MMA Fighting - UFC 282 Post-Fight Show | Was Paddy Pimblett Gifted Win By the Judges?

Episode Date: December 11, 2022

Paddy Pimblett improved to 4-0 in the UFC on Saturday, but it has been met with quite a bit of controversy following UFC 282. MMA Fighting's Mike Heck, Jose Youngs, Shaun Al-Shatti, and Jed Meshew react to Pimblett's heavily debated decision win over Jared Gordon in the co-main event of the UFC's final pay-per-view of the year. Additionally, they discuss the main event between Jan Blachowicz and Magomed Anakaleav being scored a draw, Dana White revealing the Glover Teixeira will fight Jamahal Hill to crown a new champion at UFC 283, Dricus Du Plessis' finish of Darren Till, the breakout performance for Ilia Topuria, Raul Rosas Jr. impressing in his octagon debut, and more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Shaun Al-Shatti @ShaunAlShatti Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. What started as a fight card that was trending towards an A-plus, suddenly ended with an incomplete in a lot of people's minds, because controversy filled the co-main event, and then it filled the main event, because at the end of the night, we still do not have a light heavyweight champion of the Ultimate Fighting Championship,

a lot to discuss, a lot to break down, a lot to question, if we're being honest, and that's kind of been the theme of this entire weekend in the world of mixed martial arts. Welcome you to the UFC 282 live post-fight show. I am Mike Heck. We got Shaheed, Al-Shawkshaw. in the house. It's great to have him back in the fold.

We got Jed Mishu here. I'm sure a hot take. Chaos, baby. Let's go. I love this fight car. And on site right now, in the back, Mr. Jose Young. Jose, what an interesting night it was. You were there. You got to feel the atmosphere, hear the atmosphere, hear the crowd, all of it. when the night was over, what was your reaction to all of it?

With Patty, the way that fight ended with Jared Gordon, the decision, and then the main event ending in a draw, this whole thing was built towards, all right, we got to crown a light heavyweight champion by the end of the night, and guess what? We didn't. Well, I didn't get to hear much of the atmosphere at all. I was in the back of the media tent

from the first fight to the end of the fight. So I never stepped foot inside the Timel Arena. I'll tell you the atmosphere before the fight. was almost nothing. You guys have all covered fights at the T-Mobile Arena, and usually there's a line down the concourse waiting to get in. There was, how many fans you think lined up earlier? I'll give you each a guess.

Five. The answer is zero. There were zero people lined up outside waiting for the doors to open. So that was the hype before this fight. Obviously, it filled up pretty quick. I don't know if it was a sellout or not, but yeah, the vibe was in the media room. I'll tell you when they scored the paddy fight.

was like that make doesn't make sense but at the same time it makes sense because it's judge is going to judge especially a big patty pimple fight and then when they read the the score cards for the main event it was just it was kind of like humorous like laughter like of course of course because we we all made the joke like 48 47 magumet everyone right which probably means yon one like we were joking about the judges probably blowing it and this is we get. We have no light heavyweight champion in the world. So I'll say shocked, I guess, would be the good word for that.

Well, we'll break down the fights once we let you go, but Patty Pimbleau was just backstage speaking with the media and to nobody's surprise, and I don't think Patty can really handle this any other way at this point with how he was sort of been viewed throughout the build to this fight.

There were a lot of people. He's making a choice. I understand that. But, I mean, you can't just be like, well, maybe Jared did win the fight. You have to kind of just lean into all this at this point. But what kind of feeling did you get from Patty back there, Jose? I mean, you're in the room.

You're probably asking the man questions. It's almost like he's completed this full-on heel turn and he's eating it up and he's kind of just got to go with it at this point. That's kind of the vibe that I get from it. But what did you think of Patty's demeanor talking about him just being so confident that he won the fight and everything that he had to say tonight? Well, I get people, when you say Healdon, that makes it sound like it's a conscious decision that this is what he's doing, which I don't think is the case. I don't think Patty Pimberman.

I don't think any of you people think Patti Pimbley one, but I am 100% confident that Patty Pimbled believes Patty Pindler 1. And whether people disagree with that or not, I'm pretty confident when I say, I don't think he particularly care. So to him, it's not a hit turn. It's Patty, Patty, Patty being Patty. So this whole narrative of like Patty is doing it. his best job to become like hated and this and that. I don't think that's the case. I just think Patty is

doing Patty and people just disagree with it, including me. And if we're trying to read sort of demeanors in the room, Dana White had a lot to say at the post pipe press conference talking about the main event, talking about how Jared Gordon performed in the third round, and then

oh yeah, he drops a nugget that we're going to have a light heavyweight title fight at UFC 283 between Glover to Sherr and Jamal Hill. And I mentioned that during the watch party. I was like, yeah, they could just pull Jamal Hill out of the Anthony Smith fight, and we could do that. And sure enough, that's what we ended up doing.

And I wasn't even really serious about me even suggesting that. But that's what's happening at UFC 283. So any surprise or thoughts on how Dana reacted to the night's festivities and most notably the last two fights? Not surprised at all that he was bothered. Very surprised that he made this fight so quickly because we've all heard the phrase, I don't make fights once the fights are over. And I'm curious if he even told Glover and Sherer,

Jamal Hill, that this is what he was doing. It just seemed like he walked into the back and was like, hey, we should do this. And everyone was like, yeah, okay. And then he just decided on the spot. So not shocked. He was mad at how both fights played out. Very shocked he decided to make a fight because he never does that.

And even Jamal Hill was like, obviously, if Glover Shere was in the house, he's probably high-fied. I haven't got a chance to see him. But shocked he was this quick to make. make me fight, not shocks that he made. And then last thing, Jose, who stole the show for you tonight? Who stole the show?

I mean, a lot of people lean towards Ilya for that performance against Bryce Mitchell. But again, you're back there. You're hearing from these fighters at the end of the night. Raul Roses, Jr., obviously lived up to the expectations, probably exceeded them in a lot of ways. But which fighter do you think just stole the night and will be the most memorable thing

from the final pay-per-view of 2022? I'll tell you what, just based off, of YouTube and social analytics, the guy that stole the week or the show that especially tonight is Ilya, I mean, that, like, we have this, if you look at the back end of our YouTube page and Twitter, we can

see what countries are consuming our content. And obviously, the U.S. is massively high, and then you kind of get this bump, like when Habib or Islam fall, you get a lot of Russians, when Charles Oliver fights, you get a lot of Brazil. When Iliate's a Porta Fight Week, we got Spain, we got Mexico,

We got a lot of people in South America, and it was always on Ilias. Like, since until right this, obviously, Patty and Dana just wrapped, but Ilias has the most views on YouTube and social right now. Outside of Gordon Ryan, who was a guest fighter because he was talking about a lot of viral people on the internet. But Iliate Tuporia is kind of dominating our analytics right now, and there are a lot of people from Spain on our YouTube page right now. So I'm going to say just based off stats, it's Ilya Teporia, especially because Bryce Mitchell got a huge pop, and then I've ruined your early after. So Ilya, DDP, Drinkus duplesi, obviously got a big win.

He did say, at me today when he told me, he said, if Daryntill doesn't have an injury before this fight, he will after. And lo and behold, Darren Till says he believes he tore his ACL. So kudos to you, DDP, for predicting that right. Well, and kudos to you, Jose, for another job, well done covering another fight week, another UFC pay-per-view. Enjoy the rest of the night, my man. Safe travels back to Arizona.

We appreciate all the hard work and the boots on the ground, my man. Rest up and we'll see you next time. That's a wrap from 2022. I'll see you all in Perth. The Brazilian B is Guillermo Cruz. You can't, they can't see you. Kenny wants to say hi. Hi, Kenny.

