MMA Fighting - Trocação Franca | Vicente Luque e a luta entre amigos (+ Larissa x Cyborg em 2024)

Episode Date: October 4, 2023

Vicente Luque vai protagonizar uma luta diferente no fim do ano, enfrentando o ex-parceiro de treinos Ian Garry, e fala ao podcast como eram os treinos entre os dois, futuro da divisão, e muito mais. O Trocação Franca recebe também Larissa Pacheco, que comenta a possibilidade de enfrentar Cris Cyborg em 2024. Rickson Zenidim, que participa do Contender Series, conta como circo e telecatch moldaram o estilo de luta da família. O melhor do MMA brasileiro no Trocação Franca, toda semana, com o jornalista Guilherme Cruz e convidados. Vicente Luque faces former teammate Ian Machado Garry in the UFC, and talks to the podcast about their training sessions, the future of the division, and more. Trocação Franca also welcomes Larissa Pacheco, who discusses a potential showdown with Cris Cyborg in 2024. Plus, UFC hopeful Rickson Zenidim explains how circus pro wrestling helped shape his family’s fighting style ahead of his Dana White’s Contender Series bout. Listen to Trocação Franca with Guilherme Cruz every week to hear from the biggest names on the hottest topics in the Brazilian combat sports world. Follow Guilherme Cruz: @Guicruzzz Subscribe to MMA Fighting Check out our full video catalog Like MMA Fighting on Facebook Follow on Twitter Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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M.M.I.Farion in Brazil, and I'm back in the company of Campion, Larissa Pacheco, who luta for more $1 million in the NFL before to possibly confronts Chris Bogg in 2024. But the papo first is with Vincent Looke, that's a lot with a

partner to train, Ian Gary and the future of the future of the future of the future of the

future of the other side of the end of the other other than the end of Ian Gary a lot

has all to be super good guys very guys of the two guys of high-of-nive of

podcast how is I'm going to it's a kind of for a for a look

for a different and a guy with this process so that negotiation of lute

I'm I imagine that not a lot that you have been a lot of you have been a little bit of a little

not a little, but it's a man, but it's a car of the process all that you know. So,

the first, I'm going to this, it's a one way, to be a good too me amarro

and, and, this this is a a lot, it was a little a little

disaffiated so in the beginning, the the, the, the, the,

but I, I, I, I, for the style of the style of the lot of we have

I've a guy a man, he's a person who's a real person as a like a guy, a man

a guy, a man of good, was always he also has been demonstrated this same respect on the other

other side but as soon that was the lot the Alie me called, he said,

oh, we have this this lute, it's a a lot great and in this

moment is complicated because there you, there's the chavkate there's the durin

there the Camaro all the top 10 until the top 11 so all the people

maybe one one putting with one a lot marked yeah had the

chavkate with underboy you you just have the lot the

long so you have some some some some marking also

the Sean Brady against the against the gastrolo so it was complicated, no there's much option

and it it was it was they're they're trying they're doing and in this moment I said

I think a pro ralh I think a lot of good and I know that it's a lot

we're just we're just we've been about or maybe it maybe like if if if you're

to be if you're to look we're we're so I think that in this

sense not would be a problem but I wanted to be in relation to the team so I felled first with Henry, with my trainer, the head coach here of the team,

from Cliff, and then we displeasseed this first, and the position of his position of it was, if you want to look, this then,

it's a, it's a, it's a part of this we'll see how is how is how it will proceed, how is it will be from the front,

but it's the decision of you, and he will be more neutral, let's say he will continue training, no case I,

I don't know if he will come to come to where I know he not will do part

of the training of his but I'm going to him and he will be going to be going to

not be not one of the two sides because he trained us for many years

so I totally I'm I think that is a lot-o and it is a

future I think the future is that is that Cliff, American Top Team, these great teams have surging,

came showing that's true. And, in a couple, no, if, if all the world,

the top, are in the same team, how is it? It's been to do it. How is it said,

it's the point of the young Gary, he not will do the camp of his he, he will

do you, but this probably will have been there's reflection in your team,

you have defined, you have in your corner, yeah that the Rennie not not define totally, but we have various trainers,

various trainers that are in part of the team. I also have a train with Daniel Mendez that train no durin, train the Gregory, Robocop,

train a guy, there's a good, so he also he also, you know, can be a option, but even is something, after I study

much the lot, to design a strategy, to, to really to me afrofund more in camp,

is one that I still I'm going to I think we're going to I think we're

not a long as time, I like the camp in see, I think are between

eight and six seminars that phase that I focus 100 on my adversary

and the training in the more more in the more I'm still

still still I'm doing much study to put structure these

eight semmas final. So, it's a little distant to to have the

corners but there's much options. You mentioned that the team, they have, some of the

