MMA Fighting - UFC 306 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Sphere, Dvalishvili & Shevchenko Title Wins

Episode Date: September 15, 2024

Merab Dvalishvili and Valentina Shevchenko are champions following UFC 306, and their wins over Sean O'Malley and Alexa Grasso. MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Jed Meshew react to the action, and José Youngs shares his experience being at Sphere live for the event. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Subscribe to MMA Fighting Check out our full video catalog Like MMA Fighting on Facebook Follow on Twitter Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And they sound for the two new champions, Valentina Shepchenko and Marab de Walshwili. They get it done to cap off a very interesting UFC 306 Noce UFC show at Sphere in Las Vegas. As we welcome you to the post show, we are finally here. We got all the bugs fixed. We are ready to go. Hello there. I am Mike Eck. Hope you're all having a wonderful Sunday morning.

We're joined by Jed Mishu, fresh off of his first watch party. He's dancing around, trying to find a second wind. It's late in the evening, guys. And that was a lot harder than I thought it would be. Yes, it's a lot of talking. But before we get Jed's thoughts on the festivities, let us say hello, live from the media room at Sveer in Las Vegas, the one thing, Jose Young, our boots on the ground.

Look at this guy. That suit is incredible. incredible. Jose, how are you my bed? I'm pretty exhausted. As I told Fabiano just moments ago, that this week felt like a month. This is one of the longest white weeks I think I've ever experienced. And just in terms of amount of work, like the work that went into like providing coverage for all the our audience numbers. But it was a productive, but very long week. So my brain is pretty fried right now. The sphere experience was for lack of

of a better term fucking electric. That was unreal. The first fight I went out for was the Rural Roses fight. The media, the PR team left took us out. And they just,

they hadn't turned on any of like the graphics or anything yet. And even then it was very impressive. And then I went out for the main event for Sean O'Malley and Marab. And then I went out for the one leading into Valentina and Alexa. I stood in like the,

the ramp to go out to the bowl, the lower bowl. because I just wanted to see experience one of the movies. And all week I was like, I'm sure you guys have been there too. Like when you're on site covering stuff and just working on stuff nonstop, especially like doing videos and doing interviews and just the amount of prep that goes into this, by fight night, you're so mentally drained from talking about a UFC event that you just want to get smooth sailing and you're just tired of thinking about it.

That's how I kind of felt today. I was just like, I just want to get in the sphere. I want to get, I'm not get this over with. I just want to start this. Like, I really had no emotion. And then I saw the production and the displays and everything. When I was out there in the lower bowl, some of the footage I shot is on our social feeds, on our TikTok, Instagram and Twitter, excellent follows all around and Facebook, of course.

And it was electric. It was unbelievable. It was one of the coolest experience of Ever Witness Live. Like, even, like, the co-main event is what it is. even the main event like i thought it was fine it wasn't obviously the barn burner that i think everyone thought but i it didn't matter no one was leaving early this fear was incredible i hope they do it another event here because it is i can't put i literally you can't put it in words like you have to kind of witness it to really get the full experience but it was it was unbelievable

it was one of the coolest things i've ever experienced what was the crowd like were they like really into everything it was they were and it was weird because the crowd felt really close to the octagon. It felt like we were watching in like a ball, like a ballroom, or like if you cover World Series of fighting back in the day, or the old Strike Force, the old Bellator's, or World Series of fighting where like the ring was like, that's pretty much how it was.

And it was pretty filled up for the very first fight of the night. And it, since it goes up, the crowd doesn't go out. It's like a wall of people. You just had this wave of cheering, like booze and cheers. came in waves. Like it started at the top and just came down. It was a very cool experience. It was very, very cool.

And no one left early and everyone got there promptly at 3.30. I mean, you were there all week. So there's all these expectations and a lot of it was very secretive outside of like the panel and stuff like that. What were your expectations like heading in? Because, I mean, at least for us, we know we were watching it on TV. So we didn't really know what to expect. and we knew the live experience would be this whole other level, although it was very cool on television. Did it exceed your expectations?

Were you even prepared for what you saw tonight? I don't know what my expectations were because of the mystery, if that makes sense. So, like, we heard, like, oh, they're doing movies. Oh, they're going to have, like, moving things and stuff. Like, the new ring girls are going to have costumes. We didn't see it. So I was seeing it for the first time, just like everyone else. The only difference was I was there in person.

and I got pretty like I don't know like see I'm struggling to find the words because it's hard to describe when I saw the video before Alexa and Valentina where they showed like the history of Mexico like reclaim their independence from Spain and it was like a 2D animation thing I was like kind of emotional about it I was like this is unbelievable like what they're doing like they they were nailing it and then the ring goes like the Dea Los Marto's outfits the futuristic outfits the futuristic outfit They had the ones with the bandoliers. They had one of the floral dresses. Like, it was, it was pretty awesome.

It was pretty spectacular. I think they, I know the term love letter to New Mexico was tossed around a lot. It kind of became a meme. But I think it's, it's an apt way to describe what they did. They even showed, like, I don't know if they showed it on the broadcast, but like between fights, they would have, like, this pantheon of Mexican fighters. And they would be, like, sort of like the statue of David style statues. And they would have, like, Canelo and Delahoya and Chavez.

as senior and it was just like this pantheon of great Mexicans and it was it was pretty unbelievable. I think they captured it pretty like because obviously I was watching in the back when I was out here and like when I wasn't out there and I think they nailed it like the broadcast nailed what it felt like to be in there.

I thought they did a really good job. Last thing I would ask you because you obviously are exhausted and you're ready to wrap with this pretty insane fight week. So I mean again you were in the back for a lot of it so maybe you don't know how to answer this question, but just on your opinion, one of the big talking points we had was, like, who could leave this card with the biggest boost? We thought maybe it could be Sean O'Malley

and they could strap the rockets to him. Who do you think was, like, your top choice of who got the rub the most from the results tonight? I'm looking at the card now because it seems like it happened a lifetime ago. Obviously, Deagle Lopez was a massive winner, especially because Ilya is saying like, oh, you know, if Diego looks good, he could get the next title shot over Volcanovsky or at least being a number one contender fight.