Hi, Kenny. I, Kenny. Hi, Kenny. Love you, Kenny. Have a good end of the year. We all love you. Have fun, guys. You'll talk to Guillermo on site next.

Next time you'll see me on site. It'll be all the way in Perth, Australia. Arovoire. There is. Jose Young's. What a year this man has had. A lot of miles logged on the old travel books for Jose Young's this year. So, Shaheen Al-Shadi.

I mean, we haven't seen you in a while. We haven't seen you in quite some time. We haven't seen you quite some time. And you come back just in time for maybe the weirdest pay-per-view you've had in a long time. Because this frigging thing started off like a fireworks show, finish after finish after finish. Every fight was getting finished.

Even the Ponsonibio-Morono fight. We started to see the momentum of the card kind of slow down a little bit, which maybe isn't fair to Marono and Ponsonibu. Because that fight was actually, I think when we go back and watch it by itself, we're going to remember it a lot more fondly than the fight that followed the absolute chaos. That was DDP versus Darren Till. Ponzi gets the crazy knockout of the

end. And then we get the Patty shenanigans, the judging there. And this is following the Danny Sabatelo shenanigans, the 50-45 scorecard from Doug Crossy, who was one of the judges in the Patty Pimbleau fight. And then we get this crazy draw. What a time to come back, Sean. Is it not?

What a banner weekend for MMA judging. Oh, my goodness, fellas. Oh, what a weird night, Mike. Really, really weird night. You're right. I've been out for a month taking care of my newborn baby, a little bit of paternity leave. But now I'm back. And you know me.

I'm an agent of chaos. I love chaos. I'm here for any and all kind of chaos. M.A. chaos is the best kind of chaos. This was just a different level of chaos tonight. This was absolutely absurd by the end of it. 10 out of 10 finishes to start the night. I mean, we were rolling.

I'm going to be calling that guy a future champion forever. I know we're going to get to it. DDP having a statement win. Ponzi gets back into it. And then all of a sudden we get this Patty situation. And then obviously the main event follows as well. Dana White is just out here just throwing darts at the board, seeing what's sticking by the end of the night.

He didn't even seem to care about anything that happened in that main event. He admitted himself that he didn't really pay attention to it after a certain point, saying that he zoned out after the third round, which is funny because by the end of the third round, that was when the fight was actually getting interesting. So the whole, I don't know, this whole night was very incredibly bizarre. It feels like this has just been a very weird year to begin. with, right? Results all across the board this year have been very surprising, lots of upsets,

lots of just strange stuff in general, lots of injuries in main events and things like that. So this, in a weird way, feels fitting as a way to end 2020. You end it with the weirdest of all. But yeah, man, strange night. Strange, strange night. Leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Jed, there's chaos like DDP versus Darren Till. Like, that's fun chaos. We enjoy that kind of chaos. and then we get this other chaos, which I like to deem the WTF chaos, because that's what everybody said at the end of the night. After the last two fights, WTF, really?

And then we get the draw. And like Jose said, I think he described it perfectly. It was almost humorous. It was almost funny after what happened with the Patty Pinball fight. So did you say it's awesome? Is that what you're saying?

Why is it awesome? Please explain. Show your work. Because I thought I thought fight circus was next weekend, baby. And we're just here. we're making light heavyweight title fights on the fly just between between the cage to the press conference room saying it's just like eff it i'd go over in somebody just make it happen we need more

help for for brazil anyway let's just do it is this this is the best i had a great time tonight i did not we were you were not on the on the pre pre show the pre frie q and a with me and casey we were pretty down on this card. Casey and I both thought we were getting five decisions for all the main card fights. Much of the fights wouldn't be that compelling or interesting. And that like straight up, you could skip

this one. Didn't need to drop the 75 on it. If you did, I feel like I got my money's worth because the three fights were fun. Great outcomes. I'm always in it when Darren Till's getting beat. That always makes me happy. Bryce Mitchell too, same's.

And then the co-main event, I can finally just like hate Patty Pimbleau all the way. Like I don't have to feel conflicted. I can just be like, cool. Join the Michael Chandler and Steepin-Meich. It's just the world. And the main event was hilarious. Like it was just truly hilarious.

I also, this is a hot take and we can delve into this at whatever you want to. I don't think either of those decisions are bad. They're not robberies, maybe. Maybe they are bad or not good. But I don't think the decisions in the main event or the company, main event for my viewpoint are like indefensively bad and so it doesn't leave me this like well this is really unfortunate and I'm very angry it's just like well those are reasonable and this is the funniest outcome possible so I'm having a great time yeah I feel like you thrive in this

sort of chaos better than absolutely and I will because you just laugh at it you find you find ways to to laugh and enjoy it is objectively the main event ending in a draw is objectively hilarious because seven like two weeks ago this they were they were the co-main event for a de facto not even like a set hardcore established number one contender bout like just a the winner this is probably going to get it then then the ufc tries to backdoor glover because glover won't take a take a fight on you know 10 days notice or whatever with a totally new opponent and they will not move it to brazil and you know we get in the end, Glover, probably with an easier matchup in Brazil to fight for the vacant title. The UFC did this man wrong, and the MMA gods were just like, nah, homie, we got you. And now we get this. And it's the funniest. And you're talking to a man who had a future bet on Magerman Ancolaev to be the champion at the end of the world. So I lose that. I lose my side bet with Sean Alshadhi. Yes, you do. Pre-fight thing. I don't lose. I don't lose.

we split instead of me winning now as we both have this count to me this counts as a loss because you got your you you we assumed it was going to be a tie and then you got your false hopes up and then you were about to win and then you got i got my false hopes up you're hitting me up today being like this is garbage i can't believe i'm going to lose we all thought it and right up until the moment bruce buffer said 47 47 or whatever we all thought it we all thought it we all thought it And then this happened. This is objectively the funniest thing. And good for Glover.

Good for Jamal Hill. To even to add to what you were saying about Glover, because you're 100% right. Somehow that man got screwed the most out of all of this whole situation and then ended up kind of in the best spot. He ended up in the best spot of anybody. And the guy who actually low-key got screwed the most out of all of this now ends up being Yombo Kovitz.

Because if this was a three-round fight that it should have been, he may have obviously things. who knows how things play out if it's not a five round, three round, whatever. But the first three rounds we saw, he won two out of those three minimum, at minimum. And he looks very impressive in doing it. And he would have come away getting a win that I think very few of us would have been picking for him. He would have been next in line for a title shot.

And now who even knows where Yanbo Kovitz is? Because I'll tell you what, Mike Hack, and Jedmishu. I don't know, I've been in this industry a long time. I don't know that I can remember a UFC title that has felt more superfluous, more fake, more, you know, just like a show pony, a fake trophy to just be handed out right now, then whatever the hell this light heavyweight title is at this point. Because as I said, this just feels like they're just throwing blindfold darts at the board and just hoping that eventually something's going to stick. And it's just such, like, we were in such a cool place

with the Yuri Prohashka era. Like, we all enjoyed it so much that man is a maniac in the best possible way. He gave us the best light heavyweight tie to fight of all time. It's going to end up win in fight of the year. This year, spoiler alert for everybody who hasn't seen our awards yet. We haven't even voted on them, but I'll tell you what, that's going to win fight of the year. And now we're just left with this ridiculous mess that this division is just an absolute disaster.

