MMA Fighting - UFC 322 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Islam Makhachev, Valentina Shevchenko's Lopsided Title Fight Wins

Episode Date: November 16, 2025

UFC 322 is in the books as the promotion returned for their annual trip to Madison Square Garden in New York City. After fireworks ensued in the first three main card fights, Islam Makhachev and Valentina Shevchenko used pure and utter dominance over five rounds to leave the World's Most Famous Arena as champions — with Makhachev adding a second divisional crown to his résumé. Following Saturday's pay-per-view event, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Jed Meshew react to the card, Makhachev's one-sided win over Jack Della Maddalena in the main event to win the welterweight title, if Kamaru Usman should be next for the new champ, and more. Additionally, they discuss Shevchenko shutting out Zhang Weili to retain the women's flyweight title, the incredible stretch of stoppages from Bo Nickal, Benoit Saint Denis, Carlos Prates, and Michael Morales, the preliminary fighters who stole the show, plus, listener questions. Follow Mike Heck: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@m_heckjr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Jed Meshew: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@JedKMeshew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and discover how easy it is to build your own whole home audio system. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. All right, everybody, we are, we are back. Welcome to the UFC 32, JADM versus Islam post-fight show. We just wrapped up the watch party. UFC 322 just came to an end. And the victory drums, as you just heard, sound for the new Walterway champion,

Islam Makachev, and also, and still, women's flyway champion, Valentina Shepchenko. Both fighters went out there and just dominated their opponents, Islam Makhachev, 5045, all the way around, Valentina Shachchenko, 5045 all the way around. And that is how the night ended, and very impressive performances. We were having... Some people are upset about those performances. Some people are upset about those performances. We were on our way to, I would say, an all-timer in a lot of respects.

We came in hot. That main car came in hot, Mike. It came in hot. Bow-Nickel, big knockout. Ben-Maw-Santini, big knockout. Carlos Pratchez, big knockout. Michael Morales, big knockout. And then we got to the title fights.

And they were very dominant, but aesthetically pleasing, I don't think that that would be, the correct assessment. But it's okay. A win is a win. Islam Makachep now is an interesting company. Valencien Shepchenko is now approaching history herself. She's in company that she has no company in one respect and is a very very very very rare company in another. Yes. And we'll talk about that and much more. We'll answer your questions but I'm Mike Heck. That is the great Jed Mishu and hi guys. Jed you know this is a three Mishulin start card on paper. And And I think all in all, I think everyone should sort of stand by that.

I think this is the best card that UFC's put together all year. I think it's probably the best card they put together in the last 18 months, if we're being honest, since UFC 300 on paper. That was probably the most excited I had been heading into a fight card in quite some time. Having said that, now that it is all played out, what would you grade UFC 322 as a whole now that the dust is settled? I'd still give it a 10 I think this is

and I want to be really clear you don't have to this is for me I totally understand like there's a lot of in our live chat as we were doing it and I saw a little bit on social wasn't able to be super on social

there's a lot of push back to how the fight night ended right the company in Maine were not interesting fights especially if you are a little bit more casual you want want something just a little more fun in any way telling you you gotta really enjoy that or you're not a real fight fan it's totally okay if you thought those were boring uh they weren't the most you know those weren't fights of the year they just weren't um i don't necessarily need to fight the year

i've been pretty open about this uh those fights it didn't matter how those fights played out i was going to like it because they were so substantive and i learned so much um will i go back and watch Islamachchev versus Jack Della Madalena a hundred times? No. Will I go back and watch it? Yeah, I'm almost certainly going to rewatch the fight a couple of times because it's such a dominant performance and a significant one for the history of the sport. But if you're not thinking in terms of that, if you're just like, man, I called, I had my friends come over to, I told him this is the best pay-per-view of the year, you know, we're going to buy it. And my friends don't really watch fights. Those friends who don't really watch fights, they probably didn't have a great time.

and you're totally justified not loving that for me strictly from a high level mixed martial arts enjoyer i had a really good time tonight uh i loved the undercard as you mentioned and we'll talk about not the full undercard it started a little slow it built up as we grew the stuff in the main event before we got to the two title fights all that was stone heat as a hundred miles an hour paint in the corners and then both of the championship performances were they were very similar dominant performances non-competitive right 50-45s on both across the board not the most exciting thing but super impressive super meaningful and that means enough to me so i'd still give it full marks understanding no issue if you at home are like

eff you jed you're carrying the ufc's water that was terrible the sports awful blah you it's fine to feel that way you spend 80 bucks and it's totally reasonable to maybe not have enjoyed that as much as I did B plus. Sure. B plus is a fair grade. It's like we're we're heading towards a a plus territory. Um, and it's again, I don't put I don't blame Islam Akachev or Valentina Shibchenko. Like they got the fights that they wanted and they treated their opponents as such. Like Jack Della Madalana trying for takedowns was truly shocking to me. That was that was really bad. He only really did it once, like, in a really bad way, but it was quite bad when he did it. I don't think it ultimately affected the fight, given just how the rest of that fight was.

