MMA Fighting - UFC 321 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Gnarly Eye Poke Ending Aspinall vs. Gane Headliner, Dern Strikes Gold

Episode Date: October 25, 2025

After a 455 day absence, Tom Aspinall returned to the UFC octagon to defend his newly-minted heavyweight title for the first time against Ciryl Gane, and despite the challenger being a massive underdog, Gane was prepared for the test. Unfortunately, an accidental, yet brutal eye poke from Gane led to the first championship fight coming to an abrupt end via No Contest in UFC history. Following UFC 321, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Jed Meshew react to the awful ending of the card that had fans up in arms, how Aspinall and Gane both looked before the fight was stopped, and if the UFC should run it right back. Additionally, they discuss Mackenzie Dern capturing the vacant strawweight title in the co-main event with a decision win over Virna Jandiroba, Umar Nurmagomedov defeating Mario Bautista, bonus winners, plus fan questions, and much more. Follow Mike Heck: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@m_heckjr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Jed Meshew: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@JedKMeshew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It did happen. It happened. It is certainly a card that transpired. It occurred. And boy, did it end in an incredibly unfortunate way. Finally, for the first time in 455. days, Tom Aspinall made his walk to the UFC Octagon, faced Cyril Gahn, who was probably fighting for the championship for the final time of his career as a third chance.

And Tom looked a little rusty, but he was landing some strikes. Gone looked pretty good on the feet. And it looked like gone was maybe taking a little bit of momentum and then gone with, I mean, a horrific eye poke. Just I didn't even realize how bad it was until they did the close up during the interview with Tom Aspinall. The replay makes it look worse than I thought in the real time. And I thought in real time it was bad, but it's pretty, it's not a great one. Not a great one.

But in the end, Tom Aspedal could not continue. And the result is for the first time, as we figured out in UFC history, a fight on the day that it happened, a championship out ended in a no contest. There has been another example. We mentioned UFC 214 John Jones knocking out Daniel Cormier. And what happened was John failed drug test, overturned to a no contest. That's the only other time that this went down. But this is the first time ever. The only other no contest in championship history for UFC championship history.

But wild, man. Just a tough scene for everybody involved, especially those who bought the pay-per-view. and we're hoping for a big moment in the heavyweight division for maybe this heavyweight division to move forward. Now that John Jones is no longer holding the belt hostage. But unfortunately, that's how this one ended. But Jed, in the end, McKenzie Dern is the UFC champion. And we'll get into that in a moment. I'm Mike Heck, that is Jed Micheux.

And Jed, we didn't have a lot of time to marinate on what just went down. But now that we've taken about five deep breaths, how are we feeling about what transpired here? We were talking just before the ignominious and happened, Mike, we were talking and I was like, I wonder how people are feeling about this card. It was that a great time, frankly. I was having a really good time.

But then I kind of just stepped back and I realized that's probably not how people are feeling writ large, right? Like the main card opener, banging. Asa Mursa Kanov will talk about gets it done. the next fight I thought it was very funny it's not it's objectively not the most enjoyable one to watch but the guy people wanted to win one

so maybe people are okay the Umar Batista fight I really enjoyed I can see a lot of people not thinking that's fun the co-main event we're going to talk a lot about that I had a great time probably not the most fun and then the main event happens and even if all those other four were awesome

there's no way for a card to end like that and be good. If you have a terrific four-course, you know, Michelin Star meal, every piece of it's good. The app's good. You get a wedge salad and it's tasty.

You know, you get the surf and the turf. Everything is great. And then for dessert, they bring you a big bowl of dog turds. It's, the meal is bad, because the end of the meal is so,

and the end of this meal was really, really bad. And on top of it, well, I had fun. I don't think anybody else really did. Yeah, so this wasn't a Michelin star with a poopy ending.

This was, this is all bad. And now here's a big bowl of dog turns at the end. I think a lot of people are going to be upset. Good news is here on the East Coast, it's 5 p.m. So after you get done watching us, two bonies,

you can go watch, you know, Vandy's playing Mizu and football. It's a beautiful day out here in the low country. It is. You can spend time with your family. But I think a lot of people are going to be unhappy. And I don't blame them. I had a decent enough time. But if you didn't, that is a valid way to feel.

It's a terrible way to end the card. It's a terrible way to end the fight. Because look, at the end of the day, like, gone was well prepared. He was ready. Tom did not look great. So he had a great opportunity. to shock the world here and it just ended in that way

this whole notion that Tom just quit is unbelievable. It is just unbelievable. After seeing that replay, after seeing the close-up of the replay, to still have that take is wild to be.

I understand you're pissed and you're frustrated and I get it. I get it. It's sort of like the initial reaction to it. But I mean, to say that this dude quit is just incredibly wild.

I don't get it. I don't get it. I think it's a combination of factors. Mostly I think it's frustration. Because you are a UFC fan. You paid 80 bucks to watch this fight. Yeah, I get it. I get it.

And you got to lash out at somebody. And the sport has been so conditioned. We just saw it the other weekend. Like, Kevin Holland should not have continued fighting. And he did because he didn't want this backlash, right? Like, that's it. The sport, the fan base, everything. is so conditioned to be like, oh, you're a wuss, you're quitter.

You are choosing not to fight, you know, walk it off or whatever. And so I think it's just a lot of that. You're frustrated and you don't have a great place to put your frustration. So you put it on the easiest target, which is the guy who said, I can't see. I think that's probably not the right way to go about it. But I do at least understand that. The thing I just sort of would like to convey to all of you doing that, and there are many of you in the chat right now.

And, you know, maybe many of you are feeling that way, but you're at least wise enough not to say it. Just think about what you're implied. Like, not even what you're stating outright. What you are stating, there are times when fighters are looking for ways out.

That is rare, but it does happen. And you know when it's happening. The one that immediately jumps to mind is Diego Sanchez. Michelle Pereira. Michelle Pereira. Without, yeah.

Undeniable, it was like, I don't want to. And the hallmarks of that are when the guy's losing badly. Now, Tom may have been losing that fight. I think he probably was behind on the scorecards. There's still a minute left in a competitive round. This was not, oh, I got semi-poked in the eye in a round there. This is myself. This is my lifeline out of here.

You know, he had plenty of success as well. He was in a fist fight as the heavyweight champion of the world. You're suggesting, some of you have outright suggested, well, because he was going to make it to the end of the first round, he quit. Because he's like, I can't win. That makes my heartache for the future of this. I encourage you to just take a deep breath and rethink how things make sense,

because that's obviously a very, very silly position. The most likely outcome is not that the heavyweight champion of the world, man who has beaten multiple top five guys in the weight class, who has been fighting professionally for some time and who hasn't fought in, you know, a year and some change. The most likely answer is not that that dude's a big old pansy. The most likely answer is a dude got poked in the eye and he's legitimately compromised. Oh, the eyelids closed. Buddy, I don't know if you know this.

Eyeballs are a fairly fragile device, right? And he took a pretty deep, one of them really dug in. and like, you should just take him at his word that he has hurt because he's given, there's nothing he's ever done to give you reason to believe that, that this is nonsense.

