MMA Fighting - UFC 320 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Alex Pereira Destroying Magomed Ankalaev To Regain Title

Episode Date: October 5, 2025

Alex Pereira not only defeated Magomed Ankalaev in their rematch at UFC 320, but he made it look easy, needing only 80 seconds to get the knockout victory. Now that Pereira has exacted revenge, where... does "Poatan" go after adding another highlight to his already incredible reel? Following Saturday's pay-per-view event, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Jed Meshew react to a wild night in Las Vegas, Pereira's incredible performance, if he remains at 205, or moves up to heavyweight to fight Jon Jones. Additionally, they discuss Merab Dvalishvili's successful bantamweight title defense against Cory Sandhagen in the co-main event and what could be next for the dominant champ, Jiri Prochazka's insane comeback knockout of Khalil Rountree, the bonus winners and if the UFC got them right, Patchy Mix falling to 0-2 in the UFC, and much more. Follow Mike Heck: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@m_heckjr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Jed Meshew: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@JedKMeshew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. All right, folks, you hear them. The old victory drums. And they sound for Poetan. Shama, Alex Pereira, once again, the UFC light heavyweight champion of the world. He just decimates, destroys Magamette and Goliath in round one to regain the UFC light heavyweight championship.
Starting point is 00:00:49 A lot of people were counting him out. I thought Uncle I was going to win the fight. My man, Jen Mishu over here, I thought Uncle I was going to win the fight. But Alex Pereira, we kind of realized 10 seconds into this fight, less than that, that this was going to be a whole different affair.
Starting point is 00:01:02 Alex Pereira moving forward, being really aggressive, and he gets the knockout. Maraud Walsh, Willie, retains the UFC Bannamway title, winning four rounds to one over Corey Sandhagen. Yuri Perashka delivers one of the greatest moments of 2025, and a whole bunch of other things happened at the event as well.
Starting point is 00:01:20 Thank you for joining. We're joining us on the post-fight show. I am Mike Heck. That is Jed Mishu. And Jed, I got to tell you, UFC 320, pretty fun card. It's going to give us a lot of stuff to talk about. The UFC made us miss pay-per-view events, six weeks without one. Come back, five fights in the main card.
Starting point is 00:01:40 We had four finishes. We had Marab doing Marab things. And it ended with Alex Pereira doing the Shama thing. So all in all, how would you grade UFC 320? I would say this is probably one of the three to four best paper views of the year without like being able to list them with the pen and paper. But yeah, this is pretty damn good. Was it not?
Starting point is 00:02:02 Was it an A. To me, this is an obvious A for a card. It looked solid on paper. Maybe a little underwhelming. Could have maybe used like a touch more juice or like very quibbley remarks to make about it because mostly it's just like, oh. Three really great fights and some other meaningful ones. So we get there and they all deliver, right?
Starting point is 00:02:27 Like the main card was fire. I don't like Joe Piper. We'll talk about that, I'm sure. Good little performance room and come back win. Nice finish. Impressive finish from Yusuf Zalal. Uri Pajga, my beautiful baby boy. Just being the most year.
Starting point is 00:02:45 Like the most Yuri Per Haska fight you could probably ever have. Come back of the year round. of the year perhaps. Going to win five of the night. We haven't heard bonuses yet. That's going to win fight of the night. Co-main event was significant and impressive, not the most entertaining,
Starting point is 00:03:02 but impressive and important. And then Alex Pereira continues this remarkable run in the main event. Like, if you bought this on pay-per-view for 80 bucks, you got your money's worth. If you attended the event, you're leaving that night happy. This is the UFC doing,
Starting point is 00:03:18 you know, this is the UFC on its day game and delivering. So a card, for sure, one of the better ones of the year. Had a great time. Yeah, it was a great card. What an ending. Alex Pereira getting, you know, this is old adage in the pro wrestling world that WWE always sent fans home happy.
Starting point is 00:03:36 It was always Hogan must pose. And that's kind of what they got here. Poetan must pose. He did the meme thing. And the crowd went absolutely bananas. They went ballistic for him. I got to say, even just kind of looking at the odds, I didn't realize that Pereira by chaos is plus 310 because I would absolutely bet that.
Starting point is 00:03:54 Seems pretty wild. And I didn't even really look at that because I didn't think it was even a possibility that that was the case. I did not at all check that out. I did cash on this fight, but I didn't look at that one. On the list of things that might surprise you in this fight, was Pereer just going out and nuking Ancolaev without any real opposition in the first couple minutes of this fight? where did that rank on the list of surprising outcomes it's surprising that happened so easily but my position heading into this fight i i did not know what to expect i there were just so many
Starting point is 00:04:33 left over questions from that first fight um new questions not even left over questions that were raised because of like what sort of shape was alex and you know did uncle i have his best performance etc. The thing that I felt the best about that I think I was pretty right on, frankly, is I don't know who's going to win. I think the fight's going to look entirely different than the first fight. That was the thing I kept saying all week. Perera is coming in to send a message. He's not going to go out the same way. If he loses, it's not going to be because he lost another tepid kickboxing bout. He's going to come in to throw hands. Uncle I have is going to meet him in the middle in that regard. He's high on the hog right now, feeling himself. And I do think that's what happened. And my stance was, I don't know who's going to win that fight. Either guy can land and win. Obviously, Pereira is the one who did. I think if they fought that sort of fight over and over again,
Starting point is 00:05:28 Pereira wins more often than not. A thing that I didn't notice in real time, because it all happened so quickly, but saw some people point out, deeply interesting that Magerman and Goliath fought the first fight entirely in Southball, went 25 minutes. he was in Orthodox for about 20 seconds caught a right hand and died
Starting point is 00:05:49 so it's perhaps we're draw that's a it's a small sample size to draw a conclusion but the moment he was not in South Paul Alex ended his existence so maybe next time if there is one you should go back
Starting point is 00:06:06 but most of the takeaway is we'll never know for sure Alex sure seemed like himself self tonight, the Alex Pereira, we've come to know. And, uh, that first fight clearly was the anomaly. This feels more true to the rivalry, the, the matchup. Well, apparently, I mean, based on what I'm seeing here and what the social sphere is saying as well, uh, Pereira was like kicking and landing and hurt him. Yeah. And kind of forced him to switch. I mean, the thing is he let, he leg kicked in the first one and uncle I was just like, that's fine. I'll keep standing here. And I'm not,
Starting point is 00:06:43 none of this is taking a single thing away from Alex Pereira it is just to note the moment that uncle I have was not in because Alex has sort of a history of struggling against South Falls in general it's just not as comfortable a fight for him um the moment he wasn't he laid the lumber down you know game over yeah hell of a performance he gets it done and now things are really interesting right now because Carl Solberg was sitting cage side and after watching Yuri Perashka do Yuri things and we will talk
Starting point is 00:07:19 about that without question he was definitely worried that was a worried man and even before the fight I think he was a worried man the energy levels changed from last week after he beat Dominic Reyes it was like I'm fighting for the belt next I'm undeniable to
Starting point is 00:07:35 hey I'll fight Yuri or Khalil next if I have to if that's what gets me to a title fight and we've been saying pretty much all along that in Magamadankalai if won, Carl Solberg was absolutely effed. He had no chance of getting a title shot. The Yuri Kalil winner was going to get it, especially after with Yuri, what Yuri did, there's no chance Oliver was getting a title fight.
