MMA Fighting - UFC 269 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Charles Oliveira, Julianna Pena Upset Title Wins

Episode Date: December 12, 2021

Charles Oliveira and Julianna Pena left UFC 269 as world champions following their submission wins over Dustin Poirier and Amanda Nunes. MMA Fighting's Mike Heck, Alexander K. Lee, Jed Meshew, Shaun Al-Shatti and E. Casey Leydon react to a plethora of storylines coming out of the final UFC PPV event of the year.  Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Alex K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Follow Shaheen Al-Shatt: @ShaunAlShatti Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Follow E. Casey Leydon: @ekc Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. That's right. I need this to wake me up. Oh, yeah, feel those drums. We are back with part two of our UFC 269 post-fight coverage. The final pay-per-view event of 2021 is in the books. Charles Olivera, still the UFC lightweight champion. And Juliana Pena, a brand new UFC women's band-in-way champion.

and we're here to recap all the action with all of you. We got the whole crew here. I am Mike Eck. We got A.K. Lee. We got Jedmishu. We got Casey Leiden. And... Oh, hold, oh, that's wrong camera.

You know what we also got... We're sponsored by GoPro, apparently. Go pro? Look at this. Oh. On location. Can we hear you? Can we hear you?

I can't hear him. We can't hear you. Oh, what's going on? Oh, there he is. He's coming in. Sean Lashadie is here as well. Hello, Sean. Scott?

What's going on, fellas? I can barely hear you, but we could just go for it. You know, it's funny you say that because we can barely hear you. We're like five P's in a pod right now. So thank you for joining us. But first, let me just shout out the theme of this post-fight show. We're going to call this UFC 269 post-fight show dot dot victory laps. Because apparently everybody wants to take a victory lap right now.

A.K., I know you want to take your own victory lap. We will get to you in a moment, but we got to go with what's trending. And Jed Mishu, you are trending bigger than Daniel Bryan was during his run in the WWE, when the yes movement was taking over the universe. You are the Daniel Brian, Jedmishu, of MMA media. You went out on a limb, the biggest limb in the history of limbs. You set it into a live microphone not once, not twice, but three times that Giuliana Pena would leave the T-Mobile arena tonight as the big.

Bannonweight champion, and sure enough, she has the Bannamweight title with her right now. Lap away, my friend, lap away. Man, y'all are never going to hear the end of this one. This is, I was doing the live blog for the site, and I apologize to anyone who did not buy the pay-per-view and was just trying to read that, because that's probably the worst live blog I've written because when Pena started dingin her up in the second round I was trying to type but I kind of just like oh my god this is about to happen I'm going to be the smartest man alive and then it just kept going and at any point in time I was expecting one of the haymakers

Nunes was throwing back to like end all of my hoping dreams in the saddest way because look Pena won dope but let's not forget like she did kind of get tooled up in that first round. Every time Nunes touched her, she was dropping her. And so when she just dug down into this brawling thing, I was like, this is incredible. She's going to do it. But then, oh my goodness, what if she just gets clipped here? Because Nunes was still just trying to find her. That whole sequence was awesome. I was yelling just at my TV while I was going on. I've never been a big Giuliana Pena fan, but that was easily like one of the most. most fun fight experiences of my life.

That happened in real time. So, yeah, amazing. Absolutely amazing moments. I'm glad you got to say that. Sean, I'm glad you're here. You were, I mean, you're in the building right now. You're in the building. You were there as Juliana Pena became the Bannonweight Champion of the world.

She did something that nobody expected her to do. She's a, Amanda News is a minus 1,000 favorite, except for Jed Mishu. Jed Mishu and Michael Kiesa were the only, in Juliana Paine, were the only three people on this earth who felt julietta bade you'd win this fight what did you think man you're there taking it all in what was that like for you to be a part of man utter shock utter and complete shock if i'm being honest with you i mean nobody in this building couldn't can believe it nobody in the arena could believe it none of the media could believe it and the way it happened to it wasn't just some fluke thing right he wasn't just some flash knockout

it wasn't just some random submission that she caught there was sort of a process through it that second around that you could see this sort of developing. And it was just, it is mystifying, man. It's honestly one of the most incredible things I've ever had the privilege to see in this sport. I mean, we try not to be too reactionary on these sort of post-fight things, right? These sort of vehicles for these post-mite thoughts. But it's hard for me not to say that that's the biggest upset in UFC history. We've been talking about a man of noon as the goat, as the female go is the greatest female fighter of all time for so long at this point.

She has held that belt for six years. She took it from Lisa Tate of all people. And Misha Tate's gone through a retirement and a comeback in that time. And Mennon was the one constant. She's been the one constant in the UFC for so, so, so long. And for Giuliana, Juliana Pena, who at one point, you know, she blew out every ligament in her knee seven years ago. She had the long layoff four years ago, five years ago.

A couple years ago, she was a loser of two of three. It was just never felt like it was going to happen. and now all of a sudden she's the one that beat a man and owns it. But not even that, she broke a man in it. She made her tired. She forced her to quit. It's unbelievable. It's hard for me to say that this is not the greatest upset in U.C. history.

It's definitely up there. I think a lot of people can make, obviously, the three big ones that come up are tonight, obviously, GSP and Sarah, and then Michael Bisbing and Luke Rockhold, all three excellent choices. You can make arguments for all three. But, man, this was a tough one to make an argument for. Jed, Mishu, you did it so eloquently. Jed, I want to go back to you. You nailed it.

I was dead all. I was exactly the way you said it was going to go. You said she was taking the first round, and then what? I said that if she was going to win, she had to won, and I wrote it today, she had to ugly the F up out of this fight, which is absolutely within the second round. And then I was like, yeah, you know, things. are weird and Amanda Nunes is maybe not maybe a little complacent here and this is just one of those things where she has a bad night and Pena comes in dialed in and makes it a really dirty ugly fight and that's like that's even what Nunes said in her post fight she's like I just

didn't have it today because that's said it a million times the most difficult thing to do in all of sports is defend a title time in a time out and especially when you're a minus 1,000 favorite. Like, even if you are the most psycho competitor, it's still, it's hard. That has to be difficult every day to wake up when the expectation is you're going to clobber this woman. And even in that second round, like, as far as I could tell from watching it, it looked to me like Nunes, for better or worse, just got into a, okay, I handled her in the first round, was never in danger, everything was fine. I'm just going to hit her and she's going to fall over. just hitting her and Payton didn't fall over and then oh crap I'm gassed out and I'm getting

drawn like it's just really difficult to defend your belt time and time out and I never would have said that Julianne was going to tap him in the third round but I don't think anyone alive would have thought she'd got it done that quickly but she did everything else she made it really ugly and just turned it into a dog fight and Newtah's got overconfident and didn't have her A game today and it cost it. I nailed it as far as I'm concerned. I think you did not, but... Jen was the second round. Second round. Second round. Second round.

It was the second round, too. That's what I think, like, Nunes fell apart so quickly. But what I think is interesting is like, this is very consistent with how Nunes loses. We just kind of forgot how she loses. If you go, go back and fight pass. Watch her fight when she lost in a victor. Watch out she lost to Katzangano. Watch out she lost to Lexus Davis.

It was the same way. Started out strong, faded fast. and I'm just, I'm just, I thought that, oh, you're alive. Oh, you're alive. Oh, oh my God. Oh. We just got everybody. Media source of the year. Media source of the year. Can we blur that out? Can we blur? Can we blur that? Mark, to be honest. I'm kidding.

We love you. We love the universe of the year have predicted Giuliana Pagia's epic, epic upset. Because I know which one I'd rather have. I got four meters firsts in a year. Only one person in the world has the pain you pick. And is this guy. You know what I was thinking is if I was happening, Jed? Remember that between the links episode that just you and I did?

We were talking about how to make the PFL better, the power bar and the energy bar. Like that fight in particular would be the perfect litmus test for how that energy bar would work. Because like it would have been perfect fight for it. Perfect fight for it. Oh, man. I need to get with somebody to develop that.

It's a really good idea. But let A.K. have a victory lap, too, because I'm the great genius of unexpected things, I was wrong about the main event. And one man, at least here, was certainly not. Yes. So teasing said victory lap. We have the Prince of Positivity, Mr. Alexander K. Lee,

who wanted to come on and take his own victory lap. Charles Olivera goes in there and defends his title against Dustin Porter. he submits him in the third round gets it done answered all the questions face some adversity does he have the heart does he quit can he get over the hump he did all those things and then he actually broke Dustin Porreier he actually broke Dustin Porreier and put him away in the third round so on your market set go AK lap away yeah this listen this was this one was definitely touch and go though I mean I think for a lot of Porreya supporters it was going exactly as they thought it would Like he was really messing Oliver.

This was just definitely a testament to Oliver's toughness, not necessarily his defense, because he just ate a lot of clean punches and fought through it. Had to get a little underhanded in round two. Let's be honest, there was a blatant glove grab there, a legal use of the glove, which he did use to sweep and get on top. Could have changed the whole, you know, rhythm of the fight.

