MMA Fighting - Trocação Franca | Joinha fala de Glover x Prochazka, Anderson, Poatan, e mais

Episode Date: June 8, 2022

Glover Teixeira defende o cinturão dos meio-pesados do UFC neste sábado contra Jiri Prochazka na Singapura, e o Trocação Franca recebe o empresário Jorge Guimarães “Joinha”, que acompanhou a carreira do lutador desde os tempos em que ele era proibido de entrar nos Estados Unidos. Na entrevista, “Joinha” fala do sucesso do atleta e atualiza a situação de outros clientes. O podcast conversa ainda com o jornalista Cesar Augusto, um apaixonado por lutas que fez parte de coberturas históricas do UFC na TV Globo, como a primeira transmissão de Galvão Bueno e a fratura da perna de Anderson Silva. O melhor do MMA brasileiro no Trocação Franca, toda quarta-feira, com o jornalista Guilherme Cruz e convidados. With Glover Teixeira defending the UFC title Saturday against Jiri Prochazka, Trocação Franca welcomes in Jorge Guimarães, who's managed Teixeira's career since before the champ was allowed back into the United States. Guimarães discusses Teixeira’s success and gives an update on what’s next for several other MMA fighters. We also chat with veteran journalist Cesar Augusto, who's covered some of the most historic UFC moments to ever air on Globo TV in Brazil. Listen to Trocação Franca with Guilherme Cruz every Wednesday to hear from the biggest names on the hottest topics in the Brazilian combat sports world. Follow Guilherme Cruz @Guicruzzz Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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welcome to 4thesme episode of podcast Trocaation Franca, a sua case about the smearer I'm in this immense podasferra. I'm Gailam-Cruis,

correspondent of the American M.M.A. in Brazil, and I'm sorry on the company of George Gimaranz, the legendary Joina,

impresar of M.A. But, before I'm going to talk with the manager of the Zahoga, Kliuja, but before Seneca,

but before the manager of the GERNNNN. But I'm sorry, that's a sabbado in Singapore against I get him to Raskar, we'll have to bathe with with a journalist

Cesar Augusto, to whom I've the pleasure to personally in one of my many of the many of course international. If you,

a friend, I used to watch and accompany the sports on the TV Globo or the journalism in general of the global all along of the last

years, it's very improbable that you don't have seen the face of the last the lastelating in various of

the excellent material. Good good to be here. Beleasing, or 20s, more very,

no, with the same people. This is the the people have he like he was 15 years,

17 years probably probably probably, ask a question, and he will be there that's a

great, so the things for there, a present to receive here in the podcast. Thank you

for your work of your job there. Felizant to be here, Guy, thank you

thank you thank you what we're we've said I mean you you've you've seen personally

like a I think it was the UFC I think it was a matchita with the Yotot with John Jones who didn't last went to

back to Brazil with Minotaro getting up by John Jones but how is it how it was the same your contact with

an M.M.A. You are a journalist that could cover sports for a globe and all not was a

reporter of MMA but it was it would be in your collar sometimes and when these coverters

of MMA how with sports. I was in the United I was in the first sport that I did I adore the sport of contact with

the sport of contours. In general I always I always used I did Jiu-Gitzo now I'm pared because I was with a

legiontable that I'm churgett but in the time that the Globo the UFC came to going to there to be over

back to go to popularized in the Brazil with a radio TV it was before before the Globe

the of the only had to have a repercussion a little major. And so, what did you

would say, I'd say well, I'm talking about the Brazil, I'm living in California, and what

did you had a little bit of the global that didn't go back, so for this,

even had had been the lot of box in the global, that did Tyson and

and all, I'm, and I also, I also had worked

in the box, and with the success the UFC on the TV,

the Globe, the whole the aisle the lot of the world,

to the globe through the UFC. And I was there was a California, then I'm

invited to to come back to cover the UFC there in the States which now,

very, very well, by the she's in Los Angeles. But that was the first I

don't me I'm the first the first the first thing was the

was the Cigano when he got the title and And, in Los Angeles,

if I I don't me was in Los Angeles and I'm there, I'm there's a lot and then I

always liked and I said I'm like, I'm like, I'm sorry the invite and I toped in the hour

and then I came doing various and stuff I've been a time there's a time in

the website. How is your work, when a we're doing a media specific at M.A. we have, we have, we

do we have a, we have a, for example, she has a work for combat, so she, the public

of the public that is the public who know what is being called on you, you know, the guy

of the globe, you have to have a, a vision different, a angle, because you were talking

about the FC for the people, that was many people, you know, so it was

a challenge to turn that product, a product interesting for who not

the fan of the MMEA how it was the work in the way of the way of the person who's

having to find these angles these, these, these, these, these, this is the

more interesting for who not were the public Alvincina. And you know what is interesting this?

Because it's an exercise that you do you do you are always, you're always you look

something different to attract a public new, to, a, we're trying, to attract

the donor of house, who know what you are talking. I'll tell a case interesting of

of a lot of Victor with the Vittor with John Jones, that I not covered, but I was watching with

the other people, do you see, the other stuff, that's what when the

guy, I got the hand out of the same, I got the hand the hand, I'm

getting the what's going to me, like, what's there, I said, like, I'm saying,

and, like, the people don't understand the that I imagine,

so, not a thing, and it's a very, it's a little, it's really, really in the line, of,

to attract a public new and pass to be ridicule, because at least you try this public new, and I'm looking a boardage and

it's being a little ridiculous, a, a, a, a, thing you do, a, a thing,

you know, I think it's, it's a exercise interesting, this, to be looking this, this,

this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this,

this, this, this, most on the side a little more human, trying to look some thing different,

but I always have this good. I think there people who can't be a lot more a risk

very big. I had this good, I think you have to respect the sport. In the fact,

you know, for more that you have to attract a public new, the sport needs to be

respected not, it can be a palaçada and do do anything in the

audience, this new public. But it I don't have a formula I'm I'm sure

that in my coverture like not was a guy specialised in UFC in just in this type

of coverture there was a friend me who said we're going to be a man to be a well

but go no, nothing, nothing nothing under and it's all right

but you all right all you all you you're all you you navigating

all the all the but it's more than the moment different of the sport because I remember

