MMA Fighting - Trocação Franca | Demian Maia analisa Charles do Bronx x Makhachev e comenta volta aos tatames

Episode Date: June 22, 2022

Demian Maia ainda quer fazer uma luta de despedida do MMA pelo UFC. Enquanto não convence Dana White da ideia, porém, o faixa-preta dá mais um passo no retorno aos tatames sábado, quando enfrentar o ex-campeão do UFC Ben Henderson na Europa. Em papo com o Trocação Franca, Demian falou do duelo e explicou por que não cogita lutar em outra organização de MMA, apontou Charles do Bronx uma luta complicada para Islam Makhachev e Khabib Nurmagomedov, elegeu Marcus Buchecha como o próximo grande nome da arte suave no MMA, e quais lendas do pano gostaria de ter visto competindo mais vezes nos ringues. O melhor do MMA brasileiro no Trocação Franca, toda quarta-feira, com o jornalista Guilherme Cruz e convidados. Demian Maia still wants to make his final walk to the cage under the UFC banner. While he hasn’t yet convinced Dana White of the idea, Maia returns to the mat this Saturday in Europe to grapple former UFC champion Benson Henderson. In a long chat with Trocação Franca, Maia discussed the matchup, why he hasn’t considered competing for other MMA organizations, why Charles Oliveira is a complicated foe for Islam Makhachev and Khabib Nurmagomedov, why Marcus Buchecha is the next big jiu-jitsu star who will succeed in MMA, and which BJJ legends he wishes to have seen compete more in MMA. Listen to Trocação Franca with Guilherme Cruz every Wednesday to hear from the biggest names on the hottest topics in the Brazilian combat sports world. Follow Guilherme Cruz @Guicruzzz Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Ikeen home to life. Listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Seniors and Seniors, in command of podcast Trocaation Franca and representing

the M.M.A. Fighting in Brazil Guilermi Cruz Hello, Lombe a quadragift in the third

episode of podcast Trocafranca to the same to the sphero. I'm going to Glarendruis, correspondent on the site

American M.M.A. in this fall after day, that after 15 years put a rest guard to get a

after alex cowboy and Grep. Finalizing the ex-OFC in San Paulo. Be a bit of my view. And me

tell how it went to go out of time. It was very good, especially, also in an

event, which is a super event, a event very great, I think is the most event of

Brazil today, of Jujits. And the more legal is like, like, like,

so, great lotadores of this generation new, the Mika Galvon,

Leandro Lowe, this guy all, all the others who were there, the old's a mulekada

and that was very great, I came I was getting them, I was talking

this at the collective, I said, I'll hear this guy, this galera

a time know, the the galera this galera new of Manals there,

the of Fabrice, of Mika, but I don't know who was there, I went to see there,

and it was really good and I'm imagine that you know, it's been an emotion too, because you,

especially for who's, for who's one of the major icons, you know, maybe the most of

the jiu-jitsu purro in M.A. For he had been been very very emboccinant too, too,

yeah, it was very very great, because there a molekada to try to try photo,

and, And, car, the climate of Jiu-JITZ is very good, because the MMA, for being a professionalism

is very high, the money involved is very great, the climate, it is more the more and it's

the people say, and it's a way with the thing of the thing, the, like,

more violent than the Jiu-Gitz, but there much a to be with the level of

the money involved, with all, you know, you much great, major than

in Jiu-Jitsu. And in Jiu-Jitsu, the climate is much more relaxed you know, everyone there's fighting, is getting, but

the guy is a guy, there's a lot of people who's been in time, you know, now, today, it's

more relaxed than my time, and this is very good. I, I, I, did for the Jiu-Gi-

more focused when I was that Tattami, but I also, but I, also, I, also,

had also, did also, yeah, in the the championship, there there in Tijuca, I've been in a boutade and go

the big-campanato, and what I see about in this difference of the atmosphere of the championships of Jiu-Gitzo to the atmosphere

of the event of M.A. It's what you said the climate is a lot of the way, that's the way of all this you said,

is that a goal of Jiu-Gitzo has a very much than a year, you know, in M.A.

You're in M.A. you're in a future, if you're in a UFC and per you're a lot, you're you're fudited,

to try to to try to try the in the Ceturon, in Jujit, you can't lose a lot of today, and then you're being a champion a multi-old of the CBJ, right?

It happened now, with Leandro Lowe, yeah? Leandro Lowe, perdee for Mika, Galvon, here in San Paulo, in the Bidjia and stay, in the same day that I lutee, in the first day, the first last, man, and I was even talking to him, and said,

oh, I did say, I'm here, I did see more time, and, and the mulek is a phenomenon, also, the Mika. And then I said, Leandro, this will be a, man, a thing now for you to focus on the Worldial and gore

and I, I have certain that, I didn't ask him to ask, but I'm sure that one of the things that he did, Leandro, gained a world, this year, was have been to Mika a month and a half before, because, with

certain, this, it made him more un-li-ligued. And it's what you said, is this, is it. And I think there's one thing here also

that the Jiu-Git only the Jiu-Git's also. The M.M.A. is the showbiz, not so.