Starting point is 00:07:55 He was going to have to either wait for a year to fight for the belt or he's going to have to fight somebody else. And now we're at an interesting thing right now because, yes, Alex Pereer beat Yuri Perashka on a couple of different occasions. One was the MSG fight. It was kind of the weird stoppage. People were kind of upset about it. And then the rematch happens, but it was on relative,
Starting point is 00:08:18 it was on super short notice because Connor McGregor could not fight Michael Chandler. They had to whip together a main event in a matter of weeks. Both those guys stepped in prayer colded him again. So knowing how the UFC does business and knowing that the UFC is about to head into this huge multi-billion dollar deal with Paramount. what do you think the UFC does here? Do you think they go with Pereira versus Ulberg? Do you think they go with Pereira versus Year E3?
Starting point is 00:08:51 Or do you think they just say, F it, let's do an interim title fight? Because it didn't seem like Pereira was like in an air hurry to put the belt down. What do you think happens? That is the last time Alex Pereira fights for the title at 205 pounds. He's not going to lay it down because why would he? There's no need if the U.S. is going to let him hold it.
Starting point is 00:09:10 But the U.C. has recently been pretty prone to not allowing champions to hold titles. Maybe they make an exception for him, but they didn't make one for Islam. And Islam holding the lightweight belt held a potential Tupuria matchup to it, right? Like he moves up, fails, comes right back. He and Tepuri lock horns if Tepri's interim champion. They didn't let him do it. Zhang Wili, who is the most deserving fighter active in the sport to get to hold the title if she wanted to.
Starting point is 00:09:40 She's not. It's a vacant belt going up for grabs at 115 as she moves up. My guess is they wouldn't let Alex hold it if he wants to go up to heavyweight. I think that's on the table. I don't think that's what happens. I think Alex is smart enough. He knows business enough. The UFC knows business enough.
Starting point is 00:09:56 That man flies the UFC 321. He is sitting caged side for Tom Aspinol, Cyril, gone. It doesn't necessarily mean he fights the winner, but he is there to create the opportunity to build that, fight to at least get the Twitter sphere talking get all the tweets happening well here's
Starting point is 00:10:15 I'm here to tell you right now I said this I think I said this last week on submission radio is the first place I put it out maybe it was even before then putting it out here on the MMA fighting airways for the very first time it's a great website we're going to clip this so everybody can know
Starting point is 00:10:31 I'm the guy this is my take standing on this take and I had this take before that post-fight call-out. I don't know if you've heard. There's a fight card happening next year on the White House lawn. Have you heard about that, Mike? They're fighting at the White House?
Starting point is 00:10:51 The weekend before July 4th, actually. Oh, wow. On the White House lawn, they got mark. They've got mock-ups. It's looking to be quite the event. A lot of fighters trying to fight at that event. Would you like to guess who is trying to fight at that event? There's a big name fighter.
Starting point is 00:11:10 Sean Amalley. I mean, he probably is, but that's not the one I'm talking about. There's a guy I don't know if you've ever heard of a man named Jonathan Jones. Jonathan Dwight Jones. He is trying to fight in that card. Dana White has said John Jones will not fight on that card. But the thing is, Dana doesn't want John to fight it because John's not reliable. That's from the horse's mouth.
Starting point is 00:11:35 Dana has said, I can't trust him to show him. show up and he can't trust him, not because of the UFC 151 fiasco, not because of the myriad issues John has had legally or with USADA, et cetera, because Dana specifically said, those are not why I can't trust him. He can't trust him because John spent four, five, six months, whatever it was saying, I'm going to fight Tom Aspinall. That's fine. I'm open to doing it. And then he just bailed because he didn't want to fight Tom Aspinall. Because by all reporting out there. As far as I can tell, it is true that John made an ask, the UFC met his ask, and John said, never mind, I'm not going to fight him. And so Dana can't trust him.
Starting point is 00:12:21 But that's just because John don't want to fight Tom Aspinall. Yeah, well, we already knew that. He's never wanted to fight Tom Aspin. He's not interested. He wants to fight Alex Pereira. It doesn't make sense if John's the heavyweight champion. John's not the heavyweight champion. It doesn't make sense if Alex. is the light heavyweight champion. Alex doesn't have to be the light heavyweight champion. And what makes the most sense, Mike, is that the White House card, people are like, what's going to headline?
Starting point is 00:12:48 Connor McGregor being thrown out, I think that's very possible. A title fight doesn't belong at the White House because that show is a spectacle. It's grandiose. It's ludicrous. It's pretty ridiculous to be happening. A title fight happens in a normal arena in the normal course of business. This is the first UFC on the moon Doesn't need to be a bantamweight title fight for it needs to be
Starting point is 00:13:13 We're out fighting on the moon It would be pretty fun I don't know how great he'd be But it would be it doesn't need to be that It needs to be the most over the top wild shit possible And Connor McGregor Michael Chandler in the main event And John Jones Alex Pereira for the BMF heavyweight Goat belt whatever you want
Starting point is 00:13:33 You could call it anything you want they fight for a fake title both men won it every fan would lock in nobody would care that it's not for a real belt and it fits at the white it is the thing that gets the White House card over outside of it just being the White House
Starting point is 00:13:51 that's what's happening that's my ought no prediction I want that on record everything I said up to and including co-main event to Connor McGregor Michael Chandler's name I see somebody saying that John Jones does not want to fight the Alex Pereira that fought tonight. That is deeply untrue.
Starting point is 00:14:08 That is deeply untrue. That man has been wanting to fight Alex Pereira for well over two years. And do you want to know why he believes he can win that fight? Because he will tackle Alex Pereira. He has a high level of confidence. He can win that fight. Yeah. He will outweigh Alex Pereira by like 15 pounds.
Starting point is 00:14:24 He will tackle him and that fight will be like that. Now could he get cracked? Certainly. Of course he can. It could always happen. It could always happen. That fight, everybody's in on that. fight. I'm in on that fight. It doesn't need to be for the belt. The need to be. And with John
Starting point is 00:14:40 not having the heavyweight. That was the whole thing I said at the time. John just needs to vacate the belt and I'll give a shit what he does. That's what we all said. Yeah. And that's it. Tom can do the work of being the heavyweight champion. These two dudes can do a super fun, super fight. And, you know, Carlos Seldberg can fight Yuri Perashka for the vacant belt. Perfect. I'm totally fine with that. So we shall see. What's next for Maga Ben and Goliath? Where does he go? I think this was... It was really, really bad loss.
