MMA Fighting - Trocação Franca | Treinador Avisa: ‘Tem Que Ter Medo’ do Jon Jones Nos Pesados

Episode Date: March 1, 2023

Jon Jones finalmente está de volta, e o Trocação Franca mergulha no camp da lenda do MMA antes de sua estreia como peso pesado contra Ciryl Gane, sábado, pelo título vago da categoria. O programa recebe Roberto Tussa, treinador de longa data de Jones, e Yorgan de Castro, um de seus principais sparrings para o UFC 285. A sessão Fight Week traz um papo direto de Las Vegas com Amanda Ribas, que duela com Viviane Araújo. O melhor do MMA brasileiro no Trocação Franca, toda semana, com o jornalista Guilherme Cruz e convidados. Jon Jones is finally back, and Trocação Franca takes a deep dive into his camp ahead of his long-awaited heavyweight debut opposite Ciryl Gane for the vacant UFC title. The show welcomes Roberto Alencar, Jones’ longtime jiu-jitsu coach, and Yorgan de Castro, one of his main sparring partners for UFC 285. The Fight Week session features Amanda Ribas, who faces Viviane Araujo on the same card. Listen to Trocação Franca with Guilherme Cruz every week to hear from the biggest names on the hottest topics in the Brazilian combat sports world. Follow Guilherme Cruz @Guicruzzz Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Seniors and Seniors In command of podcast Trocaation Franca and representing the MMA Fighting in Brazil Guillermo Cruz. Hello, lo, my friend of the lot benjined

is the 7th an episode of podcast, Trocação Franca, a sua about this entire entire I'm gonna

be able to mehruis, correspondent of the website American on M.M.A. in the week of a

special, a month of time of John Jones to Oktogono, and I am in the company of

Robert Tussha and Horan de Castro, trainer of Jiu Jizzo and Sparrin of this fight for this battle

against Cirogane and the Cinturon the Cetus and the We've got to be with a talk with Tuss, the Faxa Preta, leader of Grace Barre in Albuquerque, and responsible for afia the

the game of the land for almost a decade, my friend. Mevue, my friend, how has been been working with Joni's, now in this version, Peso-Pesado, for there? It's very different, but I'll say it's more easy.

In the sense, that the opponents, are more easy to decifrae, especially the opponent who we're working now, he has just a side of the striking of his, not,

a lotator complete that's been being being being the champion of the FC, as we've been in

the past in the end up a phase different, a phase that's that motivated

all us not so the John, but the team entire, and I think it's a

phase to prove, more one once that we're the best, not so

the category but the M. the M.A. The coach, the Pound these are the titles

that We're trying to prove that not no questionment in this sector, no, John Jones reigned during much time, when in the middle-pessage, gained athletes of various styles different. There were wrestlers, team strikers, had characters that are complete. You think in the peso-pessed

to be a game more limited, or a guy that is very good in a trocation, or a man-pessada, or a guy who has more wrestling, that no, in general, in the person-peas-person, to someone who can mix everything that's much more common

in the middle pesado. I think the guy more close to this, this level there would be the former champion, the Steve Miotich, which would be the guy that has a wrestling,

that has the part of the strike, that has the power of knockout, and the part of the jujitsu that did for to see when I already I've trained against the steep, with the Overein,

and we got in that guillotina and he said it He's out there was the merit of of his merit of there. So,

it was to show a little that he have a question on the ground

but the majority of the people, I can see Derek Lewis, the proper,

ex-campion Francis, have a unilateral, not a one side on a not an

an athlete complete, let's say, not, and I think we're we're

we're trying about this, the person the always was the reality of

the pes pesas yeah. The John Johnny always tryn't against the

gymas in the academy because he was a real pesed, but he was a kind of a guy a

great. What did you do you know what you know, now? He's actually, he also when you move to category

to do you make a thing to take a time, many the champions there, let's say, the

Adesan, for example, moved to the category of the second, in a short period, he

had a disadvantage of the weight of force and to be able to learn to a piece of a very

so I think the John, when he did this with calm, with a patience, I think he

made a one way, a job of master, to work to work the part physical

of the muscle muscle in the form correct in a form that demand

time, demand it, he, he took bodybuilders to train him

how gain a we don't train to camp like a barrio building but to gain a piece we'd

have to train to be able to get to get in that that's ideal that we'd want to get to get into that time we're starting a part

physical the condition of physical for the heart to adapt to move that amount of mass extra mass musclea extra so I think

this is a part delicate if you not so able to make you comepmenting the result final would be a legitimate

pespeasad, if used to wear clothes, wear with clothes, and be a thing that was a thing was a thing, he was

he recruited the proper team one way, he was out of Jackson Wink, in that time, he was two years ago,

