MMA Fighting - Trocação Franca | Jacaré quer lutar boxe com Belfort e Borrachinha

Episode Date: April 13, 2022

Campeão de tudo no jiu-jitsu e ex-detentor do título dos médios do Strikeforce, Ronaldo Jacaré quer um desafio novo. Aposentado do MMA após passagem pelo UFC, o faixa-preta revela ao Trocação Franca o desejo de lutar boxe com dois compatriotas: Vitor Belfort e Paulo Borrachinha. Jacaré, aliás, diz que nocautearia o Fenômeno novamente. Na entrevista, Jacaré fala da possibilidade de lutar jiu-jitsu novamente, o aguardado duelo André Galvão x Gordon Ryan, e muito mais. O melhor do MMA brasileiro no Trocação Franca, toda quarta-feira, com o jornalista Guilherme Cruz e convidados. Jiu-jitsu legend and ex-Strikeforce middleweight champion, Ronaldo “Jacare” Souza wants a new challenge. Retired from MMA after his tenure in the UFC, the grappling ace tells Trocação Franca he wants to box next, and sets aim at two Brazilians: Vitor Belfort and Paulo Costa. In fact, Souza said he would knock Belfort out again. “Jacare” discusses his possible return to jiu-jitsu competition, the highly anticipated clash between Andre Galvao and Gordon Ryan, and more. Listen to Trocação Franca with Guilherme Cruz every Wednesday to hear from the biggest names on the hottest topics in the Brazilian combat sports world. Follow Guilherme Cruz @Guicruzzz Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Guillermo! Cruz! Hello, my friend of the lute. Welcome to 32nd episode of the podcast, Trocaation Franca, a your house

about this sphero. I'm Gailerone Correspondent of the site American, M.M.I. Fahin in

Brazil. and I'm back on this quarter in the company of the Lenda Ronald of Jacare champion of all the Jujits

and ex-campion of the track force along of the other than you go to talk about to talk about to talk about a car

that's called a manawara in the story we're gonna we're Ronaldo Jaka ex-campion of Strak

Fossi, veteran of FC championed championed of the future of the current and now I'm

welcome to podcast a pleasure to have you here with you with you thank you thank you

the convict, I'm a little summed, but who is, who is, who is, always always, never appears, right? With a lot, poor, who are you doing in the media social, see that you

are in other type of lot now, to get a problem, that was a dream that you had a lot of, you had a lot of you had said,

you had this objective to have the academy, how he was being this, this life, post-MMA,

with these new challenges by the front of the professional. In real, it's It's very difficult.

We're going to care of people, so it's very complicated, there's the part of administration,

there's a part of bureaucratic that complicate that complicate a lot. We're

being doing a job a work a lot we want, we want to care to care of

people, so I don't imagineable that would be so difficult, but we

are getting are good, I think we're do I do a excellent of the job.

There's my my husband who me help for a carambe my right, my head,

it's my head, my person, it's my only the boss. Just as the best. It's been

more difficult than you imagine, what I was the most of the most difficulties

that you have been in this adaptation because you have been your life tribulated

it, it's much thing to do when you when you when you when you

when you do when you The preparation is a decathlon that you have to do in the day of year in the academia. Now the challenge is different to have to organize living in the United

is being more difficult you imagine what would be. Yes, yes, it's been complicated, but it's been living well. The life is a challenge. For me, this is a new and, I have a certain that we're doing to do a good job, we're going to do

a good plan of class, we'll to be to be good to the students, we're going to be to be with the parents. It's a academy very familiar, I'm a guy who's a family as a base, so I'm focused on in care of family, there's an academy of family.