Starting point is 00:15:09 This is a really bad night for him. Just the way it happened is very tough. It's very bad. Corey San Hagan's in trouble. Patchy mixes in deep shit, which we'll talk about later on as well. But boy, this is about as bad as a good get from Maguaglanca. It's pretty tough.
Starting point is 00:15:24 I will say the one saving grace. This was my take beforehand. Don't change anything. Light heavyweight is a bad division. And he's a little bit more insulated from this side of loss, especially with Alex. Probably either way, it seems really unlikely. Maybe, maybe Alex fights Carlos Elberg.
Starting point is 00:15:43 I cannot see him fighting anyone else beyond that one title of defense. And then he's doing other things, whatever those things may be. And so Uncle I was in the mix with Alex as a short timer. But this is about as bad as it could have gone. There were people who argued that Alex won the first fight, certainly. And there were a lot of people that were like, well, maybe Unk won, but Alex looked like ass. And all of those people are now, to some extent, validly vindicated.
Starting point is 00:16:10 And be like, yeah, look, that's real Alex. You ain't, you're not him. And so that's such a bad loss that if Alex says vacate, he doesn't get to fight in the vacant title fight. It's all berguerie for sure. Uncle is going to have to beat somebody. You know, I don't know who that is. There are plenty of options you could do. Because the other thing like Uncle have actually, he's fought some dudes, but he hasn't fought a lot of the top.
Starting point is 00:16:35 top guys or like the currently top top guys um i don't think they'd run yon back just because that fight made people so angry the yon bohoevitch fight um yeah they would that fight will never happen again could do that um you know keel i know we'll talk about cleo coming off very tough loss and probably an extended layoff in his future but that fights out there uh jamal hills out there he's going to he's going to do that as a mersikonov is going to just run over his fight's He's fake rackets, right? Yeah, he's going to smoke that's correct. And I think that's at, is that three, that's three 21.
Starting point is 00:17:11 Yeah. That's the main card opener three. I mean, I don't know what their relationship is, but if they're not like training partners or anything, that that's, that's who he should be fighting. Um, yeah, that's totally fine. I, no wrong way to eat the Reese is for him, really. Any dude in the top 15, um, a okay with it. And that, that's, he's just going to have to get a couple of wins and buy his time. You have two wins and he fights for a title again.
Starting point is 00:17:35 And if theoretically Alex is somehow still the champ And he can put together a couple of wins And Alex is defending He does have a win over Alex You can do a trilogy It's not the most sellable thing But that can't He's not totally out of sorts
Starting point is 00:17:52 But that's about as battle loss As you could take for him Really really tough step back for his career Yeah The UFC was in very little rush To give him a title fight You could tell Dana's reaction
Starting point is 00:18:07 There's a There's a Getty photo That just told you the whole story In March UFC 313 Dana in the cage holding the belt Knowing Who would the champion The worst thing that ever could have happened
Starting point is 00:18:21 To Moffsor Evlov was Marrieneke alive Winning the belt Was they're not doing two of those You mean we might have to have two of those You're never fighting EFLV Maybe Maybe the great Dean Thomas We can get his take
Starting point is 00:18:34 And they can just trade uncle I have to PFL for Dakota Dichima. Let's let's let's all remember that Dean Thomas went on between the links and said into a live microphone. There's only one woman back and beat Kayla Harrison in a five round fight at 135 pounds. Her name, Macy Chieson and boy oh boy. I think that take is, uh, I thought Jason won the fight. I want to be clear.
Starting point is 00:18:58 I actually did think she won it. What? Not a robbery. I thought she got the second round. Not a robbery at all. Um, totally, totally. reasonable. But I thought she had just a second round was a swing round. I thought she edged it. And I mean, she certainly finished the fight very, very strongly, much more strongly than really
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Starting point is 00:19:59 there, the last one. Enjoy a Coca-Cola for a pause that refreshes. Marab Wallace, really. He's really good at fighting. He beat Corey Sanhagen. This was not the Marab who just iced Sean O'Malley. This was the Marab who beat Umar and beat Jan and beat Henry Sehudo and beat every guy along the way.
Starting point is 00:20:31 Erroneously was given a victory over Josaldo, who I will go to my death, believe it. lost one fight at Panam White. Yes. I actually thought Corey Sanhagan stylistically matched up pretty well if he fought the fight that he could fight. And in the first round, he sure did. That was the Corey I thought we could see.
Starting point is 00:20:55 And then Marab dinged him bad in round two, hurt him. And Sanagrae was just never the same after that. He had openings. Marab gave him to him. He got real timid. He got real timid. Stop throwing shots.
Starting point is 00:21:06 Stop moving forward. And the moments he did move forward, he scored and did really well. He hurt Marab at one point, stung him a little bit. Looks like things were getting a little interesting. But Marab's just an absolute demon out there. Gets it done, wins four rounds to one. Gets it done. And yeah, and still.
Starting point is 00:21:25 Yeah, I had a slight misread on this fight. I thought Marab was going to win. I've almost climbed with him. Didn't you talk me out of it. I'd be a lot more mad about my climb. bet was one of the easiest cashes that's ever happened. So totally fought with it. But, you know, this was a classic morale performance.
Starting point is 00:21:48 I thought that Corey, I think I was right about Corey. I was just, I was wrong in how competitive he would be. Because I was like, yeah, Corey's not going to win. He's going to show some stuff. He's going to look pretty decent at points. He's going to lose because that's what he does. And I think that's true. the only real disappointment
Starting point is 00:22:07 I thought Corey would go for broke when he got behind and I don't know if that if it's just because like to me the fight really did shift very heavily on the second round when he got hurt the fight was functionally over at that point
Starting point is 00:22:22 Corey just never Corey had confidence in the first round and then he didn't have any confidence until the very end he started to finally build some back up but by that point Marab was he's just a snowman ball rolling downhill. You can't give him any momentum. He took all the momentum in that moment.
Starting point is 00:22:40 And you don't have to like him. And I don't, frankly, you cannot deny the efficacy and the greatness of Maraud de Las Philly. He is, I think, definitively, the second greatest band and weight of all time now. I think quite clearly not the greatest man of weight of all time. But that's probably moot because by the end of his career he's going to be. I said, but I've been saying that for, I'm just, saying that's the start of the year. If he beats Umar, he's going to end up being the goat. Because once he beats Umar, there ain't nobody. And he beat Umar and there ain't nobody. He is going to be your 20, 25 fighter of the year. Uh, I don't know anybody else who's in contention that may be somebody I'm missing off the top of my head, but all things are, I think that's just your
Starting point is 00:23:25 fighter of the year and, uh, credit to him. Like he's, that's greatness. It is what he is. We have bonuses, Jen. Okay. Care to take a guess? A fight of the night is your perhaps could clear a roundtree. Yes. If that had not been. They've had some real kooky shit this year.