For example, if you vending or if you agree, for example, a promoter, he can put in a

lute that be interesting. Let me say, for some reason, the people are the people,

the promoter not what he not, not, it's not, Liga much for you and he goes of another guy who you

think he will put in a lot of so of you know, independent, we'll say you can't

say, you can't have the person who will have a person and you're in your case, you know,

the same, but the first thing, the person who has a lot that causes the luts, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the Jiu-Jitsu, the guy, depends on you

of you know, there's the juiz there, that also there's no M.MA, that's not, but, like, I don't need

to someone to get to me to do a world, I go, I go, the championships that I have to

get to get and I'm to get to a Porn American. I go there, and I'll be to be a American.

So, so, a thing to depend just of you is very good because, like you said, you know,

you're going to get a lot of for you get a whole, because it's not going to give a chance. For more that sometimes

if you know, you know, but you're, the most the most drup of the category,

not the , no, I don't give a chance, because this lot will not be so much,

it's, not. You know, you've been the championship, you're doing, you go, you go,

and go to go and go the other you can't, We've seen, for example, in parallel here, recently, a Tyler Santos did a luntum

with a Valentina had been chenko. Nothing guarantee that she will have a revanch and she, she won't a luther,

it should have been to have been some of the points, but who said she'll have a new chance now,

it depends of someone, maybe two, depends of somebody and say, Tala, she'll be

she'll be a little chance here. And it's very complicated when you're in the hand of

somebody. Now, now, she's, she knows. When I guess she'll know when I'm a strong candidate to to the championship

world. There's no nobody to say she will she will. She will get a opportunity.

She'll have more more than that she did against the grand copian and all right. And this

climate more little in Jiu-Jitsu did you make to move to plans,

of possibility because when you started to flet with this idea to, no, I'm going to

do super-luta just just the car of the M.A. the cowboy, the Ben-Henerson now,

have respired this atmosphere to know, you'll just think, who can't know, in the year,

the world master, something, me'd do want to be to be to get back, and you know,

and you know, to get the your life, you know, and you get in the second,

and then I'm going to get to the story, what's going to the tatamia, but, but,

I've been this experience to know. With this past the my head, I'm sure, I'm saying,

I'm I'm feeling he, I did I did a little, next week, next days, I'll do another a lot,

so I'm seeing how I'm, I'm feeling very, I'm going to see you know, I don't know if you're going to

ask you, but I'm trying there's, I'm going to let's see, we'll say, we'll say, we'll say,

I'm going to I'm being, I'm being, so I'm feeling so, I'm feeling well, so I'm trying so, it's a

question very adaptation, right, adaptate the regras, because the Jiu-Jits Sportive, independent of the kimono or or sem, he has a distance

very different in the Jiu-Jits for MMA. So, it's being even very difficult to do you do do this readaptation. The impression that's done is that you're doing a me with a tour, you know, you went to go to Manals. You were in the United, if I'm if I'm going to go to the league.

In fact, in New York, I go a much time, because I started going to go there and Marcellin, I, everyone knows, Marceline and Garcia, is a great friend my, We trained together, gave a law

together, is one of the great responsible for my evolution in Jujits and I believe that I also am a lot of

a phase crucial in our career of a faxam-marro we've trained very together and one was very important

for the evolution of the other competing in the good in the good in the community so I'm

going to not just to train but I'll I'll do the seminar there in the

United and I to go to be to visit affiliates, also these things. I'll do and I do camp. I'll do so I'll do camp and I'll and I'll visit affiliates, this type of thing,

to do a class in a academy of their. But the question of Manals here, the people of Melk and Galangor was, like, I was, I was like, I said to Melk, and I said to Belk, I saw,

in fact when I was I was, I was going to make sense. The Mika and the Fabrice Anderay were on my side with Melk. And the way he,

he'd be to keepsia, and he'd do Mika and the Fabrice, before the when Mika would have,

the hour certain, I'd say, to give a, shot z'n't a lot of a lot of to get aquece to dis-ekekees,

with a professional that I never had seen in Jujit. This me impressioned much. And before Mika

to get I, I said, I'm, I thought, I'm going to, I'm going to do a train with this person there, because they're differentiated.

Then he gained, I I made a message to Mel, he said, he said, he said, even I thought that was a bigadier, and then I went to there, car, and it's a thing that I pretend to do more, you know, to

go to the muck, with my, with Fabricio, there, there, the Luis Paulo, who is very good, too, too, a man, a manna, LaBrenda, who is a champion, and many

people. And, man, is a guy super humble, super simple, is a

guy, a not- 10, me received very well, but very very very, but

I don't have what I'm very well, you know, this time, independent of anything,

I made a lot, as a person, like, I'm going to go- the

Jujits, and go, and see the guy, there's there's

focused in this, and I to go to go to go and how it's a move to the way to look at least how much, you know, like, you know, because you

obviously, I've always trained in Jiu-GITES, but the Jiu-JUGITS, but I imagine it's different to the guy that's in all the weekends, every year, no? With certain. No, with some positions, for example, the team bolo there, that you don't do in M.A, that you

expose much, especially when you're to be below, to beck, to beck, to beular in some ways, in some ways, that, you in the M.A. It's perigose to do. and in Jujit you can do, so you can do many possibilities different

when you don't have a soko coming in your direction. It's very interesting. I think, many things, the people say, the Jiu-Zitsu, moved very,

but I think that many things that are in today, have been in my time, various of these chaves-of-pess, passages.