It's the my focus, you know? I'll give a focus special in the kids, classes, in the classes. Now, we're doing the plans of class,

these things so it's a very difficult we're always a lot of a lot of and we're to think

to think to think to think to think to be the other side to be

a professor it's very difficult for me but we don't have good we're doing

really not not the your objective is a an academy

like you said so familiar zero voted to

for the competition for for you form people to

go for a world or this is the the

the objective, a long past, you have a dream of a trainer to form a new generation. Of course, in these hours familiar, you can identify a talent here,

but there's an objective to do a team strong of a tournament, too? It's an order of things, you know? We've already

a percentage of the athletes that are when you have a team, you know? And with certain, there are,

there will surge various great athletes. We're going to We'll be in the athletes. We'll put this to to compete. And in the future, I believe the team will be very

strong. You son, who can't inform the kids, too, for this way in the other way? Or it's still that he does other thing? I don't see, man. Let's see. Let's see, the middle, the

male, this is, and will be a doctorate. With, with a doctor. Ententee? The little, too, I believe he will go to the lot. Not so, It's a major, I don't know, but he will have to train when the academy

he's at the way, he'll be able to get to find where he fugitive, this is obligatory. I remember of a interview that we did, I think we were on the side of the former of the X. Jin, I don't know how many years

have this, I'll have, say, eight years, and you said that you would be a M.MA because you would have the challenge, because had a dream of the UFC also, as well, as he was champion in like that it was, and that

if you'd get more if you'd have more money, if you would have been, and now you're going to be with this project, out of the paper, finally, something that you have already been asking, about the time, you'd have, you'd have

taken this project before? No, I'd say to end up career, but, maybe to try to do the two at the same time? No, I think when you go to do something, I'd try to do with an excellence, so if you'd have a focus in other

thing, maybe I don't do what I would be doing to do you know,

I'm my limitations here. And imagine I'm not not focused, how it

would be in the right right. A we're we're we're

going to get a idea, you know, it's a cause of the COVID of this

pandemic that had the things all right, everything was more

more more that's of price, I've got complicated to get to do. A we've got to do. A number in the

head, the number, the number, of the number, of the number, the number, the rate but the, but the previsant

is that in July, the academic had to be there to be going to get the final of this month

now, then we will enter with a part final, that's a mannere, and now,

and now, it, to start, to start, to start, to start, this, this,

new a step of your life. Looking back because you lived in the MMA, that was the last chapter of your own

an athlete, after having been a story in the Jiu-Gitzen in the Greepin. What the balance of general that you

did the career so, a great thing that the career termed, it's not that nobody got to

never got to you're competing on an high-nive in the BACC, but what the balance

you do that the RETA final that you have done the thing.

I had had people of the neurology that confiated but I don't have done sufficient to to get to work,

but if you do a thing, not does 100% you don't have 100% of result, you know,

so I'll put the so, not in nobody, only, exclusive in me, in my

person, I, I mean, all, me sabotable, like, I was, like,

it was to do me, I'm, to do me-s-sard, or do me-sead, was to eat a more,

not would be more, So, in reality, in the final of the career, I was just kind of a sack-cheo of that there, of all the stress that I had been, of all the stress that I had had been, so, so it's complicated to battle, it's the idea, too, that's notary.

Everyone says, physiologically, that this not affected, but, care or not, it, it can be, even mentally, it can be, you can't affect it, you know, of you, you're living, being, you're living, that, you're living,

many, many, years, and, in the final, it's complicated, but but I think it was excellent I've had a excellent salary in the FIC

I don't have nothing to recalmer for the caram to the FECA I don't I don't have nothing to reclimate they never

paid an excellent salary and for me was all right this process of auto-sabotage is a thing you just

you just you just you put up after you looked to you looked for and saw it was the career? Or it's a thing that

even in the hour, you know, in the middle of the skate, you know, you're not doing certain, I'm not doing the ideal, but

for this, I'm going to do you, I'm going to do this, I'm going to be a lot of sacks and we're not doing the,

the, what, what exactly you think you did get to sack of shale and pass, not,

not, not, not, not, not, try, not, not,

I didn't, I, I, had much stress, really, a thing normal of life,

I think the choices that I did the I think the there were moments that I could say, then,