that I remember before I'm obviously, before I'm going to to work with the cleatheur when it was it was all right

it was like to show that the guy not an animal let me let me present the guy in the great

book when when I was when I was when I'm a human normal he not a human normal he not he's not

a animal that will be brigar in any we don't not this phase, not was this phase in 2011, 2012, but still had a lot of preconceit with the sport,

so the materials had to be able to present there, to, bring the model of the athlete, for that people of the case, understand, you know? You say, I think it's really much. I, like, I, like, I consider, I, I'm not currently, but I'm consider a practicant of Jiu-SITS, is a thing that me

comodda much, for example, at a little, sometimes, there's a break, of transit, and it's always, like, a lot, and you're always, you're give a look at this, man, never I've never heard of this guy, let me hear, no, the guy, it's a façah black of jiu-jitsu. No, he's not a lot-

dog-dhist. The guy, he's not, so, I think that even there's a preconceit much great with the looters, and it's what you said, even when I came to, it was much this to humanize, so I remember of a matter that I did, like, I put it, put it when I was met him to know what I

knew, with his wife, with his children, the kind of the child, the the proper Cigano and and it's and it's interesting because there many of them

that you're going to talk about the dostura of these guys is a thing interesting if you want to tell for who just

see the man it's a pats of that you know the Cigano and the Cigano and the guy are

very are very very doces man even in the lot the lot that I

remember I say that in my my head the guy the guy that most control

a lot of all of them, because that he bat, that he see that he works, he's,

that he's, he's, he's, the role of the guy, is a thing is an thing,

and then you see this side, so you know, you know, and you, it's,

it's, being interesting. What was the matter that you most was the story that you

most the story that's , you know, of the UFC, like, it was markant,

the, the, the, the, the Cigano, was very great, because,

even because, I think, like, the sport, when the sport grows, the obstacles

for you get, the part of the athlete, they're so, so,

so, the, I, it's to mark with a fullan, and when

comes, it's a thing, it's a much more more more

, with a guy on the day the day of the you are batting a man

with a lot of the whole, like to goemortar with a whole so the

so the was a was very interesting to tell this this with one

and other was good there some there some some I'm

on the Victor knows he's working really this this

lot of marketing he He, he, he's a man extremely professional, a guy who

a guy who, so he, then he did some things with him, and not it was legal to tell,

but certainly was the most me did the work, was the when the Anderson

was the one, you don't go to because, pshaw the way, not,

not a good, you're not not a good, but, with the the coverture

that most me did the time. It's a moment historical, you're there,

you're not, you, probably you're not, probably you're never, you're not going to go to hospital and accompany, how it was this week? And it's a doodier because it's the thing,

I mean, when I go ahead, I'm, like, I never, never think in conciliing a voyage of leisure with a voyage of work. But in this, there was an UFC

of the final of the year, so it was, so it was a natal, and we'd have passed the natal in a station that's that the side of Las Vegas.

I said to my woman, I said I'm going to I was, I'm in her, the subrino she was with her we're going to go to Las Vegas

I'm going to go to Las Vegas so we're going to for the fantastic and we go to the car when he

got to he now and then I'm car and now you're just just put so on the

and it's so it was so it was so it was like you said like you

don't I don't I don't I'm then it's because then it's a truceo a thing you don't

feel in a cobertura you can't to see when it's all-vive in the good day Brazil and

the journal globe and it's one person there was I'm a I'm just thank God there was a

lot of a lot of a lot that was now in the global even that is

the chef there in the globe who he's the friendo my

my was my cinematbrist so, so, I was with a team complete-in-all, it was a lot, but it was in a night in the hospital,

then the guy went to go to the phone, and conversed to Brazil for the phone the time to do, so, you can't be there, one hour,

if you want to do to do something, to get to the car to work, to get to, and get, to get an unjust, at a reason,

sometimes we're in some journalist, some report, and say, oh, fulano, look, what he said,

he said, he said, it's disuman, it, it's a thing, it's a thing, it's a to do it to do other

way, but it's going to be made, but it's a bit difficult. And then the despero was that he had combined everything, and he said, oh,

not, not go, not going to do that here, say, when, go right to, he's going to

go to the in Los Angeles, and then will see, and so what, but not say here, not will say

there, no, not say, no, the next month, so, oh, you go to Los Angeles,

and you're going to do a planton in the house of his. Caraca. How is I I'm going to say to my wife?

Go, say, oh, go to pass a Natal so-Sosolson and all and go to Los Angeles, to find, knowing that the guy not going to say, not that he was a little professional and he wanted to pass

a Natal, not is it, but the guy, but the guy not the other, in this moment, though to be a journalist, I think the journalist, kind of, you have a obligation to be chatt, I also, I always

have a dilemma, so with me, although to admire the journalism, that in these moments, I think you need to respect the person, you need to respect

the advantage of the person. Not in the name of the journalist, you can't be chained the car the day entire. So,

then it was the first I came to my chef, and he, he's not to go, he's not, he's not,

I don't know, to say, to go to the Los Angeles, to be four days in a front of the car,

doing nothing, doing information none, saying that's saying that no talking that's saying, and then

