MMA Fighting - Trocação Franca | UFC, jornalismo e futuro do MMA (c/ Alexandre Lemos, Connect Cast)

Episode Date: December 27, 2023

2023 chegou ao fim e o mundo do MMA inicia um novo ano com mais perguntas do que o costume. O Trocação Franca recebe em seu último episódio da temporada o líder do Connect Cast, Alexandre Lemos, para analisar o esporte por diversos prismas, do papel da imprensa às próximas conquistas dentro do octógono em uma resenha de 1 hora de duração O podcast traz, ainda, Bibiano Fernandes explicando com exclusividade sua saída do ONE Championship, e o invicto Igor Tanabe comentando a carreira no RIZIN. O melhor do MMA brasileiro no Trocação Franca, toda semana, com o jornalista Guilherme Cruz e convidados. 2023 is in the books and the MMA world starts a new year with a ton of questions to be answered. Trocação Franca welcomes Connect Cast host Alexandre Lemos to close out the year and look at the sport through different angles in an hour-long chat, from the role of MMA media to in-cage performances. This week’s podcast also features an interview with Bibiano Fernandes, discussing his departure from ONE Championship, and undefeated prospect Igor Tanabe breaking down his upcoming bout at RIZIN’s NYE card. Listen to Trocação Franca with Guilherme Cruz every week to hear from the biggest names on the hottest topics in the Brazilian combat sports world. Follow Guilherme Cruz: @Guicruzzz Subscribe to MMA Fighting Check out our full video catalog Like MMA Fighting on Facebook Follow on Twitter Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello, hello, my friend of the centisimum first one episode of the podcast Trocaceau Franca, a new

house about this immense Guilerm, for me, it's a honor to be here talking this idea with you. The things are

going very good. The thing is finally getting trying to try to work in a studio

more. We want to have been the possibility to do more to do more to a

year to so, not could be going better, both in the environment

in the personal, and the time, taking this time to recrugug

the energy, this is the the gravaations, to January, to start to rebent.

First, the agenda of January, is the Roger Grace, so we we're going to start the

year of the jukes. But we're going to podcast, I'd that you wanted to talk about your

story, for who know, how you know, how is you came to do you

know, how is it's, the interest for Jiu-Gits or art martial in general?

The interest for a lot is very new, I, like a majority of the youngs who were the

movie of Jean-Clood Vandami so I'd like to the Luta Karekid so I'd that's a shot shoot,

he broke an gelo, you're the guy more the guy more the man's the world and

my dad got to much of Jujits Jiu-Jitsu Defesa Pes'I so he put in a academy of Jiu-Gitz

very traditional here Niteroi that Academy Orient of the Grand Master Amelio Aruda who

Durin, also, where he trained Durin, where he trained the one of Durin' Ramon Lemus,

a series of fairas of Jiu-Git's trained there, the academy more traditional of the city. I've done

during many years, then with this my prim, Ramon, who is one of the founders of Atos,

with Andrey Galvon, migreed to Andre-pedernieres there, in Sobrado there, in Botafogo

and Flamengo, and I train there for my passion for luts. But, the life me took out of

sport, because I never paid the price that they were the car's about the story of and who

who can want to be an athlete to say, I said, I said it has a lot or if you

want to do the want to say it and pass, when you see the price that you have

to pay, I prefer not pay. I'm to say the faculty of education physical,

I did the administration I entered in the market financial, and

since then I'm a career very satisfactory in the market financial. Inclusive,

I'm going to move to a while during a period, and then when I went to San Paulo

to Rio, to the real, I'm in the bank of the Utah, I went to a bank,

I'm going to see the you're in the major bank of all, you're going to get to a bank

big men, you know, start to see that the things don't work on how you are used

to work to come a man, I, Guillem, or I do you that reclama

and not does. I said, I'm going to turn this guy. I'm going to enter in the

market digital. Because I not had, I sentia a fault of a authority digital and

there was a profile, on Instagram, a channel on YouTube, nothing. And I

resolved to do do you do a podcast was 2021, if I'm me

Gondon. Podcast was in the middle of the pandemic, everyone in house

and I'm I'm going to do you're doing a podcast to follow on the model

MesaCast to talk about anything so that my first interview that's

not even not not been on the other was with a company, a

company that recicla a paper and put in the something a

part of a part of a if he was thrown he was a plant, the paper

of the paper and then then I'm talking with a friend of the superintendent of CVM that's a

commission of the values which does the regulation of the private

the wealth of the bolsa of the bolus of the money but when I said

when I talked to the topic that I put down it was some of other

things had done I think the people Fouciful and me see talking about about about LUTA than any other issue.

It was a poor-missom the first month of the first one of the first conversation about Luta, if I don't me can't

me was with Andre Pederneras and then the conversation with Vinicio Anthony gave a

viralized at point to everyone start to try to the channel to make

direct on Instagram and, and saying, more interviews and all the and after

these interviews, who was Dedet Pedernero Pedro Rizu and Vinicio Antone, I canceled a, a,

a, confidence for the other actors of the other luthators that I passed to pass

messages and they're accepting. And then it, it's it's so, it was

Murillo Bushtamante and all the others that you have to see until today so it.

So, so, NACTSCAST. And, you imagine that would be able to turn this success,

that you would be able to be a reference in this segment of podcast, of MesaX,

in MMA in Brazilian? I, no, not imagine it, in the initial,

I felt much really, I'm really, I'm better than I, you know,

you, know, that the lute, that we that is considered grand, when you

look to all the other possible in this, including in the sport, you see that he's

a little, and then I say, I'm going to have a time to talk to someone,

who comes a first who came to come to two, I don't imagineable that would

be the internet was, still it, in my opinion, a place a lot of, there's much

thing that can be made in the internet, and I know, I know, so I

know that I'm in some way, but, you know, that thing? I know can do

so I do that but you don't have certain of the you know, 80%

I'm, 20% is that faith. It was more or less so,

and then always trying professionalize every more. A we will buy

a camera new, we'll do a different and we're going to put more

more more for that the quality of the video be more for who

people will be a audio to the audio also because I

think the audio is even more more more because without video,

you can't observe absolutely nothing absolutely nothing so I

imagine that would not it would that would that

certain in the time that did, you know? I think the answer in the niche

the whole is a lot of you can compare with other sports if I go to

talk about about but I think for one side that's also also to

also people always always the access to the we have the

access to the other more is more than if you compare with

a bit football a not that you say a podcast

absolutely great that for Fulmini is a champion of the Libertadores the Marcello is there last time

to be in the course you be a podcast this time in a casette TV of the you don't get to interview

anybody of relevance actual but but in our Boer the Alexander Pontoja Gainocto

on Centuron on Saturday on interview he's on the day so it's so it's much more accessible

much more more fast to produce content so so you You can't, the your format,

is a format that is a more difficult because he is front-a-front so. Presential. Presential.

We have to have to get to get a guy to a time legal, that the

guys pass to the business, right, he's in San Pao to the real to

live to to give to you. So, gain a relevance to our bowl,

it's more, it's more you can get, you make,

you you do you do, you said, you said,

So I don't the dimension that you have to accessibility to these people because I don't was the middle.

So I didn't know that I would be able to get access to these lotators in a

manner so, so, so, so, so, because the guys are

very solicit the majority of them don't come on top. So they know,

the how important is to give the attention to who are coming

something something, and more, the majority of the lotadores have a

good to talk about the story to tell you to talk about a lot of you know, and the

car to work on really a thing to the whole that he doesn't know, I don't have noceau you know the

you know, you can't have a barrear of a general I'm talking to the charles, I've interviewed the today, let's

in terms of media, is the major in the world, between the champions and not champions, he is the major.

