MMA Fighting - Trocação Franca | Gracie Contra O ‘Inimigo Invisível’ (+ Pedro Munhoz)

Episode Date: December 1, 2021

A família Gracie criou a base do que hoje chamamos de MMA, mas a filha do fundador do UFC está engajada em uma batalha diferente. Rose Gracie falou ao podcast sobre a luta pra abrir os olhos e mentes dos lutadores de MMA ao risco da encefalopatia traumática crônica, conhecida como demência pugilística, e o que precisa mudar na cultura das lutas. Rose fala do apoio (ou falta dele) do UFC à causa, por que se incomodou tanto ao assistir Belfort x Holyfield, e muito mais. O podcast conversou ainda com Pedro Munhoz, que comentou o duelo com a lenda Dominick Cruz no UFC 269 e analisou José Aldo x Rob Font, entre outros assuntos. O melhor do MMA brasileiro no Trocação Franca, toda quarta-feira, com o jornalista Guilherme Cruz e convidados. The Gracie family has created the foundation of what we call MMA, but the daughter of the man that founded the UFC is now focused on a different battle. Rose Gracie discusses her mission to open eyes and minds about chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) in MMA and what must change in the sport. Rose also talks about the UFC’s support to the cause (or lack thereof), why she felt so bad watching Belfort vs. Holyfield, and more. Then, Pedro Munhoz stops by to break down his UFC 269 clash with Dominick Cruz and the upcoming UFC main event between former opponents Jose Aldo and Rob Font. Listen to Trocação Franca with Guilherme Cruz every Wednesday to hear from the biggest names on the hottest topics in the Brazilian combat sports world. Follow Guilherme Cruz @Guicruzzz Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. Senoras and Seniors, in command of the podcast, Trocaation Franca, and representing the M.M.A. Fighting in Brazil, Guillermo! Hello, lo,

Amidu, man, but welcome to 13th episode of the podcast, Trocason Franca, a your house about M.A. in this immense border sphere. I'm Glearni Cruz, correspondent of the site American M.A. Fireer in Brazil,

and I'm going to be back in this quarter-fearraira company of Peter Munoz, top 10 of FCC in the Pesugalo, who infreenta the Lenda Dominic Cruz on December by the UFC 269. But, before to talk to

Rose Grecy, a filer of Horace, founder of FC, and that never calcored a lupor or entered in a ring, but maybe lute a lute the lute the last d'greyes in the M.A.

All right, Rose. This was the best introduction of all. Guarante. Well, it. It's a lot important It's very important that you're trying, but before we're going to

this issue that's your mission, in the world of Lutus, explain to me, for the people who are listening, where you're positioned at this arveory genealogical of the family, that is always very difficult to read, because there's a lot of people involved, and I know that you're a netta of

Carlos, but they're so there's a little bit, so I just then, just there, just I difficult a little to understand. It's true, I adore to be this, because the people are, it's possible, it's possible, how is it

could be bisnett, of Carlos and a newtner of Elio, the thing my father is a father of

Elio. So Elio is my father, obviously. And then my mom is

a netta of Carlos. So, my dad, my mom, got a total incest in the

family three, and it's and I. And it's many, other times.

And then there's there's there. And then it's wonderful because I

can't navigate directly all the facetas of the family Grace, to understand

very well how it's very much privileged, that's very very much and I'm very with my wife, he's like,

he launched Timaya, Robert Carlos and all, Botafogeance, so, so it's very good, and it's coming more

to Brazil, I've been to back to Brazil this year, I've been to five years, with this mission there,

and I'm in to San Paulo tomorrow to say to say more about this and I'm I'm feeling

very very shable to be talking about this You're involved in the reality of the family Grace, those two sides, that during much time, had me like a risha of the side of the L.

With the side of the Carlos, and you can't be in the same time. You are the only person who's the two sides, right? Yeah, I and my brother. I have a woman, too much situation than I. It's very legal, because you can't understand and not take a side of anyone, and it's kind of neutral, so it's, it's...

Funcione, it's all, but you're all-a-custombed, also, not a new new thing, I'm in a little bit of I'm going to my time,

I'm going to my aunt's, the house, the Flav, of Rheh, so I'm, so I'm going to think I'm

going to be here, quite the other moment. And how is how is it started this relationship, because you know,

that's that's a family Grace, will respirate from since that's that's, but how is it

started to come in your relationship to the life all the whole, in the

He was living in the United, we'd do you do to do demonstrations in the shopping, he'd travel in a garage, I always worked in academia, always, I always, I'd train with my aunt when I was when I was a little bit,

but my father was very machista, and they'd just thought that the jitin'n't for a woman, in that era, so the mentality of a woman,

is a body of the foggown and fria in a pia. And this is a mentality really loco because, obviously, not is reality,

so, so, it's so, it's so it's that works. but I always I always worked I've worked I've been in

always I'm always to see the I'm going to and see the the cresmenta of all the thing I'm still still even

a lot of people and have to calm at a time I'm talking to I'm talking to whatever to say what's the to be a

problem to I'm going to be a friend because everyone in all those parts I'm everyone am everyone amy-you

know this this side of the family that was very very strong in the especially and the

Kira was the first woman of to bebrae this paradigm, is to compete in the jiu-jice, you know, you never to cogeting this way,

or never had a incentive to continue to continue, or the interest in to see this campaign. The other, the Kira passed for a part of

that I, like, I don't want more, like, because what happens that we had to do we go to try that, if we took this

telephone, they'd leave me to my car, and Rose, will be the guys trainable much more pesado,

like, to make sure, and I said, and I said, and no, I don't want to do. If it's not to do it, not to do it. But here, thanks a God, has the incentive of her,

the mother, the Flavia, and that's a person very strong. And she's what you want to do? And it's obviously, these passages that she had,

these turbulences and all, and she had also, because she also also, she also, the support very great of the mom

of her, of her, who are people like, people, where all the people go to when you're,

if you're going to be in your carven, and you know, it's more so it's so that's like work,

I'm going to have been with the Chavar and the way to be a not a, I don't know,

what's you had when the Roryon created the UFC? I had 16, 17 years,

no, I came to the States I studied here high school a little back, I'm in

this me term, between my 17, my 19 years, was when it was when

it came to the United, I went to the States, I'm going to my time, the color,

I told, oh, call, any word, call, any the place of the world for you going to go to Hawaii. I chose to Hawaii, because I had my

Tia Angela, there was a little bit of my Lerlson, that was not a mar. A Tiaelan, my mother, and Tio Helson's a brother of my father. The two were in Hawaii. And primos, and we, we'd, we're trying to work with all right, and then I said, I'm going to go to Hawaii. Then I went to Hawaii. Then, when had the F.C. 5,

before the F. My father said, I'll go cut a mezzada, have to come to California, because we don't are securing the Rond of Academia. And I had to come to work in the academy. I didn't I'd like to be in Hawaii. I was in a nice, I'd like to go out of Hawaii to work in an academy?

