MMA Fighting - Trocação Franca | Mackenzie Dern: Brasileira (De Verdade!) E Mãe Porradeira Quer O Cinturão Do UFC

Episode Date: October 7, 2021

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Gilmer Cruz Hello, hello, my bigo, a fifth episode of podcast Trocaation Franca, a new case

about my this immense pod of spheria. I'm Guilerminid the website American on M.M.A.

FIREAN in Brazil, and I'm back in this Qaeda a major special. Mackenzie Dern,

multi-campi Jiu-Gitzo that does the LUTC this Saturday this Saturday, counter also,

I'm the world that can put a of them expert of the cintoron, Pesopal of the organization. But,

but to talk to talk with Arturzino, the journalist, Carl's Arthur, Jr. of Grace Meg, about this lutown and various other assuons.

All right, my friend. It's all right to talk with you. It's probably to talk to talk to Jiu-Jitsu. And it's a

honor to be partiping on the podcast here, sensational. I was one of the great intusachions

of the first episode and I was I'm still, I'm still, I'm sure I'm sure I'm furred

a fill there to but I'm a rote formula talmadal. You're the Artur-Zinn, you're the first and unique, you have to be in the era

VIP, with certainly, but let's let's talk to Jiu-GITS, we'll just we're doing, M.M.A. I'm a little afasted, but I

still do my Tiers. With the sure, before we talking about this Lottes with the Marina, that has this

component of Jiu-GISC fundamental, no, at the last the Mackensie and the Lada and the Lada,

that she will have to be to confront probably this in the episodes earlier we had the participation

the Johnny Walker, and Chagher, and the Douglas of Lima, and it seems that I used to keep in the way we're accustomed to see. The salo was very under the expected in the last month. On the end chronological,

we had the Douglas, doing a revanch with Michael Page in London, it was an decision aparted that he perdeed for the MVP. What you thought of this, the Luta, first, and this result of the opinion of the juiezer? I think in both the

the lot we can analyze it a way similar that are athletes very equiparated and not they're not they're not

a guy really plastic does much movements and and having the end up the lute the lute

before Douglas he came a little more committed he worked he tried to work at the

distance the Douglas took to him in the contra goal more once almost

he quite did you chute-o- in another other other luta. It's not

doing certain but I think the great surprise there was the

decision, that's a decision was a little I think the the doglas had more

the attack more I saw, I saw the numbers after the

he had more volume of the different disparated of

the gulfs and all so even so the Venon received

the decision divided there to the side of him. I think it was to expect more of this lutees if they soltassed more the game, but

unfortunately, by the cost of the the piece that had, the lute principal, I think they'd go back, and did what it did. I think the Michael Page, he connected some jobs in the first round,

surprising, like a, a superendent, like a, like, made, he made, he made, he made, made, he made, he made, dechews, made, to be able to be soled to a game, this car is very rapid, this guy, he He's a bit

but he's very rapid the differential of his as he said he said he said he's got driving him

to solve too much and you're you're in the case you're in the car is a great star and you

can't confess that I watching the when when it was I thought that the Michael Page

was going because the first round he gave the he put the show of his arm

the leg of the time did a knockdown and then I think so are some scenes

that are the jurors, more than, for example, Dougal Jimmy to be up over

back in, that, that's very effective too, and it should be to be

put up to but I think I'm so surprised but after I'm on the Twitter,

and I'm saying, I'm abysur what I think it, I'm not I think it

really, it was that classic lot, that could go to go to go to

any there, no, no, no, no, don't know the Douglas

can't not, Tantor, he's in the interview post-lutta, he said that he'd would be the trilogy with Doug Garnim

in a instead of the Pied Preeted by the same, but I confess that I'm surprised that you know, because, first, the champion of Belator

is Amossov and Yaroslav Amossov, a guy invicto with 400 and-tant victories, the guy, pigasas,

with a wrestling chato-pacacety. Why, the Michael Page will want to be going to try and

a guy completely the opposite of his, that will put to back back to be

amarhand he's he's a lot of, if he's he's been a contract, he's quite a contract, He said, too, the proslut.

He said, he said, he's more preoccupied with the journey, and less with the title. It's comfortable for car. For him, I concordable for him. I'm a carl of pescoce, that will be atrapalial much, and a lot of

Douglas, he, just, walking to victory, he enters more confiant, he was bordeaux in the lute earlier, he got in a decision divided, he can get in a third-lut, a little more

solto, do show there and cavar a vaguen in the UFC. It does much more sense, of fact. Very much and he's a

man who is famous, he's popular in Europe, he's turning a way more popular in the United and you don't need to be

a centuron, there's people that don't have a great name and put a hand, it's a lot of the way to be

he's a popular, without that piece of that's just a extra that he also could

also would be able to be future, so, then let's this signuron

to that not need not need so. In fact the FC we had the

Tiago Marretta, no, the Saturday, the time, the two RONDA, the Rone Roker, the Marrita trying to go to the victories,

the John Walker vino Walker, Vinole of VIII, the two trying to be a little bit more, but it was making a lot of

five rounds that kind of more, maybe brochante, you surprised, the form, how it was the lot of

all the two know to do you know, but the two guys always, you know, the guy's always with goals really marvellous,

and maroct, you surprised, or you frustraughted the form how this lot happened? I mean, I thought I thought

that the brutality of Tiago Marrette and the versatility of Johnny Walker would be a lot of two rounds no maximum

so, someone would be a cat a cobra going to be a maloquice this,

it was it was a lot much studied really studied and the same story of Douglas

with Venon Pige that nobody wanted solitaire the game. It's a

Brazilian- counter- Brazilian. There's many people talking in the back-dora, the public

saying, ah, they want to cause the other people are the idea of the conspiracy of the British, they're

