MMA Fighting - UFC 286 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Leon Edwards' Win, Colby Covington Getting Next Title Shot

Episode Date: March 19, 2023

Leon Edwards won the main event of UFC286, as well as the trilogy with Kamaru Usman to retain the UFC welterweight championship, and following the event, Dana White says that Edwards' next opponent will be Colby Covington regardless of what happens in the division.  MMA Fighting's Mike Heck, Shaun Al-Shatti, and Jed Meshew react to the decision win for "Rocky" to cap off the night, where Usman goes from his second straight loss to the champ, the decision to announce Covington as the No. 1 contender before Gilbert Burns vs. Jorge Masvidal takes place at UFC 287, and Belal Muhammad potentially fighting Shavkat Rakhmonov next. Additionally, they'll discuss Justin Gaethje's decision win against Rafael Fiziev in a classic co-main event, some of the bizarre scorecards throughout the card, take some viewer questions, and more.  Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Shaun Al-Shatti: @ShaunAlShatti Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You know what that music means, a gentleman. It means a UFC paper review has come to an end. It's sound of triumph, triumph. Leon Edwards. and in some cases, it's the sound of confusion because promotion and a president of a promotion who does fights after pay events has been made already for Leon Edwards.

He has a challenger. And I talk about that and a whole lot following a memorable return to London, England, England for the ultimate fighting championship. Welcome to the UFC 286 post-fighting show. Hey, I'm hearing like six of you, Mike, so I don't know if it's a me thing or if it's on the broadcast thing. But everything you're saying is coming through like four times. I was about sorry.

I was about it was just me. I was about to jump right in. I don't know what happened. We were, hey, we were good five seconds ago. We were good. We were good. We were good. I'm glad it wasn't me because I was trying to like slack you.

It seemed like, I don't know if I need to reconnect or something. But I was sitting everybody. I'm like, I'm like, what is happening? We literally did a whole entire lengthy sound check before this. Yeah, we did. We started. It went through crap. You got to love it.

Right. Right is returned. This is what happens when the post shows aren't at like 4 a.m. We're not ready for this. Yeah, we have light outside. This is weird. How lucky for you all to have light outside. And for us to have had great fights, I'm taking over as Mike is gone.

He'll get back. we'll figure this out. There we go. Okay. Hello. There's my man. There's my man. Mike heck is back.

Thank goodness. I was going to have to. It was working. I was so happy. I was so happy everything was working. And son of a gun. All right. We're good.

Welcome to the post-fight show, everybody. Okay. Welcome to the post-fight show, everybody. Leon Edward Shaheen Al-Shadi is still the welterweight champion of the world. He defeats Kamar Usman. He wraps up the trilogy, two to one. I scored the fight. the two judges who scored it for Leon Edwards. I thought he won four of the rounds. Of course,

he lost a point in round three, 48, 46, how I scored it. Did you agree with the cards? Did you score it the same way? No, I mean, I had it 47, 47. Ultimately, you know, that point getting taken away, kind of put me into a draw situation. I had it tied. I can't, I'm bad at math on the fly, but I had it tied going into the championship rounds and then I ended up sort of with that tie in the end. But ultimately, I can't complain about the scorecards whatsoever. I felt like it was either you had it tied or you had Leon winning in the way that he did. So I think the right man won. If this went by pride rules, which, you know, me, I'm always, if this goes by pride rules type of guy, that's the ultimate decider. If this goes by pride rules, Leon won the fight. Again,

the point deduction really kind of looms large over all of this if you think it's a draw. So I have no problem with it. And man, all the credit in the world to Leon Edwards, right? Like this is such a different type of result than the one we saw last year, where even after that fight, even after like one of the most iconic highlights in UFC history, one of the, probably the craziest comeback in the history of the sport, at least on a championship level, at least on that type of platform, there was always that way you could sort of snip in the butt, right? The big butt. Oh, you know, but Leon was losing, but it was kind of a fluke, but it was kind of a miracle finish, but did he really deserve it? But Kamar Usman dominated him for most of that fight. You can't

can't say that anymore man leon edwards is a deserving ufc welterweight champion uh this man who for so long just had to eat crap from everybody on his way to the top who got forced to basically win or not lose 12 fights in a row on his on his path to the title he finally gets the flowers that he deserves he is finally there in the place that he probably should have been a lot longer ago uh but he made it man he validated all of it you can't say anything about leon edwards now he is the ufc walterweight champion and that was one hell of a performance. Jed, your reaction to the Edwards win, and what was your scorecard for this fight?

I had it the same as the two judges. I had it 49, 45, right, because of the point deduction. I thought Edwards won four rounds. If you wanted to score two rounds for Usman, don't have a huge issue with it. But he didn't have anything for him, man. The right guy won by every definition. for me. Usman

could not replicate what success he had in the rematch, couldn't get taketowns, couldn't keep the ones that he got almost at all. Leon was incredibly well prepared for what was coming in this fight, for much better than in the rematch. Obviously, it doesn't come away with the finish,

but arguably a more impressive win to beat Kamar Usman like that because we've never seen Kamar Usman get knocked out certainly, but we've really never seen. anybody kind of shut him down as completely as Leon did. Wasn't the world's greatest fight, but I mean, the champ, the champs here.

He's got a name. It's Leon Edwards. Also, if I can't just add, I mean, to me, like, this one was so important for Leon because it validated the head kick and the way that last fight ended in such a profound way, right? Because we've already seen this happen just even recently, right? With Amanda Nunes and Giuliana Pena, as soon as that other, that next. fight played out and Amanda did what I think a lot of us thought she was going to do in the

previous fight. We're not mentioning Giuliana Peña in the same type of way. We're not looking at that win in the same type of way. And you know for a fact that the exact same type of thing would have happened to Leon if Camaro came out here and put on a classic Kamaro Usman performance. Suddenly that fifth round head kick would look so different just from a historical perspective, from the way we remember it, just from all of it. It would feel so much less significant if Leon came out here.

kind of laid an egg tonight. And he absolutely did not. So again, that is so utterly validating for what Leon did last year. And you can't help but be happy for the man. I mean, he has been through so much. And again, you just can't poke holes in this one. Yeah, it wasn't the world's greatest fight, but it was still incredibly fascinating. Just watching it all play out and then watching Leon lose the point and trying to see how

Kamara would come back, kept going to the takedowns in round four, kept going to them in round five. And a lot of those rounds were really, really, really close. close. So, I mean, especially following Justin Gajee versus Rafael Fizzis, which we'll get to, it was still fascinating in its own way. So I did enjoy watching the fight and enjoyed watching it play out. Now we're going to get to the aftermath for Leon Edwards, because that is almost become a story almost bigger than the actual title defense. But, Jed, I want to go back to you because we talked about this on BTL, and we talked about this on the preview show, about the stakes of this

fight, not just for the winner, but for the loser. Where does the loser go from this fight? And you felt that no matter who lost, yeah, it stings, but it wasn't a devastating loss for either guy. Having watched the fight, seeing Usman lose the second straight fight, seeing how he looked in a lot of ways, do you feel the same way? Yeah, it's not devastating for the same reasons I said coming into this. It is not that a loss isn't bad or sucks.

for Usman. It very clearly does. There's a champion that he's now lost to twice in back-to-back fights. I know he said in his post-fight speech, he'll see me again. That is incredibly unlikely. So, I mean, that is unfortunate for him, but it doesn't change where he is. He's still the second greatest welterweight of all time. I don't think there's much of an argument for his status is there. He's a future Hall of Famer. Like, his legacy is locked and secured. He, and like I said, I kind of think that his legacy was locked either way. If he reclaims the belt, it's better, right? Like, it's obviously better for him historically. But I think the loss to Edwards had probably removed him from pursuing George St. Pierre as the greatest welterweight of all time. I will say that

this loss is worse for him, or it's made worse by the fact of how he looked, which is he, he is clearly doesn't have his fastball anymore like kind of thought that that would be coming for a while he's about to be 36 fighters don't age historically well in general it's just hard to be at the top for as long as he did and he had limited success in this fight in anything like he wasn't out of class or totally out of his league but he couldn't get his offense going against a younger guy who is in peak peak form right now and so i think it's it's bad for his future prospects i mean he he can still beat a lot of welter weights and maybe most, if not all of them. But there's a fresh batch of hitters coming, man.

And I don't, he seems intent to keep fighting. And now he's going to have a huge target on him because everybody wants to be a guy who beats a former champion, gets himself into a title fight. You know, Shavkat Rachmanov maybe is fighting below Muhammad, apparently. But if not, there are some young dudes coming up. are going to be problematic for him because I think he's clearly past his athletic peak now. And so he's going to have to get by a lot more on Kraft and Gile. And it's just really hard.