I came in to go, doing the right, to pass on Natal. This me remember that was at the same time that the Chumacher

suffered the accident, I think it was some days after the shooting of his his accident of his and I

go to you know, that I'm going to say, I'm a man, you know, because it's

the same, the woman of Chumacher she, she creates a cavalo and does a

competition that I don't even me remember the name of how that

that that was, that that the coroner, the woman, was with the cabalas of her in Oklahoma. And I and Rodrigo, this guy that was with me, that was with

him, in Anderson-Silver, we went to Oklahoma to do and to show him to show me to help to divulgar this prova and these cavals of Corina. And we did a interview with him, and it was the last

interview we did before the accident. I think that we were the ultimate. of Brazil, with absolutely, I was the last to talk with him. The world, if not was the

last, was one of the last of him before, but it was in the same way before I remember, you know,

when you were in a place to get camped in front, the family of his family was, obviously, the press, everyone

went there in front the house of he was in the Swiss, where he was where he was and it was, and it was,

man, he said, you don't end you're here, we don't want to to-actualizing you, you're going to spending time of

you're not getting to be able to you're in front of you. We'll never don't want to get here. We're here a time and not

they're talking and they're not going to be able to and they're so they're not, not don't know an optimization

about the state of the state of this is a doubt, but there's a moment that you have to

stop and pass car and it's it's this yeah it's the man of the

family it's not it's not you can't do you No, this will be like, oh, now,

I'll pick a drone, I'm going to make a picture to see a car, to see a car, the family, no, can't, you know, it's going to

do you, you know, it's very difficult, man, I think you going to be envelecending, you know, you're thinking more in this. I think too

in this, and I think that this peoror-much with the internet, with the velocity of information, this peororororough

because, even the celebrities, they've an identity, a new identity, but you're a personage in the internet, and you have a life out of there. But the people, they're not even there, that you have a life out of the internet that I'm going to malay, and so,

it happened, many times to happen, like, to someone say, about something, about work, or about anything, and I enter in contact, and I was, like, I did a program when I was I was in the States United, to the global international, I and my

woman, we were, we were in a program, and one of the man, like, I'm gonna be

like, I'm gonna be to get to whatever, there's a lot, there's a there, I'm gonna be there

so, so, but what's, there's, that's that's, there's, there's a

thing, there's a point, no, there's a time, so, I'm,

when, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

I'm, chef, for we we're going to, I'm sorry, my, thank you, thank you, so you

don't do you don't go to work, not because, you're a person, you're a badgain, and I'm

not here, so I'm simply don't know, I just don't know that's being that's been me know,

and then it's, obviously, the covertures most markants you said, the case of the annes,

but what stories you think it's that you've felt to talk, that you have wanted

to tell and not had the opportunity? You know, you know, who's going to to fight this week?

I never, I think I never, no it's never never, I never did the value. But in the publicers,

it's never caled he had so much value in the covertures for not the lot of the world, but the

Glover, man, Glover has a story a, poor, yeah, got told,

it's obvious, but it's a guy that, I've been a little contact with him, it's a

guy that I think, that I that it was like, to have more a disdack it's a

thing, and not the TV Globe, I think it's, that's, that's, it's a general,

it's a thing, if you, if you're not very specialized, you expect that

person, like, to, take the success, to give, attention that she

was a much before to be a thing, so, it was being

kind of I'm me felt, I was I saw, boy, I saw this guy here, every time he was sitting,

nobody was going to say. Disponive, there was going to be to get to be in the bank and nobody. And now that the guy is in the boat, that the guy

got to go out of a mountain of Everest, and then you get in the boat. I'm going to come back, let's talk about and you need to be a lot. The story of him

is phenomenal, I remember that when I when I came to Coble the Post, he had had had to come to Brazil, to start a saga to

to be able to get to get and it's a interesting. The Glover that you said it is a great name of sport

and a great starla in Brazil, but he grabbed with me the podcast that was the second episode was with him

when I finally I finally could be that he had he had the story of all the

time of an hour of interview with him talking all through the travel to Mexico and

and I had made a interview with a one way trying portar this

issue, and he gave a response short as there, no, no, not, not,

no, not, not, he was very un- uncomfortable, even, yeah.

Tant's many, many years in the United, the guy got a a security,

for, for, if I did, I'm going to be expuls of it,

and I, yeah, and I think, also, it's a real traumatic, it's, it's a

problem, it's, and the story of the story of the interview, the interview

with him, if not is the episodes most the episodes more the most the podcast

more than he's Mr. Grace, more than he's so he's the story of the car

is cativant even right and he is a guy very good good boy I've got I think he

is a guy a guy I think he he's 100% so like but how many times you say but

sometimes you talk about with him one way the DMMA I'm I think he I think he

too joy but you say but you but you're a friend He's not, I'm a friend he's not, he doesn't know know who I'm supposed.

One way we're saying a little bit of we're trying a idea and all, I'm like, but what's, what's a guy, what I'm, what I'm,

po, it's a other that I think, maybe, one of the guys of the M.A. The guy, the guy, converses in the resume,

hours, that the guy, is intelligent, a guy, a guy, a, kind of, a guy who can't

talk, to be conversing with him. Exactly. You said, you said, you know, to,

to, to, I think, so, it's a complex, because, for example, the Lutador A, estreo in the UFC today, and he has an story incredible.

A story, poor, pica, of life, you're going to do, do you, for example, who's worked for a vehicle American, then, I peggo this guy Brazilian,

who came to the interior, the Acri, there's a story incredible, I go there, interview him, he,

interviewed him, he, interview him, interview him, interview him, the prime, the first, the first, trainer,

and then I do a matter is gigantic that I gave a job a great guy for a star for a star

this matter she will have a pingo of access, a pinnbo so what I generally

do you have the stories that I'd would like I would like this is the global

like the story of Zeyaldo and then I'm a a case different because he's just a new

he's a different because I know I want this story but I I want this I want this

this guy will have the maximum of holofort in him to that the story to be led for more people

and valorize for example Raphael of the Ange there's a story of mania also I'm a great way to find a Gregor

the same way the world the globe was when he was when he was to disputing against

the Blahovitz so the when the guy is the champion the guy has a champion the guy has

been a great opportunity everybody everyone wants to know so everyone so this

moment to pick and to make for me it is what I custom do, like to tell

the story to the car, because, once the chance of the same people is very small for the story. It's a treant in the UFC, and it would have been unjust with a guy, because, oh,

they're just saying, I'm going to dispute the symptom. Exactly. It's a complex, right? It's a demand and offer. You're saying,

but I'm, I'm describing a story here, but the leitor can read this here now? He's important with this in car, and I'm

and I'm really to my woman. I bring with her, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't,

