MMA Fighting - Trocação Franca | O que Alex Poatan precisa para reinar no UFC

Episode Date: November 23, 2022

Alex Poatan é o novo campeão dos médios do UFC, mas ele está pronto para reinar absoluto após nocautear Israel Adesanya? O Trocação Franca está de volta e recebe Murilo Bustamante, primeiro brasileiro a conquistar o título do UFC, para analisar a luta e próximos passos de Poatan. O podcast ainda bate um papo com Larissa Pacheco e Matheus Buffa, que disputam títulos na PFL nesta sexta-feira, e traz a resposta de Rodolfo Vieira à pergunta: Gordon Ryan já é o maior da história do grappling? Alex Pereira is the new UFC middleweight champion, but is he ready for a long reign after knocking out Israel Adesanya? Trocação Franca is back, and we welcome Murilo Bustamante, the first Brazilian to hold a UFC title, to break down the fight and Pereira’s next steps. The podcast also chats with PFL title hopefuls Larissa Pacheco and Matheus Scheffel, and asks Rodolfo Vieira if Gordon Ryan has already made the case to be called the grappling GOAT. Listen to Trocação Franca with Guilherme Cruz every Wednesday to hear from the biggest names on the hottest topics in the Brazilian combat sports world. Follow Guilherme Cruz @Guicruzzz Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And representing the MMA Fighting in Brazil, Guineering! Cruz. Hello, my friend of a 6th-10th episode of the podcast Troca Skaan Franca,

a new house sub-MMA in this immense whole of Stairn. I'm gonna Chris, correspondent of the site

American on M.M.A. Fairea in the question to give us to give us to my friends, and Veeves, Fernando and Viton. And it was humanely, humanly impossible to grab a podcast

but I could not let's just pass a happen to this magnitude that's this year that's

someone last time in nobody more year old Mughaloup Bustamante the first Brazilian

champion of Medsdh to say to talk to the car that now the right he's

there's Murillo Gustamante first Brazilian champion Pesomomom Mek

again see the return to return to come through Alex Gautan who to accept the invite for the podcast.

How are you all the things about all the things for there? Thank you, Gilean, for the convict. A pleasure to talk with you, with all of your

audience, all the signants. Oh, it's all right. It's all great, man. The Vortan did a lottas.

Oh, I accompanied, and I'm trying much, and in the last one had other solution for him,

not see, finalized the knockoutiar. And, the guy, the guy got he took

a knockdown almost a knockdown in the first round in a lot of the lot of hard but it's not

it's a true, more, it was a mental, and it went to the final

and got a victory a victory a lot of he will make a much as a loterer

and the next the next the with Adesania with certainly will be

more difficult for the Sunner. After you've seen, how were the four first first round,

when it was confident, you were that it would do it to do do it to get a

contendable that he's a turn into a miracle, let's see, to a car, I'm going to

get a car, even, he was saying that's talking about going to goops

dis-pastas there, not going to be coming up the end up the hands as,

as, as, as, as, like he did in the last round

round, I'm a hand of he's a very very large he's a very high,

for this category. And really, in the last round, he showed all the potential of him

he, he, he, he, he, he, he's really,

really the wrestling of him, not defensive and the attack, did a

double leg very beautiful in Adesani, And, man, there was other out of the structure of Glover, the corner of his, was perfect. It was to knockout, have to have to combine, to put the hands consecutively.