It's atrapoling the latin of the cacho. The chasua is naturae. Between the champions and non-compiones, he is the major. But you, even so can't talk directly with a

guy, are presentially with a same thing, the Alex Poitam, always that's in the Rio, is available to try a idea. This helps

much with relation to NISC is a minor than it is a football. But, but,

I don't know, I don't I knew of this until I started to do it and when

it was it was in I'm going to I'm going to get the entire of the entire and I'm

my brother, the guys are like, it's an artist, it's a artiste martial,

but those artists are the guys most solicit and disposts

to try a idea with the media that I see until I'm

I'm I'm I'm the studio to the other airport, Centres-Dumon, today, the guys

are down down to the airs, and get in my car, they're in my idea, and I'm going to go to the destinations, and

I'm happy for that, because you get a notoriety and the point of the guys, I'm going to the United to go, and I'm going to

go to gozo, porh, I'll say, more what? Good, good, you see, you see, a difference

in general, that's a guy, the people, the people, the more accessible, or less accessible

than the The people of MMA, we've got stored 10 years and who's getting on today, who's is turning a

star really, in terms of facility to because you think, the guy who looked at M.A. in the decade

of 80, he's accustomed with a intensity of the coverage of the press, there were

many, and then there was other bias, too, the journalist martial was more

to get a bandeer and to look because it was out of the bowl of the Lota, was very preconceited.

And then, the FCC exploded in 2010, 2011, 12, everyone wanted to talk about this, the car was in all the different places, and now,

a guy that's a guy who's a show now, and it's a starry for day, this guy, just enter in other patamar,

so you, you know, to say, to have to, get to, to, to convince the guy,

and to the time, it's more easy with the gallery of the Antigua, it's more more easy with with who have a

mind more open to be in a other level, has a lot of kind of a car, I think is the same thing,

oh, the people today have more notion that the media is a way of a double for him.

Antigaminted was a very little and it was a revista, remember, the time BTT and shoot-box

so you have that you lance of very very very good with

you're going to because if not the guy was dis-ststigued in the

interview that you did it looking at looking at this I'm pasts

for this I'm I'm I remember when the Charles entered in NFC

phenomenal there got one won't one two in B C't

a matter two pages two pages contando there the victory

there in the NFC and and there a lotto who'd he's a time to be a lot of

I'm in the FIC for I'm never had a time of the other than I'm there's a time of the other page

so it's another other another era another mentality that's that's the car

does it's infinite, does it's quite the matter if you want to the guy today, I'm more notion of the importance

that this has to the carreira of him You see the Charles of Bronx, a guy that, porra, as I just said here earlierment,

a guy who rapado as he is, solicited not just by the press national, but also by the press

the country, maybe be the the lot of the number of the number of the

number of the guy, he made in the interview with me in the

question, I'm because who can't be seen, the guy has this notion So,

I think the I want to want to make a question, come here and say to be here in my

state, see, it's not no, it's not tomorrow, I'm going to the other

they know, the guy, is good, I'm going, I'm going to be there someone that even

not me know, I've made a question of jiu-gisso with MMA because

different the the public was quite the same the person that was the guy that

was the jiu-gis that was the Jujitsu are who represented a Brazil on Brazil

on Valle and I want to the people of the jiujits I know the the stories

of the lot of MMA and vice versa and I think it also aggreged

the order to call the people people I'm I'm you know,

I'm I'm the people of the part of the work

of being not notated about mediated talking although

I've never never never of the guys of the guys of the

program, very very and the first there are the first of the time,

but I think that the guy has been in the agenda the same, part of

my work is being being seen on the social on

YouTube and the and the part of that he's not a

whole people and of people to know people are

I'm sure in the interview of Charles man

was a question you see the the What's more has notoriety

with Alex Poitin say, I have to be, my brother, because if I have been a time, Alexander,

I think in the interview, my patronessonator has reclama. Look, it's a guy that's the guy who's

the soco of his after 10 years, not be so hard, the reaction of the

goalps not be too, the capacity of him to react and be other.

What is going to go back in this Guelern? Legato. And the legado,

and you construct today, particularly, in the internet. Sears feats can be marvellous.

If quite nobody know, it's not going to get it. Antigamating, we've seen

many, in the many cases were in justicated because not they're a fam,

you know, so, so, the guy was very good, but nobody

was much moral, in any any sport, you know, the

rival, was a man, but he , he was always

always like, like, too, there's like, today, now do but it's another world,

not it, not it, not it was, there's, there'd be in the globe, the band, to be able to

talk to you, today, with the social, not can't be the people,

not, if you, if the group, she doesn't you know, you do you do sozino in your

social and you, you do, be seen been remembered, be mentioned, you, you can

it, it's it, it's a attention. So if the car today,

in a f. Any other something, he is very good, but he not have a

recognition public, he don't have much attention, part of the fault is of him

because he can do it and he can't do and apparently he not doing,

he not he's not being in this discussion in this, in the debates

of programs for the proper. Exactly. And so, and so, who is the fan who don't care

what that he curts does in the day-a-day of his car want to know this guy the majority of the people who curts in

a lot, like I do you do a I'm much of the people are in part of

what they are how is this guy is so much how is this man can so young in a peser

the age how is this guy so much this can't so disposed and And then when the

lotador the opportunity of the public see this through the Instagram of his through the only

fans of him and the podcast that he participates he makes he makeshabilms he's an man to be a way of

this year new, you know, car, difficult the the lotator says, poe,

I don't go, because I don't want, the more difficult of my model of

the business is like you said, it's it's presential you're to make the agenda

the car so incage in the demand of your podcast. This is the part difficult.

Now, not want to you know, what was the last what was the last thing, the part of the

for me, today is inviable, no way. For you, who is the guy that you don't

get to get interviewer, the guy who will be the interview of your son, but who

didn't have an opportunity to invite, to try, to try to try to try to

try to try, and I want to do you want to do you want to

not not a guy, not is a guy that I have a guy that I like,

like, an idol, I'm idol, an idol, I fris I'm a

idol in the sport because idolatra the person is very difficult one way that you not are with her in day a day you don't know

but in terms of idol in sport the Rickson Grace is a interview that I want to do you want to do you know

the philosophy of his jiu-jitsu is phenomenal there's much to agregar you know the same

you asked you asked was to do you was to do it was a interview a day

with Rixon and Ruehs on the same mesa. Not caring of rivalry, not caring about who would be in getting to get into this point,

but see what these two guys that were, cars that were that were really that helped a path mental

that we were today, trocating a same in the same I'm, I think, I would

I would I would I would be this would be so much these things, and that

could be pass messages to this guy that's that's trying to continue for this and for the

enthusiasts of all this that's the other this is the jobidia of my sons,

Rickson and Ruhus sent out of there, trying a idea, because if I say to say

to you, Poh, the chan-Mah Poh, the Maneerer, mannero, but I tell

one thing, in the imaginario of fan that curte and some these guys will pass

I dovido these guys summiring the media like Rickson and Ruehs summed in Ruehs

but not not summed the head of the the people who see they look

for me this is loco understand it's a non-mustraging of people much

minor is a number of people but for the people in the

other of Rue January of Rue Jeneer these two two these two

two my sono as the communicator was to put those two

in a place a time in a time and then I'm going to be where there's the intercession

between the ideas of these two guys that in some moment there's a intercession there.

Concorded in a series of things, I don't have a no doubt and they don't know

and I'm would be the abse of the Koneck-Kash. Well, this would be a

for you pass in paper-view. Exactly. Passed to the free, it would

be a present too. The guy has to have to do a tribune, he, to pay a troco there to be a poor, it would be historic, really. For me, my brother, man, man, man, this value much more

than a conversation with Connor Megregor. Saccoa? No, no. It's the type of things that nobody does, that nobody does, exactly. Exactly. He's been talking to, he's, say, la, d'Odown, in some

event of box, who's an interview to him, you know, because, the interviewer... It's a... It's, because who are out of the parada thinks that

it's a parable. But to interview an Conor, for example, in a event numbered in San Paulo

that he came to come to not a possible, you know, join Rickson in Ruehs

in the same mesa, differences put out of the studio and those two are they trying a

idea, my man, this is the fact, virtually, virtually not,

car, the right, the different proportions, I, if you were talking,

I remember of a interview completely alliotr, that I could do you, it was a movie, that was a MMA, had a carate,

it was a lot of things, in the interior of San Paulo, I think, 2009, I, that the organizado was the person,

he brought us as a guest, he was, I went to get with the two put those two

in my front like, look, if it was if you were it, you're in the interior

San Paulo. And the guy, the guy, the grabator, car, we'll do a re-saint here.