Starting point is 00:23:47 I would have driven to Las Vegas. I wouldn't have even flown. I would have driven to Las Vegas and just knocked on the apex door until someone answered. And I could yell at them. Trust me. This might give it away. There's going to be a questionable.
Starting point is 00:24:02 There's going to be a questionable one. I'm going to be a questionable one. I'm going to assume Alex Pereira got a bonus. Yes. As a performance. So there's another bonus. There's two more bonuses. Oh, they gave a third performance bonus.
Starting point is 00:24:13 That's interesting. All that. I just don't think they're going to give it to your boy. I'm going to say they gave Yeri the double. Yeri gets a bonus there as well. Okay. So this one more. Oh, well, I feel like you, it should go to use of the law.
Starting point is 00:24:32 Yep. But I bet they. gave it to Joe Pfeiffer. They sure did. Yeah, they did. What did I tell you on the people's free fight? I love that because they gave to others and it's just like, here's Joe's because we are going to, boy, we're going to shove Joe Pfefer down your throat.
Starting point is 00:24:46 You're going to like that kid. So we're not going to give it to Rames Brahimage, which is way cooler. We're not going to give him to Shabazian. We're not going to give it to Daniel Santos. We're not giving it to Gautier. I'm not giving it to use this a law. I'm comfortable not giving it a Gautier. Zalalal is the one that is up like the most egregious.
Starting point is 00:25:05 The dude went out there and tapped Josh Emmett in 90 seconds. Yeah, that's the one that's by far the most egregious. Yeah. The fact that like. Piper was impressive, but that is not more, Joe Pfeiffer was not more impressive than you still outside. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:25:18 There's not. He just wasn't. It was a good win and an impressive way. I'm not here to shit on that. It's so transparent because they didn't even have like the forethought to be like, we'll give four. We'll make it special. They're like,
Starting point is 00:25:30 no, here are the bonuses. And we're giving Joe Piper a bonus because we are going to make Joe, like we are going to make this do the thing. Insofar as they are trying to build a star, they believe in him in a way that far exceeds his actual capabilities, frankly. But it's like, no, yeah, he gets an extra one. Because it was his better,
Starting point is 00:25:55 his no boy in hell is better than freaking Erie or Alex. So it's just like, here are the obvious four bonuses that we would give. And here's an extra special one for extra special boy who we love the most. It is the participation trophy of bonuses. And they didn't even have like the, the smarts to give participation trophies to the other people was like, oh, here's the coach's kid also get a trophy because we got to give the coaches kid one. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:22 I, I said on the people's pre fight show to Dennis, I said Joe Piper. I was like Joe Piper could win 3027 and he's going to get a bonus. That is what's going to happen. They're going to do every single thing they can to give him a bonus. And that is what happened today. They're so on brand. Yeah. This is,
Starting point is 00:26:41 this is to me, I mean, look, it was a good finish. It was a good performance with Joe Piper, but to get a bonus over Yusuf Salal is friggin' insane. Yeah, that's.
Starting point is 00:26:52 Absolutely. It's on brand. Yeah. Yes, good one from Rob. I don't know where he goes. I mean, sure,
Starting point is 00:26:59 you could do Mario Batista. if he beats Umar. I'm really not in a hurry to see Umar get run back. I want to see Umar. You shouldn't. Umar's got time, man. There's no need. I think Maraub beats him again.
Starting point is 00:27:11 But like maybe in two years and Marab stays at Bannamweight, runs off like four or five more defenses. Yeah, I'm a little more intrigued by that. But I'm certainly not interested in seeing it a year after it happened when Marab was 60% in that fight. So not really in a, uh, not really all that excited about that. Sure, you could do Pierre Rion. Like, I'm someone interested.
Starting point is 00:27:31 interested in that but marab just ran his ass over so badly that there's a part of me that like doesn't want to see it and there's a part of me at this point it's just like i don't i'm really not interested watching rob fight anybody in bannamway because he'll just win like i kind of want to see this man challenged in some way and i actually thought cori san hagen might be the guy to do it and super didn't happen after the first five minutes so great win from rob the guy's fantastic he's going to be so hard to beat in a fist fight. But let's move on to the moment of the night. I do.
Starting point is 00:28:05 Oh, please, please. I do want to push back slightly. I don't like Marab. I've made no bones about it. I'll never question his greatness. He's not to my taste. I don't. He is undeniably a great and effective fighter.
Starting point is 00:28:22 He fights in a way that I think is bad. I just no other way to put it. It's effective and it is not something I enjoy and it's not something like if all fighters were Marab, I would not be a fan of the sport. That being said, I have limited interest in the Peoriaon fight
Starting point is 00:28:44 beyond its high level mixed martial arts. It's meaningful and it's deserved. Those are the things that are most important. So fair, it should happen. If Mario Batista, who again, Mario Batista, I also don't like him. If he beats him Mara, which I don't believe that he will, but if he does, I want that fight, I'm interested in that fight.
Starting point is 00:29:03 I'll still pick Maraub to win that fight, certainly, but that's something new and different. So that is where I'll be like, I'm with you to a point. I still want to see him defend the belt because that's how greatness is established in the sport. But that is a fight that would, in fact, pull real intrigue outside of a perfunctory. Got to watch it. It's a title fight. blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:29:28 There you have it. Can we talk about your repraschia now? I'll spend my life talking about that, man. That, I can't wait for this show to be over only because I want to clip our reaction to that so badly. My favorite is one of my favorite fighters all time. Dude, down two rounds on all three judges' scorecards to Cleo Roundtree, who fought so good.
Starting point is 00:29:51 Like, he looked fantastic in the fight. We were so confused watching this. this fight. I might just clip the whole fight. You're slipping around. I was confused. I was happy. I was scared. I felt the full range of human emotions is the best. Everyone thought like he tore his eight like I genuinely genuinely thought he hurt his knee. He's slipping all over the cage.
Starting point is 00:30:15 Apparently he didn't. I don't understand what was happening at all. And then at round two, he's just getting thumped up. And then he's just like, you know what? I'm going to start jabbing and showing my insane head movement. I'm going to do something new this round. It was like watching, it was like watching Cody Garbrandt fight Dominic Cruz. I was just like,
Starting point is 00:30:33 what the fuck is going on right now? But Khalil is winning the round. And then we get psychopath Yuri in round three. Honestly, as cool as the finish was, my favorite moment of that fight was round one where Khalil hit him as hard as he possibly could. And he got so pissed. He just was like,
Starting point is 00:30:51 wow. So the actual, the actual Johnny, drama, OUGA was just unbelievable. He got he got plunked so hard in the face and like so hard and it happened in a way where he was already like turning and walking
Starting point is 00:31:08 around that he just did the 180 looked him right in the face and went I was like what he does at least one thing a fight I've never seen happen to a fight before he's the best. He does a jumping knee into a right hand. In the air here's the knee still punching you while I'm falling back to Earth.