And he did this, man. And it was, por, fantastic. What, this fight, the formulae was, the war, the majority of the fight, but it ended up being knocked out in the final, as basically was the lute of his kick-box, when the Pota knockedi-oed him, was also a lot of a lot that he was going to lose,

but in the last round of the Naukautio the fact of the whole has been how this mud has been the most of the Ravent that will happen to happen in the UFC I think the Pouattan enter strong as a champion the knockoutio but the Adesania

could look for the ball me too, I was getting him he was the better, it's just to have more attention in the final, to be attentive with the hands pesasades of him how you were as

as a trainer and the trainer how you would you use a lutein the form that she was to be able to orientate each one of them I'm in the I think the

Adesania, I think Adesania, if I don't me can't even he's not he's not I think to make a part

of the ground of the point of a point out, very perigoso in this category with a inveigurra

very great uh, I think Adesani would vary more the game with the game

round a round, because in the end up that in the final, Adesana, even going to well, he's going to

the final, he's taking the time, he's going to the two other he's not, so he's so he has to,

I think he has to do the finalization on the ground, I don't see, but to change a more,

too, not be a way, because the adesani is taking a trance, all the lot of the

battle, he's, he proved that, he, he, he, he, he,

he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he'd, he'd,

He was still various rounds in this lute now. He's the result if it was

for points he'd would be he'd and the old time pretty much he's not

times, the quackes a while he had to have to make a round empowers

and I try to finalize and by the bottom I've he was

he in he per very good he's he can combine more more

more that's that's for him for him the part of defense of

the It's a part of the part of the kind of showed that there was a great evolution. Just not

not see much the part of the ground, he not got really, even it got a lot he got up

back there, but I think to work more, I think to work more the part of the shun of jiu-gits.

The Adesanne was a very much more more experienced in the M.A. there's

a way a game after the champion and defended the Sintoron some times. Jal,

the Potton is a have a career more more more a career very long

in kick boxing but in a ammns a rise a special after the

under a champion. You see in him a man with a character to

have a long reenade even being a big-dimensional because the kick-box

of his kick-boxes he has the experience that he has what he made what he most what he

made capacity to be a champion if he not pick he took the he took the

Adesani who is a If he would be a wrestler, if he would have a guy of Jiu-Jitsu, like the Zergypani, someone who knows who combined more, like, let him, the potential to be a man dominant, to have a long reenade, maybe being a man being a man more unidimensional, let's say. Look, the level is very high, man.

I particularly think that Robert Wittaker got the last last fight against Adesania. The Roberts is a A lot of many abilities Not a guy Of easy Hebrough really

Drupal much I think it's a A lot of A lot of A lot of good I think he needs It's

Betterer more He's more He's more He's down He's playing He's wrestling The Adesani Withercernia

With more More experience More Lottor some of five rounds, I don't remember quite, but

he looked at this much experience of ring so that he conduceal the lot of the last time when the

portar, I chose him but the ascension of the portar really was meteorica but I think

this this conquest of the title gave a experience very great for him I think he

will have a great there, he will be going to a time

more It needs to To work A lot of His Because It's With certain

Between all the disciplines He dominions The part of Jiu-Gitzo or ground Or the Chown

How you want to It's the Mast He showed He has a evolution The Baitai

and the Bucid Box there is the part in Pair and par In Pek The part of

the shone needs to work To work to work a good Kreplek, who will

put him to go to him to get a category, that he has this poor job to

the other the other that's a lot of a lot of a lot of a lot of he will be going to

be there, he'll be a lot of a man, I'm a bad, too, good,

and better, now, over the fight of the two will ender, the next lot will end up

much, because everyone wants to the The other one was to applauded the pep, it was a lot-sao. This was third.

If it was the fourth, the fifth, the quantity of the of the two, even more with this competitiveness that they have one with another, but it will be able to be, pervue, my mom, you can put here,

but it's back a-cha-fax. With certainty, you said, and you said, the necessity of those two evolve in Jiu-Gitzo, in the Lutte-D,

after this this, the Pothan was graduated Fasha Marron of Jiu-Jitsu by the professor of his. The Wadersenia had received the Fasha Rocha of Doree some years ago, and there's this polemia, of graduate, uh, before

a victory in the M.A. Especially, uh, this Lutera that the Pothan was and received a façam moron in a lot that, that little had of luta agarrauded, nothing, specifically, what is your vision? You, you as a