It's really, really hard to do that in this sport. So, but ultimately, I don't think it's, it's not a huge loss. It is a huge loss for all the reasons that we know. But he's set in stone, man. He's the second greatest weltoid of all time and a future Hall of Fame. Like, you can't ask for much more than that for an MMA career. I completely agree with you on the legacy part of it. He is, I mean, he's locked and said as the second greatest

World Trade of all time and this loss doesn't hamper that at all. But that's the long term and kind of just the legacy term of it. But Shaheen, here and now for Kamara Usman. He says he wants to go home, talk to his coaches, spend some time with his daughter, and then get back because he gets a little antsy. He doesn't like to sit around for too long. So where does he go from here?

because it feels like he's fought a lot of these guys already. So I just don't know how to, and I'm going to try to match big for him tomorrow morning with AK, but where does he go from this loss? I mean, the legacy set, but as far as his right here and now as a UFC fighter, where does he go from this loss? I mean, he kind of goes the same direction that a lot of these ex-champs at the end of their, I wouldn't say end of their careers, but he does, he's certainly closer to the end than the beginning. I mean, he sort of goes in the same direction, all of them did.

I mean, Anderson, we saw all of the greats have done this. Anderson Silva has done this. Like, that's just sort of what we do, right? Like, he's going to fight the Jeff Neals of the world. Maybe he'll fight the Shavkat Rachmanovs of the world. He'll sort of get thrown to that group, along with everyone else. He'll be the Max Holloway of this division for as long as he is knees and sort of his body can hold up to it.

I mean, this is, this was inevitable at some point, right? Like, we've been saying this for a long time, that Kamar Usman is an older fighter in this division. He has had bad knees for the majority of his career at some point that's going to catch up at least a little bit, at least that tiny sliver enough to where the rest of the division can sort of catch up to where he is. And it feels like maybe we've reached that point. Ultimately, I mean, like Jed said, there is not, like if you're Kamar Usman, you succeeded, man. Like you did it. You did the thing, dude. Like he came into the UFC. When he came into the UFC, I don't think anybody out here was saying this, we're about to see the second greatest

welterweight of all time, just run roughshot. over this division for the next 10 years. Like the fact that he was able to pull this off and really have this incredible run that he had over the course of the start of his UFC career and through the majority of it, most fighters cannot say that, right? Like he had a better career than 99% of UFC fighters,

of MMA fighters. Like he is who he is at this point. Just like said, Jed said, he is the second greatest welterweight of all time. That is an incredible feat. Like I want to repeat that. That is an incredible feat. There is no way to understate,

how incredible that is, especially when the greatest wealth weight of all time is the dude who's mentioned in the top two goat status of all time in GSP. Like, what Camaro did is incredible. I think very few people would have predicted it back when he came on the Ultimate Fighter and made his debut in the promotion. So all the credit in the world to Camaro, but yeah, I'm sure he's just going to take sort of a max Holloway route now and be sort of almost the highest level version of a gatekeeper as someone could possibly be for 170 for however long his body.

and his knees can seemingly hold up. He's got such a... Yeah, go ahead. Or we see what happens with Alex Pagano versus Israel Disseeing, too. Look, he didn't have his fastball anymore, but the Duke can still wrestle, and Alex Pereira is Alex Pereira. Like, that fight has some legs to it. He might have to take one more, but...

That's the thing. He would have to be a high-level middleweight contender to get that. Like they're not going to shepherd him right in the title. Do you think it's crazy for him to be Drickus 2 plusy? Because I don't. I think that's an entirely one of the whole fight for him. Drickis isn't that guy though. Like he would have to beat a Marvin Vittori or someone.

That's the one I would go with. Like in that spot. I also think he could be Marvin Vittori too. I think it's just a bigger version of Maru in a way. He like he's sort of a bigger grind. Camaro was going to fight for the light heavyway belt, Shaheen. So don't you be talking about Marvon. Look, I will also shouts to him.

He's the greatest tough champion ever or tough fighter ever. So, you know, that probably means something. So good for Camaro. I got unequivocally the greatest tough fighter of all time. I mean, T.J. Dillishaw is probably in that convoy, but also there's a lot of T.J. Dillishaw baggage that we could throw in this. Is T.J. Dillashaw, you think he's in the conversation with Kamar Usman? I'm just saying this.

I think Camar Usman has no. I'm not going to be the one to argue that. But I just want to. I don't think. Camaro Usman has a close second in the greatest tough champion combo. Yeah. Also, Dillishall, also Dillishaw did lose tough. So that also hurts him really badly.

Oh, yeah, that's right. Good old John Johnson. You forget John Dotson slabbed that man in the tough finale. Well, I mean, look, if Camaro chooses not to fight again, he's got a very bright feature outside of the cage, whether it's in movies and acting or. even commentary. I think he's really,

really good in that role. So he'll be fine. He'll be fine. I would like to see him fight again if he wants to, and we'll see what happens. But the big story, gentlemen,

coming out of this, and I want to go to you, Sheen, because you said, Leon Edwards is a guy who doesn't really have to eat the crap anymore. But guess what?

He kind of does because we were talking throughout this entire build that if Leon Edwards wins this fight, He puts himself in a really interesting position. He's not like sitting at the big star table, but he gets a little bit of clout and he's got some really unique and interesting opportunities in front of him where he can essentially

not win prize fighting, but he puts himself at the prize fighting table where he could fight a Jorge Mazadol and settle a rivalry, or he could fight certain individuals, maybe get a Connomer Greger fight since Connor has expressed interest in going up to 170. That conversation lasted about 12 seconds because Dana White sat down at the press conference and he said unequivocally, Colby Covington, who weighed in as the backup, is next in line. The tune changed from Friday where he said, I'm not ready to say he's the number one contender, but he's right there. He's in the mix, so to speak. And then even when he was asked appropriately, what happens if Jorge Mazadol beats Gilbert Burns? What if he goes out there and knocks out Gilbert Burns in three weeks time at UFC 287?

And Dana White said, it don't matter what anybody does. Colby Covington deserves it. He gets the next shot no matter what. So Shaheen Al-Shadi, your reaction to this. Again, we don't make fights after the fight. He made one pretty damn quick. Did he not? I just love the he deserves it.

Like, that's an incredible sentence, right? The word deserves is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence, like that you're reinventing what the word deserves me. I can't imagine what Leon Edwards in his heart of hearts. Like he already told us what he thinks of this, but like his real unadulterated thoughts on this, I would love to just peer into his mind and actually hear it. Because if you just put yourself in Leon Edwards place for half a second here,

this is someone who had to basically work to the bone, to do the impossible, to be unbeaten in 12 straight fights to get to this point. Like he worked harder than almost anyone ever has to be able to earn a title shot and then really had to do it. He had to do it twice. He had to really to become this sort of undisputed, no questions asked champion. He has worked so obscenely hard over basically the last like eight years to be able to get to this point.

And to be that guy, to be that guy at the pinnacle of your career, the height, you just did it. You beat Kamaro twice. you beat the second best welterweight of all time twice. And you get like five minutes to like really revel in that before you're hearing that a man who basically has just sat around for, you know, a year, a man who was uninjured for that whole year, a man who hasn't beaten anybody coming off of a win since 2018, which is five years. I don't know if you realize it's 2003. That's five years ago. A man who has no wins over the current UFC welterweight top 10, a man who has only.

fought one person in the entire top 15 of the UFC welterweight ranks one person that one person was Jorge Mazvedal who is pretty irrelevant to the title conversation that that's the guy that's the guy now who's going to be gifted the next the first title shot against you in this post-usman era like I cannot imagine what Leon actually thinks of this like it is it is so supremely silly that we have reached this point and frankly it's it's somewhat of a disservice to Leon Edwards that we're having to talk about this on a night where, again, this is the pinnacle of his career,

and now this Colby Covington thing has completely almost overshadowed it to a certain degree to where, when I look around the space, that's what most people are talking about, rather than giving Leon the flowers and the props that he should be receiving for what was a very, very good performance to cement his legacy. And yet here we are. We are talking about this because the UFC is forcing us to talk about this. And it just is so silly, man. It is just so silly.

We are, the welterweight division is full of dudes who have been grinding and trying so hard to get this opportunity. But all Muhammad's out here what, like nine straight fights unbeaten. He is doing everything possible to get into this spot. And hey, here you go. You get Shavkat Rukmanov. That's what we give you. You get to go fight Shavkot for your title shot. Meanwhile, we'll just continue gifting Colby these opportunities that, frankly, most of them are not deserved.

Just until he kind of wins one. that's what it almost feels like, is like, hey, we're just going to keep giving this, do this opportunity until he finally does it. Right now, this guy is just floating off of almost losing, or I'm sorry, almost beating the ex-champion a couple years ago. That's sort of the resume right now for Kobe Covington, and this is the guy who we're hearing deserves it.

This is the guy who makes the most sense. And the thing is like, it's not as if this is, because I've already seen people throughout like, oh, you didn't say this about Steepay. What about Connor? What about Henry? Risa Hudo. I did.

I said it about Steepa. I said the shit out of this about Steve A. First of all, a lot of us said it about all of those people. So like, when you're saying that, that's just baseless. But also,

there's one thing that all of those dudes that you were talking about have in common. And it's that their former champions. They've done it. They have won the UFC title. They were there. They were in that pole position

at one point in their career. Colby's never done that, man. Like, he won a phony interim belt because the UFC was kind of mad at Tyron Woodley. It just is so silly, like this is what we're talking about. Now, no one was even thinking of Colby Covington in the title conversation as this next man up until 48 hours ago when all of a sudden he appeared in London. And we saw him for the first time in a year.