I think that more a perfeasua, with certainty, with more variations. But, So, so, many things were used

in the time but you take a guy that does on a level, for example, the Mika, which was a

guy that I trained me a lot, it's very great to see, I think it is very

impressive because for me this mulek he me remember much I said this for my people who

asked, the time we had when we trained was the way, the way to

the way the way the way the the tranquillity to do positions without despero, the technique, the attack of costas

very well made very things like the mentality of the lute, the tranquillity me remembered much Marceline he really is

impressive. This elogin for him to moldurar for the guy if being prepared to Marceline not anything is true

it's right but but but car me remember It was right. I remember, Marceline. He,

the Marcelin, like, today, in the era, a structure more than he was

at a bit of 808 kilos, 87, that was very great, for the big, but the

little bit too and he's in a middle of 801, but so, so far this

difference muscular, of the time, although the Mika is very very strong, even for the time of his, maybe a little more than Marcelline, but me remember much.

And, even, I think I'm so you see, one thing that Marceny was that was to get a car as grand and champions and make the

lute, to him, and get to what Mika did now. Mika gained not only only so of Leandro Loh,

no B.J.J. that was a champion this year or so two pesos in the amount of of him

he won't the champion world of the year last, who was the rookie, I think it

was a world a real real so I'm no, I don't know if this year he

was on the so so for who who know the jiuhits know the

difficulty that is you know to be a champion world a major heavy

there's this last technical more more actualized of a guy who's in a day-a-day-a-day

like a week, I think not the type of attack that you have to have to be to be in an Alexko-boy

or a manned who are guys who are in the M.A. So I think you have this pull of the Gata,

to start so probably they don't do this type of training, countercars that are

on the other level so of Jujits Puro, no. Yes, with the

question that, this refinament but the people of the MMA has a thing that not even the Mika has this, but there are guys of Jujit's

good, that don't have, that that's that kind of how I can't say, the, man, of, the, man, to, say, to, say, the, you know, the guy of MMA, he,

car, if you have to enter, he doesn't get in your guard, he no enter, he's, he gets there there, he doesn't take a position, no, he, like, he, like,

he, like, he, will use, physically, the, the guy of Jiu-Sitz, he took a Sometimes he thinks, you know, this even

sometimes facilitates a little, he's, he's, I'm going to say this way to see the better

manner, because he has this mental idea of the the idea, he's going to a manned a lot,

sometimes he gets in a armadilly, but many times, the guy difficult, the other,

I know, because there people, there's a M.M.A. who train them with me,

like he is Silverio, who is a guy that he's a man who car that Lottotton-S. C.,

it's d'Ur all, there's a guy good jiu-jitz. It's not necessarily to get the guy, but he's not even getting a little bit more, getting a person

good jiu-jits. But even if he not get, it's very difficult to make a point, get to a position, because the guy knows to mapia that he's very

volted to M.A. So the guy of the M.M.B. like a judoca, you know, a guy, that was the Ciborri and contrae, and if you put down,

the other side of the guy, he'd say, in Brandon Shaw? But this was a murder, because the brother Chaube simply recused to do do anything, not entered in the guard, not did nothing. So, the lout was horrible,

termed, and it ended up against the game, because the guy of the M.A. did see the end-jewo, and decided that not would have Lutra. It's it, because, car, the guys of the M.M.A. are good in this, and many explosives,

also, the car of the M.A. in general, the question of some of the Jiu-Gitzo, he is more atletic. He is more atlety. You, you expect this posture of Ben Henderson or you think for he's a guy

that's a risk in the competitions he did Luddish recently against the E.J. Agassar he did, you know, against the band

Saunders, that he got in the Greepin also, I remember the ADCC of San Paulo that I went to

DECC He was in he took the absolute, he took the rodovina absolutely, no, he took a pass

of car but he said he he said he said he says So I think he will have this posture, of enter that

to get this posture, yeah, to enter that to get to he's going to he will be he's going to what he does, yeah?