I don't blame people. I think from now on, if everyone's going to point to the glove thing, like they talk about, you know, Habib and Tiramisu or whatever, bull crap, that's fine. He grabbed the glove. That is a fact. But I think we always talk about M.A. Unfortunately, and I love it because I think both guys are really nice guys and really honorable. I think we kind of joke like, well, you know, if you cheat and you don't get caught, then so be it. And that's the game. That's the way the business works. And in this case,

it did serve Ola very well. Did he need to do that to win the fight? I don't know. He certainly did and it did lead to winning round two and then winning round three as Mike said maybe you know breaking Porrele a little bit in round two though I did feel like as Dean Thomas pointed out that Porre did kind of know what he was doing that he he unfortunately

probably took more damage than he wanted to but was content with like okay I don't want to give him any sort of situation where he can put me in a more dangerous position so I'm going to keep him in a close guard and just ride the round out but it was for a long time and it certainly yeah but it certainly wasn't kind of

You got 10-8, unfortunately. I didn't give him a 10-8 because I would have said, because then if you did, I think it'd be a Poria at 10-8 in first round. I think 4-8. Oh, I didn't see this score cards. I didn't see this card. Mike, right? Two judges?

Two-10-8. I disagree with 10-8, but two judges did give it 10-8. Because he had him down for so long. Yeah, I think the first round, I guess they saw it as somewhat more back and forth, though I thought Porier did as much damage in round one as Olavera did in round two. But I get it. The optics of being on top for so long affects the score. But either way, like, yeah, you couldn't have gone wrong with either pick.

I was very confident Oliver, and frankly, I just couldn't get off the bandwagon because I've been pushing it for so long. I think since even before he beat Chandler. I was like, this guy is my number one. I think he's going to beat Chandler. I think he becomes the UFC champion. And I hope this doesn't hurt the narrative of Dustin Porre too much that, oh, he needed to win the big one to be considered. He's still a top five lightweight. I think Oliver maybe jumps over him now on most people's list.

I'm talking all time. And who knows how high Oliver can go if he has to defend, if he can. string together some more defenses because he's going to have to do it against the likes of like Justin Gaichy, probably Islam Makachev or even Benil Daryush would be a tough title defense if he beats Makachev. So he has a chance to build his legacy now. But yeah, very happy to see him get the win. And silence a lot of doubters, a lot of people who did not have him as their consensus number one. So good for, good for Dobrox. And all of us, Dobranks supporters. I just have to say, okay.

I just have to say quickly, the way that this whole Porriet title, or not Porre, but Olivera title run has played out. And in particular, these last two fights, it's almost too perfect in a way, right? Because obviously the narrative that followed this guy for a long time in this career, and we're so sick at hearing it was, oh, he's a frontrunner, he doesn't have the heart. Even after, you know, he wins this weird UFC title fight where it didn't really feel like this was a true title fight, but he does come back in this fight against Michael Chandler, it wins the round, I'm sorry, wins the fight.

Even then, you have people his contemporaries, Justin Gagetchi, all these guys saying, Charles Oliver doesn't have a heart. He wils when the adversity comes. He can't overcome the trouble. And then he does it again tonight, where he spends the whole first round just getting eaten hammers from Dustin for you over and over and over, knockdowns. It just comes out and dominates the next two rounds.

I am so sick and tired of this narrative. And at this point, it was already beyond lazy before UFC 269, but at this point, I never want to hear anybody talk about this and repeat this same tired line ever again. Charles Oliver is the furthest thing from the front. The way that this run has gone is one of the most inspirational things, frankly, we've ever seen. His career was a side note in this lightweight division for a long time. He was this guy who couldn't make weight.

He has these cool submission stats, but he's never going to accomplish anything. And now he's someone who just continually keeps overcoming this adversity over and over again and welcomes it. And it's just incredible to watch me. And I don't want to hear anybody ever, ever again, doubt this man's heart, doubt this man's will and desire to continue doing things. It's just incredible. It's one of the more incredible things we've seen. What's the difference between Oliver and Nunes, though? Because that's what Nunes, to me, her big thing was,

before she became this run, this long run, she was a front runner that eventually just wilted. Is there, Charles Alvarez turned into an Amanda? Well, so the differences, right? The difference is Amanda Nunes just spent the last six years doing whatever she wanted, right? She was just winning.

Yeah, just being in front. in front the whole time for the most part. Like she didn't have to deal with that. And at a certain point, when you're that person for one year, two year, three years, four years, at a certain point, like, I would imagine it's just easy to get tired of it, right? Or easy to get maybe a little complacent, easy to maybe take a day off on training here, that sort of thing. I'm not saying I know that she did that, but I just, it's natural inherent as a human being

when you're on the top that long to get bored a little bit, to just kind of stop seeing people, certain people as, you know, these really difficult challengers. And I'm just going to walk through this girl, just like I've got to walk through all these other girls. Charles Olivera's not there. He's not going to be there for a long time because he did have to overcome so much just to even get to this point.

To me, it's just, it's crazy. It's crazy to see. Yeah. One of the questions, Sean, that we had heading into this fight was who needed this one more? Was it Charles Olivera to answer those questions and prove those doubters wrong?

Or was it Dustin Poirier, who, by the way, and I kept trying to like see if anyone can make argument for Dustin Porre. And even me, I thought it was closer than some of the other people thought it was. Everyone said it was a runaway, a landslide for Charles Oliver, but I thought it was actually a little bit closer because of what that title meant to Dustin Porier. Like he's got this mental mantle with all these awards and accolades and titles and we know much the interim title meant to him. But him coming up short tonight, I don't think it hurts his legacy or the way people view him whatsoever. But in his own mind, how much is losing tonight going to bother him in the

long run, do you think? I would actually disagree with you a little bit. I think it does hurt his legacy a tiny bit, if I'm being honest. And that kind of hurts to say, because I like Dustin Poirier a lot. As a man, as a human being, as an athlete, he's incredible in a lot of ways, right? But I was one of the people who thought he was the number one lightweight in the world after Habib retired. And I've been banging that drum ever since Habib retired, and he was sort of that

uncrowned champion, but we just saw tonight that probably wasn't true. And so was there ever a point in his life where he was that number one lightweight? It's hard to say, right? I think that hurts his legacy. And I think that probably, like you said, Mike, I think it's going to hurt him internally too when he thinks about it.

He's going to have that question still. He's not going to have that validation because that validation is really what he's been searching for for all of his career. Like we lived and died with this guy the whole way through, and he's an emotional guy. He wears his heart on his sleeve.

And it hurts to see him like that because we've seen him like that before. said tonight, you know, I'm sick of crying in these press conferences in front of the media guys and it's just like, dude, I was there in Abu Dhabi when he lost to Abbe and, you know, I've been there for other various press conferences where this sort of thing happens

with Dustin. It's tough to say. I mean, he's one of the greatest lightweights of all time. He's definitely on the short list, but it's going to, he is going to maybe go down as that guy who's one of the great fighters to never win a true undisputed title. And I think that hurts him more than it. Yeah, I think there's

like when we talk about it, I definitely think there's a certain ding that the legacy takes, right? But just looking on social media and seeing how fans can be react and be fickle. We're not seeing a lot of Dustin Porre hate. We're not seeing a lot of oh, this guy sucked. He's a flash of the pant. Oh, he'd just beat Connor. We're seeing a lot more praise for Charles Olivera and what he was able to do because he defeated a guy of the stature of Dustin Porre. So yeah, certainly a ding in the rankings. Certainly a ding to the legacy. But overall the view of Dustin Forier at least right now

doesn't change a whole hell of a lot it just almost enhances what Charles Oliver did tonight which is kind of the point I was trying to make but great stuff I mean two really good fights some really interesting storylines you want to just go to the peeps Casey because I mean they I'm sure they're going to

want to bring up some stuff that we're going to talk about let them control the narrative a little bit so many fights so many so many peeps so many peeps though So let's go. I want to say on the Poyer thing, though, I think that this one's going to bother the hell out of him. I 100%. Maybe not because of the loss in general, but the way that fight played out, I think he's going to watch the tape and just hate everything he did.

And I picked Poyette. I thought he was going to win. I thought he didn't look good walking to the cage. Like, I don't know, you know, body language, armchair psychologist or whatever. I thought Olavera looked freaking die. like he was ready to go make a statement I thought poor a look a little disengaged and he won the first round clearly but it was to me that first round like when olivera survived it I I would have bet a ton of money on oliver coming out of

that it was like John Jones Daniel Cormier like Cormier was putting the wood to him you know early but Jones kept attacking the body and was clearly laying the foundation to win later he was going to win the war if he lost losing to battle. And Porreier just, I don't think brawling necessarily was bad, but I, I thought every middle tactic he did was not strong. He got stuck into it. He didn't want to or should have competed in. And it was full credit to Oliver. Like, that was clearly what they dialed up. They planned it. They executed to perfection. He was landing those knee, those intercepting knees, those knees inside. That little short uppercut, he landed a hundred times on Dustin Porre in the

clinch. I thought Oliver, to your brother. To your. point my oliver looked sensational like i hadn't had him as the number one dude we do our rankings he's got it for me like i thought he looked fan friggin'tastic yep do you think he knew he knew his guy he knew his guy to a team he knew exactly what he's gonna do and i thought and if you had told me coming in that that was his plan i've been like that's insane because he's gonna have to eat a bunch of rockets from dust and he's gonna get melted and honestly like that is objectively true but he ate him and he didn't get melted. So, like, full credit to that dude.

That's one bad man. Look, this is two fights in a row where he could have, the Bronx could have been taken out in the first round. He was getting killed by Chandler, killed in the first round. And Chandler, I think, kind of made more of a tactical error, I think. Then Porre was perfect. Porre knocked him down, kind of went for a little ground and pound,

and then backed away. Backed away. When he jumped in Oliver's guard, I was like, no. And then he got out, like, yeah. And that was like 90 seconds to work in round once. I'm like, Porre's got a plan. Like, this is going exactly as he wants to. If Oliver, once he gets back up, I don't know if he's going to make it to the next round.