And all of a sudden he was just this guy who was secretly pushed into this spot. He wasn't in that conversation. We were talking about, hey, like Hamzat and Balal, we're going to have to fight for number one contender or, you know, something like that. Or, hey, Shavkots now in the mix. Like, Colby just wasn't even in the conversation until the UFC basically made him the conversation. It's so stupid and so silly and so undeserved. And if I'm any other well-to-weight out there, especially a Balam Muhammad and especially Elon Edwards, I'm just so frustrated watching this man.

I'm just so frustrated because it's so, it's so stupid. Jed go. I know, I want to pass the mic to Jed, because I know he's got thoughts. Go ahead, man. He kind of nailed it, right? Like I'm, I was pretty upset immediately. And I just kind of, it was a really good night of fights. And this isn't going to ruin it for me.

I had a great time today. It is 10 o'clock. The fights are over. They were memorable. They mattered. This is impossibly stupid. But, you know, whatever. It's not carved in stone is the one thing I will caution here.

Colby Covington has had a number of title shots that he was supposed to have and didn't get them. man knows how to screw himself out of a good time. He has done it repeatedly. So maybe this won't happen. Leon seems very uninterested in this fight, which is totally fair and reasonable. So there is a world where Dana just has to relent because I, all right, here, here's what I'll say on this fight.

I got two theories, guys. I don't need to talk about whether it deserved or not. You nailed this Shaheen. We're fine. Two theories. I got two of them on what happened here. And I want to hear your thoughts. The first, the one that I originally thought and the one that is my own.

Dana has been saying he's got something for the MMA media. And we all thought that he meant it would be another big expose, like when he put AK in the black and white lighting and was like, you tried to kill the UFC. What if it's this? What if he has just realized that we don't give a shit when he comes at us about doing our jobs? And so instead, he's just going to infuriate half of us into literally having aneurysms. If so, well played. Honestly, just great mental warfare. Full props to that.

Theory number two, saw somebody post this. Forgive me, I don't remember who. But there is, I'm not saying it's true. I'm just saying I'm interested. I'd hear more if you had a display table up and were asking me, would you like to know more? the UFC went to Colby and said if you drop these charges against Tori Mosfidol, we will give you a title fight because we want Mosfadol to be fighting for our business.

We don't really know what's going on in the Mosvado-Covington case. I have to assume that his whatever the suit of head trauma is gone because you can't credibly claim like serious head injury and then also be trying to fight for a world title in a combat sport. But, I mean, I guess we'll find out. So which of those two theories do you guys think is more likely? Because I got nothing else. The idea that he deserves it, that's clearly nonsense.

So I can't figure out why else the UFC would be so adamant. I was talking to Casey about this on the presser. I understand it in like a broader sense and that's fine, whatever. I don't agree, but who cares? I don't, what bothers me and I really don't get is the dismissal of Jorge Mosphidal. Because Horne Mosfidal also does. deserve the fight, but at least that is a baked-in story that your champion is like pushing for. So it's really weird to be like, it does not matter what happens in Miami.

Colby's getting the next title fight. Like that's, it's really tying your hands for no reason. The UFC doesn't have, they know why it doesn't have to say that. They can still just give Colby the fight later, but it's taking something off the table in a really weird way. So I'm down to those two theories, guys. I don't know which one I think is more true, but they're the only answers I have. I will say this, and I'll let Shaheen answer this question. I just looked it up.

That case is still open, so nothing has been closed yet. Mazadal's going to retract it. Kobe's not going to retract it until they're on the record. They didn't even tell anybody he was going to weigh in. If he pulls the case and then flies over there, Dana can be like, the case isn't even there. What the hell are you doing? Colby is not a genius, but he's not a fool. So maybe that case comes.

If that case gets pulled in the next week, week, I'm saying that's a lot of smoke for me. Well, it's possible because the last time we, this case was discussed in court, Mazdal's attorney said he wouldn't be shocked if this thing was closed by the end of the month, which is this month in particular. Just saying. Look, if that happens, a lot of smoke for that particular conspiracy theory. That's quite the theory.

Do you buy into any of these theories? I have my own theory, Shaheen. but I'll see if you agree with those. I mean, now you kind of piqued my interest. What's your theory, Mike? It's way less interesting than Jed's two theories. But I've been saying for a while, because I know people are saying like,

no one was even talking about Colby in the title discussion. I have been. And people thought I was crazy. That if, especially with Burns and Mazadol fighting each other, that if Gilbert Burns beat Jorge Mazadol, there is a very real world that Colby Covington could slap, into a title fight with Leon Edwards. It wouldn't have shocked me in the slightest.

But what happened was, we went from just saying, like, this is a likely thing to happen, to this is a potential reality once Dana realized how much buzz Colby got when he stepped on that scale and nobody knew about it. Because he even said, like, oh, my kid even called me and was like, what the hell is Colby Covington doing weighing in? And he was like, oh, we didn't even want to make this. a secret. We never even promote who's going to be the backup fighters because no one ever asks us, which

by the way is not true because when John Jones is fighting steepe, yeah, when John Jones is fighting steepe, I think Alex Bune was the one that was like, is there going to be a backup for, or not John versus Steeper, John versus Cyril gone, is there going to be a backup? Dan said yes, and he was like, well, who is it? And he goes, well, I'm not going to tell you.

You'll find out. You'll see. We're not going to I'm not going to tell you who it's going to be. So clearly people ask about it. And then when you say, we're not going to tell you, then why would you ask again. So that was a big deal. Colby stole a ton of headlines on this fight week. And I think Dana saw that and was like, hmm, maybe we have lightning in a bottle. It's the old pro wrestling narrative, Shaheen. We, if we can't miss you if we don't leave. And Colby left for a while. And people apparently missed him because he created quite the stir. And I think Dana saw that. And it was like,

hmm, maybe we have lightning in a bottle here that we didn't really expect or see coming here. That's my theory. So none of this really surprises me. I don't necessarily agree with it, especially when you just take Mazadol completely out of the conversation because that seemed to be the trajectory where we're going here. Because what's the point of him fighting Gilbert Burns right now? It still matters,

but it has way less meaning now. Does it not? Like, it just seems so weird to make that decision to pull this trigger right now when this fight is three weeks away from happening. I mean, it's pretty important. It's important because, look, if Dana would have just been honest and be like, it doesn't matter what happens in Miami because we all are very aware Gilbert Burns is about to turn Horacello on a roadkill. I would have bought it. I'd be like, all right, cool.

They're at least being honest about what that fight's about to be. It matters because it means Horamospital gets to leave the rankings and not be relevant anymore because he will have lost like seven in a row or whatever it is at that point. But yeah, that's the part that gets me. Like, it's very weird how committed they are to this avenue. It's not as if it's going to like sell a million paper views either. That to me is like one of the most, maybe perhaps the most confusing thing. Like I understand Welterway, it's not a division full of stars. And maybe Colby is probably the biggest name sort of sitting around.

But he's not some Titanic name. Like he's not a Connor McGregor. He's not even a John Jones or anything like that. Like this is going to perform slightly better than whatever the alternative would have been. but it's not going to just go gangbusters at the box office. Welterweight sucks, frankly. Like, right? Like, the current welterweight,

the current upper echelon of welterweight right now, you have three people who actually deserve to be in title competition right now, and it's Gilbert Burnshop, Kopp, and Rahmanov and Bala Muhammad, and none of them are even close to it. Like, that's why welterweight sucks. Like, we're doing the thing that we did it lightweight, where we just shuffle through the same stuff over and over and over and over again. Like, it is what it is, man.

But if I'm Leon Edwards, I mean, kudos to Leon tonight for no selling every instance of it. I'm just being like, man, especially again, like what I said, like that guy, that guy of all guys, to be like, dude, dude, I sat here for so long, spinning my wheels, get nowhere in this division. And now you're just going to keep handing this dude gifts. Like, respect to Leon, because he's calling it like he sees it. And he's right. There's a bigger issue that we haven't touched on, which honestly, the biggest issue that anyone should have with this is. what if Colby wins? I'm not going to pick him to, but what if Colby wins?

Imagine the world where Colby Covington is your welterweight champion, not because it's morally bad or whatever. There are two options if Colby wins. Well, frankly, one of these options actually exist forever, and it's probably the most likely outcome, and I want to go lay down in traffic just thinking about it, and it's Connor McGregor getting a welterweight title fight after he beats Michael Chandler because Michael Chandler sucks.

That's probably going to happen anyway. We cut it. And that's just going to suck all of the air out of my life. But the other options, the other options, if Colby gets this fight and wins, is he fighting Shavkao Rakhmanov? God, no. He will never consent to that fight as the champion because he's not a fool. He's not fighting Shavkat.

He will either fight Kamaru a third time because the UFC forces hand. And Kamaro is like, oh, I have two. wins over the current champion, I should get it, which then puts us right back in this shitty room of, okay, can we get a new person to fight for the title, please? Or more likely, he will be like, I'm either fighting Connor or I'm fighting Alex Behara, Pereira slash Israel Disney slash the middleweight champion, because once that dude gets an undisputed belt, he's not defending it against Belal Muhammad. He's not fighting Shafkrat. He's not fighting He's not doing those things.