Poor Anthony Smith found out live on television that the UFC had stripped away his fight for no reason. Just all of this is so strange, it's all so ridiculous. There is, though, there's just not, I cannot think of a belt that has been a phonier belt

than whatever this light heavyweight title is at this point. I'd like to, I'll see your claim, and maybe in the spirit of this, maybe it's not. Do you remember when Jermaine Durand to me was the featherweight champion of the UFC because Chris Cyborg didn't fit their timeline or whatever? That feels like the most fraudulent belt in history, unless you're going to do Nico Montaigneo being the flyweight champion. Somehow both of those are worse than this one. Somehow both of those still seem to pale in comparison, because if you just

go by the UFC's logic. Two men deserve to fight for this title coming into tonight. And now of a sudden, neither of those men deserve to fight for this title next month. So I don't know what we're talking about. No, one of them did deserve to fight. He just didn't want to fight. I was doing my rankings. I have Jamal Hill ranked 14th.

So this rules. He is ranked 14th in about to fight. And this is incredible. I love this so much. I'm so. And you're right. And you're 100% right, though. because Glover Descherra, like, it was looking pretty bleak for the idea of this man ever holding that belt again.

And I think he's probably going to be favored against Jamal Hill. For sure, going to be favored. Rightfully so. And he's probably going to win that fight in Brazil and have like this incredible, like, retirement moment going out on top amongst his countrymen. Like, what? I don't even understand how we got here, guys. Like, this is crazy. Who is luckier?

Who is luckier this year? Nate Diaz or Glover-Teshirea. because both of them did nothing wrong, looked like they were really about to catch the bad end of the UFC's vindictiveness. And now here we are, baby. This has been a great year for happy stories in this sport, man. Leon Edwards gets the comeback.

This nonsense happens. It rules. I just feel, I personally, I just feel bad for my boy, Jan Bakovitz. Because if you, like, can we just take a second to applaud? that man for the way he treated this whole situation because this dude was thrust into a very obviously uncomfortable, obviously just bizarre, odd, strange, whatever adjective you want to use situation at the end of that fight,

like Joe Rogan's up there basically trying to convince you that you lost the fight in front of all of us. And it's just, it's such a weird scene. And he was the most gracious he could have possibly been in that moment. He was the classiest he could have possibly been in that moment, telling him, hey, put the belt on, on Mago Med, all of this. And even afterwards, when our buddy Aaron Bronstetter tells him behind, like, backstage, hey, uh, started to break some news to you, but all of a sudden, these are the two guys now fighting for this title.

He just kind of laughed. It was kind of laughed. It was like, yeah, you know, this is, that's a, that's a good call. That's good for them. And it's just like, man, like, we don't deserve Yianbochovist. Dude walked out to the Skyron theme song. Like, if anybody deserves to be the light heavyweight champion right now, just generally of my world, it's Yombovokov's because that man handled all of this, like, this very insane, bizarre situation, incredibly classy, and as best as anybody possibly could have. Boarding for Flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes. Ugh, what? Sounds like Ojo time.

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See app for details. Such a weird month for the 205 Pond Division. We're awesome. We'll see what other hilarity could come at UFC 283, which will be here before you know it, gentlemen. But I think we have to address the big story, the one that everybody's talking about, the most trendy topic of UFC 282.

And Jed, you mentioned that both of these judge's decisions may not have been correct, but you didn't have a huge problem with either of them. And I'm talking about the big one, Patty Pimblit gets a unanimous decision win against Jared Gordon. And I got to tell you, outside of one person on MMA decisions

and Patty Pimbleau himself, I didn't see anybody score this fight for Patty Pimbleau. Anybody. And this could mean a, this could be just like the reverse Patty fade, where most people just like fade, fade Patty in fights because they just want to see him lose.

And maybe it's just their reaction to how Patty has been this week. And people just kind of turn it on them that were maybe on his side earlier. But I haven't seen one person besides, I think Dan Urban is his name. Don't want to call him up, but you can just go on and make decisions to see it. And Patty himself, who thought Patty beat Jared Gordon tonight? So explain why you feel like this scorecard, this ruling of the judges of Patty winning this fight, be unanimous decision is not just horrible like everybody else thinks it is. So one other person did score

The official MMA fighting score for that fight is in fact Two to one Patty Pimbleau. I personally, I scored a little bit differently when I'm doing live blogs Versus just how I would do because sometimes as I said on our other show Sometimes I get my bag and I'm feeling some type of way and I cook a little bit too much I try not to do that And I try mostly to score the way I think judges are going to see it Which is why I was really like we were talking about it off air

you guys apparently on the on the watch along were like very surprised and i was super not surprised by this outcome because i sort of anticipated i scored i was surprised by what the scorecards look like i gave the first round of jared gordon which i think any sensible adult who's watching the fist fight should score that round for jared gordon i know that that's not what two of the judges did but that that is pretty obvious i also and i gave uh the third round for patty and i felt pretty good about giving Patty the third round. And the second was the swing to me. And I think personally, if I was left to my druthers on how I want to score fights,

I'd probably score that fight like 30 to 28 for Jared Gordon. But based on kind of how the rules work, I think giving the second round to Patty's fine. I favor Jared Gordon's work that he did. But what realistically happened is Patty Leonard Garcia at his way to winning the judge's scorecard. And that's, it's not like Jared was doing such clear work that the second round was very obvious. And I don't agree with Dana White and a lot, though he said several things in that post fight, which I actually thought were pretty good. The one thing that I do like fundamentally agree with him, I don't know what the hell Jared Gordon was doing in that third, man. Like that was just an awful, awful strategy to do that and make the fight look like that.

So I think a 29, 28 patty is a totally reasonable scorecard. I very much disagree with Doug Crosby and I believe Ron McCarthy who gave the first round to Patty and so that's how that fight got that's how that happened. So the end result I think is defensible and not like it's maybe not good

but it's not that but it's fine like it's in the realm of acceptable outcomes but when you look at how it happened it's really bad for them to have scored the first round for Jared Gordon because that was I think pretty clearly for Jared Gordon. It's the clearest round of the entire fight.

It's not even close. And Sean, you're shaking your head. I really thought the third was equally as clear. That's the thing I'm surprised by. Sean, we're in the studio. And the only discussion we're having right now is, is this 3027 Gordon or is a 29, 28 Gordon? That's the only discrepancy.

Because that's literally the discussion we were having. And then when I heard all three judges scored 29, 28, I'm like, big win for Jared Gordon. Nice to see him get his moment. and then Bruce did the thing where he pointed Jared and I'm like, oh no, this is about to happen and then he does the pivot, Patty the best, I couldn't believe it.

So what do you have to say to what Jed said and just the overall scoring of this fight? Thank you, Mike Heck, for reintroducing reason into this show because Jed, I love you. I love you so much, my man. I consider us very good friends, but what the hell you do? No, that, like I don't use the word Rob, much. In fact, I very rarely use the word robbery. Like, that, that word is grievously overused

in combat sports, and in particular in M.A, where if any decision you don't like as a robbery, or like any close decision you don't like, people just call it a robbery. Fellas, that was a robbery. Like, that was a very clear robbery, and we all watched it, and I think it's pretty unanimous among most people who maybe are not Jed Patty or I forget the gentleman who scored it on MMA decisions for Patty. I'm sorry, Dan Urban, I think Mike said. I believe that's correct. Yeah, no, that was a robbery, guys. Like, that was just a straight up robbery. And, like, the fact that, like, wow, Doug Crosby had himself a hell of a weekend, right? Like, you're going to come in here, give me, get pull out a 50-45 for a lot of

many sabs and then come, come the very next day in a very different- lies across the country. Lies across the country. Different side of the country comes in and gets the 29, 28 for Pimble, like, that's, you had yourself a weekend, my friend. Cudos to you. If you were just going out there and do whatever you want. If only all of us could really get that leeway in our jobs to really just kind of do whatever we want because that sounds great. Yeah, no, man, like that was a very clear victory for Jared Gordon. And it was very clear the way in which it happened, right? I scored a 29, 28 for Jared Gordon.

