MMA Fighting - UFC 272 Post-Fight Show | What's Next For Colby Covington, Jorge Masivdal After One-Sided Main Event?

Episode Date: March 6, 2022

Colby Covington backed up his trash talk and picked up a dominant unanimous decision win over Jorge Masvidal in the main event of UFC 272. Following the UFC's March PPV event, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck..., Jose Youngs, Shaun Al-Shatti, and Alexander K. Lee discuss Covington's performance and his callout of Dustin Poirier, where Masvidal goes after the loss, Rafael dos Anjos' outstanding performance against a gritty Renato Moicano, Bryce Mitchell's ceiling at 145 pounds, and more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Shaun Al-Shatti: @ShaunAlShatti Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. All right, everybody. We are back. Part two of our UFC 272 post-fight coverage. It's the live post-fight show here on M.A.fighting.com. And we got the whole crew here to react to Colby Covington, defeating Jorge Mazadol, and all the other big storylines that happened on another Saturday night in Las Vegas, Nevada. We got the whole crew here.
Starting point is 00:00:36 We got Shaheen Al-Shadi. We got A.K. Lee. and on site, we got Jose Young's, the man, the myth, the legend, doing a tremendous job. And that's where we're going to begin, because we only have Jose for a few minutes. The man's been out just hustling his butt off all week long. So, Jose, let's begin with you. Colby Covington goes out there, defeats Jorge Mazadol. This fight was not very close at all.
Starting point is 00:00:58 Mazadol had his moments, but for the most part, this was the Colby Covington show. This is a fight a lot of people expected. A lot of the, this is why the betting line was so high. your thoughts on Covington's performance and did anything surprise you in the fight? Is this the fight you kind of expected to happen? Well, if you remember the preview show, I actually picked Jorge Mazel to play devil's advocate
Starting point is 00:01:20 and I kind of talk to myself into him winning. Like I said, I was very hyper-specific with my prediction. I thought Jorge was going to be losing the fight until he just kind of hurts Colby with something, either with a body shot or one of his panted like running like hooks or whatever. and then he was going to swarm him and finish him. And for a split second, I thought that was going to happen in the fourth round.
Starting point is 00:01:42 So I guess I'm not surprised at how well Colby did. I'm very surprised that Jorge's cardio kind of failed him because he's also said, like my cardio is on point two. I run triathlons too. Like I can do this all day, this and that. So I'm not surprised that Colby won. Like realistically, I think I sat on the preview show. I said if I was a smart man, I would pick Colby.
Starting point is 00:02:03 I am very surprised that Jorge's body kind of failed. because I was on record saying Jorge hurts Colby. His killer instinct is not going to allow Colby coming to finish that fight. And the second he dropped Colby, I was like, oh, man, like, that's a rat. He's going to bum rush him and put him to sleep. I don't think he, like, ran at all. Like, he heard him and then just kind of stared at him blankly until Colby Covington recovered. So I am very shocked that Jorge Montevil didn't push the pace more when he hurt him
Starting point is 00:02:34 and his body just seemed to fail him. by the time of course I'm starting. Yeah, and to sort of build upon that with you, Sean, that was a huge moment in the fight. Mazdao finally landed that big shot, finally got Covington's respect, finally got his attention, dropped him to a knee. It looked like that killer instinct was going to come out, but he just, he couldn't do it. Like, it's just the, the energy was not with him any longer. But I actually thought Mazdal's response to the press conference was interesting that
Starting point is 00:03:03 he kind of used his brain. He thought Covington was going to shoot right away and he was going to get ready for a knee and land that. But in hindsight, obviously that was a regret because he had a small window and he just couldn't get it going. So just your thoughts at Covington's performance and were you surprised that after Mazadol landed that big shot that he didn't pounce?
Starting point is 00:03:23 He didn't use that killer instinct that we're so used to seeing from him. Yeah, I mean, I'll start with the second question first because I don't, in the moment I was obviously surprised because you see it play out. And it's just like, oh, Jorge, this is the. moment. This is the one you've been waiting for this whole time. But in hearing his explanation and also just, you know, in retrospect now that we have a little bit of time, makes a lot of sense, right? At that point, it's the fourth round. He's been almost drowning, basically, under
Starting point is 00:03:47 this wrestling for 15 minutes, 17 minutes at this point. He's exhausted. And as he said, he's expecting more wrestling to come. He was almost in his own way at that point. But it's unfortunate for him, because that was certainly the moment. And to answer your first question in regards to the overall performance from Colby, I mean, this was a third. domination, if we're being honest. From pillar to post outside of that one shot in the fourth round, this was just Colby Covington's fight the whole way through.
Starting point is 00:04:13 And I think when the UFC first booked this fight as a main event, a five round main event, pretty much everybody with a Twitter account predicted this sort of reality, right? A cardio-heavy, wrestling-heavy decision where Kobe's going to probably land punches and bunches, take down Jorge, and just really grind him out
Starting point is 00:04:31 and make it tired and win a fairly lopsided decision. It's what we seen from Colby throughout his entire UFC career anytime he's fighting somebody not named Kamar Usman, this is sort of what happens and it's what, if we're being honest, it's what we've seen from Jorge, his whole UFC career especially at Welterweed.
Starting point is 00:04:47 It hasn't really been any different. He struggles with high level wrestlers his whole career and this one kind of, it's one of those weird ones where it played out how a lot of people thought it was going to play out almost to a tee and I almost don't think we've learned anything new from this from either man because again this is the way Kobe wins and this is the way
Starting point is 00:05:03 Jorge loses and that's just ultimately how we saw it play out today. There is one person who thought this fight might play a little differently, even going as far as to saying that Mazadol would win this fight by decision. Who was that person? Oh, it was you, my best friend. It was you. Loud and proud, baby.
Starting point is 00:05:22 It was you. Loud and proud. Loud and proud. So by like minute, by like minute four of round two, like when the broadcast actually came back on your television screen, like what do you think? Like, thinking about your prediction, are you thinking?
Starting point is 00:05:39 I'm in Canada. We didn't lose the broadcast up here. We don't have no ESPN plus problems. Okay. But anyways, so you got to see the whole round play out. So by like the four minute mark of round number two, or you just thinking, boy, my pick is just not good right now. It's not happening.
Starting point is 00:05:55 No, because we sort of discussed early on the show that we thought he would definitely lose the first two rounds. And then I would hope the tie would have. Like what happened in the fourth round is what I thought could have happened in the third round, where he rocked him and like hurt him and like you know and showed some signs of life but it just happened way too late as i think as Jose said he just couldn't pull the trigger after he landed that shot uh it colby just his gas tank is so superior uh his his offense is
Starting point is 00:06:22 fantastic i maybe i'm i'm overselling it that's is fantastic uh and it and it just drained whatever excuse me whatever reserves that uh muzzola had so by the time the fourth came around he landed that big shot. I mean, those arms, you know, there's probably just, it's just from dealing with Colby's wrestling and throwing a lot. I mean, Mazelah was throwing a lot of punches. But, I mean, a lot of those, when he threw, man, some of those wild shots weren't landing. And I think anyone who's even boxed a little bit or done any sort of martial arts know,
Starting point is 00:06:51 it was like, man, if you throw wild and you throw heavy, you really can't maintain that for a long time. Even if you're, you know, a UFC level athlete like Mazadal, he is 37 years old. And again, he's got another guy that he's got to deal with who's taking, who's, digging into those reserves. So yeah, it was really unfortunate to watch. So it actually did almost play out as as I was thinking it would. It's just that it happened after the third round, Mike, is when I was like, well, I mean,
Starting point is 00:07:16 that's Masvedol by decision out the window. So since round three, probably could have been a 10-8. Then you really needed to see that finish, which he almost got in the fourth. But again, credit to Covington, he made sure that that Mazvedal did not have enough left. So even when he got hurt, he had plenty of time to recover. So, you know, criticize Masvedal, sure. But again, Covington, he took this fight, you know, he owned it. So Colby outlanded Mazadol 218 to 90 throughout the fight.
Starting point is 00:07:46 So, I mean, a huge discrepancy in the total strikes, significant strikes, 94 to 67 for Colby. The big number control time, 16 minutes in 14 seconds of control time for Colby Cunnington, as opposed to 21 seconds for Mazadol. So this is sort of the fight we expected if it was going to be. be a Covington victory. Jose, he gets on the microphone and he calls out Dustin Porre. This is a fight that seeds have been planted for for a while. I've interviewed Colby probably like two or three times in the last year and he's mentioned Porre and cut a very similar promo throughout those conversations as well. People are kind of hit or miss on this fight? Where are you at? Do you feel like
Starting point is 00:08:24 this is a fight that could stability or do you think we're going in a different direction with Colby? I have no idea. Dustin seems to want to fight Nate. Nate seems to want to fight Dustin, but at the same time, Nate also wants to fight Connor, but then Rafael Dosanos also wants to fight Connor. Comaro said he also wants to fight Colby Covings, so I honestly don't know if it happens. I'm going to say, yeah, that makes sense. And if it doesn't happen, I'm going to say, yeah, that makes sense too. So it seems everyone wants to fight everyone no one is actually, you know, making the fight official. So sure, why not? That fight can happen. Dustin's a point. It doesn't even seem overly interested in it. So one half seems sinister. The other
Starting point is 00:09:04 half doesn't. That hasn't prevented the UFC for making fights before. So sure, why not? What do you think, Sean? Like, are you into this idea? Like, I'll give my take on in a minute. You don't seem all overly thrilled with that, with that idea. But he seems to want it. And when Colby, like, I mean, it might take a while to get there. We got Woodley after like a two-year build. We got Mazda off to like a two-year build. Is this a fight we see like this year? or is this a fight we see in 20 years? This fight we never between Covington and Borey.