For what? You're gonna say, I'm too sarcasmuch. Then I came to Hawaii and I said, okay, I'm going to help. And when I came in

the academia, in the real, it was very local, because there was a lot of, there was a lot of a year of 80 heads,

it was a lot of and I'd do you do so I'd organize from me opening the space and creating newas

hours, I'd put them in, uh, make the list of the was a little, it was a It was a lotc-5

with my father, and then I continued in the academy for some time, and I ended me casano, all those things, there's a little bit of a few, new-inia, also, and then, and then the life continued, I'm here, I'm in the States, and I've been 30 years, how is it? How are you go to the first

F-C-5? In-straçade, in real, I saw, the FEC, like, in the gallery, my father was talking about it, because out of the DVDs, the tapes there had been out of the

VHS, and the people were more saying, like I'm saying, about, I was having a condition

financial and things, they were changing, and the things, they were moving, and then I was going to the conversations,

the things before, and I went to Brazil, I was, my father, my father, my father,

my father, I was, I was more a little, a little, a little, I'm doing he,

he was doing he was doing, and and then, when I saw, so, but I don't have no

what was rolling very well, because also when you're teenage, you're an adolescent, you're, oh, by the Lord of God,

I'm sorry, I'm in the time, I'm going to know, I'm going to this level. This level. But then with 17,

with 19 years, I'm moved to the United, then, long in the second, I went to my father in my dad in

at the Krolese, and I'm there for much time. Even because the family Greece

had organized various events, the the challenges, no, in Brazil and so it's a

more than the United now. It was just in a place in a lot of different, because when I was also I was studying in the States of

him, we see the challenges in the academy, yeah, my son, I'd like the to the car, nah,

and I was yeah, I was, I know, I'm gonna be, pay, he's trying to go, then, it's never,

I've been much, I've been very, because I learned much, now, I've, who, who I

am, definitely was a part great, was participate of this all of the first of course until,

until now. And it's interesting, remember of these times of you, a adolescent, in the academy,

having the two, people, in these disaffirs, to get a porrata in a other

martial martial to prove the superiority Jiu-Gitz. And today your mission, that has

very, the, the, the, it's a, it's curious to look to

back, and see, to see, how it's a way, it's a new I don't know if it's

it's not we're going to we're going to what we're not going to all the whole whole whole no way,

no way, if there's a something, there's even more more, so nothing more more, then nothing

really moved, but we have, we have a we have a lot of what happens. And for

you know how I came in this area, like I said, all the my friends

always were people, All the people, the people, I'm going to go to go. Impossible. I'll see, I'm going to know where I'm going to

15 heads that they're going to I'm in a kid Karsson, in the New York of my time of adolescence, I was there all day. I mean, my

father, my son, my father, I'm the only a man, oh, T'u! So I'm a little friend of all the guys who trained about there. It was gradually

that I was gradually that I heard of someone that had been that had been been asked, was Selfinner who was Elwood

of my Tiel Carson, the first that I heard that someone had been be massacred in a head on the pencecoce,

and then could not be able to do that after this. That's the very good and that's the Marcel Ferreira,

Marcel Ferreira, a student of Tiel Carson. And it was the first that I heard of someone and there

was a little bit of my roommate, that was my house in the United and she's a mother, the name of her

a lottererer phenomenal, she had a wrestling of her, a marvellous, boxing, kickbox, she trained

with Rico Chipporelli, Eric Paulson, like, Gosh, Guy Metzger, she was all with this galenaed all right,

that's there, that's she was, she was living reclaming, she's, she'd be reclaming, those doors of the

mental, to make the , I'm gonna, but, like, it was, like, if she, she was, she'd say,

we'd say to some way, to go to New York, we'd be able to go to Newark, and it's, it's a remedy,

the pain, but never I've never put in the paper what really was going to happen. And the years

were going going to be and I'm and the mother, my wife, he started to develop

certain symptoms. In the beginning, I don't know the years were passing he lute he lute

that he lute that I don't know of the events because I don't know I'm going to remember

for the elite XC in the King of the Cage he was lute in these showzins

minoress so, and then he masquo the leg, in a war in a war, in the King of the Kade, just with a contract for FC, not did the LUTA, and he was, and he was, and then, it wasnton.

He said, hey, we want to be an academy. He said, I don't want to try the because I don't want to pass the years and say, I could have been made, and I said, I said, I said, I was, when this was starting,

he was kind of in a depression-zina, I saw a anxiety, I, I said, the things, he said that I said that I said that he never

had been, and I'd have to notice that there's some things erasional, it's emotional it's just

it's a fiat because even today when we go to a day and there's a million of people,

I'm going to people, I'm a poorada in the everybody nobody's to be a little bit

I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna and I'm a sonn of them even, even, but it's a thing

that was a thing that was I was being to be coming to other place, I think

a time he's a bit of a bit a bit of memory it's all what I

assimilable and then the episodes started getting more more

frequent and like the people and I said no no

there a thing there something there's a one

there was a lot there lot of she she saw

she she saw that that's that you see between

men. I said, I said, I said, you should for God, exactly what he was doing

it's like that he's like that a little look at a look at the movie. And I went to see

the film. When I saw it were going to connecting, the things were so they were

connecting, I'm I'm going to talk, so I'm see you hear you talk, so

I'm not I'm going to TED Talk there, CTI, that's the emblem of an encephalopatia

Traumatica Chromatic Chrom ChET CTE and when I I just

appeared, it's talks talking about the concussion and the first I see, was the Chrysno

Wenski, which is the actual president of Concussion Legacy Foundation, who leads to football American in the

United States. And then when I saw, my God, the hell, it's exactly that's going to have something

there's a thing, there on Instagram. I don't know some of a message to someone, that is long

to say this message, it's a majority of the majority of people don't know that

that's I made some of this for him, and I remember that I was crying. And before this, just to go back a second, which is a part of the important, before I was going to

call to him, to send a movie, and all, he had a lot of he had various surgeries. The majority of the lot of GMMA, the body is completely

destroyed, so you are with a problem on the cutvelo you're with a problem on the joel, you're with problems on the chest, you're having

all the types of problems physical. A we can see, and they know in which are, it's a secret of those days, not a secret,

as a case, the guy, have a cirrugia, not he's those things, so we're so we're a problem

in the joel, that he had a problem in the the cluel, that he had a

when the doctor, he put a he looked, the nose of he said, he's over various

years, he but he may be, ah, those guys don't know the time the time

the time the time every when he opened a when he looked in the clopence, he's, you're

Because you don't see this in the You know, it's not too much, but when go to make a macabucat, the thing is, it's destroyed, and they continue looting, right? And in this lute, the guy said the same thing. Abri, said, poach, yeah, yeah,

scar tissue, she's called it, just had a lot of, it's got a much, it's just gonna'emone, papap, yeah, yeah, had a problem in the joeyer, we had to try, that, that liquid of the joeyer, too, because of arthritis,

not because of arthritis, not had menisco, you know, these things all that are going to decorrent in the body of that's the

thing, that's that's the thing, you know, it's a time when it was a parable of the naris, that he had

the surgery of the naris, no, it was the surgery of Joe Stevenson that was the children, I looked at the

people, the day of the day of the day of the time, and I didn't know and I was, I was doing the

person, I'm that's the thing that's the car, because every day that we have been completely separated,

it's it's all really. What more is the wrong because we don't know. It was this

thing that came in my head. It was the other click that you do. It's all right. Like, clickzins

that were going to do you do this. When I I came to understand about it I said, my God, it's

like I'm like you're connecting all the dots. I said, exactly that's going to be

going to the world, with the pain, with the mother that she's seeing the way that's she's really

she's very now, I'm going to see my many times. People who I grew with them are my friends,

my family, the samurai who represent the family and I'm going to see the symptoms and I said there's a lot

about this way, I think this way to make this message to Chris he came to he came to he said, he said,