First two rounds were pretty much all him. Patty did very little. Jared, the way he approached the third, I mean, I think it's fair to criticize, right? Like, you very much took off the gas. I felt like that was a very clear Patty round. the Jed you did get one thing right in that mentioning the way that crosbie and McCarthy both sort of arrived at their scores is also just like deeply troubling and puzzling where they gave Jared Gordon round three of like all the of all the rounds that was the

round he won I just don't understand anything about what we saw see no that that actually feels consistent for crosbie because crosbie gave gave Danny sabatello all five rounds so Jared Gordon a hugging pimbleit like had he thought about it, he'd be like, shit, Crosby's judging, I should just hold him the whole fight. I'll get all of the rounds this way. That is actually at least consistent from him, even if it's bad shit crazy. I genuinely feel bad for Jared Gordon, who if you know Jared Gordon or have watched Jared Gordon over the years or have heard anything about Jared Gordon's story, like this is a man who has gone through a lot in his life. And like, that is the

biggest understatement that I could possibly deliver. Like, look into his backstory a little bit. Man's died multiple times, like, in overdose situations before being revived. He's gone through hell and back. I've written two different long-form features about him just because that's how, that's the extent of which how crazy his life has been in the various twists and turns that he has gone. Like, he is, there are a lot of, there's a lot of stuff in there, and he did not deserve

to pull out on the wrong end of this one. Like, this should have been a career-defining victory for him. And meanwhile, like, I don't know, man, like, I understand what we were saying at the beginning of, like, there's no other way for Patty to approach this. You kind of have to accept it of, hey, I won, I won the fight, you know, whatever. I feel like there's a lot, there is a middle ground between, I clearly, clearly won the fight and then doing what Jan did where, oh, yeah, no, I definitely didn't won the fight. Like, you could admit and accept that this was a close fight and that maybe you could see where some people got it wrong. The whole thing is just very, I don't want to say strange. It just, it's, again,

what a week. I'm picking my words carefully, but just what a weekend for MMA judging, right? Like, what the hell did we just watch? Because Patty Pimbled should have lost that fight. But if nothing else, that fight feels illustrative to me, at least, of the idea that Patty Pimbleau maybe is who we thought,

who I think a lot of us thought he was just in the UFC generally, where this isn't a guy who's eventually going to be a UFC champion. Like, this is probably someone who peeks out, maybe hitting the crest of that top 15. But I mean, this was just very illustrily. of sort of where his ceiling is in this division and the kind of guys he will struggle with. Because Jared Gordon, for all he is, he's a very hard worker. He's a very tough guy.

He grinds it out. He's not a top 15 guy in this division. And Paddy Pell that should have lost to him tonight. So again, just weird night, guys. Weird, weird night. And I made it. Huge fan of the fact that we only had the judges come into play twice. And they probably beefed it on both.

It's just the best. So, M.M.A. Well, what I was saying earlier is, I actually, no matter how you feel about this decision, and pretty much 99.5% of the people feel like Jared Gordon got screwed by the judges in this fight, I feel like for the Patty side, while you want to go out there and not get hurt,

because obviously he has an ankle injury he's going to have to deal with, who knows how long that's going to shell them, but you want to go out there and get a big finish and do what you did to Jordan Levitt and Luigi Vendermini and Kazula Vargas, you want to just keep the street going, You want to keep that momentum going. God, what a streak of people he fought. Right.

But the whole build of this week for Patty was, if he goes out there and does this to Jared Gordon, like, okay, maybe he's better than we thought. I still don't think he's going to win a title. But if he goes out there and beats to Jared Gordon convincingly the same way he beat these other guys, he's going to have to fight a top 15 guy in some way. Worse case, like, and I don't even know what the UFC ranking

look like right now. Worst case, like a Money Moikano or something like that. And I would favor pretty much every single person except maybe the Tony fight, but I don't think they would do that.

But I would favor pretty much every single person. Yeah, I would favor every single person to beat Patty like badly, convincingly. But now- We gotta walk back the Money Moikano thing.

I know you brought that up on BTL. Dude, Moikano dumps that kid. You can't have him fight Moikano right now. That's what I'm saying. Honestly, like this might have been the best thing for Patty, right? 100%. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah.

Now he doesn't have to fight these dudes. Now he could fight anybody. He could just fight. He could fight backwards now. And just he's probably going to fight backwards now. It's beautiful. Like this actually worked out really well for him in my opinion because if he goes out there and starts as Jared Gordon, he's fighting like Damir Isma Guloff or Grant Dawson or Jalen

Turner. and now he doesn't have to. It's actually, and now the interest and the emotion that people evoked towards Paddy Pimble, it's like tenfold now, and now he doesn't have to fight Armand Sarukia on anymore. This is all and all, pretty damn good night for Patty Pimbleau outside the injury, Sean. I mean, it's certainly not bad, right? Like, throughout the week, he certainly had himself a very eventful week in one way or another,

and he was the big story of the week for better or worse. I don't know if it was the way he envisioned being the big story of the week, but he certainly was for most of the week. I mean, I was in Las Vegas on Thursday for the World of May Awards, and all everybody could talk about to anybody was the thing that happened between Patty and our colleague, Gary Elwani earlier this week, and then now he has this. There is an element, I mean, there is a, we have seen this over and over again

in the fight game of, if people hate you, you're probably going to make a lot of money in this game, right? Like people will come out in droves to watch you fight to just to see you lose. And I think Patty might have sort of edged his way into that aura, into that zone, into that place this week. I mean, it feels like if you just look around social media right now, look around the internet, I mean, just all throughout the week. But in particular tonight, he did not engender himself, I think, to a lot of the MMA community, which that's ultimately going to make him lots of money moving forward. Because you're right. He's someone who's now going to be, it feels like, still fighting these top 30, top 25.

guys, guys who are not, the Isma Gullovs or Grant Dawson's or Jalen Turner's or anybody else that he would have been thrown against. He probably's going to win those fights and then he's just going to have a lot of people tuning in to watch him lose. And it's, I mean, that's a hell of a grift if you can get it.

So that's that fight. We're going to be talking about that whole thing for a week now. Crazy win for Santiago Ponsadibio. I actually felt bad for both him and Alex Marano because I actually thought that fight was pretty fun. It just followed Darren Till

versus Drick as 2 Plus C. Jed, you're Darren Till's biggest fan. You had nothing but praise and great things to say about the one-time title challenger. Obviously, I'm joking, but were you impressed with Darren Till tonight because the guy showed some

gusto, that's for Dan, I'm showing. No impression at all, huh? Why would I be impressed with him? No. Like, he's not a wilting lily. Like, I've never said that he's like a punk. It's just, he's It's not good. And he, he wasn't good then.

He had a dead man. DDP was gassed. I don't care what he said at the end about, I'm from South Africa and I knew. And good for him for turning on in the third. The whole second round was pretty clear that he couldn't breathe. Like he had just spent it all throwing a 10-7 up until in round one, by the way. Like, I don't, Dan Toad just doesn't have it. That's why I love this card so much.

all of these outcomes are ideal Darren Tillis, I don't have to ever deal with him again. He'll keep fighting, but we don't even have to pretend that he's a top guy now. We can just move on from that part of our life and I'll be much happier. Like, he could have won that fight if he like tried to win the fight in the second round

and he didn't and then he, and I don't know, because he clearly, it looks, it seems like he injured his knee and maybe he did that in the second round and that's why he didn't push the action. but no. He's exactly the fighter I thought he was, if not frankly, a little bit worse after that fight.

Wow. Sean, I thought the matchmaking was brilliant here because... Yes, I agree. For a lot of ways, because Drickas has everything you need to be successful in this business. He's a good fighter.