middle of the UFC, have the Chavakat that's a sign on a centuron,

there's invicto, you, you, the U.S. who is the champion, how is it,

if it's, that this, if it's that you can, the form, when you're when you're

when you're going to division and when you when you're training with a guy that is of your division, you train is different, you feel you perform in a way

different, you use abilities with these guys that you don't use with others, maybe to try and talk a company of training is a partner of a person, you need,

but how is, if it is some there is some if there's a difference when you train with people like? I think it can do it

can't really people to person to be a be a normal. I think there's people

that's a lot of a lot of maybe not a let's say, to show all the

things, and I think I think I think I know more to be a way

a way I don't I don't try to do anything to do nothing like that

nothing in the maldage but in what let's say in the regular

to be in without the my partner of the I

try I'm try I'm try a maximum and

if if could, say he vencering, we'll try finalize, we're trying to start in

there, I'm trying going to be doing to be able to be moving and I'm I'm moving

I'm trying dominate there's also, because I'm thinking, if this guy one day

will be my adversary, I want to dominate it from let me just let's make that thing

in the I'm there no, I'm there's a bit I'm thinking

poor he's effected by the Vincent Luke, oh, remember that he did, that the guy, poor, me amass

that the guy did this, did this, and this thing to mark a presence, yeah, of not be

to be in a question, I think, and I think, and even for me, like, because I,

for me it's very difficult, let's say, not train doing the my better. So,

I think it's just it's more even, this competitivity in me and me

really, but it but it's a thing very good also because, as I said, I always I always train in a form very leal, very limpa.

So, that's for this that I think I'm too much that I'm doing too too much in the Blacksilies, and we had trained very strong one with other, but we never

was always never was ever waser, never waschew, as I had a mached, or he had a mached, and we had a manned to

the other about this, and then we'd have to train very very strong, even being mached there's a

thing, can't push a force without, without, without, without,

because we can tryna, in form limp, then I think that's that makes with that

I have this attitude more competitive more, but really, really, to be to be the

lot of the different, because in the lot of there's a lot, yeah, really,

really, we're, so, if we're to make to macho- macho, if you're

to knock-e a, we're not so, but there that other competitive

too, we're saying, we're making the point, we're going to get a round,

we'll be who are going to get a situation. And it's that's the story

that you mentioned that the talk to the message with you post that, he says, a time,

because of a finalization? What? That's the question is, that's a point of a dinner,

he's a kind of I could say, he is a guy, he's a whole,

he's a grand, he's a little he's, with who he's training, he's talking, he's talking,

he's doing a lot of, and in one of this we're in a train of the show, and he, he's a

he's a he's a not, he goes to much of the food Brazilian, he's,

he's, he's, he's, he's a he's a marra, he goes very in a restaurant that,

I don't remember what's what's the name, I think it's something, I don't know if it's

a business, I'm gonna me talking of this restaurant that we had he said, want to

know, we'll do we're doing we're doing the grappling. Then I said, now we're going to do

the roll. If you're going to be a meal, and if I finalize, you have to pay an

lunch to me. I said, now we're going to then I do you do you

go to compete, I'm going to get me a rala disputed and I got

I'm getting I'm I'm not remember if it was a matalalian

a tram of some something that's the most the

positions And I came getting, I got it's got in the deal, so now I'm

going to collect this, I'll try, let's try, let's try finalize him like he and then he

me give two and then he will be in Vegas or the jantar will be back when you're to return the

Florida with more calm imagine that after the last you are you want to imagine,

imagine that you imagine that you imagine that you maintain this climate amistos

that It's a No, for me, it's what I always I always say, I over the I look at a way of a lot

very professional. It's always I am this sport, I never never leave him to a lot to say, even it's a

lot of personal, but the other side, he is a one of the sport, that is very very happy

in doing this, so I'm very happy, I respect much my adversaries, because they they're going to

have been things very very similar with me, there have a corte There's a camp that is

disgusting, at times there's some people they're going to superer victories and the result of

so, for me, it's a guy like I'm a man who I know, I'm not

the same way that I see him, a guy that is a good a good very similar

with me, so never I never I know this for the people, I think

with this little will be different and even to this, let's say

this this good relation I think it will be permanence

we're in we're in octagon this all we're in going to the world we're

I'm I'm going to I'm I'm I'm saying the way that one can honor the

other is doing the better it's not entering there really to to be to give

to do a lot a lot better in I'm in what

I'm trying to be going to to be to be the to be the champion

and I expect the that he enter there's a friend, it's it, it's,

it's, it's, it's, you know, he's you know, he's he's,

how he's, how he's rolling with him in the chow, you know, you know, the style of