one and me after, I don't remember the exact the time, but he he, he he, he,

he, he, he, he, used to be a person, a person, a person, a trainer, and,

and do sparring, to do jiu-jitsu, to do you, do the part of all, as a part of the whole, as a lot of,

we'd have the time, we'd imagineable that would be a term more than three years, but the reality was this,

three years were pasted, here we're, we're prepared to start a new journey that would be the pesos

those pesasas in the supremacy in the pesed the person. The John Johnny was a guy much

a guy more biggio, not that not that that wascus musculososal and remember when he

when he fented he went to San Bru, he was a guy more more strong. It was even that was quite being from

from the he was that he was carrying him maybe the heavy to maybe he's not that's

not that's that's about three years of a process for he gain the mass but for

not to not get the agility you know you know when he in the academy

he's that he's that he's that he was an one of a very a bar

a level a a power of exactly yeah I've got, I've got

I've got to him. I've taken the team of camp, today I'm just 100% coach of him,

he has the two pairs of the drills with a partner with a friend, he train, with the other,

not with a coach, I'd like to train with him and I'm talking to be to be, and then,

today, not more, the force of him to say, I'm not to say, I'm going to

dobro the force, but he's, it's, a form that the form that he gets the form of

the form of the And the form of physical he gave a, a muddada, but not a lot. Because, as he generates

a lot, when you put in a mass muscular, you distribute in the body entire. So I think he even mentioned,

you know, you should have a John Jones massive, like I think that I think not ideal for the

style of the style of the person who's a lot of a flexibility limited, because of the muscles, and lent too,

It's a thing that he and a we, as a coach, we're always we're going to maintain who you are more strong. So we're seeing a John Jones

in the same form that is more more strong, more motivated, more disciplined, more mature. I think it's an athlete

different, it's an athlete that a better than a lot of the pesasasasas we can't be able.

How is that this last session of what you did with him when you you perceived that not

that it was that it was we're going to we started in 2020 we I started to get to put that the first year

just to put a piece extra and start to make a make a force, I just felt a reality

so the camp entire I don't have an opportunity I had an opportunity but I don't have courage to puller and

do you do a train with him one so that I just I left for the the partners of the

partners of John Jones have weight Imagine, imagine. P, you know, complete on the first of the month

three years of the last last year, he was a lot aparted for a lot of perted to, a lot of people,

what did you have learned in that you were three years there to not just to not so to move

the person to grow as an athlete, evolve too in this area of

a game in general, of the other job, in the jujitsu, of wrestling, what's, from that that's the way we've

seen different in the John Jones, as a lotator? Let's try the form that the lot of the controversy, was for John Jones.

It was, I mean, in my opinion, I satire the new, and I saw the champion, he left that lot there, the last round,

the rounds that does the final, the rounds, that does the he made, he pushed more, he kissed more the He, he procured a lot more.

He ended up with Dominic in the ground. It was a thing that he wanted to have happened a little more before, but some eventualities that happens in a lot, that the game plan was imposed. So, we don't want to take the credit. I think

that was one of the best performance of Dominic Reyes. From there, it was his career of his career, it was three knockouts, I believe that happened. And this is a reality that happens with everyone who confront the John, right?

after you when you're the same a little bit a little one thing he mentioned a time

after he when I went see the story I saw the Cormii many other who were there

not were we're going to gover that the Glover that the Glover who did but he didn't

let her the PTAG and continued and it was being the training and it came the form

that the form that the lot was presenti of strategy of stil of the style of

The credit is the Dom and P. Reyes. What we what we've learned that we're going to be the

question, specify more in the part that John was known as the part of the ground and pound,

the part of the quarter always, it's always but for those were emphaticed not, the part of

the character, I think was a thing in the last last luses did you want

when John can't get the opponents of their opponents of their is a ground and pound their is quite, the finalizations

of their are quite, the psychologic it's a lot of, it's a lot of, when I'm in the phone with John Jones is different,

no importance if I'm if I'm not so I'm not he, he's he can't lead on the ground in

the chain of a barretta façade, the the proper Anthony Smith, when we went to

was a minute. It was a problem that we had in the shone, that had some finalizations for the back, but the John was going to be doing, being, having a problem in a part of the

ground. So, this is a thing that the day, from that little there's always, always put it a focus,

that's the part of the Resc, where he came, so for this fight, we're doing it's complete, we've invested

in the part of kick-box because we're trying a guy that is the kick-box, we're still is still

, I'm going to be up, because he goes to get a lot, he's

a movement much, then when we prepare for a lot, the strategy, there's not that

we can't say, I don't say, but it's easy to, to, to,

to make this charada, so a guy that's a strike, that don't have a ability of

a ability of a ability of finalizations or of controls on the the ground. So the

form is the way the last time of the lot of the lot of going to get to get to the guy that's good of the kickbox

