organize

some things of my life and then and start to retomers the training

again, and I'd like to like to go out of October, or September with the

campament complete and well, and be prepared. You think you'll be able to

see with Evooe in the future? It's the idea, I think we did a

good work against him we did a good work, so I think the

idea is this is that, the idea is that is that is that is that not like a

lot to a lot of a a lot before I don't see we'll let us

we'll be the future and more because we're like we're like the same age basically

so I think we can't maintain a good a good sequence of the victory I think we

can't be able to but more more than more than just to just to just to

see you a guy who's being in this valanche Mexican that's invading the FC yeah

picking various contours with opportunity now now another and

Amanda Nunn another Saga-raza-Graza-Grazza against Valentina Tjavichenko. How he's been trying to be this, some years ago, those 10 years ago in Brazil, I'm taking various symptoms,

how was that explosion of audience in the country, with various champions, how has been created in the last months, the last few years, the last few years, the success of the athletes Mexicans, the NFC?

No, there have subbed a audience of the MMR here, many people just dared to know the depost because, Before, the sports most popular,

so in contact, was the boxer, that's all the world know, that the Mexico has a baggage very great in the boxel, but now, from time to come,

has made a lot of a lot of that the brando more got the first Mexican is, nascid, here in Mexico, to gain the

long, Alex, the first woman Mexican, a nascida, and if not was a little, in training,

training, in Mexico, be champion also. Loggera also came to Jaye Rodriguez also who got

the Tentoron interino and now the Irene who is to go to the contract with Amanda also

to the time and then now the MMA in the country is all the all the side and not

so with these four four luthers that are the people who are the people who are still who are

getting also on the F.C. not as in other other companies too so I think

they are opening the door to par here from Mexico to to move to to make up to know,

the next to the next to the arena with Amanda Nunes, yeah, that's a other would be the

would be Audeana counter Pennington, but it came to the croca there, came to

the collar of the chasel the centuron that was mericing too, how you

see this this duel between them, the Amanda reina in the two categories

in the FC have, he took the contract, but the conquistor

the centuron with the contueruer the of Aldana, what perigues Caledana

that Amanda still not infronted in the FCA? Yeah, I think Amanda is a lot of

a lot of category, we know, we know that we can't say that the category,

so, but I think the our team and what we have done is used to be accustomed

with this, to look with people like the like the Alexa, with the

Valentina, all the all the whole came the valentina invenciv and us we've done

we did our I think we can surprise, too, Amanda, of this way, to show you,

to show, a manned not a question, I'm going to be the number of boxing that has a

Irene, and surprise the lute, surprise the second, the second to the team to

and the fourth cituron to the second to not have a question, she's,

she has been the Valentina Chiv Chivchang, finalized, and the result was very surprising, yeah,

the Valentina was dominant the category for a much time. What do you expect for her? You think it will be able to be a revenge immediate or you think

can brought to other adversary for her in this first defense of tito? So, we're, until now we don't have no one ever no proposal for us. Sure, the speculation is

that if it's a recant immediate, but we also also are in the men that are in-sima, that is the Mano Fioreau and also the Harry Blankfield, because I know that are the, they're saying,

then also it can be the next so it's it's a very much of the UFC have been

to be able to the UFC have been to accept to make a whatever we're doing to defend

what is our our cinturon so whatever the other of the UFC

to make to be we're ready to be ready to be able to just to just to

end of the day two two Mexican the champions yeah and

Rodriguez against the Alexander Ivanov in unification of the centurons, and the Briano Moreno

against the Pantoja in a lot guarded, and you're in a lot of these two duels of Mexico, Brazil and Mexico,

Australia. Yeah, I'll be to look at the Jai against Vaukounovic and I, because I

go always never, that I'm going to know the other guys of my category, see how the level that they

are, what are the things that they repete much what they do. So I always I'm always all the

whole of my category, I'm in the goal, because my objective is always to get to get in the top.

So I'm put up primarily in this look at this is a lot much a lot of

a lot of a lot of that can be, in really, can surprise this Jay and

Rodriguez can surprise the lot as well the lot of the lot of

the so I think so I think it something something very

very very be defined in the detail, so we'll see what they have to present to us. Yeah, in the Luta with with with Brando, I think it's a lot, it's a lot, it's a lot more interesting

because Pantosja has gained Dubrando two times, one in the Tuf and one in the FC, so so, let's see what they're going to, will bring to the

next to the most of the time. I've had the opportunity to train some times co-brand, I have seen the evolution of also. And I think it will be

a lot very a lot of a lot that we're like we're like we're in the

way, but I think the other way I've done with him, I hope that the brother can

be able to the title, possibly get the to Mexico and maintain the holofort to come to

Mexico, which is a country that has been worked in the last time to get where

to get where to where you get a the Cinturon of the F.C. The Cintrault, he is

the Brazil and he's the Mexico. When I get in this opportunity, getting to, getting to the

Cinturon, I think I can't say that's exactly the half and because now I have

eight years, I'm eight years of my career, I have a ten years of my career and eight

years of my career have been in Mexico, so I think that's nothing to do the recognition and the value

to them also because it's been a place that has been a place that has been me has been me has invested in me too, to work to

do you know, to logar what we have done. So I think nothing more just than to represent the two nations, I know,