I don't think there was anything he was doing, but that was really bad. So there was a lot of talk about, there's a lot of talk about, you know, what the meaning of this fight was would be in the aftermath. Like, where does JDM rank pound for pound if he wins? Where does his own rank all time if he wins? is does he overtake ilia toporia in some people's in eyes he never ilion never jumped Islam for me so he just islam just remains number one but coming out of this when we look at sort of the history and the greatness levels of islam makachev how much did tonight change things for you and just kind of the overall like this dude's the best fighter in the world discussion like

did tonight change anything for that and tonight did tonight changed anything in terms of his all-time greatness levels so i think it certainly did the all-time greatness uh we're going to do a rankings update obviously is um we'll move to my number one right now i have mara um and people disagree with me on this and that's okay i think that there are four dudes right now that are functionally interchangeable as the top five ish really four that are they've just done so much more than everybody else um and i don't have an issue and so i have sort of defaulted to the most whoever wins the next one then just sort of we're rotating uh marab won it and i think that that's very clear he you know

his three title defenses in a very good way class dominant performances but islam has four you know the most title defenses in the history of lightweight the best weight division in the sport um and now a again, not a non-competitive fight. Jack Delamadellana did almost nothing of substance in this fight, and there are people probably right now, I can't check the comments who are like, Islam didn't do much either. He did not do like a huge amount of damage,

but again, just a complete one-sided fight. Nobody who, people who don't even know, like, what a fight is, if you, Mike, went deep into the Amazon rainforest, then you went trudging into an uncontacted tribe, pacifists who've never engaged in combat in their life and you got them and you pulled three of them together and were like you don't speak to english you don't know what's going on and you made them watch that fight they could tell you who won that fight knowing nothing about fighting there's nobody is confused about who won that fight and so a performance like that uh you know it i'm very

it's i think it's a lot trickier all-time greatness but it's pretty easy for me like yeah he's number one until somebody else, you know, Ilya, Pantosha, Marab does something else, really, really spectacular, just gets another big win, then they can bump and sort of be that interchangeable thing. I mean, I have a lot of thoughts about the all-time great conversation for Islam, but I want to know where do you think this puts him in that? Because that is, in my mind, that's the thing we're going to be talking about for the week. That will be the dominant con. Because the fight isn't anything to talk about.

well he won it was clear nothing to talk about it will be where does he rank in the all time greatest ever conversation yeah and it's something i'm probably going to have to think about a little bit um because it's just like our it's just like your current pound for pound rankings right like the top like five or six or seven are pretty much like set you can have them in different orders but like those fighters are consistent and then once you get down to like the nitty gritty like the back end of the top 10 into the like bottom 20 of the pound for pound rankings like it takes forever to like get it right and then it takes like you look at it the next month and you're like what was I think all the time I'm like I don't know what I was doing there so you have to like

really like sort of look at it and and dig it down am I willing to say he's like top 20 like without looking I could listen to that right now and maybe he is maybe want to actually like jot it down and go through it maybe he is top 20 right now Did I, like, is this a performance or I'm like, dude, he's definitely top eight? I don't think we're ready to go there just yet. But I think the door certainly open, you know, again, you and I talk about this all the time. Like, winning the belt is incredibly impressive. But defending it multiple times is huge.

So if he goes out there and defends this belt twice, and I'm not talking about Kamar Usman, we're going to get there. I'll still give him credit for that, but that wouldn't be the, not my like he gets some but not a ton like this it wouldn't be the best it's good prize fighting for is very good price fighting it's the bigger name to some degree and probably the easiest fight of all the options if we're being honest if we're being honest so that like from a prize fighter perspective certainly but if islam goes in there and it's just like i want michael morales and i want or Ian Gary or something and he goes to be

or Shafcott if that happens I love Shovka God I love Shovka if that like he goes and beats those two I mean it's it's it's certainly undeniable that he's like in the top 10

so man Shovcott makes me that itches me right where I scratch oh I'd love that yeah I would love that fight too I would love that fight I just want to know where he is at this point

he's tweeting he's tweeting but I don't that's great that he's tweeting but i want to physically see this man training or doing something so we know he's coming back that's what i want to see i want to make sure this man is coming back to fist fight um so let me let me let me let me kind of go and ask you okay on to the next one a k and i are going to talk about this i have to think about this because you can go certain ways you can go with like what you think should should happen what you would

like to see happen or if you're truly trying to predict what happens here who is is a makochev fighting next uh this week i did not believe this was true i was very vocally in opposition to you all of last week uh this week everything that happened substantially changed my mind i believe what will happen is kamar usman it is not what i would choose um and i don't believe it's what should happen but when when they re like when everybody reupped the i thought dead conversation that kamar usman's the greatest wealth rate of all time it's obviously insane and completely not true it's one of the worst takes in the history but like people have just been like saying it dana like they're making that happen islam's team is saying usman's name usman's out there doing a