I want to get to get a lot with a lute with a rata. We'd put him to get to do the John

decided to get in up and not put a moment the he wanted to try on. He wanted to

see this hour, we have a strategy but it's in the mind the man's in the

hand the way he he makes he made he made he made he made he

Part of the that the that's in the same, that's in the ground, that's in the ground,

that's the thing you're that's a clear, like it's even more if you look the war

the syri-gannu that's a man who's a man who is known for basically using the mannou

put him to back back with a certain facility so if if you can't do he can't

have been after after this but he not will he not will evolve at point of

to get a wrestler more than the rest of John Jones, but as you said, no, I want to knock out the car, the Syri-Gunner, I want to get him

in the way to get him in-the-posts, in which moment that you perceived, I wanted to do this with him to make sure. It was in the hour of the lot, when I was going to talk about it, no, poe. I'm going to talk about it in parreta, I don't start with no corner, but I was from, why he not

is quothed? And long after the the lot, I said, oh, why the John no quiddle, the Marreta? talking with the coach of the wrestler, and Wizzie, he said, he said,

poe, no see. So I think no, no, I think after the second, that normally, this is of

all the other athletes, first, second round, more study, not that's, so, some,

some, the first rounds, are more I like, to study, and I, what the guy has,

there, for me, well, I can't put my game, so, go,

go, go, we're going, so, so, from the , when,

no, no, no, tentative of the I've got to be, hmm, is he will want to be able to, because John, you mentioned, with a rata, for a rata, a rataa, a rata, so, long after the Pha Pha M.A. You mean, you're to say that all the other

modalities, yeah, you're a Faschapeta also not been graduated of Fajah Tijuana, you don't train of Tijuana. But if it was a graduation of Cimono, I would have a Fash-Pretta for you, because we'd have more 10 years of experience in the ground. You know, basically, all the types of financials, defenses, and you're a lot of

you, you know, you're a lot of Cicester, but you're not a Fash-Pretta, but you're not a Fash-Pretta, of Tijuana, right? This is my strategy with him, you? You're contra the guy that

gradua for victories in MMA that's a athlete that he's not a client that he's a

great over to get a lot of graded the guy on the Jiuhits and I'm going to go the Merecement

for toughness for being a duro the guy is you can get the guy is a black

because anyone of the façap because none of my organization the way I promote the most

the same my students of Jiu Jizu it is for time I'm I'm going to I'm going to

write to write to say your book on the façed a red dot every faxed every fash there's a story for

you want to what the jujits did for you so I want in all the my athletes that's the best the

world of the world that's the person who I entered today with the objective to

dojjjit for hobby so I then I tend the same discipline the same culture

the same ethical, when when it's when it was a way to go the first of the way he had to put to train

he had to learn to learn to learn you know, you know, you know, let's see a a triangle

of the Spadeegarder there and get a judicial basic my fashash roaches have in

a knowledge of the history, of the history and the jusits and the you,

it, the, the benefits you can get the training in the judicis, that's

discipline, humility, character, respect to other, and it's what I want, not so

of my non so the Jiu-Jitsu amateurs, but the most of my professionals also,

too, the fact of his Marrita, by the fact of Marrita by the fact of a rata,

it shows that he has a thing, to show, he says, he says with you he has a

face-o- he's a face-rocious, even being this guy technically, if he would be, if he

was, if he was in front- a-re- -c-d-o-d-tore- maybe to winces and all right. He talks with you to, he's in the head of his, poe, I want to evolve,

I want to pick maroom, because I want to pick a preta. He talks with you to put a kimono, to be training, to try to get this conquist, too, in the Jiu-Gitz? Yes.

The John has this, he said a day, since I was your best, the best of your façapretes, I want to be the first of your

first thing you have been in your life. And I said, this will be it'll be a time, but I'm here to see this. And he came showing, well, I'm the job that I

do with him, is different that I work with my, my, my, I'm different than I'm, not all the student who can't, financiallyly, and with time to invest in private, one-a-one, the way that I work with John and with other lootators of M.A. But

John is one of the players that I've been working for many years, and came working constantly, so. So, so a job of more of eight years together together.

So we have our game just have our job and we're continuing this job.