So Diego, very obviously, to go from like 13 to possibly three, that's 10 rankings, possibly fighting a number one contender fight. So ranking-wise, he's number one. In terms of, obviously, Estevan Rivavich and Daniel Zell-Huber put on one of the greatest fights I've ever witnessed live.

That was unfucked. unbelievable that fight, especially that final round. That was one of the best rounds I've ever seen. Riebevich, I think a lot of people overlooked him just because of the hype around Daniel Zell-Huber, you know, being the lightweight Mexican, the one that keeps calling out Patty. And he lost, but I think people are going to be really excited to see him fight again just because of how amazing that fight was. That's going to be, as of right now, that might be my pick for fight of the year. It's very easily round of the year at the bottom. That's one of the best three rounds, fights I've seen

that had no stakes. No rankings, no title, no number one contender, no, oh, if you win this, you get a number of contenders shot. These are just two prospects fighting. And it was an awesome, awesome, awesome fight. And, I mean, it doesn't get much colder

than Esplan Rivavich walking out to Can't be touched by Roy Jones Jr. While Roy Jones Jr. is sitting Cadeside, singing along. And then the medical tent is right next to us, and he was getting checked out, Roy Jones Jr. walked right in and gave him a hug. So it doesn't get much better than that for Estevan Ruevich.

He had a pretty good day. Well, you've had a pretty good day. You've had a very good week, Jose. We appreciate the hustle. We appreciate the grind. Safe travels back to New York, my man. I will still be in Las Vegas. I'm hanging out for a couple of days so I can go to the Contender series on Tuesday.

You can watch our live stream and our coverage from then. and then I will be back in New York on Wednesday. There he is. The great Jose Youngs joining us from the scene of the magic, where it all went down, the Love Letter, New Mexico, the sphere in Las Vegas. We have Jed back, and look, let's just get right into this, Jed. We have two new champions.

It's Rob DeVoschville. It's Alexa Grasso. It's not Alexa Grasso. It's been one of those days. Valentina Shubchenko is the champion. It's the challengers. gained belts when it was all set and done. And neither fight was a barn burner.

Neither fight is one we're going to go back and rewatch again. It's just one of those things where Challenger implemented what they do best, and they got the job done, and the most important thing is getting the W. So let's start with Maraud de Wallisbilley. Biggest takeaway from this fight, because a lot of things I've seen, and you kind of saw it from the Coal Main event as well. Lexa Grasso looked off Sean O'Malley looked off

maybe not enough credit is going to the new champions do you view now that it's over Marad de Welshvili versus Sean O'Malley as hey Marab just went in there and just did the thing and he was just the better man or do you feel like Sean had an off night Marab just took advantage of it

Porcena los dos I don't think that was the best Sean O'Malley could have performed that evening I think a lot of the reason it wasn't is because he was fighting Marab Dahliazvili. And like, everybody talked about this. This is not a surprising outcome. I did not think it would happen.

I picked Sean O'Malley, I bet on Sean O'Malley, but nobody was shocked at how Marab could win. This is what Marab does. I thought Sean Amali would be a little bit more effective with his defensive wrestling, with dictating the range, with his offense, and he was stifled immediately. Marab came out and did exactly what I wanted to do.

I thought a very disciplined game plan for Marab that he's not getting a ton of credit for because it's not the kind of performance you're going to get credit for. The only real ways Marab is going to get credit for is when he overachieves when the expectation was not there that he could do something and that he is, you know, showing how great his cardio is. But that's not really that replicable. You're not doing the time and time again like, wow, that guy never slows down for like 25 minutes. We all recognize it's very difficult that he very, very realistically may have the greatest cardio in the history of MMA.

But that's not a flashy talking point you want to keep going on about. So by nature, this is going to turn a little more towards well, Sean looked flat. Sean wasn't good. But Marab said he was going to do this from Jump Street, came out, didn't get drawn into any kind of brawls like he did against Henry Suhudo at moments. and just a clean, effective thing. Weird. There were some real weird parts going on this fight, Mike. Don't get that twisted.

But, I mean, this is an A-plus performance from Maraub de Valle's really. And he's your new champion. And that's like that is what matters the most. And he did it. Yeah, the fight starts with Rob yelling. Apparently at Tim Welch, like two seconds in. And Herb Dean has to calm him down. And Rob says he's sorry.

he went back to it, kind of like reflecting on everything that happened. Marab, you know, I know you love the term weaponizing cardio. I don't even think he even, I think he only used like 50% of it tonight. It's like he shot 25, 30 takedown attempts like you typically see from him. And I think patience was the right word. He was doing some things with his movement that threw Sean off. Like he would press forward, but he was going up and down. It was just a different kind of movement from Marab that you don't typically see.

He had Sean O'Malley kind of guessing with his footwork. Like the lateral movement we saw from O'Malley that's put him on the map, we saw for like two minutes. And then we didn't really see it again until like the fifth round maybe when he started landed those body kicks and he had Marab's attention a little bit. But this was, yeah, it was a marobbing, but it was like a different kind of marobbing. You know what I mean? like some added layers, and he didn't need to go to the cardio well.

He had it there, but not as widespread as it typically was, at least in my eyes. I believe the term weaponized cardio is very, very stupid. But if you're going to use the term, pretty clearly this was not it. Marab did not win this fight because he had superior conditioning that he wore his opponent down with. I won this fight because he tackled him a bunch, and Sean couldn't keep him off him. like that and it wasn't it wasn't the kind of like weaponized cardio is mara beating jos a aldo by just holding onto his hips for 15 minutes continuously this was not that he scored a bunch of takedowns he advanced position he did damage like he he just beat his ass like you

beat sean am out of his ass Sean was not there to compete I know there are two 4847s and the even justifiable scorecards this fight was not as competitive as those scores might lead you to believe because yeah This was not Marab having to to dig deep or go into a bag of tricks. We didn't see him have to do a ton different. It was the same sort of sequences set up. And Sean O'Malley just did not have an answer for Marab's fastball. He didn't make him go to his off-speed pitches at all.

And so, like, this was a fairly easy night at the office for Marab. And credit to him. Again, he said this from Jump Street. This is what I'm going to do. He's been saying that for well over a year. And push comes to shove, rubber meets the road. He did it. And all the stuff Sean O'Malley's been saying all that time was deeply untrue.

