MMA Fighting - Trocação Franca, Ep. 1: Anderson Silva Alfineta 'Chato' Dana White E Mira Duelo Com Georges St-Pierre

Episode Date: September 8, 2021

Anderson Silva sem filtros: No episódio de estreia do Trocação Franca, podcast brasileiro do MMA Fighting, Anderson Silva conversa com o jornalista Guilherme Cruz sobre tudo um pouco, de possíveis lutas de boxe com Vitor Belfort e Georges St-Pierre ao próximo filme do Spider Man, passando pela relação com o “chato” Dana White, a fama de “marrento” entre os fãs e muito, muito mais. O jornalista Marcelo Alonso resenha sobre o panorama do Brasil no MMA e o que esperar até o final da temporada. O melhor do MMA brasileiro no Trocação Franca, toda quarta-feira, com o jornalista Guilherme Cruz e convidados. Anderson Silva Unchained: On the debut episode of MMA Fighting's first-ever Portuguese-language podcast Trocação Franca with Guilherme Cruz, Anderson Silva opens up on his relationship with Dana White and potential boxing matches with Georges St-Pierre and Vitor Belfort, his thoughts on a fighters union in MMA, his upcoming bout with Tito Ortiz, and much more. Veteran journalist Marcelo Alonso also stops by to break down the current state of Brazilian MMA and more. Listen to Trocação Franca with Guilherme Cruz every Wednesday to hear from the biggest names on the hottest topics in the Brazilian combat sports world. Follow Guilherme Cruz @Guicruzzz Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Fighting in Brazil, Guilermi Cruz. Hello, hello, a friend of luta. Welcome to the first episode of podcast, Trocaation Franca, a your house about MMA, in this immense pull of the sphere. For who came out of parquetals for here,

I'm going to be here. correspondent of the site American M.M.A. Faire in Brazil, and that 14 is a dayarily to cover this sport luke,

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Trocacaus Franca. Praise all my Grilm, oh, Parabins there,

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know, and you're a man, you're always, yeah, I'm sure, that's very

thing's a good, a pleasure to start here today. Very good, it's a project

Antigues finally is coming from this person, and to start,

nothing more than we do a pencelad general, of how it's how it's we're going to

quite the time for you much more time than I the MMA in Brazil not so the FC

and we have lived moments of difficulties of glory and now we have we've got

to much we're in BMA is in the M.A. We're in the FACC also of the

FACC also Brailleers in the port of the Cinturons how is

how you are you the sport today you can see the MMA to cross all

the phases possible before the when it was all the whole, it was the rotos

of preconce how you know, how you see, analyze the scenario of the

sport in Brazil today. With good Lerme exactly for this

for for the time, for the we're going to be going to have a

vision a more more a and even and even the

kind of you imagine the the MMA when when we

when we When we say in football, for example, we have there, the Brazil is living a intersaffer, my friend, are, forgets the Cup of the

world, at least two, two, two, two, two, two, two, three years ago, forgets, forgets,

Brazil, champion, right? The MMA is totally different of this, car, exactly, the, the,

the, the high degree of the sport, he's doing more, this is a thing that I've

observed, a new a renovation more rapid this impression much. A we saw, for example,

a generation, a thing that me marked much, this generation of the order, of Anderson, of Minotauru,

when the guys started to decline, all the world started to ask, what will happen to

the M.A. National when these guys were people, my friend, I had a generation

of Demian the people, the people, the galera coming long after,

grand Now, car, the impression that I have is that the quantity of talent, for incredible that is apparently are appearing

with much more rapidness, because people that you never had heard of a year ago, they're in the mouth of the

centuron, much more more difficult, and today, it's much more difficult to maintain the thing,

and the generation of the generation of the so on the person, but calm there, my

friend, but there's many, my friend, there's so competitive that the guys that

were in the middle of the table, they're getting the competitive, the best of the first of

we're in Charles of the Bromks, you never imagine after two years,

that the Charles would be disputing the tuiting on the division

in the so it a sport very, very, competitive and that with an

high degree of impreisibility what brings how the Brazil

is the second potency many many possibilities to you

so I I see with an awesome eyes, and now, more than never, with more events, we have

more Brazilians with a chance of the centuron, and the Brazil in the best disputing, head-a-cabesa with the United.

It's the most the most the most the fans Brazilians they demurated

to get a get to the generation earlier, all no all the Brazil is in crisis,

the our lives are getting very, are getting and and then

it's like if it was the line, like the sport not had a newbts like a renavation. The Brazil

there's many people like you mentioned on some of the team, who has turned champion,

who can't really be recuperate the title, there are many, many fans, think, po,

M.M.A. yeah, I'm going to see this. It's that thing in Brazilian, I go to

the champion. The Brazilian, when there someone who when there's someone who is super-fan, the tennis,

the Tens the Guga, he pass to accompany the sport where Brazil is the best. We have

various athletes that that are the many people, but maybe maybe also the other

the other the other people, as the new idols, like the the past, Vanelé,

Anderson, Minotal, Shogun, Lyoto, various guys that were able to make a story

in the decade in the decade, but that obviously, by the end of the career,

not, not are not, high level of competition, but the Brazilian has many people, very good, to represent a lot, and substitute very

at the altitude, these athletes that were in the past. Yeah, I think we need to exactly a re-education for the fan of the sport. The fan of the sport

needs to understand that we we'll have a renavation every more rapid, every more difficult, taking the exceptions there, the ccabibs,