Starting point is 00:09:40 I will be legitimately stunned if we ever see this fight. In particular, next. I think there's no way in hell it actually ends up happening next strict, if only because Dustin's just not going to do it. I think there's two reasons right. Probably Dustin has already said this,
Starting point is 00:09:54 that he's just, there's no chance in hell he's going to give Kobe that type of opportunity to make any money off of him and use his name in any capacity that's a money-making endeavor. I totally believe. Dustin when he says that he is a man of principle and he certainly seems very convinced of this idea that he's like I'm just not giving you this opportunity dude but also too I mean Dustin is
Starting point is 00:10:14 a lightweight and I know he's talked about moving up to welterweight but I'm sure even in his heart of hearts he knows as a lightweight who has historically struggled against wrestlers moving up to a higher weight division to fight the second best wrestler in the entire division instantly, probably is just not a great idea, especially for where he's at in his career. I don't think there's any way that this fight happens next. And to me, it was kind of a waste of a callout because I think Kobe probably knows, too, that this fight's probably not going to happen. And there was maybe other stuff there for him. He's, otherwise, it's just the reality for him kind of is just doing the Robert Whitaker at this point where he's getting pushed back into this
Starting point is 00:10:50 division is just fighting, you know, all these various contenders at 170 at this point. Because the weird, the weird like subplot of this whole week and really of this one, fight in general is that Colby doesn't have a win over an active top 15 UFC Welterweight, which is not true anymore. Obviously, he beat Jorge Mazurl tonight. But it also kind of speaks to the whole state of this division and how this division has been for the last like four years or so where we need these two guys in the cage tonight, Kobe and Jorge, we had four of the last five title defenses represented between
Starting point is 00:11:23 them both. I mean, this has been basically a cycle between a three-man game of Usman, Jorge, and Colby for the last three or four years. And that has really done a number to this division just in terms of everyone else having to recycle and sort of be walking in place and treading water. That's not the case anymore. And Camaro Usman had nothing to do with this tonight,
Starting point is 00:11:43 but it did feel as if tonight was almost, I don't know how to compare it, but maybe like the penultimate episode to like a long running series where obviously Usman still has the belt and these two guys are still active, but we're finally reaching this end of this, Madem Azvedal Covington Usman chapter in this division.
Starting point is 00:12:01 And Usman, for however long, much longer he's going to have the bell. He's 34. He has bad knees. It seems like he's talking retirement more and more lately. Who knows how long it's going to be. But it does feel as if a newer era at 170 is about to happen. And tonight did kind of did feel like maybe the final bow on that chapter that has been this cycle. We've been going through at 170 over and over and over for the last couple years.
Starting point is 00:12:22 So you have to say, AK, that if Sean's theory is true and there's obviously a lot of substance to that. Mazadol is out of this equation for the foreseeable future, right? So now what happens? One of the big questions was, what happens to the stocks if a guy loses? And we said, if Covington gets bolted,
Starting point is 00:12:41 this is really bad for him. And all of us, at least in most ways, thought that a Mazadol loss wasn't a huge deal because he's a made man, so to speak. But after seeing him 50, 44 out there, essentially, some people I saw set 5043. I actually scored a 5043 for Covington. Is there really a stock drop?
Starting point is 00:13:04 Like, does his stock drop here? Like, it has to drop someone, right? Like, right? It has to. I don't know if it drops. But for him at this point, at 37 years old, neutral is almost as bad as dropping. Like, it's a good thing.
Starting point is 00:13:19 There's two other sources I want to talk about here. Dana White after himself was just kind of like, I don't know what to do with this guy. I know we signed him to a big contract earlier this week. We don't think that far ahead. And that's never a good sign. And I would hope Dana White's only speaking for himself and that the people who are actually like, you know,
Starting point is 00:13:38 who actually handle like the front office stuff, like the actual signing of these things and negotiations do have a plan for Jorge Mazvedal because I think that's a very silly thing to say. I like to believe that the other decision makers at the UFC have a bit of a, you know, are a bit more focused on what to do with Mr. Mosidol. And the other thing was his coach Dan Lambert on the M.A hour, excuse me, earlier this week, saying how Jorge can really do anything.
Starting point is 00:14:04 I think he was trying to say, like, it just isn't like a do-or-die thing for Mazvedal as far as his life goes. He has interests outside of MMA. He has his own promotions. You know, he has the bare-knuckle, and then he has the icon, the icon fighting as well. And then he appeared on AEW, right? So it's interesting because we know he'd re-uped with the UFC. So there has to be some sort of commitment there. but also that he does have options.
Starting point is 00:14:27 So I don't know how much of it is going to be in Mazvedal's hands as far as what he wants to do next, or if the UFC really can sort of find this, you know, find an appealing to him or even a series of matchups to keep him around because he's really done everything that you can do now in the UFC outside from winning the undisputed title. And that is a very, very distant feat that he could, that he can go for now. That's really not in the question. So are there fun fights for him? Maybe.
Starting point is 00:14:53 Are they going to let him do stuff outside the UFC while the rest of the division kind of sort stuff out? That might be something that happens. But yeah, pretty much he's in neutral and that's not great outside of the fact that he, thankfully for him, has already signed a new deal. What do you think about that, Jose?
Starting point is 00:15:10 Your thoughts on where Mazadol's stock, I mean, listen, business-wise, bank account-wise, doesn't drop that much. But the way people view him as UFC welterweight contender, Jorge Mazadol, does a stock drop after tonight? 100%. 20,000 people booed him when he was doing his post-fight interview.
Starting point is 00:15:29 He got cheered when he entered. Just 25 minutes later, he's getting booed. So I can tell you firsthand, people have already kind of stock has already dropped in the eyes of the fans in attendance, considering he could get the heroes as well because he Colvin Coventon got booed, but when he both when he entered
Starting point is 00:15:42 and when he left, and Jorge, had the one that flipped. So, yeah, his stock dropped probably in the eyes of fans as a legitimate contender, but there still fights for him to make money. He's still incredibly popular, I think at this point, you just don't give him up intense wrestler match him up with these high-level strikers. He also, like Sean has said,
Starting point is 00:16:00 like kind of hints at retirement a bit. He goes back to the gym in a few weeks and he's getting beat up by the young guy. He's probably going to hang it up soon. I can't imagine he fights two, three more years. So I know depending on if Nate comes or goes, he has always talked about running it back with Nate. That's obviously a fight he can very easily win.
Starting point is 00:16:16 I'm sure Leon Edwards' fight is still there, especially if Leon comes up short against Usman. And I think that's a fight that you can sell for both men, especially with them coming off losses, because they both have the bad blood. They were matched up against each other before. But in terms of the fans, stocks very clearly dropped, as I can tell you from tonight. But there's still money to make for Horamazir, which is the most important thing considering their prize fight at the end of the day. It's a great point. And that's why you're here to give the on-site perspective, Jose.
Starting point is 00:16:44 But I know you have a million things going on. You have busted your tookus for us all week long. and we appreciate that. And I think at this point, I think it's only fair to let you go off and do your own thing, my man. Any final words for the peeps before
Starting point is 00:16:57 you call it a wrap for this fight week? Yeah, the MVP of the fight week in terms of predictions is me. I told you Marina, Marina would not have beef at the end of it. And I told you Jorge and Colby or not going to hug in the cage. Someday, y'all will listen to me.
Starting point is 00:17:14 That's a wrap. Thank you, Jose. I'm much appreciated. Humble as always. Humble as always. That's what we love about it. Yes. That's what we love about it.
Starting point is 00:17:27 Unbelievable. We'll continue on with this conversation. Sean, this is the fight of the night. We got the bonuses. This was the fight of the night. I thought for sure that we were going to get it out of the co-made event, even though it was not a close fight. But when we see guys,
Starting point is 00:17:44 when one guy is praised for being so tough and bleeding well, and one guy is just dominant, it's like almost the formula. it's always there that this is the fight of the night. They go ahead and give it to the main event, which on the scorecards is probably a little more lopsided, if we're being honest. So are you surprised that this is the direction they went,
Starting point is 00:18:02 that they went, coming to Mazadol's, the fight of the night on this card? I mean, I'm a bit surprised because it's just the wrong decision, right? Like, this wasn't the best fight of the night. I would say it's probably not the second best fight of the night. Maybe it's not the third best fight of the night. Like Holland Olivera was a better fight for however long it lasted. also Marina Rodriguez and Jan
Starting point is 00:18:22 Shaanan was spectacular and you're right the co-main event is usually the type of fight that would win fight of the night but I do want to revisit quickly the Mazvidal question and sort of where he goes next because I think this is a fascinating question
Starting point is 00:18:36 that's just going to linger a bit in the ether as we move forward in this space just over the next few months and over the summer because Masl I still believe comes out of this just as a star and we mentioned this earlier in the week where it's just once you become a star Like, it's really, really hard in MMA to become, to reach that stardom level.
Starting point is 00:18:53 But once you get there, it kind of stays with you for a really long time through losses and through whatever. Like, you have to really do a lot to lose that level of stardom where people want to watch you and they're tuning in specifically to watch you. Like, I feel like Mazuradol comes away with this, still having that to a certain degree. Like, the people in the arena weren't happy with the show that they saw, but they'll still tune in the next time Gamebred is headlining, you know, a pay-per-view or a fight night or whatever. like he's still going to be that guy to a certain degree.
Starting point is 00:19:20 Again, a lot of people felt like this was the most likely result. Just like, oh, it's comparable to me to like the first Usman fight where like he comes in there, loses a very lopsided decision, but in a way that we all kind of expected it to happen, this felt very similar to me. And honestly, like, I know it's not going to happen. But now would be the perfect time for that Connor McGregor mega fight that we all thought was going to happen a year or two ago. Because you get a chance to refresh the brand against a big time. striker with a big time name and
Starting point is 00:19:50 Connor's not going to come in there trying to wrestle with him. They could promote the hell out. They're both going to sell it. It feels to me like now would be the perfect opportunity for that. I just don't think that they're going to do it because I think there's a good chance Connor just waltzes right into a title shot off two losses. So like that maybe that's just out the window. Maybe that maybe that doesn't happen. But honestly
Starting point is 00:20:10 for Mazvedo it might not be a bad idea to just kind of sit back for a second and reassess because this landscape is ever shifting. It changes every day. You never know who. going to come up. You never know what kind of big names are going to be available at what, I should say, or what opportunities are going to be available at any given moment. Stuff changes so quickly, like sitting back and kind of lay in low for like six months and waiting for the right matchup, honestly might not be the worst idea of this guy.
Starting point is 00:20:36 Completely agree with you. Take some time and smell the roses a little bit. I know they're not going to smell all that great after losing to a guy. Yes, I have. And that's okay. I'm here with my friends. and just talking to the bar. Do you guys think there's a chance
Starting point is 00:20:50 talking about waiting for the right matchup that Moussvidal doesn't fight again for the rest of the year? I do. No, I think you don't think you'll fight it. You think there's a chance you won't fight again this year? A chance, certainly.