going to be a big deal of all the guys, and the guys entered with a foot, and they

respected one or people, they'd be able to respect that for 25 minutes, no, absurd. But, but,

the, Tiago, there, had, there, many moments there, and he

tried to derubes it, I think he capitalized in the same of this, but the lot was chata,

no there's nothing to say, car, the lute was chata to do a lot,

the end of the end of but it was a final of the chutin back, with a

tentative to the talk about the people, he did a observable in the

time of this but it but I'm back the last time come to John Walker too

he not got to He thinks that the He's not He concorded that the Luda not was this

thing is a lot spectacular that everyone was always he's not he's in that he's in the case

he's in the you're in the high level much thing in the game at the lot of there's

a lot of the people don't know but the story of those two did you

have they were some more that came not not came they're not

they're they're they're that's the critics educated educated were just

we're not in the merit the people who are the people people are shinginging and all right

this is we know but the critics were justes really really the really

was really really yeah yeah I I got I got I was I thought

I'm very good because I think I don't I don't I don't I don't

I don't I'm not apparently the two were just were waiting

to play this contra-golp not came to a little no, I don't know if it's part

the camp of their camp and all, oh, he's a man, he's a guy phone,

I want to see the show, and the athlete can go to rank, who is to go more long in the division, so it's a cabbara there,

it could have been to say to a local taso, how could be being able to be able to end, it's what

happened, unfortunately. Now, no paper, the Chago Marretta comes to a victory, but no,

a victory that she has an eye, but it's a victory, the car, he'll ender the sequence of

the result of, he was, as well, the last one of his that he was a he said,

he was a man he was a man he not was a lot of a lot of he's

he's going to take this piece of the arms to get to get that he's a

more aggressive to the friends were used to be and the game of the drop

to take a top five of the division so where where you think that each

one go in the division I don't think that will be a shoot a

conturon the case of the maretta even not. He needs, even more, the form of the

victory, there's a there, there's a going to, he's a he even after the

last year he's not very interested because he's he's like, he's like, he's like, he's a way that he

will get a manhirt, no, there's a thing to get, and then nothing to what you think

would be a good possible pass for to each one of this division? I think

the Marrita could be be tested by the FC in this situation. So, you got,

Gaino, you got, more or less there, be a lot of a car to get a rome to make a little to make sure he's in the back in the

back on the he's puttow he's puttow the top five to him, to see what is it to be a real that he's

not to get to get to be, not should be a lot, but I think to get to a guy a little more

rankeated and do the show of him the show of the Johnny is the guy who

in the business of the entertainment He wants to scale to to get to get. But in this situation that he comes to derrota, down a guy for him

a little bit less rankyado for he solace the show and do a sub-upid, it's a legal, but this all depends of the employer of each one of them, how is

how is my opinion here is a little rasa, I think in the case of the employers they know better how to ager but a lot

a lot more than a lot more than for John Walker I think does more than a man of the level of Arthur Zin,

to say that the opinion of his opinion where he's opinion of the opinion where the most profound

of all the world of the first to turn to talk about the podcast, like I gave to make up a while to make a pause

to hear this interview, and then we go back with Arturzino but the interview starts

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side of now we're that we're that we're that's a last time the Lottott Ruggins,

this duel Brazilian in Las Vegas. You're be invue to podcast we've finally

to make this interview with podcast, right? Yes, yeah, I'm very happy we're a time,

not we're doing, we're doing, then the time, then, we're doing, we're doing, then,

so, so, so, so, but I'm really happy to do we're

getting, and we're here. The lute is when you said, when you said, it's the first one of the first last year, my first battle, so I'm

very very happy with with this. And I think that's all month of October, it's all the Brazilian, in the world,

in the world's in the world, now in October, so we're going to this thing of Brazilian, is a thing

I've been a very time with Adriana Bukkerne, the report of thecombott com, every time I go,

I will, I will make a list to get to to get how it was the Brazil in the

year, I'm going to never in your case because you were in the United but it's

a family of the what you consider? You see a Brazilian a business? You consider a

half a American? How is you see in the FCA? No, me

consider the Brazilian I'm consider I'm consider a Brazilian by

my person, by my through the I think it's like, like, like, as, like, how I tend to represent a Brazil, you know, I think I represent I'm a lot more Brazil than I represent the States. I never, I never represented, you know, but she's not a Brazilian of a reality

because you feel like like, it's like it's like when the Brazilian when the Brazil

and go to the States to the States to have to have a life different that's been in Brazil

the Israelis people are so you don't know you're you're going in the States and now

and now when a American and when I'm for me I'm I'm

I'm born because of my father but because of my But, like, for I have been born in the States that I naturalized,

me naturalized Brazilian, I'm, I'm in Brazil, now, poja, I do you know, post,

CPS, I know, I'm not so, I'm, I'm, I'm going to say, I,

don't want, I, do you know, but not, the people, don't, not, I think,

ah, but I, but I'm, but I'm I'll talk to me more more of the realty than a person who has been an option to represent a other place

and I'll always represent Brazil, try, I'll, say, do you represent, I try to show the some of the world, to help in Brazil, to help in Brazil.