John Jones, these phenomena, it's very difficult to have what we had in the past, whether the United, Brazil, or whatever for the country, but the guy to continue maintain the centuron for nine defenses,

it's a cada day more difficult this, so, so that's what, the renovation will be more frequent, the competitiveness is a cadaver more, so we need to be able to get to a, every more

to understand that this sport, the guy not's a much time in the top and at the same we have to

learn to get to get to him, even that he not been been a champion because this sport my friend

no exists not even not football not tennis not tennis Formula 1 that the guy sat in the

cockpit there will do a car the guy is saying in a porrada

doing it's it's the decat one of the sports of combat the guy has to be good in

all the guy has to be a champion, the fan needs to understand, the MMA is a sport unique, so we need to learn to respect this guy who came to be in second or in top five, how you will disrespeight the story

of a Ronald de-chacarev? The guy not was champion, my friend, my friend, who, ve the curricula who he confronted, and the same thing, Demi, Maia, so we have to learn to try to the MMA is different than we

we're trying to for all the other sports. It's a thing a good thing. It's a good thing, because the Jacarelli will be remembered as a

guy who not was a champion. But he was a champion of the FCC, he was a champion of Strike Force here.

It was a plantel fortis, an athlete very good people, it was, you look,

the quantity of the people were of the strike force that were, that were that they're

to be able to be the only the only the only the only the reality, we see

actually in Belton, for example. The divisions feminines are all of Brazil, with the Cicborg and the Juliana Velas. There's a Patrice

Pitbull, who is the champion of Lever, who has been now the Cintrown of Pena. There was a

middle-medo for a lot of a lot, he was a final lot, and there's that thing, the Brazil

live a moment a little complex in some situations, there, there's, there, Amanda Nunn, I think what you

said, what you said, John John is Anderson, Dimitry Johnson, I think Amanda Nunes is that more is that more is that much

it's a long as a moda anti-an-an- which is a thing to be to be achieved

today. But she unfortunately she has the Brazilian even reconciling in her

as an idol she not she not not not got this empathy this

approximation with a fan Brazilian as maybe maybe may

maybe may be But you today see, then, the Brazil in MMA. It's the cop. Meal Cheo, the Glover, getting close to the centuron, the Charles of the bronze champion, the Vincent Luce,

surging with a great surprise, you know, between the mediums, mutting very well, so the lute spectacular, or even, is that a little cove-meil of Burrachin

that had very hype, had all that expectation to be the future grand student of Brazil, but it ended was losing, the Davidson, who was going

in the same way, but he got him over the same, the DURRIN, you know, how is you know, how you

can be a whole, we can be an optimist for the future, or even a problem of these braseers who are in the

augusts too, they are going to decline now. Yeah, totally copo me and exactly because

these categories, the problem is when you You get in a category, for example, the guy that who perdeed to Khabi, you look, and you say, not that it's a cop, me, but you say,

car, there's a monster there, that will maintain that there for 10 years. So you, not a veal cop, but it's being realist, and say, it really there's a chance

in a mid-term, a short, medium-pras. But in these divisions, coincidently, I see absolutely chance real, just depending those Brazilians. I'm talking to say,

and the Davidson, the Davidson, he clearly, the interviewer me did, you see, he, my man, he,

he, he was a champion, sent him, the centurion, a curtsion, focused on the academy and he and then

he had to have to be in to be a champion, which is the more difficult, to get in the top of

the mountain and be there, but it disparated, the major name of this division,

it's disparated, so, Davidson, are trained, the valences of his physical and

techniques and the power of knockout of his, he, tranquillamity, to me, he would be a champion

in this division. The Glover, no, the Glover not a phenomenon, not be

a lot of time, but, but the Yan Buarovit, I think, that the casement

favorse is the Brazilian. P, 50, 50, maybe, even a a little

a little a little more to the leader, I think the Glover can wincer and terminate and finish a career to come to see

not. He's not more in the end of the same thing to but the chances are enormous and that's all we say

for example then we go to Belator man, the patricio all the revanched when he he was

he came better a guy who a general also a a foreign of the curve ah he's not

to be a far of the curve because he didn't be able to but he are in

this cituron the Lima, I'd in sum. So I think that, totally copo me full, especially because these categories that we're talking, not were monsters dominants that were the centurons of the

transleers, are men-sive, that just depends of these guys get in there, that's the best way to get this signet of this

return to get back. And, and, and, along, the Davidson, no, there,

there's a point- who's going, A guy that can fur a field, take this front of Davidson and have the proper chance of the centauron and bring the trica,

and I'd pick a trica, and I'd say a music into Fantastic, as he said to you, against the Moreno, and bring more the symptom to Brazil. And, and the other, the FECD,

there's a PFL, that have various Brazilians that will make the final of the playoffs. It's a format much different in M.A.

The meritocracy pure, the side of the market, which helps for example you think the peso Bruno

Capelosa the Brazilian who's in the final of the peso when the Bruno

Capelosa disputed a centurion of FEC how the lot of

things he should wince to to dispute to the Roush Muffe

for example how he should be to have a chance to

the the person the car of the C he's

he had good both victories got the got the the

Vettory but not even close to a chance to the centauron is a meritocracy that's

a good money, it's a good good that these those types of not are not soldiers

that are very very very much but can gain a million dollars in a chance that in a

future that would be a year, it would be a year, can be to imagine a

PFL being, being, along of this, more than so this oasis

for the jutsorses to gain much money in a short-pros, or

they can't bathe to front with Belator to be the organization number two in the next year,

for example? I think it's a very, I think the question is not think, not think,

to forget the UFC, you know, I've got here, some of the time,

I never imagined this happening, I'm I'm getting some some days of the

times saying, man, if you if you if you were 100 percent

in PFL, I never imagined this. for that I this sport he is absolutely an auto-indice

of impervisibility, of things new things new, of the new ones, in all areas I think, including of the events,