And so I would just encourage any of you to be like that to like, maybe just rethink it, you know, like it sometimes things, sometimes situations can be bad and not be anybody's fault. It can just be the way the cookie crumbled. And you don't have to be like,

that guy's a coward. Also, there's a collection of people who are just John Jones fans and his fans have become some of the worst in the sport. And they were going to take anything other than an absolute demolition as proof positive that Tom is bad and John is good, which I would encourage you to reflect on why you want to feel that way because it's probably that you do have some legitimate concerns that Tom might beat John, not saying he would.

That's probably why you feel such a strong way about it. There's a reason why Tom, why John didn't fight Tom. maybe this changes things no i mean john can poke his eyes real good but john will never fight it now because he knows that if he pokes him in the eye tom will be like i'm not fighting i can't see as opposed to trying to tough through it i i mean there's i'm truly fascinated by the implications of this because we just lost tom for 455 days through really no fault of his own it was the ufc and john jones's fault that he set out for this long. And he came back, clearly had some rust.

I mean, that's just, that's just what happens. Gone was well prepared, was ready to go, looked really good, and it ends in this way. And I wonder what happens with this division right now, because do you, is it a, is it a situation where we have to run this one back, like, and wait as long as it takes to do it? do they do they do they do another interim fucking title here and just do gone versus volkov or something two and the winner gets tom like i don't because if tom is out for a long time because of this like you can't stall this division you can't i mean you can because the division's awful and they're like four good fighters he's that's the thing for all of you who are insane and suggesting that tom aspinall is a is a crybaby and a coward and pansy which is an insane stance to take for all of you who that is is your belief. I can't obviously talk you out of that. Okay. That's a shame. You're you can be proven right in four months. You know, unless this is like I doubt it is like serious long term damage to his eye. It's possible. I'm not a frigging doctor. Um, but like the most likely outcome is

this gets rebooked for early in next year. And then we get it. And there will be the resolution. I saw somebody in the comment saying this looks bad for Tom. It shouldn't. It probably does, but not a, like, it doesn't look bad holistically or for reasonable people. The MMA fan base, and I love you all.

Like, you are why we're here. I'm part of you. We as a fan base are bad in a lot of respects. And so, like, yeah, we have sort of antiquated ideas about things. And so, yeah, the optics writ large probably are pretty bad for Tom here, but they're going to run it back.

And if Tom nukes him, then no one will care. And if Tom loses, then all the people who are calling him or quitter will feel vindicated, whether they should or not. But this will get resolved. And so it's okay to just be frustrated because you wanted an outcome. And instead, we got the least satisfying of all outcomes. I would just encourage all of you to maybe think before you're like, the heavyweight champion of the world, total pansy.

Yeah. It is what it is. I mean, it's a shitty ending. Like, we all agree. It sucks. This is a shitty way to end this pay-per-view. It blows. Without a forgettable pay-per-view outside of like three, one really good fight and like two good knockouts.

This is a forgettable card for sure. Yeah. It blows because we were denied one, a cool thing happening. Either Tom Aspinall was going to face some level of adversity, come back and win. Again, the idea that he was getting dog walked in there is very silly. and when you are saying it like that, it's pretty clear that you have a position. And so you're not arguing from a stance of honesty.

Like you're just arguing a point, which I'll be doing about McKinsey Dern very soon. So I get it. I'm not judging you from having a biased take because I'm about to have a few. He wasn't getting dog walk. He probably was losing. Maybe not.

Judging was a little questionable at times tonight. It's just unfortunate. Either he was going to suffer some adversity and overcome it, or Sue O'Gon was going to score a huge upset, turn the heavyweight division on its head in what would go down as the best performance of his career. And we're denied that, and that sucks. But I got to tell you, and this will be unpopular, and that's okay. It's okay to hate me.

Most people do. I would have disliked it a lot more if they clearly physically compromised Tom Aspinall gutted it out and got back to fighting and then got punched in the head and fell over because he couldn't see out of an eye. and I don't believe Tom Aspinall is a liar. You are, if you believe that he could have continued, by definition, or calling him a liar,

I'm not going to call Tom Aspinall a liar. I believe he couldn't see. And while this is an unfortunate outcome, sometimes that's just how the cookie crumbles, man. And that sucks. I genuinely sucks. If he dropped 80 bucks, I'm sorry. Yeah.

But I guess if we could take some solace in this, just think in a few months time you'll be paying a $9.99 or so subscription and then none of this matters. It's all good. You didn't spend $85. And it's just so weird reacting to this because we've never seen this before. Like we've never seen a fight card.

Only two times does a fight ended like this at all of the like a foul ended the championship bout. The other one is the Aljo DQ, which obviously was a whole big thing, blah, and very different circumstances. Much later in the fight, at the time,

you can go back and pull the tapes. I stood with Aljo. I still stand with Aljo. And, you know, I think that is worse than this. But people, at least in that one, Mike,

I did get it. I disagreed fundamentally, right, with the, but I did get that, like, Peoria Yan was starting to win that fight, clearly,

right? Like, I thought he was, he was, he was, he was, he was very clearly about to run away and win that fight. And so I could understand the optics, I could understand people being like he took an easy way out. I never thought that for a second, but I could understand it. This one, people are straight up acting like Cyril Gahn was wailing on him. He was probably winning. Yeah.

It was a super close. He was probably winning and may well have gone on to win that fight convincingly. but the idea that he like, no, I knew I was going to lose four minutes and some change into the fight. That seems very ridiculous to me. Yeah.

And there's a lot of people saying, like you guys said that Henry Suhudo and Kevin Holland quit. I'm like, what the frig are you talking about? Oh, the Henry Suhudo one is the one that probably drives me the most crazy because, like, of all the people,

Henry Suhudo is an Olympic champion. Like, that dude don't quit for shit. Yeah, that one was tough. Is it? I remember, like, the one thing we said was like, okay we don't need to run this one back like we've seen we i just said like we've seen what we need to see we saw three rounds of song yodong beating up henry sehudo oh yeah that's the thing like yeah i was always like yeah like okay i don't need any more of this fight terrible ending you feel for henry

but song won the fight like he was winning it's it's okay and it was not four minutes of action it was over an extended period of time so we're like okay no need to run this back henry can go do something else and song can move on and fight somebody else like we know what that fight looks like we've learned enough and who knows maybe henry gets to come back when who who knows and the kevin holland won like our only gripe was darn dan murgeliata being the worst referee in the history of the sport like it was just so bad the way he he did that like he should have he should have done what happened here tonight kevin holland should not have been allowed to go back out in there and fight mike milot that should have ended in a no contest and we'd be having the same

right now. Like that's what this should have been. So it sucks. It's fucking unfortunate. It's the worst way for this card to end. It's kind of funny. If we're being real. Kind of funny.