He's never in a boring fight. Looks good coming off the bus. Speaks really well, but he just didn't really have that, like, signature moment to really get him over. Darren Till is obviously very, very popular. And for the Till side, there aren't a lot of top 15 matchups for him that favor him in any

way. But this one from a stylistic perspective was probably his best chance to get a ranked victory. And Till had his moments. The fight was a lot of fun. Dana praised it. Got over with a lot of the fans. All in all, this was excellent matchmaking. And it was proven your thoughts on the fight, what DDP did tonight.

Do you think DDP came out looking better in the stock department? Obviously, he does because he won and it was a crazy fight. But do you think the UFC will look at him in a different way? Like, all right, maybe we could push this guy a little more. We got something here. Oh, absolutely. I mean, you said it. He showed out tonight, right?

Like, this was the statement victory that he was sort of looking for. And, I mean, it's funny because this middleweight division is in such a strange place after UFC 281 where, like, if Drickis fought Alex Pereira tomorrow, like, I might favor Drickus just stylistically, right? Like this is a weird division right now. With Izzy no longer at the top, like it feels like anything's sort of possible. So he certainly,

he's in a much better spot than he was before this. I mean, that was a hell of a performance. Even that first round, man, like Jed said, like that was, that was as close to a 10-7 as you can sort of get without being a 10-7. I mean, I would have scored that a 10-8 at least. I will say, though, I mean, just looking at the other side of it, it does feel like the main story is that that felt, like the end of, I guess, whatever.

Like, you can't write off anybody who's in their 20s. That seems foolish to do so, but it does feel as if... Watch me. It does, well, no, it just does feel as if we have seen the peak of the Daryntill experience, right? Like, it has been all downhill since he was, like, sort of crowned as the heir apparent to the welterweight throne ever since that Wonderboy fight. I think he's one in five. And if we're being honest, all six of those fights were just not good performances,

even the one he won, the Kelvin Gasolam one. That was just not a good fight. Darantil hasn't looked like Darren Till in a long time, but I think it's almost time to just sort of admit the reality of the situation that maybe this is just who Darren Till is, right? Like this is just a guy who is deeply flawed as a fighter, who is very charismatic as a personality, but who has very obvious holes and a blueprint out there on how to beat him,

and it feels like that's not changing, right? He goes and he changes any teams, not even changes team, but just sort of adjust his training and trades more with Hamza. And he thought that was going to maybe be able to shore up his wrestling. And yet today we saw it. Third round, very tired, Drikas Duplista, still pulling out takedowns just pretty effortlessly and sort of doing whatever he wanted in there. And it's just the books out there on Derrentill, and it feels like now, I mean,

would anybody be surprised that if Derringtile's sort of, you know, fate ends up being the guy who in 2024 or 2025 just loses to someone we don't even know in like a pfl tournament in round one right like like that sort of feels like that's the direction this is headed he has plenty of time to change that direction he a countryman of his michael bisman certainly was able to author some late career heroics and and pull out to pull something off that no one thought weak or that no one thought he could do but it does feel like we have just seen the darintill experience peak and i don't know man like that's that it's it didn't go all of this didn't go the way that i think a lot of of us thought it would when he's actually

I'm trying to listen to Sean just wax poetically and all I hear in my earphones is Jed laughing. Why? Because he brought up the Hamzat thing. Can you all imagine what it looks like when Hamzot trains with him? Triggis 2 Plus is effortlessly took this man down with zero gas tank. Is Hamzot like not try to wrestle him in the gym? Is like that what happens?

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of you gentlemen jed and sean very high on ilia to poria yes to this card and it has been for a while i'll start with you sean i mean i picked ilia to win this fight oh we he i mean he had bryce's attention right away. The first punch he landed, I was like, whoa, this could be a problem. And Bryce, of course, at some point, was probably going to get a takedown. But at that point, I think a lot of the damage had been done. You could see the expression on Bryce's face changed immensely from the second that fight started to like 90 seconds in. He was just like, oh, this is a whole different animal that I'm fighting compared to the other opponents that I've had. But Ilya, statement win. Sky's a limit for this guy. Sean,

I'm ready to throw him in with Arnold down right now, number one contender fight. I don't care if he's ranked 14th in the UFC rankings. This guy is the top 5, 145 are on the planet, and he proved it tonight. Ilya is terrifying, Mike Heck. Like, that man is utterly terrifying. He throws every ounce of himself into every single punch he throws.

Like, it is absurd how hard he's at one point. I think it was like early in the fight. He whiffed on a punch and like his, whole body spun around, right? Like that was, it's just crazy watching this guy fight. I absolutely love it, man. Like the, we've been saying this for a bit, but it's, it's more, it's, it's, you could just see it tonight.

Like the future of this 145 pound division is so ridiculously fun, right? Between him, Mofslaire, I, and Arnold Allen, you have a combined 21 and O in the UFC and you just have these, these young, hungry guys raging up the ranks, just waiting for their chance. Like, that, that is why, I mean, I mean, I'm all for this Volk Islam fight that we're about to get next year. But that's why me and Jed have been saying this whole time, like, Volk has not cleared out this division.

There is still a ton of work to be done at 145 because the young hungry, like next generation here, once we get past the Max Holloways and sort of the guys who have been existing at the top, like these dudes are for real, man. And Ilya is a dangerous, dangerous sight. To be able to do that to Bryce Mitchell. Like I hold Bryce Mitchell as a fighter in very high regard. that dude is very, very skilled, especially on the ground. And Ilya Tepora ran through that man, like a hot knife through butter.

Like it was just, it was again, so terrifying. He is an incredibly good grabler. He throws every ounce of himself into every punch he throws. And he has stupid power. Like, I have said for a while that I believe this man is a future champion. And I have never felt stronger about that than I do tonight. Like this, it is only inevitable in my mind that we see Alia Tuporia wearing a gold belt. And can you imagine if they ever book?

Toporia versus Patty Pimlet, what that would look like. Oh, my gosh. I'm not, it would be the best. I would love it so much. Seeing a, I say, I'm seeing a lot of people throw frankly meaner matchups out there for Patty right now. So. Yeah, that, that would be a tough one for him, no doubt about it.

But Jed, this guy's, this guy's a problem. We, we've, you've been talking about him for a minute. And what's interesting about Elya in this performance is that a lot of people are doubted him. They felt like he was overlooking Bryce. He was focused on Patty, but not on the task at hand. And not the case, huh? No. I know there's not too much to say. Honestly, beyond what Sean said, I don't love how aggressively he was swinging, but honestly, it felt like he was doing it because his utter lack of respect for what Bryce would put him do back to him. Because it's not like he didn't come out and like he came out very low stance.

and he's sort of built into the, I'm going to throw my hip into this thing. Like, I'm chucking the world at you. And it feels like it was just, yeah, buddy, you, you ain't got it against me. I have, I have tested your measure and found you wanting. And because even the finish was just like real big brother shit. Like, just like, dude, dude, get off me. And I think goes back to what you said.

the very first punch he landed. Like, Bryce looked very uncomfortable. And then I went back and looked after it because I hadn't really considered this. Bryce hasn't been hit a ton in his, his UFC career. Like, he's been hit a total before this fight, like a total of a hundred times. Half of that came in his tough debut. But like, not against big hitters. The good hitters he's faced, he took them down immediately.

Like Edson Barbosa got like five strikes on him. Charles Rosa got like three strikes on him. He hasn't been hit by a dude really. And he looked very unhappy being hit by I'ma Tuporia. And I can't blame him. We all saw what happened at Jai Herbert. I don't want to get punched by that man. And yeah, nobody at featherweight should want to fight this dude.