I said, I said, he said, he said, he said, he said, if I'm going to say a Portuguese

and fluent, you know, but you know, you're trying to all, I'm trying, so, you don't go to

Brazil with a we don't, because we we'll go to the USP. The USP has one of the major bankers of

the world, yeah, of the same we're going to talk to Dr. Renato Angina, who is a neurologist Brazilian,

who is the most incredible like, like, Salve Dr. Renato. And then we, I went to

with them to come with them to understand, how it works, how it gets a the brain,

and I don't know, I did even a program with Marcel Alonso, with, like,

that the confrari of the car, I don't know, I don't know say, concursion and contusown,

no difference. I was very gringas. Totally gringa. And I don't know much of the things in that I was, I was like,

me uprofunding on the issue, and then I'm not, today I'm, I'm, I'm,

PhD in on the thing. But this part of, this parada of, I,

go, to go, and check how it's, how it's, how it's, how it's, how it's time

it's time, it's time, how it's how it, it's, it's, it's, It was essential for I

to understand the necessity to do something urgent in the community. And then as more I learned more I conversed to talk about

to all the world that I knew I'd like to get to the families of the athletes that had committed suicide, I started to

general, in real. And then I started, there were some symptoms, before this, there was, and I was

getting to talk with these families and understand the situation that they had passed with

some and were passing even in situations even pious that I could imagine. So, it was there

that I said, no, no, no. If there's some person who can do something about this, I'm in the fact, I saw you, because they addedioner the lus. When they put the lus on the F.C., my father decided to say, because my father

exactly said it. If you put a lube in the hand of the person, will protect the arm, and will mackar the Cerebre. And this can't happen. So the reason that he saw of all because of the lusves. And it was very low, because

years before I entered in this parade. We were talking a day in a cell, there in and he said this. He said, my fill, the reason that I saw was this.

And I didn't know didn't know how I had a question of this. I remember that had been a thing that he didn't know the

reason exactly. And we said about this and he was like a marradown that I'm doing now, and trying to do a concerted

to this the guy. Not just concerted, but give a alleviation, yeah, education,

providencear resources, and also, obviously, treatment, that they need to They need very. I work with journalism in M.A.

I've been 14 years, and I know, and I know that this theme is also used much with a taboo, especially here in Brazil, like if you'd have been under the sport, creating a image of M.A. You found out of the barrier

of the looters when you started to bathe in this tequila? I still encounter until today, because, in fact, it's not a maldade of them. It's ignorance. They don't know what they're talking, but when they're going to discusses with me,

they desist. Not-m-da-mage. You said, my brother, you have to have the facts. You don't have the facts. I don't have any of the facts. I don't know. Studs about the facts. Then it's complicated, because they don't

know how the people, I think, so, so, someone can't make sure, you know, let's suppose that the car had a concussion. You see the guy, pung, it's a door. No, there's a protocol for the guy to go to the professor,

who learned with a professor, who learned with a professor, who said, oh, will give him let him start with jujuts, see how he's feeling, and tarar, right. But you don't have

conditions to know if the the Cerebra of the person is a machuced or not, just with this. No, there's a possibility. So what happens? With the Cerebro, it's like if it's a gelatin.

You do a pancada in the Cerebr, the Cerebr, it moves to-d-d-in. When it happens this movement in the Cerebrose, those things that

are those things that are the way to everyone to understand better, all the fewzinsins that are

they simply are abettings, because they are are very small and very finings. When they they're rebent, they

sort a protein in the cerebr, called a total protein. So the problem not the person to dismayas if you have

a concussion and it's a concussion and the caridore in the academy. The tum, tum, like the people

train, unfortunately. And at times it's a little more more than it's talking with the lovina,

to talk with a lovina, to the training normally with the day-a-day, this is the problem.

And you don't see, you don't see these symptoms, until the 20, 30 years. The MMA

is a sport very new. So you never don't know even know about the, how much this will

be able to be able to be a lot of control, just with the guys that I still with the more I'm feeling

imagine, as I'm more I'm more more apovorada in real. So I think it's important, there's many things

that are important but education number one in general because they need to understand that you

The more soco you take on your keats, you don't have to be more... The force, is resistant. By the Lord of God. This is the obvious, now. The more you take a soco in the car, more you remember Andre Arloveski?

The perfect example of this. The guy had that a shot, you say, my, man, this guy has a keithe of ferro. Today, now he doesn't get more, you know? So it's very dangerous. As people, today,

as far as the more years, there are ones who are dismaying in the train, and a little. You know, you know, just know how to fight more, you know? So it's very biggos and they're seeing the symptoms now, what's

going to be able to, but everyone's the most important is that they're feeling the symptoms, as times it's with a vise, of alcohol, at least it's with a vice of drugs, but they don't know that it's part of some thing more serious, more profound and that has to be studied, obviously. It's more difficult to be fan of MMA

after studying all this, to see a event, like you'd see you'd like you see before, when you were Leigh that was going to go to happen.

I never liked to see nobody. I always think in the family, I know what we're doing the time

I was talking to my ex-married to my ex-married that you, he's going to get to be a car if he's going to get a

night, he did a man live if the the lot of the night, he'll get some the dogger's to-law

to-law to-law to get the I think he's I think he's too, I think he'd this, because

since the start the whole of the time, the world from the past, this is actually,

in the Brazil, it was Jiu-Git- was against all the other. So I think I never really participated of this

thing of the team of the team of here. Logh, when there were some people that's like, I'm just with

them, I'm, I'm, the other the other the Jiu-Gitz, I'm, I'm, against me.

But I have more a, one, I think, in the person, I think, how she's

seeing, I think, the family, the wife, the children, and I have a... I don't go to see a lot-out,