full court press like it feels like their energy is in making that happen so i i think that is what will happen. I don't love that, but it is what it is. Um, if I, I'm going to, you know, for my ot, no pick, even though that's what I think will happen. I will say the one I want to happen. It's the one I want to happen and that I think should happen. And nobody will agree with this and that's okay. I desperately want him to fight Chavcott Rachmanov. I think that Chavkat Rachmanov, it threw no fault of his own. He was ready to fight for the welterweight title in December and Balal pulled out. Belaw got injured. I'm not saying

Bala pulled out. Blal legitimately could not have fought. He did the Osea a solid. Faudi and Machado Garry, won that fight, hurt himself, couldn't compete. Like, I think that fight would be sick. You know, I know that there's some familiarity there. For a slight period of time, Shavkat trained with Abdulmanop, but I don't think that that's a blocker to this fight. That's the fight I would make. I don't believe it's

that will happen a couple things i want to say just based on the comments one todd and jemir specifically like jimir's such a troublemaker anyways um i already i already put the hand up i was wrong about the way they take he very much owned that oh i own and i own party unlike unlike most people when i'm wrong i will come out here and admit that i'm wrong i don't make excuses if i'm right i'll say i'm right and if i'm wrong i'm wrong that's just the way that it is But to say that Dana White's take, honestly, as bad as my Zhang Wei-Lee take is, Dana White's take about Camaro who's being the greatest world to wait of all time is 100 times worse. It is a way worse take than me picking Zhang Wei Li to beat Valentina and Schochenko.

And it's like not even on the same planet. It's not even the same solar system because that is the most ridiculous thing that has ever been said into a live microphone. In a super, in a world where George St. Pierre actually exists, you can make a, you can make a, you can make a, you can make a, case that ozman isn't even the second best welterweight of all time it's not a case i would make i actually i don't believe ozman is the second best welter at all time that i think that hughes yeah all right i will listen to i think it is much more like it is a bet i'm not going to die on the hill that is my belief yeah it is to me unquestionable that oosman that there's a better case that hughes is number two than there is the oosman's number one usman has no credible case to be number one it is a

ludicrous stance yeah gsp was in like someone's like oh they hate gs p was there he was literally in the building tonight um gsp is just they don't like him because he did a thing and so they are going to treat him like he doesn't exist and they can try and get oosman over for a fight they want um here's i think he's going to get the title fight like it seems like he's going to get it which sucks yeah i here's here's i felt like this was the fight for a long-ass time. So this was a take that I actually felt good about. I will say

though, up until about 20 minutes ago, I was incredibly confident that it's like, oh yeah, it's Usen, like there's no doubt about it. The fact that Islam Akachev did not say his name when it truly mattered, now I'm like, I still

think they'll go Uspen, but I don't know, man. Like, the way the broadcast team presented this night, was they call it like annex said it all night long it's it was moving day it was moving day right and boy did they move like what michael morales did to sean brady tonight like he deserves it way more than oosman does right now very much um pratchez no great win but i wouldn't he's not over a kamaru no he can't um and i still think like honestly like i would i would rather see

at it than kamara who's been right now i would much rather see i would much rather see that that is to me a much more interesting fight i think that's a zero percenter like i just watching what morales did i'm just like jesus i love that kid dude yeah this is i think he'd be hell for islam too yeah no i i think so too and that's why i want to see it i that's why i think there's just a zero percent chance it happens like of all the people i morales is just going to fight protest that's just what's going to happen there yeah i love that fight And that fight rocks and there's nothing wrong with it. I think Morales probably does deserve it.

But I just, I think he's fifth in line and not going to happen. I don't think is like if Islam fights at the White House, right? Like, because that that was the call. If you guys missed it, like Islam. Donald Trump opened the White House. I'm coming or something like that, right? If he fights at the White House, he's not fighting Usman. He's fighting Tuporia.

Like, if he fights in the White House, that is the fight the UFC is going to make. Is it possible? So I. It would hate that. I would hate that too much. I would not like it either because like the amount of like really it. I don't hate it if he's fighting him at lightweight, then that's fine. But if they're going to let Tuporia fight a welterweight, I don't know what we're doing.

It's, it's become pro wrestling in the worst ways. Yeah. I would hate that. If they fight it lightweight, that's fine. But Islam versus Usman is not a White House fight. It's a, it's a headline. It's a, it's a main event for UFC 326 in Miami. It's not the biggest card of all time.