Logic, I don't be ungrato for what I could, here in the States United, my father, came to the academy

of his, sometimes was here in the States so I I learned jujitsu here in the United, but it's a

thing for me I'm a Brazilian and it's you think that's a way of times you think of you're in a

American, he don't you know, he not came to him a Brazilian so you're going to represent a other than me me even

Yeah, exactly, but like but so, but, I'm really, I am very happy

with this because I'm very grateful because I think that is a something more of

people that that's the opportunity to have the the world of two worlds I really I can't

I can't have the best I can't the best of the United I can't I think the effects

of each other but I look in always just see the part of and try to help

the maximum that I can't in every country but like so far does it

does a doaation you know, a do-a-a-a-a-o-a-to-o... Until today, I just worked with Brazil, with Cesta-Basicas, with programs,

in society, various things like, so, my focus always was more Brazil, so, really,

really, some opportunities different, but then you come to, like, people, ah,

it, poche, she, she, she-law, for example, she, she,

she, she, she, I say, caracca, like, for me, I'm

trying to me, I'm really, what's any other nationality in the

Brazilian, is Swiss, Japanese, Chinese, or what for, so when I see things

like now, now, now, now, now, they're still,

they're, I'm, because it's, you know, because it doesn't, you have,

you know, in the effort, and, for all the people, all the working

during doing during the I think this also also it's not the time the fans

Americanes the fans American and the time you know there's a little over the thing you say that's

she's being that's this is a this is one the things most the world of the UFC

car it's the every when you will come in some a lot to say

there say that there's say she's imagine you imagine that

you just ignore it's but it's much I don't, I don't, I'm a person who is, like, I'm a person who is, like, not so

to look at the situation, you know, but, like, or when I'm, I'm talking, certain thing, so, I'm, I'm, I'm a lot of my life, my husband, Brazilian, our relationship in Portuguese, I'm talking to my daughter in Portuguese, we don't call in English, here in case, you know, and not is that, I, I don't say, I don't know, I think, I, say, I,

I don't, say, three days, with my mom, the lot of the American, and come in, and it's all right, it's all the way, at least, I pass an interview, the guy,

Brazilian, me question in Portuguese, pete to respond in English, you know? So, my, my, my,

my, talent, my, my, talent, is to do you. I don't know, I'm a, but, I, say,

a, rapid, in this, to, to say, to say, so, so,

to ligal a language to another, and I, I don't I don't try to talk Portuguese, like, for me,

I'm a dream of Portuguese. Anyway, it's all, I don't think to keep me speaking,

because if the person procured, there's, say, the language nat of their, then they'll

say, people, people just want, but, so, people are saying, well,

they're talking to be, so they're going to see, and I'm going to get a little

bit of bachydydydus, we've tried, we've got some interviews some some of the time to finally,

casal the hour that you're with a filen a little, I'm with a little bit of little bit more how you do

to organize your routine of training with a routine of my my routine of my work here is a fattening much,

get to start to start, make a interview, edit, imagine the I'm much more more complicated than the

my, to go to the academy, pass hours, say down a poorada, and then go back to

come in you can't to get to work to do you not atrapal one, that's like

that's like that's after you're better than, yeah, with a lot of really, really was a focus,

like I really , you know, you're getting more, you know, my, what, for,

you know, you can't be, you're, I'm sure, not would be my marid, without,

like, the vows, always, always, always, just, doing, doing,

doing, that's, so, that's, so, you can, a little. My my marido also, my marital

my marital, my marit his championships of their surfs are going because of the pandemic, so he has been working a lot of a surf

of his own, but, I think, I think, this will be my fifth a lot, no,

my sixth a lot, after, the first time, we're going to we're going, we're creating a,

one, a routine with a family, understand, you know, she's like,

oh, a, good train, my man, like when I don't go to me she's like, she's,

she's, it's, it's, it's, because I'm going to get to get a little bit more with her,

like I'm like, I'm going to get to see the sonek. So, then I get a second minutes,

then I go to another train, and then I when I'm going to be going to be to the morning, so,

so I pass, maybe, about four hours, three hours with her during the day, so, then,

obviously, is coming from the little, I'll leave her more more times with me

help me give me do the water but the other day I was training I was very very tired of she came to get to be

my mom mom I'm gonna have to be respirate I'm gonna put it in my respirate so we're doing a lot of

a routine I think a routine is very important in any in any in any if you have if you have

I think a routine a discipline yeah at times it is difficult but I grew in the academy

I just did a Every thing in the academy of my dad I got a telephone of the academy and I'm going to get to the police

I got spray of pement of one of the other than the I'm going to I'm going to talk about and I'm

like this like this little bit of so now so I'm so much she's just not just

not going to not make sure not much to make sure we're making I'm trying I'm doing she's going

she's the first test of COVID her in her life of her to go in the luta.

So it's very good to have her there's a little bit of me in a hotel, helping.

And I think that's it's motivation, not the motivation in the motivation in that she's going to go back,

that I think that she can be able to this to be a lot of her, or if she be a, or if she

for be a medical, or what for, I know what, everything, you have to be to do you

have to be to be a percent, no end you do your 50 percent to do your 50 percent to

some percent always, you know. And I feel free with this. She's

seeing this type of life and dedication to get back. And to be a child, in your case,

in a athlete, involve much a lot of professional complete, yeah,

to be able to be going to tryna and to be in the mind, plan of

to have more family, will be the one, it's, we're,

we're to have more children. I want to get a centuron, I'd get a signoron, there's a

lot of God, we're in a way in a way, we're in a way right, we're in a

way certain to get a centeron in the future so, very close, but I also, I'm

also, I have a want to sub to be to be other men, I don't know after that

there's a cintieron, so we We want to have other children, we can't have some of the time I'm saying you

say, it's a lot of time, we're saying, if we have this opportunity to give a life better

for a client's that not there, it's a thing that's in our plans, but we have

some of the want to have a other child, but we let's just for

more a little we're just we've said it was it was a partada, it was

a surprise a moa but it was a surprise that could have happened

my The weight, it's bettered much, like, I've got zero all, and go ahead, augmenting muscle

and limped the good of the I had in access, in all these things. It's just. It's, see what will happen.

But, with the plan of having more children, it's very irate, very irate really.