It's kind of funny. All right, please. It's just a ridiculous outcome. Like for we bad car. No, because we all, everybody plays the game, especially on cards when you're like,

there aren't that many narratives or whatever. It was like, what happens if? And we were even like, we, it was pitched earlier. What happens if, uh,

the co-meative of, it ends in a draw and you're like that's the worst case scenario well what happens if this is the worst case scenario volkov gets screwed we'll talk about him more in a little bit yeah um and it it just deflates everybody it makes everybody worse um but yeah i mean i've said my piece i always the the simplest answer is almost always the right answer and the simplest answer is that tom aspinall was compromised and did not continue to fight and i believe that's the correct career decision and they will run this back and we will get clarity one way or the other we will get clarity and there you go and tom stock takes a hit unfortunately in the court of a public opinion it's not fair but it's going to

nobody is arguing i want to be super clear i i guess i can't speak for you but i'm very certain you're on the same page with me i am not arguing that tom is not hurt by this his stock absolutely dips i'm arguing that it shouldn't but i also understand that that's not that's just not a reasonable thing thing for me to believe. I'm truly curious what Data White has to say. Because if Dana White, if Dana White puts Tom over, then I think a lot of the opinion will change.

The opinion overall. And I will say the percentage of the chat will change. If Dana White goes out and be like, dude, can I tell you what I think Dana White's going to say? What's he going to say? I think Dana is going to say a thing that it's come up a few times in the chat, not a lot. And we haven't mentioned it at all.

I haven't seen it a lot out there Dana White's gonna be like we gotta fix these gloves man I'll tell you we gotta fix these gloves We tried to fix them and it didn't work We're gonna take another crack at fixing these gloves Oh my Lord now that would be That would be freaking fun

But yeah like they're gonna rematch People will be as down on that rematch Maybe more down on that rematch than they were on this fight in general I'm frankly more compelled by that rematch now because gone stuffed the initial takedown and had plenty of success on the feet. I said it in the lead up to this fight. I was like, I'll be surprised if Tom loses.

I won't be shocked because there's so much I don't know about Tom Aspinall. We still don't know a lot about Tom Aspinall, but we learned a little bit more, and that means zero ground has a better chance. I see people are saying my opinion is based on all of these fighters saying that Tom quit. who said Tom quit or who said Tom was looking for wait besides chale because chale does that shit on purpose

jail knows knows the game like this is what chale does yeah so i'm waiting for the like i'm waiting for our twitter reacts to wouldn't shock me of some fighters right now the issue is like i'm looking through we have a whole page of like every ufc fighter those in a thread and not one of them said that he quit Terrence McKinney kind of did, but then, but then he saw the replay and was like, okay, the fighters who, I'm going to guess, I'm going to guess that not a lot of fighters actually say that.

Some will, I will one say, it's what I mentioned earlier, there's a bad culture around quitting. There is a culture in the sport that you should fight until you can, like until you're dead, which is obviously true in a fight that matter. This is a sporting athletic contest.

No. And I would also be I could be wrong Maybe there's a It I'm so we're clear it doesn't matter if every fighter alive came out and said that my opinion won't change But I'm gonna guess that none of them are like Champions of the world You know I'm gonna guess that you know the Jose al does the Israel a disinias The Alexander Volcanovsky's are not like that guy's a quitter

Because that seems like a ridiculous thing Alex Pereira on Instagram Oh, Alex Pereira, the guy who potentially is going to fight him? Sure. He's watching. It's a video of him watching Tom. Oh, so he did. He's shaking his head.

Look at him. Look at his reaction. He's shaking and he's smiling and the, he puts out a tweet, it says, let's make the heavyweight division great again. Yeah, I wouldn't put any stock into what John Jones or Alex Pereira, men who have a vested interest in setting up and or diminishing.

They're saying stuff. And also like, yeah, man, I don't know what to tell you. Again, you can believe that Tom Aspinall quit. You can do that. You are saying you are calling him a liar on very shaky evidentiary basis. You can do that. I'm not going to be the guy to do that. I'm not doing it either.

So that's the main event. I wish we had, I wish we had more to freaking talk about here. We got so much more to talk about. Yeah, good. I mean, look, God was ready. did it, buddy. You can tell he poured his heart into getting ready for this fight and, uh, yeah. I feel, so I feel bad for Volcroft, but we'll talk about him a little bit. I would feel bad for gone because it, he looked super prepared and ready.

Yeah, he's ready to go. Except for he also cheated, so I don't feel bad for him. It's not that hard to not poke a dude in the ice. It's just not a lot of, a lot of fighters never do it. One of the things that nobody ever mentions about Habib that I always think, I've, like, I went back and checked this out. As best I can tell, Habib committed, one penalty his entire UFC run. He got caught grabbing the shorts one time of Gleason T Val, I think it was. And the rest, because like, you don't have to commit these penalties. You are, you're doing stuff that can lead to it.

Zero gone did. I don't think he was intentionally poking him in the eyes. But like, he did it. So I don't feel that bad for him. And I really don't, he's, apparently Dana Wye has already said, they're going to run the rematch. We'll get, we'll get a solution here, boys. Yeah. So there you go.

So that's the main event, but guess what? We're living in a world. Rejoice Jedmishu, Shaheen Al-Shadi. And I know there's other people on other shows who are going to be like, I never gave up on McKenzie Dern. And for those people, I call you liars. Those people I will call liars because there are only two people on this planet who believed that McKenzie Dern would be a UFC world champion.

It is Shaquine Al-Shadi, the man I miss tremendously. and this guy right here who just never got up the island never jumped on the boat I mean there were yachts yachts driving up to Durn Island saying come with us come with us

it is sinking into the sea get off while you can and they were like Lloyd and Harry when the Hawaiian tropic bus pulled up at the end of dumb and dumber come on we'll give you a job with us who's like no there's two better dudes right down the street you can pick up

it was the end of the Jurassic Jurassic World where the islands falling into the ocean and the volcanoes erupting. And we're just like, nope, been texting all day. I texted him one after the main event. I was like, Shaheen, is this the price we had to pay for McKenzie Dara?

I'm okay with it. And he's like, hard saying. Don't, buddy, I don't. It was the best. The co-main event is the best. She will not defend that belt successfully one time. It doesn't matter. Because we have, we'll have today forever.

those and honestly and it was the most McKinsey Dern way really to win it in a lot of respects she never looked good but she just kind of kept trying right like I didn't actually I don't remember what the scorecards were I was a UD which I was a little surprised by Frank you thought it would be a splitting um because it was a very 48 47s and a 49 she got a 49 46 it was a very competitive fight um but like it was honestly it was so much of what I said it was going to be, which is like, it's the first fight, just 10 more minutes. And they're both a little bit better of like, Verna has a better game all around. She can score takedowns.