One of the time when we go to camp the my policy, we'll put

the kimono and train of kimono and we need to be every need to be massive, to

be obsecated with a training of kimono but one two a second in the

same the same the same way would be receiving the your graduation, you'd be

receiving your graduation, and with certainly, for he's been a athlete differentiated and the time that he'd been gasting in the development of the part of the shan, I'd think the time would be

minimum, I don't have necessity to secure him for many in a certain fashion, but it's necessary for me, and for he also, to train as tichimono, to get the essence of jujitsu, you can gain a façed to, you know,

if you have to train a jujitsu to kimono, in my opinion. And on Saturday night, how is you imagine this victory? How do you think that's going to be? You think it's a

really a lot of five rounds, or you think that's a good possibility because for John Jones be so complete and the Ciro Gane a guy more

unidimensional of a passade of a car of John Jones there? Yes, I always vote by the finalization of a form

that be Jiu-Jitsu, that's a ground and pound, that's a knockout, to end, to the last of five rounds, is that we're

waiting. I think it's that's what the team, the John, and the fans are they're they're going

going to dominants, with the ones different in the people are there people are what are you know,

how is the part of his physical of his how is the situation, there's many questions

that are being responded on the Saturday, and I'm I'm going I can't respond a

little before this we're seeing a John Jones different, a John Jones a more

more the agility I think he not he didn't lose much. So,

it's practically a one of John Jones, an avatar of John Jones, let me say this,

that would be a form a form major, but the personality, the form

to look and the carisima that he has been no, I think it has been a

lotator happy, alex, satisfied with a camp, with a team that

he created, he is a guy that has to have to have to be fear, because

a guy that's in secure, that is a malmored, that's a happy, what happened,

I think had to have had been more in the camp, it is difficult. The part mental

influence, it's, so I think in the fight we get to get to the end of

the end of you're not, you're not, you're getting to do you get to do you, I

know, I'm there's, there times that I took the the, the first camp that I came in

the first last, I that I didn't have a camp so so good but I came going on. So, in the day of the Luta

it's a lot this year about this year, how is it going to be the team strong, a team experienced, one thing that's

said there's a lot of three years, but he's been there, there's been there's a lot of there, so there's

different. There's three years that we're not doing for many years, I think he's I think he's not affect it in the part

psychologic, to be to be a pretty out of sea, not, so, are 10 years just doing

dispute and the centuron, no, the guy, I've been talking to him, John, we haven't been

there for a while, but you've been there for a while. This means, we're not not for much time, but we just are there

for much time, if this does sense, so, more than any one that's in the division

there, so we're we're the we're the don't, we're the , we're the chepts,

we're the Octagon. This is is our sport. So we have to try with this attitude,

not dismerecing, respecting our our opponents, but we're not our superiority,

even because the odds are saying that we're talking that we, we're underdog, but I

came accompanying the day-a-day of John, and I know when he is good, when he was in the

head, in the physical and the part technical. So I think the version

of John-J Jones is the he's had until today, because I think that's the

thing you have to see, the other the other he's not he's not he's not he's not

he's he's in the age he's got in the maturity that he has been over a more,

with a force more and an opponent that's differentciated that we never even it's a

a personerer primarily that move like a heavy weight that moves like a

more Gustafs, let me it's it's a it's a have weight, we'll say. So,

a thing we, maybe he's maybe he's a very, he's a question, yeah, I think the

gun, is self-paw, is a thing, the difference, John and Lutus the two

stent, so it's difficult, it's difficult, we, and to get a number of John, in the day.

And you you think that this victory Saturday, we're, we're, that until all the

only, only, he was, he was a champion, in these two categories specifically,

but the John John, we've, a reenado a great in a big and he

got a court of a good, he's a fact that's a victory John Jones, as many times

in the M.A. I mean talking in this interview, in my opinion, I think no,

the necessity of this fight to be to be to questioner to, not have

no, no, there's a matter of this lot, there's some questions there,

but I think that will call the book of those who even don't are

convinced because you'll be a new lot of a new champion, but after it's

a new champion of the I'll break this record, to be the the athlete the other

the champion the first young, the what you will do after this superiority, this 10 years

in victor defending the cituron, and with who you will be going to be difficult

to get this tant of a champion who will be active and pride,

of all in the So I think the reality what John in fronted in the past is it will be difficult to be re-feited, and for someone to get to confronts, these champions, these former champions

that John confronted in the past, no, I think there's a lot of that will be able to get this in front of them. So, for me, it's difficult to questioner, because this story has been

written, and or you would have had done this in that era, or you will not be able to do now in future. So, this question, for me,

just had been this is errant. Today, today, there's many champions, J. J.N.P.R., Many other champions,

the proper Dona White, I say that the John Jones, is the gold. It was the gold. The Poutt for Pound is he has to have to be active. So I think he will go up in this line

to Pote for Pound. Defendering the citron of his, I think he's questionable, even more this, so it's going to make more difficult this

barrier that they put in this bar that they put here, this raffo. This sarah, to superer the John that he has made today.