Nobody should want to do it. They're like maybe, maybe five featherweights I'd pick to beat him in a fight right now. This dude's awesome. And he's 25. He is only getting better, baby. guy's limit is going to rule. What a performance. Can't wait to see what he does next. What to shout out Cameron Simon, T.J. Brown, Billy Q, that friggin' animal, Chris Curtis, Edmund Shabazi and Garging your Rosa Strike. Just getting finishes. But I think the name from the prelims

that most people are talking about, 18-year-old Raul Roses Jr., Shaheen Al-Shadi. A lot of questions about him coming in. We all see the skill. We all see the talent. We've seen. The Contender Series performance, we saw a lot of his fights early on, just running through dudes in the first round. We were wondering maybe the moment's a little too much for him. Maybe Jay Perrin's not the right matchup for him because Jay's a dog. And maybe the adrenaline will just dump away from him. And then Jay, with his toughness and his durability,

will be able to take this kid out. But the second I saw Raoul Roses Jr. walk to the Octagon, I was like, this guy ain't rattled by this moment at all. He is soaking it all in. He is more than comfortable with it. And golly, did he perform against a very tough guy in Jay Perrin. It's not a lot. Jay Perrin fought Mario Batista on like a week's notice for his UFC debut,

cut all that weight and went the full 15 with Mario Batista in a fight that aged very well because Mario is just killing guys now. And here comes Ronald Rose Jr. just tackles him, controls him, controls him, chucks him around, and then easily taps him in the first round. Over exceeded your expectations, Shaheen? Honestly, yeah. I have to say he did. I watched his contender series fights or his contender series fight,

and he felt like someone who, maybe not in the Chase Hooper mold of someone who has this raw potential, but he's not quite ready. I don't know that he was there yet, but he did feel like someone that I don't know that I feel comfortable throwing this kid into the big leagues just right now. You don't want to see someone's career get cut short because they took too many beatings early.

on even if they managed to win these fights and sort of cut it out in wars. But he, that was just, that, that looked effortless to him. Like, that looked like he didn't struggle remotely in that fight. And to me, that was very impressive because I don't know what you were doing when you were 18 years old, Mike Heck, but this man was born in 2004 and Randy Couture was the champion of the UFC in 2004. And I very, very vividly remember Randy Couture being the champion of the UFC in 2004. So the fact that this guy is doing this now at this age, handling this kind of spotlight,

he felt like he belonged in this spotlight, right? Like he didn't feel like he shied away from the moment at all. He was reveling in it. He was enjoying it. He had a great walkout. Like, I am incredibly impressed with this kid. And I don't think that he's going to be a top 10 guy tomorrow. I don't think that, you know, we're looking at someone who's going to win the UFC title anytime soon.

But the fact that he was able to acclimate himself and perform like that on a stage like this at that age and really show out in the way that he did, I think it's incredibly impressive. And if you just look at the numbers online, it seems like people are very into the idea of following this story and seeing how far this kid can go right now. Like it's can't say enough superlatives about him. He exceeded my expectations greatly, I have to say. Chad, what did you think? I don't know. He looked great. I guess he's very dominant win.

I am reserving judgment on him. I still don't think he should be in the UFC just because he's 18 years old. you should let him develop and figure out what he's doing. And I know he's got some extensive, you know, any background, et cetera. It is very hard for me to feel any level of confident about any sort of projection here. He was not shook by the moment. I think that's the only real thing to take away. He wants to do this.

So maybe it'll be good. He's got some good signs on him. It's just, it's really hard for me to look at that fight and be like, cool. it's like all right yeah great win but like who's a dude who beat stupid ass C and Punk

Mickey Gall there you go I remember Mickey Gall coming in and being like Mickey Gall's a brown belt and looks like a world beater and he's just been like fine and that's the thing

that I assume that Rao Roses Jr. will not like be terrible right like he seems to have a baseline of talent and he's young and he wants to grow but growth is not linear. It can't really project how

he is so young it's hard for me to feel like I can project anything with him. And so he won this fight and he has a baseline level of competence and that is important and good. But he is just going to be a guy I suspect that I am never going to be able to believe in because their push is going to far exceed probably what he is actually capable of doing at this point in time because he's 18 years old. but they are already, they already positioned him in a marquee spot. I will say he's probably the biggest winner of the whole weekend

because I just looked it up. I was trying to pop it. He's getting a wiki page. It's not there yet, but if you click it, there is a draft up. So he will have a Wikipedia page probably like by this time tomorrow. So congratulations, Jarl Roses Jr. You've made it. You know, you know who his road,

or like maybe not rope, but projection sort of reminds me of, and I'm sort of thinking of every time we're sort of talking about him now, is Jake Matthews, right? Because Jake Matthews came into the UFC incredibly, incredibly young, had like some mild success,

won a few fights, would win some, then lose one, win some, then lose one. And it took him, what, like he debuted in 2014, I believe that. I'm not very good at math on the fly, but I think that's eight years ago.

He's 28 now, so he must have been around 20 when that happened. And just now, he is starting to be, become who I think we, who he will be in his, in his prime form, right? Like the last time we saw Jake Matthews out there, Jed, both you and I were ridiculously, extraordinarily impressed. Yeah, like, he's a grown man now. He's a grown ass man with, you know, grown ass man technique, grown ass man muscles who's out there doing grown

ass man things. And I think that's sort of like something similar that we can look at for Rao Roses Jr. where this isn't a Max Holloway who's going to come in, in my mind at least, and be a UFC champion fairly quickly, very, very early on. in his 20s, but it does feel like someone who can stick around, have fun fights, probably win some, lose some, but eventually mature into a very, very capable and dangerous contender. That's sort of the way I see it at least right now. You don't even have to go there. You can go like, there's like a very real chance Edmund Chabazzian is that fought on this

card, only 25. And like, I, that's totally possible. Maybe he's next John Jones. It is so hard for me because that fight was nothing. And then that feels a bit dismissive, but like, I knew that he can tackle people and grapple. He just did it. And great, like, he did it. But Jay Perrin is not the guy who's telling me.

And the way, because when you're looking at fights like that, then it really becomes like a old guy eyeball test. And it wasn't like, holy shit, his athleticism blows the doors off me. And like a lot of times when I'm like super high on a guy, it really just boils. boils down to that dude is a hyper athlete and so he is going to be awesome i don't ral ral rosa junior does not look like a hyper athlete to me and and he looks like a fine one but it is not like this guy isn't going to the nfl combine and jumping off the page as far as what i've seen thus far but he's also only 18 so maybe he just give him some time he's so raw i just need more from him to feel any kind of a real way the talent is definitely

There. I mean, you see it like the the the foundation like you can build a pretty frigging cool house. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Like it's that's it's really hard because like he's a great grappler. If you roll into any BJJJJM, they can probably do the same things. Like it's there's not everybody, but there's some guys there. And it's it is just so hard for me to project on an 18 year old because the the difference between 18 and 21 is astronomical. Like in basically all facets of life. And I just have no idea what his next three years are going to look like. And I'll feel a little bit better, I think.

Maybe if I just see him a bunch more, then maybe I can feel more like confident in it. But I just, he might wake up tomorrow and be like, I'd rather play video games because you can do shit like that when you're that young. Like who can tell him not to. So it's, I just want if he's going to be here, I'd rather him be doing the regional thing. I think that would be better for his development, but if he's going to be here, he never, never get him up the ladder. He just gets to stay in this shit, right? For the next three years, spin your wheels, do this.

That's 100% the thing is I just hope the UFC doesn't do the UFC thing with him and get too ahead of himself with him. Because right now you can see it, again, on the metrics, if you just look at other websites, our website, social media posts, YouTube, interviews, whatever. people are interested in Ralph Roses Jr. He clicks. There is general MMA community interest behind this kid. And when that happens, the UFC tends to push someone maybe too far or too quick.