I don't go ahead, and I have a phobia of the osse, so when I see that it's going to go to do something, I just, I'm going to be

going to go ahead in the tournament of Jiu-Git, because the guy bota the position, I'm mando- when you're

not the error, I'm sorry, I'd have to keepra, sorry, so I'm then I'm going and walk more, never,

you'd be able, if the if a son-o- if you would say, that I'd like I'd like to become a lot of the MMA? Of the way of it. Exactly the reason that I do,

what I do. For my filet, for my siblings, by my family, by my friends, all the people that I am in my life, that I'm involved in a sport,

that they're involved in a lotchew is the enemy invisible. And what's rolling today with this enemy invisible is a negligence criminal. Because not there no study done

to the lootators, not be the tests correct with the lootators during the training, not be done the tests before the the lot, and not be

the tests correct after the after the so it's important the people understand that we're not

not studied women, women, not a structure of the body the body, the waistcoat, all the

different from the structure of a woman. If you don't study, if you don't even, we have years to go

in the front. And the reason was, for cause of them, think, they're in a day,

the new my ne' no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

let me resolve this here, now, to end up to end up to this problem. I've seen that you posted recently

on Instagram a video by the doctor of Vito Vito Villefort with Eiffel Fyield, criticing

a fact of they've been approved the Hallyfuge clearly not had a condition of any of a lot

and this is just an example between centenas that happens every year every year

every year every day what you do you see when you see when you saw the

I was very, very, I was very bad, I was going to be very much, I'm going to know, in the first I'm

thinking, people, people are you guys, I'm sure that it's not possible that's the way, that's the way, that's the way, because I,

you, the Holyfield tried to be sanction, uh, to be able to not even in nowhere, then they've made

a lot of urgently to get a lot of so they're so they're doing this, so they're discharate, understand,

so, so, so, so, I'm absurd, I think, an absolute, I think, an abyss, but,

You see, the Kahnemagra to fight with Floyd Mayweather, the guy has, I don't know how many of boxing, the guy has a lot of box, this is a thing, that's a thing, get a thing, so, but,

we're, we're, we're, we're, we're in, we're in a sport that vanglorisa, uh, the person, you know,

the guy, take a sock, then he's, then he's, all the world, ah, then he's, he's,

he's, he's, he's, he's, all the whole, everybody, because he's all the person, because,

so, so, so, The more the guy so much the man's much, better,

technically, between the words, is the better, is the lot of the so,

so it's so we do it's we're not, we're that certain providences can be

taken to the academy, and the education with the coaches, too, with the

people, to be to be able to say, what's the guy with the guy of

the team of the and it's a sackada. Because, really, the pancada of the day-a-day, is a pancada that you don't have a door to a bad of the

head of the time, a pancada that you don't have any one of those, I still, I'm trying to say, I'm complicated, does that translation. I dis-lanching English.

When it came to Portuguese, I'm a lot of time, it's a lot of time, it's far. 30 years, it really, it's, it's,

but, so, so, these, these, these, these, these, these,

day-a-day-day with them, it's it's too, it's too, it's too, it's too, it's just, it's just-you-chewed yeah. The NFL moved many rules and politics after that this disease was discovered, and the impact of the lives of the

players and so. The FCS extended, recently, for more five years, the partnership with the Cleveland Clinic, doing $1 million of dollars to patronize studies, in the impact on long-priced in the

Cerebo, is it a little bit? What do you more could be made to be made to try this problem? I think a million of dollars, is nothing. They're doing tests with 600 and-tenths

and a lot. The guys go there, do you know, and then come to back to the next. Back a year, and then come to make a few,

six years to say some result. And there's a conflict of interest there, no, the officer, not have to be the

person who's, they should be banking these studies, not just the studies, but the treatment of these

guys, the support. I'm a message direct. I've made various messages to Sean Shelby,

to read hair if I'm going to say to say, my God, when you're going to say, I'm going to say to say this guy. But I'm saying, it's urgent, it's been to be made

something about. And maybe that's about about the issue, because if you see you see a documentary, that's a YouTube

or on Netflix, it's called League of Denial, the name of the documentary. I don't think in Portuguese. So, sorry,

but it's called League of Denial. And he he's exactly this story of how it started the part of the

thing, if you look, the UFC is going exactly by the same situation.

It's just a question of time. This is not it's not we're going not we're not going to

happen. This is all will come in atone. The people have had been to invests when there had a

thing that they wanted to the UFC, a Zufa the company all, and he's just had a

difficulty because the people investiders are so being people can't happen

something something something so this is this this this is this

this is just just in the the last two, three years. And I, you know, I'm going to continue, I'm going to continue,

because nobody will be parrower, no, I don't have any the person who I most am. So, it's difficult, it's hard to, they're not

what you think the F.C. I would have, other than, of, you know, studies, and all related to part of the

science, what in a sport, specifically, could be to be a, because it's a sport that, in the tureza

of them, is causing I'd like to know what you're doing because I don't know what you're doing nothing these studies in Cleveland Clinic for me is to hear you don't there, no, there's people go there to visit Cleveland Clinic,

I asked, and the athletes ask you, but there's more help, there's something, I'm feeling this, I'm saying, no, no, no, no, the result, I'll say, they don't have any support, they don't have, they don't receive information before, they'll, they don't receive information during, but if we don't put, the UFC, as a unique

the person who is, who not, that not doing the right, because this comes to all the different. I have a

friend my work in a time, you know, and when I explained to him the importance of the athletes, for example,

if they're in a syndicator of the South Paulo, because of the people, they're doing about, but

then the answer, but then, now the guys are going to go to money, it, will cost a whole whole

interest in the party, so I'll just, I'm go to the problem, and say, I'm not,

I'm not to figure, but I'm not there, but no, but it's that they're prepared. He knows. He knows that I'm so, so it's important

that the associations here in Brazil, the federations, these people, all, have a conscientization general. So I've come to be to Brazil more times this year, I've been five this year, and I've been conversed a lot of the athletes to be able to receive the lotators of GMMA.

We've, we've moved, there in the USP, in the M.L. The USP, as we're receiving the office, we're going to ask questions to know if the person was a athlete a professional, not so of MMA, but as come to football, football, of salo, rugby, what for, happens in all.

The Syndicators of the Trots of the Straitors of the Straitors of the Stereb that was important so, so there people who are

doing the cause, that's doing the difference and is moving in the direction. Not can't go back to back.

I'm not profit in the United, that will help us the other the otherattas the world with this,

with the treatment, with the four pillars that I talk the the process, and the questions,

are important to be important-scentr to continue to continue understanding more what's happening in these precious cerebes of these athletes and one of the things

that's the most difficult is that in the MMA the guy only gets more money when he getsicking the career

because he's the need to money when clearly he don't have more conditions to look but if he's

he would do that he never did not never did not, no football American

he's, that this this is a great problem but the guy gets the salary mensal

So, after 10 years of career, the guy has, if the guy planned-you-being, he has a money to live the rest of the life. In the MMA, does one, two-lutas per year. When I gain a good money, po, oh, awesome, but if you're planning, then it's not to pay, you know, then you say, it's a poised. A year before, you're going to be a lot more than you, it's a lot, because, so, it's very interesting, so he's not, you know, so he's not quite quite a great-known-known, so I feel in

each other, each part of of the students, every thing, I said, I said, I said, I'm like,

these tawles and the fruit and the twas and the tual and fruels? I said, I said, no, there's a new about the

thing that's this is, this here is Selva. And then I came to the house, and then the other,

the truth, they could continue, and the most of the most of the other people, there's a

medic, you see the there's a lute, you know, the jury, who don't have any education, not,

if you're here, probably they don't know know what's happening. So you have the juicies, but you have the medical. The medical here in Brazil, and in the States

also here, no, he looks the old, normally is an orthopedist, look for the eye to the car, see the pupilla is dilatada, no, be it back to train, and then, it's a criteria of the professor,

and said, no, you took a lot of pankada, and you don't have, even at the jutsas amateurs. So, this thing is borgulinginging, in all the corners in all the world,

the time entire. And then I start to learn about other arts martial too, I'm saying, my daughter of celso, I'm a pain, my door my door to my hair, when I'm going to get to let's the way, if I saw it, you've heard about the left away?