I'll have a new have a table at the table on the other. I'm sorry

for the man, it's quite a story it's a it's a rickson and the ruse

and the guys are the bar so they're being rezying on a bar

you're you're you're talking that you're that was elected as a

prefect of that the time of Ernesto Ruste and the Francisco Philo who

he's the major the most that you understand you're

talking. Yeah, I just a typical different, that's not that's the kind of thing. And in the other way,

and in the other point of the spectrum, I don't want to ask who you deception, but

what was a deception of a interview, or because it didn't you imagine or that

the person was a person who was the person, but maybe the situation that the situation that the

situation, that's a question, man, there, there was a second time, there,

a convidate who came in studio and combined that not he's a

I said okay, okay, it's a interview is not about to say to say the

we're not we'll see so, we'll see so, he proposed this in the

middle of the he he came to say the car that not the

position that the person that he was he didn't completely the

I'm I said, I said, I said, I said, I said, car I was talking, I'm going to be impacted,

so, and then, I, without, I, I, I, I'm saying to try to give some talks on the guy in the middle of the resenia, but, not flew. The resenia,

imagine the same, I'm going to interview a, a lotator, Charles will make a dispute against Macachev, and he comes to say that Charles

didn't even that's there, I thought I thought that I'm a little doid I'm a

communicator a person who I'm how I say, I'm going to say, I'm

not disrept to me I had to have heard and be it the opinion of the

guy with the time you know you know you know you're not

you're but I'm a communicator very a maturro and it

came the conversation passed to be the point

of view of his point of his problem of his and then it was a question of

it's not that it's not it's not I'm not it's not it's a that I'm that I

mean I'm I think that I was the I'm the that I less

I mean I didn't have mystria to do you she I'm

free as how the many of them have been I'm

I think this great difficulty yeah of this interview with a

meeting with a meeting with a meeting is a bit of the other and he's getting saying about things that he said

he's saying he's just that he's saying he says saying, right, so at least get in a moment that he says,

oh, blah, boh, boh, oh, man, let's just, calm there, oh, calm there,

that, yeah, and then, and then, after this, I've learned the, I'm,

I'm, it's, it's, it's, a program opinionative, I always I'll always go to

my opinion on the table. But when the theme is a little more more delicate, if it's a theme

where the opinion of my and he's just putting the opinion of his little important.

If it's a information that the convidated pass, is disinformation for who people

are going interceded to a way subtle. Entente the difference, Guillem. If it's

the opinion of it, not did difference any for Guilerm, that's

my audience, Guillem, you're going to discord, the problem now, if he said to be

a detergent you get 10 kilos of I'm going to say, no, no, no,

no, don't know, no, no, I'm going to get a point,

will be people, there's, people, we've got, because I know this

responsibility as the communicator that I'm always, and I say, this resume that I

said, was the less levy of all the resenies that I

did, and I don't feel very much for me not by me, not by the

problem is he I'm I'm not I'm not I'm I'm always

I'm I'm I'm always so I'm so I'm responding to

your question there there was this the other the

life you just just to protect the interviewer three times of 200

interviews after after the interviewstated say, caramba is that this here

this here is like this you can be like you take I want I want

I'm three three three I'm and a I'm

a issue very very very very very very delicate even that the car

like you well for two three hours of conversation, the guy

just he's a interview and you say, you say, porra, my man,

have you have been certain, just in these cases, because the premise there is,

go to get the way, right, because if was on the live, not have not there

is a very delicate, and the guy, this can be a problem absurd,

you can try, I'm I'm going I'm I'm, I'm, I'm

there's not test moral for nobody, if you you know that you

say, you you maintain that you know, three times just. And the our middle is so

so big enough that you create it's impossible. It's possible, not it's possible, not it, but with many people,

you create a relation of proximity, not a but you create a proximity so the person, so the guy,

you feel like to say, things that he not would be so, then the guy forgets that

in a person, so you know, so you know, so you know, so, he's, so,

he says, he doesn't, don't have in house, so he doesn't, so, He didn't forgets this detail, right? No, it's been.

It's going to happen to say, and in the final, like, po, I pass a matter. But I said, po, man, I was a man, I was, man, I was talking. Ah, but, so what, but, man, now, now, yeah, it's been, yeah, it's just, it's been,

so, it's been, so, in the last interview that happened over, the convictor, gave the opinion of his about a time about a caramba.

And then, when it was a conversation, justly, for just to have a time,

I said, I said, you want to let's get this, it's a minute, trying a

idea, to see, and then I was, and then he went and he and I'm

going to, he's, he, car, no cost to it, it's not,

it's just, it's, but I'm just, I'm I'm I'm

so, so, so, again, again, so, again, the

The guy forgets that's a time, and then after three

hours of conversation, he's a lot of and you're saying, it's it's,

yeah, but you see that it's not just the people there, my man,

man, will be maybe hundreds of millions of people who, that will

hear that that will do a problem, you know, but just three times

in the maximum. It happens. It happens. The more more than more

more than you This is the Perigo of Al-Vivo this is the Perigo of the Rive-Naping even more

today, that everyone patrulling like if nobody that's there like that partruh

if you're saying a guy now, man, man, after I after I

started to work on the internet Guillem is that I mean, my

man, the porra bish the exposition is a gigante and the limiii

and you viral and do and do and to do that your life? It's straight. And then you

say, caram, no, not to err high and ask you to give a disculpa, as, how happens in the life real? You say, a merda? A friend your, you're saying, car, you're saying, it's wrong, it's wrong, for this, and so-it. But he not some of your life, because you said,

those people who even know you know, you crucifixing, you know, of a a lot lot of, people, people, who, de I think of I said, a

pia a bit of a bit of a bit of really that's not the can't be encrencated

for this. I'm I'm in the I'm in so I'm really for this. So,

three hours of conversation. Many people who are in the States are very different

here. The guy there has more more to say what he want,

I don't think in liberty and I'm different. And then the guy

says a part to explain, the experience of my program,

it's been a great and the last thing I want to the idea of it's a idea of the

idea of the domain of the domain of the domain of to put to a day legendar to the podcast

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of the Kineperge-you-Vos that's probably-te-eager and what you're-you-twe're-explore-24, we're, we've never, we've got, the perspective, we've terminated, we've done,

the year past with various champions in the FFL four contours in the FC

and now we're going two two centurons so, you're used to get with a

point of the Pantog and the Pottan but we we're in January the

Chittara disputing the there's a Chalves what you see

what you see for this year of this year of 24 how

the we we're we we're we're we the

27 of Oh, Gileb, I don't see to to need to how many we'll have but I think the year of

the year of 2004 in the UFC will be a year of a new-to- a bastones let's explain

for you. The FC-300 called a alert to Danna that is the question you know

you know you can you can be dependent of these cars that you have

because it's now is now it's you're in my opinion, is the major company

of MMA of the world because they have a machine of propaganda absurd. The UFC

renews their idols as a other company can't renewing. Imagine

we've a era of the world of the Anderson Silva, Victor Belfor,

Shogun, all the world in the same event, in the same timing and in

that time who had in the vendors of P. George San Pierre Anderson

Silver, Brock Lesnar, and company. None of these cars exist more in the scenario. And the UFC continue

v.C. continue to pay for paperview with other names, which now are you don't still not are at disposition