Oh, I remember that when you know, when you were a guy, a person, we said,

we said, You said that instantaneously, the Instagram moved, that you've got a lot of a lot of a second time, you know,

you know, you feel that's maybe, of who we're going to, it's normal, let's, you know, after you were going to

all the people, the people, and the people, were doing, to see, and you're, you know, you're still,

you know, the profile, I'm trying to, like, to, naturally, just just as I represent

as a mom, a wife, a lotator, but as soon when I don't see in my graviness, I've got to 50,000

people, I'm in total, so, my luta, about 80,000, but with certain, it's a lot of,

it's because the, the, the, it's masculine, it's, it's public, masculine,

it's more, public, masculine, than it's feminine, so it impossible have been very more

more more more than women than you know but it's interesting I'm gonna

like apagin some photos antips like of the ex-patrucinators or things I

was a old let me see this person who commented and then I went

and then I'd see you know you know you can you know can't like

I can't see various times the same photos many that I said

I commentaries, like, oh, very gata, no-s-oh-k, majority of them don't know me to say,

I'm still in so, I'm thinking, I'm like, I'm like, like, yeah, I'm like, the opinion of

each one, I'llogia, or, or, you know, not that's not that's not,

so, but not that I want, that I, like, you see, fans on,

this is, the only fans, things, you know, I, I don't think,

I, but not my focus, you know, my focus is to represent the women, like, like, to take a little

of this idea, like, the only woman that can't a woman that can, the woman, that's the world, is,

it's a thing, because for me, I think all the women are beautiful, I think those women are beautiful,

are beautiful, I think, I think, I think, it's very difficult, you see, the lotator, the,

like, the person more foda that's you know you see you know, you see

like a lot like a but who who looks for your life, you see people who

don't know with the people who are not wanting to move the life of their and come of a

difficulty and they're not doing like studying like studying, like this is a

lot in it's like in general so so that the people who is

a lot we represent all world in this sense because you know,

because you see in the kind of the people, the guy I like

to see, but the who looks to in see, who can look for a

thing about a thing, it's very fawdo and so, I'm

trying to get a little this attention so of

the appearance and I think that is getting

this part of you know that you don't

have a femininity, I think that this comes naturally for being naturally, for, for, you know,

to be your spouse, for, you know, my way, I like to, do you know, and do you, does this thing,

it's a thing, you know, so I don't I'm doing a thing out of normal to try to try to try to,

try, or so, I'm, so I think, that's, I think that everyone has been to

you know, you know, you know, look, attention, quite so, like, and the women, because there are

many women who don't want to enter in my because there's a fear to get much masculine, to lose who are, and things like, and then there are women who get with fear of for thinking the

guys, just talking about about the appearance of things like, so, so, so it's a process very, very goodados,

you know, you don't want to traverse the limit with nobody, but, so, I think, I think, if you're,

I think, if you , if you should be you, it's, it's, it's, That's what for me

not, but what you said said you say the the public the NBA still in the middle

is majoritaramity is the masculine and also it's a male-machistic we know that you know, for more

that you be an excellent athlete, super-talent many people see the routes because you

think you think you feel that every time you're that every you're to try to

more people that you're a great athlete and not just a rochin bonit you know that this

doesn't that this for example, but with a woman. If she's her beautiful, she has to prove more than she doesn't want to think she's like she's there, because she's not she's just because she's beautiful. Ah, yeah, no, she's

only because she's American. Ah, she's there, because it's Brazilian, too. Ah, no, it's, it's there, because it's always there, you know, always have, you know, something you have to prove, you know, those women,

your, men are beautiful, like, like, the opinion of the people, or the people, or the women he's, you know, the guy not, not,

not, not, he's, he's, the guy, you know, now the people,

not the people, it's just saying, yeah, don't, we're all everything,

because she, so we have to, it's got to be, to be, to be, I'm gonna,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, like, put,

push, part, apart, a, push, I'm, oh, I'm,

like, finalizing, like, the, the first round. Logic, I've got I don't

finalize, I'm never I'm gonna make a lot of my nose, imagine, you know, you know,

I think you, I think you think I'm like, I'm gonna say, like, say, Nick Diaz,

just, it's, hebe the , I don't mean, I was in good, and I'm

don't know, I'm just for him, oh, it's good, oh, it's, oh,

it's, there can't have a kind of a caraca, and I'm going to walk in a lot, and it's not for

anyone, you know, not for someone, you know, I think it's possible, but no, so imagine. You, I'm also, I'm also and I'm supposed to peri-neem-le-kne-le-le-le-old, and she's all-go-de-lawed, and she's all the same way, we pass up to those things, naris-kebrated, and

do-a-caramma. Imagine, I, imagine. And this, now, your luta, against, Maria-Roddrudez, was a lot of course could happen more soon, you? You'd like what would happen more to be more

the year, but the Marina batte the that she would be the end up to get to happen in October.

It's been good this time to more of the camp, or you would have been that had been to be able to

and try more than a final of the end of the end. I think can't to do you

know, if you go to do certainly, you know, you're all right, you know, independent,

if it was victory, and the result, I think you say you can say without without,

lesion, it's to do do more a lot of a lot of a lot of but I'm

always a time, you know, you know, you know, you can't reclame with more

time, now, more time she was she was training and I mean, I had been,

I had been, and she also, so, I think we're both we can't

study more, train our points fracos, more, our, our points forties,

but, even. In December, they had offered her, but I think she was going to I don't know, I don't know, I don't see certain, but I think it was because of documentation, of the pandemic, it was very difficult for the Brazilian to travel. I think they had,

she had, I think she had been of a derota, and, so, not were, like, a, so, they were, like, a lot of, you know, and then, and then, and then, I lute with a Vina, then I lute with a Vina in December, because she was a woman who was, who could be would be in December.