I don't know that generally because for some people it's not too quick. But they will push that person as far as they can possibly go before they fail. And I just hope that doesn't happen in this case because you're 100% right, Jed. There's a massive difference between 18 and 21. And I would just be unfortunate if this case. kids potential and future, et cetera, whatever career got diminished in a way that it doesn't need to be simply because he was pushed up the ladder far too soon. There are sometimes, in some instances where treading water is totally fine when you're coming to, in regards to

matchmaking, philosophy, and things like that. And I do not want to see this guy elevate himself to a top, you know, 20, 25 type of matchup until he's in that like 20, 21 range. And it feels like he's ready for it, even if he's blowing the doors off of these guys consistently every time out. Like it's just, we have to manage these expectations a little differently than even someone like a paddy or something like that, right? He's 18. Ultimately, I know people are sick of hearing about it and that's all we're going to hear. But he's still 18. He's still a kid. Like, we just can't ruin him too soon by doing the UFC thing. Completely agree. Book him correctly, and I think you're going to be okay. All I'm saying is Sage Northcutt had.

a very similar potential. Maybe a little bit less. Rosa seems like he has shown a little bit more at this stage, but I also think Sage is probably a little bit better of an athlete. And we know what Sage is now. This is the UFC's history in this exact circumstance has been pretty bad. And so I can't think of outside of frankly John Jones, who's John and Jones

I can't think of the UFC doing this well I cannot think of one where it was like oh that worked out and John Jones was just cool if Rao Rosas Jr.

is possibly the best fighter of all time then their plan might work otherwise we get Chase Hooper you know like it's I have a lot of trepidation I guess is where I'm at

last thing I'll say about this and then we'll take a couple of questions is the first thought I had after this finish is like this could be the beginning of something because I've talked to fighters and for a while just thinking about hey what do you think the sport's going to be like five years from now and what they consistently say is we're going to see these like really young kids come up and fight in the UFC because instead of getting into jihitoo and training MMA at like 14 15 16

17 some some of these guys that are successful now like didn't even find an MMA gym until like they finished high school wrestling or college wrestling. These kids are getting into it at like three or four years old and they're doing it their entire lives. So by the time they're like 16, 17, 18, they have the experience level of a 25 year old, a 26 year old.

You know what I mean? So maybe it's just coming a little bit sooner. I don't think there's going to be a bunch of Raul Roses juniors in the UFC in 2023 or 2024. But this could be like the start of that trend that all these fighters keep telling you about like that come into their gym

at like 11 years old and they're rolling and submitting black belts. Like it's just crazy to even hear those stories. But then you see a kid like this and you're just like, all right, well, maybe there's some truth to it. And maybe this trend is starting a little bit earlier. But we'll see. Do not rush this kid for the love of God. Do not do it.

Just I don't even want to see him fight again until he graduates from high school. Like let him just be a kid. Like let him enjoy the rest of his, let him enjoy the rest of his high school career. And then if you want to throw him on like an international fight week card, if he wants to do it, do that. I'll let this kid be a kid. And I say this to Raul too. Like, I know you're excited and I know you'd love to fight next week. And that's cool, man.

Like you want to be that guy and you want to make a statement. You want to make an impact right away. But you're only 18 once, man. You're only going to have this time once. Don't waste it. Don't waste it. No regerts. No regrets.

All right. Casey, do we have any questions? We're not going to go crazy here because it's freaking late. We'll take a couple. Jeez, Mike. Is it like 4 a.m. for you guys? Let's go. Yeah, man.

Mike didn't even need to go to bed. He's got a flight to catch in the morning. He just stayed right through. Grind. Just grind. Nah, I'm here. I'm here for a while. I got on to the next one day K in 11 a.m. tomorrow.

So that's why I got lots of what's next questions. Who should be by next? I threw those all the way. we have a watch on to the next great great great we'll be here we'll be here on this on this here channel we'll be here on this year roses jr i like this comment uh five years to come champion be the youngest ever jones and that and that's correct yeah because that's the thing too like when you're talking about the i actually i agree that i think in the next probably 10 years there are not going to be old champions like that's not how any other professional

professional sport basically works. Like there are outliers, but certainly not to the extent we have. It's just going to be a lot more people who your championship window stops being 28 to 34 and is going to move to like 25 to 30 at the back end of it. But like boxing, you don't see a bunch of 18 year olds rolling into boxing and like fighting world championship fights because their trainers are good. And so they will fight a bunch, but it's, it's, it is developmental fights. And then by the time they're like 21, then it's like, all right, now this is a real fighter. Now we can, now we have developed somebody who's either gone through the Olympic circuits or they have, you know, 20 some odd winnable, like easy matchups. And now we can start making something happen with them.

That's what needs to happen with this kid. Three years of doing nothing. I mean, fighting guys like me. That would be great for him. This is more of a comment, but it's interesting. I'll let you guys read it. Patty, better quit being delusional if he ever has a chance at being champion, period, thinking you dominated this fight isn't going to help him versus a greater competition.

Luke, I appreciate you commenting and listening to this and watching this. But let's be clear, he's not going to be a champion. This guy's never fighting for a title. He's just, no one has, like, maybe. outside of him saying it and maybe like his close personal friends and teammates feel this way. No one has looked at Patty Pimble, but like,

this guy is a UFC champion. He is in the hardest division in the sport. He ain't beaten these guys. And that's fine. You can make a great living being a Patty Pimbleau and fighting in the UK. He's obviously very popular. Do you see the reaction he got when he walked out? That was like

incredible. That was incredible stuff. He could just fight the Jared Gordon's of the world and co-made events on pay-per-views and be just fine. But he's not going to be a champion. He's not going to be a champion. He's not fighting a top five guy. It's not going to happen.

It's just not. And I think tonight proved it. Like tonight certainly proved it. If he fights Armand Sarukian, he is, it's going to be so bad. I mean, it's going to be so bad. Jalen Turner, Grant Dawson.

Those guys destroy him. Like, it's not competitive. But you throw him in there. Terrence McKinney, interesting fight. I'd watch the hell out of that now. It makes sense now. I think I'd pick Terrence to win. That feels like that makes less sense to me now.

Although I guess he won. I agree. I agree that it makes sense. I just think Terrence probably thumps him. Maybe. But that fight now makes more sense. That's not a bad matchmaking, though.

Good, good, hot note. That's why you have a show, huh? Yeah, I mean, I've spoiled a couple of these already, but yeah, I mean, for God's sake, I mean, just do that. Now it makes sense. Now it makes sense. Like, I hated the Teporia idea. I never liked it because of the thumping. But if both guys, like if Bryce Mitchell went out there and just strangled Tupori and tapped him in the first, or Jared Gordon just wrecked him and beat Patty, then it makes sense. Then you just chuck those two dudes in there. They're just fighting to settle a beef. No one's treading towards

titles or anything like that at that moment. then it makes sense. But to book him and Patty together now makes literally no sense at all. No sense. But yeah. I will also quibble with the idea that he can't be delusional. I know what you're saying and it would be better for him as like a person to be a little more introspective. I actually think that being completely delusional is a really big benefit in the world of fist fighting.

You want to have a coach who's rational and who can walk you back. That's where Connor McGregor has failed because that man is very clearly delusional, but there's nobody in his corner to be like, hey, so let's, let's, you keep believing that, but here are the real things we're going to make you better with. So he just spiraled off into whatever he's doing. Patty just needs to make sure his corner, he needs to still be insane because that's the only way you can be a high level professional athlete realistically. He just needs to have people around him who are rational and can mitigate that to some extent.