Starting point is 00:21:03 I mean, I don't think if it was odds makers, I would say maybe like a 30, 40% chance of that. But I think there's definitely a chance that that happens, like a timeline where that happens where again, he's just kind of sitting back and waiting for the right fight because if I'm Jorge Mazurah, I'm not just taking anything. Like I'm,
Starting point is 00:21:19 you're not throwing me in there with Sean Brady or someone like that. You know, like you're not putting me back into the queue and just throwing me against any rando at welterweight. Like it has to make sense. It has to make dollars. And it has to make sense. So I think there's certainly a chance you could sit back and see how it plays out
Starting point is 00:21:34 for the rest of the year. I mean, there's options. There's definitely options. I mean, like if Gilbert Burns beats Hamzat, like you could do Hamzat in Mazat and that will draw. You could do burns in Mazadol, and that will make sense.
Starting point is 00:21:48 If Usman beats Leon Edwards, if that fight comes to fruition, it looks like by all accounts, we're looking at possibly July for that one. If Usman beats Leon Edwards, like the betting odds will probably have him favored to do, then you can do Edwards versus Mazadol. We could finally get some settlement to that beef, the three piece in the soda. Someone gets their comeuppins, and I think you could sell the crap out of that. So he's got options. You could do the Conner fight too.
Starting point is 00:22:14 I mean, there's, there's options. It's just timing, opponent, all that stuff. How are they going to match up? But I agree with Sean. Like, Mazenal is not going to fight Shafcott Rockmanoff next. That's just a silly idea. Or Sean Brady, Sean Brady, right? I saw someone saying Sean Brady.
Starting point is 00:22:28 I'm like, no. No, that's not going to have it. That's not going to happen. You know what? You could maybe do a Wonderboy rematch. That first fight was kind of close. Like, you could do that. I know Ma's, Wonderboy's been talking about maybe getting that rematch.
Starting point is 00:22:44 You get two guys kind of on tough runs. People like both of those guys. So that's an idea as well. But AK and I will give you more official picks tomorrow at 11 a.m. Eastern on onto the next one. So Mr. AIM, we thought I've talked about this card for eight hours. I'm going to talk about it for at least another 90 minutes tomorrow morning with AK as well. So get ready for that.
Starting point is 00:23:02 So that is the main event. Still some lingering questions that we will certainly get to answer. But let's talk about this co-main event, AK, because Hafeel Dosanjos goes out there, puts a beating on Hanata Moikano. And like we talked about earlier, Moikano just showed that grit, his toughness. He's shoving the cut man out of the way at the end of the fight. Don't touch me.
Starting point is 00:23:22 I'm ready to go. Just passing all the medical tests goes out there. Loses a lopsided decision. But a lot of people fail like Hennato Moikano stock rose tremendously in this fight. RDA just looked fantastic. So what did you think of RDA's performance and just the grit and toughness of won Hennato Moikano tonight? First, I just want to say, producer Casey, did you notice we got a, We got a weirdo pop up in the YouTube comments.
Starting point is 00:23:46 Someone, they're saying that he drank too much coffee and he's watching the show now. Yeah, I saw that. I saw that. I'm sorry. I apologize. Yeah. Can you just, or I was just banned them just to be safe.
Starting point is 00:23:57 I think. I don't, just the name just froze me the wrong way. I'm going to do some push-ups right now. Yeah, you guys do some push-ups. Yeah, listen, the co-main event. So at some point,
Starting point is 00:24:07 my guy had to tweet my 90s. My classic, hello Ariel. I had to do my classic line. MMA is supposed to be fun. Props to Hanata Moikano for stepping in there. I think we all thought good for him. Some people said it was a no, like there wasn't a lot to gain. I think there was a lot to gain.
Starting point is 00:24:24 I think Dosayos would have been by far the biggest name he's ever beaten if he were able to pull it off. But just like stylistically, RDA is such a good matchup for him. Again, as far as grappling, striking goes, we saw that one, like that Moikano burst we expected in the first like, what, two minutes of the fight? We saw it. We saw it. And I'm sure there was some people thought, oh, well, here we go. This is him showing, you know, youth, the young man taking control of the fight. It looked like he was going to get a choke for like maybe a second.
Starting point is 00:24:51 And then we remember at RDA's frigging RDA, one of the best grapplers of the sport, most well-rounded fighters, turned it around. And for the rest of the fight, all the grappling was in RDA's favor. So there was a lot. I feel like there was a lot from Oikana to gain. And interesting how it unfolded, I realized now there actually was a lot for Moycona to lose. I would have originally said it was a low-risk, high-reward fight. Now I see, we see the risk.
Starting point is 00:25:15 When you see a guy take a beating like that, you see the risk. This is MMA. That's the kind of fight. And it went for two more rounds than it should have gone, you know. That's the kind of fight that takes years off a guy's life that, not just physically, but I mean, their confidence to be so dominated like that in such a high profile fight. I'm recovering for that mentally. I have no, I'm not a fighter. I have no capacity for like what that, what kind of toll that takes on you.
Starting point is 00:25:39 But, I mean, it looked brutal as it was happening. credit to him. A lot of people I think thought he won the fifth round, so he certainly battled back, but I guarantee you it was 90% on instinct and what a talented guy he is. It just shouldn't have happened. You could have thrown in the towel after the third round.
Starting point is 00:25:55 I would like to think nobody would have complained. Sure, you would have had people booing the arena, but you would have done your fighter a big, big, big favor. So that comain was tough to watch at times. As much as I love watching RDA do his thing and seeing the heart of Moikano. For me, hey, I know, I'm a big softie. I'm not hard like Air Hawaiian doing pushups the middle of the night.
Starting point is 00:26:16 It's 3 a.m. on the East Coast and this man's putting in work. But it was tough to watch me. I didn't love it. I didn't love it. I understand actually why it didn't win the fight of the night. That would have been a nice bonus for Moikano, who I would like to think they gave a bonus anyway. But let's not do that again, UFC. I'm glad they saved a fight.
Starting point is 00:26:38 Let's make it three rounds next time. Moycano's corner. let's monitor his health a little bit closer. Good for RDA, great win, reminded people that he's still on another level than like 90% of the fighters in the world. But man, not an enjoyable fight overall. Yeah, in hindsight, the five rounds was a terrible idea
Starting point is 00:26:55 with the replacements. It just was an awful idea. And this is kind of the reason that I didn't like the idea of Terrence McKinney or somebody like that being put into this lot because if Terence McKinney goes in there, not saying he can't go out there and just blast Josangio's and what a huge moment that would be. but if a similar performance happened
Starting point is 00:27:12 and he took a kind of beating like that for 25 minutes, like that can stunt your evolution in this sport real quick. And a lot of some fighters just can't come back from that. So I actually like McKinney's new fight against Drew Dober next week. I think that's a great opportunity. It's a better stylistic fight for him. And I like it a lot. So, Sean, what are your thoughts on the corner?
Starting point is 00:27:34 Because I have to say, and we crap on the referees and some of the officials and people in this sport, like outside of the cage, like the judges. But I got to say, Mark Goddard, A plus plus for the way he handled that entire situation. The doctor, I thought, was very fair. And Mark Goddard was trying to be very, very firm, but trying to still give Hinata Moikano some sort of a chance. I thought he did a tremendous job.
Starting point is 00:28:01 But at that point, it was kind of on his corner, on his team to be like, Hanato, like, you're a tough dude. I respect you, but live to fight another day, bro. What did you think? Like, were you hoping to see the title of throne? Do you understand why people are suggesting that, why the broadcast is making such a big deal out of that? Or maybe is it a little bit overblown?
Starting point is 00:28:23 Well, first of all, it's not overblown at all. And I want to start by first just giving major credit to half-ildosanors because I believe major credit is due to him because this is a man who handled a really tough week, like an absolute professional. Like the professional he's always been, if we're being honest. I mean, 16 months was just way, way, way too long to just not have this guy in our life. It was good having RDA back.
Starting point is 00:28:46 He looked remarkable. He looked so good the whole way through. I know he called for the Jorge Mazmidal fight for the BMF belt, and that'll never, ever happen. Just because that's not the type of fight Jorge Mazel is going to go into. But when you look into RDA's resume and the strength of schedule this guy has since, like, 2013, 12 range, like you're not going to find many veterans, many names that are more deserving of a payday like that because that dude has been fighting all comers the whole way through
Starting point is 00:29:10 this entire way and this week was no different and again you have to give tons of credit to rda the way he handled all of this and for an absolutely dominant performance that being said of course that fight should have been stopped the the fact that it wasn't stopped i mean if this was boxing that fight would have been stopped by someone whether it was a referee a doctor whether it was mccano's corner anyone by the end of that third round like the like i know people want to award moral victories and say, oh, you know, Havana, O'Ikano, he's so good. He went out on his shield, all that. All that is fake, man. Like, that's not real. That's not, be going out on your shield and all these, like, moral victories that people are awarding him right now, oh, I have so much
Starting point is 00:29:49 respect for Hedana Moikano, which certainly I do. That doesn't mean anything of the grand scheme of things. He didn't get paid anymore to go out on his shield. He didn't, you know, nothing positive happened for him by doing that. He's not going to get paid anymore in his next fight because he went on his shield. All he did was suffer the kind of beating that can take years off of a career for no reason. There was no reason this fight should have been five rounds to begin with. And he lost all the momentum in any sense of momentum he might have had. Like it was a rough, rough spot for him to be in.
Starting point is 00:30:16 And I know he's tough and he wants to gut it out. And I heard Casey earlier talking about the dichotomy that comes with this sport of just, it is half his paycheck. And you don't want to take that away from a guy if you're the coach or you're the cornerman or whoever. You just can't take away that opportunity to get the other half of your paycheck. But at a certain point, you just got to call it quits. and save and fight and live to fight for the next day because Nato Moikano, you look at his face
Starting point is 00:30:39 at the end of that fight, it was not worth it. And it's not going to be worth it a year from now. It's not going to be worth it two years from now. It's definitely not going to be worth it 10 years from now to take the kind of beating that he did tonight, way past the point where there was any actual merit to it because I know we can't do one of these things where like, hey, a guy kind of mounted a late charge in round five,
Starting point is 00:30:58 and that's why the fight had to continue. Like, that didn't matter in the grand scheme of things. RDA won, and it definitely looked like RDA, took his foot off the gas because he was kind of just trying to let Anato live to see the end of the fight at that point. Like the whole thing kind of left a bad taste on my mouth. And again, major credit to both these men because they are incredible. The bravery of courage in that cage tonight just was out of control. But I didn't like seeing it if I'm being honest, man.