leader of the team, a patch chorale of Jiu-Jitsu? What you think of this question? It's got to do not a polemic. I've been doing two jiu-jitsu critiquing, doing M.MA, critiquing, this thing to graduate someone, after a victory in M.M.A. I think that's just methodology,

just a form of to work, uh, in dispeight, the professor who gave a façam-marron, with the criteria of his, and the my criteria is I, I don't gradu an athlete in jiu-jitis that not train of kimono. If you don't you train as kimono,

not you train as kimono, I don't grader, difficult. This, in my head, it's not my head

being very good, he needs to train him to have an d'i-demeanor, have an knowledge,

know, with the kimono, with the positions of kimono, it's all, it glo-tutut all,

it, glo, kimono, defense personal, as, as I'm not gradu,

uh, athletes, that don't know, know some defense personal. So,

in the curriculum so it is obligatory you know to know about to be

jubhits to be graduated. I mean, I mean, but all the, the the quits

cobrated, the positions there of the positions minimum, the positions minimum, the faças

maron, each one have to complete their obligations there to know

to know to understand to pass to posterior and have a level

minimum of the in the training, you know, you know, if the guy not practice,

train, just do you do with a position, also have no condition to be graduated. But my

no, the most of your own, but this is, every one, no, the year the year

the year, the year, in the Brazil, uh, to be the the

band, after, for two decades, there, in the group global, uh,

with the group global, and, And we have today three champions, which is Poitam, Amanda Nunes, and the Davis, Amanda with two centurons, and have the possibility to have various centurons even.

Until the end of the year, trying to retomar the signet. We can start the year with four champions and five centurons, how can you see this new moment of the Brazil coming from 2023, after a derog, after a derogu, we've had with Charlottes

to Bromx, but the possibility to have five Cinturons in 2003, with a FC to return, the TV-aberted in Brazil? I think the TV-aberted will be a new explosion. It will be a lot that still not won't. The people will have

more access to the luts than the TV-to-day-again, because even everyone has a channel closed, there can't be a signature. So, there really have a explosion of popularity, I think. And the level is very high in all

categories, you see that it's all a chav. It's very important these conquests, because are conquests very difficult. All the athletes

that are competing in a level very high. Not there's a lot farce. In fact, not there's not not yet

the car to get to that's actually to be presentating depending on the result of the lot on the centurion,

independent of the Chaster, have beenced or beencited the battle of the level of his technical is phenomenal.

The guy perdeal the Russian was better than he, but if he did a other fight,

probably he will have a performance better. And the Glover provo-a that could

be with a silturon, perdeo on a bobbereer in a final-zien, I'm sure that the

people will represent very this year that in the year, and maybe we're

some some other categories there, but the The Brazilian are always on top, I'm going to who are even the

better. With you who are 18 years, even if you're sometimes, some time, a while want to to go out of

506, to call the lube, to do you do a lot of your generation, or this door just is a time even, and

not re-abre? Never never say never, but in the moment my objective is another, this page

of competition in my life is I'm a little bit of a back in a back time. Focated in a job team,

a better of the gestal. But, that's that's that's what you know, but in the moment I don't see this.

In the moment, I'm with other objectives. I've enjoyed much, I'm very, I'm a lot of my phase of

a competitor, I've lived this intensely, uh, me privy of much thing to be a level I'm out of the competitions,

to get in the competitions, I'm trying to practically everything I've tried. And I'm very very happy with my career, but in a moment, I don't see the possibility

to return to come in, no, no, MMA, but it's that you never know the day of the morning, de-pents, this one time, I don't know,

but for the end. And what's the next talent of the Brazilian Top Team that we'll see in the great events in the UFC? Who is the

guy that you appoint? This is the person who's the next that's the next that's

a lot of the there's a child that's a track of the There's a garotada that's that's growing there, event or event there's a pigrant, Ricardo,

the king, there's a lot here, there's a lot of, there's a lot of, that's a little bit more, he's a,

my own aluner, the trainer, the trainer of the Kedda, the BTT, Trio, Trio,

is a great great, with our team, the doctor, Klaus, Kure, and Jovan,

John, so, so, they're creating this new so much very much, so,

thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, always, good good in the

next time the next time. And who know, the time to be able to talk to do to do this

moment, but I'm very much for the past pastime, and success in the process of

the next the next to the next thank you a welcome, a brase for all the audience

and the people, we're we're going to get the good years this year,

and we're having a lot of the people, All right A great Abrauss.