I don't, I'm going to wait a minute, I'm all right, I'm all right, I'm all right, I'm not a problem,

and I don't do you, or not me instructed to do you to do you, so I think the error

was that's it. I'm sorry, I'm looking to look at back, I didn't have picked this

this is a lot here, for example? Ah, various, various, five. And what do you think is that the problem for you

get a lot of pressure? I think it's pressure, the pressure, the pressure, the, I think it's,

I think the if you say, the other, he's going to go to think he's the person, is a,

know, if you put, you put some if you puttap on the person to, say, well,

let's go, well, let's, and the person, it's, the guy, the guy,

no, it's, it's it's a imagine I think I'm trying no

no no no no I don't have a no I don't have to put down

what happens on my life and the there was a and there was there

no there's there not there no no one one

one the public the side of the fans and all

they they I who may have been able to have to be a stutoural and it no one roll, the Danad, the fuddered, the chaperna, when it was the part of the end of the henison, did it, the bishop who fugue of his

did he, he fugue of his own? If you, if you were, I thought, oh, my sacri-nearro, I should have to be taken to the no, no, no, no. It's, it's all, okay, so, the next one is I, so I'm, I'm going to, so that's never, you know, you, do?

You, you know, you? I think it was our team of the team of all so I don't have to really to not really to

not know the error not the no way it was not it was it was you not

he's not he's he's he's he has to do business he has he works

he's he's he's he's he's super he's he don't have nothing

I don't have nothing to say not about he's not he's

he's a man he's he's much he does much what It's always well

FEC, is what the F.C. is what is, and the United States has helped much for this. So, I'm not going to

not. I'm not I'm not. I'm not the guy who's the guy who's in a man. And this is

a door that's a major thing? I, I'm generally, I, I, sincerely,

I don't have a want to get a email, I, I've, I've done I did

for caramba, I did much this thing. I don't have an interest, not, of Lute to M. M.

normally. But you leave open the possibility to do you other types of competitions? Like,

Jiu-Gitzen? The box, the place, a place that you train is a d'n, but you don't

get, you know? So, a place you can't do you can't do you? And then I

will say, Jiu-Sit you can't my life all, I'm just a lot, I'm

just a person, you know, It's interesting, you're going to be to box you know, you've been

a lot of many times in the kautian, many people and you're a guy of Jujisela

imagine you're going to see this way, it's a little curious to for who accompanied

your career total, yeah? Ah, it's a life, man, but we

get a a new different, just that this is this was a desire that you always

that you never to be a tendency world, to be getting much the veterans of

the MMA going to for boxing it's a mixture yeah, it's a messure, yeah, the challenge, all the tendency,

everything. I remember that my interview your interview for the last of the last, talking to

put, he's a one of these great names that have made the transition of the M.M.A.

to be annerson Silva is a call with a new box, there, there,

there, the Cigano that also will, will, will, will, will,

will, do this in pre-tated, and you said you've got who's a guy who you've in the UFC,

knock out of him in the UFC, and he has a story in the box also, how he came,

how he came, also in those arts martial, is the name that you interest, E.

Kittsavray? Oh, I think it can not happen, not that is, but it's for me

interest, then they're saying, no, the jackare is moll to bat, no-se-what-you-no-graw,

I don't have a-dragan a money-fas? It's just to get in, batting the jacaree and then I'd say to go to the money, but I think the other way,

no, I'm going to be in the form, I'm disrespeating of him. I think a lot with a porrochina would be a

generation, you know, and I'm not I'm disrespecting to get a poor-china, you know,

just think it's a lot good, you'd put, man, It's a generation different, like, borrachia,

monged, man d'uro, jackar, let's see if the jackar can't, it's a little, you know? So I think