I know the people don't much of this, but I personally, I'm a guy very grateful to the life, I'm a guy

very, much, very, very, very, very honrado with all the people do you,

so I think Mexico and it's, so too, Brazil, obviously, We need it also, but I think Mexico for all that has done

for me these eight years, I think he deserves too, it's not that I represent him. From other side of the line, now we're in Tainara, Lisboa, that in this sabbado, the strenu, the moment you're waiting for

a lot of Jek, and Giacar, a event grand in the United. Tainara, well, been in the podcast, how is it being the expectative to say in the hand the holoforts of the FC,

the moment that you always dreamed, I imagine. The expectations are a million. I'm very happy. I think it's the

dream of of the athlete of the MMA is the apse of the career to be ingress

to do those my first few passes in this new project, in this project

gigantesque I'm very very happy. They've got to a athlete super-experient a lot of

a lot of a year five, six years not not travers the better the first

but it is a lot of a lot how you evaluate this duel against

Jessica. Yeah, so we studied a lot of it's good that has been a material available, we've done

the points the points more fras, and I think exactly that's the fact of her has been a veterinary

in the FC, does with that it's this point she's not a factically,

we've worked very and found much and found a material of her to do make a

great job there in similar. You know, you have seven LUTs

to M.A. She has more than this she's more than this

said, the experience is to favor of her, but you are this element of surprise, this athlete that many people don't know and maybe I've been been difficult to find video your on internet,

to find the stories to know what you're doing? With her own certainly, she's more the story within the Muay Thai, because I'm from since the 13 years of Muay Thai, I'm bi-campia world,

the two titles not in Thailand, so she has been found a lot of material of this time, but much a little thing of this new

game that I created in the MMA. For me it was very difficult to find

a lot of this story of this story, so many the lot of many of those were

many of those dismarkable, and it's difficult. I've made a certain,

I'm not I'm sure, I have much confidence that I want to show, I'm a

time for some six years of MMA are 17 of an 17 of the

the seven independent, if if I was I was, I was I was trying and me preparing

much to be prepared much to be able to make the best of the time, but after it's been many years

there, even to go to do a sequence for what you have this interval there?

I have a great problem with the team. When I I stayed in the M.A. I was

with my team of Muay Thai, so it's going to do you're good and it's good, it's

it's good, it's it's good, it's just it to do jit, it's another movementation are games completely different. So I did this

lot and I did a time pared, I went to stay this team, to get to get up another place and then it came in the same that I was in greeninginging

a lesion where I had to start to do and I I found today I'm a new team,

that's a team my team my head coach and the my head coach, which is also for this project.

So, from the work was very well made made and I'm very confiant. It's a thing that we see

a little in MMA, that is very common, for example, in the box, that the person monitor the team at your redor to have all over to have all over

you know, in your case also the team was created from zero to be obviously there's other but you're

the focus central of her? Exactly. We've had an opportunity to have a time to via some time

in the academia of Demia Maya, I've been a academy of Amanda Rivas, I'm also in the new union,

with aquet, and I'm going to help in some campus. And all this we went and was

getting the knowledge, was aggregating the points positive, and that we thought, and then

we said, then we're going to make a group, very focused in me, and to bring the

professionals necessary to adder this team. And, of other athletes are,

but the creation initial, was on the same of me and it's the other question about Jessica,

how is you see getting on her on the Saturday? Look, I'm be able to I think

the camp I did, there's a lack of opportunities, both in the part in back,

and in the part of solo. I've worked much the places, but I

see the then I'm going to get to sit down, you're going to sit

to see, and see the thing the arm principal is a

Muay Thai, is what's in the sign in the thing. Yeah, the sign is a Muaythai

is a strike he got, but also in the way of my time I'm I'm

going to get all into the way to get to get to get to the victory

is that that I'm going to be there will be going to be there on your

video on your Instagram he is watching the video of he

said that when you said he would be there will be that he will be

to be impression to be in the next. I'm going to be sensational, carabab. How is it for you to receive

that video there's highlights, commenting the performance? It's a one thing, I remember that

I still, I still didn't have finished the contract and the athlete pass for much difficulty,

the things not are things are things, and for various moments you think is,

are you don't know the right, whether I don't insisting in the

thing erraters, I can't more a little for now, it's very difficult and receive videos like these

of people so renomated talking so much it's a a little, I'm going to say, I'm going to go ahead

and the way and the way that's doing good, and the time, you're doing that you're in

that's a very little a little a little a little bit a little so just to just to

be looking about your career in Muaythai and I see that you've been you've

How is she, she's her, that she's not the champion, but for many is the best after the best to have been to have alexa

Graz, there was a lot of the challenge too that was a kind of, how it was the opportunity,

how it was the duel with her, where was this duel with her, that would be one of the many of the times in the FCA.

I, I'm also, that she's the best of Malinian, she was, she was, she was,

she was, a job very strong, very solid in M.A. a we've went to

in Peru a few years a lot a lot was very

polemic a we're we're we're and the final of the

time it was because during the there some there were

some tanda the mighta have the the other sports

of the and there there there some did that they

did not were there did there did a bourourourin and

and then she she the way, the way, it's doing certain, we're doing

about it, because of the time, we know, and we're doing a lot of a lot of confusion, it was, it was,

it was, it was, we're doing during the days, we did we're trying, and in the time, I think I had,

I think, I was, I, think, I, was, I, think, was, I, You're going to in the career,

you know, you can't let's be the same, it was difficult, the house was her daughter, she was very

little there, and then we don't get a lot thing. And you know when day you'll

see a encounter in the FCA? With a chance of this. Maria, when you see,

she's going to she think she will be championed to you know, or you think she's going to be championed to know,

I think she's a more, but she I'd like to goastrazzo. She'll... I think she'll a faller,

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