as they've been. So I think it's a great chance of a Charles to make

good as lots and to make more the ascension. In the scenario feminine,

who sobrough of great vendors of Pepperville, me cita I'm gonna

Valentina Perde the but she's she doesn't she doesn't she doesn't not very much it's a legend

but not it's a legend but not it doesn't so I think there's a lacuna there for

that new new idols appear and the my hope that these people are

that's I'm in my opinion this movement more the

thing the MMA the UFC than the right the

central is important for the contract the for that he be more

remunerated for that he encabesse cards more important for that he be more visible for that he

gain in part of the payperville but for the public good good as the audience

understand I don't know Conor defended how the conturons

Biller no poor he's he's he he's he cares

to he and to public I I think 2024 will

be a year a year not prioritizing many many many many conturons

we'll have in the you'll see probably a Justin Gate defending that he's the same

that's that's that's more attention than much a dispute of a

linea you will have you probably looking against the

Marachev and we can have or not more a signuron

but Borrachin has a great possibility to look for the

title of the in my Humid Opinion I don't see

Adesania can go back against Dracus Duplesses versus St. Strickland

Who can Vence? Borrachin Lutano Wittaker I don't see any other

name to make a lot to who can get a Dessania gain

of one of those two in the Vosos and Borrachin Gurner I vee I vee

a putt of a putt of a name to make a title shot against

a Desania or the champion that's going to do Descani, does sense for you? Does it. Who comes

for out of Kimaev, but it's a little, yeah. Luta Potho was a

very deceitionate against, Kutman. Yes. I mean I didn't see if he was,

he was he was to the last work before the during the lot, during the

battle, yeah, he has a lot of Kamaur there, he has a surgery

to do you know he's not so he's in a title

shot, so for me, the Borrachin has a chance to make a dispute for

a centuron. Charles probably will dispute the centuron. So, responding to your question,

it might be that in 27 December of 2014, we have we'll put out

four centurons in the hand, being being very optimist. But more

than this, who more than more than in 2024 more appear, have great

possibility of have the spotlight of FC in because the Dessania will come but I don't see

if it will come with force total Conor I don't see if it will

more in the public feminine you don't have any great

medallion you know there there have there have

there there can there can can can be

there can't be people John Jones I also don't

a lot against Steve Miltit but I think much improbable that's a lot of a guy of of these

new. So I think we will pass for a renavation of Batchews in 2024. This is my opinion for

the year. I'm I'm not me preoccupy, that I'm very curious to see how it will be

in the year about in the way the sport in general, not so the F.C. Because we

had this year the the death the death it will exist as national within the

PFL but 8 events for an will be a contender will be a contender

series with a moment he will he will be able he was a

most of the first after the after the two of events to be who

who who got who got that's that people

for people but I'm 25 I don't imagine I'm

I'm making the the mark the and, like,

it's like, it's like, the death the Pletor, the PFR, will gain a little more more of course,

because will get a galerina, the galerina, we're going to put it in the BFL, they're,

they're also, the world, the FFR is very ingestated in that in that format of their, they're just

do you're in April, or November, so you're going to start, January, February, in March,

no, no, there's nothing of the PFFE nothing. It's, it's, it's,

it's, out of the event who is not never seen in the never seen

the end championship every hour surge in new matters about

the financial of the event that is a more a

many years a many years and the year

and it was the great event asiat the rising

is very very focused in the public local

rising he he doesn't do do the Japan. It's just.

They're satisfied that's all that's good that's all right. I've even even interviewed the second last year.

That's really. I asked for him about him about him about he wrote about if he thinks in doing with the PFL

and the response was, we're doing with Belator because the our relationship with Scott Kulkers just a

years, in time, decades. And the Don Don Davis, that is the Don't have to be able to

be construy to see we think the same thing to the same thing to do a same thing so Risen

will be a partner or he will try to be out of Japan or will be able to continue

existing there I think will continue existing so so continue so I'm very much because we

actually the lastically the FC he contracted guys that were stars in other events

contracted the guy who was a pilot a guy who was a guy that was pig on Cage

Warriors the guy who was pigna on the pride, the cage raid, the guy was four. Today, the UFC, he's not, who is the star

man, who's the star man, form out of the FC. He got over the French, but now

the Belator was more, now, and there are many people who are the status of the star

in the island, but he's there's, he's, the charisma he's, he was a little bit,

he's a Lenda, No Bella Tor, the champion, all the more. So, that's exceptions, so we're not that we're some of the rest of the game,

in the entire Contendezils, that they're there, contract on the people to get a person to banana.

Who makes, who's a famous, the Shannomali, viralized there, let's get in this guy here, because he has

potential to be great. Then you get the, use a machine to make the marketing to transform the guy

to transforms the WFC is very comfortable with a agreement with with ESPN that's that's a

money, he doesn't need to get to the ingress, because your Fat Night is in the house in the

house because you're very comfortable getting money, you're getting money to get a damn money,

but every more billionario, he's all very happy of the life with a poor, pushy

of the money but no doesn't you know, you don't need, you know, he depends

every less of medallions. He doesn't more, the conno has been the conno

has passed for the time, the Conor not wins a quote the UFC

no needs more. He doesn't this guy is that it makes preoccupied with the future

for the health in general I have a question, I have a anger of haters

that is the fact the UFC is much more than the M.M.A. I don't

know even there with who I'm not the thing

this timeinion that no movement to almost nothing

if we to take the FC of the structure. Let's talk here, Guillermo. The UFC was it. Today, it's been.

The last event was what passed there in the last transmission of the FC Fight Pass. You have what

to say to say to MMA? Nothing. It's difficult. I'm just like, I'm still doing

the style of the program for for 2020 because I live much the batty the batita

of event. You know, why I don't I don't I'm up the way that I'm not over the word of

not the because I go to go out now, I don't see if you see the last thing, it was the

nutritionist, I've got on the air because Natal, the people come to caramba

you know, you just have to programing all, because the MMA so exists

until today, because the UFC does with the UFC has the

thing, of Jiu-Gitzo. A priori. The UFC was launched, we didn't say the UFC, I'd say

Ultimate, remember, Ultimate Fight Championship, was launched to divulgated the superiority of Jiu-Gitzo. Point.

The Dana and the Irons Fertita came there were there a possibility to do

a great business. Okay. The business is just been made. The UFC did

do you do the monopoly of the world. Cair Gila, the

car not there one concorrent that incomoddy not there

can what I'm what I'm sure my man manh all the whole

the office the UFC has a policy of the political

of a predatoria that they do very very

and don't make nothing nothing I don't the

guys I have put palms the guys do

do they understand they the machine the propaganda is the

major cany-on of them, produce idols as a measure that they need to they're when you

say, the F.C. don't have any any new name for that he can't

import to other events. He will start to do the lotters of other types of

other types of U.S. An Olympic of wrestling, a Bonif a Poitin, a Poitin,

a Swedish, Bon of Kick-Ox, I think he went to Peefel, No, it was? Yeah,

that's right. Yeah, that's, that's, but are these guys that they're going to... He's got to... He's got to...