I hope you know, and know, why? Because, independent of what I think it's going to do it,

if he'll arm, or if he 'll have been too chato to the, for the event, for the public, and,

you know, if there's a thing I've learned in the MMA is that you have to, you have to,

you, you can, you, the MMA is difficult. At least don't do, like,

in my case, of the lute, at least I'd always, I'd always be a lot of chata, but the guy was in the end of the

game, not even I never jogged fuging, you know, like I'm playing, going to get into,

when I was I was always I was always, I was always the guy, he said, oh, Devin did this fight

chattah, but it was because my adversary was the anti-jogo and not came to try to try to me

to knockoutia to try, to try, uh, never an adversary came to me, like,

go, knockout the David, like Wandeleys, you know, like to Kappa, never, never. The two nocouts that I've in the career, in the reality, that not came to that

localte classic, was that was that was a localte, but was, it was, was a, Nate Marklet. The Nate, exactly,

for Nate, that was that he was there, not, he was re-bocating, he was there, and he was there, and he was

the same thing, was there, a little bit a trocation, he cruised for over the, and in my jab, and he picked,

but nobody never came to say in the when it came to when it came to say in the mouth and it was good like the horror and he came to

come to say in the hand and it was a lot-in-law and it was now I think when you enter with this mentality like I don't

go to get in my own or get there so it's really years of the M.A so I know that it's important

to agrar the public I saw I see there in B.J. When we we went to

the person I went to the cowboy of that He was in car, he's made this, because we know that is legal, the public

goes. Then I went to the other people who I'm asking like, you know, get tense to do this, do you do things?

I said, I said, I'm sorry a whole year. In an event that the guys do you know, and the life entire I said,

I said, I thought, I was to talk to cowboy, me do a impuron z'n with respect to call attention

to the lute, I don't put to until we we'd say in a porrard there, but I'd I'm a little bit with respect,

because, you know, does part of the show also, and there's, that's a little, it's a little, this show, a little, with respect,

but there's a little, but there's a little. He is more less less than the cowboy, and this can't, you think the, the fight gets more

difficult, because the guy, maybe be more more, and, maybe, maybe? Yeah, probably. I don't know,

is, is, maybe, he's more, less, the cowboy, is a medium, in theory, but he was a small.

The cowboy, he was a medium, big big large, very long and it was a very much, we're going to wait a boy,

until 8,4. This is a little bit so, but I don't see if cowboy came to

beat 8,4 in our battle. So, and the Behran should be for this,

181, 88, 82. Yeah, the Berrensen is he's got a in Belator

to September, in the person, no car that is a kind of to go to

well, you know is he didn't be in 70, he'd be in a maximum to he's

he's a he's at he's a but he's a little he's a little bit he's

he was a little bit so he's well, he's done he's been the weight and you're

a guy that's he's a man you're the middle not you're middle not you're

yeah exactly exactly exactly like the cowboy was the middle and

maybe but I I think no I think not I think it's a difference not so

so great for the cowboy of the peas a few kilos and I think he technically has more experience than

the cowboy in the Jiu-Gitso so the tendency is to be a lot more than the game of he's got

he did or the lot of M.A. that he's finalized for many people in M.A. What is

the arm more more per the game of the opinion? You have to put this

triangle here, this matalian? I've seen he doing, he he's he's some chaves

of the lot of some but I think defensive he's good he's very he defends

postas very well he can't the people get to get a difficulty to get

so he he has a game a good so sobe very correct of Jiu-Gitz

compete have experience it's a man good jiu-jitsu. When we conversed the last

last time, you said said you said he said would be interested in who's not whether you know,

maybe he's going to get more to go back with him after this to do that the submission underground?

I even put the Edel in contact but I think not because I don't know because I know,

I'm saying, I know I'm really for this part but it's been submission underground they had some

some some support there's I think it's like it there's more, I hear of what I've heard of say. I don't know if I'm correct or not, I'm talking beseeer, so it's

if they're lost this support, maybe, financially, it's more this type of lot. I get it. Really, the bolster of a Camaroosma to enter in a lot of grab and it will be a kind of

a thing barata, no. No, no. No, no. With that interview, you said, you even said that was still interested in a lot of

a meeting of a new MMA but I think so if it was in the F.C. The plan is this? The plan is

this. It's a chance little. I have a conscience of this because not that

the F.C. I'm not that me looking for this. I have a relation very good

with the F.C. Especially in Brazil in Brazil but in all the Brazil,

I have made things for them. I don't see you you accompanied on YouTube

talk. Fantastic. The comments. It's the funcadiers. There are other projects that we're talking about. I like a lot. I love a lot of the country is too. The guy is

too, I adore everyone. And I want to continue with them, or looting or being together in the work, and doing the things with, because it's a house that I'm from

2007, so, so it's a time. So, it's a time. no no possibility or an offer because you free aid between the M.A.

So you can't go to any way there's a no, there's a lot, no, be there's a deal,

for another event for cause of this here. Yeah, it's all right. You can't say, you can't say,

it's impossible because it's that you can't sometimes you know imagine, there's a sometimes the guy can't

because he can you want to you have this condition but I I think I could even not what I want, but

since I don't have any of the FACC, you know, like, to, to finish the door is what? Continue to do the things, for more simple that are the things that I'm doing with them, are things that are things that I think they have a potential of the crescment, and I want this,

you know? And then I'm not thinking in, it's obvious, many of them. I say, well, but you're not going to a event X, you're going to do do this, you're doing these things in the FC, you never will do. I know, but there are other

factors that me interest also put money in the bolso, you know? The money is good. Grazie of God, I could do with my career. I can't live a life of the way that I want. I have a job.