She can stifle the grappling game. You know, like she has a, she has a cohesive game. But McKinsey Dern is a little more athletic, a little more physical. She tries a little harder. And as the fight went down the stretch, like that fight was very competitive. And then Dern won the last two rounds, I think on most scorecards, I would guess. because Werner kind of slowed down a little bit and McKenzie didn't wasn't none of it was pretty

it's not how you teach fighting she just try like she just kind of kept trying and Verna kept trying too but she just didn't have enough enough of the effort in her and so it was just like the only way it could have been more classic is if the one like round that during one early she won by taking the back and holding it for four minutes but instead without doing any damage but yeah

She basically just sort of gutted out a win. And keen-eyed people could correctly criticize me right now for being like, how come when McKinsey Dern does it? It's awesome. And when Amos a hobby does it, he's not a good fighter. And my answer is, McKinsey Dern's not a good fighter either. But I support her because she could be a good fighter. She's never going to be one.

but she is a UFC champion and that'll never change. Yeah, so our Twitter reaction just dropped. Oh yeah? Who called it? I'm looking for I'm looking for the he quit

and I didn't see a single one. Yeah, I was just throwing that up. The thing is like, I just would have been super surprised. I'm not saying nobody would do it because everybody has a diversity of opinions. I'd have been super surprised if any like,

like a ton of super notable dudes are like, yeah, the guy who most people, people have a good amount of respectful reason quitter. By the way, there are there are futures odds for them running this one back. What do you think they are? I mean, they should be like minus a 3,000. They're definitely running back.

No, no, no, no. I mean like, oh, oh, for the fight. Oh, got to the, God, got to go. For the rebuking. What do you think they opened that? Pickle. Tom Aspenal, minus 185. Well, so came down.

And that sounds right. Because I think so, I think so, too. I do think so, too. I do think Zero ground was about to win that first round. I still there was still time and it was close enough, but I think he was going to win that first round. And at the end of that first round, the live odds would have probably been some like that.

Because that's what had, like a one round is not a fight. It's one round. I am legitimately more interested in that rematch now, which probably means it'll suck. Like it probably means Tom will just blast them or whatever, but I'm interested. So silver lining,

but there are no silver linings. It sucks to end a fight card like that. It always does. Yes. What does it say? Y'all complain and say almost every card sucks. There was one boring fight. Full gop at all beta.

Both of them. I'm not. I was really clear. I had a great time. We both said it was a great time. It's just a forgettable card for the vast majority of fans because we're seeing it. I'm repeating what is overwhelmingly being conveyed to me from all this, like, all my sources is just like, I had a really good time tonight. the main event sucked nobody like that i like the other four things but overwhelmingly my

instagram dms twitter all of both of our chats everywhere everywhere else is like that sucked waste the 90 brer yeah i want a refund i want a refund i had seen the most i had a kick ass time today i thought that main card banged i was high on this card coming in and i had a great time the main event sucked but whatever mackenzie dunds a champion baby that's all we need that's all it matters Outside of McKenzie Dern, obviously winning the belt, who in this division won the most? And I know we want you on her to fight. She ain't fighting. But that would be awesome and hilarious and spectacular.

But I think she is. I honestly God think they're going to book that for White House. That's my official on to the next one pick. I'm putting it right here. I'm the first man on this island. Let it be numb. If she doesn't, who in this division? Wow, it is Golden Hour in here.

I know. So nice, man. What is, who in this division won most? Is it, is it Yang John? I'm trying to look up and try and remember. Because she beat McKenzie Dern. She did, but she lost a verna. So they've got a nice little triangle going of beating and losing to each other.

Jillian Robertson versus Yasmin Lucindo. Dude, they could, they could book it. They could straight a book it. The winner of that fight, could they get a title shot? Here's who won. Let me, this is it. I still, I'm going to die on the hill of Yawanna, mainly because I want to manifest that into the world.

It would be one of the greatest manifestings at all. I mean, me and Shaheen manifested McKinsey Dern. McKinsey, you don't know what's like a cut of the check or anything, but like just a shout out to be like, Jud and Jean, they never left. I'm here because of them. That would be appreciated.

I think the winner, the flyweight winner, or not the flyweight, sorry, the strawweight winner is any, any ranked woman who dazzles, who puts a good one down, right?

Because Tatian Soros ostensibly would be first in line. Her last performance was so bad that no one's going to do it. So yeah, man. Is Lupi Godine's booked? No. I think she should fight Tatiana Swarra. If Lupi fights somebody and throws down a great performance, she's in. If Gillian Robertson submits Lucinda, whoever is the next exciting person, somebody who just delivers a great performance, as long as they have a number next to their name, they might

just throw them in there unless Juana does come back. Dana White is addressing the media. White said it was that gone look great. obviously it was a terrible ending. Thought the fight was headed for it being a good fight. They plan on rebooking it. Tom Aspinall on his way to the hospital due to his eye. I'm pumped for him to like release

fucking images. Like here I have a scratched cornea and feel like quitter. What do you think? Oh, that's going to happen. What do you think Dana said about the gloves? We got to get new ones. Can't fix them. No matter what the UFC tries to do with the gloves,

eye pokes are going to happen. Oh, so he just gave up. Got it. They literally tried one. thing, it may or may not have worked. That is one of the more frustrating things of recent members. Be like the new gloves stop knockouts. Like that might be true.

I'm not saying it isn't. The data sample was like tamed events. It wasn't even tan. It was such a small data sample. I am reading Aaron Bronsider tweets because he, he threads them all beautiful. Yeah. So we do a bonuses too, by the way. Okay.

I have to, let me pull up the event. so I can remember what happened. I mean, we know, we know, uh, we know what of them for sure. Uh, I am absolutely dead ass certain that, uh, Osamot Mersikanov and, uh, I mean, certainly. Like, what, what, a man died in the cage tonight, Michael. So Quill and Saul killed and Osamont Mersikonov both got, got gas. I am going to then bet that they, there's not a fourth one is the problem. moment.

So Saul killed got one. I'm less confident. I'm gonna say Saul killed Walker and then Klein Robeske. Got fire the night. Correct. Yeah. I was like actually Merzikanov, it wasn't as impressive as the Walker.

The Walker Hugh hook is funny. It was a sick jab though. It was, but the Walker Hugh hook is such a funny bit. Yeah. It was just a great time. So there are your bonuses. You know Killen was going to get one.

Killen might very may well end up with K.O. of the year probably won't just because, I think Ilya's going to get it because that's such like a historic chaos and it's a really good one. But I mean, that's, it's going to be the exact same situation. The Josh Emmett, chaos of Bryce Mitchell, wasn't Kio of the year because like it wasn't as significant. It was the chaos of the year. I'm like, oh, I had genuine questions about the health and safety of a man. Yep.

So, yeah, McKinney turns the champ. Division is now open in a whole different way. and perhaps Juani and J-Chic comes back. So good win for Dern. Tough night for Verna because she's probably not getting back to it. But yeah, probably not, but I,

she fought hard. She fought hard. She got her day in court. Yep. And that's all she wanted. You know, I do want to rewatch that fight with less of a vested interest to see if I, like I scored it.

I think I scored it 3-1, Dern, but I might have even scored it 4-1 Dern. I can't remember how biased I was being at the time. I want to watch it to see back again because a lot of the tweets during it were Dern is walking away with this Dern's up three rounds heading into the fourth

and it certainly felt very competitive so I do want to check it out again I'll probably do that at some point tomorrow but McKinsey Dern UFC champion What a world we live in for McKinsey Dern to be a UFC champion. The UFC is going to have an event at the White House. I never would have believed these things,

but I always believed in Dern. There you go. Umaramauga. Adolf wins. Mario Batista showed up. It was really fun fight. I know people won't like that fight. I thought that fight was super fun.