But he's... He did the contractual, there's been to dispensate. These guys are great idols in

other types of sports, putting the guys in M. For that these guys are they're not for the

chamaries of events numerated, point. This guy not will be a machine to make, like was a

block, how was a ronda, like it a connor, even because, as

well, not need more much the UFC, if I don't me in 2023, feces the

year with a record of defaturation over 2022. And the other This is because

at least the events, not have public. And the other companies

you can't to see the number of visualizations of other events, you say,

carly, man, not can't compare with the we're talking about a

event that's not a not matter it's it's going to be fight night

you will look a lot people he's not even he's

not even other event be seen my man what what me what me

it the only form the m. it's the

UFC to want to be more than what I think

more which I For me, it's a top. And the future of sport, the health

is to turn a league like a NFL. What is the football American? If not the NFL,

if not the NFL? If you know, I don't know, the M.M.A will be to turn the UFC, in the

head of many people, it's, for fulano, luta, the guy is a event there,

the event of MMA, but in the head of the guy, but all the FEC. It will

to turn this every more niche and the only way of this one day

to make the room the box remember when the Connor was far the pool

of the old and was there was a period he was a period

he was the between the and the markation of the the

we're we we're what we he said Chendler there

there said he said he said he said a possible the

and the LUTTA of his This is a putt is a puttard of an agenti-dhistory. In no moment he didn't get to be contacted He didn't. He didn't have out of the contract? He not had he out of the... No, he's out of the pool of tests. I said, so, I was like,

I was, I'm not so much tested. But he was with a contract made. Contract. So, because if you if you if you're if you're

under the contract for five years. You know, that's going to get to San Pierre

and he went to Bispen and he got to and he did make a divorce with with Roy

John Jr. So, no, he was for five years, he was he was

the contract with the F.C. in the final of the year when he

came to the year, he did he did the he not compre

the defense that's automatic that you get a signet that's a

postentor a bit of postentor yeah, the Sehru I'm doing that's that people

don't know, so I'm just to get to gain the money. The only sport

to grow along the grades of the UFC is if two guys

great like a knight and one can make a

little but you see that these guys just see

independent when they just being constructed via the UFC, yeah have a

little of prestige, the UFC just subbed a little the arm of this guy, and then liberate just

the carcasses. Now go, right, but you know what you have to do what you

know, the first of the F. Seals, he went the contract with the

FC, he was he got with a time he made from him back to

he, and then he went to with Jake Paul. Apano. I don't

see how he gained there, but he's there's going to to look at the FC300, or so is

that he got that he got to he was more than he would be more than he'd think he's

getting a money to get a carlety yeah, then he then he'll go back to for the FC

300, okay, I'm getting a good money, I'm going to get a man, you're not, you

can't be the Nate, he's got from the machine, you know, not, you know, he's gonna say it's

that's that will No, no, No, the event of Jake Poe with him was a preview

event of Tyson Fury with Inganu was a prejudice too, not vending Patkin, who did you

understand? The boss Arabis paid very money. They got much money.

You know, a cause is Francis Inganu propagandial by the UFC. One is Francis

Inganu no mar aberts sozino soz so-s no PFL

I never didn't pay any any of no I'll be a bad

Any other one of PSPERR, he's, against the Renan problem, the excellent lotator, champion. But, but, but not a name that will vendor. No, the name that's a problem. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's a problem. Exactly. It made a lot more than the Starry.

It was the number one of box. And the, the, for me, the organizers of this case, not were not even there and were to be paid. They're not. The carers are, the carluck. Pugn. This is propaganda for them for them, it's all propaganda. Yeah.

It's all to do ffel, he, will have prejudice. because will have to pay a bolsa for a contract an alter,

who are in going to get two million of dollars, what is a lot of the market

in the market of the FSA get a $2 million of a box, imagine

the problem to get this this box for the BFL. I'm I'm still

I'm I'm I'm shocked I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm sure

the PFL is functioning because the event came for do I'm going to do this tournees here, six

tournaments, the car, this champion will gain a million dollars. I thought, this veteran will do not a year. This will be a lot of time. Because you will terminate the year with paying, distributing $6 million dollars, for six athletes that nobody knows.

Oh, the Natanzhute, awesome, a lot of people bonissima. But, poor, he gained $2 million dollars in the PFL, but he not is known the public for the ball. He's not a agregor to you to put five millions in

in their own of all your those those postsets in two years. It's an event that sustenance in that form. The EPFL, she doesn't gain of propaganda. What bank is this?

Concord. So the EPFL is still alive until today. I'm not so the guy of the financial, I don't want to be

an accountant to to analyze the finances and see how how much the money has been that was that. Pymu much the

money on long of the years. No, It doesn't be a quantator to know that the

people are in the prejudice, no, it's a non-of- conversation. It's the

you gabarit the business, car, is to understand what the appetite of who's the time

during this appetite, and what is the plan for the guys to pass to give a lookro,

because, again, there's other form of lucro in this type of business,

and not sell to the package. It's, even when you get the

the platform of the FC that comes to a ESPN,

as a parceria, a brao a person, now, the PSPF renews the

contract with ESPN, but how the ESPN PFL? It's not what is the quantity of

the annunciates what is the amount of the time of the time of the amount of the

time of the time. Many people me ask, you know,

you know the FC did the the bril that was in 2012 and 2017

2018 2018 FC was much more more famous in Brazil than

this is the sensation of the people and I concord

there had much really lot and the globe

transmitting all the the the the different the

people people didn't have access to streaming via the

free of the time of now I'm now I'm think the UFC is more

famous than that was the time but I think it's a tent

I don't see how to get more than why Guillerby

in that that I don't see if you also you

also you had a identification much with the people

were guys that you were people had a demand is enormous for

to see them to look at and they don't lot over all the hour now all the time there's there's a

event, there's no way I'm know what I'm 15 carly man 15 car you know there's fight night

you say never see this malo it's a so it's a sense of that today today is

now it's I don't think today I'm more I think but more people so not

there that's that there apelo to Brazil that had an Anderson-Silva versus Charles Sonen

Globo with a galvon a rann a signer a sign and gave a sensation of, porha

football dava a sensation of mainstream we'll ask that's poor it's going to

get more than and it and not and not it doesn't be more just have

it's it's it's that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm

it's because the UFC not it's it's of the UFC. I want to be able to be able to be able to function

and not be always in the doubt if the event he will be so when he will exist until when he will be people. Until when he will be people, he will be a lot to, he's going to go to FCC. There's no doubt. Everyone wants to go to FECA. So, he had an option.

He could be a bellator, I could pay to the pay the pay, the money, put it to one. These other markets are becoming more fracus. The The WAN Ship did a lot of events in 2003, but how many of these events were on the MMA? They were passed a year doing event of Maitai. Wai, rightly.

On the week's Friday and Mwai. Mwai. MMI. MMI was in third-plan for them to come. He will go back to do more MMA. The focus will be it, but it's complicated, not? I think the previsal is a little pessimistic of my part, but I'm a curiosity to see how it will be this in the year that.

For me, not quite the world during a time. Not there.

It's for it's just the Konexx and the other people. We're going to talk about to talk about

just to be to the people, to show the people to show that not not so

UFC. There's much good to have been good to see to be the

people, the people will have access to all this all. Now I hope

you're going to Kotton, for us to do a resenia, or the end of year, or the initial of year, put some of the beer and get a day

entire trying idea, talking about about and I'm just too. I'm sorry. Thank you, my time for your time. Thank you. You're just about it.

You're talking about your propaganda, do you, do all your all your all the guys and the guys and count the

those programs there. Galera, who don't know who know who knows, who connects, it's a malocoo.

You know, who knows, it's a malocox, so a little bit. here. Arboh connect with 2N-STMUD, underline,

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I'm sorry for your time. Thank you my idea with you. Now we go to

the second part of this podcast with a interview with Bibbiano Fernand

that announced in first a hand, his side of the end

championship and gave a strong of the talk about the organization. I've

also talked about with Iq Tanabe, representate Brazilian on RISN in Fing of Fing

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after more a decade of homebe. Bevited to a podcast, my friend, me go and you want to do you

know what? What happened is I'm, I'm with, I'm a champion for the time for the time for the

year, working for us years, working for them, I'm, two days after I received a card

of the guys, saying that that they would enderer not the contract was a contract

was a contract was over in December and it's not going to renew the contract

to know so, so it's pretty bebele a ball goes to go ahead

I don't have nothing I don't I don't I'm like so putt with the man

I didn't my man I didn't putt with the man I'm I'm not I think I'd like

the car could have had been things better than 100% I would I would have

had been made things better I'm going to three years almost three years I'm I'm not I'm not

after I'm after I'm more two years without two years so I'm saying talking about of career I think

I think with certain they could have to put up when I had to be back back I should have

been more but my man ball to front man with the with sure

they could I'm a little, I'm a little bit Tris, I'm, but it's a Vida, there's a lot, but there's many people today in the world that the guys work, they're doing

a life by the company, then in the final of the car, the donno of the company, or anything like that say, my man,

valet for your job, so, my, man, I'm, but what I can't do you can't go to front? You had more

a lot in the contract, you were saying, we said, we said, there was a time about,

you were by the A-OQ to do that they marked O'K-OKK-WK-WK against the States of Japan that will have. You were, you know, you were still being able to want to look at and simply not you offer anything.