You've been very confident about Umar and Amaga made off once he gets his shot. You felt like Sean O'Malley was the more interesting matchup in that if Murab were to win, he's kind of the placeholder for Umar. Did this performance change your mind in any way? No. He would have had to do something spectacular to change my mind. I have been so high on Umar forever. But again, like, I can

be wrong. It's been wrong plenty. I was wrong a ton tonight. I think that that is an atrocious style matchup for Mara in Umar and certainly seems like that's the direction the UFC was trying to push. And so, you know, maybe he ends up being a placeholder champion. He does, you know, Sean O'Malley credit to him, he made it work. So he got to have a

title defense under his belt with the Cheeto thing because if they had just made him fight Marab immediately, well, Bob's your uncle. He's now the placeholder champion and said he gets a little buffer. Maraub probably is that, but you know what they call a placeholder champion? Champion. He's a champion for ever. He won the fight that mattered most.

And so even if he does lose immediately in his next fight out, it doesn't matter. He will forever be a UFC champion. And that's what everyone in the sport is trying to do from day one. And he did it. Sean O'Malley, if you watch the press conference stream, was not there. He put out a little bit of a tweet, just saying, you know, overpromised, underdelivered. Love you guys. And I think he responded to a couple of boxers as well.

And we can leave that alone because Sean's definitely not boxing now. Well, so that's done. But he also just, you probably didn't see this because this has happened recently. I think this was up on IG. It was a repost from somebody in a wrestling singlet working on his takedown defense. And I got to tell you, this is probably old man in clouds and probably going to turn off some viewers. I'm very sorry for this. That is just the most cotton candy soft shit I've ever seen in my life.

Like, you know, clever or whatever, but like, man up, dude. I have been so clear on this about everybody. It's not a Shawno Mallee thing. If you're going to talk to talk, walk to walk. Like, you just got to keep the same energy. And he came through and he was like, I am going to do to you what I did to Almondi. Joe, I'm going to knock this dude out. I'm going to make it look easy.

And then he didn't. And then he didn't have the decency to show up to the post presser, but he's trying to get clever on social. Like, no, dude, take your L, come to the presser. It's one thing I always respected so much about Connor McGregor and Chale Sunnan. They were there and they took their lumps on the night. And that is just a huge pet peeve of mind to not. Like if you have to go to the hospital, you do medical, totally get it.

I'm not saying do this, but come on. man like just just go talk to the porters say say hey man rob was better i didn't fight well don't don't do this this is a weak look a lot of the talk this week was if sean wins does he become like how big of a star can he become we didn't really factor in i mean like we said we we wouldn't be surprised at marab one but we didn't really factor it in all that much in a lot of the conversations that we had so the the adverse effect of this how much of a setback is this for that rocket ship rise of Sean O'Malley? Is this going to be something he can bounce back with, let's just say, like, they give him

Henry Sehudo and he goes out and dust Henry Sehudo. Is he like right back where he was or does he have a little bit of a hill to climb? Honestly, I have no idea, Mike, because Sean O'Malley's stardom has always, I have never understood it. Very possibly it's a generational gap thing, but like he, I never, like, Connor never appealed to me, but I at least understood how Connor appealed broadly. Sean O'Malley, I genuinely don't get the popularity to him. He is not like the most dynamic personality with the mic in his hand.

I'm not saying, like, he's not a bad dude. I'm not here to say that. Just like none of his popularity has ever made sense to me other than the fact that like, he smokes weed and his hair is colorful. But like, I don't know. It feels like there should be more to this. And so I've never understood his fan base that is very real. Like the Sean O'Malley hive is very real.

And so I don't know, does the loss matter? The loss to Cheeto kind of didn't really matter much to him. You know, he came out and immediately said, I'm undefeated, et cetera, et cetera. He's not really going to be able to pull that one off with this one, but I have no idea how the fans will travel with him through a loss through a bad performance on top of that. But he's still young enough. He's still a former champion. He's popular enough that career-wise, this isn't going to set him back hugely, right?

Like if he goes out there and he fights Sohudo in his next fight and he beats Sohudo, he's right back in the title conversation, particularly if Umar does get the belt. Sean O'Malley is obviously an attractive title challenger for a new champion. And then he wins it again, how it goes. I think we're talking about degrees here. And this loss, I would assume, it's going to hurt his aspirate, like aspirations to be as big as Connor. That was probably never realistic. very, very likely not on the table at all anymore. The boxing Ryan Garcia not really on the table at all anymore.

And so, you know, it kind of neutered him, took him down a couple of pegs, and certainly now he's no longer champion. But he's still young enough to get right back in the mix and still maybe make other big things happen for him down the line. And maybe ultimately won't matter. Genuinely like his YouTube, his TikTok, his Twitch fan base, maybe this doesn't affect this at all. And so in some ways, he's the same as when he came into the fight. Is there any way that Marab de Wallis really can become that guy? I don't think so.

I think Marab can be popular. And never, I do think that we in America have a certain sort of American-centric bias and all on and stuff. And so you can never underestimate how big and meaningful Marab can be to Georgia and to kind of the people of that area of the world. because, I mean, you've already seen videos out there. I am terribly sorry because I forget who put it out there. But there is a video of a town square in downtown Tbilisi at 7 a.m. prepared for the fight and then celebrating Mrab winning. This apparently is incredibly significant to Georgia for Mab to get this win,

that they are this stoked on him. And so Marab is never going to be in the American market, you know, a massive star. It can be popular. but I just don't think he doesn't have the cool like Habib was cool and people underestimate how much of stardom is legitimately just like high school cool kid stuff. Habib was cool and Marab is not that. Marab's a little bit of a dork, but he can be your dork and a fun dork and a guy that people like but in America I don't think he's going to get massive.

But I mean he can he can obviously be enormous in Georgia. he can have you know however many millions of people are in georgia the country you know he can galvanize that fan base and be sort of a more broadly internationally big star particularly if he beats umar because umar is very famous in that area of the world already that fight will be big and if he gets that done i mean he can be a big star he will just never be as big as shone amalley could have been or is Yeah, we'll see what happens there. I mean, just a great night at the office for Marab.