I still do my sonarious. I have my school of Jiu-Jitsu and the filiadas. But, man, I don't have this gancance. I want the gancia financial, I think I have a

gancia of making to make the way to make my school to get a gigante to make the

family biggents to make my seminars more differentials as much I'm

I'm able doing programs with UFC good good documentaries this type of

so this is an ambition the the money will be the first I never

put money in the first not I don't talking this

I'm like a moralist, like, oh, no, I'm I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, loch, the money is good, and, thanks a God, man, if, today I have in my house, I've got to pay the house of my father, I bought a house now of my

my auntie, and I'm, and I'm just a lot, and I'm many people of my family, it's thanks to the money. But really, man, no is my, no, no, no, there's nothing wrong, if it was, the my motivator number one, but

But really, not it. Never was. And now, never even know that's a question of time for the UFC to do a event in Brazil, do you have a event in San Paulo, and you're sitting in the studio, you're doing the

videos, doing specials and stuff, it's all right, get a good day, people, I've got to my lute at the S&FSI in the United States of South Paulo. Yeah, of course. And then this helps

to roll out, right? With certainty. But you think will be some sentiment, if not roll, this is not really I'm going to be a question. I'm very resolved

about this, car. I think could, it would be a lot of a lot of despeded, but also if not roll, my career is a process, it was a process in the jiu-jit sportive, was a process in the ADCCs, was a process

in the MMA and continue to be a process now of competition, but not just of competition, as a professor, I'm trying to be a perfectioner, for example. Today, a thing, a that's a thing that I have a program of fundamentals that I've developed

for a lot of time, but I'm always I'm already, I'm doing, all the day I came to my name to the academy, I'm developing a program of a kid, I'm based on other people that I see, conversing many people, with the people, from Favio, of Alliance, conversing with Akiara,

when I was looking, things of Rih, and the Henry, that are very good, so this point, and go, and, and, and, and, and, so, to me, to develop a methodologies, now,

of a child, then I'm going to develop a methodology, I'll, I'll see, like, to a person, going to be a little, then I'll develop a course here, of attack of cost, you know, that I did, I did, J.J. Fanatic, Scumernado, I'm going to bring this to

the paper and I'll give this course, or I'll teach my professors here in the Academy to be able to administer this course. This type of thing, it does part of my career, not a end, different than the guy who is a lot, I think the guy that is

just a athlete, I think the Jiu-Zo do this possibility very good for you have a career more than you're a career more than this your athlete.

And how is a market today? You have a academy, for a space gigantic in San Paulo.

Imagine that you when you when you turned when you turned to imagine that it would be possible,

not a thing, get a time, get a money, as a gym,

the gym, yeah, in the money, this part then I got to get a

person. No, but I imagine that you can get today the money of academia, is the money that you'd not imagine

what would be possible to do. In fact, what I see, this academy here, this academy here, the new, we've got from the new, and is in a new here, that is brought to Jiu-Gitz, in the school of DeMaya,

and in reality, we're still in a phase of break-even, we've got to break-even now, right, to point of equilibrium, because it was invested a lot

here, but she has a potential great, I believe, and it's very I'm very very I'm here that I'm always I'm going to involve these programs now, a program now

of children, we're with a lot of children but I'm but I see the people who have success in the academia, Alliance, the Academy of the Kiah, the Academy of Godoy here in San Paulo, which are academies that have much success

financial. This, with certainty, was very different when I was when I first the market also, I think, of courses, today is very great, which is one that's really, especially

outside of Brazil, but even is little, but outside of Brazil, is very great. The market of seminars, like, for me, always was a thing impressionant, because I, for example, I receive a proposal to day, and so, I don't, and I don't because, if not I'm going to have to have to have to have, my father, my

father, oh, my father, I have to have to go every day, and don't know, but, you know, but, And of all, and of all you know, to have a idea a month after you know, I made a seminar

in Canada, I came here and the other time, did a seminar Uruguayana, which is in the frontier of Brazil with Argentina,

get on the extreme the South. And then there's people here in, I, like, the interior of Minas and there's the

guy there there's in Singapore, there's a guy there that I'm there I've got to have to be here, I've got the

guys of the people of the country of Manchin there's, from London Fight Factory, that I go every year, the people of the Federation of Grace there and the Rickson, the herald, the people there, from the world.