No, they're a lot. Not der a lot for me. It's so interesting that they said that I'll do A-Eok. They conversed with them, no, we'll be to do A-OK, you'll be with A-OK in Japan, like, it's going to be with A-O-E-K in Japan,

but not was what happened he got they were the other guy that was

like to go to go I'm like I'm I'm just I know

what I pass the I'm my life my life I'm going to

mix mash La the mix mash there my life my life my my trajectory

in no anti-amp chip I I think nobody will

do you will defend the I'm at 12 years for the guys I'm working on the lot in the difficulty because the champion

he passes for a lot of difficulty and but but it's just a point of my life that I said no car there's many

things that I don't I don't concord I'm much I don't I have to pass so now now now in this moment

I'm going to try with Ayok the guy who's guys don't get to try okay the guys don't know

they're going to talk with Ayok no you're going to talk with Yoku in in January, or a thing like that's they said,

I said, I said, I'm going to get a good, but I thought, I got to get the guy, I'm going to say,

the guy, I'm sure, I'm going to be able, the business, the guys, the guys think so in business,

you know, so this part there, I'm putt, I'm doing what, to do you, make a ball to front,

like I said, you're a very true, yeah, that's a person would have passed, because,

if you'd would be a puttta, you're saying, it's a life, so a guy, experienced, you've got to have been

a lot of this, you know, in this life in the sport, I imagine that you

help, I'm going to help, with more calm, with all what's what's what's

I think, for me, is because, like, I'm going in the story, I,

I, I, I passed for a much difficulty when I when I came in my

evolution for who I'm I'm my mom with seven years, I,

I've passed for much difficulty and I've all the time, all the difficulty that I did a pressure

to continue my trajectory in the life just me fortalece you know my mind and my spirit

so things like that that happens because for me in my vision I I

I the people the guys say a they're all they're all they're they're

they're they're so I said I'm saying I don't I don't I can't be a person

I don't not be in an environment that's that they see you know because the MMM

mann-Mex-Mach there is a sport that will have the peak you will have the peak you will

have a time of your time of your time you're in your time so in this

peak that you they are intelligent you know and they me they're

they're this part, you know, and I could be putt up, I could be talking about, I could be

talking about, I'm trying to be able to think of the things, I'm to think of the same I've done,

with the mix martial, the mix-maschlaw moved my life, so there's things like, that really

I think to be a real, I have to accept a life and to let the my,

my, my story to say for me. I don't think, oh, the guys,

many, many, many, the As I said, if you were a guy that's thinking to look at an championship, my man, man, think two times before you want to enter there.

Why? There's a lot of people who are going to, there's many people who are talking about what I'm talking. There are things that I don't, because there are clauses that I don't possibly say. If I're saying, if I can come to come to me,

you say something, but there are many things is that you have to have to be very good good those athletes think of

to do you do you do you want to like he's like he's like he but there

a point of the time you have some some time if you really is really

if you really really that you're they've been that not happened what did

what type of things were like I'm I'm I'm I don't I'm

I'm there something so car I I wanted I but if I

say I say, the guys can come to me, because they have clauses in contact, there's a

car not can't be talking, but it was to me be an ambassador of the event, you know,

today, but it not happened. I remember that when you renavors, we did a matter,

you told that in your contract previa, that when you were to be a posentable,

you would have an job, some, some, some, some, some,

a, some, a, , some, some, a, ,

And, going in front, now if you're out of the event or this this, this empergo not will

not roll no, man. Poh, people, thinking, my man, man,

I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, the energy, I don't think, if the car don't see what I did for the organization,

poor, I don't I can't do do but who intends it's more like that

what's what happens the athlete he will pass by the phase of his the athlete he will

be to learn he will be a moment that is the athlete that he will be a champion

but but will get a point of your your trajectory that the organizations

they will want to make the better the organization not the more for

the but for the other and for this, you have to have a manager very good, car, to try to you're trying to do my manager to my side.

They're taking the guy to the guy on my side. So I became disanded, so, in this part. And to try to do whatever things, they don't far as if were the manager, so if it was directed with me, so I'm

like, I'm, there's things that I can't, there's it, it's interesting, it's it's interesting, it's, it's a thing, you know, but it's, you know, who's a person, who are in the

company? Who, the guy what he was doing was the was the Gilbert was the

was Jobert Fariya he was trying to me helping me also and I don't know the name of the

man because not for me my man if I know the name the guy everyone

knows the but the the job that the he did the job was a job not

not for so I don't not know not the name of but if someone wants

to ask if someone I'm going, but because, because the people, you can't do you know, but I don't

talk about the guy, but I'm going to with him, he'll open the game, you know, but I pass it for some things that just

I know, but, the M.M. I'll vote for Jiu-Gitz first. I was champion

Jiu-Jitz, I five-ve- Vets, I'm champion in a Maw-N, three-vees in Pety, in Peta,

and I had a vice in the black also. The Jiu-Jitz me helped and the

M.M.A. entered in my life, me transformed, me led to various can't of the

world. I'm grateful. I'm everything I've received, everything

what I'm doing, but I could be doing, doing a organization, poe,

I don't, I don't get put to the guys, because where I'm going I'm going to I'm sure,

I'm sorry, I'm trying when I came today with my work, but the guys

could have made better? With better, with more. I don't think that nobody will do

what I did in the organization. You did the things historical. You

won't after the tito don't long. I remember that before you go to one,

you had a offer the UFC that quite rolled, they

came to not signed, and you went to after you went to the end,

the things both, the things good, and these or you think that it was better than to be

the year? No, I know, because it's a very interesting to say this now, in the beginning to say, the end-champ-tip not was a great in this form that he

was turned. It was one-champ-tip was starting to grow. For example, I was the first Brazilian to be a champion of

a centuron. Then, then then I, then came I, then was there, then see the Roja, then before see other guys.

And, he started to start to appear the guys. But I don't me repent, to have to do for, to to the moment,

that was the moment, it was the moment, it was the moment, to do, to, to the, to, my part,

the event, he was a great, not was, I was, the event grew up, and other thing, I'm,

I'm, the other thing, I, the, I, the, there, I, there,

don't, no, no, no, no, no, the, B.B.,

B.B., B, B, B, is a, man, who said to me, Bo, Bibiano, the guy,

I'd like to look in a championship, one day I was be a champion, you like you too, too, so, so it's the

things that was happening. But, again, there's a time in the relation, that one,

in the relation, she's to have to end up, but not, not, not a, wrong.

And then, to go, to my journey, I, know, I did, I did my

part, but I had to be made, but there many things, the, but there many,

the, the atlett, pass for much a situation that I don't care that any of a athlete

pass. I'm not not quite in a class, that's not that's not that's not a lot of

that's not that's how much that's why, but I think that's so it's very important you have a

good manager you know, you're going to see in the CA where I'm when I get in the

my manager on my side and this part I had to have to have been to not,

no, no, no, no, This is a part that I could have been made better. And by your head coach, the Matt Hill, you know, your trainer?