Outstrikes Sean O'Malley, 214 to 49, 82 to 47 on the significant strikes, six of 15 with his takedowns, 10 minutes in three seconds of control time. This is just an ass-whip-in, man. I mean, the stats, they don't tell the whole story, but in this case, they tell a story. He just put it on, Sean. And, you know, Sean had moments. Fifth round, he hurt Marob to the body. Last minute.

Got fun for it. second there. It got a little, it got a little testy for Marab, but he goes in there and gets it done. And in a six-week stretch, two guys who have had to scratch and claw and grind their ways, win after win after win after win,

getting overlooked time and time again, Blahmahman, Marab de Wilesh, really, both world champions to kick off the autumn season of 2024. It's just been a wild year, been a crazy year. And congratulations to the new champion, Marab de Wallach, really. Jed, you jumped off the Chevy train. You jumped off of it.

I didn't. I mean, you did. I'm the conductor of the bullet train. The Chevy truck. I'm shotgun. Been there the whole time. Don't know what you're talking about. I mean, we can go back to the shows.

You want to play some clips you can, but I don't think you got those queued up. So I'm going to live in this world. I ain't leave my girl one second. Never doubted her. There are clips of me putting a whole bankroll on her. I ain't seen none of that from you out there, always believed. Well, I mean, are you still a believer?

I mean, how much more do you believe after this performance? Because very similar to Marab, just a very patient, almost, it was a perfect performance from her. Like, it wasn't the Jessica Androge perfect game that she pitched. That's a whole different kind of a perfect game. That's a violent perfect game. But this was exactly what she needed to do to beat Alexa Grasso. And this is the kind of fight I expect. because I just did not see a world where Valentina Shepchenko was going to fight the same person three times in a row and not win a single fight.

And she went out there and dominated 50, 45, tons of control time. Alexa Grasso had just had nothing for her after that first round. And there were, you know, some submission attempts that were kind of, it looked kind of close, but probably in the long run really weren't all that close. But man, she did what she had to do, man. And once again, she is the flyweight champion of the world. So as the conductor of the Chevy truck, even now, the bullet train, you don't conduct a truck, obviously. I mean, I thought, well, regardless, your reaction to this, what,

six hours later after she won the pre-came the title? I mean, credit to her. Like, that is the performance. And I thought of this afterwards, because obviously we did the watch party. We talked a lot about various aspects of this. And, you know, not stunning how this could have gone. given these women have fought a bunch. We've seen how the sort of textures have gone.

One thing that I keep coming back to, as I've sort of rethought about this fight in the past couple of hours, is this is what I'm talking about, Mike. When I say to people that the most difficult thing, the thing we should value the most and be the most impressed by in this sport, is defending a belt over and over and over again. Because Valentina Shepchenko is one of the most accomplished fighters in the history of the youth.

I believe it was seven straight title defenses, and then Alexa Grasso upended the whole thing. And usually when we see sort of situations like this, it is because a fighter has gotten older, a long-time champion has gotten older, got caught up to, and then it's never the same again. Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It was a long list of people, which is like father time is who they lost to, not the fighter. Well, Valentina has reclaimed the belt now, and you know what that is. means it means she lost to Alexa Grasso. She didn't lose

the father time. She lost to a woman who is very good at fighting and was super prepared on the night when it mattered most. And to put together seven, eight, nine title defenses is impossibly difficult because

one banana peel, one errant spinning back kick can get you choked out and all of it comes crumbling away. Even if you're the better fighter. And I would say that after watching this fight and all the totality of their fights, Valentina Shepchenko is a better fighter than Alexa Grasso. It's competitive. It's close. Alexa Grosso is very, very good. But Valentina has won the most of these fights. She never

wanted as definitively as Grasso did, but she has won the most of the fights. She is the better fighter, but it doesn't matter if you're the better fighter because things can happen in the sport. and this just kind of reinforces that belief for me. And so when you talk about her having a disciplined fight, her being very patient, that's what we saw out there. She was taking no risk tonight because she needed to get the belt back because the belt is the thing that matters. It gets you the pay-per-view points, the prestige, the not-or, etc., etc.

And so you didn't see her throw, go ahead and arm-throw. You didn't see her do a spinning back kick or back fist. She kept it tight and clean with the fundamentals and got the job done. Now it wasn't stunning. Like it wasn't great. Dana White kind of pooed on her and the main event basically tonight. But she got the W. She has the belt back and that's all the matters at the end of the day.

There's like zero chance they do this again, right? Zero. None. We're done with this now. Particularly if the fight had been a barn burner or controversial, maybe. Maybe there's a world. I don't even think this is a back pocket fight. We talked about that before as, you know, we can run a four, whatever the outcome,

the fourth can happen at some point. I don't even think, I think that we're just done. The rivalry is settled. They're one one and one, and that's okay, you know. That's what happens when great fighters fight a bunch. Outcomes can be a whole mess of things. Yeah. When you sweep all three judges scorecards, kind of as definitive as you can really make it.

Yeah, it's done. I mean, Alexa Grasso competed at, various points. Like she was not defenseless in there, but she was not remotely close to winning this bout at any real time. Great night for Diego Lopez. Almost got Brian Ortega out of there in the first round. Heard him real bad.

Dana White actually posted a photo of Ortega's face on his Instagram stories. Not that long ago. And damn, dude, Ortega is a mess, dude. Just an absolute mess. I didn't see the Ortega photos. I saw the gnarly. Julies Rina Aldonofoto, but like even gnarlier than the ones we want, like we were like the post one.

Oh, whoa. Don't don't look at it. Like I've not even don't look at it. It is disgusting. Yeah, it's really bad. Granted. I haven't seen the Ortega. I might, my, my, my pull that up now. Yeah, he's just all welted up bruises battered. Just looked like a dude who fought Diego Lopez the way that man looked. Diego Lopez is just on a rocket ship right now. Kind of hard to explain. Sometimes you just catch fire at the right time and boy, has Diego Lopez caught fire at the right time, Jedmishu. It is an astonishing run from him. I believe he was our breakout fighter last year. I don't think I'm doing that wrong. And I mean, right now, like, this is a guy who is very clearly, he was not going to win fighter of the year, very clearly in the conversation.