I agreed. I had a great, I had a really good time watching that fight. But, unfortunately, he got his name back. Super fun. Mark gets his name back.

Umar gets a win that he needed to win more than probably anybody else in this entire fight card. And on top, and he's not going to get a title fight and that's okay he's just that's okay I don't want him to fight for the belt right now do not throw him back in there with Maraub

don't do it yeah even time he just never he won't be champion nobody should ever get a rematch for the belt like a one fight later make him fight again yeah that's all fight again maybe two more

and it's okay he's only 29 he's got time maybe he's fight amen oh okay I mean that's just that's just a free it's just a free It's just a free win for him or more, but that's right. I said it. Wow. I said it.

I'm just going to lean into being a Zobviator. People hate me for it already. I'm just going to own it. Alexander Bolkoff defeats Jailton Almeida. Seemed like that fight was a number one contender fight or a title eliminator. Yeah, tough to be Alexander Volkov right now. May have to work a little bit harder. The Karmic side of things is just not with him.

Yeah. rough rough night uh tough fight to watch it would obviously be better for there to be a winner in the main event i'm not i'm not suggesting otherwise i think volkov's going to be okay because he doesn't need to fight anybody else they're going to rebook this one as quickly as they can oh kov can now just officially be the backup fighter like he can do the whole song and dance pony show be there as the backup fighter you know yeah i it would be better if he was getting a his title fight. I think he's getting his title fight.

He may just have to wait a little bit now. Nazareth Hack, Pras just cleared medically. To what? Eat solid foods? He's okay. He's okay. I mean he's apparently got to

like leave the hospital. Oh, apparently Dana was very happy with the judging in the Volkov I made a fight. Good. See, Dana knows ball sometimes. Sometimes, yeah. Uh, Tadda.

Hamdi versus. is Walter Walker on Tuesday. Oh, of course, he always says that. They're going to rebook Aspin all gone as soon as possible. Yeah, and honestly, again, none of this is good, not ever going to say that.

This really takes the, the questions out of things, right? Because it's like, does Alex, who does Alex Perrify? Alex Perrified, Sean Jones. Which is what he always should have done, but there was like a legitimate pushback to this idea. I was like, no,

Alex fights John Jones. That's always the fight. That fight is the fight that makes the most sense by far. It's always been the fight. You do it. You do the U.S.C. White House and you put the greatest of all time belt on the line. Boom.

Bob's your uncle. We're done. If you're John Jones after seeing what Cyril did, do you try to get Tom now? Do you try to make, like, because either way, if he beats Cyril, maybe. Because now you can't do it. You can't.

Worse case. But look at the position John might be in, though. He could call for it and maybe get, maybe his confidence is there that he can beat Tom Aspinall. If he doesn't get it and may rebook this one, he can fight Pereira. Like, it's a win-win for him in some respects. So could he, do you think he will try to play that card? I think, and I will hate it, but I believe it is the correct decision. I think John should get his Twitter fingers going, be like, look at this bum, fake eye poke, blah, blah, blah.

that's why I never wanted to fight him he ain't built for this you know who is built for this Alex Pereira I'll see on the White House lawn in June yeah that's boom and that's that that's it just that's the only it's the only fight just do that fight yeah I because I still believe to this day and I always have day one that John Jones will not fight Tom I am deeply interested

in the people who think John would make easy work of Tom I'm not saying it couldn't happen do you think John Jones is at all the same fighter that Cyril Gaon is because you don't I haven't watched a lot of fighting. If you think those two men, if your takeaway from Cyril Gaon, athletic, mobile heavyweight,

you know, winning-ish, one, four minutes against a dude is like, ah, I don't know if you know that John Jones is a plotting fighter now. Go watch this deep a fight.

He was, he's not a quick man at heavyweight and is an almost 40-year-old man. They're not the same. I'm not saying John can't, win. I've never said John can't win. If John wins, it's not because he's light on his feet and sticking a jab

in Tom's eye. It's because he takes Tom down and beats his ass with elbows, which is not the thing we saw happen tonight. Just John also, I will say this, I will credit John here. John had the right game plan against Cyril because he just went in and tackle him.

We did not see Tom Asman I'll do that today. I don't, I still to this moment, don't understand why. I don't get it. Like there was a clear path to victory, just tackle him and you win. Like that's pretty much what it all comes down to. Instead, he decided to have a kickboxing match and it wasn't going terrifically well for him.

And then after getting punched in the face a couple of times, he shot sort of a lazy shot and then never went back to it. I just, I'm stunned a little bit by that. But still, the ending sucks ass. It's terrible. So, and then as a moment, Rasa Khan, up, great win for him. And I don't know if you guys know this as a person who, works professionally in fighting,

I am in fact aware that John Jones defeated Cyril Gahn. I did know that. This is not news to me. The argument that I made is not that, oh, John beat Cyril Gond. The argument is the idea that John will beat Tom

because he beat gone is a fundamental misunderstanding of fighting that like literally is the opinion. held by people who have never watched the sport. Because MMA math is a common joke. John could absolutely beat Tom. He's not going to beat Tom in the way. Seorgon didn't beat Tom, by the way.

It would be very different. So like, it's just, it's, oh, it is a-okay. I support you liking a fighter. Love John Jones. He can be your favorite fighter. You don't have to trash another dude because you like him. You don't. It's okay.

Just be like, yeah, man. I really like John Jones. That's cool. He's a great fighter. Very, very possibly the greatest fighter who's ever lived. Apparently a reporter

asked Data White why Veronica Hardy always is the card opener. That's a, of everything that's a deeply funny question that has no bearing on this event.

That has happened. That's the question you waited your whole life for to ask Data White about Veronica Hardy being the prelim opener. Oh my Lord. Brian knows,

what a time to be a lot. I've been in a lot of fights. I've had my ass kick plenty. Like, being in a fight doesn't mean shit. It just means you got in a fight. It doesn't make you a better person. People say this all the time.

I'm like, dude, I've got my ass beat a ton. It's fine. It sucks. What's your point? Let's go to the peeps here. Go to the super chats. And then we're going to get out of here. Relatively quickly. Since gone,

I'm going to. Okay. This is a good comment. Okay, we'll get back to it. We're just going off the eye test. Oh, well played. That's a good comment. The Calibrator, thank you. Since gone Aspinall, don't cut weight.

Does UFC optimally book a third title fight for 322 or 323 or 323? If not, Aspinall, only fight gone and Volkov in 2026. 322 or 323 seems rather quick. No chance to do that. One, I mean, there's just heavy weight you could theoretically do a quicker turnover. You cannot charge anybody a dime to watch that fight. The earliest it could happen is the January numbered event, the pay-per-view. But if Billy is fighting, that will not.