I don't, journalist. I'm I feel a contador of stories. So, like, that's a chat, the chate, who has to investigate,

that has to denunciate, I don't, I don't me feel good. I don't think legal, no way. I'm going to this story. So I'm so

I'm so I'm so I'm a passioned for this, because I think there's a story legal, there's a story of superation,

of discipline, it's a lot one of one of my one of it, it's, it's a peccable not

remember who who said that's much, we're talking the public Brazilian, the people are

saying that the difference of the not a person to the lot of an American, or more to

the lot, the guy gained, the interview the American, I did a camp

good, I did the conditions, my my alimentation, I'm working, I'm,

so-and- whatever, I'm trying control all, the fuland me

helped you know, I'm the way, the best of the Brazilian I'm going to buy a

house to my mom I'm going I'm finally going to get a this car this car

had to get to gain it's it's it's it's it's it's

he's not a both in the both the other sports so it's

so it's a thing really great so this this this for this for

this for you can't know I'm like, all these, all these guys, it's a soni-door, it's a,

it's a, he's a, he's a, he's, he's, he's, he's, this is really

great, man, it's really great, I don't know this, I don't know this, so, so I'm a

little, and I inch the sack of him, car, I, we, I, I,

train, and, and, I, we know, he, he, go, on the other than the

I'm going to be, oh, I'm like, I can't, I said, I never saw, I never see, never see, a guy, a guy, got to get a title, the guy, to be elected, and in a discourse of him, I said, I'd like, I'd like to my dad, that me gave a mercedes when I

did 18 years, I never I never heard, car. So, this is very legal, car, this is, in the sport has very of this, this me can't in the sport, it's a one, one thing that I love. And you know, and you

think that this story incredible of the Glover continues, after Saturday? You think he continued as a champion against the pro-hasker? Yeah, more a once is, the guy, he's a zebra,

yeah? Normal, yeah. The guy, if he put to with a mininie of five years, the mininia of five years,

is a favorite in his life. It's an interesting. But, but, I, I, I, I believe

on him, I think, the globe, he has a more there, I think, the only thing, that I think

that I think that not can, this, I'm going to have been better to be absolutely the lot

I think there's a lot of I think there's I think of I'm still I'm trying to an end-as a defect of the

military but maybe it's to be of the world for example in Demi Maya of the when he

enter in a little bit of when he never now what was but trying for a trocaation

in-pe car is genial in the car is absurd superior in the ground. For what you you're going to try to go

in the world? So, like I think of the glover the guy, Jiu-jit's the guy is absurd man, he gets

waiting, and see what happens, didn't, don't try, do you know, try, do you,

know, it's like, you know, it's like, you're going to get there, even more than you're

a person, a problem a previsible a block in a rod, the end, the impisibility

the Exactly, exactly. And it's a person, it's a man, it's not no,

no, it's not it's not the glover to be very d'n't, but I think there's

great chance. And at the same night, we have this chance of a story

incredible to be told in those stories with a pregated a pegat a pegada and

a time, and a Tala Santa Gagnena because it's a lot

that people don't know a chance to Tila The Valentina is spectacular, the champion. It's, of course, it's, and she's, like, how a Valentina will gain,

so if the Tarla can't win, in si, is a fact historical, because, unfortunately, the Tyler, she has a posture to not want to, like,

to be in the story of her, not, an athlete who really, that's a lot, so I'm going to play with her, because the public

Brazilian, who would be on the side of her , This Brazilian who's like to be a tuitant a centauron, now? Now she's a woman

that's a woman that's going to go to the way, it's the chance of her and it's a chance to her, but it's

it's not about it, but other sports no way, but just when I worked in South Paulo even,

I didn't have been to the US-O-N he'd be, he was, he'd be in this, he was

I'd know, I'm I'm in And then I called him to I said, I said, I said, you know, you know,

you know, you know, you don't you can't get in a club grand, and pin up the nose and

don't talk to your story, your story is legal. I'm saying, I'm sorry, I'm very so, you know,

I'm sorry, I said, no, po, my mom, and I'm, like, I'm,

I'm a teacher of a friend of my mom, and she, and she, I feel, well,

I'm, well, I'm, so, I don't do the interview, because I commit a lot of

a word of Portuguese. So, sometimes you see as a bit of this guy is this guy, you don't know what's the

thing you're in, that's what I'm that's what I'm, that's the person that you construct in a your head social or

for reportages and not, it doesn't correspond much to what it is, it's true, it's right, it's just for

to get to getting here this video, you know, man, so, of the UFC in the Globe

that helped to transform the sport to put in a level more than than it was before the

whole of the whole of the radio was very important in this first time when the globe not was

a global not the global cede to the Redd transmit the UFC Rio was a

success absurd and in this first UFC of the global had the there was

the guy the FC me as the FC may skanteed did the

Galvon Bueno in was another level, yeah. And I'm going to talk, man. Maybe he said to Galvon, I think the Galvon, probably he never had ever seen a lot

of MMA. So, so, and then the coordinator, who is the guy who could have done, he was not in the Globe, it was the Sidney Laguan.

The Sidney me said, the Galvon, I said, he was a guy, he, poor, he was, he was, he was, he was, Galvon Buena.

He got a cardinio, went to talk with a technician, to see, how is, how he he was what he was the goal, and what's the and how is the

lot in the same, how is the how is the law, how is the he studied, that you don't have noceau to what he

did he's doing that he's put in I don't know me can't have been a bad steer or one other

lesteer, but it was a thing, a study, a lot of getting all allotted it,

it was like it was it was a child, to be able to make that work that he

was a galvon the guy, he is very good, he's a good, he's

a guy, he's a time very perfect. So, so he just he just knew that

that he's he's a guy not a guy, he's a story on television. So he

was really prepared to do that that's really great, so it has been a mark

the gladiators of the third millennium and it's it's it's

it's it and you know in a narration The Zonnes, some years

after, yeah, I I was, it was, it was it was, I did, I did, I did,

I'd, I'd, I'd say a tennis feminine in channel Sony. I did two

two years of WPA, and then, and then, the Zon there, I'm in the United,

I'm, I'm in Europe, in Portugal, but in the States, when I was when I was

there was the States, had some tournees of tennis and me called to narrate the tennis. And, and I started to narrate because I had used to play, because I knew

tennis, I had played, like, but I was more more tranquil and all. Then I'd have a lot of box, and then the coordinator of the Zonnes there was, you know, I was, you know, you know, some narrate?