Now we go to session Fight Week to have to talk to a lot of because of the stunons

of the NFL and the bagatela of a million of dollars each other on the Kela Harrison and Adeligea.

And of Keb I'll try and a little a piece of a interview that I did with a show

the FEC of the last time but it was going back back on because I

don't know to make to put a podcast a opinion about the about the questions

the most of the question of the he did not a decision this year, finalizing

practically everyone and getting a superlut against a lot of under the interviewings

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The other side of the line, we're saying Larissa Pachevo, that this end of the end-bushed the title of PFL, the sonnard of a million of dollars, and a son-a-victory, against that Harrison that's engasgated,

after two-dives to have divided the jaula with her, to have been the decision. But, Larissa, thank you. Welcome to podcast how is it

being able to get rid of this anxiety a few days to say in the mind with her. I think

now I think now we're in the part that's the part that's the part that's coming, the part that I think the

expectation, pox, it's coming, but, so, in the hour that it really,

that's the part more legal. And so, it's, it's all very very

this this week this is a bit more a bit more but

it's it's a things that I'm like I'm some things that are quite

because we're getting quite getting tired more for the because of the

food and still and have to train to to

put to the person and these are some

more more chattas but in general it all

to do you, to do do everything that's good, to be a good, with an excellent. So it's

a thing a good this year. That's a athlete, that is exaltated by the media

American, the fans American, as one of the world, Pesu-Pers, she, it's not

when it's barren in you, you, you know, because you do you do do you

do you, you're in PFL, you, you're not no-o-o- -cout- all-money,

but when peg in it, you'll end up the decision. You think that this category are you two are really

in a patamard different from the restant. You're the best, but when you get it, it's that

that he can't see oversaid so much so much can dominate, nobody can knockoutia

and this you give an anima more I need to get to come with her this story of one

once for all this. No, with certain when I when I confronted a Kaila

I was going to a series of things and it was in the first the first

the first the first the second in the final of 2019 so it was an other

moment for me it was a other prepare it was a other camp

it was a other another a today I I think

as an athlete as professional I am more

more more more My job is consolidated. I'm able to show everything,

like, an other side of my game, that's everyone always me via, as a finalisada,

today, the people have more a restacee of my hand. So I think that

in this moment, the game will be totally different for me, you know,

in that time, in that was a superior, was coming of various luts in ballada,

having various combats what I think for meninas that were in the level in which we really are, that she's that, that I'm so, obviously that we're over-same,

the great majority, but I believe that in this moment, apesar of her still the favorite for this combat, I see the victory clearly.

You, you, it, You've been, you've been before the last time in 2019,

it was in 2020, obviously, there was a pandemic, so the PFL not did a time in the year, I'm going to

think you, you'd be in new, would have, but you never had that that problem on the

no, no, no, that you, you, you, you, did you,

you're, you're, again, you two, have, again, again, after the

pasted three years, the first, the, the first, the second, the what you

did the game of her you said you've said you did that you did you know what

she's a thing she's what she's what she's I'm I don't see nothing no way

no more she's a man she she's excellent in that she does but she she's a

plan, she's a game the those are very very so we

don't precede much so it's just just look the trajectory

of her to and it the same year it's the same year in 2019

it's the same game in 2011 not a threat that's a in the other

she'll knockout generally when she doesn't when she doesn't this power of knockout compared to

my own today the the the lute it's basically just that she

she want to put to back back she she wants to she and she

can't with it and she don't see the no I don't see the

evolution so not I don't don't see the MMA in the

the fight, she does, you know, she does that she American and just be inaltecated this way,

it makes with the public the public, ah, abrase, obviously, and, and,

and, and, and, so, then, this paltow, for her, but I

don't think that's a matter of I think, I'm, I think I'm, I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, my job, my job, my motivations,