But, I mean, he did survive. His striking and his defense of Rawls, even though I criticized his defense before, it's still better than it used to be. But still, I mean, you know, your findings on some foray, how good can it be? So, yeah, it's crazy. He just doesn't, he doesn't have that air of invincibility of a Habib, obviously. So I don't want to make those comparisons. But it really is impressive that he came back from reverses.

because Michael Chandler could have been the UFC champion when they fought, and now what does some Fourier, and you run this fight back a hundred times. It goes, what, 50-50, 51-49, 55-45, like they're just so, they're so well-matched, and it just wasn't Porriere's night tonight. And Oliver, again, has been on such a hot streak. He's got the hottest hand of the dice game I've seen a long time because he fights a very risky style and he's just been the man that's been coming out on top,

which is a testament to his toughness and like how friggin' skilled he is. Holy God. Roman 7s, baby. The Connor of your strategy to success. Yeah, every time. You're in the back door, little Joe. Yeah, if they fought 100 times, I do agree. It's like 55, 45, I don't know.

It's super close. Like, I don't, this isn't one of those fights. Dogs. This isn't one of those fights where you think, you know, Oliver's go and win every single time. But, hold on me, continue, I got to get the dog. But also, that's sort of the state of the lightweight division right now. right like all of these guys feel so close to each other like obviously chucky olives is the guy right now he's the man but

it feels like any of these top lightways could win on any given night and it's just really cool to see because we had this very long period of dominance there with habib and then the Connor era before it was very weird because there was just the title was the limbo for so long but now we're here and we're rolling at all of these lightways again on any given night is the margin of victory in the margin of error with all of them is so narrow it's it feels so cool to just be in the space right now in the cluster of guys we have at the top of this division, it feels like any given title fight could just be switch at a switch at the reins, right? Like, it's just, it's crazy to see. I can't remember a division where the parity was this close at a moment like this. Who are you guys picking? Who are you guys? Let me hear it right now.

Who you guys? Mike, let me throw it to you first. I'm probably picking Gaichi. Oh, Sean. Oh, God. I'm probably going to pick Gaichi again. Gaichi for sure. I would have picked Gaetzi to win against Poir in a rematch.

I think either he or Makachev, I think, best lightweets on the planet. Oliver, deservedly, is the number one guy. But if I'm just picking who's winning tomorrow, and that's actually the only thing I disagree with you, John, because, I mean, lightweights are the best division of the sport, so a ton of parity. But I think there's a really good chance Makachev is just like 80% of Kabib, which is still better than everybody else.

else by like a pretty clear margin in the division. So I don't, I think he's going to get the belt next year and he's probably going to have it for a hot minute. Yeah, I'm, I'm very excited for that fight between him and Darius, because that's all we've been waiting for, right? Like, we're all convinced that this guy very well could be the best 55 in the world, but he just doesn't have that top five win. And he's going to get his opportunity coming up in February. So, really good fight. By the way, in case you guys weren't aware. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead, John.

Just really quickly. If you're Dustin Poirier right now, is your move to just hold out and sit and sort of wait on the sidelines until the corner of the record is ready and then get that fourth back? That or Dad or just go for Nate. Just get that Nate fight, right? They're not going to give him Nate though. They're not going to, well, they wouldn't give,

they wouldn't give Nate Dustin. I guess it's a better way to say this, right? Like that feels like it's too, I don't know. It feels like it's too big of a fight to let Nate have on his way out. If he's really like on his way out. There's a loss for Nate to have on his way out. I'm just saying it feels like they're not trying to give Nate any favors on the way out. And that kind of would be a little bit of a favor of like, hey, here's a big name and it's sort of a big spot in his career.

I just don't see that happening. Maybe I'm wrong. But that doesn't come up. It feels like Dustin kind of waiting for Connor might be his best option. I agree. I think if Dustin wants it. If Dustin wants it and calls for it, I think he'll get it. But if he sits and waits and just Diaz does his Twitter thing and just starts dropping tweets on Poria, I don't think if Dustin wants.

I don't think it does anything, but I think if Dustin Porre in a couple weeks, he goes on Ariel's show, and he just cuts his scathing promo on wanting to punch Nate Diaz in the face at 170 pounds, I think the UFC would give him that fight, but only in that sense. Go ahead, Casey. Oh, I was like, I mean, the Dustin we saw tonight, I don't, I'm not 100% sure he beats Nate Diaz at 170. I know Jed was like he's going to take a loss, but I don't know. I did think Dustin was the best lightweight coming into tonight. You know, there are holes.

there are still holes with Dustin Porre. Unfortunately, especially, you know, I think a guy as durable as Nate Diaz and the grappling. I don't know. And it would be undersized. I'm just saying that's why I kind of agree with John. I don't think that fight would happen. I don't even know that it's holes, though, right?

It's just like that's Dustin's style. That's why we love Dustin is he could win or lose any fight at any given moment just because he's so willing to engage in ball with all of these guys. I totally agree. Great for question. We had a million bonuses tonight. A million while we pulled up the questions. Pedro Munoz, Dominic Cruz, Fight of the Night.

I think that's right. Six performance bonuses. Bruno Silva, Tai Tui Vasa, Kai Kar, France, Julianna Pani, of course. Sean O'Malley, Charles Oliveira, and poor Julian Robertson almost loses an eyeball and takes on someone who missed weight by like 14 pounds, gets a submission in the first round,

and no bonus for her. I know placement. And Andre Munez, UFC, it's another nasty arm bar, first round submission. No, no one way traffic. And he doesn't get any.

Tony Kelly. Tony Kelly just breaks Randy Costa, puts him away in the second. No bonus. This is why, two rounds. That man drove all the way to Las Vegas with no mask on or in it.

So he didn't have to put on a mask. Give it. No, I'm kidding. But this is why we either, obviously, ideally you get rid of the whole bonus system and you just raise salaries, you know, you get win-loss system gone,

bonuses gone, raise the salaries to the appropriate level, or if you're going to keep the bonuses, 50 Gs for every finish. Everyone who finishes gets 50 Gs. Because if you want to say, oh, well, you know, you want to make a distinction what the best performance is worth. They gave out six tonight.

We gave out six. Clearly, them being special doesn't matter. Just say if you finish a fight, you get 50 Gs or 100 Gs if we have to keep the stupid bonus system. And you get 50 keys for surviving, a fight against Ryan Hall. He should get... They should take care of Derek Manner

for the rest of his life because he's a changed man. I know. He's a changed man and maybe the second greatest grappler of all time because he somehow went the distance with Ryan Hall. I'll have to watch that fight again

multiple times to understand how. But I agree with Casey with what you said. Derek Manner deserves a lot of respect. Yeah. Yeah. Plus, if we get rid of the bonus system there will be two very big benefits. One, Charles Oliver will have the most bonuses or whatever, however they've been counted.

from that forever so A Clay will be thrilled and I would pay a hundred dollars a pay per view if they will just pay the fighters more so I don't hear every post-fight interview begging for cash like like that they are they are impoverished people like it is it's the worst look ever and it genuinely hurts my viewing experience to know that every undercard fighter even if their win was garbage like I hope that's good enough 50 Gs Dana God, just pay these people a fair wage for the love of all things. I love they're fighting the highest level of their sport in the biggest pay-per-view and sold-out arena, and they have roommates. What was the first thing Tai Tui Vasa said when he went into the media room before anyone even asked him a question?

You picked up the microphone and said 50 Gs. 50 Gs, I reckon. First, that was the first thing you said. And then when he was asked the question, what was his first answer? 50 G's 50 G's again. This man, I love that man. This man drinks out of shoes. He needs more than $50,000 to turn his life around, okay?

Give him, again, like I said, increase the bonuses or just pay him more money. This man needs help. I love Taito Abasta. Stop drinking out of shoes. Oh, no way. He's living in the gimmick. Are you kidding me? That's his gimmick.

It's fantastic. Right after he won, we have different monitors here in the media room, so we kind of see things when it's on commercial. Right after he won, there were just lines of fans in the stands taking their shoes off faster than I've ever seen people take their shoes off and holding their shoes and their beers in their hands aloft, just waiting for the chance of Ty doing a shoe out of their shoe. That guy has the best gimmick going in the UFC right now. I absolutely love it. I asked him earlier, I asked him in the media availability, why did you pick Barbie Girl as your walkout song? What was the inspiration for that? He had a one line answer of, I'm a bar.

That's fantastic, man. This dude is so spectacular in every possible way. For Stray wins now after a three-fight losing streak. I'm so happy he's still in our lives and doing this on a big stage like this. Like, you can't. That's true heavyweight MMA right there. When you have a guy doing that, doing shoe, he's on the cage and doing shoes. He's at the crowd.

He got into like an altercation with a security guard here in the arena because they were trying to like usher him out and push him out of the arena and like, hey, hey, you can't be doing this with these fans. And he got like legitimately. Like he was real upset about it back here when we brought him back. He was a hell of that man. A lot of upset much. He should have been on the main card.

He'll come to see me to knock people out and do shooies. That was his answer. It was brilliant. Everything comes out of his mouth. I'm just fascinated by it. Go ahead, AK. He should have been on the main card. Him and Sakai instead of the Neil Ponsonibio fight,

that should have been on the main card. With respect to Neil and Ponziabia, I get. I guess they're considered higher ranked than Tivasa and Sakai. Greg Hardy is on the main card. I didn't want to say it, but if you're going to keep putting Greg Hardy on main cards, he's on the opening. But Tai Tuvasa isn't on the main card. What are we doing? Taito Vasa is a star.