I agree. It's just not. I don't think Islam should be. on the White House card, but you know, he's calling for it, everybody's calling for it, maybe you'll get it. I do want to circle back to just get this out there. I don't think Islammachchev has moved into top 10 all time, but I'm open to the conversation. The thing I said beforehand and the thing I'll continue to repeat is people often, and it's

not just the MMA, but certainly MMA. fans, all sports fans. They throw out top 10 before they realize how few spots 10 actually is. Because when you start adding up the fighters, there aren't many slots. But, you know,

my take has strongly been. It's John Jones, Georgia St. Pierre, Demetius Johnson, Jose Alto, Anderson, Silva, Fado, Emilio, Emilio. There's not, in my mind, a credible argument that is the Mockachev has surpassed any of those people. They all have eight plus title defenses. it's an insane accomplishment that is almost unparalleled.

So, like, that's six is, that's over half of your top ten. I also, Habib is sort of a weird case. You can start to make an argument that does Zemakshchev has accomplished more than Habib. I think that that's a pretty credible argument at this point, but it is sort of weird in, like, how, Habib will just always be an anomaly, but if you don't want to put, I don't think he's in the top ten, but he's sort of his own thing in that top ten. I think Alexander Volcanovsky has, I would argue that he has accomplished more than Islam Makachev has at this point, though that's getting tighter, right?

They're just so, you know, people are super hot on Alex Pereira. Alex Barre has obviously accomplished an incredible amount as well. I'm open to him being in that top 10 spot. If he gets a couple of title defenses, I think that's no question. Obviously, Marad de Vallechevili, I think is very close to top 10. Max Holloway has accomplished just an enormous amount over a long career that's still going. 10 is so few spots I think Islam is very

I'm very certain that he's top 15 and I'm very open to him being top 10 and the great part about him is I thought and here's where I'll hand up Mike I was pretty sure that Islam was just like maybe one more and retire

they have said all week that that's not remotely in the car chlam and it doesn't seem like it is I don't know what else he has to fight for like he's just risky losing and then it you know becomes that but he seems intent to continue to build and the more he builds the higher he climbs in the all-time great rankings i'm curious to see like what he his brain is building towards is it just like let's let's just cash out here or is it i'm curious like i'm super i'm super curious what he's thinking i'm curious what dana's thinking like i michael morales uh from what i understood is live at the post fight press conference

which if you watch media day he is going to be up there for the next half an hour at least because of all the Ecuadorian media he is going to be there forever so we may we may not hear from Dana for quite some time I'm very curious to see what Dana has to say and honestly like

there's no chance he's getting it but in any other timeline Michael like Dana would come in and be like Michael Morales might be the best world to rate on earth we need to find out and now they just can't do it because everything else that's happening you should treat him like fran you should treat him like francis and gano when he fought stepe yeah first time it's like a here's a young dude who is over already with the fan base and might actually be the best fighter in the world they're going to

they're going to push him and see and right now i don't think he's going to get that because of how everything else is shaking out but that dude's going to be a champion one day last thing i'll say and then we'll talk about some other things that happened um maybe the more interesting question coming out of this because obviously like where islam goes is interesting where just jack del madalena go from here because boy in a world okay man in a world where islam machochef reigns he ain't ever getting a title shot again but who knows like if if if if we live in a world where he fights who's been retires like jdm's back in play but he boy is he gonna need a win maybe two after the way this fight went tonight how like where does he go is this just

like let's go back to the drawing board and chill for a while just go chop wood man I think JDM's an okay spot, right? Like, this is a very tough defeat. And it's frankly a tough defeat. And one of the reasons I picked Islam, with varying levels of confidence at the start, I was really confident in Islam. Then I got way less confident.

But I never didn't pick Islam. But it was just like, man, I don't know. I settled somewhere in between being super confident and like, okay. And it was just like, Jack's been close to losing several times before. and he's just not done it he's found a way to get over and this is so i think this was always going to come and if it was going to come was probably going to come in this fashion jack's still super young he's super talented he's 29 years old um welterweight is heating up

there's a lot of things going on but he's a forever champion once you get once you're always champ you're always some accommodations you're always closer to a title fight than other people are because you they get to promote you as a former champion right um he's still improving i think he showed some bad things in here frankly like some some clear mistakes he shouldn't have done but he didn't get totally well he did kind of get run over but he didn't get like super injured or whatever he just clearly lost i am holistically i think he's in fine shape it would be better if he won but there are a lot of dudes he hasn't fought at welterway there are plenty of matchups to do you can roll them out there you can let him fight way back

you don't have to throw him like right in against you know ian machado gary or whatever you can have him fight uh leon edwards or something like however you want to get get down let him build his confidence back up i am the thing i'm the most interested with jack is how does he look after this as we talked about on the watch party i've been trying to rack my brain i've seen fighters be defeated before and i've seen fighters be broken before and i don't necessarily think jack was broken in the same way we think uh fluffy versus you know homie was roman deliz it was broken i don't remember ever seeing a fighter look the way jack did heading into round five where he didn't look necessarily like he was giving up but he he looked like he was going to cry he looked he looked like he was going to cry he