So it's, you are creating a world where it's, the outcome is can be bad. Like, that's bad matchmaking. You should not create a terrible dystopian future as 40% possibility. Like, what are we doing? It's just, it's so weird. Again, I'm not surprised. And for all you newer fans out there, the ones that jumped on like right at the beginning of the pandemic, welcome to the UFC. this is how it works there is we've been telling you the word deserves although dana used it in a certain

context when it came to colby cummington it doesn't matter that strike it from your vocabulary this is a money-making business they have a big debt to repay they're trying to just make fights that at least in their minds will sell so it's just it's just it's so funny to me the way that people try to frame because i i already see it happening my mentions i see it happening in the chat right now, y'all, we could see you. Like, the way people frame this conversation is like, y'all, you guys just don't like Colby. You guys just have our thing out for Kobe.

Like, no, man, is it really so much to ask to fight one person that is relevant in the division ever before you keep giving all this opportunity? Like, one person, fight one person in the UFC top 15, welterweight, who's not Jorge Massoud. And I will give you all the credit in the world and be like, yeah, Kobe deserves it. Because obviously, he's very talented. It's just you're skipping steps. in a way that is, again, like, we should be talking about Leon Edwards tonight.

Like, this should be about Leon Edwards. The headlines tomorrow should be about Leon Edwards. He just did an incredible feat. He just beat Kamara Usman twice in a row. Like, that's remarkable. And instead, Mr. We Don't Make Fights on Fight Night has unleashed this upon us. And now this is what half the focus is going to be. And it's just such a disservice to Leon, man.

Fight one person who's relevant, one person. And then we can all shut up. But, you know, it doesn't matter what we say. No one in the UFC beat Kamar Usman once. No one in the UFC beat Kamara Usman once. He goes out and beats him twice. It's absolutely, it's incredible. And again, I'm not surprised by this.

I've been throwing this narrative out for a while that if, if Leon wins and Gilbert Burns beats Jorge Mazadol, we are living in a world where Colby Covington can get a title shot. So none of this surprises me outside of just the, just being so emphatic about it, like right now, before that Mazadol-Burn's fight even happens, that were, nope, it's him, I don't, nothing else, anything could happen, anything. It could even be a boat, and he's still going to get the title shot.

The Colby Companyton versus Connor McGregor title fight in 2024 is just going to be. It's happening. Get ready. Get freaking ready. There is a realistic world where by the end of 2023, we have Henry Sehudo, the Bannamway champion, refusing to fight anyone other than Alexander Volcanovsky. We have Alexander Volcanov, the featherweight champion, refusing to fight anybody other than Islam Makachev.

Islam Markachev has already called for a fight with Leon, and God knows maybe he just decides that's going to be his new thing and is only fighting for the welterweight belt. Welterweight champion Colby Covington refusing to fight anybody, except for Alex Pereira, the middleweight champion. Pereira probably fighting Drickas Duplessi in the funniest fight. a matchful. Jamal Hill,

your undisputed light heavyweight champion who was ranked eight like three months ago but because a comedy of errors happened he suddenly is the champion while here he's still out and John Jones is the heavyweight champion.

What kind of nonsense world is this? What if crazy idea we just let deserving challengers let's just try it for like a year and see what happened. If we're just like, what if we're just like, hey, let's like guys who have been winning a lot of relevant fights.

Let's just see what happens. Maybe the divisions will shake out. It'll be cool. Then we'll be like, oh, this is fun and interesting new people fighting for the belt all the time. Great times. Love it.

It'd be great. I honestly desperately want that to happen. I want us to be in a world we are gridlocked in all of our titles because none of them want to fight people in their own divisions. It will be the perfect end. to Conner McGregor breaking the UFC in 2016.

You stole the words out of... This is all Connor's fault. It's all Conner's fault. That is the natural inevitable conclusion of what started in 2016 with the Connor situation. Us getting to this point. It almost is kind of nice. Dude, for 15 years, the UFC allowed one fighter to fight for a belt twice.

It was BJ Penn, and it was one time. And then they let Connor do it, and now it happens every week. And of course, if you keep letting it happen all the time, More people are going to keep wanting to do it. And then this is just where you're going to get. Yay. Bewhal, Malma, it gets Shavkat Rupmano, baby. Yeah.

You called that, you nailed it. Either way, he was getting Shavka. I said that 285. I was like, I don't know what you guys are hoping for. He's getting Shafka, man. Well, I knew if Leon one, he was getting Shafat. Yeah, I knew if Leon one, he was getting Shafkat. Even Bilal had said in interviews that if Liyad won.

he's probably going to have to fight at least one more time. And his best case scenario is that Oosman won and, you know, even called him out. But even then, like if Ousman had won, be the prize fighter, dude. Like, he probably just called with Olin O'Gregor, which he 1,000% should have. Get that bag before you ride off into the sunset. It's going to suck when he, like, beat Shafcott somehow and still doesn't get a title fight because Colby's fighting Connor for the welterweight belt. It's going to be incredible.

It's just a weird. The sport rules. I love this. Later this year when we're in a world where Jorge Mazvital and Kobe Covington have gotten five of the last, like, what, seven or eight title shots in this division? It's just, this is what we get. This is what we get. So that is the main event, the follow-out of the main event, at least for right now.

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like a different kind of barn burner because maybe we do have ourselves a new mythical fighter, nose breathing, Justin Gachie. The guy can breathe out of his nose, and he just looked like a different guy. like the chaos factor was still there, but he was landing jabs. He was moving around a lot. He was still doing Gachi things, but just, it just looks so cool and calm and mature and and calculated, a calculated Justin Gagy out there. And this fight was great.

Raphael Fiziv lost the fight, but his stock rose. This is just a tremendous battle. And Justin Gaci proved the man still has a chin on him. The man can still go. and he can still beat dangerous fighters like Raphael Fiziv. So now that we've had a couple of hours to digest it, your reaction to Justin Gagey's just massive win tonight against Raphael Viziv. You ain't lying, Mike, heck.

The may can still go. The fact that this dude is still out here giving us absolute bangers at this point in his career and frankly, looking like better than he has in a really long time, is quite impressive to me. I mean, we were on the watch party for this. Every Justin Gachy fight is, must see television.

And this was no exception. But also, as you said, like this was a really kind of refined, improved Justin Gagy. I love the mythical fighter aspect to this, because he was so, he told the line perfectly between hitting the chaos,

mashing that chaos button and just being a more measured patient approach when he needed to against Haphael Faziv. And the whole thing was just spectacular theater. Like, at this point, for Justin Gagey to consistently be able to give these,

high quality, all-out war of attrition over and over and over and over again throughout his career for as long as he has. Like I said it earlier in the night, but put this man on the Mount Rushmore for the most entertaining fighters in the history of sport and he will be there forever. Like no one is ever kicking him off of that top four spot when it comes to that mountain rushboard. He's there for life and he deserves it and he has given so much of himself to this sport for our entertainment.

And it's just, it's wonderful to see men. It really is. To me, that was his most impressive performance since, what, like 2020, the Tony Ferguson fight when they kind of broke the pandemic. And we saw this, this, you know, the full, complete performance from Justin in that fight. But even in that fight, I don't know, man. I was just blown away because we've been, we've been banging the drum, especially

Jed and I, you and I, in particular, I've been banging the drum here at Lightweight about how Lightway was so weirdly clogged up where it's almost what we were just saying to once away. The same few guys at the top are only fighting each other. They're refusing to fight down. They're refusing to give these guys. like a happy of his eve the opportunity to make moves up the division so therefore we're sort of stuck into the same landscape and that really elite tier for you know on and on and on endlessly

and this felt like maybe the one of the first few detours we've had from that where you had a guy of fazeve get an opportunity against one of these other statesmen and he you know it was like almost like it was going to be the the beginning of the uncorking at 155 and all those obituaries that everyone's been writing about justin for the past 10 months Way too premature, man, way too premature. I still wouldn't say that this man is going to capture a UFC title in his career. I mean, if he did tomorrow, he would be the oldest UFC lightweight champion ever. It sort of feels like that moment in his life has maybe passed him.

But he certainly still matters in a real, real relevant way. And to be able to consistently pull out these fight of the year contenders, that's not going to end up winning fight of the year by any stretch. He already has three, so it's not like he needs another one. But to be able to put on these type of fights over and over again, just you cannot say enough good things about Justin Gage. I was so supremely impressed from that. Jed, from a betting perspective,

even though people are trying to kind of point you in different directions, you just couldn't quit Justin Geichi. You just couldn't quit on them, especially when you have a plus 200, I think it closed at a plus 205 or 215 or 215 maybe, something crazy. And then he goes out and delivers a great performance. I mean, work the body, the leg kicks were nasty,

he's working the jab, like physique was bust. it up in this fight. And it wasn't like Gachi just went bananas on him. He just had a very methodical approach. I mean, he looked really good tonight. And I thought Gachi won the fight. I didn't think there's any controversy there. One of the scorecards

was weird. Giving Gachie a 10-8 third round was kind of bizarre. It was a great round for him. It was the most clear round of the fight, in my opinion. But 10-8 seemed a little egregious, but your reaction to Gage's performance and him being able to beat Raphael Fiziv and just kind of outlast

a powerhouse and an up-and-comer. Two scorecards were because one judge gave Gagee the first round, which I think is a pretty bad scorecard. He didn't win the first round. It was awesome. That's sort of the ideal, Justin Gachie fight.