Taito Vasa is a star. Like, this is absurd. You should be putting on pay-per-view. I get, I know a lot of these fighters like, oh, I'm happy to be on ESPN, ESPN plus, whatever. But there is still distinction between being on free or I guess subscription television and being on pay-per-view. And Taito-A-V-A-V-A should be on pay-per-view. His walkout was not played up. I don't know if you guys got it in the U.S.

I didn't get it in Canada. Yeah, okay, so we didn't get it up here, and I had to read that he came out to Barbie girl. Did not get to hear it or see his Barbie girl energy. Huge mistake, UFC. Huge mistake. Can you show us the energy right now? What's that? There is that.

There is the energy. Is that the Barbie girl? It was just fantastic. But really quickly, so we're getting kicked out of here at the Meteoran seconds. But I do want to just talk about something. The cemetery tonight of what happened with Cody Garbray and what happened with Dominic Cruz to me, to me. is just almost so poetic and it's so strange now

this place that we've reached with Cody Garbrand because I think he's going to be the saga of Cody Garbrand is going to be one of the more like difficult things to explain to the next generation it's looking like because we've reached a point with this guy

where that win over Dominic Cruz which in my mind remains one of the most brilliant performances we have ever seen from the title challenger in UFC history that is becoming now a footnote to a career that feels like it peaked at like age 25 Like this is really crazy at this.

I can't think of any comparisons for a precipitous drop to this degree. I mean, this is a guy who's now lost five of his last six. He could knock down seven times over that stretch. And I mean, tonight this was a bad one, man. Like, he came in here with his brain dehydrated worse than it's ever been before to make this cut to 1.25. And I think he got knocked down like three more times adding to that total. Like, that's not the stat we want to see from a guy who's 30 years old, man.

And obviously, in retrospect, maybe six. someone who's historically struggled with durability issues coming down to this way. You should have seen this coming. But it's just a sad outcome to my mind for a guy that, obviously you don't want to write anybody off this early in their career. But at one point where it's looking at this guy, like a future legend. And now I genuinely like don't even know really what to do with Cody Gar, man. Like if you try to let him keep going at 125, do you make him go back up to 1 to 135?

The dominant cruise rematch is suddenly kind of like interesting to me. Like Casey, you threw that out. And to me, that fight kind of actually makes a lot of sense. I don't know. It's just so bizarre this place we've reached with Cody. I didn't see it coming. I really didn't. I thought after that cruise fight that this is going to be a future Hall of Famer. It's just it has not played out that way. Yeah, very interesting stuff. What a 30 for 30 that's going to be someday. The no love story. I was thinking about it after this fight. He's Johnny Hendricks. Like, this is the exact same career. or Johnny Hendricks

had maybe more wins before he got the title but he lost it and then just was done and I can't figure out the common thread that has made both of them be awful but that is yeah weird gonna be really weird to look back on Cody Garber

and think he was a U.S. champion in like 15 years do you have to go Sean? Yeah I do have to go but appreciate you guys and then keep killing about everybody Love you, man. Hi, Sean. Love you, John.

Love you, Jean. Love you, Gene. There is. Live from Las Vegas, Mr. Sean Alshaddy, jumping on in. Let's give Garbred. I still say give him one more shot at 125. I know that seems like a terrible idea that a lot of people. I just think, yeah, I think, like, I honestly don't think the cut was as bad for him as people.

I don't think, let me put this way. I don't think it made his chin any worse. I know, I know, like, how could it not? But I think it's bad at 135 or 125, but he seemed to be okay with making the weight cut. honestly he didn't look he didn't look worse to me in this fight than he has in some of his he got hit big shots yeah i really don't think it's a chin he just gets hit hard i don't think it's yeah it's a defensive issue it's it's a tactical issue um yeah he just i agree that i don't i agree i don't think the chin but like literally the thing that his career was made on was he's a good

wrestler because he didn't get taken down at 135 it's super fast hands and he doesn't have those at 125. He's just middle of the road. I would, I would ballpark. But I thought, uh, Kikara France looked faster than him. And there were some tactical things that maybe played a role, but like, dude, I, I think he's way better served at 135. See, he had a market speed advantage. And it's not like, he didn't lose at Bannonweight because he was physically overpowered. He should take, he needs to take every advantage you can get into fight at this point. because let's be honest he's not tactically great like he's just not and that's yeah the thing is that beat edge big time here's the thing what's getting lost in this though is is that

kai car franz is really good like he's really good i was saying this when this matchup was made i was saying this in the preview shows we did i was like i don't want this to become like if something you know bad happens to cody that it's like oh he just like he just sucks now it's like car car France is really, really, really good. So if he looks slow compared to, like, Kai Kar France, it's like, that has more to do with Kai Kar France than Cody. That doesn't matter what weight class Cody fights at. I mean, so I think, like I said, I don't want to say this was the wrong opponent for him

because I get it. They wanted to give him a top 10 guy so he could win and they could shoot him right into a title shot. But that was so misguided. And, Mike, you kind of joked about it. Like, if he'd been thrown in there, I think it was you said, if he had been thrown in there with Figurato last year, Figurato would have murdered him. It was terrible.

Oh, yeah, murder tonight. Right. Hey, what do you got to murder tonight? So I just, I do, I do feel like there's, there is, like, fights he can have at 125. And I get it. He's one of those guys who's become a victim of his own success. He's a former UFC champion.

He was still ranked at Bantonweight when he, when he moved down to flyweight. So it's like, it's like, well, how can you move, like, give him guys outside the top 15? But I wouldn't mind seeing him fighting, like, I mean, there's a lot of good. Flyweight is so good because it's a smaller division. So everyone there is, like, close to elite. I don't know. like a Bruno Silva, the flyweight version. I don't know, Zeruk Adashem.

I'm having to look at my rankings right now. I'm not just pulling these names out of my head here. Mark De La Rosa, if he's still around, I'm not sure he is. Francisco Figurato. Francisco Figurado. He couldn't fight Francisco Figurado? Like, I think there's fights for him. I get it that are not appealing to him probably, like if he looks at these names,

but if he wants to take a step back and be realistic, I do think that he can compete at 125, but I just think this fight was really bad against, a great opponent. And we saw like the worst of him. And I know we've been seeing the worst of him for a while, but I'm not quite giving up on this weight class change yet. I don't know why.

I don't know why. Maybe Cody Garbent just isn't. Well, what is wrong with Cody Garberant just maybe just not being a top 10 fighter? Maybe he's, I know he does a fight like Clay Guida, but Clay Guida's fought like 2,000 fights in the UFC. And he's, he's scratched being a top 10 fighter maybe once. I don't know. Maybe he just, maybe he's just a guy that's just good.

And we just got to get over the fact that he's not elite. He's just a good action fighter. And he just fights in the mid-range cards, you know. There's nothing wrong with that at all, Casey. The problem is the way that this has gone about. Like, I don't have any issues with the wins and losses for him. Cool. He has a ceiling.

That's fine. I do have an issue when he's, I forget who put up the stat. He's been dropped seven times his last six fights. Michael Carroll. Michael Carroll. Michael Cahill? He's been knocked, like, knocked out, knocked out in four of his last six fights. Like, that's, that's super, super bad.

I think we may change. I don't know if he never had a great chin or we got cracked, however what you won't call it, his chin is certainly not the best and it's not getting better. and if I was hit part of his team I would have a legitimate conversation about retiring not because he cannot compete against a number of people but because anytime somebody gets dropped seven times that's you should at least have that conversation and be like hey there are other ways to make money that don't jeopardize your long term health because that's like a real thing and I will now always be afraid of him getting got again anytime he goes in the cage Yeah, and it sucks. And the problem is, I understand we'd love to see Cody Garbrand take a step back and fight the 45th ranked

Bannamweight or flyweight in the world. Unfortunately, when you are booked to fight for a title less than a year ago, and then you are, if you won tonight, if you want a split decision tonight, you were fighting for the title next year. You can't just fight somebody out of the rankings. Your name has value. You were a former champion.

you present some sort of intrigue when cody garbren is involved in a fight people care about it so putting him against ziruk adachev makes absolutely no sense it makes literally no sense there are no when you're cody garber right now you just not there be why can't there be because this is not candy land this is not candy land it just isn't i'd love to Greg hardy gets 10,000 tuna fights this is candy land if you're the right fighter okay when great hardy's a world champion When Greg Hardy becomes a world champion and starts getting title shots. That's not a rule. It's just, I mean.

Casey, come on, dude. This is the UFC. You've been covering the sport for like over a decade now. This is how the UFC does business. This is how they've done business forever. Also, Cody Garbrand. Cody Garbrandt's not taking that fight. Cody Garbrant clearly doesn't think there's anything wrong.

Like, it's why he's going to fight. But I mean, we're talking about what has to change. You guys are going to say. It definitely starts with him. Like, I mean, like, I'm just saying it's not impossible. You've seen stranger things happen in MMA, and I think there is a path to him becoming a respectable, successful fighter again, but it's a long path. It's not the path that they've been trying to put him on now, like, where it's just a role of nonstop killers. Right, but there's no, it makes no sense to fight Zaruch-Gadishav, because if he loses to Zeruk Adishaf, you're done.

Then you're done. If he's already, if he loses to anybody he's done, isn't he done already? There's zero reward beating Zerrucadishav, zero. If he fights Manel Copp and gets killed, he's done. If he fights Sean O'Malley and gets killed, he's done. If he gets killed, he's done. He's done. Can we at least give him a fight where we think he'd be.

Can we give him a fight where he think he'd be favored? Is that not like, can we not do that? He just had a fight where he was favored. He just had a fight where he's favorite. And he shouldn't have been. And he shouldn't have been. That was a, that was an underself, Kai. I don't think any, I don't know how many of us picked, uh, Cody.