I don't imagine that this, porra, that event of Pitbull, could have the FCC that was, I'd say,

the FCC that would be a lot of many, but the F.C. s numerates would be more

than to see the pit-bull against the MacGh, I was trying really see that a lot, a confront of styles interesting, and the same thing,

I'm going to the PFL, that was that that's a lot of Verdun with Renan, and you imagine, the end up, the tendency,

what is, is the level to increase, because the athletes, I was talking with Adriano Martins,

for example, who got the, he said, he said, my son to terminate my career

in PFL. So, the athletes are so-an- sword when I conversed with he said, he said, car, the best thing I did

have been per die of a lot, the bestor, the bestor, the worst, I could have had been, por,

revolutioned my life, so, so you pick, for example, a Davy Ramos, totally disvalorized in the F.C. Just jogging a

pedrear to serve a car, any event if you're going to be a guy, he will be a good at

the end, but what you do? What do you do you do? Raoni Barcellus. Poh, my my brother, if you

jog, Rauau my remand, you know, any event he will be to be a champion including in the

UFC. The Thibal, for example, that in UFC, he did a 50 lute in the UFC, but never

came up there to the top, just picked, he got the pick, the millions of the division, he got to

the Rory, McDonalds, he finished a little bit. Oh, the car, the guy of final, in the FCC, he was not

in the top 10, there, no, porra. So, I mean, it's a perspective excellent, and of great lutas,

the proper Renan, because this rapist is going to be unfortunately, happened to that thing, he was the

favorite now, and I'd be a little one of one on one of one of the one of the first,

because this beast is literally a problem, it's, power of nocout, gigante,

difficult to be put to down. In sum, excellent expectations for the year of 2022,

right. You're talking of the athletes that the person, who is the new new his own own

his own to be able to see the versus the the other people, it's not people,

the athletes, they're coming, man, yeah, it's a sport, but it's entertainment,

but it's a, but it's, no, it's, I prefer to go to F.C., there,

I'm I'm going to be more famous. But you you will put, how is you will pay your account? If you go to F.C. And your buss for $12,000

$1,000, more $12,000. In the PFL, you have the chances to terminate the year, getting a million. You're taking a casement of stilus there, a little bit, a million of dollars. But the protesters finally have finally accorded for this option, for the UFC,

not the best of the world. There, there is a great dominion in the market. 90%, 95% of the million athletes of the world are in the FC. But what important really is you're just to sustain, to your career, gain a

money, if in the future, you, poor, belea, I'm comfortable, I'm going to be a few my dream, I'm going to be able to be able to, I'm trying to make a opportunity financially, in other

event, in other house, just for those three letters, that, of fact, are the most You'll surprise this transition, the athletes all, the actors all, and the direction

the way of the box for a new, but also very much money in the box. I'm going to give me, when it's going to this,

poe, I'm kind of revolted in this, I thought besteater. Cary, and then I thought a thing wonderful,

I think I think, vislumbar a new revolution in various areas, that I think excellent.

First, the possibility, The first area, the possibility of you maintain atives, grand lenders, that for the MMA, the body just don't do more. As I always say,

is the decathlon in the sports of combat. So the guy has to train a wrestling, Jiu-Jitzo, no, a corp who can't. A man, a couple of years, not there can't. The body does signas of disgaste

and really, the guy, comes to contunding, the next to be, even, he gets, he gets, just with many contusions,

it's, with, say, 30, 40% of the capacity of his, and the box separate to think,

the box, he's a bigadier that he does particularly the strikers, like the Victor Belfoy,

Anderson, Silva, the box is that the quackation, that he does, it's the best day

of sparr, and it's a sparrie, a sparrie, more leve that he has the same, the same,

so, so, pusses, I mean, continue, continue, to be being,

to their public, for the fans, showing there's a third of the M.A. That's all

a fourth or a fifth, but it's a thing that everyone goes, and doing duels

unimaginable, with great names of box or with names of other divisions of the MMA or

of other events, it's general. And the other aspect positive, just emendando this

revolution of box, are, it's the question financial, that the MMA is the only sport,

where the MMA is doing ban in all the sports in the question of the issue of the evolution of doping,

for example, we're at front of all the other sports professionals, NFL, NBA, I think we we've got to

even more much along, preoccupated to be politically correct, we came the sports amateurs,

where the objective is a medal, but this is a other discussion. And we're doing lessons, por,

PR, oh, my my friend, what we have in the Institute of Performance, por, my friend, I was having

today a matter of the center of training of the Flaming, the revolutionary, my friend, if the guys look,

Pia, and look at that the Flamingo is thinking that invests millions and that is in front

of your time, po, my friend, the M.M.A. are much to do the M.A.

There are athletes in the the world, including the NBA, to know the PI of Las Vegas, so, so, so, these two aspects, we're in the front of all the world. Now, an aspect that we're

at the fact that we're atraise in the question of organization, uh, as an entity, to be in the salaries, to be able to

their rights, and this, we don't have a minor perspective that this occur at a, the, a,

long-pras, even, but med, long-pras, we don't have a more expectation. This is essential for any sport to evolve. So when appears the people of the life of this and they'll a alfinetada, don't a lot of age,

like, oh, assacanat that you're doing with the lot of the looters? Here, my friend, I'm, I'm paying $2 million, and I'm going to get much. You know, you need? You need, because the looters, if the athletes, not be joined,

to get better conditions, nothing better than a malucco of this getting to the other and pushing the orrella

and doing the enganus of the life and many other athletes if they were, oh,

calm there, man, we're, we're being malpacus, which is what the Vitorbeufor now,

yeah, it's a lot so, so, so, so, Borks. Much of

thing, it's interesting the box, that the Dana White said, during years and

years, the FC matto the box, the box was, it's a old, and now

it's just the box, the morted box, who brought to him to show to move to

this issue about the question of the if you look NFL, NBA, where the

athletes are about approximately 50% of the whole the receipt that is

generated in the UFC, this not yet and the Danna West,

this is an issue that he not with it's a with him not with him

reporter and but it's a reality that the athletes, unfortunately, they don't end yet. I think there

in the States few are people are going to start to be to be able to this issue. Here in Brazil no people,