looked like a man who physically saw his dreams leaving him and had no and knew that he could not stop it in this like he he straight up he looked and this is the stupidest analogy of all time i'm so excited for this he looked like uh tom hanks when wilson is floating away and castaway when he is just like wilson is leaving and floating away and he can't go get him because he can't leave his raft there's nothing he can do but his the this horrible sadness is befalling him and that is exactly what he looked like heading into the fifth round and i wonder what that does to a man like i i believe in general in jack delamadalina he'll go back he's got a good team around him you know they'll circle the wagons volk will be like i've literally been exactly there

you know they'll but you never know what the the catalyzing event is going to be for somebody to start a slide and like to be that defeated I'm really interested how he comes back from this I hope he comes back really well I want to see it because it could be anything so we have a new I haven't there's a new champion in my eyes for the most frustrated fighter I've ever seen in a fight it's jackdoll metal he's really really he's really frustrated at fight before the the champion was douglas Lima when he fought Yaroslav Amosov. I was at that fight when

Amosov won the Bellator Worldway title. Yeah, that was really, really bad. I'm saying, like, I was literally sitting behind Lima's corner and, like, you just saw a man who knew he had no chance of winning. Like, he would go back to his corner, just looking more and more frustrated and I was just like, I remember tweeting

out, I've never seen a more frustrated fighter in my life than Douglas Lima. Until tonight, Jack Dalmatelena, the anguish on his face. before round five was just unbelievable like islam just i don't think like i don't think jdm can be like broken no because he's just such a dog he didn't look like he gave up he just looked like he couldn't win yeah he looked like he just knew yeah it wasn't like oh i'm gonna stop

fighting or i'll i'll find the way out it was just like i can't i there's nothing i can do here yeah it was and that's it's crazy it which would obviously be really hard to deal with but like that's that's why i'm interested but i think he's fine broad broadly speaking if this doesn't break him mentally and i hope it doesn't i don't think it will uh you know he's in a better shot than ball always right like he's got the win over ball um if islam doesn't stick around he's certainly back in the mix he's he needs at least a win maybe too he's just young enough to still kind of really be be a player right now so he's okay i'll tell you right now man though if they put him against sean brady that would be a very big concern

that's exactly what i'm saying if i'm sean brady i'm calling for jdm until the cows come home like that's might be a very big problem if they book him and get that's that's huge or do you did you feed jdm do you feed him leon edwards uh get him i think i'm on that card in february i think it depends if ballal loses to i think they're just going to pull the trigger on belal leon and do that the whole let's let's have the fist fight again thing is um um But I don't, I mean, it wouldn't be bad. I have much more. I don't know what you do with Leon,

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the three main card openers and Bo Nicol. Nichols, Santini, Pratchez, Morales, probably the easiest bonuses in the history of the UFC. That's pretty straightforward. All of them are good. In a shocking turn of events, Ethan Ewing did not get one despite asking for one. So just something to focus on.

By the way, I'm just looking at something interesting as far as like websites that create future betting lines. Guess who gets the future betting line? against is Lamakachev right now coming out of this event i mean the way you're saying it means it's not so i'm going to say uh carlos prottis michael morales wow there's just no percenter i just think that's a zero percenter i don't know man do you want to fight the hardest guy you probably would fight he's a star he's becoming a star that dude sean brady is obviously a thicker human being and michael morales made sean

Brady look like a child is a mark a chair of former lightweight would look like an actual infant fighting Michael Morales uh by the way credit to him if he does it for those wondering are they doing that for those wondering islamakachev is the favorite uh minus three 15 against michael morales plus 265 for michael morales i would swam michael morales at that place oh my i would bet that i would bet so much money on michael morales that fight gets booked and that's the price i i would bet an obscene amount of money on there is there is honestly no other fight i want to see a welter way right now than that fight i didn't think i honestly didn't think that's how i'd feel coming out of this event i love the shopcott

fight i think that fight would be banging yeah any chafcott to like you'll be around fight somebody he's gonna have to fight again very likely yeah but i love that uh valentin schochenko wins uh great just dominant performance yeah shihas jang we lee made me look terrible the whole world's letting me know about it And that's fine. You have been catching it in the teeth in the comment section. I sure have. I did not realize that I deserve it. I absolutely deserve it.

I just didn't realize people were going to have that type of feeling about it. Yeah. Because they're feeling that way about it. People are like, I didn't realize that people like take notes on all my takes because I've had some bad ones lately. Although the Montel Jackson one like I still felt good about until the figgy fight. Like I, that was still alive. Like for having a take lasts for almost a decade and be alive is still pretty good.