So, it's very great this market. And it's a thing that I go so much, because, I say, when I was a little, my son was to be to go and to try. And seminary is this, you're going to and you will be saying that it's more relaxed of what you're not going to be in that focus totally, you're focused

in the seminar, and today, I'm I'm trying to reflect, I'm how I do to do this seminar in a form different? Because everyone does always the thing, go there, do a lot? And then I started to develop things to the seminar and are doing the certain

to do, to do a program of excellence, when I went to the seminars, the people are going to be, two hours and a half, three hours with me, but they have to have a value good in that, and I get a value good and there

have happened so I'm going going to go and I'm going to go and I'm a thing I like I

want to do you want to have to maybe I'm maybe to make more to do you

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you've also to get this way, to leave your family and to live your family and move there in Europe and do probably a great amount of what

you do with you do with because it's in dollar and euro and everything. I think, well, also you're going to

spend dollar and gas in but you know, but you have a reason, the US. The cost of

money is there also. Yeah, it's exactly, the relation, uh, the value, but what

happens is, car, it was a thing was a thing what happened. I think it was time. I remember when I was just my Jiu-Jitsu. One of the United first time,

I went to the United States. I went to a first time. I went to a San Diego, to a house of a friend, and I was excited. I said, putt, that's a good, that's a good place. It's like a little bit. It's like a lot. It's a lot. It's great-and-trunker. Yeah, exactly. And then I said, and it's one of my basins. There's a great

friend, my, Flav, who also that also, works with the States of the seminar and I'm going to I came to move there, some four, five months, a little before I'd to go to Anders, but that's when I'd go to work with Anderson, but I'd go to an academy, I'd ever, I'd ever, I'd would. It was, my mother, and the

cats, so I had a kid, no, there was when I entered in a F.C. A few years after this, and it starts to do get a certain my career, and I'd start my life, in fact, you'd be thinking, you know, if you're going to, you'd move to other country is you to change your life all.

Not a thing, there are things involved, there's a family that's here. For example, you have a child. The children will grow up with their avos, probably. I don't know what you can live. The schools are different. The culture is different. The thing is things legal, but there are things that are not so legal.

So you have to think well and what happened? The life was done right. I was able to train here and to to be there, so, the best of the world, was able to make money, and

to go back to back. Vivian, in this conversion, which is excellent, right? Exactly. But I don't discard, I never

discarded, or I, but I, I, I, I know the Brazil, since the problem of the Brazil, we know what is, the difference social,

a gigante, and other things, violence, this type of thing, that is a a thing that really, if there's a motive that I think, it's a lot of

time, it's a difference social, that's very sad, as a business of the violence, that also has relation, it's... I'm 100% that my my daughter, my daughter,

I'll go say in the road with her, with a fear of, with a corner, it can happen to happen something, we live in a place, especially in January, it's much violence, yeah, car, The woman was here,

they put a revolver in the car, and they got a cellar, picked a hand, with my son, my son my son, my children are, my children are, still today, don't want to be in far, no, don't care. So, like, so, like, so, we live in a situation

of a war, especially, San Paul and Hill, and with a scale of the last few years. So, so, this, as a few, me makes very very sad, like, like, to, I think, and, it's, logic, it's

to be a view, with the difference social, obvious, but now, today I think it's very much to have very lenient, you know, no exists, no, there's a, it's, like, it's so, it's,

the guy, did this, or he's, or he said, okay, and it's for this so-for-it-sook, so there's the two sides, so, not the side of the defense social, there, also, the punition, sebranda, I think it's a

a pain, because the Brazil is a guy, that would be to fly, with the time we have, the wealth a good thing is a little

common to say, but the people, the misigenation, that is too, you have people, people, people,

people, people, people people, good, people, good, athletes, for the athlete, and the

misgenation, she proposuring much this, immigrants of all the family, really, my family

there, my family, there, Indian, the other my mom, is Russian, Polish, Ukrainian, you know, like, these are things that exist just in Brazil. I was talking to the other day with Daniel Zuckerman, you know, that was

of Pann, but Daniel was married with the Maluf, that was the husband who had a son, and I said, I said, just in Brazil, this, no, the Judeo who houses with Arab, so this is very good of Brazil, uh,

this, this, so, so, so, so, so, so, then, there a lot, a lot, very, very very, really, it's that I don't

discard the possibility, but I'm going to be a little bit of this, let me have been a bit of that's a

great, yeah, I'd say, well, I'd say, to be depressed, and say, the end of

the end of the end of the world. I'm, you, you know, you that now, you're going to dojuts,

in the adventuranturant of him as a YouTuber, as a commentarist. I'd like the allpits in this

final of our interview here of some what will happen that can happen and so on some of the athletes

and the first the Andre Gavon with Gordon Ryan that will roll in the what you see you expect of this

this look at a bit of a battle on the question with a grottable

durissimo durissimo for the two for the Godon has been so

he's getting all right in the kimono. It's very very heavy, very very pesable, I think he's with more 100 and a few kilos. And,

the guy of this time, very very good, is a pedrear for any. The André, everyone knows that the, you know, the manorne, is a phenomenon, the major competitors

of all the times, a monster. I think, like, the most things. The, one of those things. A. B.D. He has a head of a competitor very good, which It's, it's to get and back in front and eventually

wincer. But there's one thing that an Andre will have to be to take, that I think the Gordon, he lives to train, just. The Gordon, he, even

John Serie, he don't do the class, he don't have a team, that I'm a leader of a team, he gets there, and he takes trainings, and does trainers, and lives for this. The Andre, of many

years to come to he can't do it and can't do you know, but the

Andre, the leader of one of the world of Jiu-Git-s not the A-Hus the A-Tos.