it would be very legal, this. Falunned the Belfor first, he did, he was with

many of the ball and see, marked, yeah, he came to the end of Evander Holyfield,

what you thought of that that's the thing, he's, I, I don't have nothing to

say, no, I'm, I'm, sincerely that would be going to play

battlefield, boy, bathe was a dotho like a man, where he batting not would

have more the way, but thanks a good of Belfor entered

there, he went and he got rascar and he was you know in the first you

did he so you could be if he front my box? With certain I'd

repeat this and the and the Burrachin why he was a man

he's a man a man a man a good is a is very new. So I think it would be a way

because it would be a generation very different to be entrenting. And without a number, and it would not be a bit of attention. For this reason. But he's not to be boxing, not box. He's got to the UFC, he has a contract

and he can't go to a lot to boxing. He's got with a lot of boxing. He's in this brinko-contractual of, he wants to gain more money, but apparently he would be it. But he's probably to say to the FC if he doesn't not, not,

not, not, not, not, not pagas what he thinks he he merits, do much, so, then, then, who's maybe, he's to be, to,

for, to mark this other with you. Let's see. Let's see. It's be cool. Let's be for him to be to be, you

see. You know, you have been in many moments, he's been satisfied there, with situations, with the

situations, with the law, blah, of other athletes that you said that you have a

that's you've been the other way of the side of course of the case is a different

but how can see this new new moment of the new moment of the not that

the athletes are being being pleadinging pleading bolsas major more

more direct in the sport you as as a I'm

I think all I think all all all work and say,

but Dan, my mom, my man, my name, my name, my name, I'm going to get a lot,

I'm going to get a boasts, go back, if the car no pay, you know, and say, and say,

talking about the media there, well, my point of the point of my point of white, is the

I'm saying, I need to get a lot, you need, you know, you know, you go, and me spank

some car, and say, pa, pa, and say, you don't want me pay this this,

you don't not, so I will say and it's you know in this the theory

of the barachin is correct because he obviously he did he did you talk publicly

like it's like about in interviews, about it but he's batting the I'm going to make my

last little and I need to negotiate or pay what I want to I'm not but I

think he would say in the media not not just talk directly to say

I'm like I want to I'm The job is efficient, you know. He has to be in the way to be in a place, even to be in a way of the

point of view. It's my point of view I don't think he's wrong with what he thinks. I'm going to do all the right to he renews the contract

and gain what he is what he's asking there's a little proctor no, I want to be a lot of the centuram. You think that will happen to happen difficult in a career

in the 20s deros? Yeah, a moment difficult, everyone has, but he's very new new, the last

old of the was really really cool too good and he was a problem with the problem with the

problem with a problem with the problem with he wascilled you know the real the person I'll get

that he's like that's a thing you're going to you're a thing that's you think there things

in the structure of the sport that they're not too corrects you're not just as those

athletes I don't know I don't know in reality I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know

I'm not I'm not going to I'm going to I think the I should have directly with the FC and work to work

my mom the same I'm going to I'm going to no I don't not I'm going to like I'm like I'm like

so I'm going to pay for six hundred a dollar $500 million you will you're going to I'm going to I'm saying he he'll see that

we're paid. There's a athlete, the Chano Marriended, don't know how you know, you know, you know,

you see, assist the FCs today's today, and he's, a man, a man, a man,

was a lot, and he came to be full of social, and he said, I don't go,

I'm going, to get to pay them, pay more, and so, what you think you this,

this posture of the guys, in different, the guy who goes, I'm, and say, I'm,

I'm, and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'll confront any one, but I have to be paid to enfrent a number. I don't know,

I never did a job in profession in relation to this. I did a friender, I was going to ask you guys, the car was to confront and when it was to get the foot, I came to go to

say, my mom, it's the same, it's going to get to, then, I think he's, he's, he's,

he's got to get to, get to, he's gonna, get to, he's gonna, he's gonna, and then,

and then, and then, say, and then, you're gonna be, You don't want to pay me not. Let's talk about you.

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as a new don't of the gym, as we've said, revela, who can be

revela, new talents in the future. If God if you will, we'll reveal, we'll

give us, what's your plan in the area competitive so, you know, you'd

would be this door open up there, and you want to the people,

we're seeing many people, the we're seeing, for In the end of the month, the Damien Mayer,

doing a lot of Submission against the Alex Cowboy in a event in San Paulo. What do you think? What we're seeing? What we're going to do Jiu-Gitzo, the Submission,

more professional than it was a lot of that you were that you got to be that you got to be that's why you did, you know? Oh,

I don't know, we're, I'm, the life all I've had Jiu-Sis to be grace, yeah?