you two, the tendency that's a more a finalization, or I think, the time of

the, we're going, without lead, like a time, you're going to

try to try with more more in- pet? So, I think,

I'm, I'm I'm many, many things in the ground. It's a

thing that I've been working working on much, but the fact is that the last

year I came out of my arms. So what was the last the last

the last was the wrestling, was the grappling because it was a lot of

I need to use much this. The proper Raphael was

looking about the lot and then I could show

this evolution and I don't don't make this of

a that I'm going to maintain afyada, I'm to maintain there present. So it

can't see, uh, know, there's different, if I'm the role,

the paper, in what I see I've seen on what I think I, a level superior of a level superior

of wrestling that we're obviously he's playing this and me showing, it was to Brazil to

trainar the Brazilian, to be to develop it. I know he's he's not

some way I can't some some I can't but I think I have the the better grappling,

so I don't go to this arm. But the procaation is my car chef, it's always

was a thing that I did a feel aftering more and more now, that I'm doing this,

I'm doing much attention with him with Henry, who is my trainer to kick-box a year,

with Daniel Mattes also, who is a man, who has been bringing new, foot-work,

skiv, and various angles that I actually I didn't explore much, and really very involved

my game, So a lot that I think will be very in the style of my last

it's going to happen to happen to be something, it's a knockout, but I, what I

see that I hope for this look for this lot of because no there's

we can't see the he's always come to front and always come

to press to the people when I when I are presson

the better out of I try to try to bat

to front and bathe even more I'll try devolve in double. A we're conversations

with a question of Raphael of the Anjus you talked about the difference that you

have in your life in your training after the source that you took the coagol

in the Cueblo in the Cerebrough and you know more intense in some aspects

in some sparring and we've seen the result in a Vincent different

with Raphael what these these mudances you adopted full-time, that you will maintain for this camp when you and Gary? It's making less sparring?

How is you are adopting, maintaining these alternatives? There are some of what you're doing? Other things you will go to what you'd do you do? I think, I adopted many mudances, and the majority

of them came to be able to find. So, the question of sparring, right? The sparring is one something I started to see that really not does

not sense I'm doing sparring the time entire because I have many hours of sparring

I have many experience are not some so I'm not even 14 years more or

less of MMA so so there have been looking MMMA and doing

sparring more so for every we do we do some 40 sparrs

let's some I'd say so I had much sparring so

now now what in this period, for example, I don't do I'm doing sparring and what I'm

doing, is go there in Miami so it's more or a minute, so it's a hour that I'm

but it's an opportunity to have more even my chown with guys that have a level

incomparable, nobody of the MMA have a level that these guys have in the

time. So it's an opportunity to I'm more even a thing

and train to a more more more intelligent, I think that this was what I what I saw

I have the gain of not not be the not be the same, but I also still have the opportunity to have a more

to have a more to fire to fire that I had to have been because I had to do do you

do you do you know, today, I'm in the last six weeks, so in that really it's

only in that when I'm all the strategy aligned, with all the all well-planned and with

some of with a partner's, let's say, in a new role of my time, that's a lot of,

let's say, a sparring, much more real than just to go to do do, let's say

test, I think it's just this period that I think that the first the career

was valid because I really really And much training technical. This is what I saw that in this level, in this moment of my career, I'm starting to do

do training of development technical in all the areas. So, a job specific, of wrestling, just I, the trainer, and a company of the training to me help to me to doze. So this I'm doing

a lot of times. You said about the situation dedicated that was the headstom, with this auditioned marked for being the trainer of those two, and with the companions

of training, when you said, when you're going to with Yang Gary, out of the team to train in other place, you need need to be there this conversation with

with the guys, you'll have to have to meet the Yan Geh to train with me, how are they keep in having relations

with the two and take the party for you to be in the academy doing this camp. I think that the

team here is very united. So what I think what I think it's how you I'm not come here

the time here the time here a more than six months morando here really 100%

in the team I think they made me abracated and they went to yeah we're not going to

do you know yeah like we're like I know the other other side so now we're

on the support so it was very great of the guys particularly the guys

I train of my category that are the Jason Jackson there

there's more a guy the the old Lano that

LUT on the NFL. He is a also, they two, they're saying that are

there's a to be in to make, and to do the job that's to be in to try to

and try me help to the so I think they've so, Vincent's here, he's the

guy that's in the team, so we're going to help him, we're, we're doing this

effort for the team and maybe also also, I think I think it the form,

like, meaning or not, we're here, we're a team, we're a We're

We're working together Maybe the day of the we're going to be in another,

but while we are in front we're doing one to the other. At the point of the centuron

to the Lioned's with the category, there will be the Chavarmonov against

the Shiffan Thompson. Rololour a conversation, I don't see with you or

you've heard of some of other athletes, of them be the plan B

if the Colbe or the Lyon say of the local? So,

it's not no no way a conversation of this time with me, and also

not say maybe the maybe the Chafcate or the underbors are in a reserve.