He fought a guy who is a better technical striker than him, has more tools, but found a way to blend, you know, moments of technical fighting with moments of roughhouse Gichi nonsense. And the fact that he won the fight with a jab functionally, turning into that late an adjustment jab, not even like,

this is going to be a hallmark of our game. Blew my mind. I mean, that fight was really competitive. Even the third round was competitive, but the momentum had clearly swung if there were two more, physique was wearing it on the face. His leg was all sorts of torn up. He found the thing that I said going into the fight.

Like, it did not, it would not have shocked me if Gacy's chin was gone. He'd been in too many wars. He did not react well to olivar's shots. So it wouldn't have killed me. Like, I'd been like, okay, well, that's just what it is. And this is how this fight went. His chin is very clearly not gone. He ate bombs and just kept right on plugging away.

And what I said was, like, I agree, Fazeev is, is the more technical fighter. Like, if this is a technical boxing match. But Gachi has a really good way. of making fights into these sorts of moments of chaos and car crashes, as he calls them. And not a lot of people are going to win car crash fights with Justin Gaci. He hits too hard. He mixes his strikes too well, and he's too damn tough. Like, it's been done, but Eddie Alvarez arguably was never the same after the Justin Gae fight.

Dustin Porey is about the only person who's ever fought Justin Gaci and has actually not looked diminished after it and it's just it is just a tough ass to say you are going to march through hell and come out clean on the other side I thought this fight was going to be ugly even if Fiziv won but ugly fights where Gachi thrives and he I thought he won the fight I scored it 2928 for him

and I think that that's the correct scorecard if you gave it for Fiziv it's not awful but pride rules certainly Justin Gachi wins that fight it's just it's just the pace like the pace is like breathtaking to watch even at this point like i i have i'm an arizona guy i've said this before like i've seen justid rise up the ranks i was there for some some rage at the cage fights i was there for a lot of his wSOf fights especially the phoenix ones the fact that he has been able to do this for as long as he has and frankly is not a diminished version of himself yet and continues to get better is astounding and defies

logic in a lot of ways because he is someone who took such an extraordinary amount of damage before he even got to the UFC. Like a lot of his hardest fights have actually been pre-UFC where he was just getting in these Palomino type awful wars that would just, you would imagine. Paloino fights were insane. Dude, I was in the building for both of those

and it was one of, I've, you know, I've been in the building for plenty of UFC events and those two fights were some of the most hellacious, just events that I have seen up close personal, like fights, action, extreme. amounts of damage on just a human being. The fact that he is still doing this and able to continue to put these pace

on these fools and just come out here and just not let you breathe. Because it's not just like he's walking you down. It's not just like he's throwing punches and bunches. It's the leg kicks too, man. It's just the constant stream of chopping down every ounce of your body while taking the wind

out of you, just not giving you a second to figure out what the hell is going on. It's magic. It's absolute magic to watch. It's again, thank you, a million thank you to Justin Gage, for giving this to us as many times as he has, because it doesn't make sense. It frankly doesn't make sense that he's still capable of doing this.

She's the most exciting fighter in history. I don't think it's a discussion. I think the only other person I'm willing to hear a case for is Robbie Loller, and I think that this is in stone. Justin Gage is the most exciting fighter in history. And you know what's the funniest part of his career? Because I pulled up his resume, I never fails to make me laugh.

Nick Newell fought this dude. The WS. Let's take the one-armed fighter, the wonderful heartwarming story, and have him fight Justin friggingeachie. It is insane. Just. That was as close as you'll get to see in a murder on like national primetime. I remember when that fight was announced and the forums were like, what the hell are they doing?

This is the worst idea I've ever heard. and it went just as bad as you thought it would. God, he has had a remarkable career. Let me pose the question to you because I like that you brought up Robbie Lawler. Because to me, when you talk about the two most exciting guys in history of sport, it's easily them to and then everybody else sort of is in a different tier, at least in the high level, right? Like you got regional dudes who would just be maniacs for the point of being maniacs.

But like in terms of real potential championship caliber guys at this high level, it's low to. Who at their, if you just, if you just, just took like their Mount Rushmore of fights of all action fights who's who's is better like whose top four prime excitement fights is better between those two um it's going well one can we just take a moment to think about justing gaitie versus robbie luller just let's just bask in that for a hot because I thought that's where you're going with this and I some things happened in my soul

when I thought about that one some things happened guys I was telling you that is can you imagine a more guaranteed fight of the year than those two prime peak going at it I would pay $500 to watch that fight

no bullshit I'm like let's go honestly if Gatchi had lost tonight I would have been like please make this fight happen I don't care if Robbie's passed it, let's just do it. Let's strike while we can, because good God, that is the fight that I need.

If you're going just the top four, it's so tough. My issue is that Robbie has, Robbie has the Trump of Condit being the greatest fight of all time. Like that is, Gaghi doesn't have the greatest. I think the Rory fight is, but the fact that he has two that are in that conversation.

Two that are in the top five. pretty undeniably, which is tough because Gaichi has three fight of the years. I mean, Robbie also has three fight of the years, but Gaichi's fight of the years aren't that they're not the greatest fight of all time. So, but after that, Robbie has a lot of awesome fights. But I think, I think Robbie probably has the top two of four, but the next two probably go to Gaichi because, like, outside of Rory and Condit, like, the Hendricks fights are obviously are very good, but I don't, the Hendricks fights are.

not as viscerally exciting as Justin Ghi versus Dustin Porea. Palomino, Johnson. Palomino. Yeah. Now, the difference. There is maybe something to be said that all of Robbie's most exciting fights were five-rounders, whereas Gaechie has not been that way because his two UFC title fights did not go very long and were among his worst performances.

So if you're just head to heading them in their top four, I think. it's that but if you're going time in time out over the balance of their career it's i think jace he's just he's literally never not been in a fight that is awesome which is it that's not a possible thing he has fought 28 times 28 times there is no other fighter who hasn't turned in one dud one dud in 28 goes like that is insane and the fact that he said after it too he said after the fight and his speech, like, I wasn't trying to do that this time. I feel like he says that every time. He's like, I'm not trying to do this.

This is who I am. He can't help himself. And it makes him the best. Dude, even long before all of this, in Raging the Cage, he was still this guy. Like, he was still doing this to people in Raging the Cage, except it was just like plumbers and dudes who worked at Sears as cashiers. So they couldn't hold up to it. It was just, it's tough.

It's completely tough. Dude, I, I remember in Sherdog like forever ago. I guess it was like 2010, or 2011, 2012. The great Jordan Breen was talking about him from like raging the cage. It was like, just wait till you guys see this dude. He's the first guy I've ever seen who was like invented wall and ground and pound where he just puts you into the fence and just beats the hell out of your legs. while you stand in the fence.

It's like, okay, I'm excited. And then for the rest of his career, he's been the greatest fighter I've ever seen. It's awesome. He deserves all the money, all of the money. All of the money. It is the ultimate indictment on MMA

of Justin Gachy does not retire with millions in his bank account. So, I didn't want to do this. He actually might end up being the first, like, fighter who's in the Hall of Fame like five times. Because he'll probably get in just for, being him and three of his fights are going in for sure if not more like he's going to be the first

guy who gets like six different speeches over seven years or something it's going to be incredible the way you guys speak about justic gachi is the way everybody speaks about justa geachie including the ufc brass so i don't want to bring this up but since the big storyline coming out of it is just weird divisional shaping shaheen after watching Watching how that fight played out, the reaction that Justin Gachie continues to get, no matter what he does, getting a victory like this, if you're Benile Darius right now, are you thinking, uh-oh? No. You're not, you don't think there's like any, he's in jeopardy at all of not getting a title shot next. I mean, everybody's in jeopardy.

Like this is just, it doesn't, none of this follows any sort of logic except for just what people are feeling on the. moment. But no, I mean, I'm not going to will that into existence because as much as I love Justin, like, it's just not a thing that makes a lot of sense. And we just talked about how this was the first step in the great unclogging that we have going on in the best division in the whole entire sport. So I'm just going to continue on that path. I think we should continue the great unclogging. I think Justin Gage should fight Matea's Gamrod because that's another guy who deserves more opportunities at the top echelon of this division at this point. Like, let's just keep giving people opportunities rather than running back Dustin Porre for the second time, which is what I've

seen most people suggesting. Which is probably going to happen. Jed, your response. This is not. This is nonsense. I love Shaheen. This is nonsense, right? Like this is, I said this before.

He wins this fight. He's fighting Dustin Porriere. And I'm with you on an unclogging divisions. I'm going to make an exception when the fight they're going to make, it will be the 20-23 fight at the year. You know how I can say that? because the last time they fought is fight of the year. It's not like they're going to be any different.

They're going to do the same shit. It's going to kick the same amount of ass. It's going to be the best fight you've ever seen. So he's just going to add one more. It's not going to happen. Poirier doesn't have anybody else. Poetie is not going to unclog the division. Dachy's the only guy he's going to fight.

