MMA Fighting - UFC 279 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Nate Diaz's Perfect Exit, Khamzat Chimaev's Destruction

Episode Date: September 11, 2022

Nate Diaz and Khamzat Chimaev didn't end up fighting each other in the end, but both men ended their nights in the best possible way at UFC 279. MMA Fighting's Mike Heck, José Youngs, Alexander K. Lee, and Jed Meshew react to Diaz's fourth-round submission win over Tony Ferguson in the main event of Saturday's card at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, and why, if that was his final UFC fight, he went out on the highest of notes. Additionally, the panel discusses Chimaev's complete destruction of Kevin Holland and whether or not his future could still be at welterweight, Daniel Rodriguez's split decision win over Li Jingliang, Irene Aldana's unique finish of Macy Chiasson, Chris Barnett's unbelievable win, and much more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Jose Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Follow Jed K. Meshew: @JedKMeshew Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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In-store online at Sephora.ca. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. All right, everybody, we are back. second half of our post-fight coverage here on MMAfighting.com. After UFC 279, it is officially in the books. Nathan Diaz closes the show with a fourth round submission. And then if you were joining us the entire time, you watched just an outstanding final post-fight press conference.

We're here to recap all that happened tonight in Las Vegas. It has been a crazy fight week. One of the craziest we've ever seen. In the end, we got probably the... the fights we should have had in the first place. And Nate Diaz leaves and goes out on this final fight of his USC contract with a submission victory

over Tote Ferguson. Thank you for joining us. I am Mike Keck. We will be joined by Jed Mishu and the Prince of Positivity Alexander K. Lee. You can see them right there. But first, let us turn our attention to the boots on the ground. There he is. The great legendary Jose Young's.

Jose, the card is over. We just heard Nate Diaz provide just so much entertainment roasting as many people as possible not taking himself too seriously he got water in his shoe all of that is this with the fight the finish the post-fight presser is this about as good as it could have gone

for Nate Diaz on this final trip to the Octagon as the UFC fighter at least for now yeah 100% I mean first you needed to win obviously that's the big one and then obviously beat beat winning against Tony Ferguson,

buy submission, getting a flex to the crowd, getting the huge ball. This was... Nate beat the UFC. That's as best as I can describe it. He was put out to there to be a sacrificial lamb

to put, in pro-rassal in terms, to put Hamzot over. Didn't end up fighting Hamzot. Probably got paid a whole bunch more money to fight Tony Ferguson. It goes out on a win to end his UFC contract to do whatever he wants.

Life's good for Nate Diaz. He beat the UFC. It's $2,000. Travis Scott's shoes are soaking wet, though. That's a little unfortunate, but yeah, best case scenario. Absolutely. And just to see it all play out the way that it did and the shifting of the fights, no longer him fighting Hamzaa Chamaif.

Are you feeling just so much better in a way as a fan and as a journalist of the sport who's been covering these guys, especially Nate and Tony for so long, to see these guys get this opportunity, to see them have the fight that probably should have happened in the first place. Was it just a different feeling watching the main event as opposed to other main events we had this year where there's heat and there's tension? This one was just, we could just sit back, relax, and just watch two legends, two OGs go out there and just punch each other in the face and not a lot of pressure.

I feel like the fight itself, like the actual fight between Tony Ferguson and A. Diaz was like the fifth on the totem pole from like storylines. It's like the actual fight no one's talking about. It's Nate's contract, the Hamzot, Tom Foolery, all the shuffling. Yes, so I get what you're trying to say. There's no, like, heat between Tony and Nate, but the actual fight, no one cared about. All the storylines are Nate leaving and Hamzot, what he would have done. No one's being like, hey, Nate, that submission is like, break that down.

Were you expecting Tony a shoot for a takedown? No, literally none of that. It's very bizarre in the sense that I feel like, This fight happened, and nobody really cares about the actual fight. It's all the storylines that come out after. It's not like, oh, Tony, it's not like when Dustin and Connor fought and Connor got knocked out or talking about how he looked at the first round, going into the second round. None of that.

The Xs and O's of this fight, no one cares about. It's very strict. I get it. It's still very, it's a strange feeling. Yeah, all the main event tension was on the co-main event between Hamzaa Chimayef and Kevin Holland, and then we just, the tension just alleviated and then we just got to sit back and just kind of enjoy a main event for a different way.

So let's talk about Hobbs on Shamiya. You could feel however you want to feel about this man and how professional or unprofessionally was throughout the week and everything that happened. But he went out there and he put it on Kevin Hollins. That was some scary stuff, Uber impressive. The guy's an absolute monster.

What did you make of Shemaya's performance? You may have expected him to go out there and beat Kevin Holland, maybe finish him, but to see him just ragged all Kevin like that, Kevin didn't land a single strike on him. Was this the kind of performance you were expecting, or were you even surprised at all by this? I was surprised he submitted him in the way he did.

So I guess that I'm surprised about. I thought he would probably finish Kevin. Like, either hurting him on the feet, hurting him on the ground with ground or pound or whatever. But I was surprised it was submission. But I'm not surprised in the violence and the ferocity and the incredible chain wrestling that Habib Habib Hamzad did. It was, yeah, Hamzot was a scary dude and he probably would have folded an eight in half and ate him. You were in the room with Hamza for the post-fight press conference.

What did you make of the demeanor? It was almost like the mask came off for a little bit. The war, Hamzat kind of went to the back burner a little bit. He did kind of get dark at moments. but for the most part, kind of opened up a little bit more. It was a different kind of look that we've seen from him the rest of the week. So what did you make of Hamzat's reaction to the fight and everything that transpired this week after the card ended?

Hold on Mark wanted to say hi. The famous Mark Romandie, that one slept on Nate Diaz's count. Trapp house Ramundi. Stay away from Jose. Stay away from him. Yeah, they don't want to be influenced. They don't want to influence me. I built

anime fighting. Oh, I am. Anyway. Wow. Hey, tell him to stay away from the wacky tobacco.

Tell him to stay away from the wacky to back. The electric lettuce is bad, Mark. Anyway, what were you saying, Mike? What was Hamza like? He looked real angry.

He looked real annoyed. There were reporters in here that don't like asking Hamzaq questions. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Mark, get out of here. He's so...

He's right here. I don't. know you're famous right now, Mark, but come on. No. So who won the Solterblers today? We're going to get that update from Jed Bishu in a little while. We'll open it up and let him give his Jedbissue review. But I know you're going to get out of here.

I'm sorry. What else stuck out to you? What outside of the shuffle up and the top three fights and everything, was it Arrini Aldana's very unique finish? What was the thing that stood out to you the most tonight? I mean, I might have a crush on Chris Barnett. That dude's a wild man. That was one of the most fun fights I've ever watched. Like, while it was the first round was happening, I was like, I felt really bad

considering everything that happened with Chris Barnett's personal life with his fiancé and everything. I was like, oh, this isn't great. And then the fact, the way that he pulled that off, it's, that was a lot of fun. That was a lot of fun, and the crowd was really hyped. He's unfortunate he missed weight because he didn't get the fight of the night, but Dana White did say he would obviously comment to him. real weird that Daniel Wolfe just looks like she had never, I don't know, like, it just,

someone was off about that fight? It was real well, I'm like, was Sian Punk better at MMA than Daniel Wolfe? That's a legitimate question I had after that fight. And then obviously, of course, you're running Aldana knocking out, Macy Chazen. No one knew what happened in the back. Everyone was like, did she break her?

Did she, like, fall down? She'd blow her near, whatever. And then when we finally saw it, we were like, whoa, never going to see that ever again, I would imagine. But yeah, like, a lot of fun, a lot, a lot of fun stuff on the, card. It was, uh, it was slow at first. At least Reed was a really fun interview. Uh, that

fight was fine, but yeah, it was, it was a good, it was a good fight card. I enjoyed, I, I, I, I enjoyed covering this fight card. A lot of fun storylines, a lot of interesting people. Yes. And it's probably one you'll never forget when Jose Youngs writes an autobiography about his, his, his career covering MMA. I believe there will be multiple chapters on this UFC 279 fight week and everything that went down. We were all talking about, I've never been more exhausted from a fight week in my life. Like this was just such an mentally exhausting fight.

Like when stuff happens, you just have to be on 24-7 in case something happens. It was exhausting, but it was without it, outside of 223, which is still probably the craziest fight week I've ever been a part of. This was right up there. Well, get some rest, Jose.

You deserve it. Well done as always. You can play the applause. Sound effect, Casey, he deserves it. I do want to give a shout out to well not a shout-up but we all cover events in Las Vegas a lot we all know the city pretty well and Jeff German I'm sure you guys heard was a one of the best journalist this city has ever seen covering the mob and business and crime and

everything and he was killed outside of his house for essentially just being a really good reporter so we lost a really really really important journalist and just sucks and I feel just fucking I feel awful for his family so anyway I wanted to say that because we lost a good one well said my man uh appreciate you saying that appreciate all the hard work this week and uh thank you very much for the great coverage and safe travels home my man uh it's a little way go guys there we go there's jose youngs he will be will probably see him in arizona for the jake paul anderson sylva press conference they're going back to back I think they're in Cali one day

and then they go to Phoenix or Glendale the next day and I believe we'll have Jose out there and maybe Shaheen as well. Now we have Jed Mishu. We have Alexander Kay Lee. Do we want to do a social club? We'll save the social gloves review for later. But Jed...