He'll be in our top five. I would guess for most of them, it's already he's three and oh. And even a chance to get 4-0 you know in the year um you add in the whole narrative around the dan ege thing that happened at 303 coming in um dumbing brian ortega i said in the preview show brian ortega has only lost to ufc champions because it's true the only people that brian rtega has lost to are people who have held ufc gold dea gole jago lopez now in that number perhaps that does pretend that he gets to hold ufc gold even alexander volkinawokinowski seems impressed he's out here posting his next fight is for the title. Maybe he fights Lopez

for an interim title if that's something the UFC could be interested in. I mean this is a guy who, for a guy who, you know, lost his UFC debut, I mean, I'll be incredibly competitive with Mobb Saravlov. But, you know, lost on Contender Series to

Joe Anderson Brito, who's a damn good fighter, but still, losing on Contender Series a couple of years ago to now just taking the company by storm, The glowing things Dana said about him at the postpresser, people are asking, it's like, we love that guy, we'll do anything for that guy. Like, he's got the world by the ass right now and continues to justify, continues to look great

as more and more opportunities happen for him. I never saw this coming. And credit to him, man, like, this is a heck of a run he's on right now. Absolutely. It's going to be real interesting to see where, I mean, just go back to the, I mean, of Loiviv and Sterlinger fighting. to give him the winner. I love the Volk idea. I think that would be incredible.

I don't think Volk would, unless there's a belt on the line, I don't think Volk takes that fight. I think he's just going to wait and see if he gets his shot and he probably should get it after the long run he was on. I think he's just angling for an interim belt

because, you know, belts. But yes, I doubt he would fight that without a belt on the line. But maybe the U.S.C. decides to do an interim belt. I don't know. Why not? we just we just do this all the time anyways Daniel Zell Huber

Esteban Rerich Jesus Christ man what a friggin fight that third round was nuts lots of yelling and screaming I think part of why my voices almost crushed is because of that third round going back and just time stamping

the watch party boy that's when we're going to go back and rewatch again Jed that one is definitely I don't know if it is the fight of the year it definitely had Cub Swanson Do Ho Choi vibes in terms of like a three round fight that could end up in the UFC Hall of Fame someday. It's just like one of those type fights that just will be the most memorable thing from the action that took place on this card.

Like when I think of UFC 306 outside of the sphere and the ambiance and all the cool stuff that they did, I'm going to remember that fight. That's the top of mind. That's being like, oh yeah, that's the night that Esteban Riewicz and Daniel Zelle, who beat the shit out of each other. and Rievich got just a massive win and got a whole bunch of respect at 155 pounds. A hundred percent round of the year. I don't think that is really up for reasonable debate. That third round was banana grams. It's going to get votes in the fight of the year.

Obviously, we still got plenty of time left, and there's a really, really, really good chance that Max versus Tuporia is like fight of the year. but, you know, it is always hard for non-title fights, as Jose put it, has no stakes. Like, this did not, it's not meaningless to the fighters, but it is relatively meaningless in the terms of the sport broadly. And yet an absolute insane fight, two rounds of unbelievable high-level mixed martial arts,

and then just a wild knockdown dragout to finish it. Bit prisoner of the momenty, you know, bit being caught up. in the vibes. Probably my front runner right now is probably in the lead spot. But, you know, I want to go back and rewatch because there have been some good fights.

But I would say, undeniably going to be a top five pick for me at this point in time. And may very well be my number one at this point in the year. Yeah, just crazy ass fight. And then

fun fight with Radoe Rodriguez and O'Day Osborne. I feel like once once we got to like two minutes into round three those two guys got to watch $50,000 just kind of float away from their bank accounts because that was a fun ass fight. We got a real good start on this bank card. On the one hand,

it feels weird to say this. So the performance bonuses, obviously, that wins fight of the night. No issues there. Performance bonuses go to the two finishes. Ignacio Bahamandes, Kedlin Suza, those are both good finishes.

and I don't like it's reasonable but there's a part of me and just be like maybe just do the double fight of the night thing because like those guys had a damn good scrap like there were a couple of really good fights in this card just sort of a shame that they weren't the main two fights because I do think that it's kind of neutered some of the experienced certainly for us at home I can't speak to the live thing but that kind of took us down a little bit

yeah completely agree and then other people of the max And Norma Dumont just beat the soul out of Arrini Aldana. That was an incredible performance from her. Agnabana, his crazy knockout against Manuel Tours, a member of Team, Jed Mishu on the fantasy team. Let's not talk about my fantasy squad. The Mishu Mollers did not. They did not do a lot of Mollin today. As did the Shaheen Al-Shani suck bags.

Tough night for Shahid al-Shadi, man. Jeez, Louise. Yeah, Asman Hadeghie gets finished in the first round by Catlin Sosa. He was so confident about Raul Roses Jr. Going out there just getting a first round finish. He wins. He gets to win. He gets the points.

I think, yeah, that's like West Welker in 2004 getting like three. catches for 31 yards like points but not what you drafted them for in the young man you didn't draft him for for a hundred point you didn't pick a second round four more uh yeah tough tough dive for shahit al shoddy but uh yeah i'm laughing all the way to the bank right now i'm just waiting for my team to get off the bench and into the game and uh we will get there come october once ufc 307 rolls around all right let's bring in e kacely lidin and let's bring in you all to give your thoughts, your questions, et cetera. We'll go for like 20 or so minutes.

We'll try to get through as many of these as we can because I got to be honest with you. When the sun comes up. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. It's like 20 minutes, Casey. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

We're going until the sun comes up. Yes, in 20 minutes, exactly. Yes. All right. I do have a few hours of sleep before on to the next one tomorrow. All right. I said some questions. All right.

I want you guys to know I'm being a hero right now because there's a dog right here that is committing chemical assaults on my nose and I'm just powering through. Well done. I'm talking about the reffing tonight. Jason Herzogne as much praise as Herb Dean deserves ridicule. I'm not 100% sure that I even agree with this statement. So was that a bad non-stoppage, Jed? I actually do think that was a bad. bad nonstoppage. Of course,

ultimately, uh, Zell Huber fought his way through it. But there was a, I mean, that was a prolonged beating where Zell Huber was not reasonably defending himself. He was you know, moving, but

the, when he tripped and fell down because he could not stand, that was when I was like, while like Jason just, just stop it. Like he was getting to, that legitimately felt like he was because he was too tough to fall over that Riebevich just got too tired of punching him to hit a shot that would actually kill him but like I always just come

to this in boxing that would not have gone on like that would have been done in boxing and boxing is so much better about stoppage just than MMA as a sport ultimately it's not going to make a huge difference but like that's one of those things or like you don't need to see a young guy take that sort of a beating at this stage of his career, in my opinion. Yeah. And before the trip, he like was trying to get out of like hell's kitchen there. And he ran face first into the cage wall, like just stumbled in and like smacked his head on the cage wall and then tripped and fell. At that point, like, you're just waiting for that moment you're like, all right, enough's enough. And I thought for sure that was that moment. But Herzog didn't

think so and yeah. I think in M. We are way too conditioned for the kill shot. And I just don't think it's necessary. But, you know, worked out and absolute credit to Zell Hubert. We talked about this on the watch party.