And as to your original question, Mike, look, I'm to some extent, I'm wishing. Like, shouldn't worry because if he beats Charles Oliver, it should be signed seal. delivered. That being said, he should be worried because if Connor McGregor decides he doesn't want a welterweight title fight,

a lightweight title fight, Islam's already kind of said that he'd fight Connor and if Connor beats Michael Chandler, the U.S. He's going to give him the choice. Would you rather fight 155 or 170? My guess is Connor will look at this and say I'd rather fight Islam because

it's a, you know, that I can win that fight. He's like Khabib and I believe I can beat Habib and Leon's much bigger than me and that will be tough. But we'll see what's in Conner's mind. I think he thinks he can beat Islam more effectively than he can beat Leon, but I don't know that for a fact. I also think he's more interested in fighting Islam than fighting Leon.

But I could be wrong. I'm not in Connor's mind. So I'm not willing to say on that. I'm just saying Benial should be concerned that Connor is in the equation, not not the Gaichi Porier, which they'll be up next, assuming Connor doesn't fight for a title. The winner of that fight gets the next one. I feel like Connor McGregor, for, you know, you can say whatever you want about Connor McGregor, he has pretty decent.

Okay, I'm going to, I was about to say self-awareness, but I also don't know that that's true. So I'm not going to say that. But I feel like he has a good assessment of some type of things, and he fought Habib. And I think he understands that he's not going to win that fight against Islam, where he can look at a guy like Leon who's it's going to be a stand-up fight for the most part, at least in his mind. And so I think he would be like,

yeah, that's the one that I want. Also, I think the cachet of being the first three-division UFC champion, far outweighs just being like the guy who won the title twice at 155 in his mind at least. Yeah, I don't think the first part of you said is correct. I'm going to disagree with you. But you're actually dead correct. I forgot the thought of being the first triple champion.

That's, yeah, he'll just try and fight Leon. So, okay, actually maybe Benny's okay. Just beat Jackie Olives. You'll finally get your title fight. Woo-hoo. It'll be the last meritorious title fight the UFC ever gives out. We're not doing that anymore. That's not what we're about these days.

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Jennifer Myel great. Casey O'Neill will come back. It was a fun fight. Jennifer Maya, just she looked really good and beat Casey O'Neill, unanimous decision. Martin Vittory, Roman Delizzi had themselves a fun scrap. Much more fun than I thought that fight was going to be, but Vittori gets a decision.

The O2 Arena crowd did not agree with said decision, but Marl Vittory gets a much-needed victory, and there were some interesting things on the prelims as well. So we'll take some questions from the peeps, but Chehine, I know you're going to be doing a takeaways article for M.A.fighting. We talked about the major storylines here. I was waiting for you to say that, Jed. But, Jehid, one other takeaway that is just not going to get any shine come Monday or Tuesday with all these storylines that came out of this card outside of the main event and the co-main event and some of the weird matchmaking.

I like the way you frame that. I will say just to put a pin, a little cherry on top of the conversation we just finished, it will be a crime if both of these both or one of these men retire without seeing them fight each other Connor McGregor versus Justin Gage in a just girl world would be the next fight for both guys after regardless of what happens with McGregor Chandler like Connor versus Justin like we we crap on Connor for whatever you know throughout his career he's had a various odd career just generally over the last like five years but dude still one of the most exciting fighters that the UFC has ever seen just every

fight of his is a bar for the most part yeah like him and Justin has been sitting there forever I would just really love to see that before uh before we call it quits on all this just saying uh note from the the night that we haven't mentioned so far. I don't think anybody else will mention this. And growing up, he was my favorite fighter of all times, so I'm going to mention it. Anderson Silva, finally getting his place in the UFC Hall of Fame,

probably a year or too late. He should have been there, you know, the moment, the day he retired. But regardless, the fact that he is there, very well deserved. I think I had said it on Twitter, but I have a real sense, and especially felt this during the Jake Paul lead up and just hearing the conversation around that. time that the current MMA landscape doesn't have a good sense

of who Anderson Silva is, what he meant to the sport, and really what he meant to just the history of the UFC and just all of this, history of that division. That man was the peak of you had to be there to see it. And the aura that he brought into a lot of these fights, especially once he was established

as Anderson freaking Silva, was unlike anything that I have ever witnessed as a sports fan, as a combat sports fan, as whatever you want to put it, however you want to frame it. Anderson Silva, if he had retired right after the Stefan Bonner fight, and I think we probably talked about this on, Damn, we were good. Damn, they were good.

Great show, by the way. You should check it out. The Justin Gagey episode of Damme, they were good. It's going to be an all-timer. I won't in on that. I cannot wait. But if Anderson Silva had walked away right after that Stephen Bonner fight, we would have never had a goat conversation or debate ever again

for the rest of this sports history because that would just be at that point. so inarguable that this man was the greatest talent that we'd ever seen. Like John Jones could do whatever and it would still have been Anderson Silva and John would have said that it's still Anderson. Like that's just one of those examples of be walking away at the perfect time. It's so hard to do. But just Anderson's over getting his spot now in the UFC Hall of Fame. One of the greats to ever do it.

Again, my favorite fighter growing up, the man who convinced me that wizardry is real, that some people are just like supernatural. Well deserved, a long time coming and I'm really looking forward. to see in his acceptance speech later this year in July because I think that's going to be a really cool moment for everyone to reflect on what this man meant.

Am I crazy? Can we talk about this for a second? Am I crazy that it's weird he's going into the Pioneer's wing? I think it's very weird. He's going to be the only other dude who's in the neighborhood of when he made his UFC debut

is Big Nag. And Big Nagg had an extensive pride career that is really the bulk of why he is revered and in the hall. Anderson Silva was like the bulk of his career that became Anderson Silva and all the stuff you were talking about was 06. Oh, like BJ Pin made his UFC to do like five years before and he's in the modern wing. I don't I don't get why he's in the pioneer wing. That's very, very weird to me.

He's like the first modern UFC fighter. Who knows? Does that even really matter? It seems weird. No, because I feel like it kind of does. Because when you look at like the demarcating line, it looks like, oh, here are eras. And they have just slotted him into an era that's not his. He is a modern fighter.

The first modern guy feels like he should be in the modern wing. Maybe no one else cares. But to me, it's very, very odd. I get where you're coming from. He's a Hall of Famer. And once he gets inducted, it's just going to be he's the Hall of Famer. Anderson Silva, not he's the pioneer winged Hall of Famer Anderson Silva.

You know what I mean? Also, I get where you're coming from. Yeah. What a, what a class. We got this. Joseph Algo Anderson Silva, Jen's Pulver. My God, man, that's unfreak and denial. That is a hell of the lineup. Two of the

five best fighters of all time and then a legitimate pioneer that matters like very substantively to the sport, undeniable. Yeah. Jed, What's your low-key takeaway from this card? We talked about it coming in. This was a two-fight card.

So I'm just going to take an opportunity to show a little love to somebody who not a soul is going to be talking about this today, tomorrow, forever. Did he get a bonus? Who were the bonuses? What garbage? Oh, my God. He didn't even get a bonus.

God love Gotti Nelson. and phenomenal performance, and Jake Hadley, a very good one as well. You're telling me, Yadol Ashma's just killing a man. There you go. Killing a man with a colleague. That left hook while Sam Patterson is dying. Look, I'm sad that Yudal has taken away my hope for a 6-3 versus 6-3 lightweight fight between Sam Patterson and Jalen Turner.

But still, he nuked this man. How is that not worthy of a bonus? and I knew nobody else was going to talk about him because it was a prelim fight between debutants and no one's going to care. But we should all remember it because that was sick and I think Herb Dean was the referee, or was that Mark Goddard?

Whoever was the referee probably cost Sam Patterson a couple of memories later on in life, but it was awesome. That fight ruled, or that performance ruled. The fight wasn't a fight, but it was a dope smashing.

Dude, Mark Otter was that. The way he caught that left hook as Patterson was falling down. That's like Hollywood-esque. Like that's a John Wick movie move. Like that's, that was crazy to watch in real time. And predatory finishing on the ground.

Like he didn't need any of them. They were super unnecessary after that left hook going down. But he just laid the wood on Patterson on the floor. Like I am now, I come out of this event being like, okay, Leon's a champ, cool. Justin Gage, the man, whatever. and I would like to see more of

you know, Al Ashmaas, please. That would make me very pleased to watch him continue fighting. Oh, look, lightweight, got another one, sick. Yeah. I want to just briefly shout out the Shane Burgos Billy Q Award winners for UFC 286,

Lorone Murphy and Gabriel Santos. That fight was friggin awesome. Great fight. Great debut for Santos. Tough fight for Lorone Murphy to come back to. It's almost like, It was kind of unfair in a lot of ways, bringing that guy in on short notice. It was super bad matchmaking.

But it was a great fight, and Lorone Murphy won. So his own continues, and Gabriel Santos's stock, even in a loss, went up in a big way. So great fight. Love that fight. But no one's going to be talking about it this week. So I wanted to give a shine to those guys. All right, let's bring in the bad of stash at MMA, E.K.C. Liding. We'll take a few questions and put a bow on this for now.

I'm sure the conversation regarding UFC 286 will continue throughout next week, for sure, leading into UFC San Antonio. But what are people talking about, Casey? Oh, geez. Okay. I bet it's a lot of mad. I bet there's a lot of big mats in there. I had to turn some moderation on in the comments. It was getting kind of dumb in there.