My guess is February. Maybe that's the main event in Sydney and Volks the Co. I would say my guess is the Sydney February card, maybe March. Yeah. All of it also apparently Tom Aspen went to the hospital. Maybe like if he has like a scratch cornea, I don't know how long that takes her cover. I'm not a doctor. So my guess is first quarter of next year and as quickly as they can because they want to move on from this.

Like they want thing to have. motion. But they're also not in a rush. It's heavyweight. There's one dude in line now, and it's Volkov, who's lost to both men already. I'll say he should have done Derek Lewis and this wouldn't happen. But that's just... That would have been really funny.

Going back to my take. Obviously joking. Jay Ray, Gahn should not be allowed to fight for a title again. He constantly fouls every single fight he has at least three fouls. Look, fouls happen. I do not believe Cyril Gahn was intentionally. doing things. Shout out to you to Lucas.

Thank you. Our guy, Spencer. Hey, boys, devastating and gutted for both men, have to say, was the first time I've ever had the thought John might have won. So happy for Dern, though. You should have that called anyway.

Over under one and a half title defenses for McKenzie Dern. Yeah, I agree. Under. John, look, I said it from day one. John always could have beaten Tom. He still could. I do not think,

never have said that John Jones I mean, I've said it a lot, but it was in a tongue and cheek fashion. John Jones is never scared to fight Tom Aspinall. John Jones made the, I think, correct mental calculus that there's a risk in fighting Tom Aspinall that was not worth the squeeze. Maybe that calculus changes now. Maybe he looks at this and like some of you is like, ah, the agile athletic kickboxer defeated him.

I, not that will defeat him with ease. I don't think that's the case. I think John Jones, frankly, has a right to feel good about himself today because he correctly got the outcome he wanted. He's going to fight Alex Pereira. That's the fight he's won at this whole time. He is going to get it. I'm frankly pumped to watch it.

Like, it was a good day for him. Yeah. And also, as I've maintained, my blame has been on the UFC for all this. because John said after he beat Steve Bay take the bell for me. I don't care. That's the dude I want to fight. It doesn't need to be for the heavyweight championship. The UFC's like, oh, no, 100% we're getting John Tom

and when we all knew it wasn't going to happen. John told you take the bell for me so I can fight him. And then there would be no issue with any of this. I blame John a little bit for that because he really drugged that thing out. But, I mean, mostly the problem does follow me to C. And plus we got the Steve FAA that literally nobody wanted. And he defended that to no end. And I was,

I blame the USC entirely for the Steppe thing. I mean, if you're going to get paid to fight an old dude, I'd get paid to fight that old dude. You know, but usually you should never book that. But there it is. Spencer,

another one. Solid win for Umar, really enjoying seeing Habib still in the sport as a coach. How many wins away was he from joining the Jedi Mishu patented patheon of six pound for pound best ever? He's kind of in it, but he's just not, he's not in it because he can't be in it.

Habib exists. in his own special world of, I think he was the best fighter I've ever seen. He's not the greatest, he didn't accomplish the most. And he obviously was very limited, you know, in a lot of ways. The gap between him and everybody else in his weight class, I think is bigger than I've ever seen a gap between people. And, you know, he left the sport because of tragedy befell him.

He probably was leaving it soon anyway. Yeah. But, like, there was absolutely a world where he could have done what Islam's doing. He fights if he he would have Charles Oliver or Tony Ferguson. I was on that hill forever. God love Charles. He is so much better of a fighter historically

than I ever would have imagined his incredible dude, incredible fighter. He would have been a nightmare for him. Tony would have been ruined by fighting him. He could have accomplished a lot, but he didn't. And for as much as like,

ifs and butts, candy and nuts, you know, like, BJ Penn could have been the outright, undisputed, did nobody could ever question greatest lightweight of all time if you had just stuck it lightweight for most of his like his entire career and racked up title defenses in the early 2000s but he didn't Habib gives his own special place um i think he would have held that belt for another two years if he had stuck around the sport but i can know for sure because you got to fight the fights to know because any random act of violence can ruin it so he's weird islam's not in that room either and he doesn't really get into it

Marab's the closest dude to join the six. And he's, he is, I think if Marab beats Peoria on, I'm at least thinking about it. He, I think if Maraub beats Peoria on December, I'm comfortable calling him the greatest band and weight of all time. I know this is a topic of dispute for basically everybody other than me. Yeah. I think it's pretty clear that he's not, uh, or at least not like definitively, it would be a conversation.

If he beats Peoria on, I'm very comfortable, we're like, that's the greatest band of weight of all time. And then like, he's, he's inching closer to joining the six. like he's very very he is right there to joining six um just one or two more but you know Habib doesn't get to be in it but he gets his own special room of being the best fighter I've ever seen uh be L tom was winning gone look good Dern was fun and impressed I know you guys like golfing what about disc golf maybe bizarre swing rounds which fighter do you think can hucks and discs Ben Asker obviously he's been asking is like the pound for pound best

This is apparently, like, actually super good at disc golfing. I bet. Julian Marquez seems like a dude that I can probably chuck a damn disc around. He feels like a guy who probably has disc golf in his time or two. I suck at disc golf, so I'm not for me. I'm terrible frisbee thrower. I had a time. Six-seventh grade.

I could chuck that damn thing, but haven't really tried since. Frisbee is one of those things that I think is fun, but I've never once been compelled to, like, let's play ultimate. RS40. I feel like the John thing was still in Tom's head. Do you think there's a part of that that that could be true? Maybe. I don't know, maybe. Without hearing from him, it's kind of tough. Yeah, I think what was in his head was Cyril Gahn's fingers. That's very true. Mostly. And like, I, I'm not here to tell you that John couldn't see. Maybe he could.

I'm here to tell you John, or not John, sorry, Tom was pretty compromised, obviously, or you think he's a liar and an actor, which I guess you can do that. That's your, right to have that opinion. And I think he did not want to gut it out and try and fight well compromised, which is smart business. Yeah.

Because the other, the thing that's the most important, right? All of it hinges on the next fight, like they're going to run it back and nobody's going to say shit if Tom kills him in the next one. Everyone would like,

yeah, I guess is I was really hurt. We're like, if he loses, People are going to say shit. Yep. So there's big pressure in the next. Now there's way more pressure.

But all the haters will stop hating if he just goes and dust him up in the rematch. Yeah. And knock on wood, God willing, no Tom Foley happens in that. Because that would be pretty funny. But man, the discourse would be tough. There's two golden rules that I, well, there's three golden rules that I live by. One, if it's not an M.mafighting.com, it's not true. It's a really good rule.