I have to care of this team, of products that this team will make new

affiliates, have to have to do seminars, have to do, have to have a

father, he also he also he also he also she is she

she I'm she in the Barrig he's getting and he has

to help her too, he has to the, he has, the, he has many things in

his life he will have to do a way to get a very difficult I know because I

also I'm too be abstrae of this during a time before the

last of the the quality of condition not technical or physical because this he

has. but this ambient of competition, so, at the principle, it's a

question, he's also disputed the category and the absolute, the end of the superluta. You think

that's that's a difference, because he will be dis-gastarably, because the superluta

is the great attraction for him, he wants, he wants, he wants, he can make a story,

obviously, but you this, you can, you can, it's, you can, in this question physical?

What I'm about this is that marketing, that in the fact that he not will dispute a superluta. I don't know, I'm talking what he doesn't know, because he only no, sorry, that he not go to the peso, because he doesn't go

in the superluta, and he's talking this for marketing, so I don't know, he's a little bit of doing this, yeah, if he does that, I think, I think, it's logic that, he will complicate much more the life of, right?

So, I don't know, not if it's if it's a not if what I heard is the word or not, we'll know

in September in September. Yes. In Las Vegas let me. Let's see what what will happen. And talking

in Vegas, in the house of FC, a lot that is a fan of MMA and Jiu-Gitzo

Brazilian is a find to see, Charles the Bronx against the Marachébe

yeah. Charles not is the role the champion of the but all the

man the but he he is, he he not But it's the champion Peasolev in the UFC. And the UFC, there's a lot of

bathe a martin of who is the challenge, but it's very probable that it's a more cheph. How can you see this encounter, this duel of jiu-jitsu, of charge, that's more, more, more, in-pett, too, against this sambud, this pupil of Rabib. I think, both he,

and he, they have a game very good, not just of wrestling, as of jiu-gits. I remember when I was doing, if I'm going to my first battle in the middle-media, When I was down the person with the Korean with the

King, Don Hill King. The King, yeah, the Dono Hill King. I think the Kabib was fighting first, second a lot of Lutas, I don't remember the right, but he was there was aquecent, a guy, a lot of 10, right?

And then, Leuze, I said, Deme, this mulek is very very, man. I said, yeah, he said, and the, Leo said, the Leuze and Vieira, said, he, he will be a champion a day,

I'm sure, I said, I said, but he, but he's good, He said, no, he's good, he's good of Jiu-Jitsu. So, he train with a lot of of the lot of the fighters of Jiu-Gitzo, go there in A-Qa-A, train. So, even, there's that

base of wrestling sinister that the guys have, of Sambore. And then, he trains, also with the Wattor Jiu-Gitz, he does that kind of a force of the Jiu-Gitzwean, also, we always, you know, we always, you know,

a little, a little bit, and learned, even, a couple of the Capoeira, the family Grease, there, a little of the Olymp, and it was adapt-O-LU., now, if there

a guy to get of this type of a lotator is the, it's the Charles, because the Charles is the

guy who have a guard. And so, to gain a guy of a guy of a little to survive, but

also to be offensive, to be dangerous, to be a dangerous, so for a type of

a lot of a lot of a lot of a lot of a lot of not, without saying,

he's, he has to be a job to not make a marraaring him there there, I think this

is the that's the secret. It's more the strategy when I looked with Benasco, you know,

like, I'm going to start the work very fast, just, of the middle of the transition of

the quay, I'm going to start to get a after to the back, because not

that you can't be that you don't not you don't know, in the first rounds, uh,

he, the other person will be a lot of energy even to to be robbing the round, gain one,

gain a two, it starts to be difficult. So, then, then after the other more to go, just got to be, all the way, so you're going to be

getting a little bit to get a little bit of the first, I could get, I could pass a rapid for a transition, not let's make the guy a want to

maybe it's a secret of the need to be trained, as we had to be the last, I was, the last time, the Loddryl,

that was, he was, he'd, I'd had been in the calcanary, he'd me derr, I was, I was I was rasping,

you know, what I do, I do, I do this is important for the Chalice, but I think there a guy to gain of this type of a loter of

there, if the guy not has Jiu-T, you don't gain of these guys. In the case of the Chalys, it opened,

in the Chalys, you would, you would be a lot, so you'd like, I'd like, I'd, I'd,

I'd, I'd, I'd, I don't know I'd say to apostate but I would put it

but I'm a championship the other side of the world now in a little bit a lends no need to

need to be brilliant three to zero in MMA yeah you see in him you can't

be in him yeah see you because he is making a game very consistent there's

a leo zio yeah he's he's the trainer of him too he's

he's He passed in some camps me with us with us, like we're helping in the trainingment, he saw the way of the job of the work that we do. I think he's implementing too for the Boucher.