I don't think any of us. I picked him to win by first round knockout, just, Because I had questions about Kai Kar-Franc's chin just as much as I had questions about Cody Gar-Brand's chin. And if Cody was going to win, he was going to do it in the first round. And plus, I knew everybody else were going to pick Kai-Kar-France. So it was worth the flyer to pick Cody Gar-Brand to win in the first round that he would actually, like, throw punches and stuff. But he didn't. And that's what happened.

So, but sorry, I, it's just not the way the UFC does business. But Chris Wyman just got his leg shattered. The same doesn't make sense. Chris Wyman just got his leg broken by Yari Ha-Hawley. They're not going to give him a tune up fight. He's going to end up fighting freaking Andre Muniz sometime next year. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. I'm sorry.

It sucks. I'd love to see Chris Wyman fight a guy who just got a contract on the contender series, but it's just not going to happen. I do. I really like Garbrant Cruz rematch. I don't know if Cruz would take it. That's a problem. Yeah.

But, Casey, I like that. I think that's pretty fascinating because the more I think back on that fight, I'm starting to think that the reason Garbrandt was able to win is because Dominic Cruz doesn't hit all that hard. Yeah, he's not a hard hitter. Yeah, he doesn't hit all that hard. So, like, it was fine. And that's still the same.

So he might actually still be able to win that because I also think Dom's pretty faded. Yeah. He's been after tonight. He had to sneak in the Dom disrespect. Yeah, yeah, Dom did. I told you that we're going to talk about John. I told you.

Dom was going to win that fight. I told you. I called it. I picked them too. Let's go to the people. You're all driving me nuts. I'm with the us. I'm with you on the, I didn't, I thought Cruz still.

Did Dominic gift it a win? I had it a draw. I had round one, Pedro, 10, 9. Dom took round two in round three, 10, 9 each. Round 3, 109. What? Wait, that's not a draw. How did you score to draw?

Remember a page? You're saying it the first round was a 10-8? Yeah, that's what he said. He clearly says 10-9 here. No, yeah, he means 10-8. He means 10-8. No, the first round was 10-8. It was not a 10-8.

It was not a 10-8. But drop-old. I actually would have scored it a 10-8 if we were doing a live-blood on it. I didn't think it was a 10-8. Remember, Dom actually finished really strong that round. He did. He did. He did.

He did. He did the top-fice. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You need the 3-Ds. It wasn't again. It wasn't a Gave. It wasn't a period.

A Pedro did really well It was I thought I was fighting in night That was fighting in night Great fight in night Great fight Yeah

And did anyone see that Did anyone come into this card To think that was going to be Fight at the night No No Yeah not really Yeah we all

We all thought Oh Fedger's gonna chop his legs up And that's gonna be the fight And that's not what happened He didn't do that Cruz I don't know about that

I pick Cruz Well I mean So did the fight kind of go How you thought it was gonna go Um AK I didn't think he'd get knocked. I didn't think he'd get knocked down like that in the first round. I'll tell you that much.

I thought it was over, man. I thought, uh, I thought, uh, Keith Peterson's. I'm glad I love Dom, I love Dom's pettiness. I'm glad we got to throw some Keith Peterson shade in there. That was, God bless Dom. Yes. He had to. Even after getting punched in the head many, many times with Pedro Munoz, he had the wherewithal to short throw a little shot at. No nonsense. He did not get gifted to win. That was a clear win. Have you talked about Garbering yet? Where does it go? about you just talked about Garberra for 28 minutes. No, I don't recall mentioning it. A.K. wants to send him the contender series.

Casey wants to send him to Titan FC, but still get UFC money. No, no. I just make him a mid-level guy. We're done talking about Cody Garber. There were so many things. I want to send Cody Garbrand to the farm. He's done. Let's talk about this lady.

Yeah, sure. Oh, my God. That's what people are saying. I'm so glad we're very glad that we get to address this now because I think a lot of this is being blown out of proportion and I'll explain why in a moment. So for those on the podcast feed, MMA Dog is asking, so guys, Kayla Harrison's next stop can only be Bellator now, right? Because Giuliana Pena beat Amanda Nunes. I don't think that's the case. I'm going to explain my stance in a second.

But a lot of people feel like there's a video that has surfaced. ESPN put it out there that after Giuliana Pena won the title. Michael Kiesa. It was the beginning of an epic trip to the Octagon, apparently, according to Dana White and some other people very close to Kiesa. But towards the end of this little clip that ESPNMMA puts out, you see Kayla Harrison with her back turned screaming the F word over and over again, and Ali Abdulaziz is there trying to calm her down.

And a lot of people are just like, oh, Kayla's responding to all the money flying out the window, which maybe that's the case or maybe she's responding to a teammate who she's worked with for a long time that she has talked about helping her get ready for the PFL finals and for her PFL season losing a fight

it could have been a combination of the two but a lot of people are just like oh Kail is pissed because the UFC must start off at her $10 million to fight Amanda Nunes and I just don't think that's the case whatsoever am I wrong AK? Am I wrong about this? No, not at all. I mean, that number is definitely exorbitant.

Not 10 million, but a big. You know what I'm trying to say. The number doesn't matter. No matter the number. It's no matter the number. It's not a big chunk of change. I didn't see the clip, so I can't speak to exactly like what her reaction. She was reacting to her how she was reacting.

But I mean, to the, I do think that she obviously would, if she would, if there is going to be a fight with Amanda, she was certainly hoping it would be, she wanted to be the first one to beat her since 2014. How can you not want to be that woman? You know, Amanda's been built up so much and to see someone else who no one was even talking about as a contender like six months ago to see someone else take that from you? No, Jed, you were talking about it for a week. So settle down, all right? You just got on the main way. At least Wednesday.

settle down. Since Wednesday. Settle down. Yeah. Last Wednesday. Last Wednesday. Okay, last one. Okay, 10 days.

10 days. That's solid. I'm sorry. I said a week. I apologize. At least 10 days. Possibly two weeks, as far as I know. But, yeah, to have that taken away from you.

I mean, that's got to hurt. That's got to hurt. I'm of the opinion. I still think it's a great fight to see. But for sure, it loses a lot of its intrigue. Because the whole point is this broad question of who can beat Amanda Nunez. And now we know, it's Julianina Pena. Julianne Pena can beat Amanda Nunez.

We just and three other women who fought a men and Nias can beat her. So I guess now in the other sense, it would be for, for, for, now who can beat Harrison, but I think what M.A. Maidog is suggesting it as well, shouldn't we see if Cyborg is the person who can do that first before we maybe circle around to, you know, Amanda Nunez? Let's say, you know, Kayla Harrison does beat cyborg. Then you go later and say, well, Amanda Nunez still out there and who knows who else, right? Jed, your thoughts on Kayla Harrison and what this means for her. I think you're dead on, Mike. The similar clip was surfaced with Misha Tate, like,

losing her mind, celebrating people like, ooh, she's stoked that Nunes is isn't the champion. No, she's worked with Pena for a long time and is stoked about that. You guys are really trying to make things more than they are. So I don't think that now Kayla goes to Bellator. I think that that was always the most obvious choice for her. Belator has a much more established 145-pound women's division. I think that Scott Coker is much better to work with. and I think that there would be much more of an opportunity for her to sign a short-term deal to basically just go get the three fights or whatever that she wants over there, and then she can be a free aging in and sort of reassess.

I think she can play this extremely cagely, and that is what she will do, and signing with the UFC will take a lot of autonomy away from her. I am also not entirely sold that this throws a bunch of money out the window. Totally get the argument, and that is probably correct. but to me I think there's still some interest like in if Kayla goes to Belator I think all of us on this program would pick Amanda Nunes to win a rematch with Giuliana Pena. Now that Pena got the, you know, my win out of the way. I would probably not pick her a rematch.

And so I think that it is highly likely Nunes will get the title back. they'll do a trilogy probably and then if Nunes wins two it's kind of like Steep A versus D.C. Everyone sort of forgets that D.C. bolted Steepay the first time they fought because he got the two. So this is a setback,

but ultimately if a year and a half down the line, Nunes has the belt again, Kayla has picked up some more like legit wins. Not that her PFL wins aren't legit, but she got bigger names on the resume. She's a Bellator champion or whatever. I think that fight is still huge

and I will have a lot more interest, frankly, in seeing a more vulnerable Amanda Nunes against Kayla Harrison. Like I think that that is a much more, a much more sellable story. Ultimately, that still may not be as much as. The UFC's going to sell. This woman, she can be beaten.

Let's see if she can be beaten again. That's the sellable angle for it is now. I think that that is, That is a storyline that is compelling is, hey, we have actually seen this woman lose before. And, you know, Kayla Harrison is this Wunderkind or whatever. Like, let's see where this shakes out. And maybe that doesn't sell as much. But we also talked about it on the pre-fight show.

Amanda Nunez really isn't selling a whole much anyway. So this is sold entirely on Kayla Harrison. And I think she's doing just fine. Do you have a – do you have a thought on this, Casey? Oh, I've just – I've never seen – someone scream the F word so loud unless they're losing a crap ton of money. Let me say that was like ripping your betting ticket up like, no. Let me ask.

That wasn't like, oh, my training partner lost. No. No, it was like I lost a lot of money. The UFC had a, UFC put a free agent, a free agent on camera, on camera. Yeah, and they've done this before. They've done it before. With who? Brock Lesnar like 17 times

and Kayla Harrison's very smart They wanted Brock Leson And they want Kayla Harrison And they didn't get Brock Leser the last three times And they wanted Kate Harrison to fight Amanda Nunes, the goat Not the woman that just lost to Julia Pena because she got tired

Caleb Harrison can still fight Valentina Shenzhenko The actual goat Ah there you go Now you're thinking big You're thinking big Jed I like that I was waiting for that We got some about talking there Listen, I will make the argument that Kayla Harrison just being shown on camera tonight made her way more money than she had, like even Friday.