What is, what is that? I'm going to even think about it. A violence pure, there. Violence is pure, and head-sad, and all, my Jesus, what's what's happening here? So, it's very complicated, they've got to the kids to live there, there's many,

there's many people putting children to fight, and this is a, not a, not legal, because you're not trying to do a champion world with a year with a

little bit of sense that the Cerebrum won't have developed completely until the 25 years of age. So you imagine

these carototos who are coming to train up. This occur in Jiu-Gitso, this occurs in MMA, this occurs in box, no judo

in the Matured, too, it's a cyclism, it's in a formula one, NAD synchronized, and all the sport. So, so if we

can do something to minimize this situation, we're doing, but there's people developing much a thing

is legal. Today, they're developing a protetor bucalf, that says the force that the athlete is

taking a pancada during the training. Coases, like they're doing so much, but not are in effect, because it needs to

be a thing that people can't pay for a big, it's not a deal with a deal with this. If you don't

have access to the world, it's not it's not doing. But I think that's going in the

way certain, this is going to a moment. We're going to be a job, a person alive or or

or even is distant? Ainda no. What is it? How we can diagnose? You know, know, I'm a diagnostic for a person that possible to see you.

What happens is the thing. You can't have the diagnosis after that person more. This then there, no, it's to

have to open the brain, and then you see, then you see, and you see the protein in the brain. But you

can say, this guy has this style of the head in the person, he's with a

pain, he's not about the a you examine it entire to know what he's having, all the symptoms of the CTIE, not is related to a other symptoms of CITI, not, so the point of the CETI, then, you know, they're talking to but devolve, how long time you get to the CETI? No, do it in life, doer the brain, in life, doer the brain, in fact, you know, you're not doing the

doing the year. You're doing, you're saying that you will participate in the testes clinical, and that you're there, you want to participate in the studies, you know, that's a minimum that can be made a way, we can't be able to make a lot, this area, you're going to study these cars. And not just study, providencial, also, help for them, and the

reason of non-profit is that is this, to be able to help. And it's, during, and then- before. Not just, not for just, not just for, nothing, it's just, to do. It's to do a support for them, to be able to them to be a job, and how to lay contract, how how does the things,

how it's all, like everything, like that's, like the family, assistence, the family, also, that's very important. You've got

an opportunity to study a cellar of someone who did a career long of MMHA? Like you said, the M.M.A. was a sport

very new. A we're getting compared to other great sports, the football American. You've just this here, this here, was a

mutator professional of M.A. He did a year, we did it, we studied, after he did do it,

I believe that they studied a manmmian, but I I'm like, like, I'm, like, I feel like, I'm going, but how I put my,

like, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, so, I'm, I'm, I'm, but I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, everybody that's, everyone, it's all the combat, so, so, and, all of them, so, and, like, I, I can't say for you, now, that's, I'm, like,

the, I'm, no, this , feint, with a lotator of M.A., no, no, they're, and, they're even, and, and I, and I, I, and I, an interview of Babaloo saying that he will doar the

the brain, obviously, he's going to do- for these studies and stuff, there's more some other, you've seen some

movement, more people people who said, who wanted, he wanted, to doer, to be beneficia the next generation

with the studies that were in front? Lodgico, I've got with various seribus. I've just I've got

with various sermons, I say, I'm saying, I'm saying, look, not sign, now,

not come here house, can say for. You can sign. It's parrumpina yeah, do-a-do,

just did the pledge of his, but he's a pledge of his, Paul, the filo, you know, I have to check

the list there, but I'm always after, saying, oh, can me do the cairibro there, and they're so people

with me, they're doing that I'm doing a part of so they're super relax. And until this week,

I said with Timson on the time, we went to visit a person of the family. I said,

I said, Tom, Robson, I said, that you do your brain. You can't be able to

be able, can't be able. And just to let me find out, when you think we can think we can be that we can't

think a sport more more than this sense. I think when the people were to be educated,

education is all, so the minute that they start to understand and they're so much

so I, if I if I was, if I had my proper academy in this exact

moment, I had my idea of this things, if I had had been

all had been all. But, like, of the other the

little bit to the capacete, the chame the capacete, so the capacet the capacet he can do a

little bit of a lot of but he's only prevene to you start the the face, he don't prevene

to you don't prevene to take a luvus because when you're with when you're when you're

back the person of the person too, because for the people don't say, well,

when Floyd Mewed if he's he's taking someone? No, people, none. No, no.

Imagine. Everyone's all in Mayweather? I think he had to start the DVD how to prevent these things. Because it's the best way to

understand the technique of his idea. So, you know, the box and luvres is less a M.A. No. No.

No. Firing. I thought it was a, I mean, a conversation there on M.M.A. today, with Tygo,

Alves, Tygo, uh, and he's, and he's lot to learn that the Bernecle Firing.

And then when he said that the focus is all just in the head, but nothing, I was,

I'm in a , I'm in a I'm in a my header, no. And then I thought, no, so I thought that's

not, you know, you know, the hand, the hand not not a true, the hand is

a marred, and you you, you're, I think, it's a, matter, in all the

sense, because you're there's, there's, continuing, so in the same, it's,

so, it's, it's, you know, because the people, you know, 40,

50, 10, not you don't think that's putting a pancada repetitive in the head? For what they do do you know, the worst is in the

worst is the problem. This is very important. Not it's the concussion that you pull it, is the pancadurro, is the pancada

repetitive constant. This is the problem. We've seen a movement of many athletes that can't do you start to doffes so diminue

drastically the quantity of sparr that do but there's many people that don't, that do you do you know,

that's sparr in better than a lot, a lot. It's a mentality, a culture that has to be a muddada, yeah? Yeah, and so, it's because they're not educated. So the professors

don't know how to teach. They think it's like, they've been to be trained. Because they've learned it, from a professor of theirs. It's, like, I said, it's all over years and years of practice of the producers doing, and having, even, even because they don't have any connections. We didn't know that. I didn't know if

it was, I'd say, not even if I'd say, I'll say, look, now we're talking about the I was a question. The majority of the lot of the looters, no, never even to say, but what is but what is that? I don't know. I'm thinking. I've conversed with people until today, but it's but it's interesting, because I've seen, like, like, people who are people who are associates?