Starting point is 00:31:23 I don't like to come onto these shows and be negative in any capacity usually. But like that was a really tough thing to watch. And yeah, absolutely. That should have been stopped whether it was Mycana's corner or the doctor or whoever. Like somebody needs to look out. for this guy because he cannot be you can't ask the fighter to look out for themselves because again they're getting half their paycheck just taken away if they if they lose yeah and sheen i was saying to you i'd criticize goddard a little bit if you're getting to the point where you have to say to where you
Starting point is 00:31:49 have to sit you're telling the corner hey if you guys don't stop it i will probably just stop it that's probably if you're having to make that ultimatum it probably has reached the point where you should stop the fight because clearly the corner is not going to do it if anything they're probably not going to respond well to the ultimatum now you've really put it on though and the last thing they wanted to is he put under the microscope and I don't know but you know
Starting point is 00:32:09 disappoint their fighter or disappoint the crowd and the crowd might have been influencing them because they kept like they were booing the doctor when the doctor came into check and it was just a lot of emotion
Starting point is 00:32:19 you know and I wish the corner could have been a little more clear minded and even God or just a little more clear about saying I'm just just stop this where is it going and as for the doctor
Starting point is 00:32:28 far be it for me to question his credentials I'm sure he was doing his best but I tweeted this earlier if I was exactly examining someone and they looked like Moe Kano did, I would not clear them to like go to their job at the post office, much less go back out for another five minutes of getting their ass beaten by a former UFC lightweight champions.
Starting point is 00:32:45 So hindsight 2020, I suppose, but I know a lot of us in the moment were just, we're howling to stop like they should stop the fight, you know. Yeah, it was weird. And to kind of be fair to Mark Goddard, just from what I think he actually said was, if his quarters didn't stop the fight, I'm going to take a look at Hanato when he stands back up and see how he reacts because at the end of that fourth round
Starting point is 00:33:09 he was he stumbled back into the fence and it was looking hairy and I thought they were going to stop it right then and there but Goddard wanted to make sure that you know when he stood back up he still had his wits to him and then had the doctor check him and then Goddard said all right I'm giving you 30 seconds you better show me something or I'm stopping the fight and of course what kind of comes out and lands big shots and things actually got a little hairy in those final 90 seconds but yes, I'm kind of with you.
Starting point is 00:33:35 I am told, just was texting back with Hanata Moikano's manager, Orrin Hodak, out of the hospital, back of the hotel, good to go, all good. So nothing made. Ready to fight next week. Ready to fight next week. Yes. So we'll see him in a five-round random co-main event at some random catchweight and we'll have hopefully not be having the same conversation.
Starting point is 00:33:58 So good win for RDA. I thought RDA had a tremendous week, honestly. I'm with you, Sean. Tremendous week. Handled everything well. He's got that sort of chip on his shoulder that he called Islam Makachev's bluff. So I'm glad he didn't go out there and call out Islam. I know some people suggested that.
Starting point is 00:34:16 I love the fact that he just kind of no-sold the whole thing and went to the BMF idea. He went to Connor at the press conference. And great. You just completely no-sold Islam, which is exactly what you should have done. So well done. And good stuff right there from. Hinauco Moikano and Hafield de Sanjos. So Bryce Mitchell, Sean Alshadhi, this guy is an absolute terror.
Starting point is 00:34:42 What a performance against Edson Barbosa. Now, if you listen to the preview show, I'm not going to pat myself on the back, but I pretty much predicted this exact result that Bryce is just going to, it's just going to be a rough night for Edson Barbosa. Now, I didn't think Bryce Mitchell was going to go out there and start dropping dudes with strikes, but that is what happened in the first round. And then Bryce just took over and just put a beautiful. beating on Edson Barbosa, 3026 on my card at worst.
Starting point is 00:35:06 I honestly thought the worst scorecard of the entire night was Sal DiMato's 30 to 27 in this card because this is not a 30, 27. And that's not given Bryce Mitchell the respect he deserves for the dominant performance that he had tonight. So, Sean, thug nasty. Is this guy a legit contender to you? Are you sold for sure after this performance against Edson Barbosa tonight? I'm so glad that you just hit on that scorecard because I'm going to ignore your question
Starting point is 00:35:32 for a second. because the fact that it's 2022, and we still have guys out here who have been doing this basically every weekend for like the last like decade. Like, Sal DeMato has been doing this. Like, this is all Sal does seemingly. He's there at every fight.
Starting point is 00:35:45 I don't know what it takes to get a 10-8, but like apparently for some of these guys, you still need to see a near death to get a 10-8 scorecard. Like, it's absolutely ridiculous. Judging remains one of the most frustrating things in this sport. And in the, ah, it's just how... Sal, Sal, you have been doing this for so long, man.
Starting point is 00:36:00 How is that not... How is there no time? 10-8s there. It's utterly ridiculous. But anyway, yes, Bryce Mitchell, man, we, we miss this guy a lot. Like, just how I said, you know, 16 months is too long to wait to see RDA. Like, Bryce Mitchell just sauntered in here after like a 17-month layoff and slapped down, like, a 30-25 on Edson Barbosa. Like, however you want to frame that, that is incredibly impressive. This dude was one of the, basically, the forgotten man at 145.
Starting point is 00:36:27 There are two forgotten men at 145, him and Arnold Allen. And he in particular has been forgotten just because we haven't seen him in the pandemic area. He's been completely gone this whole time while we've been doing shows every month. So just to see him back and have that cook him to the bone type of grappling grappling that this man brings, it was impressive, man.
Starting point is 00:36:46 Very few people do that to Edson Barbosa. The people that do do that to Edson usually end up pretty damn good and in pretty good spots in their career. So I'm really excited for this one. I mean, Bryce Mitchell, he's a fun personality. He's got a lot to say. and he's 6 and 0 now in the UFC.
Starting point is 00:37:02 He's totally undefeated in the UFC. And when you beat at someone like Edson like that, I think it's high time to start matching you up against the lead of the division because I think very highly of Edson Barbosa. And at this point, I really want to see just how real of a talent we have with Brights Mitchell here. Because to me, you look at 145, a lot of good options. You could kind of go two routes, right? You can go middle ground and give him somewhere like a Calvin Cater,
Starting point is 00:37:25 see if the UFC feels like he needs one more to really get thrown into that upper echelon. But if it's me, and I saw some people talking about this on Twitter, like, I just throw them right in the deep end at this point. I give him like some of like a Brian Ortega, see what our old friend Brian is doing up these days and just see if he's ready. See if Bryce is ready for that type of thing. Because can you imagine the scrambles and the mat, mat exchanges that you see in that one? I feel like it's sink or swim time for Bryce Mitchell. And that's very exciting to me. Tonight's performance kind of blew me in a way, a way that like I expected Bryce to win, but I didn't think it was going to be this dominant.
Starting point is 00:37:58 That was just pillar to post. I would have given him a performance bonus tonight, A.K., if we're being honest, I really would have. I mean, it's rare a guy who gets a decision win gets a performance bonus, but to do it in that type of situation, as dominant as he did against a guy like Edson Barboza, I would have no issue with him getting a performance bonus. In fact, I predicted him getting one, and he didn't. So your thoughts in his performance, because it was just,
Starting point is 00:38:26 It was phenomenal. It really was phenomenal. And it's one of those performances where you actually feel bad for a guy like Edson because that must have been just an absolute miserable 15 minutes in there with him. Not just miserable, but a reality check. You know, there are these fights that they make where they put you against a younger opponent. And it's kind of just a litmus test for them. And once one of those guys like gets past you and so clearly, you really have to question
Starting point is 00:38:54 again, how much do you have left? Now, stylistically, of course, this is a very difficult matcher for Edson Barbosa. I'm sure if you match him up with strike, you know, that you can match him up with strikers. There's a lot of great fights and some wins still to be had. So it's not like, I'm not reading Edson Barbosa's last rights, but pay-per-view main card, again, he's, Barboza is still a top 10 ranked guy or at least top, top 15. I know he was 13th in our rankings. Well, he lost that spot now.
Starting point is 00:39:18 You know, I'll tell you, Bryce Mitchell really, he really jumps up. I say Barbosa, this was one of my. two fights that I picked wrong. I thought I had picked Barbosa to win. But in my mind, if, if Mitchell was going to win, I thought it was going to be a blowout. So for me, it was either going to be a Barbosa finish or if it's the other way and goes through a decision, it would have been the way that it played out, you know, that the grappling is just too much. And this is how some other, a lot of people thought it would be. And they were spot on. You know, a lot of people who picked this fight were spot on. The way.
Starting point is 00:39:50 What a humble brag. What a humble brag by Hague. I'm sorry, I caught in, but what a humble brag. This is one of the two fights of the whole card I picked wrong. Just slipping that in there. Let me let me put it more accurately. I see what you're doing. I picked 11 out of 13. Well, if no one else is going to give me credit, then I suppose I should. I think 11 out of 13 fights correct.
Starting point is 00:40:08 Dominated the MMA fighting picks should be said. Dominated. Thank you. Thank you. Don't say dominated. Mike, a distant second, a distant second. Just barely hanging in there, a distant second. I got 10.
Starting point is 00:40:20 Yeah, I mean, 10 really anybody can get a lot. And I got, I kind of got robbed of a decision. Well, let's not blame the judges now. Listen, picks or picks, all right, picks or picks or picks. But, yeah, I mean, look, Bryce Smith's grappling is just on another level. Like they said, he's not a single takedown guy. He's not a, and he kind of hurt Edson on the feet, too, first.
Starting point is 00:40:38 It was almost like we were going to get a club and sub, which is another possibility that some people had thrown out there. So really, just a sterling performance by the guy. He cut a very good promo after. You're going to get a lot of points with people when you announce that you're giving up half your salary, which I think he said would have been 45,000. thousand dollars.
Starting point is 00:40:57 Dana White said later in the evening that he was, he told Bryce not to do that. He's going to handle the payment of the charity for him. But Bryce insisted that he's still going to give some of this charity. So overall, just really one of the best, he's come back from pretty long layoff and could not have come back in a better way, beating a veteran, beating a ranked guy,
Starting point is 00:41:16 clearly placing himself not, I think not quite in the top 10, but right near it. And as Shaheen says, poised to get himself a big name for his next fight. and a big current name, not necessarily a veteran that's on their way down where Barbosa kind of is. Like I said, he's probably out of the rankings now. Maybe a top 10 guy in one of the toughest divisions in the UFC.