It's going to be awesome. Like, Patty got a W and then, but he's somehow going to move farther back, like in the line as far as, like, level of opponents. It's a, yeah, it's a, it's a weird place to be. But, hey, like, he's making money, I guess it's working. And I don't think, even this whole Patty becoming a champion, why does it matter? Doesn't he's going to be one of the most successful prize fighters in the world. It doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter.

Yeah, and that is great to be. I was going to say, Nate Diaz lost a lot of champions. I don't think anybody cares. We made a lot of money. Molly McCann became a star by beating the two worst fighters in her division. It's true. Real quick, the Nate Diaz thing is interesting. That's kind of a chicken to the egg because they only become the worst fighters when

Molly McCann knocks them out. That's how it works. But the Nate Diaz situation, we keep saying Patty shouldn't fight this guy. Patty shouldn't fight this guy because he'll get thumped. But Nate Diaz is a freaking star despite getting thumped many times. Why are we so preoccupied with protecting Patty? Because we're saying, we don't want to invite Zeruki. That just makes no sense.

You know, we don't invite Tuporia. That makes no sense because he's going to get thump. I don't know that anybody's saying we don't win in the fight. It just more or less is silly to even talk about. Him and Teporia, yeah, him and Tepoyal. They're not even the same weight class. They're not even the same weight class. Take away Teporia, but, you know, just Patty.

I don't think it's a good idea, Casey. And here's why, because I have not, I don't, yeah, it's not necessarily going to ruin his stardom. I also don't think that trying to replicate Nate Diaz is like a successful business model. Like, Nate, Nate pulled it off. And Patty probably can. Like, I think when Patty loses, it will be fine. but you also just if you have the leeway to not have him lose and that's cool I will also say I am really really confident that well part of Nate's thing is even

when Nate lost he didn't lose you know like he could always do the Nate thing if I won or it was competitive etc when Patty hits a level it is not going to be splities to Joe Stevenson or Clay Gwereux or fifth round comebacks against Leon Edwards, it's going to be Armand Suruki and bagging him up. Like, it is not going to be a, I could have won that, or clearly that wasn't a close fight. It's going to be definitive in a really bad way,

which again, it probably survived, but why do it if you can avoid it? Clay Guita is actually not a bad matchup. You said that, and I kind of like that. Yeah, I saw it. Oh, my God, they're totally going to do that, aren't they? That actually kind of makes a lot of sense for what we're doing. I almost do that comment up, because don't put it up there too,

but Michigan Guida, I was like, uh, Jed loves that idea. It's two favorite fighters getting after it. This is great. Klinguania is so bad. Huh.

I pick Patty to win a fight, I guess. Oh my gosh. That fight makes a lot of sense. A fight actually makes a ton of sense. Mike, I want an ton of sense. I want the otno point.

If they make it. Um, Yeah, I just love us kind of getting to watch these kind of stars being built. And I'm really always interested in like, when do these, when do these guys hit levels where it doesn't matter if they win or lose? You know, it's Patty at that level if he gets stumped, he's still the same star. Because Patty's not even undefeated. He's got like three losses, right, already.

It's like nobody knows who Soren Bach is. Yeah, that's like when Connor can use it. He had like three, a couple losses too already. But we act like he was undefeated forever. But, yeah, just now. But he needed to win tonight. Like he needed to win tonight. Like if he did win tonight, I didn't think he was going to win like this.

Like I didn't think we'd be sniffing robberies with a Patty Pimble win. I thought Jared would look good until he didn't. And chaos ensued and Patty strangled him. And that's a whole different thing. Like he needed to win tonight, but he doesn't need to win the next fight because he's going to fight a rank guy. And they're going to just throw him into the waters and see how he will swim. And he probably won't. And then you're like, all right.

right, now we know for sure. We'll just do UK fight nights and Patty can headline against guys he will probably beat. And you can make a great living doing that. That's totally okay. And that's just where he is. And that's cool.

That's cool. It's nothing wrong with that. Guys, you know who's ranked in the UFC's lightweight rankings right now? Conner McGregor. You can just roll it out. I don't think he wins it, but that's a very winnable fight for Conner.

That would sell so many stupid paper views. We're trying to find a way to get Connor a W. There you go. Right there. And that is a win-win for the promotion, too. That is... That's my new odd-no pick. That's the fight.

Make-Book it. I hate that you brought this into... Yeah, brought this into the universe. If they don't do it now, like, I'm not saying they can't ever, but like it feels actually like a really good opportunity to do this. I feel like you have to do right now. You just have to show up to Patty for so long, right? Connor's got to do the six months.

Who knows when that's even going to happen? Does he have to do them? That's fair. Anything goes. Great point. Rock Lesner sure didn't have to do it. I'm just saying, international fight week, 2023.

If they just book Connor just said, oh, there's an exception. We would be like, okay. I would, I want to be extremely clear. I wouldn't care anyway, but I doubt a single soul would care. If you were like, we're going to do Patty Connor, nobody's going to be like unacceptable.

The sporting merit of this. Hey, guys. Let's do it. I think we're past the sporting. I think we're past the sporting merit of things. Especially, just look at the light, heavyweight division. Yeah, I was going to say Anthony Smith has some conversations with you right now. Poor Anthony Smith.

Is Anthony Smith the biggest? No, let people be lost tonight. But he's more. Hey, Anthony. He is the biggest dude tonight. Anthony, don't worry about it.

It probably is. Yeah. Anthony, don't worry about it, buddy, because, boy, do we have a matchup for you. We have this guy named

Khalil Roundtree who's just an absolute murderer. Or Ryan Span? Or Ryan Span? Yeah. So hashtag consolation prize, Anthony Smith. Maybe he gets Paul Craig.

Paul Craig's still hanging around in their top 10. That's winnable. Then you can do Span Roundtree. It just, two dudes throwing them. Man, light heavy way was so much fun.

We were in such a cool place with light heavy weight. It still is really fun. Six months ago. Six months ago. This is still really fun. This is so fun. In a different way. People kept asking me because like for the last two weeks,

I would introduce every show and talk about this and be like, we are, well, we're expected to have a new light heavyweight champion at the end of UFC 283 and be like, why do you say that? I'm like, because you never know. Maybe there's a draw or like some sort of like no contest or something. And here we are like 10 days later. And it's just like we're going to name this preview show.

UFC 282 post-fight show still no champion. Like that's it's still lacking the champion. Look, the champion has a name and it's here you per hashka. Yeah. I like to hear his tweet by the way. The Dean Namcov might be the number one light heavyweight in the world. Oh, he is. Oh, yeah.

He might be now. I can't do it. Look, that's not wrong. I still go, I still go year to, but he's got it. I have yeary too. Yeah. Well, speaking of rankings, I have to go and do my rankings now because we're going to be doing an update.

So thank you very much, everybody. I think we're done here. We appreciate you sticking around with us all night long here on the NBA fighting YouTube channel. Jed doing the Patty the Batty Dance. And I just loved this night. It was the best night. It was the most fun I've had.

months. I can't remember the last day of view. I enjoyed as much as this barnyard explosion. This started out as like eight hours ago. Eight hours ago we're like do not buy a favorite view and now we're like best night ever. Best night ever. This is awesome. Patty, Patty turned heel accidentally and I was getting really worried guys that I might have been wrong and Patty Pimbleau might not suck. And he found a way to not only make We feel very confident that the things I've been saying for years were true, but he also made it really easy to hate him. This is a win, win, win for me, baby.

I love him, right. Well, that being said, thank you all for watching for Sean, for Casey, for Jose, for Jedmushu. I am Mike Huck. Good night, everybody. Love you guys. Oh, that's cute. Jenks. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.