I'm, I'm, car, I'm, oh, but you narrate tennis. I said more of lute than to do tennis, you're talking to do you, you're doing, for then I'm my tennies I have

I have to me to force a lot I'm gonna do my life I'm gonna do some of the zone of tennis

I did the poe I did the puttan in Maitai there and I'm I'm gonna

some of those how I'm gonna see the how'd be the yeah I'm gonna you say I'm gonna

when Inair the when I'm the last I didn't have the Pappo he to I see the I said,

well, this guy in an UFC, but or you take him to the floor and does something to do or not have any chance

to do you know, it's an absurd, that's an time, that's those guys, it's a lot the thing,

the time the time that the people are back, and the time that people are in the thing absurd, man. So it's

a, it's a guy that, I think will do work, it's a time. And the

we'd just be to be the night of MMA, then? Oh, car, imagine. It would be very cool, I'd be a lot of, yeah, I'd be a-a-a-a-a-d-a-d-a-a-de-reire, because I'd have been maybe discovering the narration

tard, you know, I always was a reporter, and, por, narration, now, not a time, so, I thought it was a great, because it's a chance,

I think the reporter has to be sure much, you have to pass the emotion, but you, I, even, I, I hate these things

of reporters, that's all right, I want to make a reporter, and the reporter, and then are, ah, it's beautiful,

to humanize, car, we have to humanize nothing to be about what's happening. What's going, it's true? It's true,

but it's not it's not legal, so I have much this. And I think the narrator has a one way that's different,

that not the reporter. The Galvan says this, you know, you know, you live the emotion,

you know, you level the public of you and so, So, so it was a experience different, that I've cuted a lot, po, MMA, general,

any, any sport of combat, I, I narrate box, but I did the fight, so, so it's a lot, so it's a lot, so,

this is very legal, let's be, let's be what the life guard for us. It's, I'm just, I'm going to see,

you'll find out in these covertures of MMA, it's always, but, don't go to be able to

know, Oh, it would be ath simple. Look, I'd say that I'd say that I'd I'd like a lot of, but it would be a bit of Paris, we don't have recusal never, no. No, nothing.

There's even a T. It's all the UFC. It's good. Thank you, for the company, for the pap, it's always going to continue, my meal. Very joy.

Thank you very much for the convict. I'd love. A-brace, a little bit of everyone. And the podcast continues with a interview with a jollina

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The guy simply was in Bali, surfando, today, and now it's in Singapore to have one of the last hardas for the Brazil in the year. How are the things for there, my friend, my friend,

my name, my name, the podcast. Oh, very great, my mom, a pleasure enormous. Well, yeah, the Gover

came here a six days back, but here the thing is very my mom here the day of the

hotel, 5, prattas prattas for night. I resolved do a pull there in Bali

did a sub for me adapt to I'm adapt to dozorari and now the the luta

continued. He made this effort to get to that yeah exactly

but poor there, man man my mom the loo no the

time never but what what what the the place more surreal that you

have been, thanks a Luther? I'll go you're going to my man. I don't know I'm not I'm

very impressed with Roma I went to go to Belator and it was really incredible I just I'm in Slovenia

and the proper Russa San Petersburg when the Peter loted with Fedor

look at the time it was I, Peter, Glover and Mark Boas it was

was, you know, in the White Night, that's just only one hour-in-day- to say, it was incredible, really, not to reclamar,

not, no, there's a, there's a lot of, if you're gonna know, if you're there, no, no, the fact,

I'm sure, I'm satisfied, Marte, who know, who knows, who know the day, you go there, you go to,

the Don't, the, the Lowe-Lenusk, the, I don't, see-la. Well, now you're in now,

to accompany the Glover in this a lot important in a career in the career in the defense of the countering to

how is your time? You know, how you're going to be a year's before this defense of the central? My heart is

what I repeat always, I mean, my my my heart my heart my heart

emotions, no, the Glover is a poor, a guy, super-kirido, a example to be a single to be.

But it's a very very well, that's a story, right, my heart of lion, the guy, is, por, he's focused,

yeah, porre, there's a, man, he's he's doing, and today, he's got to even stressed,

and, for it's six hours direct, you know, and, poor, yeah, I don't know

I'm saying I'm going to come on the face-offs there, and, po, it's intense, you know,

for the two. After the Facebook, the jury did a get a respiration because it was intense. I sentia the tension. But, but the expectations are

enormous, it's an event that it's a lot here in this side of the Asia, and I think it was a success absolute. For the Glover, it

was being a new because the plan original was to do the luther was taking the house of his, he put the other side of the world, Yes. It's the time.

It's the time. It's the time. No, no, no, no. No, no. But the two, the jury was here in Thailand, the Glover, also,

came more sooner. And it's that I don't have to do it. Yeah. The Glover, poor,

is a different, more experienced than the, who's, you know, who's a very rode-ed, yeah,

passed to the Japan, was, was, he came to the RAS and and all, but the Glover has

more experience, yeah, He confronted guys better than he along the career, John John, and everything. As you know,

but as well, he's seen as a man in the boss of postures, like you are for the other view what the global has passed

the career entire and even being so be un-credited or not. It's impressive was I am Coutelab

B, Nikita Krelov what he's more Anthony Smith, Tiago Tiago Marietta poor the proper