Whenever you want to do it, man. Yeah, we'll save it for after we talk about some of the storylines and go to the piece. But Jed, did you think we would... Like four days ago. Did you think that we'd be feeling the way that we feel

after this card. No, because four days ago, this card was going to be sanctioned murder. Like, that's just what was going to happen. And I feel incredibly confident that all of our bad vibes were the most spot on. Like, everybody was right. We were all totally right about what was going to happen. And then for once, for once in their lives, the MMA gods, gave us something. Instead of taking something away like they did with Tony and Habib,

thousand times or any of the other numerous things that they have stolen from us the m may gods gave us a gift a beautiful gift because nate dyes walks in the light i do not know how this man has managed to pull off like two of the biggest heists in ufc history functionally by coming on short notice and tapping connor mcgregor and then this whole thing just smelling like roses there's no world in which he was supposed to, it was designed for him to, to look bad and go out on a loss and get over the next guy. And somehow, he comes out looking the best he has in years. It's, it's unbelievable and incredible. And all of it rules. And so thank you, M. May gods, the next time you take a really dope fight from us, because some dude steps on a wire backstage or whatever, I won't

even be mad because you gave us this one. Well said. A.K. You are the Prince of Positivity. I'm sure you're feeling very positive right now. What did you think of the fight? What did you think of the fight? I mean, again, we talked about this on the press conference stream. There were two fences here. There are two sides. There was one that was just like,

this is just fun. Let's just enjoy it for what it is. This is how we fell with Mike Tyson, box Roy George Jr. It's just cool. Guys are playing the greatest hits. They're out there doing what they do. and this is just kind of fun. And on the other side, it's the, oh, how dare you put on this main event? This is horrible.

These guys are past their prime, not having any fun with it at all. What did you think? What would you like to say about this fight? First off, let me say apologies to anyone that was expecting, Shaheen Al Shadi. I know you signed off on the Post-Five Press Conference show. But listen, this is one last fight week twist.

You couldn't cap off UFC 279 fight week without one other late substitution. So here I am. Thank you guys for having me. Sheen had to be called away for something. So I am here. Yeah, listen, I love the main events. I thought it was a great idea on paper.

I was kind of saying on some of the pre-fight shows we were doing like, forget about records. Forget about, oh, a main event with no, like it's not for a title shot. It has obviously no title implications. These guys are veterans. They're probably a bit past their prime. But the most important thing is, do you want to see these two fight? Do you want to see, did you ever want to see Nate D.S.?

fight Tony Ferguson. And we're not talking about this. They're not like in their 40s and 50s. It's not like so far past their like glory days that like they're not great fighters. If you watch the fight, you saw how good these two guys still are. Can they compete with the Kamsat Shamiavs of the division anymore? No, of course not. You know, can Tony Ferguson compete with the, you know, with the, I don't know,

the Vaniel Dariushes and the Charles Olivares? No, they can't. Okay, and that's fine. Fighting is supposed to be again about combat sports was just always about putting two guys who are, who are fun fighters. and wanting to see who's better. And that's what Nate Diaz and Tony Ferguson epitomized. So listen, there's 40, 50 events a year.

That's just talking about the UFC. There's also one championship belt or PFL. If you want to see fights with championships stakes and clear, like, oh, what does this fight mean? We see that every other event of the year. It's okay to have an event, even a pay-per-view, which is just literally a fun fight between two guys who always want to see fight each other. As for how it unfolded, I thought it was really fun. fun, super fun fight.

If you're a fan of Nate Diaz's antics and Tony Ferguson's antics, you loved it. If you're not, probably didn't change your mind. You probably were a little exhausted in the third when Diaz started like talking to people outside the cage. Ferguson was, was, uh, Ferguson was trying to taunt him to start, hey, come back here and like, you know, flopping onto his back. If you hate that stuff, this fight didn't change your mind. But if you're a fan, man, it's like, I think, as Jed said, this is like the greatest

hits and maybe a few new wrinkles here and there too and again and two guys who were comparing preparing for very very very different fights um Diaz said after I was preparing for wrestling man I was doing a full wrestling camp so kind of just had to figure out the striking on the fly not that it's that difficult for him Tony Ferguson wasn't even preparing for a five-round fight and Lee Jinglang a very different opponent than Nate Diaz so you know these guys had to had to it was it was almost like jazz you know they didn't even have a set list we said the greatest I said they didn't have a set list. They went up there.

They were doing the spinal tap, county fair, jazz odyssey. And it was fantastic. It was fantastic for the most part. So, yeah, I really liked it. Again, if you didn't like it going in, the result, how it unfolded, probably didn't change your mind.

But I think for a lot of us who had, you know, placed our expectations in the right way, I think it landed perfectly. And, yeah, in the end, could not have worked out better for the UFC. I'm sure they would love to be able to bring Nate Diaz back now, but even him saying, well, I'm not not coming back to the UFC

is some kind of victory. And also going out with a post-fight speech where he's thinking the UFC, praising the UFC, really what more could you have asked for from a company perspective, from a fan perspective. It was a very solid main card. Nate did a tremendous job. Let that be a lesson to you kids out there.

Don't burn bridges when you leave a job. Yep. because you never know when you want to come back to that job for a million dollar paid a in two years after you boxed Jake Paul and fought Conner McGregor outside the confines of the UFC. That was the most professional thing that's maybe ever happened literally in the sport of MMA. Yeah, play the cool guy, play the rebel. Yeah, play the cool guy, play the rebel all you want. But when it's time to talk brass tax, time to talk dollars and cents, be sensible. Be sensible.

You don't need to ride. We've seen a lot of people in MMA ride gimmicks a little too far and to their detriment. We'll see what has with Hamza. Again, if you're still, we're seeing it right now. We'll see. I mean, if you ask New York, Rick, it's all, it's all fun and games for Hamzaa. It's only up onward and upward. But I do think, I know we'll talk about Hamza in a bit, but I do think there may

been some damage done to the old reputation there. But we'll see. We're going to get to Hamza real quick. I guess the other real interesting storyline to come out of this fight. Who knows it's going to happen with Tony. Ferguson, props to him for stepping up. I'm glad he got his moment. But Jed, as AK mentions, he went on a high note.

He was George Costanza. He said everything he needed to say. He got out of there. He left a good taste in everybody's mouth. He ain't come back for a million dollar payday. He's going to come back for about a $5 million payday. And I think after how he handled himself throughout this fight week and after the win, they will gladly give it to him.

So Nate has not closed the door on a return. He even said, I'm going to go do something, to show these fighters like Connor McGregor how to do it in another sport or whether it's boxing or kickboxing or jujitsu and then I'm going to come back and I'm going to win that UFC title the greatest title in sports. Was this the last UFC fight in your eyes or do you think he comes back? Do you think we'll see him fighting the UFC again? How old is he 37? I think it's last. I think he's opened the door and I wouldn't I wouldn't.

you know, it's probably close to pick him odds, right? Like I, he's, we all know why he's leaving. He is going to go box, Jake Paul. Like, that is the next thing that happens. And that will happen sometime next year, right? Earlyish to maybe the summer of next year, depending on how long negotiations take, et cetera. I have long said that both he and Connor McGregor know the score.

Based on some tweets from Connor today, seems like I was not wrong in that. And that, you know, Nate's going to busy him. himself with Jake Paul. Conner's going to finally get back, get healthy, fight out his contract, at which point they're going to rematch, the three match outside the confines of the UFC so they can take the lion's chair of the money made. And then once that's over, then, yeah, there's a world where Nate can come back because I just don't know what other fight opportunities.

I mean, he will have some, certainly. He's Nate Diaz. Nothing jumps off the page at me right now, except for maybe. maybe like a Logan Paul thing. And so I could see if he goes, especially if he either beats Jake Paul, which I don't think he will, or beats Connor in an outside trilogy,

they bring him back and maybe hell, they'll just run him into a title shot because why not? Maybe by that time, Hamz out's a Walterweight champion, and you do it, he comes back for a title shot there because that's some juice you try and put to it or whatever. But I think it's just as likely that he gets out of the UFC

and realizes I can make more money doing other stuff, and I can also do a lot of other stuff. He's got a fight promotion. He's got all this other stuff going on. So I lean towards that's the last time we see him in the octagon, but it won't totally shock me if he does come back. Where is your gauge at, AK? Was that the last Nantes fight in the UFC?

No, he'll be back. Tell you back. I'm like 60-40 on it now. I don't know. know how I felt. I'm having trouble kind of recalling how I felt before. Probably I, you know, I've been saying it's possible. I was saying on the pre-fight shows, like, there's a reason we're like sort of couching so many of the articles and headlines that we write about, Nate Diaz, his final fight with possibly likely, we could never, you know, obviously for, for like dramatic purposes,

we like saying it's final, you know, final. But this is the fight business. We did say he's 37 years old, but he stays in amazing shape. I mean, he's probably, let me put this way, four years from now, he's one of those guys, he's probably going to look like he does, when he's 41, he'll probably look like he did when he's, I don't know, 35, 34, 34, 34, Andrew Silva.

Andrewsill was what, 44 now, 45? Anderson's up there. He kind of looks like he did a decade ago, right? He just, he looks like the same guy. I think we might have that same effect with Nate Diaz. So yeah, be smart, make your money outside the UFC, take all the big fights you can, Jake Paul, Connor, whoever may be.

and then when it's time to come home, quote unquote, the home that he has called anyway for the last 15 years, he'll do so. And there'll be fun fights or, again, if his name is big enough, they throw him right into a total opportunity against whoever may be holding the belt at that time. He'll be back. I don't think the Nate Diaz and UFC story is over.

And I'm sure a lot of fans will be happy to hear that. Can I just say that I really hope he doesn't come back? I'm with you. This is, we talk about it kind of a lot, especially lately with this many retirements. Nobody gets out of this game in good, like nobody gets out of this game of good condition. I'm not even saying Nate's getting out in good condition. Like he's suffered a lot over this course of the sport, but there are so few happy retirements. Like, genuinely think of what are the happy retirements?

It's George St. Pierre. And then number two is who. Cole Conrad. Well, I sure. I guess to some extent, though most people don't even know that Cole Conrad was a thing, but yes. But there just aren't any of them. Like for the longest time, Chris Lytle was the only guy who was like, hey, he got out well. He went out on a win.