So, they're, they're taking some problem. Me liguing when they're having depression. Me lign when they're when they're having, whatever thing. You think that's that it's possible, or what for? And now I've got to receive a ligation, even of joggers, to joggers of other, other modalities. I'll Calm,

I mean, my paradigm, M, M, MA, Lutas a, uh,

Lutas combat. And I have a partner very strong with me in the United that's

Carla, Karla Duran. A father is the city Duran, you know, that he's exactly,

and she grew up in the academy of box, like I grew up in my own so she's

my partner so, not a million and I'm together, and I have much support of

the syndicators of San Paul, so there so there's many people that's in movement to

do is the thing right but there's much people who are trying to do it,

not do and not participate and maintain long, and these people I'm doing in them. And before the

we're going to get to the interview with Peter Munoz, I would like a reason, a topic, this is a

important that's a important-same, that's quite, and for the people, and for the people,

for the people can't learn and they can't learn more about this issue, and

maybe maybe maybe contribute too, it, would, it would

were there and did they'd, they'd do their, that's in rosygrace.org, and I think there's in Portuguese there, it's,

but if not, it's just to put the name, information, I even want a message, there's a person who's working now on Instagram,

and they are very good, because I'm pettable with this. But they, it's, if, if, if there's any

any question, whatever question, I'm a message to make a message to me. The person who's working with me, it's just focused on this

part of CTI now. You see that no there's almost nothing, there's more nothing, because really I think there's a focus very great in this. But I think we're saying this locus, entering in good times now, I'm sure. Tomara, Tomar. Tem to tors for a future

better for a future. With a certain. Very good. I'd have been here, conversed with you. From other side of the line, we're going to, today, Lorde. He's, that on the day 11th of December, confronts Dominic Cruz. Petrink, that's more than

a tour of the Lendas, there, is Vinded of a lot against a lot of Zey Alde, now, and getting the other ex-campion

the UFC, Dominicru. How are you all the things for there, my name? Yeah,

myel. Yeah, but you mentioned, there in my last six luts, were five

ex-campions world, so that that we know that we're in a, in a rott

there, a lot there, but, but, but, but, something that I

always, that I I've always always I've been I've been no sense of no sense no sense that I feel a time with the

better in the I'm in the time, I think that's the moment now and five or six years that I'm that I'm between

the top 10 and five co-sylando the UFC and so I've been with the ranking since then

where you where you'd where you'd puter you Dominic Cruz in this ranking of the names

that you've confronted? Definitely. I believe that all the things that I did are the important.

I believe that a lot is a pass to the next one the next one you know? How so

a lot of Jose Aldo he's a lot with Robb-Fonte that then gets very

close of who who will be the person so I think that each other

we position to a place to a place to a category and I think

very important this casamento of this this lute I know, I

like you with you with you know, with you know, my last four of the

three champions, you know, I think that a category, a category is very difficult, a category is great athletes, I'm sure,

I'm sorry Aldo, Cori Cabre, Frank Edg, Robb Fonte, he'll talk with Alas, final of the week. So, it's like, if he's going to get, if he's caught.

For sure. He is a guy that, for many, is the best of the gala of all the times? You, you concorded with this? You think he is the best of those times in the division? I believe it, if we

go cogit to five names, five major names of the story, the category Gallo, no, I believe that the Dominic is between them, by the fact of he being

from the immersion of the W.C. to the UFC as a champion to get the Ganyl J. Delachot, an guy

who is a bad that's very difficult to to wince he was a little he was in

Boston when they were a level technical so very great so I'm so I'm

so very lunged for the opportunity of the ex-compeer a champion world in my

curriculum, I'm going to say that's like that. That's his fight for historic, yeah, he got offached

during a lot of time, he went to Mizugaki knockoutiando in a minute, then he took the DJ

that was going and got that performance so primorosa but from he just made four

luts, a guy who can't can't can't be able to be much active

in the long of the career, many many were left he afastated. You think

that this pisa contra him in some or this story of his to have been so

time and has been he's a guy different of the majority he is immune to this

rigorous like the American I like you think it has the whole has a

real relevance much grand and he's he's he's fasted two years vending of the

legion of two or three surgeries and have performed the way that he performed against the DJ not a guy that we have

to be able as a athlete any quite he went he went to get the odds that was totally counter

the guy the guy said he didn't want to he didn't he was in the knee he looked with three days

five rounds a war I've seen personally so this day is a kind of kind of

like the old was like the Aldo was old was old so I'm so I'm old so I'm sorry

that I'mabod and this multiple perrosse of Dominique against the Casey Kenney he won't in a decision of a division was the first

he had been a kid to have been to the Coe and to what you what she said what she

did that Dominique what you can you can't to this time for this for the

Knie and Kace is a new, a threat is a duro a guy who comes of victory

was coming of victories of great Lutas and the Dominic was,

and with your experience, with the work of his work of that he was a movement of

the penna, he he could he got a lot in the technique in the

malandrage so he is a guy that definitely we've been studying to

to get to get to he is a guy that he is difficult to

get done, it's a difficult to be quite, difficult to be finalized. So, then, will be details, there's there, breaches,

in the part technique, that we'll have to use this to our favor. A we've discussed the last time after you've met those Alda, and you said,

and you revealed that there was a conversation of, who could have a lot of, you know, in the Pes of Category, but that would be able, to, you know,

if it was a thing a great, as a Dominicru, this idea of the Moshe, is it abandoned or is just

let her a little to be re-avaliated in the future? With certain, I don't

eliminate the possibility much, even some people, from my team, saying that

would be a effort of my part because, due to the physical I'm not

a guy that's a guy that lute of a galo, but that

It's a little bit of a low. I mean, I'd say it's 72, 2 kilos in off, in a period of of training, 68, 69. So it would definitely some adjust that I'd have to do. When I had this opportunity to talk to Dominique Cruz, with, with certainty, I don't think two days, you, at the same time, I never, I never, never said to the UFC officially that I would

go to, as well, we've talked about the last time, I was in-abert to see if I would, to be to be a but a lot of a lot of a particular I'd

would be exactly what happened so that's the opportunity to go the category of the

muska she not she she's she's I think that I think this

I'm not this I'm I'm I'm I'm because I'm

the great I'm pute a look at my some the next

past but I'm I'm I'll say, I'll say, the opportunity to be a opportunity

that's a opportunity that I see to be explored the more. You're in the UFC for a lot of a lot of

fans, down the United also in the Brazil, who came to make great luts here in Brazil,

including against the Robbent in San Paulo, but you built a career very short here in Brazil, before to

go to the United, to do the victories at RFA and, to get to the UFC. How is your life in San Paulo? How was your life in the Brazil

before you firm a residence in the United? For certain. So, I I had a story in a sport in San Paulo, that me gave me gave this, that I

was the motive, and the opportunity, and the opportunity that I came to the States in 2010, after having to have been in the jungle fight, against a mutator American who had been a strike force the Pablo Alfonso

before this I'd have done with other two Brazilians and this American in in in the Brazil and as how I saw

that the sport in the Brazil was growing but compared to the States America was engatying I wanted

I wanted I'd do an upgrade in my career in my career professional I had

some friends who just were here I just saw some tournaments here, a lot of Jiu-Gitro without kimono,

that I wanted to compete in the time, because I was in the time, I was training, I was just training and competing a box armador,

you know? So I, I just, I, yeah, the, the, the UFC, the WEC, the WEC,

and I would imaginearia that in Brazil I would have this opportunity. I think we here we're in the States

United, working with the people, and, and, and, and, and,

that would be would really in the future, particularly a language in English, to see,

to live here and to be a proper. So this then I, I, I, I'm,

I'm seeing the other these other the States, the events here, the events, here,

create a, create a , create a thing to be a family, in a family, in a

where my parents always always, I always was, I always was,

I was, I, I had a opportunity to try Jiu, And with this, I create a passion

in the sport, so I wanted I wanted to train, I'd better more and compete and I'm

due to the situations economic in my house, I don't have much opportunity to

the States of the States to compete as many people did, and when

I had opportunity to come to come to come to come to an ex-alunum

my, an friend a friend that I had in the time, he,

he, he, he, he came to come to care, and I'm working on here in the

academy of Riga Marcha, during much time, uh, I'm, right in the

house, the Roryon Grays, that you got, I, I, I know,

he, hener, he, he, who are the children, the, uh,

two people formidavable, that I, I, I, I, I, I,

I, the opportunity, the Felicity to train with them, I've got a opportunity to train with a

lot of in Los Angeles that's the academy of his academy of my house I'm in yeah the

old I'm not my house, I'm I'm still, I'm know the carobin' so I'm gonna go to the metro and the only business

so you know so in the The United, in this point, he helped me a little in this locomotion of training. And also I had the opportunity here to train with people that I was to assist, Anderson Silva, I, Otomachida, the people of the Black House, at the principle, when I came, for I was training in the Black House during seven years.