Guam Blanco Verde and now the pro-hastka is I think almost that, it's two to one, you know, it's not,

he's not the first and he always always knows for it, I mean, I, I'm, I'm very, the Glover, the Glover,

has a, it's a lot, this guy, this, man, is, you know, it's a,

crossissim, is a guy that has an style non-orthodox, he, porra, that is,

a, A guy is difficult to be to fight in our Glovon. And for who likes to do a fezzan it's great

that the globe is I'm like a chance of the people are more more than yeah, exactly

but I don't think a post interesting when it's two to one so it's been a margin to get to

get a right so not you're going to do you do that it's

it's right I'm not this to post to do a matter. You're a a guy

to put in into, you're going to not so, not so, it's impressive interesting, you know,

William, that I go, a many years, I've been, I'm no,

no, a quarter of dollars in that that's a lot of machine, I think,

I don't know, I don't know if it's me it's a respect, I'm,

and, poor, it, it's a thing, poor, understand, the game of Azel, I'm out of

I'm out. You make a type of different of a post, you know, you're apostant, who, invest, he's, you know, like the first of the career, like, in the first of the career of his, it was,

very well, when he was, when he was gonna enter in the States and the state on the side of his that moment, it was a post,

because it's a carria of his, career of his, could end, that was, the thing was difficult, man,

it was very difficult, There was, all the merit of Ingris, of his wife he did, he did what he did, and he did, I don't

have the credit, but but, without, I always always, I always, the Peter that me cobra, he said, my, man, I, I, I'll tell, the same thing, the whole thing, he said, I'm going to be

champion, man, I'm, I'm talking, I'm talking the same thing, that I did spade. That's what I was going to be a champion. And, oh, it's going to be. We'll have to say to Raleigh, but in this moment of the career of the Glover,

that he could enter in the States United, you know, you said, you know, oh, fuck, if I'm going to do do you, go ahead, in other places, get in events minor, to gain a year here,

then I'll continue doing other thing in life even, that not be M. Yeah, that the world was inalcancasable for him. No, novue. No, no.

No, no. No. He thinks in everything, but he he's he's still active in in Brazil,

thanks a God, roll over various events in the time, and he was always

super occupied there, putting victories, and putting victories, and finally

came to the major event of the world. Yeah, and on the Saturday,

on Monday of morning, in the morning, how much, how you how you think you

think he termin the service, but you think he gains a lot counter for Rask? I think that's that all the story all can't happen. The Glover

is using the fintas, you know, it's, porre, terminate, I think he , de

repent, he entered a, a ganch of the one, that will be the

way, to a finalization. Manier, mano, and, and, and, and,

today, it's difficult to talk the global and then to trazzar the parallel to a comrade of his, who's also as a company that's doing a lot of the FC,

that's a lot of in the division of bashed in the Pesumet. It's a lot marked against the chance triclin, which is a moment that can also have a little dispute

of a centuron, if he passes by the chance fickling. No, no, no. This then is it's all formated. This martel

just was batted, who's martel was and the Alex will confront who wins the Jared Kenoneer with Easy The Royal

he's not been in the He's got he's got caught that's I'm I'm sure I'm

I'm sure Manier Mano How can't you can't see this success Not was a

part of a matter of because we just I imagine yeah yeah even when he

had been after he after he did the story of Addxx he had been seen

the guy two times. Bastable there was two three victories that you

just were in the colo no, no, no novety but

there was a process there, the question contractual of him with glory the

the my relationship with CEO with the manager,

with the event helped it facilitated and you understand

nobody nobody nobody I didn't clear that the

boy the son of the sono was ingren a career in an MMA,

an idea, a dream personal, they were a thing, it was a, it was, it was a,

poor, was a, and we, we're trying to the door of front, I mean, it was,

it was, it was incredible, and, and, and, and, I, I had architected

this plan, I, I, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was,

it's, for incredible it seems, because many people, I didn't want to with Potan For the only

those 12 luthers negating the I mean Lutas that would be interesting We don't want

A lot particularly in this initial of career It was very important to architecting the plan

you see He will do you will make a third Lota and P-Venceing

he can be able PUTA PITO It's a Sornando reality It's

interesting The the destiny that you, during years, was an employer of the champion of the Medes of the FC, and you can return to be an employee. Ah, exactly.

No, no, it's a matter, I, I'm sorry, I brought the Poitaine to the Coatan just to the camp of the Anderson, when he went to confront the

Yadessania there in Melbourne, in Australia, because he had been so in fronted we'd have been to him, we're left, to him

to put him, to, not just, to help the Anderson therein no Sparring technically but you know

to see porra gave a stremecida like the like a man he looks to look at

this car man man is that we're that we can't that's what we can but you this

this is the last of the adesani yeah because of various atletters recusary

infreted you had lived a situation like that's like a company,

because you would have a business for a time, you have seen a situation of a situation of

a person, you know, I'm not a situation for the person, because nobody can see.

No, so, never. So, Anderson had a phase this,

you know, Liotto also, now, the, I mean, the, Anderson,

I mean, who, no, he, who, not anyone, you want to

try, for you a, the guy is made practically quinas, you will, you will do you

do that's, you'll do you'll look to a guy that's a finalizer, you say, poe,

poe, poe, patience, the guy may finalized, now, but you put him, anlex,

with a pan, with a pan, a pan, with a pan, with an old kick, with that

that's that's, you know, that's a fact, you're exactly, no minimum, no,

boy, will man, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, Now, this form, I feel impressionable.

And were, and were great names, you know, I mean, there was a time that I, I took to appeal , you know? You know?

To talk with the patron. You think that's that's, you have to fur a filer, to get more? Sure. Sure, all right. It's not,

allude, no, allude. In fact of he had beenced Adesani two At times, that was the, you know, was the,

there was the point principal, there, this, this, this, this, I was,

when you were, this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy, nobody

took, nobody, don't, but you get the top-sil, but, you know, the,

we, we, we, we, we, we, , put,

people, many, people, negant, say, no, no, interesting,

what I have to gain I mean, but then you go to get to get to the top the pyramid, you know,

the people are obligated to accept a lot for the Shuntrinklin is a super interesting, a man,

poor, durissome, a man, irreverent, falastrown, porra, corraggoso and I think

will be a great lot. And all all this just was kind of armed

the two lot on the night, I mean, I think I think the story narrative is a problem

right, I'm sure exactly, just taking a body, right, and talking to Anderson,

how is it is to see the success that he's being he's having today, he's a

car, the side of a little a little a form that he was made,

he was he got with the form that's being treated by the F.