Because PFL saw it, Bellator saw it, they know she's there, Brock Lesnar style, WWE up their offers every time they saw Brock Lesnar at a UFC event, Bellator and PFL, their offers have significantly raised. So I don't think money is an issue whatsoever. Secondly, I think the UFC is third, maybe fourth on her to-do list right now. One, because the UFC shit all over her until like a week ago, just trashed her resume, trashed her everything about her, Amanda Nunes would murder her, all these different things that Dana White said. So I think Kayla just showing up there is very smart. Take the meetings, get shown on pay-per-view, it makes your value go up.

Belator is probably the best place for her. it's the best place for all parties involved in my opinion belator treat her well they will pay her a ton of money because they got it and she will have legit competition by the way she's a mom now pfl go get that milly i think pfl is still number one i think pfell is one belator is a strong two and the ufc is just like they're the bargaining chip pfl's a three million dollars it is one year and she's probably making like six figures every fight too she's probably making like six figures every time she even competes

and if she goes back she gets to like julia bud's a good win like that is a good win on her resume pfl you and i have said this for for months that pfl's number one mike and i think she goes back for one more run i at least one more i disagree because dana white is a businessman and he isn't trying to make cala harris money dana white's trying to make himself money and he goes he went to the director goes get kela harrison that seat tell my graphics guy but kail harris make a graphic with Kayla Harrison and put her on our pay-per-view. That, because they were intending the signer. They were intending that big newness,

they were intending to make that newness fight at 45 and everything went tonight. I never thought that fight would happen anyways. I never saw him. I never think Kayla Harrison versus Giuliana Pena is a big fight. It could be. At 45. I do kind of want to see that actually.

At 45. The former flyweight is going to go up to 45. I think the UFC gets her. But it would be fun on the mic. All right. Yeah. I think I just, yeah. I don't think her, I don't think her, maybe her UFC offer dropped slightly,

but her overall offers from the other parties interested, nope, not at all. I don't think she lost a dime tonight. She lost a bidder. What else do we have? Casey, do you see this question? Arthur. Okay.

Oh, we can talk about this too from Sandy Fam. Thoughts on Priscilla Catuera. Former UFC fighter probably. Mike, you were so, you felt so good about that, like, as that fight was kicking off, too. She was one second away. She was one second away from winning that fight. One thing away, yeah. She's got to make it out of the first round, and she just...

She's got to make it out of the first. Yep, she couldn't do it. Okay, the thought, how about this? If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. Does that apply here? I mean, how many times can you cheat before you can, before that narrative changes because she already missed weight

now she's trying to gouge out eyes now we get two attempts of cheating well no no she did she get in trouble for gouging the eye oh listen listen if she had won the fight I would have been it was a brilliant move I would have given her credit I would have given her credit for the same with oliver

and vice versa if if poor he had overcome olivera's dastardly tactics and just knocked him out I would have been like yeah he got what he deserved so it's the same way if catcherara had somehow gotten away with trying to gouge out Joe Roberts's eye with her thumb I would have been like that's effed up but like good for her she got the win

she's still in the UFC now I think she lost and she deserves me punished for her for her cheating not paying off and I think she's out of here yeah she'll get cut yeah winner I poke eye gouged or not she was I think she was getting she was done by losing this fight it's something down somebody's eyes and still losing she had back to back

to back finish wins so admit the weight miss was not good, though, because that's not the first time she missed with it. She also has some assault allegations against her from an ex-girlfriend, which Guillermo is reported on. So I don't see, they really should just wash their hands of, I've got you where at this point. I'm sorry to say, but. Casey, do you see this question from Arthur Agabian about tough?

Do you see that question? Tough, of course. You see the tough question. I just want to answer this one quickly. I had to go on. The question he spammed 6,000 times? Yes, yeah. I'll read it out.

You know, no, Colby, VIII. versus Dustin, Oldman Fighter, a Colby versus Jorge Ultimate Fighter, I guess coaching. Here's what I'll say, neither, neither. Stop putting great fighters on the Ultimate Fighter. Just book their fights.

The Ultimate Fighter does nothing. No one will watch anyway. They don't change the show. It will not make the show more compelling. You know how I know this? I'm the only person who's watched every effing season of the Old Light Fighter on the planet. I can tell you the problem with the show is not the coaches.

You could put any... I should be. add an asterisk. I think you should get coaches who are better made for TV and not active fighters. Get Chil Sonan on theirs. Do like Iron Chef style. Have a rotation of like six coaches who are good for television. Put Chil Sonan on there. Matt Sarah. Dan Lambert. Pay these guys. Pay these guys to be regular coaches and have fun with the concept and have no risk of delaying fights. If you guys look at like the last like 12 or 13 older fighters, which why would you? Again, I'm the only one who watches this stupid show still.

So many of these fights ended up falling through. And I get it. That can happen anyway. But I think when you put like a nine month gap between like the booking, you know, the announcement of the coaching and the actual fights, you're just, you're playing with fire. You're asking something bad to happen. So stop putting good fighters on the show. People aren't going to watch anyway.

It will create this very, very little almost imperceptible rating spike. And all you're doing is like, oh, well, now instead of getting to see a Colby and Jorge fight right away, we have to wait to fucking nine extra nine months. Don't do this, people. Don't do this. What if we do the exact opposite of what AK is saying? And instead of taking two active fighters, we take four of them. And we have four teams.

And it's sort of like an IFL hybrid, but then all of their fighters work through in some sort of a gauntlet fashion. And whoever ends up winning the team competitions, whoever are the top two team finishers, then those two coaches fight each other at the end of it. and the two teams losing coaches fight so we can sit four people on ice for six months, but there will at least be some sort of stakes for the coaches in this television show. Does that do anything for you, AK?

You know what? You want multiple coaches? Let's bring back Fightmaster. Bellatorre Fightmaster, season two, 16 years after the first season. Underrated show. Listen, you're getting that with WF, what is it, the WFL and 2020. I'm not talking about organizations getting off the ground. We're not talking about that.

By the way, by the way, I'm kind of, I'm on team Jed with this. And the reason why, Jed, is because you're trying something new. Do something cool. Trying something different. There's like a lot of room. This is the UFC. They do not do that. Change up the Ultow's fighter for.

You're at least trying to do so. The whole thing, everything. If I see another basketball jersey on that show, I'm going to lose my shit. Like, enough is enough. Like, do some hockey jersey. I like this suggestion. So from Spambot. Get DC to, I like that.

They're not active fighter. No, no, that is good. They're both. That's not bad. DC and Dom. Spanbot, that's an excellent. Yeah, Cormean Cruz. Excellent.

Domit Cruz fought an hour ago. We retired. Not an active fighter. I just got fighter the night. You're like, ah. Not an active fighter. Well, how quickly we move on. But at the same time, Cruz is a fight.

Guys got like once, maybe twice a year. So he's a. he's a two-a-year guy at best Let's talk about I think it can be cool guys We're still in tough guy dang it The contender series is the outlet For like new talent to come into the organization

Let tough be your innovation space Like tough can be R&D You can try different rule sets in tough You can do anything you wanted in tough And they just have no imagination Oh no imagination Basketball jerse How to get the wheel

Let's do different color basketball jerseys, all right. We can bring in the power bar, Mike. We can bring the damage bar to tough. The wheel. We need the wheel. I see some people asking about on our fan Q&A, on our fan

Q&A, we talked about if Julia Payneux wins, which he did, of course. Of course she was going to win because the Oracle said so. Oracle. Is it the biggest upset at UFC history? How does it, and we kind of pop calls.

culture, I don't, we felt like it wouldn't cross over if she did win. So like how do we feel, like how did it feel compared to Rhonda versus Holly? It's so different. It's just, it's just so different because Rhonda is so much more famous than Amanda Nunez. I'm sorry, excuse me, the goat, the goat, you know, she was the goat, though. It's fine, but that's, look, everyone in the M.A. space, we call it that. Ask any average person, they know who Amanda Nunes is if she's the goat of anything. I'm sorry, your average person does not know who Amanda Nunez.

compared to Ronda Rousey at the time. Ronda Rousey was ubiquitous. Her level of celebrity was again before McGregor was higher, was higher than any M.A. fighter we'd ever seen. So it doesn't compare in that sense. But like I think we sort of said on the pre-shows, for those in the know, the home win was far more likely than the Pena win,

unless you're Jedmishu, of course, at which point it was very obvious. Never in doubt. Never in doubt. never in doubt. I think we can't, we can't forget the, just the incredible violence that Holly Holm won that fight into.

And just, oh, and the way, like, how outmatched you could tell Rout was, the bill to that knockout was just incredible. When, when Roussey was like hitting air and running into the fence, you could set,

you could see the crowd, the crowd was like, what is, like, again, filled with probably with a little more, a little more of a casual audience when you have a crowd that big, like the attendance was enormous, right?

Yeah, it was like, there was like a, what the hell is, going on vibe to it. The highlights to this day, you watch them, you're like, oh, wow. Like, they don't look like they're even near the same class. And Holm, you know, then delivers the head kick hurt around the world. Also, yeah.

Holly Holm versus Ronda Rousey is one of the three funniest moments in MMA history. The Mike Goldberg takes a lot of energy being a rock star is. Thank you. That's a good line. It might be my favorite quote in the history. Takes a lot of energy getting your ass kicked, Mike. I don't know that we're ever copying that line. And that counts for a lot.