Starting point is 00:31:29 And then round three, he just goes absolutely bananas. And Cleo Roundtree is just a big dumb idiot button. It's the best. Cleo Roundtree's face as this is all happening. It's just like, what the fuck did I just get myself into? Like what is happening right now?
Starting point is 00:31:46 Yeah, he pressed the crazy button. Like the dude who started barking at that guy. I don't remember what Mike Breeden? Maybe it might. I think it is Mike Breeden. He's just like he just did that in the eerie way where he's not barking, but he's eerie. And he's just like, well, you're going to hit me a bunch and I simply do not care because
Starting point is 00:32:04 I'm going to sit. I'm going to get as tight as I can and hit you with whatever piece of bone I can. It's the bet. He's, he is everything that's right in the sport. Like, I, the love I have for Justin Gachie is permanent and forever. And Gachie is almost on his way out of the sport. will sad me in a way that is hard to put into words. Yeri just is Justin Gae, but even weirder.
Starting point is 00:32:33 And so it's way more fun too. Because Gaiji's like a relatively soft-spoken, kind of normal dude. Yeri's a psycho who goes to college to learn to learn brain. I went to college to learn brain for fight or like just the dumb. Like shows up afterwards, walks out to the main event in a kimono just to watch. cries because Alex got the belt back. It's a man who's knocked him out twice, who again, I can never say this enough,
Starting point is 00:33:03 accused Alex Pereira of cheating because he brought Amazonian river spirits to the cage. And not like a bit, not like a racist shale son in they were feeding a bus a carrot bit. Like he believes in his heart of hearts that Alex Pereer is channeling Amazonian river spirits to knock him out and not just a left hook or whatever. But despite the fact that he thinks this man has some semi-devil worshipping deal with demons to defeat him, still cried tears of happiness that Alex was able to complete his martial arts journey.
Starting point is 00:33:39 He's the best thing in this sport. He is my favorite fighter alive, and I hope he fights forever. He just might. He's the best. He's so, he, they're so, so, so, so, There's so few fighters in the sport who are genuinely one of one. Yerey is absolutely one. Like there ain't nobody who's ever been like him ever.
Starting point is 00:34:09 It's like, like pieces of Tony Ferguson and Justin Gate, but it's all wrapped up and he's the best. And it made me so happy that he won in the, it was the most yeary fight of all time. Like, oh, I'm going to try. He showed that he can compete. Pete was like a technically good guy or whatever,
Starting point is 00:34:28 but was losing that part. And then just went to crazy. He just went to the crazy button. He smashed the big red button in case of emergency. And Cleo was like, holy shit, what's happening? And then Cleo got brutally,
Starting point is 00:34:41 like brutally finished. That was a really bad, man. That was a really bad guy. Because that's when, that's what happens. When Yeri presses the crazy button, like you were talking about on the watch party. He was how Dominic Gray has died.
Starting point is 00:34:55 because he can press the crazy button and it's so, so mega. I love him so much. It didn't matter what happened in the two main fights and they were great. That was everything I needed tonight. It was the best man. I loved it so much.
Starting point is 00:35:11 Oh man. We mentioned Yusuf Zala, quick finish of Josh Hammett, didn't even not a beat of sweat, let that man's body. Joe Piper gets the bonus earning submission win over the unranked of Bootsamaga Madoff. Atiba Gautier
Starting point is 00:35:26 Incredible He finished Can we put this in perspective please? This is no This is no shot at Joe Piper Like really it isn't I honestly thought that that's arguably his best performance in the BFC Sure
Starting point is 00:35:41 Yusuf Salal finished Josh Emmett Faster than Atiba Gotié finished Traced on Vines Yeah That's fucking insane The number eight guy in the world tapped him like, Atta Bogotier fought a dude that he should have been a minus 16,000 favorite over
Starting point is 00:35:58 and Yusufzal finished Josh Emmett faster than Goteer finished him. Like, and no bonus. That's insane. It's just absolutely insane. It's a tough one. Daniel Santos knocks out, Yu Jusang, excuse me, Little Zombie.
Starting point is 00:36:15 Jacob Wicklacks defeats Patche McSpeas with decision. I'm sure we're going to get a bunch of questions about that. So we'll save that. Edmund Shabazian finishes. Marie Muniz at the buzzer of round one. Punisoriano remains undefeated at Welterweight. Not the most thrilling performance. Kind of a bummer performance, if we're being honest.
Starting point is 00:36:33 I thought he's going to get him out of there in the first. He did. Yeah, sort of, I mean, the air was already gone because of the fights before it, but sort of, I was looking forward to that one. I was anticipating that one, and then it cracked me down a little bit. uh yanna santos crushed the dreams of not just macy chasun but joseph boza as well um i mean no more you're still going to get that question no i i will never put that question on any of our shows it's never going to happen she's now lost two fights in a row we are done with this macy jason should be fighting for the ban on white championship conversation somebody wanted a murder tonight
Starting point is 00:37:12 Anthony, Yeree, Khalil was an early stoppage, sir. Sir, I assume that that's a J.K. That's a J.K. It's got to be because Khalil literally didn't stand up for like, he didn't even go to the fighter announcement because he couldn't stay on his feet.
Starting point is 00:37:27 They finally got him vertical and immediately sat him on a stool. The overhead shot of him, like just dead was crazy. Yeah. Because when Yeri kills you, he kills you. He kills you. He sure does. He kills you dead.
Starting point is 00:37:41 Free Bacherat. gets the win over Chris Gutierrez. We got a win for Remis Braemage. He taps, I mean, he cut open off of Van derives real bad. Nice head kick. Head kick, put it all in motion. Vaniford showed the remnants of that destruction to his head is a nasty cut. And then Veronica Hardy does what Veronica Hardy does.
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Starting point is 00:39:08 Sponsored by Bell. Conditions Apply. See Air Canada.com. We'll stick around for another like 15 minutes or so. We are Caseyless now. So we're down one less person, which means the workload just increases on everybody else. So want to go in and help out everybody else. So let's get some super chats. Critical Cameron.
Starting point is 00:39:30 You got everything right, Jed. But it's at 205 pounds. John's going to go back to whatever now. Best call out to a guy going through a tragedy ever. That's the thing. My take is a little less good because Alex kind of proffered it, but you can go check submission radio. I was legitimately on this week's ago.
Starting point is 00:39:50 But I think Alex sees it too, because apparently Alex was going to call out John and then John's brother passed. Incredibly good pivot to not be like, I'm going to pivot to something else. Like, oh, that was really good. Shout out to him. Like, I was going to call him out.