I mean, Riebevich, frankly, both those dudes got some chins on him. Reavovich might be made or something. Was that the same round? Yeah. He got dropped by stepping into a step in elbow. And almost immediately popped up.

Rebovovich might be made of some real steel in there. But Zell Huber, I mean, Zell Hubert got, he got bombed on for 90 full seconds. And I'm not saying he didn't wear it, but like he, he worked through it. They,

them boys, they built to something in there. That was, that was impressive from both, from a durability standpoint. Yeah. But when you're saying things like, man,

he impressed me by how durable he is. No, no. That's not the best thing you've ever heard from a mental health standpoint. Your business doesn't move in a straight line. Make sure your team is taken care of through every twist and turn with Canada Life savings, retirement, and benefits plans. Whether you want to grow your team, support your employees at every stage, or build a workplace people want to be a part of.

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and it looked like he was trying to call time out to tell her being to stop like that whole situation was odd but then however that played out i think that was okay her did one thing in the evening where he uh stopped uh shone o'malley dug a hand into the glove he's never going to take points because they don't do that but he did stop the action at a clean break say Sean stopped doing that shit and then restarted them in position, which was nice. I think the people that I've seen online take most umbrage with is Herb telling them fighters to work, particularly Marab and the wrestling. I don't have an issue with it.

There's a vast difference between, yeah, but like he's saying words. That's fine. He didn't stop him. Like if he had stopped it, I would have an issue. But like just saying work is fine. Whatever. So to me, I don't really care about that. That's an innocuous thing.

All right. Cool. A couple of super chats. We got it coming in right now. I want to see Reavich versus Zell Hubert in five rounds from AG 45. The top 15 to 30 lightweights can beat each other anytime. Also, Baja Mondays versus Jalen Turner. What do you think?

You like that one, Jen? Or a little too soon. I mean, I would watch the hell out of it, but it's probably a little too soon. And I am very, very much want Jailen Turner to just go up to Walter Waite. I think it will have a substantially better career at Welterweight. But he's apparently not trying to do that yet. It's probably a little too soon, but Baimonie's, I mean, he's earned a shot at something real. But that's the issue with lightweight.

Like, you can have this great run and be awesome and you still got to do other stuff. Like, it just takes forever to get even an opportunity at the guys in the top 15. I would absolutely love to watch Reeve at Zell Huber again at some point in the future. This, Mike, this is now a back pocket fight to me. You don't run it back right now, but a couple of years, they get some wins, some losses. They're doing stuff. They're still around. You can go to the well like we did for Spencer Fisher.

We can do like kind of those. We don't have enough low stakes trilogies. We need more of those. All the trilogies are title fight trilogies. Let's get some cooking in this sort of way. Some more Nick Lentz, Charles Olivera type of trilogies. Yeah, exactly. Some more stuff that's not, because most trilogies are like surrounding a belt or,

or, you know, at one point had a belt and then the third fight happens later. You know, it's not just like Spencer Fisher and, God, I'm drawing the blank right now. Oh, I know this. Oh, this is going to kill me. But like all three of them were fun. Sam Stout. There you go. Geez, great call. Spencer Fisher, Stam, like all three of those fights were really fun. They were never meaningful.

I think one of them maybe was a headliner, but like they were still just fun to do. If we ended up getting a Ruevovich Sal Huber three, that would be sick. You know, it's, that's awesome. Yeah, there was an awesome trilogy, but there was an incredibly high price paid for that trilogy. Yes, incredibly high price. And I got to tell you, there's a real world where Daniel Zell Huber is going to pay an incredibly high price later for that fight. Reuben Fitzs Schubert, and they both took incredible amounts of damage. Obviously, Zell Huber took a little bit more, but yeah.

Yeah, I was just, yeah, I was thinking Spencer Stout. I was like, oh, that was so great. But then I thought of the story we did was Stephen Morocco a little bit ago and like, oh, yeah. And he talks about those fights. And those fights changed his life very negatively. But you don't play fighting. This is true. Yeah, amazing fight.

Amazing thing. I'm not going to bring the comments up, but I saw some negativity about that fight. Like, they're like, oh, the first two rounds were okay. I'm like, first of all, the first two rounds are great rounds. We were, and then the third round was just as I was like, guys, you, you guys, some of you guys in the comments are, you guys need to go to sleep. You guys are up too late. You guys are way too grumpy. You just saw.

The first two rounds were all, the fight was still the fight of the night with the first two rounds. Yeah. It was different. It was not the same sort of back and forth, undeniable war that it became, but there was incredibly high-level fun action. Yeah. But, you know, people like what they like.

I'm not saying you have to like it. I just think you're wrong. Thank you. Thank you, AG 45. Super chat from Stephen Dawson. Shout out to you, Stephen. How can a fighter who, as, One dimensional as Sean is rapidly improve in wrestling.

That takes years to be good at and he doesn't exactly have years to learn. And how insane is it that Diego will be ranked above Movesar? Yeah, we talked about that on the watch party. But thoughts on the first part of this question, Jen? I think it's just stone wrong is all. I don't actually think Sean O'Malley is that one dimensional. Obviously, he is a substantially better, like striking is his best ask. He can grapple.

He can wrestle. Like, him getting taken down by Marab is not an indication that he can't wrestle. I don't know if you guys have heard of a little fellow called Henry Suhudo. Olympic gold medalist. Marab took him down repeatedly and often. Morab is just very, very good at this. Like, it's, you got to give the man his flowers in this regard. And so how can Sean Amali get better at wrestling?

you can work at it. And the truth is you don't have to be great. Like you don't ever have to be the world's best wrestler to know enough techniques and enough things. That's how people work the system. You find a couple of specific tools and you implement them. Marab was very aware of those tools. And O'Malley had a lot of tools in this fight. Maraub basically never got a single leg to work.