Two, we can't miss you if you don't leave. That's one of your best takes. Yeah. We can't miss you if you don't. leave 100% and then there was a third and the third one is I forgot what it was but it'll hit me like a ton of bricks

it's been a long friggin week but there is there is another principle that I live by when it comes to all this but oh winning change winning solves well winning does solve everything tiger woods was the biggest piece of shit on the planet earth in most people's eyes nobody gave it yeah and then tiger started and tigers in the lead on Sunday

and started winning tournament nobody gave a rid of no one ever spoke about it again that and that's just not m-ma that's sports that's life that is life in general especially in sports we cannot miss you if you do not leave isra people were getting sick of israeli sonia he left he came back we're like oh cool is he's back colby covington oh god man yeah do you see the knuckle deep oh there's the slow we're watching the slow mode it really is pretty bad dude it's a terror look at this finger no that's the one that like watch it dig in no the the the thing about the middle finger is the initial poke isn't that bad but it's not just that it digs in like a full knuckle deep

it then drags across the eye like the way it all goes like look it comes in it's about to dig in and then it drags down oh that's i thought i got to tell you i don't think i'd enjoy having that happen to me yeah and then the index finger like stabs the corner you can if you look close and you can see fluid coming out of the corner of design like it's like what yeah you could that's it's all there i mean that looks like it hurts yeah that looks like it's sucks ass i looks like it hurts uh d prelims better than main card oh yeah um prilums are good prelims are dope man which was interesting because we talked about before and i was like i don't know that these prelims are great but there's enough thing that again i had a great time that far was

horrific. I had a wonderful time watching it. That is what you were dreaming. I literally wrote in our, we did a roundtable. Were you on the round table? I don't know. I was out of this well. We did a roundtable and it was like, what's the other fight to talk about? And I was like, I'm absolutely talking about this fight. It was my dream fight. The fight is terrible. Don't watch it if you're not a sicker like me. I've realized that I'm like the Iowa football fan. I like the sicker shit. I like the super weird, awful fights. A fight was everything I wanted. It's the

we literally and figuratively saw a man's ass it was it was terrific but yeah the prelims had some fun uh killing salkheld is the hero of the night by a wide margin I had a great time tonight man I know the main event sucked and this is it is absolutely put a damper on it the rest of the card I had a really fun time uh I don't expect anyone to share that opinion you're not wrong for disagreeing with me on this one I had a great time oh yeah there's gonna be it's not

not going to be the universal opinion of it. It does seem unlikely. D. People really think Tom waited 15 months through an entire training camp was barely in round one and think he used the eye poke to get out. I don't think they're delusional. I think they're frustrated and they're tweeting or messaging. Or chat. They're venting their frustrations because I mostly think that everyone here is rational

and it's such an irrational take. But yeah, you don't, you know, they're John Jones fans, CERAGAN fans, whatever. and they're in their fields a bit because something bad happened and I understand that. I just encourage you not to call fighters liars unless there's a good reason and this doesn't seem like a good one. Sleeto, what would the odds be in the heavyweight rematch pick them? So we already shared that. Not quite pick them, but much closer.

Aspinall opened is opening one site I saw minus 185, which is much better than the minus 400. I did leave the room. Well, it seems like we're still up. Yeah, my bad. I don't know why that just happened. I don't know neither. All right, we're very much back. Oh, well, the post show did go dark for at least, at least Joey Bus.

Hey, we're back, guys. We're very much back. Sorry. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, minus 185 for Tom Asadol. Yeah, we're very much back. Appreciate you. All right.

Fire and a couple of questions, then we're going to get the hell out of here because there's a lot going on right now. There's press conferences. There's scrums. And there's only so many of us that can hop on and do all that stuff. Calibrate. We didn't mean to abandon you. We're so sorry.

We'll never abandon you again. Yeah. Do we have anything else? So we talked about this earlier. How much does this performance make John Jones want to fight asthma for 30 millie? He shouldn't. He shouldn't. He could call for it and people be like, see, told you.

And it'd be like good PR for the John Jones fans. But go fight Pereira, man. Like, that's just still a way bigger fight. And he's probably going to win that fight. So go do that. Like, if I was his manager, I would be telling him tweet like, some emoji, a winky emoji or something, and then just focus on Pereira and call today.

I think it would be malpractice to fight Tom Aspinall if you're John Jones at this point. Because imagine if he lost now after the week of people are talking about in shit right now. It'd be a terror. I still think he could absolutely lose that fight. There's no, he can have the win functionally. Like amongst his fans, this is a win for him, which is silly. It's a win.

He can have that. He can get the fight. he wants. There's no, nothing gained by beating Tom, right? Like, if Tom blows up

zero gone when they do rematch, maybe a different story. No, he was never going to. He never should have. Now he has, he can feel very vindicated in that decision

and both like truly and, I'm trying to think of the word here, performatively, yeah, that he don't want to fight him. And he never, he never wanted to fight him

and he shouldn't want to fight him. He might beat him. He'd, certainly could have. He doesn't gain as much as he thinks he was at risk of losing. Yeah. And I think that that says, that's price fighting for you, baby. Well, Dern and Loopy be next. No. Unless Luffy beat somebody a real cool way, you know, Loopy fought Dern and lost convincingly, a pretty clear cut decision, not that long ago. Maybe that's why they book it, because they want to get Dern a dub. Yeah, but I mean, that was what? That fight happened to

24. That was August. That was 14 months ago that fight happened. So according to the McKenzie Dern timeline after a win and a rematch, that's like 2029. We had to wait for that fight to happen. Five years later, that's how we do this. Five years for the Vernon rematch, we waited another few years. But in all honesty, and I said this after Tatiana Suarez's win in her last fight, giving her a championship fight right now would truly be utterly ridiculous. After that went over Amanda Lemos, that was an awful fight. No one will ever go back and rewatch that one. You do, so you reward, you give Suarez someone with a little bit of momentum right now.

Lupi's coming off of that win over Jessica Androge in a pretty damn fun fight. And you do loopie versus Tatiana. That's the number one contender fight. I also don't hate if they did Gillian Robertson versus Yasun Lucindo. That fight's happening December 13th at the world's most famous apex. high stakes fight, why not throw it in the warehouse? Winner in that fight, throw her in there, McKenzie Dern, too. And I'm fine with that as well.

So there are options. There are fights coming up, but Loopy versus Tatiana seems like a good fight to make and the winner can get a title shot. So yeah, I'm fine with that. You want a champion, baby. It's your time. You ought to be incredible. It would make me, I would be both so unhappy about it.

Tabitha has won three or four, yes. but she's won one fight. She beat the kind of the ghost. Yeah, she kind of beat the ghost of Amanda Hebas in a lot of respects. So, I mean, Hebus was getting finished a bunch. I think it's wide open, man. I think anybody, any individual at 150 pounds who puts down a good win, they're all available.

I think there's, because there's no obvious frontrunner, the UFC doesn't want to put Tatiana in after that snoozer of a fight. I mean, look, look at the, John, I'm just lost. She does have a win over Jillian Robertson, but if you look at like all of the wins, that's probably our best, I mean,

beat, which is so wild. She did finish Amanda Hebas, which is great, but like, look at the run. Maria Olivera, Pollyanna,

Viana, Jessica Peney, Robinson one was good. Then she lost a loopie. Straight up, it might just be Jillian Robertson. Yeah. She's on like the biggest.

lost to loopie. She won a super close splity against Tisha Peddington, beat Angela Hill, who was the oldest fighter in the division, and she lost, she convincingly lost a Janjohnan less than a year ago.

And then she finished Amanda Hevon. You cannot give her the title fight. You can't. You can put her in a spot where, and we all know, I mean, look, she didn't count while. She doesn't hurt that situation.