I think here in Brazil, the athlete Brazilian, who is to go to the FC, he's dislumbrough because

he's getting in dollar. So it's a carrear in a jungle fight, in a chototot, if he

gain $3,000 to a money, it is much. Here in Brazil, for the reality,

it's much. For who who get to get $500 $300 So he go to

F.C he does a lot. If he could get a lot, he will gain $10,000.

It's more than $50,000 he's got in $50 in the Brazil. So he gets very

really never recal to the FC. Because for the reality

national is much the money. So imagine how he would be to

get to get, how he could get to but it

is a a a a a a racocinion, an exercise of finance,

of logic, that can't even atting because it's very satisfied, it's not disnumbrated with the

time. We've seen recently the Borrachin' batting the head with the F.C.

saying that would be going to more to do a with a canonia, but he

is he's correct, he really really really may get more but it's

that it's a dit d'arar. The borrashie says, I want to gain more. Thank you. Kelvin Gesson, I don't come here, substitute him, and, you're a lot. The UFC, he is a machine to produce and luths.

He just will try those corpses that are there. If you want to gain more, it's been going to get more. I'll get more. I'll get more. I'll put another person in your place. Chau and Bensa. And what you said, you have a short-price, no,

no chance to do this move. It has been a thing that will start the law American, to the ALIE Act, enter in the MMA to, like, the government

force a a a move a generalised in the structure of the

sport for that the athletes sometimes accorded and the UFC have been

that's that not what do that do that do you do that it can't

be in never I'm I'm with you car that is that's

one of the many areas where we're in the

the MMA needs to really in this part of the

entities, not, those athletes, then try to barganer the rights, this in all the areas,

I'm, I'm in the control, anti-dopage even, I think the I think to exigy,

for example, not can, man-killer, it's obvious, not, not be those things that viciol,

but you can't, analgesic that, in a Amador, he is doping, you can't in a sport,

in the Decat, one of the sports of combat, where the guy convict with a door, diarially, he has to put the maximum of analgesse possible. So, don't have to sit seriously with scientists, with the medics, and say, look, look, not,

copy-paste, of the sports amateurs, let's, let's work in our reality. We're here, the guy needs to do a show. He's all destroyed. What we can we can use to make sure and permit

that this car should in good conditions in combat. We'll use until this here, this here

can't vice this is a no, but we'll but discuss to be a serious, not simply

copy the sports amators and dops, and dopages absolutely perverso, for the tetas of

the Lentatres is the power pervers that the guys, and who will pay for this

more one one of what I always, Who will pay for this, as, as a level of competitivity the level athletic, is a cadaver more difficult, is a more difficult to be champion,

your opponents are more more difficult, the losses are more difficult to be won't. Who will pay for this is the cup of the champion? So what happens? The guy who had 19,

18, 18, years of career, the next generation will have no maximum 11-12, because the utters are more hard. The guy, every intregs

more a fraction of your life in a octagon in every lot of the

he does you get a time with the time in the two

minutes he he did he did five rounds with he

two times two times the he a hour

with Romero man it is obvious that the person

will have markers of when he have the 90

an So, so, this has been to be thought, and we have to do every more the conditions for

these guys get there's not, as the NBA, how have the NFL, these guys get to the physiology

of his, and I say, this is an issue polemic and much more profound, not to

we can't debate today today, but it, not liberate to manner a bomb,

but I just, for the favor, that the physiology of these guys, my in the best condition,

combat. He can't get there, with cortisol altissom, with the testosterone in the front of the post, to, you know, to perform,

no, because we need to see this tabella here, no, my friend, I need to be in my and get there,

obviously, without, poor, to be the more, but he has to get to get to

the better, car, to do the way, and it's, and when when you're off,

too, this is a thing that has been to be discussed by medical physiologists

it's a fact, it's not there are that there can't the recovery more

the athlete my friend, we'll stop to pay to pay a psalasas

the guy has a contus a cause you

have to take it to do it to it the system

antidopage possible and let this guy to use all all

that the science can and permitted, imaginable in terms of drover, to get to recuperate the better and more rapidly possible, you know?

It's a much, much a sacanage you, simply maskar this question. The guy, when it's contunded, there various possibilities that he can be curate more rapidly in a way better. This has been to be

discussed, yes. It's a other type of, it's a other question that would be discussed, that the athletes would have a voice if there should a syndicato, right? For example, you see, in the NFL,

NBA, nothing happens without the athletes opinating. In the APC,

they've finished with the rule is that and the athletes they didn't have a vote, right,

or the even if they were heard, even they're only were being communicated, and from

the that the band to talk and they see this regulation here,

yeah, the partrocy too, yeah, that question of the

question of that all, all all all right, all oh,

porra, car, I I was patrocinated for a bank. I'd gain more of the bank than I'd get in an october, a lotator like a Victor, for example, a top of this.