And, I'd love because I I'd like really, but it's a certain moment that I

said, I don't I'm going to have a husband, a friend, a house, and how I

will pay the account the house with these Jiu-Gits I, and I have to stop but in

the doors abetta, I don't have a military, I'm doing Jiu-Git-S, who I'm

also a part-a-d-d- I'm a pausonado for kimono, so-a-o- car-she-chep in my academy, will be Jujitsu, and we're

going to do the team of Submission also, but it's no-gui, in the case, without Kimono. Who knows, we can go to talk to T'Mono normally.

But just Kimono, an ADCCA, not, no, doesn't interest, so. No, no. Why? It's just, it's a thing my Yeah, yeah.

You know, you know, you see what going to be what's going to be the new talents, like, the people are people are really doing

today. I mean, I'm going to be crazy to do you get to be really for a carame. I don't know the people are

saying the shhurt of, you know, that's going to go the contrary, I think the the jujit's very beautiful.

You know, the guy is looking beautiful. Much a guy's new there, so I'm am really this

new generation of Kasker. You know Fache Marrome, my brother, the tachshah Rosh, for my

God, the men, those guys are very good, they're very those people are very level,

po, borg, 18 years, he got a face of brown, he got a face of 17, and look,

look the he picked a faxed with 17, I've started to turn to 17. C,

car, the lookura, man, the guy, man, the guy is fair. Then you

see these guys, like Craig Jones, my man, for me the submitch more

that's that we have Craig Jones. Then you see the other, there's Gordon Ryan, which is, por, phenomenon. But then, but then, for the other side, man, man, man. Penna that's been on Gordon Ryan two, two ways,

and I don't know because the guy don't know of him, this guy, is feral. The man, of some kind of this man, this guy, for me, is the number one. Penna, for me, the number one. Can't say what for

the number one. You know? You're used to see the separated, this you this is a guy new, get inventing something new

and stuff, and, boy, on the day next time, try, try to find out of those finalizations of positions

to guys, do you know, I'm asking me to see them when I'm when I'm saying, and I'm teaching this here,

I always, I always, I always was a guy to ask, to ask, I never used to make many positions,

but I I'd say, I'd say, I'd say, I'd say, to defend, as nobody in position,

so I'm, I'm being a birombole, I'm, I'm just about at least it's even me back, I'm not in there. I'm going to be able to do,

what the guy's going, what he's doing, boy, and get to get the Jujit's, you know, has to understand the Jiu-Jitsu. I think, it's very beautiful, jiu-jits,

and the guy who says nothing to be, there's nothing to be, for the contrary. If you, eventually, go to a lot of Jiu-Jit, if you want to take

someone of your generation, or you want to see, test, when this grader is the novel is coming there? I'd like to get a little more generation new, if it were, if it would happen but I don't, but I don't know

will happen to happen, so I don't even comment about this, but I don't have interest with the people of the people of the Antigua, no. Why you don't think that it's what you're going to happen? I don't have to do everyone, too, too, I don't know, because this is the film that will happen, even with the new generation.

I don't, I don't know, I'm not not. And, like, so, like, the story was a few a few years

a few I'm not, I'm gonna I'm, I'm gonna probably pretty much so,

po, it's all yeah, yeah, who can't see it on YouTube. Just can

just for you get a little of your Cerebra there, the, of your

know, the great battle of this year that's everyone that's

all the whole watching you looked a lot under under And

Andrew Galvon they're with a trite a time and they're finally to be in front in the super

the LCC you know how you know how you think you think you think you do that's a

favorite who you know what you see a feral car the galvon has a part of

he is super hyper strategist what happens the galvon is all the time

trained what is what he happens he's he's all the he's

all the his adversaries of his two years and he's going going to the guy will be the guy

will be when he's the day of the other the same the guy got done but the

guardon Air was expert he was going to do do you do not

so I'm there so I'm there don't have to see there

no he's not you get then then now

I'm now I'm so for for who everyone

will who will He's a lot just to defend the title of the DCC. Then, then it's a monster to the man, my brother. Gigant.