It's it. I don't see much for her not compared to the I've been in

the defense of her will say that she's not much she's going to she's not

not that she has been much that you make a the time to the fact of she not have

done it does it means that you are basically training for three years

to end up the same the same the same the same one of

a lot of a lot in a lot of work of to train to train to her? No,

obviously, I don't train this just for her, but I trained by my evolution as an athlete,

I want always to be able to be and today, and today I'm able to give

this, like, the way that the men are not going to more evolve

the games of their in in the in the I, I

looked practically almost all the athletes that she she did a one

and I finalized to other. Ah, this is the game of her she's a

she doesn't not move but she doesn't gaining, but then now, today,

we have many years of professionals of high quality, but I think don't give a

content, not entreg on a lot, a we don't want this. The public, I'm putting as a tele-expectator,

I want, I want to see porrada, I want to see a action, I want

have emotion, I'm saying, carav, what happened this, you know, it's like, but when

we're going to say, ah, po, the lot of the lot of chata's yeah,

even for who the people, the people, the people, and so, but it's, it's good

for them, and, but for me not, it's a other vision, I've had,

you know, and you going to she, you're going to be, the world of your

person, because it's a category that's not exist in the other events, not exist

no Beto and and everything hype in the same how is it how it's to be in

this emotion of the out of getting to get a million of dollars in the bolso

be the better of the world after you after your career to be able in a

future in categories different and do the back over over with a new

power with a new world I'm I think I'm I can't say that I

can't say that I a sentiment of realization. Today, this dispute of a centuron

for me not simply a centuron and a million of dollars, it's a realization of life,

a my realization as a professional in a piece in a good a good a good

to show to what I'm able to do what I'm able of my abilities so,

so it's, will be a sentiment of the of the of the of

extreme importance this moment for me that has said that's the last

year of her participating in the playoff in the pre the time the

time in the year the year she will want she will want

she will you think this this will be the last this will be the

first You think you're going to top more times? I believe we'll try to trymower more times, because there's other

manna of her own and the person. I think there, we know, the we know,

the level not so so old than my, because I go say, me putting even in

second place, because I don't have the visibility nor hype that she has but we

are equal, we're at the same patam, on the same level.

I don't I think I think I think, after I think she, I think she will have to

move this strategy of her to put her to put to be a good opponent be there on what it's

more, because every more the game of her can't give a freeada in her, the other woman also

also that was that was in the second last year, in the second the last year yeah, yeah, the

yeah, the first, the first, the first, it was the first round with her. So, she was,

she had to, one hour, she will have to be to knowva, and if she she'll encounter,

she, she, that, that's, that's, she's just being coming to happen

to happen, in her, she's putting as a major, she's, she're

trying, and, and, doing the other Amanda, against

Ciborg, she will not have not ever any experience in the way, I'm going

to find men, she's more more experienced, putting the two the Manda

Ciborg in this combo, it will be a lot more more difficult for her, but I

think we will be so in some moment or in some event. Pellan

most two times, then you can make try the placar.

Yeah, with certainly. It's a two. Just for we just to finish this problem this is about the

question about about the question about about the question between PFL, UFC, PFF and BELATO

obviously the event he does this also because there's a lot of marketing, that is very

popular in the United. So, then we're trying to transform her in a athlete is

a lot of people, this is a thing you have this interest to do this doing

to get to get to obviously push a bit to you

this hype. You have interest in, who somebody's trying to obviously the UFC not does,