A proper Anderson-Silvo. Poh, car, had to have to have some form to you permit that the guy, in the pesages, go to the patroc of his,

but, oh, car, but, per least a space of the calcone I have to my patronator personal. There had to

have a, a job of the centura major in this, I'm simply the guys impused

it's the it's not it's not my man, man, man, man, man, no,

it's not it's that's that's these avenues parallels of the

other for the Belfor is going going to do the box next

Saturday in September in California in the same event Oneson

Sylva and Titor Ortiz will will fatururred not

not so in the but the possibility of patrocines propus propus

to promote the way a lot in a form different and now I'm

a pause in my conversation with a little special in this first

this first this first this first this question to start with the we'll come

go back the world I'm gonna George Versil he under the abism on a night

virile of persecution saltando between the the the world arrasions the

omere the omem airan Anderson Syva, all Anason. All right, and you're

good, and you're a pleasure to have you know, and so I'm like a good,

Brazilian, you know, and he's working with after the people, mortals, the spider

is there are brilliant mercedingly faturating much. A correction, I don't me

I'm not I'm a now, now, it's in other falkes I'm not, I'm not some other

things in more interesting even to talk to talk about you're doing this the foot

of the ball of the man of the wonderful you're doing you're doing you're doing you're playing

the box like the lot of the question of Rulio Ceza now a lot of a lot of

but before we enter in this issue of this question to you certainly

you interest much and it interest imagine the great

part of your fans you you see you know the new

the movie of the my, my man, I'm a passionate, I'm a I'm a

man, I'm like to my man, I'm like, I'm going to I'm sure, I'm not I'm not

I'm not I'm sure, I'm not lots of lots of many films, a film better

to do other in these years, you're a guy that prefer film you,

you're a guy who you're a person, you're a car because I did the maro

because I did many quadrants, many, many, quadrins, like, the Marvel,

of DC, there are various manga, mangaes also, but today, I,

I see much anime, and I see very, very, many, movie of Marvel,

of the DC, I'm I'm a man, my world is the world of

superheroes, and we know that has a rivalry, not, you know, and

this is the Spider, but you're the character of Marvel, or you do

more DC? I like the I don't in this case I don't have a bandera all I don't

I don't have a bandera I have many films baccana have various superheroes and I DC also

I also I'm just fan of superheroy yeah and you are the spider the Spideer of MMA

the Spideer of Boxer you always you've been back you that you you're the you're the

only the superer is the only superer that is to work to It's the only that has to pay Exactly

But there's There's a lot There's a lot Yeah, that there's a lot That's always That's like the Spideopop

You're like, you're like You're going to install of fingers Thefts in the Boxes is very Great, you know, You know,

the size of the Tito, he looks the Taurus It's not it's very But it's but it's good that the

Alv is more fast to get to CERTANns Yeah, but he's he's like TANN, boy,

the head about the Tannus, he? And, look, the title is a Lenda, yeah,

has to be respected, blencers apart, have to be respected and you're to be really, I'm trying

really, I'm taking a serious, and it's a real, and it's a war, yeah,

I'm preparing with a great battle. It's got us this, this, this,

this, this, this, this, this, had a conversation of you when the

Lordoppo, you were coming of a victory about a person of a

name much expressive, of the story of box. And the Titorchis, he never luporce, he's more

a wrestler, he's a ground and pound, he's not a power of but he's not a pugilist in the MMA.

How is, it's, sort of no, this offer of a lot of this offer of a lot of long, or it's

also a were being negotiated? So, all, some rumors, not, a lot of a lot of

a thing that's being being negotiated all just a lot of much time. the two the two

are the two remons are the crackies in the part of the business are very

intelligent in the order to do do it's a thing is a thing that's

being being tithe when the the was a thing

was a opportunity so I'm so I am I'm I'm

a I'm a battalion of a point employment I'm time

I'm I'm I'm because it's all the time so the people the boardon

of all the time all, you have to be to be ready to be anything, to do you know, when you have to be prepared.

So I use this bordown for me, I'm always training, I'm always prepared for any different for any time,

and you're a guy who is always always the people who do you know the day-day, you're a guy that does always question

to show the day-a-day on the social, videos, photos, of the routine of training,

of life, and I don't see how you do you do you know, and so much the ways to see the

social socials to your social you know, no, but I'm you say, I don't

do you say, I don't I'll just for the other people, the coach, I tend to do the

part well and not me preoccup with what my my adversaries are doing, because, you know,

because, like a job of a point of a point, he has to be done for any

for any time, he doesn't know what he will be going to get to the whole,

he has to be all, he has to be a little, a guy a man, a guy a man,

a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, I'm not a lot, I,

I, I'm, focus on what I can make, to do what I can do you

have of difficulty, in what I have of deficiency in the trance. The Tito Ortiz always was this bad boy of MMA,

he had this posture of the villain and all the last. And in the few years social, he has adopted a postura a little polemic

and even though the States America, imagine that many will talk for you, because of this postura

that he has taken from this is a guy negationist, a guy, a chair of theories, of conspiration

of that all that's happening in the world, is a great invention, it's, what you think you

this what you of his people who have this mentality too. I don't want to use

the drug that he's using no, it's complicated, I'm trying, but, you know, I think there's a

man, man, there's a thing to get to get to your maloctus, get a bad news, you know? Talking of this event,

you know, there's a lot all the world all the world yeah, everyone just people, yeah,

the two vancing then, it's, it's encamined just to the next a pass, make the revanch

of the last of the year of the second, the first the first of the first of the first of

the first we're in a little bit to think to think imagine this future. Oh,

car, would be the good, would be a Vitor and Lerle and Sylva this would a lot

spectacular. Everyone want to see this lot, my mom, in relation this

this Luta, in relation this Lutton, car, what would would be

more extraordinary than the knockout that I did in Vito. Just if we did a sloop, and he'd say, for it, there's no more than what will happen. So, you know, care, forgets,

the people have to forget this, it's just, to do it, in the peatting, that kick, that spider kick, and I love Anderson, Phil.