Of course. And He was going to be He was going to He was going to be he was a He was a lot of I'm very happy

with this success I'm just a guy he's super talentos a carism incredible there's and he's going

he's going he's going he's he's he said I'm going to I'm I'm going

and I want to and who are who who are to say to Anderson

that's the hour of him to understand I'm I'm not

this person I think he he's he he's porr, it's

there's showing that he's he still, he's a little

a piece of not have seen see the he's the end of

him he's how he did he did do that he was a

other time, there was some there's those questions contract and

there had even a penimba there there the box the

position athletic then, it's and it's it, and as you said

the man, the despidida was a because not it not it's not the

but you're but you see, poor, the one of all of the

times, you know, so when you didn't, you know, there, no,

in the A. Pax that I think sensational I, I think a,

a arena incredible, you know, but but, so, without public, you,

he's entering with that music, porra, end up, and, poor, with 28

people in the arena, I mean, I think, it was, but, I don't have to do it.

It's just, but the good that he's having a bit of doing a beautiful, no boss,

no, went to the world, for the world, he went, to try the Titor-Tis,

went to Dubai, to do you a lot for the shakes, like, but it was time. It was the way. It was hard

even than what did you have in the NBA, to realize the dream of the role of box, yeah, and the

bulls just in the sunbrough, but he he can be to be to be contrary a,

he'll be contrarial and say, I'm not I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. The word

was a guy was a very important to popularize the FC in that moment of the war

there was various champions in that moment but for, Onison was,

ineagably, the major name of them of the other credit of the combat the global, the platform

group, to be able to help the UFC to be a part of a gigante here, and now

now, it's in a cross-iliated of the UFC and global, the contract of their

end of the end of the end, and you're a guy that's been in the combat,

you've had your program there and how it for you, a kind of

you market of the MMA in Brazil, the FC in the Brazil, Globo, Combat, what is your opinion, you think, for the UFC, it's better to renewing with the globe and continue, use the following this platform, even

not transmit more in the globe, and in the sport, I do it, as it was done before, as it was made before, or maybe it's a moment of explore, how we're thinking, to do make a fight-past in the Brazil, in this era more streaming in we're living today.

Yeah, no, no, no, it's a option, you know, that they had a time time

after. But then there was a accord, the, with a great, was a great

a great a great, particularly in the time, with the colo, the,

put, with the lavancke the globe has, the proposal was to

put the proposal was the old mate fighters in the global, no,

the channel open, just to promote the event, it's saying, it was incredible there,

but I think there's a certain moment there, they're just thinking, they're saying, po,

what I'm going to divide revenue? I'm talking here, I don't say, but it's what,

you know, what, you know, the negotiation in- but how you imagine that it's

happening? It's rolanders, But we're, let's suppose that he's a half a half, 50% for each one,

why he will divide a money that he can put all in the bolso, particularly now, they're not using this alvanca of the

red globe, and the UFC is the UFC, I think, if, if happened, if it's actually the UFC

not renovate with the globe, I think, poor, it could say until that the combat to get at the end. This is really very very very sad,

especially for me. This then I did part of my story, you know? The thing started on Sport TV, then was created a channel

for 100% luts, and, poor, get this, getting to the end, it would be very Tristan.

It would have an opportunity for them to be able to other events because now the local Cepa, can get the

Belton, it's a option in the market also, no idea, some doubt, some doubt,

there are many events there, they've there, they've passed even,

even, some other events, I also also, I don't see there clasules,

there, that had a certain event, you know, understand, exactly, exactly,

I mean, it's could be a good opportunity to explore the other side of

the other side of the world but no doubt the product the product the principal today

the prato principal is F. But you as you as a company of the BELto

could be an excellent opportunity to put those those those there's

no no no no no there no no there's no time important

is that the combat is that the combat is to there are other other other

other other things, I think it will do all right now it's

because it's the FIPAS has been a baggation has there,

there have various events I mean I mean I don't know how are

these these these negotiations you know future negotiations because

they're if you want, if you want if you want if you're going to you're

the United, you're going to to say, will have to have to have to have to a little with a lot

kind of a matter the combat to a certain form, but don't get to get to be still the end the end of

negotiation. Yeah, exactly. We'll try to know, the ideal that's not

that would continue to continue, to my view. At my view, but this all here,

it's up to them. Exactly. And we're about the other, you're saying in view

in Brazil, I think it's just it's a lot to do the world to do you do you

have a great names to sustain for a event for a year that's I'm not

pretty good not really there's much there's a lot yeah yeah

but it yeah but it is that's been architect and Lucas he's so close

I think the bell actor now I've I've a conversation

with Scott Coker recently and he said he said he said, I think I think that

do you, I think, for the four events per year in Brazil. Can't be a point of to be the

next a future, or I think no, no, I think not so soon so,

but who know, for the final of the year, I don't know. And how it's negotiations

there of the next adversaries, and Patricio, retomor the centuron there,

who's, who's, who can't know a conversation to be the next adversary? We're talking

in a rewant against the A.J. The Patricio not was but

it's a put it there's that Poole that Fulia Feele yeah

that the A.J. It's a little exitante it, it's that's

suffering a lot to Mara Lerbez he and it it could be that

it's up to the category to Patrick and the Patrick has a thing that's he was in a expectation of

to fight the decision or not he was recuperant or was repriming and so how is how it's the making

the makings there I think this this will happen in brief we

we have we just we just we just but the martel will be

batting in bread against the against the war. And the third champion that you had a Julianna Velas

had that had that situation lamentable in the against Karmuz would have entering with

a resource how is that this situation in what is that is it we're still we're still

the commission athletic there of the Avaia and with the under the under the

under the they're they're they're kind of this process but are studying

the Mike Beltran admitted the error the John McCarthy wrote, even saying that the Beltrane had recognized the error, but it's that story. For you, to revert you

a result, it's very difficult, we're here in the experience, of, of a chance, but, you know, it's that story. It's all over time. You know? I don't know.