Until today, no an older more young, no one person who defended the title that's time and for

many times as many times as far as the people, the levels of the luthers that he's been so I think

that's what John Jones today, the goat, in my opinion, not because I train him, but it's

the facts being being presented here. I'm I'm I'm sure for me,

John Jones, I'm all of the time, with all of all of all Cereger of Bollin impressive.

Influidstant, he's up. Influidst not not be against the champion, it's a but there time there's

to make a story even in before you know. You know, never you know, will say, if the Francis says, you

know, if you want to say, I want to know, I want to know, I want to know, he said, we're talking, we're, we

had presented, we'd be, we're we'd be able, we'd front to in March, and the year we'd have said, we'd be able,

we'd want, we'd want to present the, we'd He thought that was Francis. In the final of the contract of the negotiation, we're just going to start a January, midday of January, and then there, no, no, see any one of the

lot. The last Francis, as well, John said, we don't have complete of nothing if this the lot had happened. We were there. We were there to confront the champion. The champion, puller forth. There's a new champion that's going to be. My last question about this category in-sies, the name force of Brazil,

who has come from having to check under this divisal, the maladino, the guy that the area of jiu-git, this has made a job beautiful. Many people, you know, I'm impugated with a car, the guy's getting all the time. As well, as he's in two categories, tantus 9-3,

but he's focused now with the person who's he has done the job of him there, manned him, man,

man, that's, I'll say, I'll say, the, I think the John me brought, the,

uh, me, showed, the highlight, I don't see to see the mutts of Maladino,

no, but, but, I'll talker to him, because he's being a Brazilian, I want

that the Tura come in a form of another the last one last one I think was made with the first

redone, and I'm when a little a little getting on the topes there, John John

is going to out of just out of jiuits and for I have to have to work extra, and it would

be this my votes to him to be a champion when John he was going to he had

a lot of he had to get a with a time in the category in not. Let me

understand the objective of his is to pick the stuturon, defend for some times and end up a career

of the caro of gold, right? He mentioned this, it was what I'm saying because we're not going to

talk about, what is the future? We're going to the next is our objective now. And if Steve

came in to look, we'll we'll look with Steve. If we came, the Curris Blades,

we we'll look with Curzblades. And the Brazilian, what is the rank of him

now? He's, I think is 10th second. He will to be, now,

the Jaising, Rosentruck, in the pastime. I was, I was going to see a, I know, I'll see a idea of this

lot of his little bit, but honestly, I don't have time to study, normally we study the

people, we'll go, will, go, who he looked in the past,

so this, basically my focus, and this camp, specifically, but, but,

I'm sure, I'm always, I always, I'm, I always, I always I always, I always,

I always, I'm, when I'm not going to with John, with the Holly and with the people that I train here. But, but, I'm going to be to try it for the Brazil

always is going in the top that we're, we're, we're the car chief and the M.M.A., we're the creators, the VAL & All Right, so we have

much to show even, I think the Brazil will be always in the superiority there, always forming new champions and it's been provaded this year after years,

so for we to finish. And how are your career? The last one the last year you did was in 2019, you know, have plans to return there,

or now are just as a trainer, as a coach, and not enter more on a tatami? Exactly. The championship

of grand non- was the Worldial Master, that I came being a champion in 2019.

I lute the Worldial without kimono of adult, I came me,

me, me, to get to the adult, I'm almost 40 years and I ended up a first year

but I'm doing a part of the I'm doing a little bit of a little bit I'm doing this father and

I'm going to have a involvement in five academies of this barra here so I don't know much with M.

I'm a I even much with those other loters that I was working today I'm basically just with John and

with the Holly Home are the some two that I'm that I'm started a time

a time So, so they've finished the luda their, practically to put a pause on this

there. And I'm trying to go to my roots, to have time to train to the competition.

The competition the World Master is a competition, a game, a classic, it's a

thing that has been, it's growing and I always I always

to look to and I need to to be time to me train to one,

one once that I'm when I try to try to try to do it

difficult. So I have to par a little with the MM. My son's growing here. So I'll let's a little of the family to side. I can focus a lot of training for the competition. I believe I can't compete for the the past few years. In the past,

the Master, the Worldial Master, Pan American, these things, all that. It's a thing that I like. More and more, more, it's personal to, for development, personal. But for now, this is 100% focused on family in the business, that are not the at the academies and

those looters that I've been working today, the John, should be in here very, yeah, I believe, we're going to we're going to

we're going to be a while, so, there's a time for a game, we're going to get a lot of every way, see who would be the next. I think it

should be or Steep or Francis de-volta, it's what they'd want to. Superlutas. With certain, Camarada,

thank you, thank you much, thank you much for your time in this career of Fight Week good luck in this

end of time in the corner on John Jones in Las Vegas Thank you William thank you and a brother

and a lot of we'll have to talk with York of Castro of CaboVier we got the Juno Cigano in the last