Maybe happens. But you have to tattooing before, or after the other? We have to tattooing, yeah, car, por, you have to tattoo

an right, it's a bit, it's a bit, been tattooed, grandan,

well, to be able to be in a incarate, in a carer, to see,

for all the people see, to all the people, get to know, for this, not the

other lot of the things that people always always always came in M.A.

that's you, Samperr, Neus, Samperr Neus, he was he was

he was never the Rory but did the Danawite vetor, the Sampierre

said that was very inspirator to see looking to look at the box and that he can

enter in this preitada also this superluta happens in box, this is a

new thing, this is a lot of chute. That's a possibility. George Sanpierr is a

guy that he not only all the lotators, Victor, Tito, Delahoy,

all of them all of them have been respect, are lendous, and I think it would be

a a lot interesting also, but then it's a whole-power to be chate and to make

the guy to get the person who's sure how you're sure how much the man, we know that's not

My opinion is this. It's ridiculous. Liber the guy, the guy no can't not want to get more a MMA.

There's a possibility of the car to be a more two, three, four, five years in the

box, making the new normal. He not he not will be a man new, he

will be a lot with a girl, he will be the conditions for he to be the conditions for

he's presenta a contract after all of the thing, you do that a thing this, it's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous. No, it's it. It's really libert. It's a libertator not, not start more

about these commands of the Danamite, to have to give permission to do that to do that? Look, look,

so, I never seen about the command of Danawite, not, car, the contrary.

I always batte with him, and for this we always always always be-be-

so, everybody who batteed with him, always bited with me, I,

Tito, and other athletes also the athletes also that not they're the ball

for him, he, they're having problems. And, man, he's Dana White and

the knight. He, he, he is the guy, the representative of the UFC,

in my opinion, not it, are the people, but in those athletes, not the positioner

in the manner correct, they're with being in being in the

positioner, this will continue happening, because the new

generation creates in the mentality that they want to be to a co-o-o-

I'm in to do you know-so-what- but-a-b-b-b-b- but they are uned the athletes not are uned

if the athletes were uned and understand the value of them in the sport and

the company this all would be to the new generations but but I know I

I've I've had many many of the FC I've had my aran-cabbed with

Lena and we've put all in prattes limp, my opinion personal

about it is one, my position professional in relation to it other, and I think

the people who are not they have to look to look at the contract before

to assume a compromise with because it's it's easy,

you take a account and direction the room

of your career, so when when you sign a contract

that you will get a contract, that you don't have how negotiate, then it's complicated to

say the money because you sign the contract. You saw the contract. Contract was, and it went, and you'll get formal to the guy? No,

he will do do that the best of the company of his, and you, as a athlete, you have to

understand, you are your company. You have to care of your company. And then, the

people, have to look to put to the rights, that is what not happens with the

majority of the people, it's complicated, you know? So, I think

the Dena in the I'm in the way he's a lot of the people, and the other

of what he propon to do do you do it's a good, so that we can't recognize. What do you

think you need to to happen to do that kind of just if you get the paders and

stras the dead, then does the do you know does the do you do not the Royce

Grace commanding OXX oh I my I'm I'm just being I don't know,

my mom, just the pedas of the tennis to resolve Brad. We're going to talk about to this good

now, yeah, let's say that he's talking about about the thing about sure, yeah,

yeah, yeah, the children, don't, talk about, so, I've been, they're,

every one, one, one, enter in the round, a great victory, how it's,

how it's a heart of a heart in a year, when I'm seeing the school, seeing the

space in the sport in the car, it's gratificant, never,

to be the two muting and coming as I started, like I'm doing,

it's really good, they're very really, I'm very in the we're always talking, we're

always talking about technique, training much, viewing videos, so organizing to, to make,

to make people who understand more of the our area, that's the area of

Tai, to make what can be that can be able. I, as a father

would like really that I would do a not of the Supreme, but the other med, but it's not

that the guys want to be the people, they're doing a lot so if it's this is the way they're trying,

that they're going to I think, it's valid, I'm that I like, I'm my father I'm very

very happy. It's got the result of they've been with Cali Cali trained very

for this lot. It's not fast, we've done really, he trained

I've been a I'm happy I'm happy with the result man And I'm not knock out of

a shoottack in eight seconds yeah you receive the seal of quality of Spider Yeah, you're

a lot of a passion of surprise you know you can have the day and will have

the day the day the day of the day of your time and the time

so you're so you're going to you're gonna you're going to but you're

how you you conduct the career when you have a when you when you conduct a

career when you only you only when you have a victory all you know so you have to be prepared to be the two

things because it's in the goal that you turn the grand champion that you have to be it's not good, but

that they have come back this career now after you have been after you have been

because they have you in the ausge as a champion and they've how you did you did it

not demorese, to continue, like, they've seen in various, in various phases, in my career, because they've been from the first, they'd be in the beginning,

were in the academy, they were in bedies, and they're in, in fraud, they were in the academy. So, they're just how it's not really,

it's not any new thing, but they're always to be in-sim to be doing a top, think to be always, you're always,

you're always that's always that's the children. And, with me no is different. With me, I've never

the door a door a bit open to the MMA one day. The Kaliu said is focused for an while only in-cooked

only, did so the first time so the first pressure to project the future, these things, so things, the thing is

what, that they're going to be a M.M.A. one of the want to that they be a

jury, that not see the the way, but now that they're going to but,

but I want to you say, I think, it's something that is a thing

have to part of them they have a, they have a , they're all a structure

for them to do they do they're they're doing in this world in the world of the world of the world

and maybe, can't talk box, they're gonna talk about this condition because thanks a God,