Then, then, after this, but when they offered her, I said, if they

offered her name of her, then she can be a man that's a man that can't do

more than after this year last, I was, I was, I was preparing

that could be able to a lot between her I was thinking that I feel like I was

that for her strife, and I'm from her Amanda Ribas came of the Manda Rivas,

and I also Gagne, Gagne, the Gagne, from the Marina, for me, to be a lot of the marina, could be a sort of a centuron, you know, something like, no, it was, I don't have a problem to look at with a-combeam, but I don't see the necessity of our

but we both are running in our own, you know? The UFC just was trying to this lot for a time, offering, as a lot of general in July, so that was a me-occurried, and then it was to bechew to October.

So I'm very happy with the I think this is second, I think this is the second her second maybe, maybe so second, maybe. So, so second,

this will be my first, so, so, I see that she has more experience, she has more experience, no, than I, like, like, like, to, like, to, it, there, has been a second, the last battle, you know, so, even that I'm in fourth

place, in the ranking, in my her, she, she, she, got the only the only woman that was,

you know, so I feel like, I'm in first, I'm in the front of the rank,

I'm, I'm in four victories consecutively, I'm going to a man in top five, you know,

but, so, looking, looking, statistic, she has more a lot,

there's more victory, she, she got the minute that's the man that's

a lot durissima, but all the world is trying to get to get a point to see where we go, pox,

you can't siturando boys, or maybe a lot, we'll maybe make in the rank, because we're

not much, because we're so pretty, who you know, but if I could get five victories consecutively,

I think it really will be in a situation awesome to, to, you know, to, you know,

to, you know, and, you know, and Junice and the Janvei, many people see this

lot of the classic Greper versus Strike here in the paper is, but you know, but you,

you know, this is a look like a chance of to be in pet too, or maybe the victory

about Amanda Ribas you showed that maybe maybe not probably not probably not got in that

because he made the look at the opportunity to show the question of her and she got been

How can you see this look at the way that you see this through the confront of stilus? Ah, no, I don't like, I think I have more chance

to knock out of her than she has to be to finalize this, I believe, only, just for fact that if,

if one, if one, it's, now, now, on the shone, it's a little more

difficult than, say, say, I'm, because I'm, there's a time of defense, I can't

try to defend, I can't defend, these things but, I think my idea in this lot is to keep trocating

with her she's, I don't know how many years of experience in no-oietai in the

procaation I think the way of a try-of- a try-to- get to get to really,

I don't want to keep taking those contvelas in the case, I don't

get, logic, if I need to be 10 to be in par, I will

get, I don't have been I'm don't know to do this, I'm I think I never

I never I never went, even with, even with, I think it's, I think, I think the Vina was a woman

good to I really, to make what I can make, what I can't be the my new caration,

but she's many men, my name, my plan is to keep talking much with her, you know, I'm trying,

I'm trying, I'm not I'm going to be afraid if I feel in with her, but I

think that my mom will make much the open-upor to get to the non-is- no, it's

not a secret, I think I think if if it was a lot a little a little, I don't

see, if it was a lot of people don't know what will happen, you know, then the

strategy would be a thing, something like so, but I think it's very clear

that she will be going to be able to be going to I'm so-

I'm know, and I'm but to surprise people because I'm all the day training my trocaation I'm not to every day training

it's my my shone my shone my shone for me this other really important but I'm

not I'm not seeing a marina Rodriguez I'm seeing I'm seeing a person that makes part of my

journey my job my objective to get on the so I'm so I'm so I'm

so I'm I'm gonna get to continue my my name to the continue

I don't I'm no I'm I don't dismaying her, nothing like,

I know, I know, I know, but for me, it's like, she's a centuron, and she's no way,

to get the centeron, so I'm going to get this this centuron, you know, I'm doing,

I'm doing, I'm doing, like, this journey, you know, this and since five years of, the,

of the, of the time, this journey, in this journey, to be the office,

you know, so many, so many, many, there's, many, derotas, many,

victories, very lesons and all, and I'm ready, so it's like, it's like, it's a lot of all the whole

people are trying I'm sure that she's I'm trying to quite a carame that I'm but who who can't

who can't who can't who can't do that the athlete like who who's kind of

who's the kind of she's an one of the most the

I'm of I'm the I'm there's and I'm happy with this because I know she

will try some things different than she she's different she's different than she's she's different to the Nina

she's different to heranda Marcos, but I think looking at the lot of her life she was in the time she was in the

time so I don't think that she she's like she's like she's she's with

a finalization secret that she she will get to in me because I'm

nobody got to pass the difficulty So I think she would pass her difficulty with more other men, you know,

if she would have this finalization, you know, but really, you see the hand of her, she has a hand of the right,

a hard, like a precision good, so, so, so, so, care,

know, and go back up to the end up to her, to get a , to get a

a strikeer too good than her, and continue to your Jiu-Tz in M.A. and finalize

her. I think the finalization would be more goodosal. I think just to show that I think what I believe, the essence of Jiu-Jit's, that in my my head martial, it's the better, more,

more, more art martial that exists, not what it really it's my opinion, for I have been in Jiu-Tit, I believe in essence, in the efficiency, the efficiency,

you know, but the Luta M-MIA, there's a SOTC too, I also I'm also I'm adoring box,

I'm adorating shoot, I'm adorando all if I really really could be in Jiu-Jit and have been in Jiu-Tito

so I'm to really to really be doing it's just but when I know-goy- it's just to like that

like that like J-Jit's good, and like I'm like to get a finalization more once

one way I'm I'm trying to make the record of more finalizations in Feminineineine

I think I'm I'm I'm inpated now. I think I'm the first place of more

finalizations in the first round. But in general, in total, I think I think I'm imparted.