Starting point is 00:41:34 So I do up a poll, guys. I like polls. You guys might have been right. I do enjoy poll. I'm a fan. I've been known to take a late night poll every now and then. And so I asked who was the biggest star? Who star of UFC 272?
Starting point is 00:41:52 Colby Convinton is number one right now at 56%. But Bryce Mitchell is right there 30%. So he's right behind. Very, very close. Kobe Covenant would be the obvious answer is the main event there. So for Mitchell to even register in that question, and that's a big deal. Also, let me just add very quickly.
Starting point is 00:42:10 Bryce Mitchell, credit to him for circumventing the Nevada Athletic Commission and all the, you know, the nefarious things going on there with hiding the salaries from us, just coming out and telling us like, hey, I'm getting 45 and 45. That's like the first, that's the first. That's the first salary we've gotten from Nevada in like a year plus. So hey, Bryce Mitchell, more of that. Like, let's keep that coming.
Starting point is 00:42:29 Let's keep some transparency in this game. So everybody wins. Wait, Shaheen, you're not enjoying fighters saying like, oh, I'm now in the top five. I'm now in the top three. Well, highest paid UFC fighters and not providing any number or estimate. You're not enjoying that? You're not enjoying that? You mean them saying it while their manager is actively saying like, hey,
Starting point is 00:42:47 it'd be really helpful for everybody in the sport if you guys would actually say the number. No, yeah, I'm not enjoying that. Yeah, I have a feeling Bryce is not going to be making 45 and 45 his next fight. I know he just signed a new deal, but I have a feeling he's going right back to the negotiation table and getting some more money for his next fight. I think that's an absolute no-brainer. Nobody stock on this entire card rose more than Bryce Mitchell. And if you watch the Post-Fight Press Conference, especially on the East Coast,
Starting point is 00:43:14 you got a little Sunday sermon from Reverend Bryce. And I thought that was some good stuff. So great win for him. Kevin Holland, impressive stuff. was a fun fight. I'm sorry, Stephen Kaye is just out here cracking me up at 2 a.m. I can't hold this in anymore. That was an excellent call.
Starting point is 00:43:35 Yes, Kevin Hall, great win. Sergey Speedback. I don't know if Greg Hardy is long for UFC octagon's any longer after that performance. That was the last fight on his deal. And I have a, I think this is finally the chance the UFC has for a clean break. and we'll see what happens. I'd be shocked if we see him fighting the UFC again, but it is the UFC and Stranger Things have happened.
Starting point is 00:43:58 I mean, real quick, let me throw it out there over under one and a half months before Greg Hardy says that Sergei Spreeback is scared of him and fought scared and wouldn't accept a rematch. How will we think? Over under? Oh, God, dude. By Tuesday, we're going to have an Instagram post about it.
Starting point is 00:44:13 Let me check IG real quick. Hold on. And then by Wednesday, he's going to call up Deontze Wilder again. So, I mean, just silliness. Hardy was testing the stoppage. And frankly, I was too, if we're being honest. I actually did. I also, I'm sorry, that's mean.
Starting point is 00:44:29 That's mean. That's mean. That's so-called Prince of Positive. I don't want to see anyone harmed beyond what is necessary in the Octagon. Oh, man. And then I want to give a shout out to Marina Morose as well because she got herself a performance bonus. A plus night for her all around. I mean, that was an impressive display of grappling, of control,
Starting point is 00:44:55 and then finally getting the stoppage win over Maria Agapova. It looks like the hatchet is sort of buried, but obviously more important things going on than a rivalry between former teammates and allegations and stuff like that. More important things going on in the world with Ukraine and Russia. And Marina Moros wore the flag proudly, got a big win, gave that country a little bit of a boost in just a really tough time. Sean, your reaction to Marina's performance, the post-fight interview, the scrum, everything she did tonight,
Starting point is 00:45:29 because it's not all good in Ukraine right now, but they got a little bit of hope, a little bit of positivity, and a little bit of a boost from Marina Moros tonight. Did they not? No, I mean, absolutely. I mean, I know we joke around on these shows and we like to keep it light, but that was incredible. Like that was genuinely incredible what she was able to pull off tonight this week. Like we on these type of nights where it's the pay-per-views, like I know we heap superlatives on fighters and athletes like just candy, right?
Starting point is 00:45:59 Like we just wax and poetic about like bravery and courage and all these, you know, buzzwords that cliches that maybe mean something, but they don't actually mean anything. But like what Marina Morose just came in and did this week with everything that was on her mind, like that is a level of strength that just like I can't even actually. possibly begin to fathom or comprehend. Because like what's on her mind right now? And she was talking about it afterwards with reporters about how, you know,
Starting point is 00:46:25 she's basically stuck half a world away watching the ruination, the destruction of her homeland wondering, you know, is my family okay? Is my mom going to be okay? She's talking about how many of her friends have died over this whole, you know, conflict, holding back tears through all of this. And to be able to come out there and really put together a performance that's probably like one of her best all around performances in the UFC
Starting point is 00:46:46 coming in off a two-year layoff at that, like everything that combined and coalesced to make this week for her, like that is next level toughness, next level strength, next level courage, bravery, like whatever you want to throw in there.
Starting point is 00:46:59 Like, that is it, man. Like, that was the single most impressive thing that we saw tonight, if we're just being honest and putting everything out there. Like,
Starting point is 00:47:06 that was the smartest thing that Henry Sehudo's ever said when I think he tweeted something like, there won't be a more impressive performance at UFC 272. Like, that was it, man. Like, here's open Marina Moroza's family it makes it out okay like everything ends up fine for all of her loved ones but my god man like
Starting point is 00:47:21 that was utterly incredible and sometimes like fights are just bigger than fights makes sense like some fights could feel like they're a random fist fight and some of them feel like much bigger than that and that actually tonight actually felt like this was a much bigger one and I appreciated joe rogan just giving her the mic afterwards and letting her say whatever she was going to say because that really was her moment and um i thought she did amazing considering the circumstances man A.K., this is a woman who's been through a lot and not just what's going on right now and things that she basically asked to get second and third hand from all these miles away because the reason she hasn't fought in two years is not because of injuries and not because of things like that's because she was there and she couldn't get the paperwork to get over to the U.S. because of COVID and travel restrictions and visa stuff. Like it took her a long time to even be able to get back to the United States. and she finally gets back to the United States.
Starting point is 00:48:17 She's getting ready to finally get back in the octagon. And then Fight Week, this is what's happening. This is what's on her mind. This is the stuff she's deal with, which, by the way, she's fighting a very dangerous and destructive striker in Maria Agapaba, someone who she's quite familiar with because they've trained together for a long time at ATT. So there's so much emotion built that all the things that were said between these two women going into this fight. And now deal with all this, the last two years, all of that, how impressive was.
Starting point is 00:48:44 was Marina Morose tonight, all things considered, because this is just unbelievable stuff. Yeah, what an incredible story. I think people also kind of just forgotten how good Marina Moros was. So I like that she got out to such a quick start in the fight, and I was like, man, this is making a statement. So anyway, it's good for her too.
Starting point is 00:49:01 You know, I bet once she got in there, I want to believe that she was able to, you know, a lot of athletes say this, that they're happy to compete. It lets them, you know, put aside their problems and their concerns, everything that's on their mind. I think that's probably impossible for Marina Moros, but I do think that in this fight, it lasted a little under nine minutes,
Starting point is 00:49:22 so a little bit over the halfway mark of round two. She was kind of able to escape, let out whatever aggression, whatever, you know, frustration you're feeling inside, not like in a way like, oh, I'm going to hurt Maria Agapova because of everything that's happening back home, but just a general release of tension. So it was great to see. heard it to be, I mean, relatively composed after and to be able to say that speech.
Starting point is 00:49:47 I mean, I don't know how she, I don't know how she was able to do it. Like, there just must have been a million things racing through her mind. I don't think she planned what she was going to say after. It was just, it was just from the heart. And as you mentioned, I know Casey mentioned it during the post-fight press conference, Rogan really did do a great job of just letting her have the mic. I'm glad the UFC didn't try to cut her off. They didn't worry about, you know, because I'm sure they have business interests with Russia.
Starting point is 00:50:11 I'm sure there's many thoughts on their side like, man, do we just let her go off? And they did, and she handled it well. You know, I don't think she said anything that should be taken as offensive to anyone. She just doesn't want there to be war in her homeland. I don't, that's not unreasonable, right? So, but yeah, I got really credit to Joe
Starting point is 00:50:28 because it looked like she was confused for a moment. I think she was like trying to give the mic back to him. And he was kind of like, just do it. Just say what you got to say. And it made for a really nice, genuine moment. And whatever's next for her, again, she might want to take a break. She might want to get back in there as soon as possible.
Starting point is 00:50:45 But this is a moment that she can be really, really proud of, regardless of what it happens with the rest of her career. She should look back on this and as something that was really special. Yeah, I spoke with her for about 35 minutes before this fight. And, I mean, a lot of passion coming from her. She's super serious about this. She's so excited to get back in there and have that moment. And, you know, when I asked her about the whole situation,
Starting point is 00:51:10 It was like really fresh. Like we haven't gotten nowhere near to the point we're at right now. So it was like, okay, we're at this early stage where they're kind of Russia's kind of entering the country, but they're not really doing anything. There's nothing destructive going on. And then as she arrives to Vegas, that's when everything really changes. And man, kudos to her. Congratulations on the win, the bonus and good on her. Well done.
Starting point is 00:51:33 Jalen Turner, well done. Great performance from him. Marina Rodriguez, have to imagine, barring something crazy. crazy her next fight will be for the belt. I don't think this is enough to skip Carla. It better not, but she should be waiting in the wings for the winner of that fight. Nick Nagu Mariano, he won, but did he win? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:51:54 He got to win and get second half his paycheck, so good on him. Umar and Amaga made off is the real deal due to super legit. Tim Elliott, gritty fight. Go watch his post-fight scrum. Honest Tim, I'm calling him from now on. You'll see why when you watch the post-fight interview. the scrum on our YouTube page Ludovic Klein, fun fight with
Starting point is 00:52:11 Devante Smith split decision. I don't know what fight this judge is watching. Probably still Sal DiMato. I don't know how you score that fight for Devante Smith, but it is what it is. And then Dustin Jacoby, gritty win over Mikhail Olexeychuk, and apparently he's had a whole litany of injuries
Starting point is 00:52:26 heading into that fight too. So gritty card, some grueling fights, some grueling performances. Now we turn it on over to the peeps for a few questions before we get out of here. memorable card. You mentioned Umar, man. It's like, it's like, yeah, I told for,
Starting point is 00:52:41 Umar should be like one of the most talked about fighters in this car. The way he just like ran through Brian Keller. But like so much other stuff happened. Can you imagine, can you imagine being a UFC contender at this point and like, Khabib comes and goes and like he's hyper dominant. And it's just like, oh man, I'm glad I didn't have to like get stuck fighting Habib.