Lute and the final the champion anti-delija in his start in the PFL and were

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infanto-Divolioli, my friend-in-vente, my friend, the podcast, how is it being this cape there, to stay in the car, and then the champion. Okay, I'm here, I'm here in New Mexico

now, it's trained, it was very good because I pegged the same camp that John Jones' started doing. And we're just in this camp. And, And this is the

I wanted that I really really, for me, this is a is a lot for the CETT. I know

that the format of the NFL not that's to be to come down to come down, enter

by the front and to show that I'm coming to to Africa. Ficae. It's a got a

thing to play the because you're getting, the guy two months after after he's

two months that's that's that's it man, in my my head I'm going to

look at the same I'm going to the champion I'm going with the first of the first of the

year of the year ago was a year ago was finalist the other one after me I'm not

for me I'm don't know past he he had an excellent campaign there know-kautio

a lot of people nocautio including in the final in the final in the

first round how you see the style with him a guy a man

a person a man who just two There are two derotas in the NFL to Capelosa, how you think that your game, house with him, how you

think this battle in April? I, I, I, I really, I liked very much of this Lut, Fer. He is, not only, he is good of Strike, he, he is very good, the wrestling, I think

he is Jura, he's a Blackbell of Jura, and there a good, it's very hard, it's very hard, there's many, there's many, there's many experiences, but I, I,

I believe that I have the power of knockout and I can't even quote to that I'm very well trained. I'm going to get there, very well trained. And we'll see. And how do you help you have made the camp with nobody more than John Jones? Farr, this is not

not only the part, the part physical, but the part mental is what it's the way you know, because you know, to train with the car, not does you know, but,

but it's, that upgrade in the manner how we see, see the look, in the manner how we can't the,

the adversary, and I, I'm very, very valid, I'm very prepared. Yeah, we've conversed, the first time,

there's practically one, there, before you're, before you just, you're, you're,

you're, you're, how, how did you, you've been, you've been, when you're, as a

athlete since then. It's like I'm a part of the part of the part of he's a

very in to show that you're more more ability than you know

what you think. I thought that I thought that the Nogator and no I can

have a good wrestling, have a good and the day-a-day will

show that he he wants that we want to be more and he

evolve more for me it's been top, top, I'm going to show up, this process

here, and get there and look at and show the evolution. You want to show, but I'm

imagine that the desire, will be always be to knockoutial the guy, never, you know,

put, enter there and start the end up, it's that I want to

see, this is my dream. With with so, how is

how is being being, accompanied the evolution of his as a one of the

worst champion of the history to be the best of me, the first of after the

time, he's going finally start as the heavy as now

now now against the Siril Gunn how he

was he was this last year of the

evolution of adaptation to to finally to return

the octagon he. He's He's just He's just He's just I've got

I've got I've got He's just I've got He's got 15 1516 kilos Yeah he Yeah

He's already In 120 kilos Very very strong Very strong Movement also I think he I think

The people I say As far As far When you You're You're playing with He's just

Yeah day of course You're He's gonna He's really He's very rapidness And the

Cardio Top top I've done with my life whole. I'm going to say I'm going to

talk about I'm here but he's differential man, there's a fight that another level

can't adaptate between the assaults he's here to make a set different fecese

and no no problem with anyone with anyone with there's much force there's a

wrestler high level the jihits of his also I'm very I I believe

personally that he can try to with a serer, I can't be a little bit, but then what will happen in the I don't know, but

the guy is another level, he's another level, and is a very proper physically, and the 4th of March, you can't be able to be

good. My great curiosity is how is he will be physically, in movementation, of velocity, because, he practically

was a person was a person who would be for 93 kilos, and he always trained with the pesos

pesters in the academy. No, it's a boy, John Jones never

trained him with a lot of he's not he's not he's not he'd and I'm

think that he's kind of kind of kind of to be being used to how he

is the game of it's not it's a movement and you know, he's been

being a way of training with him with him maybe he maybe more less less less than

more compensating with some compensating with Combezzar with the force, now the soco his power

of the encage, he's with good power of the encage I'm my business is a put in this day

he's fudder. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,

he's always was a 10, 112, 15, 10, 11, 10, 10, 12,

he, he's always the, the, the, the, the, the,

he, he, he, he, he, he, he, That is what the people

see. The guy is a very obsequier. He is sinister. If he not could be, if he not if he was

well, he would be to look at the PSPesad. He's never seen a person more more than he.

It's obseqar with all all the training, and if he not tvers if he not had even in

the point he not he would think you would be your the other council

Gany, the the the the lot that was he was he was

the champion, but it's just he didn't enter in a contract with the F.C. You think

the Riga is a more little bit difficult, less complicated compared to what would do you know?