But yeah, that's what we, that's big pay-per-view. I'm glad you stay in your boys, guys. Love the fighters you love. Personally, if I'm going to love somebody that much, it's going to be somebody like Justin Gaitchew who has only ever delivered happiness and joy when he fights. But if you want to love other people, that's, you know, love is love. That's what they say.

I'll turn my light on. All right, all right. Also, while we're waiting, can we didn't. While we're waiting, can we just, Muhammad Mahiyev is an incredible human being for surviving that as long as he did. And really just like winning the fight two minutes later, like if I was to show you the screencap that everyone posted on Twitter, Instagram, or whatever, and then be like, hey, who do you think won that fight two minutes later?

There's no way you're picking the dude whose knee is getting twisted in ways that knees should not get twisted. Like I have a bad need. I have a bad knee from Jiu-Jitsu for the rest of my life. I can't run because of my knee is so bad. And watching that is the purest kind of nightmare fuel that you could possibly feed me. That was utterly ridiculous. That man has no quit, not an ounce of quit in him.

Yeah, it was, that was what I loved that fight. I loved his wrestling. I loved grappling. I thought that was an awesome fight. That's the problem with these like really 15 fight cards. It's on a big pay-per-view. So many great performances get just simply forgotten, including glad Jed mentioned it,

because I actually forgot. The, I forgot his name. Ginalashmas? You know, yeah. Yeah. Wow. And then that was so scary, too. Afterward, I,

San Patterson, he, he probably still thinks he's in a fight right now. Like four hours later. Dude, he was, he was scrapping for a bit there. There was that clip this morning from like a ACA fight or whatever. Yeah,

Copa fired it out where the dudes like actively clinch fighting the referee. A good 45 seconds. after the fight stopped. Yeah. His brain was cool. Like, he got out of the brain clearly got shut off and is restarting and trying to put it together. Same exact thing from St. Patterson. Yeah.

I got to admit, though, when I see knockouts like that, and especially how Patterson reacted to that, myself, someone who's like trying to actively look for a fight, that kind of scares me, honestly. I'm like, that, that just must be a just horrific nightmare to wake up in. You know, when you're knocked out and just. Oh, he definitely. isn't remembering anything. Well, he didn't wake up.

The lights are on. Nobody's home at that point, Casey. But at some point, reality kind of comes back and it must be just, because I know I've passed out a few times for submissions. Maybe now. Maybe, yeah,

yeah, four hours later. So he might be getting in now, but like it would not at all shock me. It was like, I woke up on Tuesday because, I mean, you hear fighters say that.

Like, I don't remember anything until I'm riding in the ambulance to the hospital. and having a conversation with my wife. Like, you were conscious. You didn't wake up. Like, yeah, I just don't remember it. Yeah. It's a tough sport.

Yeah, I just feel fans, media, fighters. Everyone just needs reminders sometimes of how freaking dangerous this is. And I think Gathe talked about that. It's like might not be the most dangerous sport, but it's the most violent sport. And it's just, that's what we saw. It just, and it was uncomfortable, but wow, look cool. And that's, and sorry to go back to what we just talked about for 20 minutes, but that's what makes Justin so incredible to me is that in a sport that is the most violent sport,

to be the most violent man in the most violent sport. Like you have to take that to such extreme levels of violence. And to do it so consistently, like we're never going to get another Justin Gachie. Like a lot of fighters are carbon copies of others. I pity the poor soul who's trying to be a carbon copy of Justin Gachie, because that will not work for 99 out of 100 human beings. Yeah, 99, 9,000, yeah, I know what you're saying. Yeah, 100%.

Okay, to the questions, sorry. We're right about that question. No, we've all been kind of crapping on the Colby thing, but... Where do you rank Colby at 170? I can answer this right now. I have my rankings up because I'm working on them. I currently have Colby ranked number eight at 170. Honestly, he could be a lot lower, but...

He has one win in three years, and it's Horamoss for all who's not ranked. So I have him in number eight as well. I'm looking at my rankings, but those are also global rankings. So we have Amosov in there and a couple other guys. And literally, Amosov's the only guy I have above him that's not in the UFC. Well, here the people, me and you have different order, but the same people above him. So I'll just list that for the people. Shafcott, Rugmanoff, Gilbert Burns, Amosov, Balaamah, Muhammad, Hamzat, Kamaro,

on all of whom have fought people pretty recently like that's all that's frankly what it is like you just can't camp on your spot and stay as a top rank guy in my eyes like you have to defend that spot at some point and he just hasn't yep i'm at four four so ranking wise people have him somewhere up up there too so i probably am right that that that ghee has him three okay or had him he may adjust but he has him three. Ranking-wise, is the title shot justified, ranking-wise? In the UFC rankings? Yeah, theoretically, sure.

He's number two in the UFC rankings. But that doesn't, I don't even acknowledge that as a conversation because who makes the UFC rankings? Not one of us could name a single person on that panel and none of them, I mean, I'm sorry, I'm sure they're all very nice people, but not one of them actually contributes to this space in any, like, real way, right? Who's in that panel? In the defense of that argument, Colby Covington.

is our number four ranked welterweight as it currently stands. Things may adjust again after this ranking cycle, but he's top five, top five guy that the champion hasn't fought, the guys above him, Usman, not going to fight again, and Hobbsat Shimaev,

who theoretically is never competing at 170 again. So there's an argument from the ranking standpoint. I just don't give a shit about that argument. And that's not germane to Colby. That's germane to everybody. Like, I don't care what your number is unless the champion has cleaned out the division

and it's just, I'm looking for it. Like, I care about that when it comes to Alexander Volcanovsky because he simply hasn't beaten most of the top featherweights. He just beat Max a bunch. But if the division isn't cleaned out, if it's not like we're searching for someone, pick a guy with a number, then give me somebody who's been active in fighting.

Again, you set it a bunch. I just don't think it's a huge ass to want Colby to beat a relevant welterweight. The same way I don't think it's a big ass to want steepate to beat a relevant heavyweight or anybody. It's just how I approach this. all right uh i know it just got announced and we're going to be talking about it a lot but who is your early predict what's your early predictions i'm going to assume i mean honestly honestly colby might win that fight you know like colby's a very good fighter no no one's

saying that yeah i think i'll pick coby too no one's saying that cobbies not a an amazing excellent top tier elite welterway like he obviously is it's just every there are there are a Lots of dudes in that division with better resumes than him. That's all. I'm picking Leon. Leon's, that Kumar Usman's a better wrestler than Colby. And Leon really shut that down. It's not saying Colby can't win it.

He's a different wrestler than Colby, right? Like, Colby's a lot more of a chain wrestling, relentless type of wrestling. Like, he's not going to, I don't know. To me, it's not comparable in terms of the wrestling, defense, offense matchup there. Yeah, but I'm sure in that. in the wrestling, but Kamar is a better control position grappler than Colby is.

He's never been very good at keeping people down. He's just relentless on the takedowns. He's also a little bit more of a shot double guy. Leon's 30 and he appears to be leveling up. Like I think Shavkot's going to beat him, but I think there's a very, well, one, Horace Maltau, who I think isn't very good, like hurt him. So that's concerning to some degree. There's a very good argument that Colby Covington isn't good anymore.

I'm sure he's fine. But again, we haven't seen him beat anybody good. And we've only seen him fight like three times in three years. I'm picking Leon in the dark because Leon has had a tremendous performance tonight. Yeah. When we talk about Kobe, I know it's different, but I almost get Dominic Reyes vibes where like, well, he almost beat the champ. So I guess he's as good as a champ. but I get what you're saying but

I mean that's that's the number one thing on his resume like what's the best win A close loss. A close loss yeah It's just um Is it as Mazadol is Mazadol the best win he has Because that's no RDA is a buddy A in 2018 Oh yeah yeah it's still the best yes that's the best win

You're asking that says it all then yeah I don't know it is So we're talking five years ago Your mileage can vary on the tire Woodley win. Like, she did no Tyron was a shot at that point in that.

You know? Well, yeah. That's what we've been saying the whole time. I don't, I disagree with you, Casey, though, like, I think

Colby's better than Dominic Reyes. Yeah, I'm just going to throw it out there as far as comparison. I don't really, I don't really think they're the same,

but yeah. Yeah, I mean, there is the idea of him, him elevating himself in a loss, which happens from time to time. I'm generally against it because losses aren't wins,

but, you know, that's how people go. All right. Uh, where does, my go? What do you do with Casey? I mean, I'll answer the Maya question tomorrow.

I have no frigging clue. My Lord Murphy would make a lot of sense. I mean, this is a big, a big opportunity for Casey tonight, and I don't say she blew it, but, you know, it didn't go her way. How big a

setback is this for? Or is this more just, all right, well, because let me, everyone is pretty high on her. It's not a huge one. just because she's still young she's only 25 so there's it was it was a good and it was a competitive loss yeah she you know she stayed fighting i mean she lost cleanly but she's only 25 so it's not like a huge it's it's a prospect loss right you take a step back with her easy yeah case is fine you take a step back whether she fights maybe somebody unranked or somebody at the very back end of the 15 and you're

you're okay you kind of move forward especially case you coming off the loss maya is a much trickier proposition um you think of tylus santos no i don't think you can do it just because Maya lost in Chukagian last year. If she beat Santos, then she's like oddly in this thing. I think you got to kill her. And so you do Jessica and Drodge. And you're just like, all right, let's end this Jennifer. Unless you're going to make her fight back again.