And I think if he if he could maintain this consistency, to know using the Jiu-Sit's not do the set, without a chance without going to

try a turner and do the trainingment in a manner correct to get where he needs, to train the trocaation but in a way correct,

I think he he can say a great champion and representant of Jiu-Jitz like I, as Chabes. And two

last here, in the last few days, we've seen the Abit de Magomette Shereipov, which was

with many as a future champion of Peasupena, a guy for the phenomenon. Ah, I don't see,

why he he's he was he said, he said, he said, he said, he said,

he said, he, I think, basically, it was the question of the of health,

he's just 19, and he was in this, he had been in not back, but he called officially

the UFC, that not he's not and he did a and he's in a big and so,

now, but I'm a guy who got, he's a great, he's never will

know what could have been to the career of his and his own because,

he, he didn't tell to explain exactly what he said, he posted saying,

he said, he said, saying, that, that's the question of

the question of the would be apt to compete in the more high level. Who you think you think it's a great issue to jujitsu for an MMA? Someone who tried to do that transition and that not rended or that

it was not merguled to the sport and never, we had so potential, expectative, but never rolled, to fact, so. I think are lotators that they have not done doing, but I think justly because they just haven't been so well in Jujitsu and with a

life all structured in the ton of Jiu Jiu Jitsu, when I'm about the academia, of seminars, of the alas, that was very difficult to them to start and do. And I cite some, that not was, not if they were a grand champion in Jiu-Jitz, but they've got not

not, not, not, you know, I have to have to do all over all. And I heard of some of them, I said, I have to larga everything to train MMA, to get a day,

to do this, let's do the seminar, the class, let my academy to the other to the or not, like,

it's a much so, I see, one, it was an , it would be a lot of a lot of

another, the same the same at the same time, and a great friend, would have been

a great mentor of M.A., with the life was carrying them to another way, not even because they don't want to, the life carried this to another. The Changee

Ribeer, who is another, who is a great friend my, too, that me was, I said, David, I, I'd say, man, I, don't know, let's go to do that, I'll, I don't know what, I don't know how, I don't know, I don't know how to go to, get a little, and then, if I'm a guy, I'll depend, if the promoter

will want to, you know, so it's complicated, so it's a lot of And the Roger also, I think he also, he was a champion in other He was a champion of Juan. He was the champion of the UN. And he would have a condition

to be a great lot of the UFC also, but I think he's a lot of a life very structured for what he has a lot of the entire, that is the Jiu-Zitio, the structure total that involves, the academies, the classes, all, all,

so, so, so, are a lotators, like, I would have a very curiosity to see if they had continued, like the life left to another place. I have certain that these tons that I said, Andre, Roger, Shant,

Marcelino, all, with a structure of training, voted to the game that they have to do. This part, today, for example, I would know to push a train this to a guy of these. I even said, I said, I said, I said to he come here when he wants in the

academy, that it will be a pleasure with Mica, too, Fabricio Andres, these with the lights, if there's a short cut, a tally, a t'allel like, oh, train it's a way, does it. There's a lot

because these guys have got got to get in jiu-jit. So if the guy got, got, because M. M.A, you have

got to go a porrada, not just you get to, if you, like, if you see acued too when you

are in a situation ruin, you don't want to have to MMA, you know, there's a people who don't like. So, so the situation

is, it's to go to get to get into. You say, no, I'm going to fudering. So, let's see, then you'll get a bit more. And these four that I have, I've got certain that they have this mentality. For this was a question just of

the way, this type of thing. And these new ones that I've got, now, have to know if they go, if they want, if they want, because if you go, if you go, so for fame and the year, it's not doing it, because they have to because they have first

to go after the business. And then, if they're sure, if they're sure, if God

wants to give, even can't give a job in a time, maybe, maybe a man,

in a new generation of Jiu-Gitzo, disputing on a tauton, I'd be a signer to

be a great pleasure. It would be a great pleasure, and this, because, acimed of

all, and, acimed of my name, the name of any name of any, I think,

we'd to have the band of the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, that's a good legal, because it's a culture different in the arts martial, that moved the world of the arts martial, and that, for more that we're going to be a nationalist,

this kind of thing of thing, it's, it's very good to have been born in our country. Verdad, my brother. Thank you, thank you very much, very good, to talk with you, man. Good luck, good, sir, good luck in the future in the past few challenges, and, Tomar and that can't

It's not possible, of fact, have this lot of a despedida that you're very good to see to see a in October, in San Paul,

to do that do you know, to make this time the guy grite Damian and not the Jiu Jiu Jitsu, I think when this is Yov

that my wife in the F.C. Riu Hsu. I think it was when you didn't remember who was. Rick Story, yeah.

And the the guy, and the guy got to grittes, Jiu Jizz, she was just in her head Littian, Degian,

Degian, you got, everyone all the name of the person, but when the day and I get, grittal jiu-jitsu. Porra, can't say to me, it's more

more than I'm going to be the name, because I'm seeing what I'm representing a thing much major than a person. And, and, you know, if I could end up to finalize, no rio. I'll be able to talk to San Paulo, but to have an energy very good. I don't know if it's because the jiu-jitsu

Brazilian, uh, yeah, it's been developed and grew, and has been, and It's there, but it's different. Rio is different of San Paulo,

which we have a bit of a ballach. We have a place to be able to the prairie. Very good. So,

good, so, the next passes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. A.

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