He did it. What he did do? Like, this is a good retirement, especially given that it was supposed to be the worst exit possible. Like if he comes back Does I don't know for what Because he's not going to win a belt if he comes back And like there could be some fun fights But by the time he comes back

He will be really pushing 40 With a lot of fight miles on him And a ton of money in the bank I would prefer that he Go get the bag from Jake Paul Get the bag with Connor Maybe get one more bag outside the UFC And then stick with his own fight promotion

Or do triathlons or sell weed, whatever it is that he wants to be doing that doesn't involve him taking more traumatic brain injury because he won the game. They're like three people in the history of the sport who have been more successful than him.

Like he has won the game. I would like him to leave with all of his faculties. Yeah, I'm with you. You can't go on a higher note, I don't think, at this point. I cannot structure a way for him to go out better. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, coming back for Connor makes no sense because like you have already laid out and you've been laying out for a long time. Connor's going to be his UFC contract is going to be done soon as well.

And then just do it and make all the money when you have the third fight. Do it co-promotion McGregor sports entertainment and fighting and do the campaign. They both know that. They are not stupid people when it comes to business. Both of them are extremely aware. And that's absolutely what's going to happen. And they're going to make all the money. And then they don't need to fight anymore.

So stop fighting. Don't put your head through trauma. Just retire and smoke weed and sell weed and teach kids jujitsu and do the things you love. Yeah. The most recent other one, like this is an actual retirement, but going out on a pretty high note, especially losing a fight, it was Luke Rockhold. I mean, that was like, you would have loved. love to win, but, you know, losing a fight and then... See, that's okay, but he still lost the fight.

Right. But still, he went out about as good as you could get. Like a hard-fought fight. People, things people were saying about you heading into the fight. You answered a lot of those questions at altitude. And then you went out, had a great fight week, made a lot of headlines. And then you didn't win the fight, but you still went out at the right time. And honestly, like, we left that Luke Rockhold fight being like, listen,

If you want to come back for one more, like, let's go. Like, we'll watch the hell out of you. But at the same time, we're like, you know what? Good call. This is about as big of a moral victory as you can get heading out the door. I think the right time is the correct way to describe it. Like, sure, Nate can continue fighting. And if he needs the money, you know, to come back to the UFC and do it, it's a profession.

I understand it's prize fighting. But this is clearly the right time to be done with the UFC and with non-concern. and with non-Connor McGregor, M.MA. But, like, this is very obvious to the time to exit that. Completely agree. Boarding for Flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes.

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This was your guy. There talks about number one at Walter Wade. You thought at one point he was going to win three belts. He was going to win Walterweight, middleweight, and light heavyweight. And who knows, maybe there's a world where that does happen. But we both talked about it on the People's Pre Fight show. I talked it on the preview show. We felt like the way this week has gone, the way the MMA gods have decided to shine light.

upon things, that this was a setup for Hamzaa Chamaev to have a great start, look good, and then run out of steam, and Kevin Holland gets this massive win, and he goes on to fight for the welterweight title. That did not happen. The MA gods decided, listen, we can't, we can't give you everything. We got to keep it real at some point. And Hamzaa Chamaif, love them or hate him, no matter how you feel about him this week, Jed. this guy is a friggin killer.

That was unreal. I mean, just sitting there watching it. And Kevin Holland is doing everything in his power to try to get some sort of separation from this man and he couldn't do it. Like Kevin Hall, there is, I just, there's nothing he could do. That must have been the most frustrating thing in the world for him where he's like,

all right, I'm getting out of this. Nope. And then you have to realize at some point that you just got no chance here. What did you think of Hamzaa's performance? is this we said like this fight could end real quick or Kevin could do it but did you expect this if Humzat was going to win you're just going to do that Kevin wouldn't land a single strike this would be non-competitive I will preface everything by just coming out and saying hand up I was wrong hey I think I was doing a little bit of wish casting in there but uh super wrong couldn't

have been more incorrect on my fight prediction um It is not surprising to me that he did this. It is not what I thought would happen because I thought he was going to let his ego control him a little bit more, try and just slug it out with Kevin for a little bit, thought Kevin could maybe put up a little bit more of a defense on the ground. But none of that was the case. Apparently, you have to ride the fine line Gilbert Burns did of dragging him into a brawl by making it fun. Because if you piss this dude off, he is going to go about the most hyper-efficient way of beating the shit out of you as possible.

There ain't nothing else. He's the best wealth away on the planet. And that's, I know that a lot of people are going to hate that. I'm sure many people in the comments are going to be flaming the hell out of me for it. Most of the people on your staff are going to be mad because he was the best 180-pounder on the planet. Sure. All those things, that's fine. that we know that dude can make weight.

He didn't make it this time. I was very clear. I thought that he just wasn't giving a shit. And I still think that he came into this fight week, not being focused or prepared or anything because he thought he could walk through Nate. And yeah, apparently damn sure could have. But push comes to shove. I firmly believe he can make 170.

And I don't see a human being alive who can make 170 pounds. and is it going to fall under the windstorm that is him? We've never seen him. We have never seen him in MMA. And that's just the facts. You guys can hate him and a lot of people will and that's totally okay. I'm not even saying that I like him as a person or what he's done. He has blanked.

And when I say blanked, I mean like legitimately blanked. Kevin Holland did nothing. Actually statistically did zero things. landed in attempted zero strikes did nothing but get run over and this is not the first time he's done that i think kevin allen is a top 10 welterweight i also think liegean ling is like a top 15 20 welterweight he did it to him both he is doing this nobody has ever done this the closest thing that happened is francis and ghanu kept blowing people's heads off in 20 seconds he still at least got hit back.

Like this, this dude is something we've never seen. Like, we've just have never seen it. He is the best fighter in the world at 170 pounds. Really good chance. He is also the best fighter in the world at 185 pounds. And I,

that's, it all sucks. Everything about this week sucks. But it's, that's the truth, man. I don't know how else to put it. AK,

you are the Prince of Positivity. But if there's one thing that I know from, my best friend that will not bring out any positivity from you is not just a weight miss, but a big weight miss and then being unapologetic about said big weight miss. Jed has said what he has said, best welterweight in the world. Are you willing to say the same thing, especially from a guy who just missed weight by seven and a half pounds? I mean, no, definitely not. I can't do it.

And even then, even given what we've seen with Shma, even if he had made weight, I'm not ready to necessarily say he's better than Kamar Uzman, and better than Leon Edwards. Obviously, if I were a betting man, if I had to put money on it, I would pick Shamiya over both of them. But I'm also someone who's like, you know, I need to, I think you, I still believe in fighting your way up as far as rankings go. But yeah, hard to dispute.

The weight cut, the weight thing did really bother me because besides the insane amount, it did feel like he was aware that there was a 180 pound catchweight bout on there with Kevin Holland and down Rodriguez, him or his team or someone. And I'm not calling it's purely. I know there's a lot of questions of like, oh, did the UFC somehow orchestrate this last minute change? And I'm like, I'm not a fan of that theory only because it just, the hoops that they would have to jump through or force these guys to jump through or make it look like they're jumping through them. I don't know if it would serve its purpose. It did create some sort of buzz over the last 48 hours.

If there's no question, then if it had just originally been Nate Diaz, Ferguson, Shemaya of Holland and Rodriguez-Lee, no question. no question. If that had been the original booking, it would have been a better viewed, like peer view back when it was booked, but you still would have people going like, oh, no title fight, Diaz-Vorgasins for nothing.

You know, this still doesn't look like a strong paper view. So the fact that it fell into this was made it better received. That's what I think. Maybe I'm just speaking for myself and some of the reactions I've seen on social media,

but I do think the publicity helped. But I still don't think that it was helped to the point like that they would orchestrate such a thing. But back to Sherman, Shemayev, yeah, I think he was aware that even if he missed, he's like, oh, they will, they will find a fight for me. Like, I'm such a big deal that they won't take me off the card. I'm willing to jeopardize this fight with Nate Diaz.

So he blamed the doctors. Joe Rogan, to his credit, by the way, really kind of grilled Shemayev during the post-fight interview. Rogan was asked multiple times, like, what happened with the weight cut? and then you know shemai blamed the doctor he's like okay do you still think you can make 170 and then shemaya was assistant do you still think you can compete in two so maybe i don't know people were annoyed by rogan asking the question more than once but i thought for once rogan actually did a really good job with that so uh i will give him credit for that um because yeah yeah that was that was a good job it was what we all wanted to know it does this guy really really good with nate like i

I thought he was awful on commentary because I think he is really bad in commentary forever. He was really good in his post fights. He was best he's been in a really long time in his post fight. So shout to him. Yep, definitely, definitely give him credit for that. He actually has always kind of been good with interviewing fighters, to be honest. We can object to a lot of things about Joe Rogan's act. But interviewing fighters, he's pretty solid at it.

I would say it's one of his strengths for sure. But yeah, yeah, I'm not having a shaman missing weight. I'm not happy with him, you know, I'm, you know, F everybody, middle fingers to everybody. If he's leaning into the heel act, great. But he did the most important thing he had to do this week, which was he won his fight in just disgustingly emphatic fashion. That was the one thing we were all saying, like,

yo, this act is fine. But if you don't take care of business on Fight Night, this heat is going to turn to go away heat. I think with this win, he's still, now he has that I'm going to pay money. I want to see this guy lose heat. And in this business, in the combat sports business, that's just as good. if not better than being like an actually beloved fighter.