Trenucoe with all the students are super-liper casca-grossed. Ententee? You know? A lot of casca-glossi to help out of the

game of the car, where the guy or not erroarer who did he got saluting, and so looted, so leisone, and then,

then, and, the day of the the other, the my brother, Andre Galvon, get there and pap him all. He is fair. I think, man,

can, can't do wrong to Gordon, yes. The galvon, my brother, Galvon is ferald a fairer, he's a man

a guy free, and it's a guy difficult to to look. For the other side, Gordon Roy is a feral.

This guy is different. So, so, I don't know what will do do, him.

Currosamely, the thing you said, that the Andre Gavon he's guard for the great Lutter and Gordon Rye is doing

exactly the opposite he not not entering in the month the year he's insured in the category of the BCC

so he will do the CECC and do that the superluta also in the same the same for you

so one error of his no no no no sure you for sure

for me and he he will get the Pena man the Pena is the Pena Joku Rucooo

Rucoooo Rows for it has been approved this. Understand? The Penna is a joke rude

for any one, no, my mom. By the man, this guy is a monster. Then,

the other day, the Fepa, no, the B.J. Star, po, jacareva, will not

be the penna, po, do you say, out of me, say, here, man,

he, go, go, go, go, and he, got to go to

not, he, he, he, he, you, are loco? I'm going to be cat in Casmodan and

Casemite. No, bar with this. Let, go back in other, my, he's nother. He's the word.

He said, I can't say, you can't go, no, just to get, so. I don't know. This last one

of Andreya Galvan and the Gordon-Royt has also the aspect of the psychological, that this

trita that's being arrasting from the last of the last DCC, even the last

of the last DCC and that the lans of the tap that he did in Andre Galvon or how do you think that's that pays in the time of the confront

that's accumulated of this relationship I don't know I can say how it's how it started this bronco I remember I remember when if

was the way how it came this bronch I remember that Gordon Ryan was fantasized of a rey for some place

andre galvan was saying that the Gordon Ryan was fantasied of Andreavon so he came the redire Garvon is my

I love Andreavon Garvon too but I think he vacillow this phone, you know? And then, and then I don't know how it was

that's up to the top of the car but it looks like the Andre Gavoon was going to pay him, no see. It's that, you know, that's, you know,

they're talking to those back to-two I think the Gauderite had been to be confronted to other person and then they started

and so, I think the Andrew Galvon that came about him, there was a thing, and then he

gave him a tapone in then he's then he's erro de know then then I don't give a tap

to say a direct man no, the guy the time right but

but then it was it but it but I think it pays this this part of

this part of it's not we're accustomed with a battle with with these with these

with these locoora in the life of life of until more

the galvan it pays nothing. Calvon will get to super, hyper-preparated

and if the Gordon will have prepared, he's going to get ridden. I know the Gorn

is the favorite, but Paul, Paul, but Galvon, car, the Galvon is fair, I

think he is a competitor of ADCC phenomenal. For me, the best questionable,

the question of the guy, the question. For me, the point of view,

I'm saying, the point of view, the The best competitor. Competor, is the goal of the moment. With the same thing,

the car was the car. The car was in the last few years, it's a sacanage, man. So, we're just. It's anxious for this and anxious for your little to do with pen, then.

No, but I'm, bar, de carot. It's too, I'm going to do the interviewer, no, I'm going to give you, man. We're just,

we're good, thank you. Thank you very much for the visit here in the podcast, man. Good luck in this construction

of the academy and, with, with the success. And I'll see you're trying, either in the box, or in the Jiu-Gitz, we're going to be

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