I can't give this condition for them so they're so I think it's

going to part of them has been something that part of the heart of

of each one of It's very normal for the fans, the guy that's here on the side of the side of the spider's-in-o-in-a

and now in the F.C. Because it was where you did story. But the UFC moved much, from the M.T.O.C. that was when you went to there and

was a champion to the F.C. Not only so the M.A. but the market of M.A. in general, it's values, not values pavours,

no, values partial, in the sport? Yeah, the sport has a new culture, the sport, if you go

see you go see, you have athletes, of different levels, but all of them very hard,

you don't have no, me a book, the UFC no, no, no, no,

there's a little bit, so all the athletes that are all the athletes of high level. It's

always from the first of but first, you see one or other,

that not had a real, but it's there's the people the men young people,

the guys, of 84, of 82, kilos, the guys kind of kind of heavy,

pesado, all, uh, craques, so, so, so, so,

you've always never had great luthers, there, no, have to say,

in relation to this, you, the elite of sport, And you who always was this guy

that you said for Lange Rhabes with your family, you know, would you would say, if he'd

go to MMEA and you say, poe, what if you maybe other event? Because

not it's not the other thing because not the question, look, look,

I have my unarrancas have my opinion personal about the name and I

think the I think, all, you know, all the time, all in your time,

if it's if you if it's if you're if you're capacity to to go to the person,

the car, it will happen to be my child or not, it will happen I'll explain one thing to the people who

is very important not because my son not because it's a son of Victor or the son or

any, it's number all, is the how you really have capacity to be there,

independent of anything, The Deyna not will sign a with a guy just because my son, if he not

if he not if he doesn't the talent, he not will be in the pechada there, no, there's not

it's, it's, there, numbers, don't mean, so, so it's so,

I'm saying, that's, I'm, to thank you, to share this interview, because I know,

that's a time, yeah, that's in the preparation for a other with Titor Titori a last

a question, a, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, quite 14 years, I've seen many

things of your career. And when I started to cover this sport, the MMA not was what is what is today in the Brazil, that's turned very to you, the work that you

did the end of the F.C. But the things moved very, now the time's to come to a thing grandios. That good, because the athletes

are this recognition of the fans. But in part, the Anneson-Silva sent a saddard of the time that you could

go to a restaurant, and a party, could be in a shop in relaxed, without so,

you know, and be preoccupied with privacy like, I don't have a problem with this.

I always did I always things. There was a time in that I was more new so,

some, some, some, some, some of the problem, the lack of the people,

me accommodable, but you go getting more and you go and you

can't how you never had a problem with this, I go in all

the places. I'm with a lot of to take a Coca-Cola, I go in the bar of the corner, I sit and I'm a Coca-Cola. And then you have to have this the, the aspect, you have to have this notion, right?

If you don't want, if you're being, you're incomodated for anyone, not go out of your house. If you say from the house, the person who is your fan,

she will come to try a photo with you, will give a photo, will give a portrait, silly of of him. And you not to take, you don't try, you need to

be there, you have to be in the house, so you don't have to be in the same,

to say, and it's not there's people who are very inconvenient in some many times but,

but, the person, she, she, she, look, for example, imagine,

I'm, I'm in a restaurant, and enter, poor, Neimar, porre, my man,

I'm, I'm so I'm a fan of the car. You think I don't go I'll ask you a photo? Logicately. Posh, da license. Nehmer? You can't take a photo with me. I'm very fond. I'm not. I don't know. I'm not for a fan. Never. Never. When were educated.

Because there are many people who are more educated. And then, oh, the guy is marrent. You're saying, poor, marrent. No, I'm not. I'm Marrent, I just not so not I'm more

educated. You want that I want to be more educated with you, I'm more educated

because you are being more educated with me. Now, if you get with respect,

you will be received with a respect, it's simple so, get some people are

very, especially in Brazil, there, there's much this deconstruation of the

idols, and then the guy can't go to go to the praia,

sit to I'd like a praire. Oh, but, then, there's another other factors, no,

the guy, oh, he's got gourd, po, the guy's got to get a man, and then the

guy's over, the life of the man, you know, you know, you know, that's the life of the

man, but the guy was, the guy, was, with the hair, and the

guy, he had to have been a the white, the white, and the team beard,

I don't have nothing that can can't understand, man, there,

some some, that is me a malucco you're just accustomed to get used to get used to

get used to and then you have to be the notion of how to how you know there's a thing that's

something that's something that is a really something you just have situations that I have been in

the last session of cinema the last session my night the film

I'm in the field I'm cool all everyone in the field like

everyone, could have entered, uh, for your own unessoncive, I could have entered differently, but I'm in a

woman, and I said, I said, you can come here, you can't, you know, no,

you can't go to go to no, no, no, no, no,

I'm going to take a photo. Oh, I think it was a child, man, man, at night,

at the cinema, not were a girl was a man, my man, said, and the money,

said, What I can do I? I can't do. Emma, Emma, every one, but everyone, but she was, but she was,

she was, she was, she'll, she was going to be to where she was to take a photo. If he was a cladier and

if he was a nenee of coles, but a man, of barbado, oh, man, come to here, we'll be getting a photo,

you're getting a filer, oh, you know? So, there's something that can't be able to understand, no,

it's a matter, so, it's true, so, you know, if you encounter an incesson civil in the way, I'll ask him to try a photo

in the education in bed to do you know, well, man, car, yeah,

there's various situations with me. There's a situation that I don't believe, I'm going to come to Los Angeles to Brazil,