It was only four fights. I still. I still got arm and sarucan i still have armin uh you better hope he wins next week i need that one that he loses the day that's my red socks get off the internet that's my red sox get off the internet if he if he loses the hooker do not get on the internet for a while dude yeah oh boy i i i will lose my voice and not be able to do the uh i'm sorry can't talk tonight guys even on the people's free fight, y'all. I'm like, I'm like, Malcolm Wallmakers fighting Ethan Ewing. I'm like, we kind of what's going to happen here. Like, Malcolm's just going to recommend around and then

Ethan Ewing goes on wins. But by the way, no one predicted. No one on earth predicted Ethan Ewing was going to win that fight. No, yeah, that was. Nobody on the planet's predicted that to happen. Frigging, uh, Robert Ewing, his older brother didn't even pick him to win that fight. So, uh, but sick performance from Ethan Eum, I'm sure we'll get questions about that. Uh, good win for Valentina Shofchenko. She's just hausses, Zhang Wei Lee. Uh, the betting, the future betting odds coming out of the uh coming out of that fight uh there were two jang we lee versus mackenzie durn minus 380 uh i'll go look at it and obviously it should be minus five but i'm going to assume they're going to chalk it a little so minus 375 is my guess uh let me pull

them up uh jean we minus 450 the comeback on mackenzie turn close it should be at least five and again i will be climbing with jang a billion percent if that fight does oh yeah and Valencia Shichchenko versus daddy ice uh Shibchenko minus two minus 175 okay come back on i thought i thought that was so dominant that they would give her a little more juice on it because it was such a non-competitive fight yeah um it's all good man like it's all but again it just seems like you dare to be great you dare to be great jean can say that though because she wasn't an ass a little bit jean can a whole build up everybody else Look, I was pretty close to nail on that fight in my prediction.

You did a great job. Except for, I didn't think it would look like that. I thought Shepchenko was going to win a Shepchenko-y fight. I thought it would mostly just be like kind of boring range kickboxing. I did not think she would just big sister her because Zhang has never been big sistered by anyone ever. And like, yes, I've seen Shepchenko big sister Jessica and Drogh. But I also saw Zhang Big Sister. or Jessica and Drodge.

So, like, they're probably even. And then the moment they got in the cage, and actually, Shevchenko looked bigger than her, which I didn't really, because they hadn't, in all the faceoffs, they kind of looked pretty. Yeah, even yesterday.

Even Friday. It wasn't like a Michael Miles, Sean Brady, like, gap, but I was like, okay, Chevy is definitely bigger.

And then the first time they tied up, it was like, oh, yeah, she can do this. But maybe, maybe that was just one. And, you know, Jane got caught off guard.

But every time they, She was like you're going down and then I started to feel really confident in Shevchenko in the second round When in the wash party, I said it and as I'm thinking about like they were in a tie up and Jain tries to stand and throw an elbow And Chevy runs her to the ground like an O lineman just on a D end and pancakeed her like just straight had her here and just drove her to the ground And I was like okay that's she can do that forever if she could do that this is probably a over and it kind of was not like again the exact same caveat i made about the main event if you didn't like that fight i don't blame you i'm not telling you you need to like that fight i enjoyed the dominance of it i will not watch it many times i'll watch it one or two um i mostly just

have an incredible amount of respect for it valentina shepchenko uh becomes the most has the most title defenses in women's ufc history at nine she just passed the combined title defenses of Amanda Nunes, who had eight. So she is alone as the most decorated female UFC fighter of all time. The nine puts her technically in a tie for fourth place of most title defenses in the history of the UFC. Should really be fifth. Josealdo should also have nine, like they should all be there,

but Jose only has seven because two of them are WCs. They should count whatever. we're talking something that literally five other fighters in the history of the sport have done she has now accomplished um i believe i believe before this fight i still i believe after this fight she has a credible case to be considered the goat if you don't you consider it amanda nunes or even chris cyborg i think i i think at worst she's number two say i'm i'm open to either amanda nunez or chris cyborg i have more issue with you putting cyborg above her but I'm at least open to the conversation

I don't think you can go I do not think you can at all go lower than three and the fact that she is 37 years old has been fighting professionally for 20 years and can still do that even if you didn't like it which you did not have to you have to acknowledge that it was incredibly impressive

and this is a woman who I think very obviously is no longer at the peak of her powers that's what the grosso sort of trilogy was is like here's a woman who's kind of losing her fastball but what she has done in beating monofior and now jangui lee is incredibly impressive and nearly without parallel in the history of the sport and so i tip my captor and most people will not like that fight and that's okay i respect that fight if nothing else she beat the best fighter in the world yeah she that was that was one and two and she made it

deeply uncompetitive between the number two it's it's it's it was just an impressively dominant performance not aesthetically pleasing but just so damn dominant impressive and valentina just don't give her shit doesn't it's an incredible suit probably to not care what you think of her it's a great it's a great ability to have i think she's very clearly number two like i just don't see like respect to chris cyborg she has accomplished a lot yeah like there's a very clear argument it's chris cyborg and it's not really her fault yeah but it is she's great wins on her resume she does very good wins in her resumes no doubt about it she's very good wins but valentina's resume is a billion times better it just is like she just she's

in a way class that has fighters i do think it's better i i do give chris a lot of credence just because she's been at the top for all you know 15 years which is really really hard even in a fake weight class um i also really respect that becheco win that was great from her it's a great way but like i said i have val is my number one um all time I'm totally open to the Nunes being above her. It's Nunes now. You just can't put her any lower than three. There's not a real argument to anything lower than three.