No, Fere, it's that the whole is thinking that the Rion is more difficult. No,

the Ingaone is more difficult. The Ingaone had the power of the no-court. The Ciroil won't,

when it was the last time he won't one person. He gained the Taito and Vass the other the luster of his

was decision. He, he, he has the power that the French

Ingaone is a perigue constant. The Cyril Graham can't movevented,

he is a person unique, he has the differential of him.

He has a way to look or he chuta well, but

he, but we know that he not have wrestling. He don't have

wrestling. The Francine got to do you do the do what did

do the wrestling. The French I was in the I'm not even a wrestler,

now, he's a now. Now imagine the the wrestling John Jones, and the Jiu-Jitsu and the ground and pound

that all know those people have been short the distance. The thing will, the chaper will get to

Serer-Gern-Gar. And the Syri-Gar-G not a peser-reiber, very great. He pays what, 110,

10, 12, kilos, it's a lot of a lot of John- John. No, there

No, no, no, I I think, in my opinion, that the guy no one is the most difficult. The John Jones, he is a guy who has many knockouts in the career, but, as you said, but as far as he was going to be those plowels, the ground and pound,

and he took, for example, the cornea, that he accepted a shoot, that he sent you, but he never was a guy as known as a kind of a single that a knockouteer,

but you think now, now, as a person more power, gaining more force, gaining more peso, this, it could be that this could be that's a shot,

a knockouted, Sirrigan. Yeah, it's, this is more one thing that the person that way,

I don't know. I'm a, I'm a, and the, one of the first, the first of my was in the

war, I couldn't, no-contra to me, fearing, never, I could, not a-

-ah-ha- when I sub- when I sub- when I sub- when-pressed, that-l- you, you're,

you can- carry more 10-kil, more 15-kil, the force I'm saying he's trying he'll he'll have

to do this pespe and this can't be able to end up and so for we

get to go out of the FC is going to look at boxing talking in Tyson Fury

other other events are interested in trying to try he he

Bellator said in this in Japan also also the rising

said the the leaders of the PFL have

also to have the interest in the Enganu. And what I'm in a was the Rangor was who, you're in Ganyahu, who said, you're a lot of Ganyahu against Eugenia? Who, I mean, it's going to win the Noghlegerna, the guy, went to PFL.

Let's say, GEN. Let's say that. Go to do you. Go to dox, go. No, he's in the box, don't come for PFL, no, por.

No, but he is good, he did good, he's been to go right to try to have, if you

don't know your value, the people, I just will do it be well, and go to

box, not want to know, but he gets money, but that get out of the PFL,

PFL, P, poor. Decision intelligent, dear, diso intelligent, my man, thank you,

but I'm, it's always the pleasure to talk with you, good good in this

this lot of this little and good good luck the job this show this show

with a big over thank you thank you thank you thank you and to finish the podcast

this week we back the time we'll talk about this Saturday

to meet with the compatriot Vivianneros yeah we're gonna yeah yeah Wanda RUXXX

2805 Las Vegas one of the event most the event's most the return of John Jones,

finally, after a long and telebroozo in the winter. We need to see the stoutureau also in the Peso-Mosca,

and will have a Amanda Ribas going to the octogono after the, after a almost one

even, from the last the last the last time how you are seeing finally, finally,

end up in the jaulah and then I'm trying I'm feeling really, I'm feeling like this

This time the Luta Saya, because the other time I did all the preparation all the unfortunately the not happened

I'm going to try it again in the PIA and I'm in the day of the time of the Luta in a week of

the time to get to get my job, and be happy there in the last. The Lutraulte was a lot

against Tres Cortez that came in the time it's been to make a bit of a margo yeah

to do do you to do the work but to get the hour and not

do the work in you know, you prepared so far it for that you not say it is the part

most most for me is when when I get on the photogno yeah to put

the work to put the job because the camp not not even not

but the but the lot is the most good of the whole everyone

you watching you get to what I live Yeah, unfortunately you

have been various Lutters in the last few years yeah, was a Michelle Ootterson more of one a way, Angela Rill,

the creatrice Cortez, just think it's really that will when it's not when Bruce Buffer an uncied the name,

yeah, even when does the the one I did the the last the lot of it came up

so when the Bruce says when the name there, because then the carcels accelerates

the burboletino in the stomach has been to Yeah. A still this nervousism so?