the UFC, he doesn't do you know, the other events, but a better, I'm doing

a little a class, or something, or something that's kind of, I'm going of the

major, and for this have to get to get to the major, so,

I'm so, I don't have any, no, question of a, I'm going

to be a, I'm doing this kind of I never was a person,

I never with who were I would have I would be I'm trying to I'm my last

a little or like my first my first never I'm always I'm always

I'm doing I'm want the I want the people who see I'm seeing other I'm doing

I'm doing this money and I'm seeing the same thing that Kaila but I my name he's

in another patam by what I did this year, this year, and the year this year,

I'm in the work to value and bring money to our boss, with the business, we're going to

get comfort of life, so, we're going to see, thank you much for your attention

of the same, good sort in this rata final, these few days that fall, the course of

and abet in the week, and then this million of dollars and me and I

can leave We'll just to make a We'll make a resume private Matheus Bufa Poe, a few days to say in the hand on

once a PFL now with a check of a million of dollars on the other side, we've just talked about this time

you're talking that obviously the money is a thing very important but you was a revenge against

and you want to get the car and you want to wince the tournament the

the lance sportive on the time the but how is to be a few days, at a few hours,

of a victory that can't move your life financially, the life of your family entire? Yeah, so I'm maintain the

the same thinking that I have been, the time entire, I don't put the next to the place, because if I

think of my time, I'm going to start to go long, I just think in BMW, V, and Cornel of the Orr. So,

I'm thinking in the title that my dream is this is a campaign is a new year. And September is there is there

sure that this will be able to be sure this year and with the time you have the same materials that

you use that you would go back with this money in the money yeah no it

with with the BNW VWVN man the car legal the car legal

will pick at old, the reality was the Christian, no stop and

me in my car there's a old, then I'm there's to be in this car,

he's if the car he takes to get a home to the academy and is attending

for the point, but then after to be a man millionary

you have to have a thing more more more than yeah

so so so, so one of my my dream was always was able to

live only with training, right? And, and from the final, I've

continued to do this. So I started to give the classes, to be focused on

training. So, today, I can say that my work is train.

And, so this was a great conquest in my life. I don't

need more no. I don't see if I would some

I'm I'm so I'm very felons are so training

so I'm so, and the things happened in the moment

that they were to happen how you think that's that's that

you're not not the kind of to not have to be disdobran

and dividing in a routine in a thought so so

I don't I don't I I'm I that

reflect positively I think it can I I don't know what is,

I don't know what I'm just to train. So I'm discovering, I'm going to discover now. So I don't know how it will be a result. I hope that it's good with what was made, you know? So, my time was, train, no, descends, and train, no descans. No day-a-day, you've seen the great difference, to say to home, to go to the academy,

just to train and go back to house, for you, like, like, to, like, to, like, to, like, to, take a academy, to trainers, to do a class, there? Oh, with a difference

absurd. Because then I would have not terminable the train and I'd just have a little

what I'd do in the day, so it was only hours of training and what I needed to

prepare for the lot. So, so, today, I'd say,

my work is my lot of I'm I'd say,

I'd say, I'd say personal. It's It's a great because you've got a guy that you've got already picked a camp completely different, now you've made a camp professional

and you made a camp, more or less, a camp of a personal trainer that also fought, right? In fact, my ultimate battle was like, but I did

many things different, since the, in fact, this, this derrota for him, the initial, no boss of the thing. So I took a lot positive of this,

that the I came where I came now. So I took some things

that not not that not are not that I thought that I thought I was trying

and I made some the way to train and the results positive happen to

so I know I learned much in that that lot that I don't

think I did I'm I'm but now I now I have

I'm I'm going to a way totally different and the result will be different too.