So I'm trying to break some records, make some records, do you know, and you

always say, you know, for example, in the legacy, you've got a um, or plata

with a little bit of a finalization that would be the same, the same, I'm sure,

I think, a finalization that I want to is very very to get in a lot

so the the chave of the great, because I always did you know, it was very

the first chave of the jewell in the woman, I think it some, some omoplatas,

another was a plot of a clanglement, so it was very cool this, but I

think a thing, a piece to, like, a plata, that you don't see

that you are a plato, or even merican on the things that I always

that I always always but we have various, various, so one is one is you

is like, like you like a banana sweet stuff, you know, some things like some

twisters, no say what I'm so what I think it's going flowing in this

sense it's, oh, there's a triangle that I just I'm in

those championships when the person defends that's really really

really too it's kind of it's maybe a new if I

if I You're winning this fight, you think you're going to get in a clover or who's

maybe that's a final victory to get a chance? Maybe a Carl Spaz

or a one and Jace Jack? So, they even wanted to put with Carl Spars

before the Marina but I thought that he said that he said I'm sorry

for the fact of you and the marina is acitando not over if they're

pulling Carla for her to have my, no, the office the job is so, yeah,

business, all the business, it's a job, so, so it's it's a good,

I think it's a lot, maybe we're, oh, shh, I think that it's a lot, yeah,

but it's a, say, the officer, I'll, say, I'm, there, maybe,

an opportunity, to look to the ring, or a , I, know, so,

I, so, I, so, I think, I think, I think, I think,

it's, but I, I wanted to be with my coaches I think if I see some, if I I can't get a luta but I even can't be more

more things then maybe we'd make more a lot maybe it would be a good idea to do make a lot

because we'd get to get in time in the center not but if if I,

I know went there and it can't go a show and pox it was all

it's all we're going to go, and then we're going to be the centauron, and it's it. So I think it's all the luteau-itre is very important, you know? Michelle Nicolini, had a chance in the year past, to be the first woman, champion World Jiu-Jitsu and the ADCC,

to gain a grand centaur on MMA there, but she was a couple of years. This is a fact that you can't pass through the marina and gaining a centauron of the FSI. This is a thing that's motiv, you who is, you who is always to be a record,

to have this effect, is a thing that makes with you? Oh, with I was saying this today, I'm going to a moose

and I'm talking to my madrasta my wife I thought I think I'm a unique champion

world by BJJJ of Fache Preeta that will gain a centuron and I

remember the BJP that he had the first, he had been in the Worldial who

who had came to I'm but then but then you just you have said you have

all up all it's all it's is that, for you while you have, the Jacare, who was champion

of Strike Force, the Verdun, who was champion of the FCC, and the Roger Grays, who also was champion

of WAN, so you're the first to get this Fager. So, so, this represents very,

much, so, like, other, like, so, I think, for the

people, for the IPJJF, that is our organization, not, there's other organizations, but IPJJTF

is, what's what most is the most invests in the athletes, that did

the fame you're in the BJJJF you can be a candidate to be a very

prestige, so to say to the new the rules, of the rules,

the style of push up to the kimono and kind of so,

to show to make this success in a other other

arts martial and And today you see those athletes are good and all, no, it's not much, but art martial against art martial like in those antiques, but each athlete's

a little of everything, you know? But to be the best of the world, in your sports, it's a great great, uh, conquest, so, I think that this really shows a thing,

it's, like, a force, uh, a force that we're doing of much time, to get to to show that we don't give to show.

So, so I'll represent a lot I'm going to show so I'm feel like emotional

you know, you know, you know, or then you or then do do you jiu-jitsu or this door is

a door just, I'm no, I'm, I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm, I'm,

I receive some, some, I'm, like, of ADCC, or, like, a super-luta,

something like, do, let me, let me, rapidly, then I'm, like, I'll make he'd be

a message, and then, there's a old day, then say, put, you know, there's

all the way, it's all being, my mind, you know, that still, I don't have this

space that I want to to focus in a, in a, not, in a, not,

but I'm, I want, I'm very, I'm, for a person, for a can't,

you know, not, and I'm doing, do this super-lutus on, something,

so, so I'm really, but for me my transition for MMI is my transition was a little

little lenta I was even competing in the championship in Jiu-Jit does some do you know but then I

me lesioned so I don't I don't see well I don't feel because it impossible to be able to

get to every point but even you know I'm going I'm saying the Pan American because

my my pen was because of the lute that I did like three months in front of MMI.

So I go out of doing this whole of 100 but I have very I'm very

going to go to a BCC a BCC a super a lot and now now,

now, now, with a value more than a champion of C

a radoci I think we're going to be a talking about in negotiation contract

because I think will be even more a value more more

important too so that 2022 the year of the Cintrown NFC. Ah, I think yeah. Manila, Marquenzie.

Thank you for your attention for your time. Good, good source in the Luta in this end of the time. Arebenta and thank you.

Thank you. For your time to visit us here in the podcast. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you,

we're going, this lute will be irate. Not perk because it will do, let me do, we'll do

do you go to Artuzin, after after after this is the classic, remember a

the UFC of the old Fs, that's the classic duel of martial, the one of the side, the other side,

the other side, the other side, are the other and train them in all, but each one has a base fundamental

there's a five rounds. Who you think can't impose the game? Mackenzie will

get a marina to push on the marina will get to get to get to

tryus and try to point in pet perhaps a knockout against a

what you what you what you expect of this this fight of five rounds there.