Starting point is 00:40:04 But then his brother died and that'd be a real dick move. because it would have been. And so he didn't because Alex Pereira is also pretty freaking cool. Yes. Jamba. M. Maine tribal gods,
Starting point is 00:40:16 as Yuri would say, blessed us boys. Got to ask higher, power for pound all time. Alex or Marab. Maraub is insane, but Alex is a three-time champ, two-division champ,
Starting point is 00:40:25 and Alex with a six to four lead in championship wins. It's a really good question. Would you rank Pereira higher than the Rob right now? That's actually a really good question, Spencer. Spencer, you should ask me
Starting point is 00:40:37 question again in the mailbag this week because I'd like to spend a little more time than just giving my off-the-cuff take. I think my answer is Marab as higher than Alex. And I certainly believe by the end of their careers, because I believe at the end of his career, Marab will be the goat. I know people are already going to give it to him. It's a fight. I think I'm there. It's just a fight. I'm not going to battle because I don't have enough anymore, but he's not it. But people are going to say it. And at the end of the day, it'll be true. Because I think he's going to defend his belt a couple more times.
Starting point is 00:41:14 And one more, if he gets one more, I have no issue with you calling him in the band of Waco. It gets two more. The debate is over. It's not a contest. And so because of that, because what Alex is accomplished and particularly the way he's accomplished it and in such a short period of time, it is, you know, it's important. I can't separate the fact that 205 is bad.
Starting point is 00:41:43 And so as good as his wins are relatively, and that is most important, Marav's wins relatively are better. He's more historically significant in one division. I don't put nearly the same weight to multiple division championships as other people do, though it does matter for something. But it's a really good question.
Starting point is 00:42:03 Like, if you want to say Alex is a greater fighter than Marab all time, I don't think that's wrong. I think if they both just never fought again, I'd come down on the side of Marab. But it's really close, man. Like, it's really close. And by the end of it, I don't think it will be.
Starting point is 00:42:21 I think Maraub will clearly separate himself. But also, I don't know if Alex knocks out John Jones and then beats Tom Aspinall, like he's, I don't know what we're doing. Alex Pereira is a very weird fighter because he defies conventional organizational patterns. because of the way his career, his career, he moves so quickly through middleweight.
Starting point is 00:42:40 He is a, he's a middleweight champion. His middleweight resume is poop, is two good wins, you know, but that's not his fault. It's, so he defies convention,
Starting point is 00:42:50 which makes it tough. It's a really good question, Spencer, I liked it a lot. Yeah. I mean, especially for you, when it comes to just
Starting point is 00:42:58 the importance of title defenses, and it is important. There's another thing he has, many of them. That's great. He's many championship wins. He's more. He does.
Starting point is 00:43:07 He does. And so, like, that's right. It's a really good question. One I never would have thought of, frankly, but it's a really good one. Sledo points out you see a huge smile on Hunter's face as Alex Wins. Look, there's no, there's no secret. The UFC will never publicly say this, but they were rooting for Alex Berwick. Oh, there is not a question.
Starting point is 00:43:23 Just like they're rooting for him at UFC 313. Spencer, again, once again, Uri proves being a psycho is more important than being better technically. And damn, Corey looked good until he got hurt. Sorry to hear about Casey. y'all still my favorite anime go-toes. Hey, we're not sorry. We love Casey.
Starting point is 00:43:39 Yeah, Casey's the man. You know, yes, being crazy is an underrated skill set in MMA. It, you know, it has limitations. It's not enough on its own. But having the big crazy button to press when the chips are down. Corey Sanhagan needed the big crazy button to press. It still might not have worked. I'm not saying it would have worked.
Starting point is 00:44:01 But on all three judges' scorecards, Kaleel was up two rounds and none. Yuri had to press the big crazy button. He did. And he may well be fighting for a boat in his next fight. Very well. Very much could happen. Crazy how everyone gave up on Alex and he proved everyone wrong again.
Starting point is 00:44:24 I don't think anybody like gave up on Alex. I don't believe. I mean, people did. But it wasn't even like a give up. It was just like we weren't interested in the first fight. We became less interested in the second fight. And then we sort of convinced our. ourselves to find ways, interesting ways to look at the fight.
Starting point is 00:44:41 It wasn't Alex per se. It was just like, it was more like the sort of Ankylai side of things where it's just like, I don't know if like the hunger is there just for Alex to fight him. Because the UFC was in no rush to do it. Didn't seem like Alex really cared all that much about it. And to me, like even after losing the first fight, like I had, honestly, like, when UFC 313 was over, I was like, all right. like just leave light heavyweight and go to heavyweight like it's okay that you don't need to run
Starting point is 00:45:11 this one back and you know he went out there and didn't friggin smushed him but yeah i don't think it was like i don't think anyone because even if he lost this fight it would have been like cool now he's done with ankle live he goes to heavyweight and they can try still try to win a third belt it's fine i will say uh most smart people weren't um i coined this phrase that i'm really proud of yesterday on MK, but Luke Thomas is the one who kind of put it out there and first made me like recognize that this is true. Because I do think it's true. There was certainly a big chunk of people and just the fandom in general who got off the Poetan bandwagon. And I'm not even sure they got off it in a way that they discounted him like the question suggests or whatever. But in the just,
Starting point is 00:45:58 oh, he lost and forgot about him. When he was no longer Shama champion, it was just like, okay, whatever. Fairweather fan e. Again, not that they were like, he sucks or whatever, but just like, we're out. And I honest to God, I genuinely believe this to be true after Luke kind of pitched it. And then it says, like, it's just because Ancolaev is, he's the Bermuda triangle of fighters. You lose to him and everyone forgets you exist. Like all the people that Anclyev has beaten is just been like, okay, well, that guy, that guy doesn't matter anymore. He lost too undeniably a great fighter in a megamanicola.
Starting point is 00:46:36 I have, but the way the UFC has treated him, it's, he puts you in purgatory. It's the, he's the Bermuda Triangle. And Alex just got out of the Bermuda triangle. He broke free by punching it. Sometimes the way to break the Prameter triangle is to punch you right in the face with the right hook. And that's what he did.
Starting point is 00:46:55 I'll take a few more. I'm surprised we can get a more patchy mix questions here. Uh, Joseph, Zoll is now one eight in a row at Featherweight. He wants the Roan Murphy next. Is that a good call out? I think it's a shitty call out. like I get like I don't think it's a great call out I think it's I don't know I think it's a bad
Starting point is 00:47:10 shitty call out but I think it's pretty bad one I think it's pretty bad I understand what he's trying to do he's just not good at this what you do is you shoot higher and you may get lower okay you shoot from mobsar that's the name you call you call him out you might just get that's a better call out yeah that that was one billion percent to call out because they are in no rush to give Movesar of life anything. They were going to throw Movesar of a boy of in there with Aaron Pico, and he would have killed Aaron Pico. And I said that from pretty much day one.