If Whaley won, would you put her above Nunes? I would have had to think about it. I mean, it would. I was trying to figure out what a Waley win would do because it would be really big. It would be so mega for her. I believe she's the best straw weight ever. I also think there's an argument that she's not. I do believe she is.

she's the best right i do believe she is it but i i don't think it's irrefutable there's no conversation about it um the rose losses are kind of weird they they sort of make things a little blurry there for sure um but a win over vow would have been so incredibly impressive and uh it didn't come close to happening we weren't that was there was never even really a concern that it was going to happen after a few minutes into that fight which is a testament to the greatness of valentina and now that we're going to see valent we're going to see natty ice get her day in court by the way that's one of my other pretty good takes come on now the natty ice train that you have been the actual driver of that and she is it by all account seems to be the person who's

getting the next mob as she should she is the most deserving certainly natty ice will get her day in court she should absolutely be next there's nobody else that should get it over her uh i think it was a good night for her the ufc in the production team sort of set it up had him on the split screen she got everything short of a in cage face off and valentine ain't gonna say ain't gonna pull the juliana paena and be like well wait to see what happens and i want the nunez trilogy uh valentine is like bet i'll fight her sounds good to me much like mackachev she has been saying i just want to keep defending this belt which i i love that's i'm in but like she of all fighters seems like the person who would be like i would like to go get the bantamate

title i'll just fight the winner of kela amanda that seems okay And the UFC would, if she said that, I think the UFC would say, yeah, let's do that. That's okay. We accept your terms. But she just, she's happy in her lane. And I love that for, I think Natty Ice is going to be a competitive fun fight. And I'm, I'm interested. Honestly, I think just kind of looking at the landscape right now in this division, I think I would, I'm picking Valentina to win this fight.

I know that's crazy. I'm going to continue to pick Valentina. But just kind of looking at where this division is right now, I think. natty ice gives her like the best test 100% i think natty ice has a way to win that fight yeah i think valentina i think valentina beats erin blanchefield pretty easily honestly i mean that could change in a couple years but right now do believe that is uh that would be the easiest fight that is like possible for valentine i could see them i could see them trying to speed run uh macy barb if she wins in december but i think macy's gonna have to fight you just you got

to do macy blanchfield honestly like that'll be the number one contender fight probably um but even so like menon's there like you can't how can you give erin a title shot over manon well you do it if val still has the belt just because like that that's a historical precedent of like yeah yeah she lost to her she got her shot give somebody else a shot but uh i mean manon manon i think is the big loser tonight there are many losers but like of the people who didn't fight that is one like she maybe had a chance to get back in quick but now that now vows still got the belt it doesn't matter that she just killed jasmine it's just like okay you got to go fight somebody now and i'm not like now tracy cortez is gonna have to fight minot like

that's just a terrible spot to be yeah like that's just literally who's it like who else has been on gonna fight right now it's a really tough tough tough place to be so um yeah great win for valentina she's just so good man like what else can you say i had a terrible read and she just shut me up man she just gets big in these spots and she won more don't Dominantly than I thought she I actually didn't win and she was more dominant I thought she was I honestly think that those I I think it was the second best performance of her career tonight All things considered I yeah, it's it's certainly up there The stakes the quality of opponent. It's one of her best efforts like your chow were the picks I did pretty good tonight I did unbelievably well. I did pretty damn good today

I went 12 for 14 I picked this on by decision nailed that uh picked like I picked Sean Brady. Yeah, I got that one wrong. But I got most of mine right. In GS, I didn't ruin your parley. If you tail me, I don't know how many times I have to tell you not to tell me. That's your fault, bro. That's on you.

So, so. So sorry. I'm very sorry. So sad. But I feel no sympathy for you. You get no sympathy for me. None. Like, I mean, less than none, whatever that number is.

I have sympathy for you. I'm so sad. So sorry for you. No sympathy. I'm terrible. of picks i'm not a better i don't know why you would tell me on anything don't tell me either i've been doing terrible this year they did fine today i'm winning this year but it's pretty it's just a my all in bet on tom ass and all didn't lose so i'm okay speaking of winning this year we already

talked tomorrow a little um but we should probably pour one out for sean brady because michael morales uh did that man very very dirty yeah sean bray's done man he did that man very very dirty Yeah, that was, that was tough. Michael Morales, I'll say it again. Michael, I want Michael Morales versus Islam. Like, if the UFC called me and said, Mike, you get to pick it. I'm picking Michael Morales. That dude impressed me so much.