If it happened to be a thing, I'm going to be able to my hand if

someone if you want to if you want to not, never

I'm never recus a a dispute to not

but I don't if they have a plan of this will

be there but what will to have a option, you know, having me, the Chaff Cart

and the Underboy will be a card replet of 7. The business is batheed in the first in 1-70 Libras and not 171 because

if you need be a dispute centuron, not it's like the exactly yeah I'm going to

maintain this in the head important but I'm battle the piece 70

with just to finish what's what's the expectation for this dispute

of the Lyon and the Cove for many people the is a much time

pared the last victory was a guy that's over a guy that he's a guy who

he's a he's not a time he he's he's you think he he's he's

I think the Leon wins I think the Leon I think the Leon is a guy

a very complete, a man he got for me from the many of the

seven set set of all times that he's he's he got he got

I'm I call he I call him I call him this, and not I think that

be that's so parolid so I think he has, in my opinion, a great chance to mencee, and also I don't

agree with the Covey are disputing the Cintoron, but, in the things, what I feel

is that the category is going to be that the disfutored to the time, it's been

had to be a more time, but I believe in the victory to Lian, obviously,

Kobe is a very a guy that has a man that has level, to to fight with the

best, but it's a parted a lot of time. So this in the activity

can be a thing that's a thing that go to it, but we'll see, how it's going to

be in that night. There's the Belal the time of a chance of a

second thing and Gary also with the new Kono Magre, or Yaland and all,

you know, you came to a great victory about a big of a great with a

Gary, can you help to fur a field there pass to Belal, pass to

Shavkate, possibly the Underboy and be the next to the field? There's no idea.

The objective is this. I think that's what was what me attract you this

lot of this really, I think a man who has a lot a guy that's a

person in the way he says, he comes much attention.

The UFC is there is promoting it so

So I really see as a great a lot where I have a lot of going to get he's

a number after me he's not the number I'm not the experience that I know, he's not

he's a number he's not even a victory being a victory especially I think a lot of me alavankar back right,

I've got, I've got a victory against a ex-campion in Raphael of Angels, now,

counter a guy, to get this victory, contraent, in ascension, that is the guy of the hype the moment,

all the eyes will be there, so, it's going to be a other to put there to

get to be a way, to find, to be to put some in the field and

to be this cinturon. Now we we're to the interview with Larissa Pachacho and

the Bap with Rikson Zennydin that competes on the next Thursday

for a contact on Danda White with Tender series. He's how it's how it's

a lot of the style of a family a story very interesting. The interview come back after the

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in the push of the second centuron, now and in a new category, that on the day 24th of November, infanta Armina, by the centuron, now, of the peso pen, after being champion, the peso levy. Larissa, well, to be back to the podcast,

how is it, how is seeing the things, how it's anxiety, for more a lot of a million, for more a lot gigante

in your front in the NFL. Thank you know, thank you know, I like always we're here

to be talking and showing my work, so if I'm here, it's a sign that's being well,

and it's so, I'm very quite, I'm really a lot, yeah, I've been

working, I've been working two years then, I, so I'm not, so I'm

maintaining the rhythm still, uh, of competition, of the lot,

and no, no, no, it's never I'm going like, I'm, I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm, put in my case, that's, it's a experience,

has a story, so not because, today I'm in my battle, and in my,

so, seeking my career, that I, the other other athlete is important. So,

I, I think, that all possible, because I just did a thing that's a

impossible. So I think everything, that we always have to respect our own own our opponent, and continue

to work and do you know, continue to work, in the last last few you were a favorite one,

14 to 1, but you know, you know, it's the side of the other side of one,

and you were a zar-a-and-a- so you went the end-the- you're to confront a athlete that probably

will be a great a bad azeron against a fact that she will be to be a very much

to get to get to get to not just to get to a lot of a lot of five rounds

for this man there's a word me said much that was like

never I'm never I'm I'm I'm to know I'm

for my life because I know I'm don't

can't come with a victory that I don't

I always to work to get a way, I do my better independent

than what happened to be going to happen, everything is possible, man we don't we know but I'm

always always me preparing and always always ready to come to get a time in the hour,

not have failure, not have in the part of the same, not there fall in the

part of the ground, not there no, in the part of the part of the part of

this side and I worked much to revert this, and why the other

person also not you can't work to this happen to so I

continue always working training about not being not make not me feel comfortable to say