Starting point is 00:47:44 But that's the call. You call out the dude that nobody wants to fight. I do think that's a good call out. Yeah. So I don't like this call out. I don't think he gets the Rome Murphy fight. I do think if he called out Movesar, he might have had a better chance of getting it.
Starting point is 00:47:58 But I said immediately afterwards that I don't hate it. And I, to some extent, I think I stand on that. but I'm less confident since the U.S. you didn't even bonus his ass. They don't give a F about this, too, apparently. I think he could get the fight. I still believe Laron is the most likely got to fight Alex, but a lot of rumblings about other things afoot there. But I think the most sort would have been a better call out for sure.
Starting point is 00:48:28 And I think the most likely outcome is he gets an Arnold Allen, a, you know, John Silva, something like that instead. I think it's going to be John Silva. I already said it during the watch party. That is going to be my pick. Great win. Like what he did was very impressive. No doubt about it.
Starting point is 00:48:50 But we have to really break down this, this win streak he's on. Like there's one good one in and it's still an old dude. Yeah, Calvin Cater. Solid win, but also. That was his fourth loss in a row. It was the fourth of Cater's five current losing streak. Yeah. And that was not a fight that anyone's going to go back and rewatch.
Starting point is 00:49:10 No, it sure is not. What did? No, credit to him. He did apparently after blowing the doors off Emmett, go talk to Dana Cage, and I'm sorry. I'm sorry the cater fight sucked. My bad. That's good.
Starting point is 00:49:22 So, I ingratiate yourself. That's good. Like, he did what you needed to do. He's just not over, man. Apparently, like, and from what I saw as well, like, the crowd wasn't, like, cheering for him. It was like kind of quiet and one of those types of things. So I'm trying to look at this. Let's just talk about Patchy Bix.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Okay. Where does he go now? Let me ask you this because this is something that I've seen a lot of. True or false, that was Patchy Mix's last fight in the UFC. It would depend on what the odds you're giving me are. If it's just 50-50, I'll say false, but I ain't got no level of confidence in that, Mike. patchy i assume is costly he i don't think he's that costly
Starting point is 00:50:12 you would know better than i'm my assumption i don't know for sure i have no insight to this but just knowing how the ufc does business i don't think he's making cheap um he's not delivering any any value on it like he he he looked bad in both fights i haven't seen this fight so i can't say that definitively but based on what you've said everything i've seen he did not look good if he was losing but it was fun okay but he's not even doing that um you know
Starting point is 00:50:40 I feel like we talked about it in the buildup to this they told us what they think of patchy by giving him this fight against a guy who is tricky and fun but nobody knows him and is making his UC debut in Yakop Wicklets and he loses this fight you know I know that some people scored the fight for him some fighters thought patchy got robbed as a result of that I'm gonna guess
Starting point is 00:51:03 fights one more time. But if they were just like, hey, it's not working. You're giving off real strong Will Brooks energy. We're out. I would not. It would not be the most surprising headline to read in a couple of weeks. So I'm going to say yes. He'll fight one more time.
Starting point is 00:51:22 I would not. I wouldn't bet like a lot of money on that, though. Like I said during the watch party, and I'm just going to give away my wildcar picking on to the next one. He's going to fight Malcolm Wellmaker. That is the fight. That's what they're going to do. They're going to.
Starting point is 00:51:40 I hope they booked that this year. He might, they might, Patchy might fight out his deal. He, they will not resign him. Oh, I think that it will not resign him. That's a certainty. I don't know what his deal is,
Starting point is 00:51:50 but there ain't no chance. It's probably, I'm sure it's a four-fight deal. He will fight those out, but his next two fights will be in a position to milk whatever is left in that name and put in an attempt to put over contender series talent.
Starting point is 00:52:07 Like Malcolm Wellmaker, if there's, you would know better than I, because you've watched everyone, if there's like an exciting Banim weight that's come off this season, that they really like, that you're really high on,
Starting point is 00:52:16 that could be in like an A level tier type of guy. There's some good ones. I ain't nobody like, Wellmaker. Yeah. Wellmaker's the top, top one going right now. This is what's,
Starting point is 00:52:24 I mean, this is literally what they're going to do. It's, and I'm like, you say vindication, like, I feel vindicated with all my patchy mix takes. You nailed it.
Starting point is 00:52:38 I missed this one wide. This was probably my biggest miss of the night. Because Wiglets has never been a good, like I've watched a bunch of his KSW stuff, and I watched it specifically ahead of this fight. I went back and watched a bunch of them. I was like, that dude can grapple, but I know Patchy can grapple,
Starting point is 00:52:54 for real, for real. Apparently, he lost a lot of the grappling exchanges as well. I was like, Patsy is a better striker. And apparently that's not even true based on my. What happened? Yeah. And that's the ring, Weiklitz is not a man who's ever shown me a ton of defensive responsibility on the feet.
Starting point is 00:53:10 And so I was like, I think Patchy can win this on the feet and the grappling could be really fun, but Patchy's probably okay. And apparently that's not what happened at all. So I don't know what happened in Patchy. I don't believe that he, you know, found the level of the UFC because he's obviously great as beaten fighters who had success
Starting point is 00:53:29 and would be good in the UFC, etc., etc. Something happened. he ain't the same dude no more arguably it happened before he came to the of the UFC with Megamad Megamadov but I lost that fight too I just stone cold like I was like I think Patschy
Starting point is 00:53:44 I think this is a get right fight for Patchy and it was apparently super not so miss this one entirely not good man and I get like honestly like but the biggest takeaway I have from this fight is was it almost better
Starting point is 00:53:59 that Patsy lost because of like having DC and having other fighters say like all he got robbed so it almost like changes the narrative of the story it's almost like what happened to paul huge yesterday like pa i thought paul lost to uswin or magamatov yesterday thought he lost the fight 5045 is insane 4946 is a terrible card but the fact that that happened caused a little bit of tomfoolery into the fact of the fight and the judges and where it took place and all that stuff like it makes paul hughes seem like a sympathetic figure here to the point where like, well, maybe he'll just get a third fight despite losing twice to Oswin Amaga Madoff. If Patchy wins, like the whole thing is like, yeah, patchy won, but he looked like shit. Like, it's, it's tough, man. Like, he isn't such a tough spot.
Starting point is 00:54:47 And I think your Will Brooks comparison is perfect. It just is what it is. He just is Will Brooks. And I, that's the thing that I don't understand. I never understood about Will Brooks. I know for a fact, Will Brooks was a good fighter. I watch him fight good fighters. and succeed strongly against them.
Starting point is 00:55:03 What works beat Michael Chandler's ass twice. I know he's a good fighter. And he came to the UFC and he collapsed. And the same thing appears to have happened with Patchy. And I don't get it. And there are any number of reasons why. But yeah, I think that was my biggest miss of the night for sure. I wasn't like, you know, I had some incorrect predictions or stuff.