Oh, so every every. You know, I think that I think everyone feel like

nervous, but I think who can't control the nervousism. Because I think when you know

I think the tensons in the lot, because it can't be caro, caro,

God, after the after the years, the time the time the more you can't

you back the what you might be it was to do not to know what

she's what she's what she is the part that that's a never that's a little bit of the end of the

I'm in the other. Because a we trainer because I think my major, my major my main

is the not to get to get to the octagon because it's so frustrating in the academy,

the training, I can't do you imagine to get to not in the octog I'm not

so if if I'm I'm going to do do you can't do do the what

What do what did you do Traynor to Cortez for the training of Vivianner today? You took a lot in the other there's like

me and did you end up a camp in the other what is a different than what is a Vyvii tries that Tres

Cortez maybe not not was too good in a area specific a Vibbe also is very experienced

I think she is more experience than she I have to get to be much expert with the

manzona with her and with she and with she's very good of the chan too

to be in front with all. There's some area of the other you see this area here, she's good,

she's there's a point in all, I'm going to her in the way, I'm more than she's my, I'm

a pass to front of her. Nassie, this question I think I think I I respond with total conviction

that I think I think I'm better is the want to because I want to want to do

because I do whatever do whatever do whatever and get and get in a lot it's

really really I just I've seen this one once and when came my other lute I went to be my other and I'm sure that I'm going to happencee

this thing, that's a lot of the actresses of cortezerite, you'll be dispejews. You're going to dispejews, I'm going to get, oh, what? What's the plan for the next step in the doctor obviously, win the is something more important,

but what you pretend to do the next step in this question of category, you've got done those two there,

vencering done those two, but I think that's trying maybe the moment of you batte a martel,

no, this here, this here, this here, this, I just think in this lot,

of 57 kilos, in a moment, is the category, but I, more to depending on the result of

the 52 kilos, that I feel good, me Sintu Firm, and the good is that when I Lute in 157, I can't accept a lot in the hour.

I'm always I'm trying, I don't parrower to train, so I'll be prepared in physical, in mental, in the techniques. It's just a question

of the 152, I need to be a time in a more, you know? So I pretend to continue on the two, but if the

UFC, say, ah, the two weeks, after two weeks, 5, 7, back a week, you're doing what the back staca did during a good time. She said

she said, she's going to be a martela, that she was going to deced after this last year ago, but she was going to be the same way, but she was the same way the same thing to be a more, for 5.7, I'll pick a lot with a week, like, her first. The idea is that. Because you're new, you can get there, you can, quite you're ench the bolster of money,

does your career, does your name, but I think will get the moment that you will bathe the martel he will choose for one. This one will be the 5-2. You think eventually will be your

cause to your cause the second I think I think my composition muscular,

that I don't can't decide so-sue my own my decision so-sion, I think

to see what I'm feel my my composition muscular that my my team technical

I think I think it depends the result of the the after this

life after the after this Cortez, even? Or, after she

did you start to get spiraling and then not more. I'm in the want to do you know,

to all the whole whole that's a little bit more, moving, and I'm going more than more than I,

with her, with the question. You're, you're, because you are in, ranking,

in two visions. This is the advantage of doing how you did, like a, like a bat staca

did too, of any, of any any of any time, so you get been rank-y-a-old there's, there's a thing that's

like this, I think that's that you're in your front of the ranking, is it's her that you're going to be

a question that would be a question a name better winning this last night. Oh, the Vibia

is number seven, so I'm, so I think if God wants to if God, I'll be get to pick

the number five, four, three, don't, you know, have to go to be sub. Because when I

I looked with a Keatlin she was the number two of ranking so I think we have to have to say a grand we have to

make a name and you're saying the I think you do it's not to say the name. The fight

Kaitling imagine that has been getting got engaged because the way you know

you entered you know you not was 100 I had a lesion on the

and even so it was a decision divided against the number two of the number two of

the world if you would if you would be possibly There's that gochin' marvell, to say,

po, clearly that's all a part of, a preface, but it's a lot that's a lot something that's something that's,

if you were, if you were, if I was 100% there, if I'd have been able to that way, I don't

think, no, because I'm a did that the people say, if my my mom had a barbara,

my father. And, and cabelo, now, and cabel, and I'm I'm thinking very in

no, no CIN, it's, it's It's happened, I've looked everything I could have had been better, I know my best.

Passed, passed. Passed, passed. If I went in front of it again, I know what I can do to do, I'm going to do. The past, it's just, it's passed.

Marilla, just to finish, the focus in the future, it depends, of this Saturday against VIV. How is Amanda Arbiz,

vense this lot on Saturday? Amanda Ribbas wins this lot on Saturday with a bonus. Copeland for this money? Ah, first

I think of to do you make a churrascone with my team, you know? Because we get so focused on the lot so focused

that sometimes even like even who's on our side. And I think to thank to thank you to eat,

eat, so first I think to do this. Then, we'll invest a little we'll see the next

the process. The next this week this week. Thank you. Thank you very to Robert Tussie, and Horace Amanda Rivas

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