I'm difficult it's difficult you analyze this is a lot of because you're too much

because you're too much, I'm so I'm a fan for caram of the Marquence I'm a

great but I think this look is this look everybody is putting a franco

favoritism to makeens for because of those characteristics of her the career

of her under the FC for much that she's more that she's

more that is a lot is very open. We have to think to say the same way, but if a McKenzie to get to

get back back back, it it's got to she's a control well she's not a lot of wrestling

to do that the DCC she was a DCC last in 2015 she gave a camp of wrestling

porrada and she has some many good lot of the time of the MMA is different

she she was going to the long of the time but the Marina

is very good in the trocaation, as we know, and she's very precise.

She doesn't solace no solace a lot of the same a preysal a lot of the last

she has been been shown better than the more the more is just a makehance to get

a little a lot in par try to pass a little the limit of the

time to importar because obviously the marina is waiting the

the marquis and the Markees just partip to dobleleg like the is that she will

do a marcea and talk to get a but it's a we're in it's a we're

going to see how it will be the way that she's a real real estate that she not really

really a really a part of the solo of her now see how it when it's

when she when she's when she to get in the fourth and the fifth round

how is trying to get to get to sometimes if you are rechacha- all long

the lot of is a lot's very open. If get on the ground, it's easy to make a manse, control a lot over the ground,

dominate the quadrille, with a brao, with a brao, with the arm, like it's quite, but when getting in-cime

in the trocation, I think it's a terrain very arisen, she has a little bit of difficulty, the marina,

tacked very with socos and chutes, I think, it's a lot abert, I don't point favorit's,

no, Gu. I think the Jiu-Jus the marina is that he, it's to to survive. She'll go, well, she'll not try to finalize a Mackenzie.

I don't think she has any any expectation in this sense. But she's a professional of M.A. more time. She trains all the areas a more time than the McKenzie, who started focusing 100% on the MMA recently.

Before she had M.MA, but parallel the Lottes of Jiu-Gitzo, the championships of Jiu-Git-Sat. What you, you know, you who, you who, you know, for the career of Mackenzie in Jiu-Jitsu for much time, before she was a

red after she has a preta. She's better in M.MA than you imagine about that she would have been in her

the style of the jiu-gis that would be for the style that is the M.A. I don't expect to see the MacKenz

so early in M.A. She grew not, not not, but in what I expected. She was, she

was very well, she was very very good in the Jiu-Jitzo and she said, no, I'm going to train my M.A. I'm going to pre M.A. I think

she migrae well. I think she went with a trocaation balanced, like we just ever, confeating much in Jujit. But in some of the Lutus to some, two, three Lutta, she has shown a evolution exponential in the trocaation, very confiante. In the Lutka, I thought that, po, atu,

I thought it was a man pesadishima, for more so, for more than a Pesely, in the case, she has a man very strong. A Mackenzie trocowl did equal there and and showed that's very

very well and the car, the evolution of her is a great a lot of she has a

person's a personage she's a personage much she she's she and I'm a

music you also also interviewed her she's she's very she's she's

she's she's not she was different yeah the people she's

she she's she she's she she's naturalized Brazilian

so she she she can very very both two I think she has

everything to be a great star. I don't how she will lead with these

bishops papons there's the division. I think the marina is a good test for her

actually she had commented in an interview I don't remember if it was to what

the vehicle she said she said she would be in a Michelle Watterson in this

proper Lotterson if the Marina not was not if the United

I think would be a a lot more interesting for her in ques-lancher

in the category, but the Marina batteed in Michelle and battele and Amanda

also, the Aogos of the Marquesse. I think this lot gets much open how it

is a division, but the Mackenzie is very in the Pesel and I

think she all to do it more in the UFC, in general, I, how is how

it will be the way to the F.C. not the F.C. in the MMA, I think she's going very

very well, not too well in the Jiu-Gitzo, but still have been a lot of bishops apons of the division, today, today the champion of Osamaayunez, has had Jan Wee, who has been able to

probably do a revanch, yeah, she's, that Carlis Pazza, that he should be able to doodle, but it was passed up to back to back again, to know,

Yan Sha'anan, that is another pedreira coming there from China, are the athletes that are requeated immediately acesima and the Marina

today, in the list of official of the F.C. How you see the two casano against these five pica of the Galassas that there in the front? You see, in them, the game sufficient to gain the centuron, to gain in that

the next game to, to dispute the centuron? Because, car, are lutteders, very complex, and nobody has, of, the game of Chown of Mackenzie, the trocaption of the marina is equate, the trocaption of

some of them there's there's I think the I'm a more than the two are the

problem with the difficulty is a lot no, no, I think, let's let's come

about the Mackenzie. I think if a Macenzie would be a role would be a

lot much because the Rose supposedly would be a lot of a lot of the chan with a

Mackenzie and she would show the I think the Rose is much

more to see testar she she she she Now, I think with a Elizant would

would be complicated too, I don't see, I don't know how the rose is a great brutal, yeah,

yeah, the Rose is a great, a great, I think it's a Chinese is really a point to be like,

to be a different of division. In my opinion, it's a better and would a lot of

complicated for any, whatever person, in this category. And for Marina, car,

it's what I said, the Marina has to to work better the Jiu-Gitza her,

I'm a good also, I think I'm a real division of the all-round. The Rose

is more all-round, she'll she's good in all-round, she's good, and it's very good

to show, including, most it, but I think the marina is so good in the

try to one, I think the two get a, the victory of any one of

both, the which I put her both, and I think she has been

chance of the chance of the Macenzie a a little more because

the popularity, she can get more rapid on the centuron, you see, the marina is the rank because of the

last few years, but the Macenzie is much more popular. It's a bad, the Macenzie is in a second?