People paying money to want to see you to lose can take you a long way. Can we debate that for a second? About? I've heard that a lot and I'm not like genuinely. And please correct me if you guys have someone that I'm not thinking of. Because genuinely the only person I know who has pulled that off is Floyd Mayweather. I can't think of an MMA star that people like hated that they bought to watch get killed. It is always, people love

Ronda Rousey, people love Connor McGregor. I think there was elements of Rousey and McGregor where they had the best of both worlds. They had insane fandom. They also had people who wanted to pay money to possibly see them lose. I'm not nearly as confident that that has ever moved the needle in MMA. I

honestly really think Floyd Mayweather's like one of the very few people who's ever pulled off his entire thing being hate watching. Yeah, I mean, it is. I can't think of anyone in MMA that like that was their stick. I think it might work for Shama. Again, if he keeps performing like this, he has to keep performing like this.

And he also has to be maybe work on his heel work a little bit. I mean, just a whole F everything, not taking account of it. But like missing weight like by that much is that's a real thing. That's not something that you can just overcome. So I hope you're right, Jed, and that because I'm with you, I don't see why he can't make one same again, other than the fact that he's frigging enormous. But he's made it before. multiple but he's made it before mobile time so for now we treat this as an aberration but it does

feel like his future is at 185 possibly 205 but i do still want to see him compete at welterweight because i think as you said we're pretty confident he would give leon edwards or kamar guzman he would he would he would say he would run down the page i don't know that i'm not like leon i'm not going like Leon. He would throw that man on the case. I think Leon is a great fighter, very well-rounded. I would obviously pick Hamzat, but I don't, I'm not willing to say he would rinse Leon. Have some respect for the champ. Camaro is the one that is interesting just because he's given up one takedown his entire life. I'm also not sure that it matters. I mean, stylistically, definitely I would I would like Usman more than Edwards Shemaya of, but.

And let's be clear, he would have lost to that gilly from Nate today. Like, that was it. The Nate Gilly would have buried him. Stop it. So one thing we can say for sure is Shamiyev did have to win tonight. Do you even have a chance of this act working? He had to win tonight. He had to win tonight.

And he had to win the way he did. Did anybody, I'll start with you, Jed, because this is a big thing. People have been hitting me up on all different social media for the last two hours, probably. making sure that this is discussed on the post-fight show. Jed, did you have any issue with the beginning of that fight? A lot of people were kind of mad at Hamzot, maybe a fake glove touch of some kind. I was doing two things at once, essentially,

so I kind of missed that moment, but then I saw it on social media, and I saw some, like, different clips of it. I didn't really know how to feel about it, but some people were not happy about how that fight began. Did you have any issue with it at all? I was also doing two things at once, so I certainly didn't notice it in real time. I mostly don't care about it because the fight starts and you start fist fighting, man.

Like, I don't, they touched gloves at their come-together thing at the final announcements or the final instructions. Like, they bumped fists. You guys actively are not friends. You don't need to do a second glove touch. You did it. You're square. Go fight. also as is all all things ultimately is that's is that the thing like that that that feels like

you're just trying to be mad at him and there are a host of things to be mad at hom's out about so I don't need to fabricate one because whether or not he shot a second early after watching a performance where he literally blanked him literally I cannot stress this enough literally hung a trillion on that dude We're going to be like, well, the only reason is because he shot during a fake. No, it just was cool. Maybe it's a little dirtbaggy, but like he hangs out with warlords. Like that's much more dirtbaggy. Let's be upset about that, not about this really dumb thing.

Yeah. Like you said, the biggest thing, why is he even touching gloves the second time? Why? He should have been Jorge Mosvedolling that. He should have come out with a flying knee or spinning back fist, something. He should have come out just trying to take Hamzat's head off. Because just like, just like Mazadol did, you know, it was like the idea is, well, I might get taken down anyway. So I may as well go for high risk maneuver.

Like if the fight goes past the first minute, I'm probably getting taken down anyway. I may as well just open the fight with some gopher broke move that if I miss, guess what? I get taken down. So what that's going to happen. That's what Holland should have did. Why go through the glove? I don't know. Yeah, it made no sense.

He should have come out just trying to take Shemayo's head off. Fight probably ends up the same way for being honest. That's probably another reason why I'm not super. Probably. Probably, probably. Come on. That's why I'm not invested in this disposed of the controversy.

They're like, oh, he wouldn't have taken him down if he hadn't surprised him. Come on. Come on. Let's be here. Second thing, oh, I wanted to add, we have one guy, by the way, Chad. That actually kind of reminds me of Shamiyev.

And he fought in this card. And I don't know if we're going to talk about him more, but that child to Nameda, holy crap. I don't know. Maybe it's because he doesn't have that kind of explosive ferocity of Shemaiah, but he has that same, like, I'm getting you down. And when you're down,

you're down, dead. Like, holy crap. Like, yes. Yeah. But he's in that,

he's in that stage. The only issue is that he's fighting awful people. Yeah, but I'm saying that's where Shamaa was. But I mean, yeah. But I mean, yeah.

But I mean, he's right there. Right? He's at the same start. The three and no start against questionable competition. Let's see if he can do the same. But yeah, Shemaya is in advance for it to him.

But like stylistically and how they finish fights in the ground. Like, Amata is right up there. Amid is a friggin freak. I mean, he has a lot of potential to be the next big thing. I would pick him to be a good chunk of top 10 heavyweights right now. And light heavyweight. And light heavy weights.

Pick them, pick a division. I'm pulling up my rankings right now to see where I'm going to saw this dude. At heavyweight. Yeah, he's a heavyweight for JLton. I mean, I put him at heavy weight and he'll just, he will torch all of these human beings to lay heavy. and most of these human beings at heavyweight. Yeah.

Yeah, that dude has a lot of potential to be something very, very similar. Also, not for nothing. Body beautiful, baby, looks great getting off the bus. First team getting off the bus. Yep. There you go. A couple of things. We'll go to the P's.

We'll go to Jed's. I know a lot of you are waiting for the Jedmishu Social Gloves review. We'll get to that in a moment. but aka you are a resident robbery reviewer oh yeah liegeing leong that poor guy has drawn the short straw in pretty much every scenario this week and here he is again most people feel like listen

i was watching multiple things because i was doing multiple things tonight i was covering the bkfc card and watching the ufc at the same time so did i watch that fight like 100% closely no but just judging by the reaction on social media, MA decisions and whatnot, feels like even Dana White said he felt Lee won the fight.

Will there be a robbery review for this one? Yeah, I think I have to, but if only to, a spoiler, if only to dismiss this, like, chatter that it was a robbery. Like, it wasn't, it was a close fight. If you had it for Li Jinglang, I don't blame you. That's not a robbery. I don't know how many times I tell people like, like a robbery has to be like,

overwhelming. Like, again, there's very few actual robberies in U.S. history. Diego Sanchez, Ross Pearson, that's a robbery. We're not putting this in the same category. There's no minor robberies because by definition a robbery has to be like an egregious and severely missed call. The first round in this fight was close. It was close. I don't know if people, like, if you think Lee won all three rounds, you're insane. You're insane. Daniel Rodriguez clearly won the third round. Shots fired at Drake Riggs. Lee Jinglein clearly won the second round.

The first round was really, really close. And I will say this is also an example of stats, which I do bring up when doing rivalry reviews, but only, again, just to provide every angle. Stats can be very deceiving because, so Lee, if you thought he won the first round, fine, significant strikes, 2720. Dan Rodriguez won the significant strike battle 3424 in round two. There's actually the biggest deficit of the entire fight, but I don't think anyone should score round two for Rodriguez,

though one of the judges did, which is not great. And then round three, Rodriguez also outstruck Lee Jingleang. But again, I would have scored round one for Rodriguez, which Jing Liang outstruck him in, and I would have scored round two for Lee, which Rodriguez outstruck him in. So the stats don't tell the whole story. It was not...

Lee was doing more. I could tell us if I was watching the fight, And I'm like, oh, okay. I was watching very closely. And I'm like, I know why people were scoring for Lee. He's looking smooth in there. He's very quick. He's the more active fighter.

He's doing more. Anyone watching the fight is like, oh, he's doing more. Darren Rodriguez has a very methodical style. It wasn't just this fight. If you've seen any of his fights, he's very methodical, super technical. He's one of those guys who he's slipping punches when it looks like he's getting hit. He's not really getting hit. But if you're only kind of watch it, if you're just watching who's busier,

oh, 3027 Lee, he's doing. he's doing more. If you're watching necessarily who's landing like the cleaner shots, Lee had some for sure. Dan Rodriguez had a lot of clean headshots. And if you look at forget significant strike numbers, if you want to think of the stat that matters, headshots, big advantage for Dan Rodriguez. And headshots are generally regarded as being more significant when we're talking about what matters when trying to finish a fight.

So again, I don't mind people scoring for Lee for sure that round one could have gone to Lee. Round two, definitely for Lee. There you go. There's your 29, 28 score for the leech. but it was a really competitive, a very fun fight too. I don't know why the crowd was booing. And if you think it's a robbery, I'm sorry, you don't know what a robbery is.

So I will probably do a robbery review if only to remind people like, it's okay. It can be a close fight and you can disagree. That doesn't make, not every fight you disagree with is a robbery. Please, enough, enough. This robbery talks, ridiculous. Well said, A.K., nicely done. Big shout out to Arrini Aldana as well. Go ahead.

The problem is that MMA fans don't know. what a jab looks like because nobody has one in the sport. Yeah. And Danny Rodriguez was just jabbing the hell out of Lee. Like I'm fine if you scored the fight for Lee. Like I. Yeah, for sure. I have totally in agreement with AK.

It can go either way. I actually do think that Rodriguez has an argument to win the second round, though I didn't personally score it that way for him. I thought he landed the jab a shitload, which the numbers apparently backed that up, whereas I thought Lee was, Lee was swinging a lot harder, but he also was missing a lot harder. I mean, you broke it down well.