So good. So good. Like if Cormier had said something real dumb about a man to Nunes, then it may be. But that line is just one of the best. Miss you, Goldie. What a legend. Hey, D.C. was like, oh, Nunes is trying to tire out Pena right now. Yeah, it's wild.

Yeah, this, I mean, listen, all of us in the MA space, if you were there, it's a different moment, but just like watching it in a funnel, I think the moments are, this is probably way more of an unlikely result. But it's just like Casey said, it's just not going to cross over. Like, the Rhonda, the Ronda loss, like you turned on your local news, like your local news, no matter how big or small your town is. If your town at 175 people, they were talking about that. They were talking about Holly Home knocking out Ronda Rousey. This is a mom test. I got so many text messages after that happened. I'm not going to wake up to anything tomorrow about like, holy shit.

That happened. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Very true. Same. Not one. And keep on, we move in social circles that are at least most like vaguely familiar with MMA just by being associated with us.

And they'll know the Amanda Nunez thing will not register at all. Yeah. That's why I want to do. text. I'll get more text next week than I got this week. Yeah. Because of the Jake Paul fight. Yeah. I was, but even tonight's on time to fight. I thought it was Derek Lewis. No, it won't be anything about Derek Lewis. Oh, I have friends who like Derek Lewis.

Oh, I love Derek. My balls is hot, man. That's. Oh, I love that. Derek's must see TV. But none of my friends are going to be asking me about Derek Lewis and Chris Dachis. They're going to be asking me about stupid Jake Paul in Tyrone Woodley fighting again. but I was honestly more shocked how Oliver won than how Pena won. Not that Pena won in the way that I thought she was, if she won, she was going to win.

The way Oliver did it, I just didn't think, I just didn't think he had it in him to do that. And he does, obviously. And so I had a bigger emotional response to actually watching Oliver win. So, I don't know. It's just, yeah, so different. It's just a different feel.

It was really interesting. Oh, let's talk about friend of the show. Tristan Goddard. Has this always been an issue with Randy Costa regards of his cardio? It's second straight flare where he's gotten tired. You just got to listen to me. You're talking about this, Mike? I literally said exactly that.

It wasn't even a cardio thing. It was a cardio thing tonight, I think. I think the cardio played a factor certainly, but I think Tony Kelly also did his homework. It did it very well. Randy is just a fun fighter. He wants to go in there and just dead dudes in a minute. And throughout his regional run, he did exactly that.

Makes his UFC debut on short notice at 4 and 0. Almost deads Brandon Davis in the first round. But when he doesn't dead these dudes in the first round, it gets a little frustrating for him. And we see what happens after that. Brandon Davis finished him in the second round. Adrian Yana has finished him in the second round. And he got finished tonight in the second round.

You can get Randy Costs out of that first round. It's a little daunting for him. Like it's just like wow like I hit this dude pretty hard and he didn't go down and I didn't finish the fight like what the hell man like I think it's more Cardio definitely played a factor in tonight mostly because Tony Kelly was so offensive in that first round It was ugly it was not a tactical masterpiece by any stretch of the imagination those are the kind of fights That you beat Randy Costod like you just got to dog him you got to dog him and get him tired and you get to take take the soul for from him. And if you can take some punishment, you can take the soul from him. And I love Randy

Cost. He's a great guy. He was on our preview show, what are you, a week, eight days ago and did a tremendous job. Good dude. But that's just his issue. He's a fun fighter. But if you get him out of the first round, you can beat him. And Tony Kelly did a great job tonight. One more question.

Yeah. Here we go. Where does Valentina fit into all of this? Jed, go. Chevy truck driver. The pain you win. was so great, not only because I called it, but because of what it does for the other thing that I've been pushing long, long before anybody else. And it's that Valentina Shibchenko is the

best fighter I've ever seen in comparison to her peers. I have her ranked as my number one female fighter pound for pound. I have, I think, since we started doing the rankings. And she definitely will get that spot on all of our rankings at the end of this month. deservedly so it's just the best Valentina I know Pena said that she wants to run it back with Valentina

good for her it's what you should say as a champion it's an awful idea Valentine's going to beat that ass so you should I mean it's six one half of the other is going to do the same thing but you got you got the belt and you earned it so enjoy it Giuliana but you don't want

those problems from Valentina Shipchenko but yeah she fits into this by being the best female fighter in the world and you should cherish her the same way you should have cherished Amanda Nunes because again no disrespect to Amanda Nunes at all it's incredibly difficult to defend a title for six years she defended belts maybe not the same one but six years that's the type of stuff that literally only the best fighters who have ever competed in this sport have done she is in rarefied air and full kudos to her she probably will get the boat back. But the bullet train, baby, the Chevy truck. She's the top lady now. And she's going to hang on to that as long as she wants it. Yeah. And I saw Sandy Fam asking earlier,

where is Julianna Pena now going to land in the pound for pound? So this is interesting. Like you said, I do think we're all going to put Shevchenko number one. I think that's pretty reasonable. Nunez, it's weird. Like, I just, this is one of those situations where I don't think Peña necessarily takes Nunez's spot, right? Is that fair to say? Like, she doesn't automatically beat her and take her spot in the pound for pound rankings, right? She's going to take her in mind. And that's fine. She beat her.

But pound for pound, I always think also is normally has to have a wider, like, you know, we look at it as like body of work, right? That's generally, again, it's so open to interpretation. So it's funny. I don't know how far Nunez will drop and I don't know how high Pena can go. So just look at our consensus. Nunez number one right now, Shepchenko, number two, Namajunus and Cyborg tied for third and Zhang Wei Lee at number five. So Nunez will drop out of number one. do you drop her below

Namajunis and Cyborg as well? But she beat Cyborg. You can't drop her below Cyborg. I definitely drop her below Nama Yunus and the Cyborg. I'll have to grapple with it just because... Right, it's tough. And Pena and then Peña, does she jump above...

So she's just number two. So just number two? Yep. No, probably three. That's tough. Behind Rose. You put her behind row. Okay, Rose will be your new number two.

Okay, right. We'll see when we, yeah, we'll see when she sucks it out. I get what you're saying and I don't necessarily have to have to do it just because if you're looking at body of work, but I think it's really tough because the body of work that Giuliana Payne had just she just straight up beat that ass. And that's that counts for a whole lot. Casey? I think pound-p-p-pound rankings are stupid.

Yes. That we can all agree. I don't understand how they. I actually have no idea how they work. They're dumb. They're dumb. One thing we need to talk about is real quick before we get off. Anything you want to talk about Andre Munez or Aaron Blanchfeld?

Two, I thought. Moines is a real problem. And man, it's reminding me a little bit of when Damien Maya was kind of wrecking people. Very different guys. But I'm saying, Damien Maya was wrecking people at middleweight? And everyone's like, oh, is he the guy to beat Anderson Silva? Like, you know, Ed's Silva. Like, he's got good jiu-jitsu.

but if he fought Maya and Maya gone to the ground. And we did eventually see that fight with Maya as a short notice replacement. So even then there was a little bit of doubt. But it was a very, very horrible fight. And no one ever wanted to see that again. So, but I wonder if my muniz is now kind of the same way. Is he the new kind of Damien Maya 185? He took a one.

He's not like he's a prospect. He's kind of, we're seeing pretty much as time. Yeah. He's like, 20-something fights under his belt already. So I was like, is he the guy now people say, oh, well, can he, if he gets Israel, Edisonia to the ground, is he going to submit? him. So it reminds you a little bit of the Maya Silva talk.

Again, this is a long time ago. I know people would be like, what? That was a thing. Like, that actually was a thing once upon time. And I think Muniz and, and, and, and, and, and, and, uh, and, and, uh, and, uh, dissonia could be the same thing. But I don't know. I don't know how close he is.

We'll see what happens with, uh, Dysseignee on Whitaker. That rematch that was now officially announced today. Um, we had reported it for, uh, yeah, the February, yeah, the February pay-per-per-view. And then, but then, but munis is right in there, four and O in the UFC. , uh, and just looks badass as hell. Maybe he's a rank to take out a top 10 guy or something, but he's not far away from a title shot at all. That dude's fire. Aaron Blanchfield, I would be a lot more excited about her, and I still am.

Like, she's freaking great. She is going to run into the Mighty Mouse problem really fast, where because Valentina's just already whipped the crap out of everybody else in the division, Blanchefield's new and exciting. She is probably like two wins away from a title fight, which will be way too early. and she's going to get clobbered. But that's just sort of, that's the one benefit to being a long-range champion. If you can clean out a division, you get to pick off young prospects before they can really, really get the seasoning that they need.

But otherwise, like, I mean, Aaron Blanchfield is probably going to be someone that's with us for the next 10 years of our lives. She has 20. What was the record for youngest champ in the UFC? Technically, it is John Jones, the true champion. is Jose Aldo because he was the youngest champion back when the WEC was in the area of the UFC, but they didn't fold them over because of tax purposes. What age was it?

But what age? 23 and some months. 23 and some months. I won't be surprised if the UFC tries to just because they need to sell Chefchenko fights. They might put, they totally match. Just for that selling point. That was the whole Macy Barbra and goes. She's going to be the youngest champ ever.

So obviously, that didn't pan out. Maybe it was Aaron Blanchfeld. And she's a really high-level grappler. And I hope they don't do that. God, no. But selling, but they got, they got to sell Shepchenko fights. They got to, no, you don't. Two years away, two years away.