It's in a fifth, is a sixth. Ah, then I did a confusion, but in any

form of the cause of the popularity, no, exactly. No, then, of fact,

I think the the marina did the marina did lots than the journey of both,

But I think the two get a game for a dispute of a centuron for a cause of a castam to get a

style, I think, I think, it's a guy of the two don't see. In this moment, yeah,

make a camp for a signoron, it's different, the head is another, the preparation is another,

investment, is another, and this moment I think the Elizang is better than the two,

so that Rosie, I think would be backed by the Marais in the

Marina in the if the if the Mackenzie if it would be

she, she, she, she will be a first woman, champion of jiu-giscio, of the ADCC, and championing of MMA, also, of a great event. It's a feat that Michelle Nicolini went to one championship this year, it ended up rolling, the performance not was very good. You, you know,

who's it, you can't see, who we don't see more women doing this transition, this migration, of a sport for other, how we see with more frequency between the men? I think, I think, at least, to be the market, the market of jiu-jit today

today, it's very better. I cover the Jujits also also

you know that years you know, the Jiuits had a little in the money, you know, when it

paid them? Poor, or quite nothing. There were many the events that were

the same the proper the market and the partrocin, it was complicated you had a a patrocinio

and a barzino local, a restaurant local and to do a point a point

on the market is very inflamado, is having very support external, including,

there are events of Jiu-Gitz that have received support of great markets. So the market is good,

car. For who the guy will go to Jiu-Gitz which is a market, to go to M.A.

Toma, not a different, nobody doesn't, nobody, I remember the Rodolf, when I

did the first thing he said, when he said, he said, car, to take a heart,

he'd do a car, who passed, I'd gain all in Jiu-Jitsu Antigamiation had this migration natural Yeah, the guy had been in the Tijuana He'd be MMA to get a year To get to MMA to get money

Today he doesn't need more So this migration is more Divegat The Boucher's justa Because he was kind of endued To Lut Jiu-Git Like 11-titudo-mundiars 13 Titual Worldi

He said I'll be I'll buskare a new Disaffir In the case of the men We have some names that get well to migrate in the next

months, the next years, the next years, the Bia Mesquita, she has been talking about the

mind of her to migrate to M. she did, I remember, a lot of a lot of Jiu-Jitsu.

Dizen that's a taparia, no, but it's because it not only only only

it's a goal of open to the arm so, so you can be with the palm

of the palm of the palm of the arm in. Yeah, car. So it a prelude, you can

get a way, will get this experience, and there's a Bia Bia Basilio. It's a woman of San Paulo, that's starting to do their first trainings in the MMA,

and you can't even have to do that a little bit of a lot, so are two men who are a strong to the summer of bishops, champions of Jiu-Gitz

champions of Jiu-Gitz, the Bia-Basilio, as well, the Bia Mesquita, both are champions the DCC, as like the Mackenzie. So,

so three meninas that are good of wrestling, that casas very with the game of the game of the game and a lot of

more than to do the first pass on the case. The Bia Mesquita is one that's the same generation

of the time in the Jiu-Jitsu. We always always hear that she thinks and does this transition.

She's, I just believe, Vianna, that was I think she was that I thought that she would

end up going to that she'll have because I think the jujitsu she'll be, will be casas very well in the M.A. The Luana Ozu-Gir came to do a lot, I think it was amador but I think

I still to sign a convicta but never streed, it's already, there's a few years that she sold with an invictta, and never was a lot for her. I don't know if she desistial of this impreitada, but I think it's a lot, there's

a lot of people, there did Gabi-Garcy, who did career there in Japan, but also there's a lot of on Rising. And in the case of her, it's a little engato, because the category of people, no, there's a lot of a lot of course

for a thing bizarre. I'd have putting her with her own with her own things very criticated. And it ended kind of, like, keemando the Gabi, between the fans that could have her as a athlete serious, because, porre. The career that

did she's a good idea, it's a But in MMA, the fans of MMA look at her and think, porre, this woman just just a pega frango in Japan and all. The last month of her, she got a, a Brazilian, that's more

the part of the trocaation, and got well, finalized, I think it's a pain that, there's no, no, no, no, no,

there's a different available for her too, but I think, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, see, the,

to, to, do more men, people, to, I think, there's, There's a lot of people good

that would be but it's what you know, the market the jiu-jice today are so hard that they

don't need to do that they're to gain money, it's just who have that's test-tap to take a

car and then all the people have this want to you don't have the need the need to

the incentive financial to make this money. Well, we're just talking about the migration

the intention of the migration the guy's too Shand-Ribberer Andrea Galvon, are great champions of Jiu-Jitz.

Migrated to M.MA to make a money, because in that era was to make a-m-A. Now I'm going to be to M.A. There's people that did the same,

Demy, Jacare, Giacar. The proper Verdun, you said, by Mackenzie, looking, looking, busking,

to be various titles, in Jiu-Sidson in M.A. The Verdun got this fact, and now,

Maquen's to be the Vrdun of the class feminine. So, it's difficult, car,

not the stimulus. Even the the other athletes, the men, we're having little migration

of Jiuits in MMA. There's one or other. We've had a much time, but these the last

names now are more complicated, now, to make this transition. The Bachecha almost

not was, the first a few years ago, he went to the juts, and he was going to

come to the LUTTA to him, but it's a lot the guy not doesn't

get with a and to look at the events here, was well assessorated, yeah,

loted well the events nationales and was to the UFC direct, he's doing a career there, but

are cases rare, I'm talking, there's a Alexander Vieira, who's a DCC,

have a tuital of a kimono, and is thinking to do a lot of MMA, can be

a good athlete there to the other after he I see a few, guys,

guys, we've seen many other times, now, Guy, now it's It's a little complicated,

it's really. That's the I want to be the word of I just know the word of I'm going to

know this name of the number of the future of the people that are coming to M.A. the world of Jiu-Gis.

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