But, but the revenge you say. It's a revoir. It's the way. And if move the result or not, I think the

just is to do a new a new lot. This is the most important, because there certain commissions atlas,

that if they were in Las Vegas, for example, no, the judge eros, a chance. A.

I think in Hawaii, there's more chances to move on the country, but we're, there,

there, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, an awesome, but that's that story.

It's difficult. It's complicated, really. And, de-volta, we're recently in the main event, the election Ervogov, yeah, getting the Jaez-Zinn, Rosenstruck.

It's a knockout fast, also came to have a discussion about the interruption of the habit, and the next is what? They think there

can't they have chances of again, there's a re-o- no, but it's a ball, that's it.

No, no, no, no, No, no, no, it's a lot that I was super confiant. I think the Rosenstruck no, he, he don't have volume

sufficient for the Volkov, you know, Volkov, you saw that he came there, he not respected, and the, there had been a protector, he had been riding

on the cost, there, just, I would be a little a little, I'm a little, yeah, I think,

I think, that's, that's, He's precipitored a little for a little before, but not it's a no fund

the Jaising I'd like that's it's right and talking to the person you know you're saying Renan

in the FL an excellent problem called Renan that's a problem that's oh, brilliant there was

there was a time a time last year last it ended unfortunately that he had

the launch of the Gverdum and that could advance to the playoffs but this year

has done the point of the initial with a foot right, gaining in 25 seconds, he's a

with a lot marked with the time of the end of the end up the same. I think he

will bring this will bring it will be a logic he has the champion of the year past I think

everything I think I'm I post in this final but I I put much a fair

in Renan this problem there really he is a giant, but he's a person normal.

The guy who does a guy of two meters that does a salt mortal with that a result that's

a guy he's just he's going to I mean I have a minute 93 I found with him in the RFA

here I was a different I'm difficult I'm trying to be more more than I

think he's more bad than I The guy is gigantic, but he's like, this guy, and it's a big, it's a tronco, yeah? And a more, man, man. The guy, is a man, a man, it's sensational. It's a good.

It's true. And the guy that you mentioned more than earlier, he, that was very well in the beginning of the career, you know, and he's got into the tropists, so many, right? He's very, yeah, in the category, too. How are that? How is it?

How is the expectation of the world? He's been, he's been. He is, he is, he is, he under training He's training a lot, he's training there with a tourma there, there,

there was a contrap and he he's in that he will be all going to everything

a court of the last of the course he bathe the he's extremely professional

but he had a certain difficulty that you he, he he, he can batte the Each one

per to a way a way different, it's a thing that not a

question that's there's people, I'm feeling in the I'm totally counter,

I'm see the guy suffering, I see the guy beating the person, I see the

person, I think, a suffolk, I think, a suffoc, you know, because you don't

go to sleep, you don't have been a night good of son, you know, you'll go to to be, you're totally

desidrated, and you'll get and you're going, or not, you know, I mean, he's said, he's got to

to batte the night anterior. In this night, in this last, this last last one, he was over,

you know, I mean, he said, then he's just he got he's been preoccupated, then you,

with this preoccupation, you just have a night really, you know, and for a case, he

he was a poor, no, I don't, the the person he said, I'd say, then for you

start to say, then you, before your body, your body, it's a word,

I mean, it was a problem violent, and he, you, it was invisible that he

was recupered totally, and, but, you know, we've, we've, we've,

we're, we're very in a lot, in a same, and in Approximating the centuron, is the Pantoja,

that's... No, I've been... I've never seen. I've never seen. But he told her that was a voter reserve of the dispute and the centuron

of Brasno Morena with a guy in France. But he's a guy who had more than this, because he got those two,

you know, but, you know, but you're... But you're... You're going to have a news in brief, the lute has

been, he's got with a lot... You can't tell to us in the first a man here.

I don't I don't problem is this but I don't see what I can't what I can't say what I can't you can't

you can't but I think he's a he is a guy he's a man he's a great good, he was a great

he was a guy France but I think he won't this next battle against the no he was

he was against he was he was he was all right was all all right but he had that that he had that

he, he, po, he suffered a surgery there, now a man, is a, man, is a, a person, persistent, poor,

maintain the focus. I think he has all to be the next champion of the category. Maniica, just to let's just to talk about

about the Lyotto, that's recently, the contract with Belator. Intentment, not was the

way that he had to have the contract, but now that is a free agent, what are the plans? What he has in mind? He wants to see in M.M.A. What he's trying to these next

his process of his. He wants to see me. He wants. He wants. Another, the other guy that's also. The Liotto still train, in an altissimo level. The Liotto is a

a guy d'Uro. He has confidence in TACCO. He has he, he, he He he He, he He thinks he

These are you, these, he, these last year, this last year, it was a fatality there, there, an hour of

the blocker, entered a pitouveled there, but the other years were in the category of because I don't

have more adversaries, I had this problem, he had been he had been with Phil Davis,

then he put a, the, the, the, the, the, the,

lot, the, the same thing. It were decisions divided that could

have been to go to one side or to get to he's not very very

very very but he's super confiant and not

want not want to not I'm I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm I'm seeing an offer on

my no no no no no I'm no

I'd would would to create a an action, there's a know, who knows,

who's the shogun will be a posentat and he does a little bit of all the

all the all the all the I don't want to get to the world to the

most I think it doesn't make no way to do in other other

place. This action did you say you would be a possible to do that's

would be awesome of maybe no I don't know, everything, uh,

he's a imposentar there's a idea, I think it's a great option. Manier, Joanieh,

poe, you know, I'm pretty much, but I was always a pleasure, Manorneigh-night here. Mey-night.

Thank you. I'd say much by your time, by the interview, and I rebent on the Sabbath, that the global world,

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