Starting point is 00:52:57 Like I missed that window. And then all of a sudden you like think the Habib era is over. And now like there's like seven Nirmagamadoffs just invading the sport. Makachev. who all look like monsters. Hamzat. Dude, like, I might have two Nirmagabatovs ranked in the Bantamweight top 15
Starting point is 00:53:15 pretty soon. Like, I already have Saeed my number 15. Like, the Nirmagamadoff versus Nirmagamadoff title fight that's inevitably going to happen in some division is A, going to be awesome. I can't wait for that, but also B, like, I feel such pity and remorse for the gritty photographic designer
Starting point is 00:53:30 who has to figure out the kerning on that and, like, figure out how to actually put the words in a way that will make sense on that poster because that's happening. Like it's going to happen at some point. It's whether it's next year, the year after it, at some point we're getting Nirmika Madov
Starting point is 00:53:45 versus Nermikamatov in a title fight, and I can't wait for it. Guess what? There's no escape. You can't go to Belator to escape it because maybe the best Nagamade of him all is over there. He was in the corner tonight.
Starting point is 00:53:56 I saw him in the he was cornering them too. Oh, I know. Oh, man. Those guys and they're crazy beards. All right. Let's get into this thing. Here we go. I mean, does we have to start with Jed?
Starting point is 00:54:11 All right. I know. Can you imagine how a different RDA's career would have been if he hadn't gotten injured ahead of the plan McGregor? I mean, that's just one of those questions. I don't know if we're ready to dive deep into that. I think about this six times a day. There's not a day.
Starting point is 00:54:29 Honestly, it's like if I'm just not doing anything, like, you know, you're having a moment of quiet, like, reflection. And there's a lot of things passed to your mind. And then at some point it's like, God, what if RDA hadn't hurt his foot before the McGregor fight? Like, there's so much changes. Can I say a hot take on this? I feel like this is a moderate high take.
Starting point is 00:54:45 Oh, my gosh. Be nice. Outside of RDA being like richer, I don't really know that much changes. Like, if you go back and put yourself in that spot back in the day, like, I would pick RDA to beat Connor on most nights. But like back then at that point where Connor was, like just coming off of Jose, like there was real aura around that guy.
Starting point is 00:55:03 And the way that event. was being built up. Like, it was a gigantic event, the likes of which RDA had never even come close to being involved with. Like, I really feel like, like, Eddie Alvarez is a legitimate legend, first ballot hall of famer,
Starting point is 00:55:17 and the moment was too big for him. Like, if the moment's too big for Eddie, moment's probably going to be too big for RDA too. And I don't know that that fight goes any differently. But who wasn't too big for was for Nate Diaz. I think more than Connor, it was Nate Diaz is like that change. Yes.
Starting point is 00:55:32 It's the dominoes, right? It's the dominoes. Does Nate Diaz become suddenly this mainstream star? Connor still becomes a star somehow. Connor was already a star, but it becomes a superstar somehow. It was Nate Diaz that I think really the path changed. Yeah. Yeah, the Nate Diaz thing.
Starting point is 00:55:53 And then if RDA beats him, I do think it does change Conner's trajectory a little bit. He's already a massive star. He's still going to become big. But, man, I don't know. It would have affected it. And RDA, I think it changes his history. trajectory as well. Obviously, if he beats McGregor, I mean, it just puts, it takes in, again, it doesn't make him as big as Diaz because he's just not that personality, he's not going to do that.
Starting point is 00:56:13 But it does put him on a little bit extra, an extra level of fame. So, man, I think about it all the time. It is funny. I think it just leads to that division doesn't get stuck for two, two years, basically. And then Habib is just champion much, much quicker. And we may be more, we get like a few more, we get like a few more Habib fights because if he already had destroyed RDA, like he would have just come in, mom and won the title. and then like we would have just had a few more, like, chances to see him dominate the top guys. Probably would have been more fun.
Starting point is 00:56:41 Maybe why can't that timeline have happened? All right. Al content. Wait, he was somebody else, wasn't he? He used to be Alman. Yeah, he used to be out. Al-Mack. Okay.
Starting point is 00:56:56 We kind of didn't get paid enough for the amount of brain damage he took tonight. I mean, we don't really know that, but. Yeah, we're hoping. I think we, I think we, I know that he did enough. Yeah. Now, hold, let's hope he got. one, short note, he should get a short notice. He should get a bonus for having to fight two more rounds than necessary.
Starting point is 00:57:13 Like, I don't even mean after it happened. I mean, like, every fighter who gets, signs up for a non-title five-round fight should get paid more. I mean, I know we know that's not happening. That is what should be happening. And three, yes, after the fight, there's better be some backstage discretionary bonus headed his way. So there's like three separate kind of bone, and he probably should own fight at the night, too. So there's like literally four like bonuses that should be sent his way. UFC, take care of this man, please, because.
Starting point is 00:57:37 so much that was unnecessary. AK, can I let you in on a secret? Do it. None of that's happening. We don't know that. I'm just telling you, like, it's probably not going to happen. He definitely is underpaid. He definitely didn't get paid enough for what happened tonight.
Starting point is 00:57:51 I got kind of depressed when I realized that Greg Hardy outside maybe the main event guys made the most on the card. And Greg Hardy is not underpaid, by the way. Greg Hardy is not underpaid. He's actually one of the few fighters probably that's paid properly. it's just, yeah. I would bet that maybe I would bet maybe RDA came close to Megan with Greg's made.
Starting point is 00:58:14 He's been in this for so long, former champion. Yeah, right. But other than that, you're probably right. We never mentioned Greg Hardy's pay as one of the reasons why I think he keeps getting put on main cards. Because again, there's people that the matchbreaker's answer to and I'm sure there's accountants that go like,
Starting point is 00:58:29 they're looking like, hey, we're paying this guy, whatever, a six figure, pretty decent six figures. No, you're not, you can't throw him on the prelims. Like this is an investment that we have made. So we never bring that up as a reason for why he's always on the main cards. This we did. We all did. His pay?
Starting point is 00:58:42 His pay? Yeah. Jed brought it up. Jed brought it up. Waxed poetically for like 10 minutes about it. Well, I don't think it's the pay. You said Jed brought it up.
Starting point is 00:58:49 That's a big buzzing already. That explains why I didn't. There's a lot of reasons. Andre Arloski makes a nice chunk of change shoe. And he's a pre-lim fighter. I'm just, that's true. The salary doesn't really go into the car placement that often.
Starting point is 00:59:02 I think they put them on the main card because they feel like people want to. see Greg Hardy. They've always felt like people want to see Greg Hardy. Like, this is not changed. Over the last several years, they have consistently been on this spread. Sergey Spivak. Can we talk about, can we talk about Sergei Spivak instead? I was about to say that the guy who won the fight. Sergei Spivak, well done, great performance, the exact what you needed to do. Didn't try to get cute with it. Because, I mean, certainly if you tried to stand and bang, God knows what could have happened, took him right down, and really ragged all them.
Starting point is 00:59:29 I mean, really had fun, just kind of dragging him around, throwing him around. It was kind of hilarious to watch if we're being on. So, Sergey, hey, he's got some nice wins. Greg Hardy, he beat Tai Tuvasa. Let's not forget. I know it was a while ago now. Probably a very different Tai Tai Tuva. He beat him, but he beat him pretty clean, submitted him. So Sergei is right on that cusp.
Starting point is 00:59:47 I don't think he's quite in the top 15, but I mean, he's a talent guy. I mean, he could get up, as Jed always says, this is heavyweight. A couple of wins, Sergey Speedback could be top 10 by the end of the year. So congrats to him, Meg. Like, hats off to Sergey's president. That is why that fight was first on the main card. because it wasn't getting out of the first round and some was getting finished brutally.
Starting point is 01:00:07 Either Hardy was going to do the punching or, like I said, all week, Spivak gets one take down, the fight is over. That still didn't. I still have a weird issue with this. It looked like shit. Yeah, we got to move on. We got to move on because we can't spend anything in the end. We're not talking about Greg Hardy,
Starting point is 01:00:26 but why did the two most, the two most dominant wins on the card didn't get performance bonuses? I kind of understand why Umar didn't get it because he was such a favorite, but why didn't Spivak get it? Oh, because his opponent was garbage. I mean, I wouldn't get him. You always believe in it. I don't understand the U.S.
Starting point is 01:00:44 he believes him yet he's garbage. I just think it's a weird thing. You always say opponent quality matters. He fought maybe the one of the worst fighters in the UFC. I'm okay with him not getting a bonus for him. Kevin Hollins, Kevin Hollins' performance will be remembered more, not for the finish itself, but for the thumbs up at the end.
Starting point is 01:00:58 Oh, that was great. That meme will live on forever. Ever and ever. We will be seeing that meme for the rest of our career. rest of our lives on social media. And then Marina Rose, if you didn't give, if she did not get a bonus, we'd be having a much different conversation on this on this post-fight show. So I think for the most, I didn't have an issue with the bonuses.
Starting point is 01:01:15 If you wanted to give Bryce Mitchell the bonus over Kevin Holland, I wouldn't have had a problem with that. But Marina Morose, damn sure it was getting on. I just find it so odd as a fighter. He did exactly. When in the fight, took zero damage, won the fight, did even break a sweat. And yet I don't walk out an extra penny. I don't understand this work.
Starting point is 01:01:30 The move was to not do a fight at the night and just do four performance bonuses. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of, oh, yeah, just a lot of love for Moikana. Sure. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, that's great, but you sure?
Starting point is 01:01:46 It's not going to help him. That's not going to help him. Yeah, and let's not encourage this guys, please. Let's not encourage this damn going out on your shield behavior. I know it's great in the moment. Check in with Moikano again in 30 years when he can't remember his fourth grade math lessons, all right, or can't remember like one of his kids' names. All right.