Well, he is another part here too, too. The Metty is a good guy, man. He is a good but he's a good guy, but he is a job for organization, you know? So he's just,

he's a man armarraud. He can't do much because he a organization, but he is a good guy, but he is a good guy, but he is a guy that works

to do you. Does he have a relation with him still? No, he, the new, the, the, I, I have a relation

with him, but we don't have that relation more because he, he, he is vice president to the

anti-champety. Then, then it's a situation kind of, to try idea with him, for this

today I'm in my academy. Today I'm today, I'm going, I don't do, I'm going to

go, but he, because he, Marro, Dimitri, he's my man, a man,

the, we're, we're, we're a , We're talking. But today, but today,

car, when I received a card, I don't I'm not, I don't get putto with the guys, no,

I don't think, I felt, I felt, I felt, I, I felt, that a little bit of my album,

got to me. I felt that when happened it was, I felt, a, man,

a piece of my man, now, now, now, we're, we're going to again,

again, we're going to world, even more this time now, the guys are

getting the job, you know, the guys, the guy, it's the

people, not, car, the life, it's the first,

my first, part, the car will, he will have, the job,

and then after this part that that's, the car will

get the work, it's a thing, it's a thing, because,

because they're a new a new, but it's not in nothing

it's we're the people, correctly for this second phase. This first phase is the phase of the mentality.

The first one the guy, the guy will get, the guy will get, the car, but the guy will get in the part of the

part of the question, that's the part that's doing all the whole. It's not I'm going.

Now I'm going. Now I'm going to. Now I'm going to. Now, it's a second part of the human, man.

The person he passes to this second part, that's when a day the guy the person, the guy perjury, the

guy doesn't, the guy doesn't continue to desist, no, man, the life, she continues. So, this part that I'm a part of a book, I'm going to have to be a page, then I'm going to pass the second part of the story of my life, so I'll live another part, another story.

But the guys could have been, to have completed what they said, with what you do you expect to write in this next page of your book? This next a page, she'll have a lot of M.M.A.

even? Or it's, or for you, I don't, I don't, I, I don't, I, I, I, I, I don't, I, the, the, guys are trying to be, the United,

the guys are, they're trying to be reposenters, various years, I don't, me, I'm, they, they, they, they,

they, were, two years, of my life, after, and, after me, passed, more one, what happened,

then, I, and I, my, my, my life, looking, the, I,

I, , I, like, like, when they'd see, me and I'd look at, but this

second part, the second part is to focus in the students, you know, there's a old,

I'm a lot with a academy, focus on the students, and maybe there's a front of a

lot of and if really, does it really, I really did the dispedida,

I, I can't make it a lot of a lot, or you see with a other event,

or you see doing in a career, I don't I don't say long, but various battles, and not, like, to do one

to be the ultimate? No, I think the Jujits, is a, I love Jiu-Gitz. As I said in the beginning, the Jiu-Gits, me solved, me. But we're just

24-year-old, now, so, this other part also, that's the other part, too, that's, I think, even everyone can't get to where get, where I'm 44-on,

loot-n, a-n-foced, a-mente-boa, the people just come in this time of the life just don't

not able to get rid of money but but thanks to God I went working my investments

I'm looking the best opportunity to invest my money and God me helped me helped

so the second part it's the the practice so I I can't

I can't I can't put to do that I'm now I need now I need

to to breathe, I'll wait a my whole to work to my

whole, and I'm looking to be in the career that you've been in the M.A 30

luthes of MMA, champion in Japan, champion in Jiu-Gitzen. Campion Jiu-Gitzen. Campegian Jiu-Sid.

What? You went to back back and see that was the first time to see the experience,

the moment that I've this moment that I'm taking now because we're to pass experience

to the people that are coming a girl is a new that's a new thing and she's a lot of

experience that I live in the better experience that I live in the story, in the story in the story

of Jujits I was I went back back when I went to a tournament in Japan

then it was I Fabio Leopold the Jacare Mario Reyes we're we're

we're in Japan in an event that there was Brazil versus Japan then

in this event I was lot in Crocop and the Minotauron,

in Saetam Arena. I saw Rampé Jackson with him against the Vandelae and Silva. Poh,

car. I saw the jaccaro under the Roger Grace, I saw, the Fernando

Margarita and I'm going to the Sala Ribeiro. Oh, I've seen a lot

in this little, you know? So, poor, I'm a person who was a

person who was a moment that I've lived. So I don't, I don't

go this thing I, I picked five with a cajohn, there's a man quibrated, I'm a nose,

the thing the worst, but the things good, happens, but the things wrong, man, people in your

life that will want to want to help you and will be able to get to be people who will be in

your life, and we'll have to be in the people that we're in our life. And the pasto of

the Jiu-Gitzo of M. Poh, I just have to give you M.M. I've got my family,

with Jiu-Gitz M-M-M-A, I've got to buy my house, with J-Gizz, I've I've used

various people with M-M-M-E I've paid various surgeries to the people that people that

had, I've I'm very great for everything that the M. M.E. The Mix-Mach there are

until now. Manita, but I'm going in action at least one last time to be a time that you

deserve, in the park that you de respect and that you treat well. This part is a part that we have

to observe now, today, today I'm here, my academy. Here is my academy. I'm,

I'm here. Today, I'm here. I'm do the of a hour, you know,

so I passed by situations that, that was difficult, that all people will

pass, but the most important, my man, is to thank you, and we

know, we're going to we're trying, we're many, there's many

things that I can't talk that I know, but I thank the,

the people that my story by one champion the to be

things for, things of the second phase of my life now. The other

side of the line we we're we're going to the world on MMA and in the

MMA and the Jujits and now the last the end of the end of the end of Rizhousin

of Riveh on 31 31 of December my friend welcome to the podcast

it was a pleasure to talk to how is how it's how it's the

question the 5th Lod 40 20 until all finalizing

all you know I'm thank for me for me invite to me

and the expectations are the expectations are the middle now 7-7 and but the

the focus what I hope I'm not the other I'm but I'm

my finalization to to come the year to come the year the year

the next the year the next will be better even. Now you're to be to a

middle and will be be fat ninja? Now will be the linja skin ninja. Yeah, it's difficult,

yeah, use this appellido yeah, I'm doing more sense I'm too too much

now. The first your second last you met him Rhoff of 9-3 and then

then before the peso Pess what's the normal, so imagine that that was like, that was

like, like, that was that was a one, that was a that was a that was a

roba. I was I was I was trying a piece to do my first of eight four,

then the guy said you want to you want to you want to be like you have a manoff

for you know? But I'm not in my case he looked for just because I

know the guy said four and then he said on the time

the guy the time and said but there but there but there can't be

he not he can't I'm saying and I also Like, like, like, I'm trying, I'm still

my time, but I'm taking, like, in the time, my piece was 100 and a little, you know,

one is, like, today, you're going to go to get 7, 7, 7.

So, your normal is, so, I decide, like, like, justly,

this time, I, like, I'm, like, I'm, first time, RIS,

in July, in July, in July, I got my Paised my Pais to 93, right,

I was going to go down to 93, then I batted then I I lute I'm then after

this lute, I got a rebote, you know, and then I got me jiu-jit and then

I came machin' and then I came to get a again, I'm getting to but not

it's a point, but not no, no, no can't no conditions to buy to set

to the time, it's is a lotura. I want to do the maximum the 90s know,

first how is the epil the epil the name? I think it's excellent the epil from where it

came, who was who did that that's the epilitar so, so, so,

nobody people, it's, like, it's, I, the Jiu-Git's my character

like, so, always was, it was maybe, if it was a guy, like,

I always, I always me, I always, I always, me, I identified with more with the Pesos Leavis, the form of

to look at, like, Bering bowl, these things, I always I always I did a highlight like, I put it, like, I'm moving around, like, a fat ninja, like. And, like, it was a lot, like, so I just got for a lot, and I also I thought of this appellee, and it was

and it was, you know? You are, like, the Kung Fu Panda, but the Jiu-Jitsu, right? Yeah, and, it's, it's, it's. I was I'm I'm looking I was like