He did more, but he wasn't as effective I did not feel. But if you scored it for Lee, I've absolutely no problem with that. But like, I just, I think if anyone rewatches it, especially without commentary on it's just like,

oh, yeah, Danny Rodriguez hits him a lot because he has a very good jam. And that was exactly what it was. Yeah. He was landing. again, he was landing some really big shots to the head too. Again, people watch the fight again, watch the fight again, and watch who's landing the more of the head shots in round one,

the cleaner head shots in round one. It's Daniel Rodriguez. But Lee was doing amazing leg kicks, great work to the body, so he deserves credit for that too. But as Mike said, I think... I mean, also Friday could do 10 pounds heavier than him, so hell yeah, to you. Sure. He deserves a lot of credit for a lot of things. As Mike said, we all, we wanted Li Jing Lang to win.

We wanted him to get something this week because he was going to show it with the press conference in a fine suit and get to show his personnel. He's got a great personnel. This is a huge stage for him. He was supposed to fight Tony Ferguson. A lot of fans didn't care about that fight, but Li Jing Lang was so enthusiastic. I get to fight a legend. I get to fight a legend.

He was so happy. He was the co-main event. And then within 48 hours, he loses the co-main event spot. He loses his fight with Tony Ferguson. He gets a fight against the guys, you guys said, almost nine pounds heavier than him. So I think people watching the fight were all kind of like the fact that he was doing so well. people you know it's one of those things i think that played a huge role yeah oh he's doing well he must be winning uh and you don't want 10 pounds less and he's being very competitive yeah i get it i get it

we have narratives who want we have fighters who want to see win i would have been happy to see liegeing liang win but he didn't like dominate that fight it was it was a super super close fight down rodriguez is a great fighter um and and i thought i thought rodriguez won but there's nothing wrong with scoring for lee but guys guess what when the fight's that close it's not a robbery it's not how robberies work. I was a little surprised he did win, though. I would have just thought that the judges would have more recognized what Lee was doing because it looked more impressive.

So it was a little surprised he got the nod on the cards. Yeah. And Nate put Lee over big at the press conference, which is really nice of him. Even when he was asked about the negotiations, he was like, I don't think the UFC would have, like, I don't think it really had a choice. I kind of had to fight with where I was at. But the one thing he did say is that they wouldn't. They wouldn't let him fight Li Jing Liang because I think, and they put him over for the suit.

And basically just said the dude drew the short straw an awful lot this week. So credit to Li Jing Liang, credit to DROD. Go ahead, Jed. Can I make a request of you two? So tomorrow in just a few hours, a great program is going to be taking place live on the NBA Fighting YouTube channel called On to the Next one that both of you gentlemen, host. I know that traditionally you don't matchmake for losing fighters, but I would love for you to matchmake for the leech for me because we are. We are. Well, we're doing. Don't worry about it. Oh, yeah. Then great. Of course. That's all I wanted. Because he's obviously getting a good fight. He's

not getting a lost fight, you know, so he's getting some he's getting served something up. I'd love to hear what would be a good matchup for him. Yeah, I got I got some fun. I have a great one in mind just a tremendous one thought about it already i think i i hit the nail on the head jed i think you're going to be very happy with what i went with but uh... arine oh by the way but oh sorry by the way mike someone just commented chanels has commented oh leisheng was also going forward a lot more okay i stand corrected oh sorry oh he was i don't even think that's true no no i think he was but yeah that's how fight because that's how fights were decided that's how fight 30 20 34 for lee i retract yeah i retract all mike i retract my uh my breakdown that i just gave her this fight uh to whoever

was the commented. I shouldn't even, I'm sorry, it's late at night. I shouldn't even acknowledge to some of these comments. Oh, yeah, he was coming forward a lot more. That's how fights were scored. So good job. Good job. Good job everyone calling it a robber on that basis. All right. Let's move forward because I do. I want to get to what everybody's here for. First of all, shout out Rini Aldana. That finish was insane. It'll be interesting to see where she goes from there. Johnny Walker shut up a lot of people, myself included. Hand up. I was wrong, Johnny. I think a lot of us are wrong. John Kavanaugh, I'm so sorry.

I don't know why you blocked me because I've literally never tweeted at you, but I'm sorry I was wrong. You aren't boring and ineffectual Greg Jackson, my bad. There you go. We mentioned Jelton Almeida. Outstanding performance. Dude, just an absolute killer.

Chris Barnett, I mean, right here. Come on, we got to talk about Huggy Bear. We got to talk about Huggy Bear. Wax, poetic, before we go to the Social Glover review. What a hero. Just what an answer. some peach of a human being. Like, I don't, I've never,

there were like four things that happened in this fight card that I've never seen. I've never seen the UFC take an L like they did with Nate this whole week. I've never seen anybody do a liver kick from the bottom to a heel kick to the liver to get chaos. And I have never seen a man whose face stopped working. I'm not trying to be glib about this

legitimately when they were talking about like, maybe there's a nerve issue. His whole left eye and left side of the face really appeared to no longer function. And I am astonished the doctor let him fight. I thought for certain that that was going to be done. And then he was just like, that's cool. I'm still going to win. And then gave one of the best post-by speeches in history.

And it's not like he even said anything all that sped. It wasn't like an iconic, my balls is hot. Or Connor McGregor, you're taking everything I work for. Like it was just sort of the traditional respect to my opponent. Jake's great guy. Love you fans. But the way he does everything is with his full heart. And it makes you believe in him and yourself and in good things happening.

Like at the end of that speech, I would have run through a wall for that dude. And I feel like I wasn't in the arena, but I'd be really shocked that the entire arena wasn't with me for that. So Kirby Smart, my man's, you know, Georgia boy. Let's get him on game day for the SEC championship. Bring him in before the game. Get the troops fired up because that dude is a light of life in a way that like nobody in MMA is for damn sure. And very few people are in the world.

Like he was just awesome. The whole fight week, I want, I would protect him at all costs. Protect Huggy Bear at all costs. I have a feeling. Yeah. feeling he will probably be a unanimous wild card pick on onto the next one tomorrow.

But who knows? I think a lot of people will be doing some matchmaking for I don't want him to ever fight anybody good. Yeah, he might not be a wild card pick because I'm just like, whatever. Bring back Rocky Martinez. Bring back Rocky Martinez. Please. How do they not make that?

Oh my God. How did they not do that? Jesus. But thank you for bringing Chris Burnett up, Mike, because now I'm immediately in a good mood again. That whole Robert review discussion got be crusty. I'm happy again. I was emotional. Like I was, for multiple reasons. I may have, well, hypothetically put a wager on Chris Brunette. I'm not saying I did, but if I were the wagering type, I may have put money on Chris Brunette. I'm not saying I did. So did I and everyone who listened to No Betts Bard and who read my gambling column this week because it was categorically insane that Jake Collier

was a minus 400 favorite against anybody. I was like, I like Jake Collier. Someone and I did the, people know, I write the prediction. Someone in the comments was like, L.O.L. You lost all your credibility or something when you picked Barnett to be Collier. And I'm like, is Jake Collier like Francis and Gondon? Like, where did this? And I like Jay Collier, but like, where did this come from?

That he's like, and of course, as I was watching the fight, like he was, let's be straight. He was beating Chris Barnett's ass in round one. I mean, let's not, let's call it what it is. He was beating Chris Barnett's ass. But once Chris Barnett made it out of the first, I was kind of like, oh, I could feel something brewing. They probably should have stopped that fight in between,

rounds. I'm honest to you. The doctor was literally holding his eye open. Can you see? Hold on. Let me help you. Let me open up your bruised eye for you. Can you see now?

Okay, you're good. The fight can continue. I was like, is that normal? Is that okay? But thank God that doctor did what he did and let Chris Burnett continue because we got a magical moment. One of the best moments of the year. Chris Burnett, yeah, man, dealing with so much, such a personal tragedy early this year,

losing his wife. And the guy is fun. and magical under the best circumstances. This was fighting under like a tough circumstance. And it was somehow even more, I hope for him, even more rewarding. I hope he's happy. I hope he's fine, some peace. And I hope he knows that the joy he brought to the rest of us with the wind, the speech,

the celebration, the double fisting the beer after. This is why we, this is why you watch Combat Sports, man. I don't care, like I said, I don't care about the titles. I don't care about the drama. It's just weird, stupid fights like this. And credit the Jake Collier as well, because I thought he did great in this fight. So I love Chris Burnett. I love Jay Collier.

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It flew by. There were a ton of finishes. Joe Riggs was actually looking real good, dropped Josh Dyer real quick, and then there was an accidental headbutt, stop that. fight and then Britt and Hart put on a freak clinic and became a champion. But it was a fun card. It went by super fast. I enjoyed it.

I don't think I could say the same for social gloves. But Jed, quick review. You sure can't say it. How was it? Super fast. Holy shit, man. This thing literally wrapped up moments before we got on for this. Like at the same time the UFC presser was wrapping, that's when social gloves

wrapped up. and it was fine. Let's be real. The main event was actually really, really fun. I don't know who Austin McBroom is outside of what I learned for covering this. The same with Anns and Gibb, but they put on a really fun fight. Like, it was back and forth. Like, honestly, if you guys didn't watch it and it's posted somewhere, it's actively worth your time to go see

because it's not super high level, but McBroom is clearly more athletic. He's bigger. He's got some natural advantages, but less skilled. But those advantages carry a lot more weight, especially early on in professional fight careers. So he drops Gibb in the first round.

He's kind of cruising pretty conveniently. And then he loses the plot because he doesn't have a lot of experience. And then Gib hurts him and then Gibb puts the hammer down. And I think there were like five or six knockdowns. down's total in the three or four-round, I guess it was a four-round fight. So honestly, really back and forth, pretty fun, especially given what it was. All the rest of the fights were bad, just straight up either just not very good fights to watch even.

The Adrian Peterson-Levion Bell running back matchup was okay. I mean, it's pretty boring to watch because not a lot happens. is an exhibition bout between two dudes who do not know a lot about boxing. Leviant Bell clearly knew a little bit more. And Adrian Peterson did well for a guy who took this up seriously, fairly recently, and is really athletic, obviously. But, you know, they moved okay. They just don't have the commensurate skills.