I'm going to she's she's she's she's she she she just just per

from the FFL to Kelle to Kelle Helson what you see in the game of her

that brings more that's the world against you? The only thing I

see that I see that It's a part of Grapley, because even the Jiu-Gitzo, I see that

she has, she has, but it's very farco, but I think the my game not is it's impeccable

in all these areas, but I do the basic very well. And I think it's more what I love,

so the basic, repeatedly, well-feited, it, it works. and it's what I do so

the game probably will be me aghra will be able to make a game very very much I'm going to

do you know I'm going with a Kaila and she she'd always that Kaila had the

Kaila had the she'd not could finalize she'd still her still

she'd really she'd not but I could finder the

things yeah yeah via the with with the with the Amber

and what was other. With Eve. With Evely, she was a war, she was a lot of good, but I think I had more punch than

Evely. I've just came in another rhythm, like, not dismeascent the job of her, but it was a lot of dula for the two. The fight with Amber, she passed away, but even got a risk,

that is very basic-on, you know, of Jiu-Jitsu, and I would have son. Yes, exactly. Even, because the Keila would be my

son, obviously, not? She was a level totally different of the lot. She has a game very

complete. But in compensation, what she does, she does perfectly. She does with an

thing, like, no, I have to defend it. It was a thing that was a

problem that my case, it's a situation that me makes a tranquill, I will continue

working, and I think it will do be done right. This year you did the point of the

year of the year of the first of the first of the first great contours of your NBA, got a lot of

many people, got a lot of many people, and then you passed for the two adversaries, not summed

any one the time that you passed against her together, how you enter in this lot?

You think will be a lot that has been a lot too to be a lot of first round. Obviously, you will

always be able to keep trying, knowing the possibility to do you know a second round, but you think it's you know that

she can't her after. I think, if she she could pass, if she could be able to get a

minute, two, first round, and I see how she if I put a hand,

and I think that I just made with the psychological of her, that she had seen the

the lot not will do that not not a round or if it would be done

it will do you know, but if I think she I'm not a resistant that she

she's able to absorb as well to get a more intelligent more cartelos I don't

have to get in despair when I win in the first round is because

I actually I think the lot and I think they they

they're that they sentier like man, she'll go like, and it's a

time, I feel like the smell of the same, and I see that I'm going to get,

it's not, but I think it like a lot of was a really, that was a

really a lot of a lot of a lot to be a way, to find a way,

to find out because I think I really the peace, I I'm really much

adapted, very more adapted, and in this ultimate about more

more even, cut of a piece, recuperation. So I think depending of what I feel like I

can't do a round or it can do five or three or I don't see, but if I'm going to be

going to end up to the future. You think a way to get in one, two minutes, you'll start

to you a aura, that was what we've seen, for example, at Crisibon in Strike Force, Chrisibok

in Invicta, the Rondeauze in the journey of the champion, that you enter in the Lutra, not to

see the Larissa will get but in the time she can't be this way of the turn of the

turn of the way to get in past to more than one it's a year my time my job to get back

to get back from a job justa with all everyone, respecting all. So, not a

thing I call to me, I want to create this rotlo of a

Larissa is this a Larissa is a person with the Ronda now

or with, I don't have even push a characteristic of the people,

I think the style, the Ronda has a style of her Amanda

her her her Christen her her her her the

proper A Kela has the style of her was

a one was a last doing the same thing,

and for I gained of her was a thing that was a very difficult because it was

a same thing, it was a big, I'm a I'm sorry, I'm not, I'm not,

so, so, each one has your style, each one has a characterist

a minor she, she will do 8 to 80, to do a minute to five

rounds, so it depends of the opponent of how we're but, but if

They want to want to give this credit, uh, of, of, to, in the reality, to see this emotion when it was a

minute, I'm a lot of a minute, a Kelehrenren, going finally, uh, to effect a Julia Bunch exactly in the,