Starting point is 01:02:01 Then we'll, trust me, it's not as glorious down. the road. Yeah, not his story. I know if it depends on positivity. That's a horrible watch our story on, um, I forgot his name. I got that Morocco did. Spencer Fisher. Spencer Fisher. Watch that. Yeah. Yeah. He won a lot of what he want a lot of bonuses. And yeah, I'm going to tell you he regrets. What he needs to do. What he needs to do is call Calvin Cater on the phone and talk to Calvin and his team and be like, what did you do? How did you do it? We're going to do the exact same thing. That's how you need to do it because Calvin took the time. he came back better than ever
Starting point is 01:02:34 and put the boots to Gigacaze and that was maybe the best performance of his career so after taking maybe the most vicious beating we've ever seen in the UFC from Max Holloway so yeah not good but I mean if we see Moikano fighting in June or July like which I don't think will happen but then we'll have some other questions
Starting point is 01:02:55 because Moikano has all the talent to be a top 10 guy absolutely has to be a top of time last year or no point though was it a mistake, not for the fight to go so long, but was a mistake to take this fight? No. If he's going to be out for that long, and we're talking about, like,
Starting point is 01:03:10 he ain't going to forget, he ain't going to remember his fourth grade math lesson or whatever. It was still the right thing to do. Yeah, he couldn't have anticipated he would take a beating like this. No one goes in no fight thinking like, yeah, I'm going to get just completely like bludgeon for, there's no way. He wouldn't have thought it was going to go like this.
Starting point is 01:03:27 I mean, for him, it's an opportunity. He's coming in short notice. It's kind of a way to shortcut up the division. like he wasn't going to get a big fight like RDA anytime soon so it's kind of that you take these shots when you can get him so no I mean I'm sure he would do it again if he had the chance sure Blake A Jalen Turner was the biggest star no doubt to finish someone like Marquis like that is incredible yeah man
Starting point is 01:03:48 John he is fun to watch Jalen Turner is super fun to watch he looks like a middleweight and at the lightweight division he's just a giant and he's just smooth the confidence is there he's got a little swagger to him which if you go back and watch like some of his regional fights and then contender series and then right when he breaks in the ufc you could see the talent was there you could see the ceiling was really high and obviously he's tall enough to maybe reach that ceiling but now you see the ceiling getting a little bit higher and he's starting to feel it starting to get that swag to him and you saw it in that malarkey fight tonight how good is this guy like is this
Starting point is 01:04:23 are we looking at a player here 55 i love it i absolutely love it i am on the jalen turn of bandwagon A little quick story about Jalen Turner. So my first time ever, like, experiencing him, meeting him, whatever, was UFC 229, which was the Connor Habib card. And so I was at Media Day for UFC 229, which used to be the old Media Day setup, where it was just a big room. You had everybody on the card there, and you kind of, it was, you had an hour to basically just figure out what you were going to do and talk to whoever you wanted.
Starting point is 01:04:49 And all the main players in the room had really long lines, and we had people working the lines for them. So I was like, I'm going to go walk around, talk to some other people, just, you know, see if I could find a cool story. and I come up to Jalen Turner who's making his UFC debut against Vicente Lucke of all people like Jesus Christ in retrospect. How rough of a UFC debut is that? And I don't know anything about him. So I just start talking to him of like, oh man, you know, Jalen Turner.
Starting point is 01:05:14 Like why do they call you the tarantula or whatever is, it's the tarantula, right? Yeah, why do they call you the tarantula? And he tells me the story about how he had 200 tarantulas at that point. But he tells us the story about how at one day, like his, he lived at it. his mom's place at that point. And one of the tarantulas had babies. And while they were out, the babies escaped from the actual tarantula cage or whatever you have for him.
Starting point is 01:05:40 And so just all of a sudden there's like hundreds of tarantula babies just running rampant among this poor woman's house. And she somehow did not kick him, her son out of the house at that point. Like that is my living nightmare, the idea of that. But I left that conversation just being like, dude, like this guy is, A, interesting. And B, massive for this weight class. he was fighting welterweight then and he was even big for welterweight. And the fact that he's able to make lightweight consistently, he is so long, he's so
Starting point is 01:06:05 rangy and he's dangerous, dude. Like these last four fights, he's looking like a problem at 155. And I don't know how long he's going to be able to make this weight because he's obviously still real young. He's 26. But like, however long he's able to make this weight, like I am incredibly interested to see where he's at where he's at in like a year or two because he could be a real contender in this division it looks like.
Starting point is 01:06:26 And he's just dangerous. like he is just going to spark dudes out, submit him, however it takes. He's going to get people out of there. And I love it. I love his gimmick. He kind of looks like a spider in a weird way because of how range he is and the hair and just everything. Like I am so in on it. I absolutely love where this is going.
Starting point is 01:06:44 Yeah, when he was just coming up, like a lot of the top fighters were talking about, and this is when I was like just breaking into the business. I was interviewing fighters like on the California regional scene. They all talked about Jalen Turner being such an integral part of their training camps and you know it's just amazing like i know michael bisbings talked about jalen turner helping him get ready for the anderson silvo fight like he's just he's that guy and now he's doing it himself he's got the skills everything's catching up and yeah this this dude's legit he need the way cut worries me a little bit the discipline which he kind of admits himself in his post by an interview
Starting point is 01:07:18 like he's like i like to eat food i like to eat cookies and cake and stuff like that like so the way cuts tougher like if he kind of gets that kevin hollin to him where he's just like all right i I guess I got to be a professional athlete now. I think he's going to be fine, but he's huge, man. He's a massive guy, and he has no, he doesn't really want to go to 170 just yet. So he's going to have to keep dealing with these weight cuts and he's going to have to figure out a way to make him as easy as possible because he's getting up there. How old is he? I mean, he's 27.
Starting point is 01:07:46 He's 26 right now. He's 6.3. And so it honestly, it might just be like a Connor situation where like Connor at 145, like you knew his days were numbered at 145 when he was. there. Like the way he was making the way you knew this is, there was an end point to this and you just need to like be able to get as far as you can get before you reach that at that point. That kind of might just be where we're at with Jalen where like he has, I'm just throwing out, but like he has four more fights before this suddenly can't work anymore or something like that. So for him, it's probably important to be able to make this as far as he can before he reaches
Starting point is 01:08:16 that point because it does feel like his inevitable destiny is going to be at 170, but, dude, he's such a big lightweight. Like he's James Vick's size, but it seems like he makes it pretty comfortably right now, so I don't know. I love it. He's dangerous men. Guys like him, he fought, he went two and O in Bellator, two wins, two finishes, and yet Bellator didn't resign him, eh, whatever. Just, I'm always kind of, all right?
Starting point is 01:08:41 Kevin Holland, too, right? Kevin Holland had some Beloit. Yeah. I think sometimes they just lose track of guys. You know, those guys, they sign just sort of fill in their under their real them. I think they always, you know, they signed, it's one fight deals, right? They usually sign a one fight deal at a time, and you just forget the guys fall out to the cracks.
Starting point is 01:08:59 All right. Take a few more. Aschus saying, Bryce Mitchell, I'm sold, and I'm from Australia. What do you guys think is next for him? Ortega. Sean likes the Ortega idea. Ashley, tune in six hours and 43 minutes from right now, and AK&I will give you that answer on this very page. Ashley might be back to sleep by the time our show, actually.
Starting point is 01:09:23 It's like a 14-hour time. difference, right? You know, it'll be a video, you can watch it later. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Podcasts, video. Sandy fam, I was waiting for this question to come up. Janjanon, Marina Rodriguez fight. A great fight.
Starting point is 01:09:42 It was a really good fight. Maybe the fight of the night. Yeah, wouldn't have been shocked. What did you think of it, AK? Wow. There's a little bit arguing on social media. I thought Marina won. I have to say, but me and Jed were doing Twitter.
Starting point is 01:09:55 spaces, so I will admit I wasn't 100% watching it. But from what I saw, it seemed like Marina won the second, run the third, but lost the first. That's how I scored it. What say you? Is that how you scored it as well? Yeah, I had it for Marina. But the second round was close, and I think the argument for Jan is that she looked like
Starting point is 01:10:12 she was landing. She landed a few of the heavier shots. There was moments where she landed, and she was doing this throughout the fight, was landing these really big bombs. I do think, but I think, I think Haredriguez was giving as good as she was getting. She certainly had the significant strike. advantage in the second and third. Not that that's how you should count fights, by the way.
Starting point is 01:10:28 But, I mean, if you want to talk about a close fight, that is one decider. Like, I don't think the strikes split right down the middle. You can see. Right down the middle. I had it for Yon. I had it for Yon. Even though I take the Marina coming into this, but, and I had it for Yon. But clearly looking at this.
Starting point is 01:10:41 Yeah. It was, yeah, it was close. Thank goodness for Marina. I mean, what a banana feel that would have been to slip on to lose to a really tough fighter and Yon Shown on, a fight that some people, again, a lot of people just said Marina is, you know, ready to be the number one contender. I know she lost to Sparza, but that was a very controversial fight. If you go, I know we don't have that made decisions for that.
Starting point is 01:11:03 I believe it's mostly Rodriguez scores for that fight. So this was a dangerous fight. Jan Shaan, before the getting trucked by Asparza was 6 and O in the UFC. I mean, she's a really good fighter. And she showed it. She showed it tonight. One thing I tweeted out was like, this to me, I know it's now two straight loss of her, but this to me, if anything, reinforces that she could still be a player at 115 pounds.
Starting point is 01:11:28 I don't see two straight losses for her. Asparza, terrible matchup for her. But she went toe to toe with Rodriguez, again, the number one, number two contender, however you want to look at her. I saw a question earlier in the chat. Why was she so emotional? I think, again, just coming off a loss like that to Sparza, you know, we've been talking about a lot about fighter mindset today.
Starting point is 01:11:48 Man, what does that kind of thing do for your confidence? I'm sure she was shook after getting like just just totally dominated by as far as this. So to come back and put on a very, very strong gutsy three-round performance, whether she won the fight or not, she just lets all that emotion out after. It didn't surprise me at all that she was crying. I was like, yeah, man, that must be something to just go to war like that and really prove again to yourself that, yeah, damn, you are a contender. You are a top 10, a legitimate top 10 straw weight in the entire world. So it was great to see.