So you could put her in a number one, a tender fight, but if they just chuck her in there for a title fight, that would be a pretty ridiculous title shot. So it's open. Every person in this division should feel like they have won. Janjohn,

should feel real good about things right now. Make a statement. Make a statement in your next fight. Dude, treat it like contender series. Go out there and get a finish. You might be fighting for a belt. Not just fighting for 10 and 10. You might be fighting for a belt. I still, I'm going to keep manifesting, Yana.

I'll say that until they tell me no I kind of think if it's not Yawanna they're just going to give it to Jillian Robertson it's a winnable fight for Dern she's honester she's on the only win street if she wins December 13 Jillian Robertson is in a really good spot Who is she fighting? He hasn't in the sendo Yeah I'm surging contender in the

Yeah I straight up as long as that fight isn't a snoozer Whoever wins that's going to get it That's the only person because like unless you know Rosemuner drops back But Rose isn't dropping back down She likes lifting the weights She's not dropping back down Zhang's gone forever

If Whaley gets dusted up by Valentina She should absolutely go back back She should I don't know that she will But she should Yeah Oh yeah Nobody is debating

Zhang would have easily defeated either of them Oh my so we're clear I'm picking Yonnie and Jacek Who hasn't fought in four years To pick To beat the soul out of McKinsey Durham when they fight Yeah

But they're gonna do it Yeah Zhang is a nightmare matchup for everybody in the division. I mean, let's be honest. She's a nightmare matchup for everybody in the division. So. Sir, here in the Falcon, I am disappointed in you. Mazzuki versus McKenzie.

Well, if Mizuki can fight. When you... A little more frequently than certainly. I need Kear and the Falcon to understand, uh, bro, Yawanna was washed. Because she lost a Zhang? She lost a Zhang in arguably the greatest fight. No, she was. She lost to her again. She got blown up by the spinning back to his

KO. And that was a fight of the year type contender. She was washed at the end. She lost the Val at 125. She pretty convincingly beat Michelle Walterson Gomez. Not that that's a great win, frankly, but she convinced her to beat her.

And she lost to Zhang twice, man. One in literally the greatest female fight of all time. Like, she's good enough to beat Dern. I firmly believe that. And if I'm wrong, I can't even lose because then Dern gets a title defense. Hell yeah. You should probably go back and watch what Yohanna did to Carla Sparza.

Yeah, that's the thing. I mean that that's how that fight looks. Yeah. It's ever, Dern runs headlong into offense more than Carla does. So she might get hurt. I mean, like honestly, like if you truly go back and watch that fight

and watch what happened to Carlisparza that night, the fact that Carla Sparza went back to the well and became champion again is truly one of the most, incredible accomplishments I've seen in the history. It's genuinely one of the more impressive run, like things that's ever happened than nobody talks about. Yeah. It'll and it's never going to get the credit that it deserves. So, um, yeah, the you on the thing is just kind of fun.

Uh, even if Fatima Klein beats Angela Hill, she gets a time. No, come on now. We should end on this next comment about, uh, Sanko because we should, we should end on a positive note. Give Sanko the title late. No, no, no, no, not that one. Sago brings good energy to the commentary. Uh, I thought, we couldn't hear the, main car commentary, so I don't really know a lot of what happened there.

prelims, all the stuff I saw was, I thought that booth was actually really, I'm not a big DC guy, frankly. She makes DC better. I thought it all kind of flows, works really well. Yeah. When you put, and that's the thing, like, when you put a lot of these sort of alpha feeling guys who want like their time on the mic, like DC's like that, Rogan's like that, a bit of a pissing contest, Domit Cruz is like that.

But when you put Dominic Cruz with somebody like Paul Felder, or you put DC with somebody like Paul Felder, throw Larsenko in the mix. Like, they know they're professionals. They are professional broadcasters that know how to give space. And when you have somebody like Anik who is able to steer the ship

and you have good support like Laura that can sort of guide the conversation because Annen will sit back and let the experts talk. And that is his job to like let them do their thing. John just drives the ship. So I thought it was a great booth, man. I thought they did a great job.

Sanko talking about the grappling exchanges and the jih Tzu stuff. Like, Korma, like you actually got to see D.C. sort of stepped back and just be like, all right, she has her lane and now I have mine. And it's refreshing to see.

And plus there's a comfort level there as, as Mandu talks about. They've done 8,000 way in shows together. So there is a comfort. They understand how to fill in each other spots. I mostly just like it because of the thing Like there's no They don't get into fights

You know it's not like Actually you're an idiot Where like they don't say that But you're very clearly They want to like Say stuff like that But they're trying not to Which is like everybody knows their role

Everybody fills in It's amicable It flows well The sign of good commentary Is that you don't notice it And I never notice it And I didn't So it's like oh yeah man

Or like you notice it Minimally and in positive ways like it's not it's like refereeing if you're talking about the commentary it's bad if you're talking about the ref they probably did a bad job judges 100% yeah great point you just you just

because the focus is the fights that's the whole game well I mean look trust me when I tell you because look at what's happening the next two weeks in the ultimate fighting championship championship championship they're going to the world's most famous apex and they are bringing

some hot garbo with it I mean, I like the, I do like the David O'Nama, Steve Garcia. The fight's awesome. That car. And he's good. But boy, yowser. That is a main event in the year of our Lord, 2025.

And in the following week, it's Randy Brown and Gabriel Bonfee. Is also a main event in the year of our Lord 2025. So we, so trust me when I tell you, we will have plenty of time to talk about what transpired. I think we could all just talk at 32. We could all just take the next couple weeks off. We can fast forward at 3. too that i don't even want to think about that week that's going to be the most hellacious week of there's a lot of stuff going a lot of stuff going on with uh we need all things we need to figure this out

yeah but that's for off air that's not for you that's we got a lot of stuff going on but uh let me find the go home music uh we haven't played it yet that's not the the one i was looking for we're going back let's go back take it back to the old school i can't hear the music so i'm just kind of moving it's playing but i love you I love you all. Even the haters and the losers. I love you too. Yes.

AK and I will be back tomorrow. So if you want to yell about Tom Asmel being a bad fighter and a quitter in a YouTube chat, we're going to give you the opportunity right around lunchtime tomorrow on the East Coast. We'll do some matchmaking. We'll be live. This might be the most interesting onto the next one in quite some time. How do you guys handle no contests? Don't you normally not do anything?

I guess with this one, you just say, on it back. Yeah. Yeah. Forever. Wait. If you miss weight, we don't matchmake for you. And if it's a no contest or anything like that.

Yeah. So we will- As a Maxim, you're on notice. Yeah. No matchmaking for you. And he lost. Shout to Mitcherposo, by the way. Hey,

he did something. He did it, baby. He overcame his octagonophobia and picked up his first win in an eight-sided cage. And the first words of his post-fight speech were not. I love you, mom. Thanks for your support, dad. coach you're the best for believing me it was plus 350 because everybody in this board is motivated by negativity and not positivity love y'all bye-bye you're listening to the vox media

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