66 kilos, no, the peso, what is this for, for you? You expect, you think,

you know, you think, you know, it will enter in the format of playoff, you can't see to find out

in 6 or you think that she's just will be able to do you want to do lots isolated, I think she'll

she's actually she's also she has a problem of health, I think she's like glycemic, or something

something, I forgets the term. And she she makes when she when she starts a piece

when it cut a much weight. Probably this year, he's prepared a one entire

to do a whole to do you know a lot. A we don't know, because the

Kayla, she says about say from say the PFL, to be in the FFL,

stay from the PFL, yeah, and then we never know the destiny certain of her, it's

maybe she it's a, it's maybe, she, she can be a other things,

she's, she's talking much about it. I don't can, I can, I can

say, about me in the moment, but I believe that she will want to be in the

super-lutas because it's very much more rentable for her she

she has this hype and if the champion and

know how they are so don't a credit much great for her

and for me where where where where where value

more my value I will be if it's

interesting for me financially I'm I'm in a tournament

if no, I do do super but because in the fact, like I

said, not the interview not about the but it's it's how

they've the value the value and and porro I'm doing a lot of

things I'm I'm showing a result that the probably

Keela that the star of my event not she she's

totally different I have a variation very great to gain for finalization, to get a back back, to knockoutia

in the first round, to show the game, so my game shows a lot thing, does more more emotion

in the public, I'm getting the public American, with this, the public Brazilian also, poche,

why not value it, so quite, not, how you value of her to do it? To be

to, it's not just for because of the money, but to,

but to convince you to say to out of the format of the tournament, they'll have to pay very very

in the money, you're going to get to be in the first of the first of the second year, the year,

the world will have to justify this, this is a move on certain, with the question,

what I do you obviously, I'm going to build a lot, but I need to

comfort, no, I don't get me matting here by the event, and, look,

just a result top, and while they're paying for other athletes that they're not getting too can't be,

it's not to see because the salary of the world is is available is public so we're we're people

people who are people who are getting up $750,000 $500,000 who don't give them the amount of

what I do I'm so, per then it's just to be a star of Instagram and then

I'm a good lotator and I'm want to my job my job. I want the value of what I battle for a car number to have. So I will give to you always, but I

also want a valorization of my work. Because I need this comfort to be able to entergal the good job. And it might be a change in the year that next, if it happens, the whole one is there, that PFR to buy a bellator, and then could be able to be it, get

to be a kiddeme, Sala, MacBain, many people good in this tournament, would have a movemented, the The challenges would be very major, and would have chance to to confront one of the most of the

times of the time, which is Crisborg. Imagine that it would be a stimulus even more to continue, or in the format of the pro-off or do you

a Cris-Borri, which is a lot of you said, that would have much interest to do do that would be the chance to say the

paper, yeah, that she's a chance of the role, now, that's that would, that would,

would, would, would, would be, it, is one of the grand events today,

it, does, poor, one of the major promotions that have so imagine I'd

augmentary the category feminina we'd make sure that would be and movement would be new challenges

the lotas more interesting and lutas disputed in fact so not not

not per any one or any that's it's yeah it's

it's possibly to put to one for a one

that's that's that's that's that's that's motivation is different, da a gas

a more, da more want to train, to superer, and, for, to do you know, to grow.

Imagine, when I when I'm when I'm when I'm in your house and today,

could make a lot with her and wincer, not it not be to any one, I'm,

I'm, I'm of one of some of the percusses so it is a difference very

great. The the proper cat's-engano also that's a story in the lot, it's a

lot of the lot of a lot of a lot of there's not there's there's a team more

solid there in Bela Tora and then you're being a BFFL would be perfect.

You think the Cris Borg is a lot more more than a car Harrison?

Yes, because even, even to get in a lot aghara to be

to be past by the person, and we know that Chris have

have a man pesadissima so it's so it's so I think the

I think the study the lot in the difficult than the lot aghraged

the can roll about it can't be to be able to but but in

the but in the if you don't have aligned you not even in the

not not not it's a man it's she was she

to be in the second is she I think she's a can't get or a kid and can't get a get a

question and she can't be a question I'm a kid got a yeah, she's an

little bit a level of a high level too well but it like I say to

get to the body it's difficult she she has she has she's

she she's resistant as porh because I think if a man man

pick her her and she's she It's just to let's finish

the last question, how is you see the moment of the category feminine in UFC was the event

that was the event that was able explode to make to make sure the main other organizations

but the FC did this empunham a more you have a much you have

a champion in the Pesu in the Pesu she was Amanda Nunes she didn't

not coro or a campaign how is you think it's he wants to He says what? The UFC, he's close to end up in-seller,

the fact the Pes-Penna in the organization, that he can't get aromar-al- someone that's a new name

to pay for, to leave this centuron in the Pes-Gall? How can you know, to see, the moment,

of the men, is there the throne vago? I think strange, because there menas, there,

men-in-s. But, it looks a a pattern of men-in-in-s, to be there. And this is a chato,

because it's a organization very strong, a woman, a organization that could be with a team of

a man in a big there, there, there, there's because we've in a

Bela Tora, we've been in the BFL, so how it's, there, not there, there,

so, so, why not not are rolling? Why don't not happening, so? We're seeing

that the category is being being being, I'm going to men's for this.