Starting point is 01:12:15 But yeah, I love the fight. I actually wish you to got the fight of the Night Award. and Rodriguez has got to get a teleshot somewhere down the road. And Shaan, or Jan, I should say, let's revisit that a year from now. And hopefully we at the very least get Jan, Jan, Jan, Jan, Jan, having in a car someday. Shout us, Jen Rishu. Let's make that happen.
Starting point is 01:12:34 What did you think of it, Sean? I mean, it's as good as it gets. I actually thought Jan Janai was a very live underdog, if you're looking at the car from a betting perspective, because I think she closed it around a plus 225. And in a matchup like that, Marine's not going to try to take her down. It's going to be, they're just going to stand there in trade.
Starting point is 01:12:50 And Janjanat is a very good striker. And people forget that because of the loss of Carla. But this fight delivered in spades. I thought it was great. Two very fun fighters, two very technical strikers, just got after it. What did you think? No, yeah, I agree. I think it was one of the best fights on the entire card.
Starting point is 01:13:06 And it was good for Marina Rodriguez to be able to get that win because it did feel like she was kind of in this weird no man's land. And if she would have dropped the ball here right at the precipice of it, like AK said that would be a really tough beat for. her. I had it scored for her 229, 28, but I probably want to rewatch that one just in case because it did seem like there was a split and it was
Starting point is 01:13:25 a couple close rounds there, but ultimately I don't think it's the type of win that gets her to leapfrog over Carla in particular because Carla has that win. But I mean, she has to be right there. Like I hope that we can get this Rosamayune as Carla fight on the book soon so we can get this division moving again so that Marina doesn't have
Starting point is 01:13:42 to sit out like a year just waiting for this title shot because that's sort of the unspoken thing right now is like everywhere all proclaiming her as this next woman up after the next woman up. But like the first one isn't even booked yet. So hopefully that can get on the book soon so this division doesn't get really slowed down. I love Rose, but it seems like when she's champion,
Starting point is 01:13:59 we don't get that many strawweight title fights. So hopefully this rain is a little bit different than that. But yeah, I thought it was a great fight. One of the best fights on the card and the fact that it was on the undercard remains incredibly silly to me. It should have been the first fight on the paper review. It should have been the first fight in pay review.
Starting point is 01:14:17 I don't care about stupid heavy weights that nobody care. No one's talking about Sergey Spittag. No one's talking about it. Shout out. Shout out. I mean the UFC cared. This fight should have been up there.
Starting point is 01:14:28 All right. But more people watch, more people watch Marina Rodriguez win on ESPN than they would have on the paper view. But it's status. It's the status. It's the conversation. It's the conversation.
Starting point is 01:14:40 We don't talk about it. You get more involved in the conversation if you're on the pay-per-view. It's just, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we weren't even talking. about Sergei Spieback. So, I mean,
Starting point is 01:14:49 it is what it is. It's... Speak for yourself. I've got a lot to say about it. I'm disappointed in the UFC. Disappointed. I know. You're not even mad.
Starting point is 01:14:57 You're not even mad. You're just disappointed. Is Mazdaal in the Legends Fighter League now? Where he only fights and fun fights with veterans for the rest of his career. I don't know that those two things, I don't equate those two things together. Because the Legends Fighter League is like the dudes who really should be retired, but they're just fighting each other.
Starting point is 01:15:16 So, like, that's okay. Like, I'm cool with that if the old guys want to fight the old guys. The fun fights league is a different league entirely, right? Like, that's what he's saying. It's, who are, who are top contenders in the watchatory? He's, he's not fighting the Brady's. He's going to be fighting Robbie Lawlers, the, Which is, the Wonder Boys.
Starting point is 01:15:37 Guys, we don't think, the Matt Browns. Which I think is the right place for him at this point. Like, he's that star. He's that guy who can carry. I think the answer is yes, then for the question. He's the A side of any, like, matchup like that for the most part, unless it's, like, one of the few guys who's not, maybe like a Connor or Diaz or whoever.
Starting point is 01:15:54 But, like, yeah, like, Jorge could still have a very good career for the next couple of years, just doing these fun fights. And, again, being the A side to somebody else that feels like a fun style of statistic matchup, like, yeah, there's plenty out there for him. Sure. So Mazadal continue to be a major drawout tonight. Yes, he does. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:13 Will he be headlining paper views and non-title fights? Probably not. Probably not. Will he headline fight nights or be, a co-main event on a big card absolutely yeah well we see him fight jake paul soon 100% yeah because as long as as long as mazal didn't get finished tonight and like he was never in danger of even getting finished he got dominated but not finished so i think he's fine uh take one more find the best one more one more i will say the colby was doing like a ton of damage to him man colby was at some point was on
Starting point is 01:16:48 was lighting his ass up at some point on the feet. I mean, the wrestling was the basis of it? Was there any point where you go, oh, man, they got to stop this fight soon. We're right. No. That's not me. When he had him against the fence and was landing just a ton of an anthrax strikes. No, no, no.
Starting point is 01:17:03 A few of the jokes, a few of the jokes felt like they were getting close. Like a few of them almost felt like they slithered in. But, Horan, I thought he was going to crank him on his jaw. But, yeah, I think, yeah, he knows what he's doing. to say you can't like the the narrative from mazadol about this fight i mean and i know he'll mention it like a little bit just kind of being sarcastic but you cannot say this is a crotch sniffing performance colby not at all colby sund him tonight i mean he sent him he sent him just took him down did whatever he wanted and i mean this was not a competitive fight at all outside of the one shot that
Starting point is 01:17:40 mazada landed i scored at fifty forty three i thought colby got a ten eight in the third and the fifth it didn't happen we got 1 5044 but i mean this is one-way traffic this there's no there's no crotch sniffing there's none of that this was a this is a one-sided beating and i kind of it had a uh uh nade a leon edwards versus nate dsville where there was that one moment obviously the moment came just that one part just that one part but the same moment there's a moment happened but he took such a beating to get to that moment that he couldn't follow up that moment like obviously masvadoe was so beat up from the Nate tried Nate almost Nate
Starting point is 01:18:18 Nate followed up it just too late Nate did the whole thing remember watch it again Nate that was like way everyone crazy for like Nate was like follow up follow up But Nate landed more shots after that Like he didn't just rock him once And the bell rang It wasn't exactly the same
Starting point is 01:18:33 I'm saying it's like that beating But there's that one moment that Because Masvald all had that one moment There's still a little bit of light into the tunnel Colby did a lot more... I think you're totally wrong with that. Colby did a lot more damage to Masvedal
Starting point is 01:18:49 than Edwards did to D.S. I mean, Colby was... Like, you guys, the finish I was part... The I was thinking that was when he had him against the fence and was just landing unanswered. And, you know, Massel was moving his head. He was all right, but he was getting hit. Yeah, he was robo doping.
Starting point is 01:19:02 Yeah, he slipped quite a few of them. He was... He stood quite a few. Sure, he did, but he was also... But he was also getting hit. He was, and that wasn't the only time. That was one part. He was getting hit.
Starting point is 01:19:11 Like, watch the fight again. He, people want to talk with that one shot. I'm not going to watch the fight again. Yeah. Colby cracked them with some clean, clean, clean shots. Like, this isn't, this wasn't just volume. People were asking, why did Mazvedo kept getting backed up to the fence? I'm like, because when they were throwing and exchanging, like Covington was legitimately
Starting point is 01:19:30 hurting him. That there's a reason that the cage out cut off. It wasn't just bad strategy or whatever or just pressure. He was hurting him in some of those exchanges. So I got to give Coventin credit. I mean, he really was throwing. I talked about it on the Q&A. Someone asked, you know, who's,
Starting point is 01:19:44 striking is better, you know, Mazavada or Kobe. And I was like, well, it all depends on the, how worried you are about the wrestling. If you're worried about Kobe's wrestling, Kobe's striking will be a lot better. As Masvado is worried about the wrestling, Masvadov's striking isn't as dangerous. So Kobe, yeah, Kobe uses his wrestling and makes him a much better striker. He mixed the martial arts. Again, I'm trying to put a stop to, but I mean, people just keep doing it, Casey. By the way, just to put a stamp on it for context, significant strikes in the Edwards Diaz fight, Leon landed one more significant strike than Nate did.
Starting point is 01:20:20 Really? In overall strikes, Nate Diaz, almost 50 more strikes total than Leon landed. 130 to 83. Total. So, and then 77 to 76, Leon Edwards for significant strikes. So totally different circumstances. I guess about mine, or where you kind of see people chatter online, I think. think maybe they've kind of, I thought Leonel was much more dominant in that fight than I
Starting point is 01:20:45 He was winning the fight. He was winning the fight as far as not taking damage, but his output was not significant. Obviously, nowhere near Colby Coving, very different style of fighters, but I thought Colby had Moisewell in a lot more trouble than Edwards ever did Diaz. And again, Dea Edwards clearly won that fight, but he won that fight in the way, you know, you win, you win M.A. fights, you know. And that's fine. I'm not criticizing that.
Starting point is 01:21:10 But Colby was really, really did a ton on offense today. Well, I'm not going to rewatch either of those fights. So I take it a word for it. You could hit the music, Casey. Yeah, I was looking for it. Can we stop mixing the martial arts? What was my hashtag I said earlier? Hashtag, oh, hashtag, keep the martial arts apart.
Starting point is 01:21:28 Keep the hashtag, keep the martial arts apart. Keep the martial arts apart. It's a very easy to chant. We'll get it. We'll get the rhythm down there. Hashtag, this is my new thing, guys. that's not mixed in the martial arts it was too much
Starting point is 01:21:40 Justin Jacoby went for a take down and I was like whoa what are we doing what do we stop it this is what happens if you guys in the morning listen if you guys
Starting point is 01:21:50 still want some MMA drama looks like Connor McGregor is on the Twitter rampage again not on the rampage but he's out there tweeting and the more tweets
Starting point is 01:21:59 he does probably the more dramatic it will get so if you're looking for something to do hand on over to Connor's Twitter because it looks like he's very active on there so that's it
Starting point is 01:22:07 UFC 2, 72 in the books. AK and I will be back in about six and a half hours to talk some matchmaking. Sean's got a call and coming out tomorrow. It's not over yet, is what we're trying to say. It's never over. Here we go. So for Sean or AK, Casey on the ones and twos, and all of you.
Starting point is 01:22:24 Appreciate you very much. I am Mike Heck. Good night, everybody. And good morning to some of you. Keep the martial arts apart. Keep the martial arts apart. Keep the martial arts apart. Keep the martial arts apart.
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