on the BJ Heroes the old your historical of Jujits there's like 20 victories

in a no MMI we know 4-0 no Jiu Jitsu really you never never did

Ah no I ultimately I've got I'm I'm I'm I've I perj

two days in Fasha Preta now now I I'm I'm

three three years in really I'm a one a

and I've got a last one that I was like Japan Yeah, but how are your focus? You're a guy really new

your focus is a MMA, is to dojuts parallelly to enter in a championship or in the Jiu-Gitzo is just of a lot

special now not more a campionato long so. So, my focus in reality again,

always was the champion the World of Vosita of Bajapevae then. When COVID,

the things were perted for here, then, like, like, for us, for us,

for us, for us, for us, it was very difficult to get to be out of the ,

so, it was, it was a lot of, it was, and then, like, I,

I, I don't have more, I, didn't have, more, what did I do you know, there was,

I got to MMA, and I, I resolved to look, and then, at the same my wife

in-givore of my family, you know, and, yeah, had this conversation

about the MMA. Then, like, my spouse with a little of a little to get a

very of the COVID, the conditions were difficult. Passed for that's too too. It's very,

so, the first thing in my head when she was when she was she was a little bit of I'm gonna

go, relax. Because we had, like, I had a way a offer of MMA,

and I know, the conditions were totally different of Jiuitts, so I started in

and I looked at the MMA and did me And then the year next then I

after I'm after I'm a port of the to do that Polaris, I don't know if you know,

I know from the World Warro and I Lottes with Tom Milang Garkehkih Kewen,

he was vice World War of Kimo a year before, and like I'm

there's a much expectat because I had been to get a fact preta not even

never never still I'm I'm not because I said, poe,

like I paid to to go to Lutah Jiu-Tas, I've got to have a opportunity to do Jiu-Jit, now I've got to have a port of Jiu-Tzito, you're not, because of them, even more than a guy of these, not, you know, like, during the COVID,

you know what's going to happen in the day of the morning. So I took the opportunity, and I was, like, but I was with with a lot of so, but, like, I'm with a want to do a show, not feel like, like, with a, like, I'm going to, like, I don't know, I can't lose this chance. You have, like,

to do do you to provide this chance and I went there finalized you know

I'm so even until then my fog has been 100% MMA you know I said

puttie man I go to Jiujit's for carama so so then no next

I was I was yeah yeah I was in last year I'm I'm gonna

have the MMA and then I'd go to get to other points to do the world

world world Worldial, and did all and did all and did all the end past in the final

of the year I did that after the month off then then to make for this year I decided

to focus more MMA you know like if if I would if if there's some

opportunity to batter these dates the campanato I would would be

but I can say that today today my focus now my MMA totally

for cause of the money, the money in the MMA is a way better compared

than the Jiu-Gitz? No, there's a comparison, not there can't compare it

I see that the Jiu-Gitz is better being better more to the athletes, and I

hope also to help also in this point, you know, in Jiu-Git train a sport very pretty

little, you know, amador even, I I can't it, like, it's difficult if you're

a profession here in Jiu-Jit in Japan, but I pretend in my my head with this attention that the MMA has to be

to bring more attention to Jiu-JITs and with this to help us new athletes to be able to get in front of MMA a lot of the MMA

a lot of the MHA but not because it's not for a condition, not for a condition better. Yeah, what I see, the

little that I see, like, events of super-luta, of Jiu-Gis, to grab, and there in the States

today is very very strong, in Europe has some events, but that in Asia no, there's a

not there's there there's a there's a there's a there has a while on the world

spider I think but like it's like a little on this side of the world right

yeah yeah yeah it's I can say it's I'm it's better

but it's very long even still of something like some

an athlete to just of just of just of competition I think here not

there nobody know, practically. And in MMA, you're going, you're going to do your third

fight in five months. Thank you God. The plan the next is to be this,

this pegat this is a rhythm intense as a like in the M.A. too. It's,

I'm going to my identity, my inventude that I have a favor of me now, is that I'm,

thank you, thank you, God, I recuperer, I recuperer, I recuperer the I'm very rapid, like, I don't have a lot of

God, I don't have any much damage of a lot to another, you know, and it's so, until you could do do not get, to start and gourd. So, I have to continue in the focus there.

And the year I pretend to do at least one of the four luts, to extend this cartel to go to 9-0, to there, you can't be in any of the question

of the, you know, the question of the question of the middle, you were more fast to beat the the peso, was less complicated. Now the 7-7,

you know how it will be? Does it make you? Does it go? After, how do you want to get? It's going to end up in another, no other. Yes, yes, but that's a point important, that I will see, that I will see

just now this way, you know? But I think that I have a nutritionist very good, you know, I do you do with him, with him, awesome, and I think that it will be

be a lot, even that it's a lot of, so, now, Onzai, it's a Bela Tor, just was the

VACOR, just went to the main events, what you think he will you bring to more

the risk of this battle? I think it's a style, the style that I never paid,

that I never had to be that I'm the Rester, right? And I think, but at the same time,

I think, it's a great test for me, to me, to me, to be a idea of what

it's there far, you know? Because I that this style, today is the style that's the more difficult

for the Jiu-Jeter that's the Rester that derubba, he's got cooking on in the same, there's,

I think, so it's, so, and I think, so, he's, that he's going to be in a little time,

it's that I have to, like, take a good, and it's, and it's, and it's,

and it's, like, I'm going to me over-s for me to be in these, a wrestler,

you know, that, it's, for much that he has a trocalation good, also,

I don't know, I think this is the style that he will be in a

place to that he will bring in the yeah, the RIS he don't

have a champion in the division and has had some some some

something, you know, to you start in this dispute of the first

the organization, how that's this negotiation with the

so Kaka so so so so so I've like

I have been on Rising even, yeah. And, and not,

the Rising is a event that's like, like, I think, not the RIS in

but I think the event they, they're prioritizing where all the people are

talking there, where the people are talking about there, and unfortunately even my

category, it's a category very, like, parted even, you know,

I, I don't see , to do two Lutteau in Category 8-4, you know, but at 7-7, like,

there's a lot here, a lot of there, but I think not have the attention that needs to

have to a spura to title, you know, to pick a main and there. And I

think, it's all my back, you know, it's just depends on me, I, I think,

I think, I'm a athlete more of this person, and I think it's I'm who

I'm have to do this opportunity to get in me, I think, he not,

he will, and I'm going to do GP of 7-7, because, unfortunately, I don't have a category that, like I said, have been a attention,

you know, I think it's, I think, I think go ahead of this, make my name, and to try the attention of the public, you know,

to get in a moment that he said, no, now you, I think now, the 7-7 is good, for doing a

, for a school of a centuron, get. I don't, there, two guys very experienced, that also

came of Jujis, not, the Kleber Koi, who Satoch, were champions, Simi, and they, And they

They've They're able They're going to They're going And finalizing Yeah, yeah, there's a

performance Yeah, are two people who I admire much, and, like,

they've been kind of this want to be in media, in the RIS, you know, and it's

that I'm going to like they myself, you know, like, saying, showing

that there to not there and, and, like, I think, I think,

I think, I think, I think, I think, of him to be like, like,

like, not be a fact of the rising, but then represent the represententate

of the rising to look that far to get a role of this parcerer

with Belaour that was been bought to be the BFL but the don't the FFL

the don't David has said that's interest in continuing this

cross-promotion so so it was a question that's talking to

try to the type of the type of you can find

that you don't thinking even, you know, I had a dream, like I said,

like I said, I said, in the Fash Preta, and I know that I'm going more difficult,

and, like, this, this, this, this, this, this, this,

this, the, of the world in Jiu-Git, I can say that I have this

want to in the MMI, you know, and I think that's the opportunity perfect, right? It's an opportunity

perfect, I'm going to The Turn Rise is an event that I I love, I'm putting to be in Japan and being able to be in front the world futureally, it's been great,

it's been very. Even if I'm going to go to find it in Japan so. A we can't be able to this week on the podcast I'm gladiasing too to my Elmonds,

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