So it's strange to see, it's too, too, because if it's

probably influenceial the other events to have been I'm I'm sure, because if

this is it's a case, it makes the other events grow, showing

lots of quality, and, and, and, and we're there to show that

this, not, in the category of 70 that had menina's, I, Kayla, and more a barrage, Gina, Bob,

who are more the proper Olena, there are men, there's men, pesasaders to fight. We've shown that it could do great combats. So, the UFC is making this all I desire, prioritizing categories more backers, forcing, in fact, I think, it seems more this, forcing the meninas

to be downed in category, being put it was just by what Amanda just by the Amanda, Rhonda, the proper Chris when I was there was, what else?

The Germane, who was champion, including, I've lute with her. So there's people to fight just that's of valueization. I think of attention.

From the other side the line, we have Enrikson, Zendigin, who finally, after years, battalion, opportunities he will have the chance in the container series.

A little more time, I was waiting for problems video, there's a sudden in the middle of the way we'll talk about it, but, my friend, welcome to podcast. How about the other of the time of the week next week and the same week? I'm going to be with you. Well, a great one here, talking to you, car.

It's a great reference to the UMA, so I'm very happy for this opportunity. And finally, having this opportunity to live in front of the patron, Donna White, and with a great lot, So, no, an adversary very good, very good. It will be a great lot, with certainly.

I'm very well, I'm ready to finally to get a major organization in the M.A. of the world. Who we see in the media social, you've seen for this opportunity. You only have been 24 years,

but you're in this for a much time. You think it demuror? You think it it's, it's, it was good, for the other side, because you gave much

experience to be to be ready to to this moment, now. I've been asking a opportunity

for many years, I've who came to know, but I think it's no moment

right, in a moment of God, and I think it's not a moment certain, because I

came in a victory in the same of an ex-o-o- F-C, so, it's

a moment certain, I've I've already the people, I'm

the world, so I'm the moment certain to receive this opportunity and finally ingressar in the Ultimate Manila,

manor, who, who look at your career in the NBA and look at your age, you know, because you

have 24 years, but you're in 24 years, but you're streeed, at the 15, not was that? At the 14, yeah,

at the 14, yeah. How is that was this story, because the father, who had a relation with the

lot too, it's got from this adolescent, right? Yeah, it was a other

era, yeah, I had a 14 years, was 2013, so, for, for,

it's years that I am a lot of professional, so it's another

time, that was if it was today, it would be impossible, yeah, I'm a

time, I'm a man, no, yeah, in the time even,

even, even, even, for this, for I had come said for I'm

very soon, but I think that, I'm, I'm was a much in I'm

I'd say in the hand to the whole the people the people I'm in a lot of I was in

the time I'm not a front of the country I don't have more adversaries in the MMA Amador

so it was then that with my family decided I'm a professional and thanks

to God the father has a vast experience yeah the Lutored to WALE

MMA to come to come this evolution and I I was very happy for this,

because he he could me put in the three of the right, after the past many

experience, I'm doing with the other people so he got me put in the line there,

to continue in the rhythm certain and thanks of God, today, we're going to be ready

to enter in my organization of the world. And, I remember that one very in the first,

I don't see it was to be the first, or something, that came to mark a

lot of the chotot Brazil, for example, that came for the

age, now? Yeah, I sign a shoot-tow, I think I had 15 years,

I'm mean, I'm was, you know, I'm not a minute, I'm in

M.A. I'm just after, I'll signer there, I'm going to some days after

they, I think the people to say, to say to not to not

to not to be to be to be to I'm going to get a

So the guys came to get a paw in the event, and started a organization went to follow back and the organization we're going to

go, we're going to do you know, and I'm doing, I'm saying, I'm, after the pandemic, it was very in the

end of the pandemic, unfortunately, canceling the because of the pandemic, but, car, I think all happens the time right,

yeah, the jungle fight also, but due to my idea, too, the end of the we don't

sign-on, so there's a lot of time, so there's a lot of time, so there's a lot of time, but, thanks a God, they're going to be a great opportunity now. It's been like, for the age, you kind of

became, pretty, you know, those events regional, those events minor, that not were you know, to be a 14, 15,

and 16, and 16, years, put it, for this event, we had a, yeah, there's,

they'd be with the reaction of the public, of critics, these things like, you know, It's the better not

not to be in an event to not have a door of head. It's just allowed very, about the transmission, that was all the real, so the TV

yeah, not liberate, so I think that it's a good my career, but I think it was very good for me too,

for more experience too, to be able to continue here in the scenario, regional, also, I've had the

sports-abashed also in the scenario international, so this was very good for my career too,

and how is the story at the beginning of the lot? Because, because I heard the father,

he started me in a circus, a new thing of pro-Ressing, of telekete in the circus.