I'm in an airport, a Brazilian, uh, took the telephone on my mom I was talking with my phone,

she took the phone and if you don't take a photo with me, I don't you devolve the telephone. I was talking with my my daughter

I'm talking to my phone and then you That's a That's why I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna

no no I don't you're gonna give a phone if not my father and my friend my mom

it's really low there's a thing that don't to understand it's but I'm

I'm gonna take a photo I'm gonna after this is question you took your phone you can't

you can't you can't you can't you can that is that you have to have patience I imagine, much patience, more patience, to lead with this type of situation? No,

when I'm saying, when I'm saying, it's a patience, it's to be patience to lead to the people more educated. For the same, right? Yeah, because in the majority, the people are educated. There are some of the same noceau. The guy never you know, you know, because you're sat sat down to

your family, the guy not you know, the guy not is your friend, the guy, so you know on the television, you're sitting with your family, you're coming, the guy, and the guy, it's my man,

porr, pot, that's here, paris, you give a tap in the ombro, porra, it's a, thing of a luk,

man, man, you know, you can't, come, caram, whether the guy, doesn't know of

a noce in a real, your, no, does this, a friend, a, friend,

a man, imagine a person strange, you're doing this, is a lucuco, very loco, very,

so, Paul, I want, I'd like you thank you for your time to participate to start

this podcast we're starting with the first we're going to the best of the good luck to Tito Ortiz abhbert,

good so this possible I'll walk in MMA yeah yeah that's the door

yeah maybe that all the last time my last my last my last month my last

we're in the time RANNDA so thank you thank you for you a bigger for you're a big for you

a bit of everyone continue to our friends our friends will be very great this lot of the

I'm sure with the I'm in Brazil a bit of a point of course and then and then after you know

after you know Alonso what's your level of anxiety expectative for this lot of the

show that we've seen the Anderson to put in practice against Rululio

Chabbjuna Juna Juna Juna's all the lot because he always

had a level of a level of trocoation very good, but I confess that me surprised, the form, the facility with that he was a veteran, so experienced and consagraved

in the box. Yeah, much, with certainty, is what we were saying, Gileme, I, even, say, last, I'd never, would imagineer that I'd would be to see any event

to assist an FC. I'd, I'd would be to see any event of the lute, and this has occurred every more with a more frequency,

and this final of week is one of these final of the semester, for the short, not there's no EFC, but if if it was in the same oration, I'd never think about

two times to choose this event. I'd confess that the Anderson and the Ortiz, obviously, we always want to see the Anderson

in a sound, but I was more more anxious in a other because I was very preoccupied, I'm very preoccupied, I'm from those

that I'm had been with Anderson had accepted a lot of these, I'd say to me even, car, the Anderson is one of the most of the most of the time. He will

do a molly this for a boy, the son of the Cesar Chavez, he's, ah, he's a champion world, but nobody knows who is, how is Anderson will do a moire this for a little? And the Anderson went there and calmed, the door I just had calmed, in the interview

that I did with him, he said, car, you will be surprised. And I don't think, I was up with this decision of Anderson. The Anderson went there, and he went over a that show, and more one way, me calmed, like me calored in a

little bit of a lot of he, that I became puttissim with him. When he accepted a little, I said,

oh, Anderson, it's going to be spanked, for what is? How is Joanne does this with Anderson? And he went

there and he called my book. So Anderson, so, and this the Tiotortiz, not that the

Titor T'orch not that's a first, a leader, and meerex a respect. But in the point fracked

of his is exactly the box, the Doria has trained the Roger, I think we we went

together, yeah, Guillermo, that's the in Toronto, you know, you're not with,

yeah, then, the other, I'm with John Jones, Minotauru with Frank and Mere,

and the Roggerie with Titori, and the Titoris, and he did a lot of the

Anderson me deception a little a little, when I received information,

I'm confirmed the two sides and it surprised that we after we did,

after we saw, that one counter a guy so experienced in the box he's a pass to get

a wrestler the tito schiz never was known for box he has the most the most the most

the box never was never was never was never was never was so I I confess

I'm a bit deceptional to expect a something like I'm when I'm talking the rumors of Anderson and Logan Powe

that's a lot that would be a lot that would be a bavent but for me Anderson

is that I'm not a question I'm not I'm not I'm but no one of the two is a lot of box so I'm a lot of GMMA

so I'm going to if it was a lot of GMA I would never any chance of the Titor Tis to gain in the box I think the chance are even

minores so it's possible to have chance to Tieter I think the chance of Titoris is to get a shot a sort

a soco in a sort and derubed but with that with a box I think there'd be a patada

much well done to get to get to knockoutial Wanness but to to finish here the contract,

before I'm to be to make to make my friend, my ex editor, in the time

of the revishtam. I'd give a thank you the fund of the heart of

the RAN Rihis of M.A. National for to impressing your inconfutable

voice for this humild podcast. And if who want to want to

try to try to do you just see on Instagram, Rohomomom Chikonjoli. And to

YouTube, every day. The Alonso is there all-vivo with 450 lot of people, not dorm,

he's all-hour with Carlon Barretto debating luthes or interviewing atlilus. Alonso,

call the the people to get to come to your job, where we can't see you see, where we can't see.

It's that is that William, it's all in the PVT, you, see there,

and we are there thank the honor to have been part of the first

Gilerme, who was my partner of tatami, yeah, car, porra, he veed the the initial

there's a lot, it's a honor, to be a success, my friend. Thank you. Thank you,

all you and all of you all the time on this first podcast. It was a company and you do a

company also while you have a lot of the time or the way or the way to the way to

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