You don't need to sell Shepchenko fights. You don't need to sell Shepchenko fights because she's a co-main event. You don't need to sell her fights. That's true. You put her underneath somebody. Two- Division champion when she kicked the car by Julianabana. There's no need to rush any of these girls. should go up, hey.

There's never a need. You talk about that's what the UFC does. The UFC, talking about the UFC does, they love rushing people. And that's what the UFC does. You don't need to. They don't need to do. You don't need to give Cody Garber in an easy fight. They're not.

They don't need to rush Aaron Blanchfield. They will. You know, that's, that's, we're talking about patterns that the UFC does. This is what they do. Let me see that. I don't think Aaron Blanchville, Aaron Blanchville will not fight for a UFC title until at least 20, 23. like end of 2023.

I think early 2023 is right in the wheelhouse. Oh gosh, I hope. I think late 2023. Maybe. Two years. 18 months of two years. Is that not rushing?

Is that 24 years old? No, that's not rushing. I mean, rushing would be throwing into a title like this year, which the UFC has done things like that in the past. I think you need to sell. in the word rushing and preparedness, right?

Like she's, it's not a rush technically because she has earned her way up, but she is not going to be at the peak of her powers by the time she's fighting Valentina Shubchenko for a title. Of course not. No, that's kind of what you need to do is not just, you don't promote, you don't even promote Aaron Blanchfield as her own entity. You promote this entire flyweight 2.0 class as like this next crop of killers. Her, Casey O'Neill, like Tyler.

Santos. Random Mavericks still. Random Mavericks still. Random Maverick still. Yeah. Menal. Yeah, I definitely see some holes. I certainly see some holes in Miranda Mavericks game that I didn't see before.

Oh, that's her way. She needs, Miranda needs to, Miranda, first of all, Miranda needs to find a home and she needs to stay there. Like, she can't keep bouncing around from gym to gym to gym, getting different coaches, different coaches. You could tell she felt uncomfortable. Even with the great Elliott Marshall in a corner,

it just wasn't the same. She wasn't the same fighter. And she's doing a lot of, exploration and that's fine that's fine now's the time to do that um but i need to see some consistency before i get excited for i mean i still think she's super talented there's this high ceiling for but she needs to she needs to figure it out up here in terms of marina maverick the fighter she's marina maverick the you know the student and the then the teacher assistant and you know going for all these different degrees she's got her she's got her stuff together there's no doubt about it but if she

wants to be a world champion. That's a very important thing she's got to do. It could take a while. I mean, when we saw Jim Miller, no, submit Charles Oliverer, you know, whatever years ago, like, no one was going, yeah, Charles Oliverer just needs to tune up a couple of things and he'll be champion a few years.

He's like, you know, it's just, you can't take time. Yeah, but Miranda Maverick's not got to fight that long. She's just not. She's going to fight until she's like 28 or 29 and be done. She doesn't need to. Hopefully, hopefully. Exactly. All right.

So, guys, I threw up a poll about an hour ago. Who wins if Charles Olivaura fights Justin Gaichi? And keep in mind, well, I know that you guys said that. Keep in mind a lot of recency bias right now. 75% Charles Olivera. Wow. 25%? Yes.

75%? But we literally just saw Charles Olivaura fight and win in impressive fashioning and Dustin Porre. So I can see why. I'm also picking Oliva. Twice in the first round. I know. Yeah, but that was, you know. That was the first round.

You see around the two and three? Exactly. Those are more recent. But no, but I'm with, you know, me, I'm with the Olivera voters. I definitely, I'm picking Olivera. But, but yeah, I think if the fight gets made and we asked this question, you know, three months from now, it's going to be a lot closer. It'll definitely be a lot closer. Can't play the music? I think. Oh, no. No. We can't play yet because we would be really bad at our jobs and our YouTube algorithm if we didn't talk about Sean O'Malley. And we haven't talked about Sean. Did we not mention him at all? What is there to say? What's there to say? He won't know. People really like John O'Malley, so we should talk about him. Well, now we said him. Now we can put it in the description. Yeah, yeah.

I would have to look to the comments. I would be shocked if nobody was like. There actually isn't a lot. In the comments, there actually isn't a lot of O'Malley Payaevotak. I've been looking at the comments a whole thing. I haven't seen him either, yeah. Because there's not a lot to say. He looked awesome.

He looked awesome. He beat a good, good fighter, who, again, I think is really a natural, is really more of a flyweight than a phantom weight. Sure. Yeah, he looked great. Like we said, we were saying before that, that Piyevite him. that Paiva was tough, and he smoked Paiva. So I think we got to give credit where credit is due. Again, he needs to, does he need to fight higher-ranked guys?

I mean, maybe. But if he keeps putting on impressive performances on pay-per-view against, again, middle-ranked bantam weights, I don't think he's going to complain. As long as his pay goes up on his next contract, he's not going to care. So, yeah, he looked good. He did exactly what he said he's going to do. And he really created this narrative of the unranked champion, which some people seem to like. It was good.

It was just a great, a really good appearance. for O'Malley, I think. So he is going to have a ranking on Tuesday, and his next fight is going to be against a ranked guy. Who do you think, like, who do we think that that should be? I think he's, like, a legitimately interesting prospect. I don't care about him at all as a person or, like, his stardom. But I think that he is a fascinating fighter to watch, and I have no idea if he can get out of my shot, Esther. But, like, I don't know.

Josh Emmett doesn't seem like a good match for him, but maybe it is. As a reason, so not the same weight class. I mean, that's probably, yeah, I don't want that. I would go to 45. That's terrible, I imagine for him. It's horrible matchmaking here. It's very late. It's very late.

I was not thinking Josh Emmett, the dude that I'll do trains with who's also built like a fire hydrant. Who, who does that? Marob, Marob Volish-Fili. Oh, God, no. No, no. Absolutely not. Get out of here.

Are you crazy? I think Maraub would never take that fight. He'll be insulted. It's not worth it for him either right now. Oh, he would take it? Actually, Mara would absolutely take that fight. Are you crazy? Why would he not take that fight?

He would walk his way to a victory. Yeah. No one in the top five is going to fight Marab right now. Oh, if he can't get a fight from anyone else, then I can see that. Yeah, you're right. I still like the Yon-N-Nus fight. Rob Font after beating, after beating Cody Garbrandt felt that Sean O'Malley was a, was a more interesting fight than Dominic Cruz.

Oh, maybe Rob Fon. That's kind of I think Rob Fon. Oh, Malt, I think that would work. Fon Fon would definitely take it. Rob Fon would 100% take that fight. There's two answers to this question. Oh.

We're not doing so you, Garberman. We don't want to call him. That's one of them. I don't want to see that. Yeah, well, I'm sorry. Unfortunately, the other answer is going to have the same kind of argument because the other answer is Marlon Mara's. Those are the two best of.

I like that one. No, I like that one. No, I like that one. Yeah, I mean, you could do Frankie Edgar maybe. No, no, God, no. No, stop it. Stop, stop right there. No.

I love Frankie. I don't need to see him get, I don't need to see him get spinning, spin kicked into oblivion. No, I love Frankie. I don't need to see that. Possibility. Yeah, I mean, that's it. That's really it. I mean, you're not going to do song you don't.

You're not going to those two ones right now. Because you have two, like, guys under 26. You're not going to have those two fight each other right now. They had Maverick and Blanchevye. Yeah, and the division has 23 fighters. In a division has 23 fighters. I think they absolutely would do Song and Dong or Adrian Yanez. I don't think there's out of the realm of possibility at all.

I mean, both. Yonnas, maybe. I think he's getting a ranked dude next. I think you have to. If you're going to rank him, he has to fight a rank guy next. He has to be. He's going to get 14. Why is he getting ranked?

Why is he getting ranked? Well, Pilever was ranked like 15, like two weeks ago and they're off or whatever. At Bantamite? Because he beat, yeah, because he beat Phillips because Phillips beat Song. So it's kind of like that spot just kept getting taken. Like song had it. And then Phillips took it. And then Phillips took it.

And then Pfebvre took it. I mean, yeah. And now Cody Stamond's at 15 right now. He'll be John. Amali. Like, O'Malley's getting in the rankings next week. Not in ours. Not ours.

The only ones that matter. MNayfiting.com slash Rangley Randy Costa I don't care I'm just throwing names other than I don't I don't know

Like I said I don't know It's not gonna be ranked opponents It's not gonna be ranked opponent Nothing was surprising Nothing was surprising New contract and gonna be ranked opponent

I'm gonna play the music Dana White Dana White said we gotta pay him So I think they're gonna pay him I think they will pay him We got Whody's got

Do we have any thought on that TG? Who? I thought Danny EG one I thought Janet's very late Jett's very late I got a lot

about two years. It's very late. And I think Mike, I don't know, Mike, I think it's me. I think I have to work at Sunday morning. So it's very late. What? We're going, this is part one. Don't go anywhere.

We're coming back from part two. Part two is called onto the next one. Yes, we got to do on now. Although a lot of, I think a lot of these are pretty, are pretty obvious. But, uh, yeah, this will be a good, just be a good show. It should be a good one. Um, so this show, yeah, with my.

predictive powers so you can get right the next fight so what happened. I think we're good. I think we're okay. I think we're okay. We're going to share that oracle-ness for the listeners and maybe myself and A.K. can get some odd no points. You've got to prepare yourself. Yeah, you got to prepare yourself for BTL, Jed Mishu.

So that's it. Final pay-per-view in the books. What a pay-per-view calendar here it has been for A.K., for Casey, for Jed the Oracle. I am Mike Hack. Good night, everybody. Happy birthday, AK. It's not my birthday. Felice cum laudeos. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.