Levy and Bell does finish the fight with a pretty nice right hand. But other than that, they're mostly just poking and kind of. of feeling their way through it. All of the undercard ballots were like, you don't care because they're not even famous people. It's like actual amy boxers. But they at least delivered some finishes, albeit not the most interesting ones. And then, oh, Nick Young didn't fight Blueface and was extremely Nick Young.

He honestly, the most Nick Young performance. If you just think of who Nick Young was as a basketball. ball player and pick that up and put that into a boxing ring, you nailed it. He flashed some really good things. He also acted like a total moron and did some horrifically bad things. He also then ultimately, because it's an exhibition, all the exhibitions didn't have like official winners and losers. Like Leveon Bell didn't actually beat Aegean Peterson even though he knocked him out because

it's an exhibition. Nick Young didn't officially lose, though he functionally just quickly. quit the fight and fell through the ropes. But then at the end of it, like, it was the most Nick Young thing ever. He did a good thing. Then he got tired and didn't want to do it anymore. And so they did a bad thing and lost. And then the post-fight interview was just like, actually, I won.

I'm a hero. And the most Nick Young way you could possibly go about it. It's like, actually, yeah, I'm one and oh, baby. I'll do boxing and get cool. Let's go. Like, it was two with T. what that man is about his whole life. And God, I respect you.

So have you pee? Because live your truth, baby. So yeah, honestly, not the worst night of fights. They timed it all really well because all the big fights at the UFC happened before the NFL fight. So, like, I didn't really care about the undercard stuff. I could watch that in passing while focusing on the real fight. So it'd be cooler if it didn't finish at 3 a.m. or whatever, but it's fine.

All right. Thank you, Jedmishu for the first. And who knows, maybe the first of a long series of social club reviews. Oh, I mean, we're going to be in this game for sure. This is my corner now. I'm standing on it. You can go to mhmapfinding.com website and you can see that Adrian Peterson, K.O. It is up there. You can also read my live blog of the main event. We've also got main event highlights on nymapfine.com great website. So if I tantalized you with my words of whatever appeal, go to MnibFindon.com. Great website and you can see for yourself exactly what happened. Oh, man.

Let's go to the peeps. I'm sure the peeps are just dying to get in here, probably to talk about social gloves. But let's get into this thing. Let's take a few questions. I will say when they inevitably do an insin-gib versus, like Jake Paul or whatever, that's actually going to be like pretty good, bad boxing.

Because both of them have some skills. Jake Paul is much bigger than him. But, oh, and shouts to Austin McBroom. Is that dude can't box for shit? But he continued to get up after getting floored actually four or five times. He kept trying to fight. Cannot question the man's heart.

Can question his corner for allowing that to happen to him a bunch, though. That was really, really bad. And by the way, let me, sorry, not to just going completely off topic before we get to questions. Let me just say so far, guys, this show, I'm glad I was able to hop on because it has been a pleasure, man. Let me just say it has been a pleasure man. Before I forget to mention it, it's been a pleasure, man. Shout us to Anton Tikali. That feels like two shows ago that we were talking about the pleasure man.

But I was going to sign off with this and I probably still will, but I just wanted to say it before. My goodness. Takali didn't get blanked, so we're clear. Almeida almost blanked him and has blanked two opponents in the UFC this far, but Takali did land one strike. Did Hamza land, did Hamza even, were there any strikes even thrown in that fight? Well, let me pull up the officials. I don't think Hamzot even did.

Oh, Hamzat officially threw one significant strike that did not land, landed one total strike of two. So, I mean, I'm not even. I'm spinning this. Kevin Holland just fought Hamza and then get one strike landed on him. That's a great performance from Kevin Holland. He did fight him without getting a strike landed on him. Unfortunately, he did not win. Well, maybe counting that. Yeah, I mean, detail. Did Demi and Maya ever pull that off?

I know that was like his functional dream was to win a fight without ever actually hitting a person. I think he did actually. three times. When was the last time that's happened? No strike landed in a victory. It has to be Demi and I'm about to look it up. Damien Maya. Oh, no strikes landed?

I don't remember a strike being landed. Damien Ma'amia beat Lyman good without landing any strikes. Okay, that's what I thought. Yeah, I know there was one, like in a semi-recent, I remember. So Hamzot has at least tied that. When Ronda beat Katzangano, was there a strike landed? There had to have been because there was a clash. But I looked that up while we go to the peeps.

I think maybe Ron. Let's go to the beeps. Yeah, all right, all right, to the beeps. To the peeps. Oh, no, Katzsingano had zero strikes case. Good call. Damn. Also strike force challengers, but Sarah Delio.

She had zero strikes landed as well. Interesting. Shout out to AK, first of all. No, hypothetically, if I were gambling, I would have bet on Barnett to win and Daniel Rodriguez to win by decision. But I don't gamble. I'm not proud of anything I've ever done. But I don't gamble. These are strictly hypotheticals.

So how much did you hypothetically win tonight? I mean, I just came out of the positive, let's put that way, hypothetically. Wow. Wow. Hypothetically positive is all you're ever looking for, baby. That's my Joe Rogan question. Actually, maybe the most, as far as title shots, probably the most important fight of the night.

I'll ask you about this, Jed, because AK and I will talk about this tomorrow. I sort of mentioned on the, I have an idea for Arenae. It will not be Amanan Nunes next. But what do you think, Jed? Are we doing Aldana Nunes? Yeah, I don't think so either.

I mean, are we treating this as featherweight? Is that their general plan? Like, I don't, maybe if Nunes just wants to fight her featherweight next, I guess Aldana's front and center for that, but like, Calumvir exists, and Kellevier deserves to fight for the belt. She should certainly be next to the Bannibalite title, and that should be the next for Nunes. And don't mean any disrespect at all to Adela,

because great win, never seen that knockout before. It will be in my final five for Kio of the year. Because anytime you do something that has literally never happened before, you deserve some shine for it. Did she get a bonus? Yes, she did. Yes. Hey, dope.

I honestly would not have bet that she would have gotten a bonus for that because it wasn't flashy because it felt weird the way it ended awkwardly. But glad she did dope. She also, it's the same thing we talk about when I, used to do this great article series on MMA fighting called Miss Fist before somebody kicked me out of it. No names named. And we would talk about how all these incredibly dope things happened, not in the UFC, as far as finishes and chaos and submissions. But they never made the end of the year list because they happened against nine to fiveers at a smoker in the Midwest or whatever.

Same thing plays here. Like Danielle Wolf is not a real fist fighter. She was at one point a real boxer, and she has two professional MMA fights now, and hasn't looked especially good in either of them. So I just, you don't get a title fight off of this one. That's not Adonis's fault, certainly, but it's just the way that cookie crumbles, especially with Ketland I think you're getting two fights mixed up. Oh, I am.

I'm totally getting them mixed up. Yeah. A few months. Oh, yeah. Also, it's Macy Chasing. and you don't get shit for beating Macy Chaston. And Norman Dumont's not getting a title shot either. Let me just throw that out.

No, she better. She's not going to get a title shot either. Yeah, Mace Chast just beat Norman Dumont before this. At 45. Forgive me. I'm confident the comments are obliterating me right now. I deserve it. Come at me.

It's also 4 a.m. Yeah, I'll give you that one. Yeah, no, I haven't, I'm not as resolute in my pick yet. I know Mike's already made his for on to the next one. But yeah, the other problem is it wasn't just that whatever, who she beat or that it was like a weird catch weight. Though Al-Dana, by all accounts, was on her way to making at least 136. She stopped cutting weight because apparently it was on just inside that they were like, oh, we're not going to make. That was simply so the fight can happen.

Yeah. Yeah, they really did them a courtesy, if anything. But also just Al-DNA, unfortunately, he's had bad luck getting in the cage. She was supposed to fight GDR, Matt at Square Garden last year. probably whoever won that fight would have gotten a title fight. You either had GDR Nunes 2 or you would have had El Dana would have gotten the title shot. And then she was supposed to fight Aspen Lad earlier this year. That wouldn't have been, I don't think that would have been for a teloshot,

but it would have kept El Dana. If she had won that fight and then won this fight, then maybe we're talking about it. But she's just been out of action. I think it's like 420-something days. So she just has no currency whatsoever with the fans, even though she has like a really fun style. And as you think so

Not right now Like your average fan The American fan or in Mexico I think she's got a little more now Sure if you want to go Mexico sure She has multiple fight bonuses I would I'm down for I think Adonna definitely deserves a title shot

But if she doesn't get one I would love Aldana rematch with Caitlin Vieer Yeah oh I'd like that too Yeah she has the resume for it But it's hard when She's been out You just put out for a while Why I can't

Adonna knocked out Caitlin Vier Yeah but Can I just be a Holly Hall of Missia Tate. Yeah, and I didn't. Misha Tate is good. And I'm sure. I'm not Holly Home 1. I agree.

Yeah, it's hard to get a title shot. It's very close, but you beat the two biggest names that aren't Ronda Rousey in the history of the division functionally, I guess Nunes. Like, you just, she's just getting the title fight. Listen, it's, trust me what I tell you. I'm giving Arrini Aldana a great fight. Yeah. A fight she's not going to say no to.

I didn't know there were great fights in the band-way division. For her. I think I thought, I think, I thought, I think she's different, yeah. Pena, we do in Pena? So here's the, here, I don't want to make that, spoil it. So here's the problem with, here's one of the problems on it. So she was white hot in 2019.

I think she went three and one. And then 20, she fights once in 2020, loses to Holly home, pretty convincing. She fights once in 2021, TKO of Yvian Kunay, but she missed weight pretty really badly. and now she's so far as only fought once in 2022. And it was a, you know, again, very good win against Macy Chesson. But that is a really difficult sell for the fans and for the UFC.