He went to a lot of them. But Marab just got doubles, either reactive doubles when O'Malley was coming forward, or he timed after a punch punch into an injury. But every time he grabbed the front thing, O'Malley bounced, cleared the hands, broke off, got back to space. Like, O'Malley has ability here. I'm just really good at it, man. You got to, it's hard to overcome that.

The question is, how can Sean ever overcome that? I don't know. Work hard. It's, you just got to get back to the gym put in. So I don't, I just fundamentally sort of disagree with the first part. And I agree that the second part is true. I think it's hilarious and very silly that it's true, though. We have Diego rank above Mozart?

I will not have Diego ringed above Mozart. I think I will. But that's how it goes. I don't think it's necessarily wrong. It's the best win both those guys have. Like, honestly, it's the best win both guys have. And like, you can sell me. I will never agree with it, but you can sell me because his wins have been dominant finishes,

and then this win is better than any win Mowdstar has. But ultimately, these two dudes fought, and I won guy won, and so he will be above him in my rankings. Fair enough. All right. Thank you much. A $20 super chat from Spencer. Shout out to you, Spencer. Boys, want to thank you for a great week of analysis and for staying up late with us.

You three are the backbone of M. May fighting video programming thoughts on Chandler versus all of their announcement. And Jose Aldo on the prelims, Jed, seems disrespectful to me. I easily my least favorite part of today was when they put the card up. And Jose Aldo is not even like in a good spot. Like he is buried on the prelims in a fight against a ranked opponent. And like this is a man who is undeniably one of your five greatest champions who. who now has given your current bantamweight champion the best fight of anyone else in the way class.

I frankly thought he beat him. He's the only dude. You want to say the one-dimensional? Joseoaldo didn't get taken down. Henry goddamn gold medalist Suu got taken down over and over. Joseo at elevation stonewalled that beast. It was like, nah, homie, you'll just hold my hips, and that's how we'll do this.

But we ain't going for a ride. And you're going to bury that dude on the freaking, like, the disrespect is so unreal. Because it's also, like, that's a full card. You don't need Jose Aldo to fight at elevation again. Like, you could bump him to another card and that'd be fine. It, that is infuriating. Like, I cannot believe, if you told me 15 years ago, Jose Aldo is going to be the most underrated fighter in history. I would have never believed you.

Because it would have been insane. Like, that's the best dude in the world. How is he underrated? Because they disrespect the shit out of him and no one knows that he's one of the four best fighters of all time. They're treating Otto like he's Andre Arlowski, I feel like. Yes. Where he's placed from the card.

But Andre Arlowski, he was not, you know, we know where he was. Aldo is still a legitimate top 10 bantamweight. Arguably, where is he right now? He's top 10 at least, right? I think in the U. Hold on, I have the U.S.C. rankings right in front of me. Number 10 in the U.C. rankings, which is also ridiculous because Rob Faunt is ahead of them. Rob Font is ahead of Jose Alto in the Bantamari rankings.

And they fought and Josie Aldo. Merger. Beat the soul out of the man. Yeah. Like, it's very, very ridiculous. Oh, I'm sorry, Cheetos is also ahead of him. Come on. God, it's like, I'm going to punch something right now.

You telling me this. Josie Otto might be the realgerated goat ever. I don't know if that makes sense. No, he is legitimate. Like, he's never in the goat conversation. And he's absolutely one of the four best fighters who ever competed by like almost any reasonable metric. But 13 seconds happened and everyone dismissed him because it's dicks.

And the UFC just does not respect him. And I, I, it is baffling to me. Like, I, God. love and respect Kevin Holland and Roman Delizze. In what fucking universe

is that a main card fight over Jose Aldo versus a ranked bantam weight? None. None whatsoever. Now let's be fair.

The UFC graphics team had a shitty night tonight. They were... You know, I'm right. Yeah. Yes. Kendrick Lamar.

Anybody? How about... That was the funniest thing. Natalia Silva fighting Viviani Arruzo for the second time in three fights. How about Dominic Reyes versus Anthony Smith

being advertised for Madison Square Garden when in fact that fight will not be happening at Madison Square Garden. So just because a graphic says something tonight, we can't believe anything now. It does not mean that will be the graphic. That does not mean that will be the actual lineup

come UFC 3 of seconds. Hey, AIM 6-61. Josie Aldo did retire and then he beat a ranked fighter. Johnson Martinez is. is currently ranked. Jose Aldo also has wins over guys ranked above him. Please stop disrespecting one of the actual greatest fighters who has ever competed because you don't know better.

Do I need to mention he's the strongest boy in the world? He's a strongest boy in the world. Watch the strongest boy in the world. Watch lumber bashing, whatever the shit that was. Oh, geez. I desperately hope you're right and the graphics has got this wrong because Kevin Holland Roman Delizze

which is a weird fight anyway Roman Delizze just beat a ranked light heavyweight and now he's fighting ranked well-to-week I guess just a very odd thing happening there and just put it on the like who cares about Roman Delizze Kevin Haute. It's a fine fight

who cares see see you know this this is why I'm glad Eric Jackman left this one wonderful site because right now he's like card placement doesn't matter it freaking matters because you do not place josie auto versus a ranked opponent on that portion of the card it's not even the preland main event it's just there also i don't know why they put as many good fights on 307 as they did there are a lot of good fights on that card yeah it's a good it's a good card like they should

probably get let let's clean up one of these apex shows make it a little saucier because we don't need all this All right. We've gone a good amount of time. Are we good? Let me just skim through these, yeah, skim through these comments real quick. It's 5 a.m. Good God. It was amazing.

It really was. And I actually got to listen to audio. And I'm really happy that Anick recognized it in the moment. Yeah. So I didn't get the audio. So I wasn't sure that they did, though. but you know you can get professional. Anik, I think just saw that, he read the Kairon at the beginning.

He was like, uh, that's not him. He kind of joked about it, but, uh, but good on, good on Anik. And, um, yeah. All right. Well, uh, Mike, we did, Mike and Casey, because we, you know, you talked about Jose the live experience as we exit, just what is your overall feeling on the sphere thing? Did that pop off for you, you know? Oh.