Jessica's not a flyweight anymore. Is that true? Are we committed to that? I'm pretty sure she's going back to straw weight. Okay. Okay, then yeah. If she gets to fight up because she's got two in a row, she fights Lauren Murphy.

That makes sense. haven't fought before. I don't think. If you're going to make her fight back one more time, which isn't also terrible, you know, Macy Barber or whoever is fine. That's not a bad one. That's not a bad one. I don't like, I don't mind that. Casey O'Neill versus Joanne Wood is the fight to make. Sure. Reasonable? I go with that. Last fight on Joe, last fight on Joanne's deal. There's some heat between these two. There's a storyline between these two. They don't like each other. Just giving away Otno beforehand. I'm not going to pick it for Kay.

I'm not going to pick for Casey on Ot, no. So there's your bonus pick. You're pretty good at this matchmaking thing, Mike. Yeah. She'd have a show. Maybe on the MLA Fighting Podcast Network. Great network. Great network.

Great network. All right. Did you do? Take a couple more. Uh-oh. When the lights cut off in the octagon, did you think Undertaker was going to pop up when they came back on? That was before.

with the Mahaya fight, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's like right. Yeah, right when they were about to start. Yeah. That was, wow. That was hilarious. It would have been awesome if either of the men had just crossed the cage, like, in the dark.

And we're just like, all right, when the lights come back on, you'll be weird-necked choking me. And everyone would be like, what just happened? It counts. Because they were like, swimming in the lead up, too. Just sitting there and mount. Yeah. Have you ever seen that?

I've never seen lights go out during a fight. I wonder what like, do they just, is there anything in the rules that say you have to have lights? Is it in the rules? I don't know. That's my question. Almost certainly. Almost certainly the answer is the fight is stopped immediately and passed. I don't know.

I don't see it written down anywhere. I just kind of wish that that had happened like one minute later. Yeah, I know. Just to figure out. Oh, man. That's what I mean. Just for the chaos of it. Yeah.

You just the lights turn on. somebody's locked out. Yeah, like it was right during an exchange and it happened. Whoever kicked that came out, timing was off. Right when he had in the hive's leg in that bad position, then the lights go out. He's in the choke when he comes back on? Yeah. The referee is unconscious.

He was just pro wrestling smile. There's a steel chair in the cage. There's a chair in the cage. I don't know what happened. This guy got. It was mentioned by Bisbing, but I thought it was kind of weird. You get a tough night. Oh, yeah.

Just peeing out of parts of your liver during fight week, confirmed best base for getting finished by body shot. I don't. You know what we talk about? I know. My question for Donna, my question for Donna, my question for Donna,

extra large, great photo. Do you think your liver is on your hip? Because you may want to invest in some questions about anatomy. Your liver is not your hip. That was the quote was, my hips not where I pee or whatever. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no. No, no. He's talking about Malcolm Gordon. It was mentioned about Malcolm Gordon and why he missed Wade that he was like peeing up. Oh. Oh, I'm, I did not catch that part. I thought, I thought we were talking about the body.

That was a weird part. Hand up. Hand up. I screwed up. My bad Deneerich Shlar. I thought we were talking about the peeing out of your hip line. Yeah, that was another one. There's another Bisming. Yeah. Bissing was really killing it tonight. Yeah, so Bissing basically said that Malcolm, he ran to Michael, Malcolm Gordon after the way-ins in.

Actually, Mike, what did he say? You probably heard it a little bit. I kind of heard parts of it. You remember? It was something like that. It was weird. Like the peeing parts of the liver thing, I was just like, what?

That was weird. And then I went on Twitter and everybody was saying the same thing. And then Hadley just. ripped him to the body and he collapsed. So, yeah, I would say it's a pretty good base for a body shot being an opening. Yeah, it kind of sounded like, you know, you don't take the fight. That's what it sounded like for Malcolm Gordon. But, yeah, that's what happens.

Speaking of your wife. Can we talk about Gaichi just coming from my man's neck in his post-fight press conference? he had shots up for for bidsping tonight what was that about was bisman bad in commentary during his fight or was it just about the main event that he was like mad he was mostly mad about camaro because him and comaro boys i mean okay camar lost like i don't think was bisman bad during the main event i didn't feel like he was awful there they didn't have a great night overall but it didn't seem like they were awful during the main event but i was doing other stuff so i thought dc did did good did good on the analysis of the main event, especially with the wrestling against the wall and Leon's hand risk control of Kamara. I thought I kind of learned a lot.

When DC kind of gets in the zone and pays attention to the wrestling part of the game, it was, I thought he did a great job. But he seemed to be okay tonight. Bisping had some, like for sure the knee to the hip thing, that felt not ideal from Bissing. That one felt a lot like Bissing was standing. But I thought D.C. was pretty good tonight. Also, just real quick, to close the loop and amend something we said earlier,

CS Racing Report out here in the comments points out, Macy Barber is actually booked for next week against AGP Lee. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'll fight the winner of that. Fight the winner of that. Boom. There we go.

We're done. Settled. Easy game to show you how much I'm paying attention to next weekend's card. Oh, San Antonio card, right? Is that next week? Yeah. And so there's a women's, two women's band-in-weight fights. That's more than like all of 2022 on one fight card.

Now we're rolling. Now things are rolling. Speaking of women, when Dana White talked about his little slap show he's working on, and he goes, oh, we have a matchmaker. And she's a woman, actually. I thought that was the weirdest thing he ever said. I was like. I don't know.

He said a lot of weird things. There was a lot of weird things, but that one really stuck out. And she's a woman, actually. I'm like, okay. All right. Oh, next week we get Alex Perez, Manel Kopp. Yep. Manel Kopp.

Okay, most of this card is bad, but that is sweet. You just did funny things to Casey by mentioning Kopp. Yeah, you saw that. And Alex Perez. It's going to be awesome. That is a good thing. That's the feeling I had when I thought about Justin Gaci and Robbie Lawler fighting. Is that feeling you just experienced, like.

I wanted to chime in and just say, my first experience of Robbie Lauder was when I was working for Leadytec. And he fought Ninja Hua in Hawaii. And I was actually shooting kind of like B-roll, kind of like we use it for the promos of the fights and stuff, of the actual fights. And I'm shooting cage side. And that was the first time I just went and Robbie Laal almost killed Ninja Whoa to the point where I think of Steve Mazagadi. It was after he was just punching me in the head. And he actually looks at the, he looks at my Zagari, like, why are you making me kill this man? And I was like, I just go, oh, my God, I love Robbie Lauder.

It was just, it was the most amazing, violent thing I've ever seen. And then I saw Scott, don't forget, Scott Smith fights, too. They were awesome, too. So I'm glad we have so much Robbie Laudor talk today. I wasn't expecting this. This is exciting. He's the only guy who can even make a case against Chesa Bucci. Is it?

He just bought a lot more. Yeah. Everyone else. Yeah. All right. Can we make that a podcast for the network? Can we just get those two to podcasts together about being crazy people? I'd listen.

Hell yeah. We'll work on it. We'll work on it. Okay. That sounds like, that seems like it. Yeah. I think we've done it. I think we've done it.

We've done it. Shouts to Marvin Vittori living up to being the middle-weightiest dude in the world. We didn't even tire about that fight. He might just have to fight Brennan to determine who the champion is, the middle-weight champion. Martin is the champion.

He's just ranked too. He is. He's just ranked too highly to get the belt. No, he's like the Shankton. He's like the Shao Khan of the ladder. Like, you've got to get to him for the middle-weight. He's the middle-weighted-weight. middle weightiest middleweight that has ever middle weighted.

He's awesome. I love how ridiculous Marvon Bortori is. Roman DeLidezay being confused that he couldn't hurt him was just great theater. I keep hitting the shit out of this dude and he's just still here. What is going on? Yeah. Yeah. That's a Marmitory fight, buddy.

I scored that fight for him. I think that's reasonable to score for him. But it was like I was doing live blogging. At one point I was like, I genuinely think. Groven Delitz is getting frustrated because he keeps hitting him and he doesn't have anything else to try. I don't know what else to do here. I'm just going to keep winging this right hand see what happens.

The same shit happened. It's awesome. Yeah. Second round was really close. Deleadze clearly won the first. That judge giving Marvin the first is just incredibly horrible. After we watch it because it's a quarter of a Marvin round. So two is the swing rounds.

It was close. so it could have gone either way. All right, hit the music. We're done. We have done it. What a crazy day. It's weird saying that at 11.16 p.m. Eastern time on a pay-per-view, on a pay-per-view Saturday. It's not even Sunday yet.

So there you go. You still have time to go out. Enjoy St. Patty's weekend. Responsibly, that is. And we'll be talking a lot more about this card throughout the week, including tomorrow. On to the next one, 11 a.m. Eastern, myself, the best friend, Alexander K. Lee, lots to discuss. Thank you very much for Shaheen, for Casey, for Jed. I am Mike Heck. Have a good night, everybody.

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