The time that I moved in Los Angeles, I pertincia, a Black House, and at 15-M-Me-and-a, I met with you, I knew Rafael Coteer, was a guy who, who, who me I did very in my ascension, the evolution technical of sport,

you know, and then I wanted to be able to look other other opportunities, develop more an sport, and go to

my objective, that is one of the world of my category, and consequently, championing in my

category, I, I, I, I, think in a possibility to go to America Top Team.

I had been to come to here, just, had been to some supporters here of America

Kartin. I've the opportunity to to come to back in 2015, I went, I went to 2017, and I decided to

get my family from California to come to have a father, I'm a child, I'm a year,

this week, Saturday so the my life here, practically I'm going for 18,

12 years that I live here, I'm going to be to Brazil, I'm always that I

don't get a possibility to live in Brazil in a future. I know. I'm a lot I'm a

good, I know a culture of a good, a reason that I've got to bring to the train. I'm going to make the

major communities communities that were the United. And then this that for me was very good because I had access

to know to the culture that I, that I grew up, you know, and you see in Florida

here where I live in Brownertown and it's one of the major communities the Brazilians that have within the States I think it's

supered, I've been in New York you know, you know, but even as a little professional or

or just after you have a career? No, the degree you have in the United, you know,

you can't get in in Brazil? No, I can't encounter in Brazil, there are

in Brazil, in the other academies, in Brazil, in San Paulo, I don't know, but in New Guinea,

a new Union, but I would be now this point of my career,

I'm am very satisfied and happy in the Brazil, I don't see,

the academies that are, that have the infrastructure that we have in San Paul in the

time, were all the academies little, that I had to train separately

and in Los Angeles also. It was the reason of my life to come because

here we consider all those training in a group so, I'm

very satisfied here, pretend I pretend end my

career professional at the at the time that I I had that opportunity

that when I know that I think I have that I have to have to have been to I don't have

no, I don't have no a coitation to try to work to the place so if

one day I would be in Brazil would be in after after after a

term of my career professional or a project that I have in

future because I love of Brazil so visit those my family,

the future Brazilian. The country is a bit good enough. I've been a lot of time every time

as a lot I've seen this difference as far and the pros and the cons also there's a

part good and the part wrong, but in a part good, but in a whole, I'm doing the

everything I need to do the I'm very satisfied. I don't discart a possibility to be a

Brazil in the future way to the front. You said when when it was to T.T. you just had confronted the people before. It was strange this start? This

start, like, standing in the environment, of Cario, you know, brother. It was, when I came to America Top Team, I had various friends in common who were, who just were here, just training.

I had, I know the Conan, yeah, to talk with him, and came in the tournaments. I've conceded Parropinia to talk about

to talk about in other places a child Moiseise we had a we have a year

a year the penes the Marcos Rogerio Peasong not not the bigfoot

the marcos Roger of Lima he he a we know from the time of our

our adolescence he he was training here and the Buscape

the buscape that he looked on a FC two he went he went Leandro Leandro

Seuza, Silva, Leandro Silva, I also know him since my adolescence so, and in the fact, I was in America,

Top Team, I, I was sent to, I was, I was, I was, I was very received, let's say, so,

I had a lot had been from the time of my adolescence. And who is the, who, the,

because I see the academy, they, poor, there, the, the best, the,

of all the There's a guy, very good on Mocha, the Spika of Mocha, who today, Rorya, who is the champion of Belator, the Ryerson, in your division, that will spot the centurial of Belton also, who is the training more for your

person, or in your division, but the guy that you train on in the day-a-day? It's the day-a-day, that are durissues, let's what you said, what you said, that today, Yorgoo, he is a fair, a machine, the guy, will be to vote now, the centuron,

of Bellator now the second week a match a match a man a car

a market a Japanese very rapid very fast for being a person a guy that's

me subrended by the force physical his adriano morais champion

moscca of one fc auto even was a guy that me

helped me for this he he is a he is a really

he is a he has this ability to copy the person and I have a possibility

to train I'm a lot with him there's other names here, Dennis Sabatelo Luntano

a bellator a guy a good my partner of the day to do you know of the day of

my category is very part of my training day-day other other other

other other but that are prospects that I think I think I think I

know Lail Capoeira who is a training all all they

I train with all them Anderson, the Gabriel of Oliver, the Ivan of

his brother, his brother, so I'm going like I'm talking about, I'm very very happy, well,

and assessorated with the team that we have here in America Top Team. The Miquin, you said, that is a

guy out, who has a type of physical that looks like, the style of Dominique of Lute,

is a very difficult to be limited, the movementation to be the Miquin, he,

absorbed, a bit this style of his style of his in the training? Yes, he is a guy that he has

a bit of copia and very abilod. And other guys also that don't have the game exactly

but he's not the game exactly equal to Dominin Cruz but we can

mixlar a movementation of one with a potency with the other, with the last

of one so you can't get one one that move who is who is a movement

very, very rapid and he a lot of outside, he's he's not, he's not,

he's not, so we can't use this, because the Dominic, he's, so we need, so we can't,

the time, so we can't, there's people, there's, no, he's a lot like, he's a distance,

he needs to a distance, to do you, then, so, he's a person, to do you know,

a guy, that's a kind of make a little kind of making, so the man, so,

so a man, a man, A guy who is very really good of a guy who is very good Jiu-Jit, because we have to be with Jiu-Jit's

lapidated. So, every person of the team, the training, doing the better me does and I give

the same-per-s always, you know? So, so that he's a, a pat-a-March that we can

study and lapid- the style, in the case against Dominic-Dus. Chegating here in the reta final of our

pap, you are a guy who who has a question of the the other

the other the other the other the other the other the other first of the real realtor

the last the moment of finalized the finalized in a guillotina the speciality how you you see the

the two adversaries and how you think you that you will say what is your palpite

for this brother brother with some some two guys that are in the position

where they are in I'm a when I I'm a guy that I'm when I'm looking at I'm not a guy who I'm coming

the same or I'm talking about the lessons not discriminating nobody that's talking I, the person to get to me

for the guy to be better to me in that night I'm a guy that I can't get the have the flexibility