How is that story? So, it's been from the two of my father, so,

it's all everything. So my father grew and his his kids and

he left him in the circus, and then it was the telekate and

but at the hour, the telekete, the guys started to bathe one more more strong, and he's got in a porrata in the reality really, so he

grew up in this middle there, and he's going to govety, yeah, no, no Maitai, no kickboxing, no Taekondoh,

so he started from little, yeah, and he started MMA, right? I was all, it was all right,

no, it was all right, no, it was all right, so he just came to do a few years ago,

and, and, It was automatic, so, for him, it was going on this email, he always always liked much too,

and he'd in the hand with the guy, and he came to get to be in, Valle Tudu started to get to be

the Mekaword in Kutiba, there was one of the main events in the time, the world, it was one of

the world, so the father also, also, he did make the great luts

in the Mekaword in Storm, so, so, no chutotot the vina the Vindor

the Vindor the he accompanied all, the evolution of the value of the MMA. So, the family has some in the lus,

there's bloods, there, there's some in the wayas there, and we can continue this work that I

did that I'm doing the legado. I grew in a tatami. So, from two, in a tautamine, with two,

three years, I had had done presentations of the events, so he did the event,

the we, I, with the events, I, and my father did the main the event,

so it's a lot of the we're in the middle from the middle but you never had this experience that he had of a circus

so was a generation past, yeah, this was a generation pastada, so this side, so we don't

have, but what I see, he's talking that the techniques that he learned in this dance of circus

and things that were things that nobody did in MMA there apply, that you train today that he learned,

like he learned, like, out of a martial, traditional? I think it's a part of this there's a

he created the style Zenedin, so it's a style that not very very much very much there's a lot

that he did in the Mecca World that was was against an athlete of shoot-box, a martialon,

was an athlete very d'clock, and he used a lot of Tai Sabaq. Tye Sabaq is you

is to use the counter-attack, so the adversary is coming to to see one of the you, you go to be defending,

blocking, and you're going to be very famous. My father my father made a name in this

fight, because, po, the face of the adversary was completely deformed, but the

guy, not could see, because the adversary was going to into,

and he would be going to but the people not not could see

the final of the last the I have a interview on YouTube, I'm a joanne commenting

yeah, poe, you're with a car deformed, but you've beence Paulan and and so.

And, deformed the same the car so it's a time, but it's from the

from Valle Tudu so, so there some things that he pass to the but

it's a MMA even, it's the style Zendin yeah that was from the

years that he came competing he competed much in kick-box too compete

in the box in the Jujitos also this evolution that he had, all this great experience that he he built

the style Zendin created the style Zendin that we and my brothers just brought to all the

MMA so we don't have a style proper so all the we're Maitai

was made to MMI the Jiu Jiuits was brought to MMI the box to come MN

so even we're even a we make some some valiant the Keddaa with Kedda, box with Kedda, the Jiu-Jitio,

without a kimono, which is voted to MMA. So, this difference there, this vision that my father had, was essential, uh, for today that we're seeing as well as, we're seeing as well as

your style Zinidin, in the Lue, in front of the Lytte, how is you get the D'U. Andrea and pick this contract with the FCA? I'm, I'm a guy who I don't know the lot to live a lot to the decision, right? So, I think this just has been

much. And I will look at a lot being in-pair on the show. My adversary is an athlete that comes from kick-boxe, in-peer, he is very good, he's very good, I've seen some

lots of his own, but it's a recentement in the M.A. Professional, yeah, he's been a year- year-N-A-professional,

yeah, he's been a guy more of kick-box, yeah, he had a career in kick-box before the M.A. Yeah,

yeah, have a great experience, yeah, I think he's not the game of Jiu-Git, so,

but I believe that for him also, so it's a test very good, but I'm prepared but I'm prepared. I'm already a lot of my

experience, I believe of all of my last I'm in the years and I believe in the training of my family. So I think the our

style will be recognized on the day 10 of October now and I go to the finalization no-in-of-a-

no-in-a- no-imported I'm going to get to the matter, thank you very thank you very much for attention

there, reventing at the law too, me and the world. Thank you. Thank you. Very good. Thank you.

I've accompanied you for many of you for many of the years, car. So, I've always, I'm always accompanied

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