How are you? How did you enjoy? the view of it. Mike, want to go first? You please. Oh, you. Oh. Yeah, you go.

Let me see. Out of a one to have ten, I would give it, especially kind of considering this was their first time doing it in an arena that's, an arena that's never had a live sporting event that's not really designed for television

broadcasting. I thought the UFC did a wonderful job with considering that, but I still give it a, a six in the terms of how it kind of carried over the live TV. And that's just because of what it is. It's just like I kind of compare it to trying to sell you a VR through, you know, a TV set. You can't really know until you're there.

But maybe if maybe if the fights were all just like like we got a couple, like it in the way. It was just a long card. So maybe that kind of took away from it. But I love the fact that they did the storylines. I enjoyed the walkouts. Actually, my only kind of, my only kind of like, that was, I think, a bad creative decision is when I think for the co-main event,

they did like the CGI walkouts and then they showed the real person. Those were bad. That was just a bad creative decision. But otherwise, I really admired the UFC and the creative team's ambition. And they dared to be great. They went for something big.

and for the most part, it landed. And I hope they can work it out with MGM or whatever and do this once a year, once every other year, because it's really cool and there's lots of really neat things you can do. And for the first time, this is their first attempt and not really having any true like rehearsals, you know, like they kind of said. Great job. And I just felt, I'm just happy the UFC is trying something different

because I've been just real critical about them just being kind of boring as a company because they're making so much money. But yeah, they went for it. They did it. And not a home run, but a solid ground road double as far as the presentation on TV. And in the arena, it sounded amazing. Probably a 10 in the arena TV-wise. Yeah, ground road double.

I'm going to knock on the throat. Sorry. Please go on. I think I'm a little higher on it. The one drawback is that. it got long and that's like kind of the problem you run into and obviously i don't think the UFC like set this card up for it to kind of be what it was that we would have five fights all and we would go to decision we did have a fight of the year contender we have a round of the year

front runner i thought the first two it's so funny that the the two main card fights people were complaining about were the best two fights on the entire card which is pretty wild to think about Diego Lopez at a cool moment. And then the two title fights just kind of were what they were. It's just a long event. Like we were all excited about 10 fights. This was still a, Jesus Christ, it was like six hours. It was a six hour card with 10 fights.

And a lot of it had to do with the production and the storytelling and all that stuff. But I wish there was a way we could kind of sped it up a little bit or, you know, cut back on a promo or two. I think that was like a big issue that it just kind of lingered on a little, long, maybe just do a video. Instead of doing like a five part movie, could have done like a three part movie, maybe like before the first fight, before the third fight and before the main event. I think that would have paced this a little bit better.

It just felt kind of sloggy. It was cool as hell though. Like it did. You can't get the same experience as being there live. But there are certain points watching that where I felt like I was real close to being there live. if that makes sense. Like when they were doing the drone cams,

like I literally was like, they have to stop this. They have to stop doing this because like I was getting dizzy after. Like if they went on for like 10 or 15 seconds, I was like, whoa, I was feeling it a little bit. And it was like that first opening sequence

on the main card was fucking sick, dude. Like I loved it. It was so cool. Like I felt like things were coming at me. It was pretty cool. It was the best they could have possibly done. to make the viewer feel like they were there.

The drawback of it, like I said earlier, was it just dragged the card out longer. And it's not that the fault of the production team. It's just the formula along with two title fights that went the distance that weren't all that compelling. It didn't help. Nature of the spirit of the spread. I thought it was great. I thought it was great. Yeah.

But, yeah, just reiterate, I just really admired the ambition that the UFC went for in this, for this. And that's what I want more. I rather, yeah, I want more of this. Yeah. Hell yeah. There goes seven or eight out of ten. I love, I love that they tried. I believe that the execution was probably incredibly difficult.

Not all of it worked for me. Ultimately, it really did feel that it was cool, obviously it was cooler in person than the at home. But a thing Dana said in the post-presser I really liked was like we were trying to tell a story tonight because they're never telling stories in the U.S. anymore and that is what that was. I thought a lot of the other touches were great.

I love the Octagon girls, et cetera, et cetera. The ring girls. So not everything was a good for me. That was not, that was even a spear thing. That was just, I mean, but I know that's a story. It was a Mexican independent state thing. So part of the storytelling narrative thing. I do hope they do kind of other things like this.

Casey, before we get out of here, there's a man who is spamming about his super chat. And it better be the best super chat I've ever seen. Because if it's not, we will never answer a super chat of yours again. Because you're behaving like an infant. I got it right here. That's not a super chat. I don't know.

I didn't think it's. I don't know. But he's spamming my super chat into the chat. No, he's spamming the word super chat. I see your name. My super chat. My super chat. Well, we'll never answer anything from you again.

Solar Club. You are now. This is my friend from Tijuana, I think. No, I do not like you at this point. If I have banning power, I would move you from our chat

because this is childish. And it's 5 a.m. And I'm not here for this right now. Hit me up on IG, Mr. Super Chat. Yes. Hit the music. We're going to get out of.

here. I think we've talked enough today. I got to talk again in like four hours. Yeah. I've talked again with AK in like four and a half hours. On to the next one live, 10 a.m. Eastern, right here on this channel, we will discuss the What's Next for Brad Duolish Willi, Sean O'Malley, Valentina Shivchenko, Alexo, Diego Lopez, Esteban Rievich. Boy, I'm very excited to figure out matchmaking Brescon Rivavich, Ronaldo Rodriguez, and others. And we'll get some of your matchmaking bets as well.

So 10 a.m. Eastern for that, join us. We'll have some fun stuff going on on the website as well. Solo Crop. Jed, Colo Crop loves you, Judd, just in case you didn't say that. I don't care. And Spencer Routremanner, we all think it's absolutely funny

that Michael Chandler is now fighting Charles Oliverigan. We all believe it's hilarious. because it is. The haters were right. He totally couldn't do it. They nailed it. Way to go haters and doubters.

But just remember the lesson we all learned from this. Don't ever, ever disrespect us with your pity. For Casey, for Jed, I am Mike Eck. Disrespect us with your pity. Good at everybody.

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