to see the ability to try to try to try to try to try to to be in my

better version as a professional, and with a doctor and professional, too. And, for sure, the Josealdo, he is a man that I think, you know, the most of the most part of the world, and so. And I'm not, you know, it's a lot of category of him, because I'm not, you know, it's always, you know, it's always, you know, I'm sure the guy, you know, it's always, I always saw him, you know, I always saw him, I always saw him, a guy, always qualities very good,

but in the last two, the last few, the he had he had a few

he's he's he's he's, he, he, he, he,

he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he,

he, reperee, I, I, repere, in my daughter, that he's,

he's, he's, he's, more, he's, he, he, not me,

not me, not me, didn't, he'd be a lot I believe for resilience I think

the Jose Alder is a guy he is more potent, he is more fort

and he and he knows to talk he's he's he's he's

he he's a lot of a victory a victory to a for Jose Aldo

no he would be me surprised and you see in this

new Aldo this you you He thinks he has everything to to turn a champion

you think he will be able to be a champion obviously it's something that you want to be a lot of two years

and he's going to Robin Foote he might have a chance in the future yeah maybe he's being in

up with the Peter Ian Ojames Serling the DJ D.J. D.J. D.J. He's still

he has been a new chance he will take the chattron? I think he has a possibility a possibility

very great. Peter Ian, I had the opportunity to train with him in America

Top Team. A guy also very good in the last his last his

D. Reagan. He could show the how ability he is

a, but in, when we we're talking in relation the force and potency for

Jose Aldo he, he, he, he, he, he has a

more a more a more, a more, a more, a more, a

Even that the Yan, he is a guy a man, he can have a power of

of the Jose-aldo, but the other in that he not moved to him

he got he, he, he, the Peterian would have him, he could

see that he had a augmentation much better. There were some, some, some,

some, some, some, he came doing doing, doing a doing a

job, very specific with the marina in Brazil, and I I also do that, and

for the DEDA, who is an excellent trainer, you know, every derrota we learn, as the victory, as a lot of,

in the war, we're also, I think that's the part of this the Lutte, he came more to

move to the outside, and it was very a lot of to encounter him, so I think now,

with this, with this, with this, with this, with this, this, with this, would be a

good under the the centuron him, and it would be just to to finish

on the podcast before the interview with you, I conversed with a rose Greasso, that has a

work very important, of conscientization of the CITSI, in the MMA, in the sports of combat,

protection, of, the people, there are many at the attention that's not doesn't, that this

disease, that's a how to do, what needs to be done, what needs to be a a problem,

a lot, that, that actually not actually not used, notion that this was a that's a disease that would affectarie,

athletes of combat, and all right. You think about this? You work with this in mind of, I need to diminish things of sparrings that I do do fast, move my style of

how is you consideration in your training, in your fight? No, no doubt. No, today I do do with,

I do not, I do not, I do not, I do do not, But the spines that I do, some spines, we do, some, we do. We're also a contact fort.

But, but the quality of the spine in the for me, today I value more the quality of the spine than the intensity in the city. What I do you say of quality, not is the guy that he will be to sort,

to defy the goal and a cent on your head, but it's a guy to use more the velocity. And also is a guy that he has a power also to be able to

if he went to the gopola that's a thing, it's a thing I'm going to be

training about with my companions and I'm all we know, we're we're

on this requisite to this requisite because here in the States we have

a little more more of access to material documentaries I've I've seen

documentaries yeah that after I you pass the names here

my that makes you make you make you to be a

little in this respect. There's one that I saw a few

years about a lot of a American here a little

a way that he was he he developed a but

he has a name that he's name of or

I think that the person are so so they

so so so so the person, she she going

going going and he he never he he

didn't develop a appell and this car he

was the principal guy to to be this apparel he, he talks with the people

you have an idea he's a man, he's a man, he's a man, he doesn't he doesn't

take a banion, he just just gets in a cardea, the chair, the chair that you get a

and there a cell, a computer that comes in the front of he, he looks

letter for letter the machine the machine the machine so

so so the documentary brother I'm this documentary, if a Rose

is a Rose? I don't know she I don't know her, but I have many people, people in common, friends, people who are very friends of this,

this woman. And I'll give a look at and I'll see this guy in the social and this guy continued alive.

The medics got three years for him to he's, he got to think in the fifth year, but it's very

really very, very and also people and people people people

that I have a opportunity to know to see and see what the CTI

and the conclusion many of many of a future that. This mess with

you because your career is basically to try porrada this mess with you

the form that you lead to the sports of plans of aposentatoria, to incortar the career, making a career more

than you, when you were a joveen, imaginable? How is you lid with these sentiments confitants, right? Very good question. I just thought, I just, and I think, always, I think about possibilities, even more I, that I have other propositions

of life, one of them is create my daughter, see her, grow, see, love, to live, my notes, understand. But, but also I have to be loyal with my proper sentiment it's a sport

that, along of a sport that I do, even that I think I don't me identify in the type

of person when I perform, it gets a little difficult when we really of a thing we do a thing

does. So my work, the my work, I think not it is a

we need to be a person, as a person, as a my father, as a friend, as a man,

what we do, you know, but it's very difficult, I think it's very difficult, I think, many people

don't say, this, this, this, this is, this will make a, not,

a lot of, a lot of, no, no, no, but I'm more, but I think I'm more

, but I think you're, like you said, so, that's, that's, that I'm, that I'm,

that I'm thinking just, has some years. A plan of aposentadoria,

investment, you know, plans there that, which, today, today, in the

two years, I've been thinking much about, about, when, how to be a

postent and things of this type, because, other to be a sport

that we that we know, that we get really, there, there's

other things in my life, that is important the When when the

when the issue when the family, children, I think the creation of a child,

I think it's more important than any than any other than the world more this paper, this pap

there, it's like you are taking the pet the sederado no, no, no,

but I think I'm thinking a little from the question, you know, when

think, about the possibilities that exist, you know, and this me does a lot

with a planagement a lot, a I'm a lot of I don't want to not want to cite names, but

not voters then after the car, for the generation that comes in the thing. I think it's, I don't think

the UFC do that's a purpose, no, because it's the Glover, there's a figure that we have a,

42, 43 years, I'm in the champion world, I don't think the UFC jogga nobody

no idea, you know, opportunity they're in, bat in the opportunity, you're going to be able to,

so, you know, there's, so there's, there's, there's, So, I Not, not

Not, not Not siting This day It's about People to Get out of People It's

It's, It's process individual Of every person, It's, for me,

but I, I, in the last years, I, I've been conversing with you

With the last years, as I talking to you know plans to me to turn a great

trainer I've I've already doing mentors with great mentors of Brazil

and here of the South Unos and start to develop a

a school a that I can use of my life of the

understanding of the professional that I have to have to impact

the new generation and with this develop employ

emper and a project of a project of a present

of Orleans. Manure. But first, the most important now is what comes in the week next the week of the last month

also important, also, also, also, also important, also, not the important important,

important, important, very, with a great, I'd like I'd thank you for the visit

here on podcast, always to talk to with you, and rebent in the time in the same time

man, man. Sure to go, Gillian, bigadown, bradown, brother, thank you

a pleasure to talk with you also. And it was a pleasure, clear, to have your

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