From there's to be two two two. No-kaltian the last in the third round,

in the final end, and he did also the two luts, uh, following

the role of the playoffs in the last game of the Renan, a problem, that is a

guy very great for the category, too, how you think you after you

did you did some did some some did some some a casement of games, you know,

some, like, a, one, you know, that the fight in sit in

the way, it's to do you do this way, and not that we were thinking

before. And, so, so, so, so, I, the first

I, I told you, I don't I, I said, I, know, I know,

I don't know, I think I was a little, I think, I I don't know, I don't think a little bit of him

was a little dispersed. I don't know, I don't know, I'm not going to say that not I was I'm going to be, and I did a good performance. So I've moved a lot more thing. I know what I expected of Delia,

I've just, I've got to do it, but I think he still I don't feel what I have to him to the other side, so with certain I think it will be very accommodated. I think you

know, you know, but he's not you know I think so. And how is you gain of him in this

battle? I've seen all the possibilities possible. I'm well in the pastling, I'm being in Jiu-Jitzo,

so, so it's very difficult I do a previs a result of the I had to do I even I even think if it was

for the 5 rounds, I'd bathe, I'd be in a porrida with those 5 rounds to make a emotion only but I always always look a knockout this is a one thing I'm always I'm going to busk out, always recently the ADCC

yeah, without the great name was Gordon Ryan, that's the guy who is, he did, other than to dispute the superluta, did the category also, you know,

she no me can't if I don't even she no, she didn't finalized one and who gained in a superluta of Andre Galvon and there

there's a lot exalting the guy, really were a fact that you can't be to say that the guy is one of

the major of the time in the same kimono you can't you can't but you know what he did he did

in Las Vegas in this ADCC it's it's difficult to say yeah I think it's between him

and Roger there but really with the old he has if you go with the Roger

when he won't I think the ADCC 2005. So a guy who has much thing in the front even, and has shown a jujitsu

of an altissimo level. Poh, super maduro. The guy, a lot is very beautiful to front,

to get, I like, I like to him to and this ADCC there, he took on,

so, obviously I was trying to try to the , to the friend,

I, I knew that the people had many people saying, no, that he

would to get Andre and but I I thought really the Andrea had a chance to gain

him but unfortunately he didn't he he was neutralizing the the game the game

and he did what he did also he there put there a

lot of 40 minutes in with Andre Galvon and and I

still to put the guy could put the character can't

you count on the athlete that would have He, like,

today I don't consider, like, it's difficult to be in him, but I think that more a victory

he, I think he will, he's, he's, he's, yeah, he, when you,

when you, when you, like, you, the, you know, the circuit normal,

yeah, DCC in the, you know, you're still after 2015, there,

but it's in the super-lutus here, you're, there, you don't enter in

any came, and then it was when he started to despontar, it was to appear, in the 2016, you never never came to see fronter,

but if you were infronted him, you know, your auge, and he, what is the goal to, what is the

game, it's difficult, we'd have to be front one way, like you when he started,

when he, he started more, I was just was paring, just in M. The last the last year

the last year the first time that I lutecc, I was I was doing the MMA and I'm in the

manned but I'm like you do you try to try to go to try to him

and use my job of my job of passage yeah it's like I'm

like I'm I'd have to work to leg lock that

is a that is a fallia me and try to come of him because

he for him really really there really has a technique,

so, very refined of passage, very just, much pressure, he don't stop in any moment.

In fact, he's not not far in the way. It's difficult to put him in the way.

Yeah, generally the guys who are not to put him to let him bolar, not to

make him in the defensive, in retranca. I think I, so, in my alj,

I, training very without kimono, I would have to to confide on my and I would have to always always this game

in theory the goal ideal to be the goal you always is the career entire entire yeah yeah and it's

to focus on this yeah the strategy was that's it's kind of try to find not try not a break

to him to get in back to rasper and put the pressure to pass guard

to get in a mask to get on a me guard there a catagatant

Tame. But, it's difficult to say, when we're not in the end up in the end up.

But it's imagine that's not but it's my chance to get that. It was my chance to

get, it was not. It's like Roger, when I'm like, how is the would be the

situation, I'd have to come up up and not let him to make a guard

and, you know, use my job, use my velocity, my my adjust,

and not I don't have a position that I'd if I'd get some course, but it difficult. A we can't put here with the edition

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