Three fights in three years. Two wins. One of them she missed weight. Look at a resume. She's ruling the roost at 140 pounds because she's got 440-pound catch weights. 4-0. She is the 140-pound champion. Screw all this.

Let's have 160. 65 pound division. Give us a women's 140 because Arena Aldana champion uncrowned, baby. Dominate. I love it. I love it. I know two you gentlemen are going to skip this one, but this is for Mr. Michoud. This is so easy, by the way.

But go ahead, Jen. It's so easy. All right. Let me pull up some things to that. I'm sure this is easy. You guys are professionals. You do this every Sunday. You're the best in the business at it.

Kevin Holland. I think even if you're just not going to throw it. Like, I actually haven't thought about it yet. So even without throwing out a specific name, like, I'm more wondering, like, his ceiling is so, it's so clear, I think. I just, I don't know. I would do Luke Day. Sure. That's just really fun.

It's just a really fun fight. I don't know if that's, like, good or bad matchmaking, but there's no way that fight doesn't rule ass. Yeah. My thing more is what's the ceiling for Holland? Because, like, I just don't think he ever gets to take down defense necessarily. And again, look, not just because it's Shamiya. If you not being able to not stop Shamiya take downs, it's not an indictment. It doesn't not make you the worst guy.

But I'll talk about at 185, which isn't even featuring the strongest wrestlers of that division. Yeah, he was giving up size. That's fine. But I don't think just coming down to welterweight solve some of the fundamental problems he has with take down defense. So I just don't think, I just don't think we take so little from this fight. because he was training for... I take nothing. He was training for Daniel Rodriguez. Sure.

He's also fighting the best world to either. I just don't think there's any world where he stops Shamiya's takedowns, though. I think he could have two years to prepare for Shamaio and not stop his takedown. Yeah, that's not that. He never wins that fight. That's not. No, what I'm saying is, and we have evidence at 185 that he counts off takedowns. So I, I'm just not...

No, we're talking about Walterway. We're not, I think we're calling that a higher-way class. That's fine. but if we're but I'm just saying like I don't have any evidence that he has any take down defense whatsoever no that's not that is not true he has take down the he just was facing he was facing a middleweight tonight that's all I honestly I think a bigger I think a bigger issue for him and this is going to sound a little bit stupid but I think it's true who he is as a person is going to be substantially

bigger capper to his ceiling what I mean by that is he wants to fight every other month and you just can't do that in high level in the name like Donald serony managed to work his way into one UFC title fight but honestly I was him high rolling because like if you fight five times a year you're just going to catch an L because it's incredibly difficult you're fighting that many times whereas one you know everybody else is fighting twice and they're spending six months gearing up and prepping for you and it's just like he is never going to want to sit still long enough to do what I think would be the necessary work to get to a title fight,

which I think would be kind of the upper limit of where he could be. And so I think that that's going to hold him back harder than any take down defense issues, may or not. Yeah. And by the way, good for him. If his job is to make as much money as possible in M.A., Kevin Holland is- He's killing it, man.

He is killing it. He's active. He was winning bonuses. I mean, this dude has probably made a lot more money in the two or three years. He's been in the UFC than a lot of fighters have made. I don't know. I listen to Dana White. I listen to Dana White's postmaster.

This is true. I mean, tell him, tell him what, yeah, tell him what Dana said, Casey. Tell him what Dana said,

Casey. We had a true. Yeah. Yeah, we all know what he meant to say. Yeah. Just, all right.

We know, we know what happened. Kevin Holland is doing it right. Like, I would, if I was a coach or whatever, I would just tell every fighter, fight as often as they will let you.

Yeah. Because you get more paychecks. And I genuinely like the most underrated aspect to star making is just visibility, which is mostly like the reason Hamzaa Chamaev is a star is a lot less because he's blowing the hell out of people than it is he fought three times in a month and everybody knew him because he fought so frequently. Kevin Holland fights a bunch and then also does superhero shit on the side so everybody knows him. But if you Irene Al-Dana and you're out for a year or whatever, like that just you can't build. Like Arnold Allen is one of the five best featherweights in the world. Nobody knows who the hell he is. He fights once every 18 months.

Like you should be doing the Kevin Holland thing if you're a young fighter. Maybe it is not the best way to get to a title fight, but it's the best way to maximize your value and make the most money in fight sports. Back to Hamzot. If he can make 170 easily, then why didn't he in the biggest fight he's been given to date? Jed, I'll let you just sort of reiterate what we've been taught. we've all sort of read on. Oh, I don't think he can make it easily at all.

I don't. Nobody said it is easy. It is not easily. Trust me. Trust me what I tell you. And I've said this a million times. I was in Jacksonville covering 273 when Hamzaa felt Gilbert Burns. And I stood next to this man.

I walked in the fighter hotel around to get a, to get coffee. And I just happened to like walk for a moment next to Hamzaa Tcha maif. And I was just like, holy shit. If Jose, like I said, like I said, I told Jose this. I'm like, if you told me that this guy was the best light heavyweight in the world and I had no idea who he was, I'd believe you that he was a 205er and he probably had a cut to get to 205. He's a giant. He is a freaking giant. He's huge. I don't think he can make it easily. I don't. I think he could if he was, I think if he stamped up the discipline and took it super seriously,

I think he could do it. But he's young enough. But those days where he's going to be able to make 170, every day that goes by that his nutrition's on on point, those days are fading away for sure. I don't believe, I don't believe he's a Walter. Right. I just don't believe he's water right. I think Anthony Johnson never missed, never missed weight, never missed weight at Walter White. He just, did he actually miss weight?

Oh, yeah. He consists of weight. I thought I thought he just died every time. And then he missed middleweight, I thought. But he definitely He definitely blew the middleweight once. Yeah, yeah. No, he missed, he missed

a, uh, well, to a least a couple of times. Okay. I agree. But see, here's it. Really badly, by the way. Really badly. Okay. But here's the thing.

Going back to Jacksonville, he made 170 on the nose for Jacksonville. And he looked fine. He didn't look sucked out. He was in good spirits, even like on the way cut because you saw the videos of him in Burns, like going to the same sort of place talking about it. And Hamza was one of the first people on the scale that day.

170 on the nose. Not 170 and a half. Not 171. He was 170 on the nose. And he looked, he didn't look destroyed. He wasn't like wobbling in there. He walked in full of energy and did it.

So maybe, because to Jed's point, what we've been talking about since is you, and I agree with you. He just didn't take Nate seriously at all. He just cruised in. He was like, I'm going to make a big bag.

And I'm going to crush this dude. and I'm going to go home. But taking Nate, not seriously, one thing, but you have to take the weight cut seriously. So what, what's, why do we think, why do we think he's going to? He should have, though. Why do we think he's going to? No, we're not saying. Because we have more evidence that he can make the weight than he can.

He can make it. He's missed one. This is the only time. Yeah, that's the only. That's the only. But I have saying is, I wouldn't be surprised either way. If he, if he never fought at 170 again, I wouldn't be surprised. If he made 170 for his next fight, I also would not be surprised.

So, like, I get to skepticism. People should be very skeptical that he can make 170 going forward. I totally understand that. But I'm saying there is a lot of evidence that he can make it. He's made it many, many, many times. I think he could have made 170 this, 171 this weekend. Like, because the part of weight cutting, like, we want weight cutting to be this happy thing where you're not killing yourself. A real part of weight cutting for a lot of the top athletes in the sport is just killing yourself, but not dying.

Like, I assume, I know all of us have. I assume many of the people watching have seen the videos of Chris Cyborg trying to cut to 140 or whatever. Yeah. Where it's haunting because she is literally murdering her body. That's all it is. And it's, I mean, there's a lot of science to killing yourself, but not dying. And like, I think he probably could have made 170. They didn't let him go any further because, like, yeah, this is where it gets really, really unhealthy.

And he shouldn't do that. but I think he could have made it, and I think that that probably, and he has never missed before. So fool me once, okay, that happens. If this becomes a recurring theme where he misses weight, sure, I do agree with you, Casey. He shouldn't be a welterweight. He is naturally much closer to middleweight, but that's not the game that is played by a lot of the very top, top fighters in the sport. This is true. It is true.

And he's also a very loyal guy to his coaches and his team. So if his coaches say, hey, I don't care what you think, you're a welterweight, that Hamza is going to say, yes, sir, I'm a welterweight, and I'm going to fight a welterweight. If they say, you know what, let's not kill yourself anymore, be a middleweight. You're a win away. Just go up to middleweight. You fight Bobby Knuckles, even though he kind of no-s sold that and had a lot of respect for Bobby Knuckles, which you thought was really cool, and it was a very fascinating part of his post-fight.

It's a tough fight, man. One win gets him a title shot. One win. Just go up there and fight top-five guy. you win, get a title fight. I'd love to see the wrong word of your fight. Fight not Bobby Knuckles. Fight Paula Costa because

that's fine. I win and that's a much, much more winnable fight and still will get you a title shot. Bobby Knuckles is a tough fight for anybody in the world. Even Israel, disson, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, Paul Costa would be a good one. And that would get him a title fight.

And if Paulo in the negotiations with him in the UFC do not go well since he only has one fight left in his deal, then Hamza can do what he was going. going to do for the UFC anyways, but just do it to a different guy. Send him off to the, which might actually be a good thing for Paulo, too, because he could lose the Shemayef and then he can hop on over to PFL and... I would watch the hell out of that fight. God, I would watch a hell out of that fight.

Maybe that's the one. Yeah, it seems to. I think the funniest one is Hamzot versus Colby, but I would watch that out of Hamzaat versus Paulo. I would watch, yeah. I mean... I'll watch him fight anybody's best fighter in the world. I don't care.