Starting point is 00:55:25 That was the one where I was just like totally off base, really thought this was a get right. Ain't no given right. I think, and I will say, and I stand by this, my take beforehand was that Patchy had the most to lose on this card. Feel okay about that. I don't feel that that take was wrong right now. Yeah, I think he's probably maybe number two. I mean, Sanagan is never fighting for the belt again.
Starting point is 00:55:50 So that's a lot for a guy that talented. But yeah, Patchy is, he's in complete no-man's land now. Chas Berkey, Jakob, Wicklitz is not a, no name prospect. He was the KSW Bantamweight champion for like three years. Yeah. Um, if you know, you know, KSW has produced several UFC champions. I love the signing. He's very, he deserves to be good. Still, I do fundamentally. Didn't see that coming, but he ain't a no name. Let's put a low respect on Yakub's name. Uh, we will end here. Critical Cameron. Thank you. Telling Corey to not go 100% in between round two or three might be the dumbest coaching advice ever.
Starting point is 00:56:29 tough look for my guy. I didn't even know that. We, so we don't get to hear the cornering because of the setup. Heard a lot of what Trevor Whitman was saying was relayed to us and I agreed with. I think that's correct to say that between rounds two and three because he was recovering from getting jawed and you shouldn't burn out your gas tank to try and get it back or whatever. They need to light more of a fire under his ass after the third round because that's, That's when he needed the big crazy button, and he never got there. A lot of people feel that it is an absolute certainty that Corey San Agile will fight Sean O'Malley next.
Starting point is 00:57:11 I don't think that's a certainty. I think Sean is going to fight somebody else first. Probably not a certainty, yeah. And I think Corey's probably got to take a little bit of time after this fight. I mean, I don't know where Corey goes for me. That's a really good question. It's tough, man. I mean, I know he'll just go back to work and he'll say that,
Starting point is 00:57:29 yeah, I lost, but one of my best effort. Back to the drawing board. Go, you know, keep working. And that's the right mentality, but I mean, just, just staying, you know. Just being like, just like him fighting.
Starting point is 00:57:42 I mean, it seems like he likes to fight. The truth is, and I think a lot of people, and I think Corey will have this mentality. And I think we as fans, and particularly me, I underestimate this sometimes as well with fighters, not just that they want to, but like,
Starting point is 00:57:57 sometimes, you don't see the path. But the only way forward is through. You just got to do it. You just got to chop some wood. And you, you chop wood. And if you chop enough wood,
Starting point is 00:58:11 maybe something opens up. And so it's like, yeah, I don't see the path for Corey back to the title. And I would bet a good amount of money right now that Corey San Hagan never fights for a belt again. And maybe Corey even thinks that. He's a very cerebral guy.
Starting point is 00:58:26 He's very self-aware. Appreciate. Yeah, but you can. But, you know, if I'm in his corner, I'm his team, we go back and I say, hey, we lost that fight. That sucks. Let's, let's sit with that for a little bit. Let's feel the emotion.
Starting point is 00:58:38 And let's go get a win. And then we get another win. And you don't, you know, get the touchdown 100 yards in one go. Maybe you do. But mostly you get it a yard at a time. And so, Corey says, I'll go back and I'll fight. I'll try and get new more rematch or whatever it is. And he stacks up a couple of wins and tries to get back there.
Starting point is 00:58:58 My guess is that's our Corey will approach it as a, well, back to the drawing board. Just keep, keep doing what I can and maybe something will open up. Maybe an opportunity will arrive. But it is, it's hard to see him getting one again at this point. Yeah. Will, pretty interesting comparison. He's Joseph Benavitas. Corey Sanagan?
Starting point is 00:59:20 Yeah. Not as good as Joseph Benavitas for being honest. But yeah, I mean, he's in, he's in that realm. I think your eye of favor is probably more Joseph Benavitas-ish. Probably his favorite won a belt before that and defended it quite some time. Well, yeah, I meant I meant like UFC-ish. He's just in that realm of, you know, we called it Franklin's own for a long time because it was Rich Franklin post-Anderson Silva of being really good but not the best.
Starting point is 00:59:49 You know, they're just, they're guys throughout the history of the sport who have been top five, but not top one. And that's always disappointing in athletics because you get into sports to be the best. Nobody gets in to be the third best anything in the world. And in sports in particular, because it's so public when you are number one, you know, there is no podium. This isn't the Olympics where you can get a bronze medal. And so it does feel like a letdown or disappointment, because you don't have anything to reflect on.
Starting point is 01:00:25 of like, oh, maybe I didn't get there, but I still have something. I have a thing to remember. Corey Sanagan doesn't, and he probably never will. And that's tough, but it is the sort of reality of fight sport. When the 18th, it was a school in a school, but you can go back and be like, you know what? We want something. We want a thing that was cool. Hearing Daniel Cormier talk about desperately wanting the bronze medal was like a really,
Starting point is 01:01:02 illuminating experience for me. He talked about it recently. I was like, man, I didn't want it at the time. I thought it was shitty. But then when they were going back and giving post hoc sussies to people for drug tests, I was like, please test these dudes. Let me see it.
Starting point is 01:01:17 Like I would run to go get a bronze medal 30 years after I lost the Olympics or whatever. I was like, and it honestly just like, oh yeah, that's it. Because if you don't have that, then you don't have anything. You have nothing other than, of photos and memories to be like I was one of the best guys that ever did it
Starting point is 01:01:36 at the time and that's where unfortunately that's going to be Corey San Diego has fight posters of memorabilia he'll have the memories and the knowledge that he was one of the six best guys in the weight class one of the six best dudes in the world
Starting point is 01:01:52 at his job I ain't one of the six best dudes in the world in my job frankly he gets to have that but he doesn't have the trophy and uh that's sucks, but it is the nature of the game. I think you're one of the six best. Thanks, buddy.
Starting point is 01:02:08 Absolutely. Thanks, buddy. And that's it. You hear the music, and that means we are out of here. And appreciate you joining us all night long as we've been talking for the last six consecutive hours or so. And more talking to be done. Oh, no, you got to put the zero in.
Starting point is 01:02:26 No, it's not zero. 25. You get the main event. 25 in the main. Yeah. I'm sorry. Actually, don't you? I think I give you for also a title fight animate event.
Starting point is 01:02:37 You get 50 points. You get the 50 burger. Sweet. I got a zero. I got two. And let's bump up Gotea, although you should have got a bonus. That's a 350 for Gautier. You're,
Starting point is 01:02:48 I got Jasmine. I got Gillian. You're closing in behind me. So there you go. So, yeah, we should see how that all goes. A.K.
Starting point is 01:02:57 and I back tomorrow. I'm not really sure what time. Think maybe around 11 a.m. Maybe. noonish. We will let you know everybody. Live edition. A.K. in taking Torres Finney as his wild part.
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