I guess it really depends on which we don't really know but like how does the UFC brass really feel about Hamzat how do they really feel about because like think about this paper view was set up to smack we just go back to the very beginning of the story this paper view was set up to smash Nate Diaz

and it 180ed on them so are they mad at him are they going to try to punish him are they going to force him to go 85 or are they just going to go we'll try 70 again if you screw up well, whatever. I guess,

and I don't see Dana, did you see Dana Scrum? He was just, he was in full Boulder mode, do its best for the team. Like, you could tell he wanted to say a lot of things.

That's what I mean, I'm not, yeah. Oh yeah, he's definitely annoyed. It's all Hamza. It's a hundred percent all on him. But he also understands

what he has with this guy, that he's just such a monster. And like, Jed said, there's, at this point, and I thought this in Jacksonville, too, even before they go with Burns fight, I don't think we've ever seen anything like this guy. I even asked it, like, have you ever seen anything like this? Like, we've seen, we've seen meteoric rises in different ways. Like, we saw Connor just go up real quick, but he wasn't doing what Hamzaa Shamaif is doing. Even, like, Habib, when he was on his run, was not doing what Hamzaat Shamaif is

doing right now. This is, this is very unique territory. And I don't think, like, the UFC really knows how to handle it because it's it's tough you have to weigh like the importance of different things because you have a very special talent here but you but he comes with a lot of baggage too so you gotta figure out

baggage and it's yeah that's the most polite way of saying it he's John Jones he's John Jones with weight issues yeah and well he has maybe less of the other substantial problems that John Jones has You move different powers.

Yeah. Yeah, there are different issues. You can't trust, you cannot fully trust him for something. So you always need to have a backup plan now. But he's, he's a prize, he's a horse. You let him run free. He's a prized colt. You don't put a bridle on that thing.

You just let him do. He's the best fighter in the world. And I don't say that lightly. I think people are being, think I'm being like really glib. But like, I, there are a handful of fighters that I've watched fight and just been like, yeah, that dude's the best. Like, I remember thinking the first time I saw Habib fight, Francis Inganu, John Jones, like there are special once-in-a-generation athletes.

You're just like, yeah, that dude's a problem. He's going to run through everybody. And that's who he is. And you can hate him. You have all sorts of issues. And you can not like him because he's a sociopath. Yeah, that's a whole other thing. That also just makes you better at a fighting probably.

Like, of the people I listed, at least one of them also fits that description. And many people believe he's the best fighter who has ever fist fought. Because shockingly, being a lunatic probably makes you better at cage fighting. Who could have imagined? I always joke, we mean Esther joke a bit. Like, we meet a fighter and they're really nice. We're like, oh, they're going to lose. Like, that dude's going to suck.

Yeah, they're going to suck. Yeah. It's terrible. Jonathan Gula. a great dude, awful. Like, it's just how it is. Like, you have to be mean to be an elite level fighter. And if you were an

actual psychopath, you're probably going to be awesome. Because your entire job is to physically and violently hurt humans. That's it. Like, if you, I feel like AK, you want to see it more. Cool. I totally respect not

thing he's there yet. But this dude's coming and there ain't nothing going to stop that. Like, it's just this is it. This is the world we're going to live in. Yeah, until he runs it to Shafcott. Yeah. I mean, I can't wait for that trilogy. That is going to be awesome.

Yeah. I just wish that you would line that up. Don't do it now. Just don't do it right now. No, that's all three for the belt, baby. Yeah. I completely agree. All right. You know they're going to get, you know they're going to get poor Lee Jing Leong,

Schofcott, and that would just crush my soul. I don't know. Lee's got to get something cool. No, I got something good for league. Also, Shafcott doesn't want me. No. Shavkot. Who the hell's going to fight that guy? Shafcott is going to fight the winner of Bala Muhammad and Sean Brady.

That's just, that's Shafcott. Because Tom's not probably getting Colby or a middleway fight. Yeah, maybe. Or the loser. Don't pick up the phone. I wouldn't pick up the phone for the next six months, Colby. Just pass. I mean, if you're going to, if that phone rings now, you probably take it.

Because who knows? Maybe he doesn't make the weight. And then maybe he fights somebody else. Pass. Jed, what did some of it? What do, how do we look back at the Burns fight then? Dude, Burns is so much better than I ever gave him credit for. Is it simply that? Is it, that fight?

I think it's a tougher style matchup to some extent. I do think a lot of the stuff we've talked about is that Hamzaa probably fought a little stupid at, at some point. But I think Byrd's just really damn good, man. And like that fight I- He has the threat of Jiu-Jitsu, which I think played like a you don't want to grab with him because it's real. And so it's like, all right, well, I'll just stand up with him. It's probably better for me. But like, actually, I probably was not a better choice for Hamzaat, but a dude's just awesome.

And I end up, I've never given that man credit his entire relative-to-weight run. I was wrong. I'm wrong a lot. I was definitely wrong on that one. A dude's pretty good. I still think he's a lightweight, but he's damn good. That fight is to Kamsat's credit. I know everyone looks at that.

I hated the narrative that that Al-Kamzao was exposed. Gilbert Burns is one of the top five welterweights in the world. Jed's right. He probably actually a lightweight, but, A, at 170, he's doing the damn thing. He became really close to being the dude to knock out Oosoo. I think he's a top five welterweight.

I've been, I would watch the Burns fight, and I know I'm going to. the outsider but I scored that I score that fight for burns sure but even even even yeah certainly is but even uh even like we want to see guys who will become future champions challenged that to me is a big deal so for shemaya like if he had trucked him yeah look that would be great too i mean that would have been stunning if he had like beaten gillard burns in like 90 seconds that would have been even more impressive but just under that is going three super hard rounds in a really dumb fight with a hard hitter like Burns

like that and won and still won and got away with the win whether you agree with the score or not officially was the winner it showed important stuff you have to the guys be tested yeah yeah you have show you had a lot of stuff all the sure all the John Jones one of his greatest tele events the first Gustafsson fight

did people think less of John Jones after the I would hope not I would think that that increased his like how how what a great champion people thought he was so there was nothing about the Burns fight that makes me think, like, oh, where, like, we've forgotten it. And, you know, just because of this performance, like, no, that that was a great fight that I think made told us a lot about Shemaya in a mostly positive way.

And this fight, other than missing weight, like a jackass, reinforced that, reinforce whatever we thought about his, his incage ability. So, yeah, people bring up the Brent fight as a, as like a knock against him is, always been strange to me. Yeah. That's not only a knock, but I'm just, it just, it happened. And just, you know, it's worth talking about, you know. That was actually, like, in a weird way. Like, it wasn't, it wasn't him just dump trucking Gilbert Burns.

But that was a kind of a terrifying experience for other welterweights because Gilbert Burns was hitting him with, I mean, he couldn't hit, he couldn't hit anybody else cleaner than he hit Hamzaa Tchamai. And Shamaif kept coming. That's frightening. And I know a lot of people, this is not exactly the same, but I remember that that last UFC London card when Mohamed Mahiath had that performance,

people were like, eh, not that great. I'm like, are you kidding me? Oh, I love that performance. If you're at 125 right now, that is the most terrifying fight you could possibly watch. You got to see this dude on not a great night. Just, he's like, okay, if I'm not having a great night and I'm not really feeling myself,

I'm just going to take you down 500 times and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Yeah. When you can win without your fastball, like that's the best thing in the sport. Yeah. I guess. Especially for long term, like, Anderson Silva is honestly criminally underrated in the goat

conversation because of the whole steroid stuff. He didn't have his fastball for his last, like, four title defenses. And looking back, you can just see, like, oh, yeah, he is faded. But he's getting the off-speed game going. And it's like everybody's going to have that fight. Homs out of the fight. I thought, same similar stuff. Like, the serial gone, him, New York, Rick, and I had an argument about this.

slack. It's like, I'm fading gone. I was like, why? Because Tuva hit it was like, yeah, I just think a little bit more toi Vasa. I now know that Zerogon can get punched in the face with the force of a Mack truck and not go unconscious. I took that too. Nobody's going to beat him in this division in two years. It's going to beat the hell out of every heavy weight that exists. So like, yeah, I'm totally with AK and K's all this is nothing but positives for in these sorts of performances. Yep. And because it is 4 a.m. where you gentlemen are, our last question will be. Can Mike bench you're 75 yet? No, I'm mixing things up right now. I did this morning because I was so

excited this morning that we weren't getting Hamzaa versus Nate and Lee versus Tony Ferguson that I went back and benched and tried to max. And I got to 250. 250 I got to today. So new PR on the run. I hadn't benched in a couple of weeks. COVID killed me. So you can't bench Chris Barnett. I cannot bench Chris Barnett. You can't even bench a super heavyweight. You can't even bench Chris Barnett.

What are we doing? I could bench. You can't bench Dale and the Pleasure Man. I could bench the pleasure man many times. And this has been a pleasure man again. Let me say again. This has been a pleasure, man. It's been a pleasure, man.

I can't say it enough. You can almost bench. What do you say, 250? I did $2.50 today for one. You can almost finish Alatang and Chad together. You're close. With the neighborhood. Just stack them up.

That's more than Chris Barnett. I think you could do Super Melly and at least read easily. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I didn't even think about that. Just curling straw weights. Yeah, I can see that. It really is a pleasure.

It really is a pleasure, man. Great job, A.K. Way to close the show. Always a pleasure, man. Always the pleasure, man. I got to say. That's your new tagline. All right.

Well, we are done. We have talked about this card a lot. And A.K., I will see you in six hours and 50 minutes, my man. My best friend in the whole wide world, matchmaking. On to the next one live here on this channel with all of you. We want your comments. We want your matchmaking ideas. We're going to throw them up on the screen.

It will probably agree with some of them. And no doo-do. Just don't do the do-do stuff. But for A.K., for Casey, for Jed. if you're not a no fan, you know what I mean. I am Mike Heck. Good night, everybody. Love you guys.

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