I think, I think he has a chance of beating Islam. Like, I really think he has a chance. I think he would beat Islam. I love Islam. I've supported Islam forever. I believe my job. Do it, UFC. Do the thing.

No one wants the Uspin fight. Like truly, no what he wants to. besides kamar uspan i concur even islam didn't call for it so like no one wants it please don't do it you the division is so good right now it's the best it's been in so long do the right thing make the guys who have done the work for the last four years get in there and fight for the belt please do this please please give it to michael morales he deserves it what a performance carlos pratches frigging gangster that was awesome and dude like in a If Morales wins the belt, we get Morales.

Pratch us for the friggin' welterway title? Come on. That's like the... Yeah. I want to see those guys fight. I do. I don't care when it happens. I would like to see them fist fight.

That seems very fun to me. Yeah, bro. Those two guys fighting seems very, very fun to me. Yeah. I want to get to the peeps, obviously, because there's a ton of super chats already. Morales rocks. He's great. Proch is great win.

We'll see where Leon Edwards goes from here. Either he fights JDM or he's gone. i kind of think that's where we're at right now um the battle of the bennies the battle of ben wassondonine made it look easy pretty pretty shitty week for benal there you she missed his weight loses 20% of his first and then get not gets knocked out in 16 seconds it was he got knocked out people won't really remember it he got knocked out twice because he got slumped and he went face down and then he kind of popped up and the right hand came into the side and then he went full flat so he went tripod unconscious full flat unconscious and then he woke up and was like what

happened and then he immediately stopped protesting because he very clearly that was a good stoppage really tough things for any dude i don't even think he was protesting i think he truly didn't know what happened like what occurred also very possible because when he was leaving the octagon he was like looking at his coaches and he was and he kept saying like what happened like what actually happened uh it was just so fast it was such a quick shot i mean yeah he caught that left hand right right on the side of the head and uh just dead yeah it's a shame pouring out for ben he was a really good fighter he'll never fight for a belt probably deserve a fight for one but if he didn't get injured we if you remember he was supposed to fight islamaka chaf what a huge fight that would

have been yeah i mean and that at the time that fight was everyone was i was really pumped because it was like so was i binned that that fight's really fun he was top five at the time like finally like islam's going to get a chance to fight like get a top five win i didn't even think he had a top penguin at the time uh with before getting a title shot but again that wasn't his fault he had fights lined up against a lot of people who didn't make it to the fight and people would step in you'd say cool i'll fight that person and it was it was just what happened so uh main car we talked about ben was nonsonine so many fun fights for him lightweight rocks and if you want to do fizzine gray is going to be the violence

fighter of the year very soon i wouldn't mind seeing ben was on i mean olivera should get the holloway fight but someday i'd love to see benwasat india fight charles olivera i think that'd be a lot of fun man i might i would like to pitch this ahead for onto the next one i do not believe this will happen i want to be very clear about that i know it won't um what i would like to happen what i would make the phone call for hey man hey it's mcmaynard i know you said you were going to retire We didn't give you the title shot. We're giving Patty Pimlet the lightweight title shot. Justin Gagee.

What if you fight Binwasandini? And if you beat him, we'll say it. This is a title eliminator you can then fight for, but I would like Justin Gage to fight bin Wausandini. That is the fight I would the most like to see next. That's friggin' fun. I don't think it will happen, but I would move mountains to make that fight happen.

I'm going through the, by the way, the Aaron Brunce that are thread of what Dana White is saying. So I think that's fun to go through right now before we go to the peeps. White vows that in two years, the UFC will hold all 10 spots in the top 10 top grossing events in MSG history. That's probably true. Yeah, tonight I believe is not number three. They did over 20,000 people. White says that Delamadalena versus Islam was not the most exciting title by the ELC, but Islam is headed towards goat talk after a dominant

win like that. White says the UFC has a lot of options at Walterway. It'll depend on what Mockachev wants to do going forward whether he's staying at 170, etc. White says the White House card won't be America versus the world. It'll just be the best possible card they can put together. White thought Waley,

all right, so I guess Dato I thought Waley would be much stronger and do better against Shep Django than she did. Yeah. He says that one of his friends texted him, this is why we have weight classes during the fight. uh jangueli will be returning to 115 that's what i just learned yep that's a very clear we're not booking her up here she can go we don't really it's fun to have mackenzie darnis champion we're gonna put

her back and make her be champion okay white says that the ufc is not mad at horay mazwood all despite when you said at the q&a yesterday white says that when you get opportunities like prattis and ewing did i didn't see that take advantage of those opportunities i'll talk about that second white says been marales the 19 o is cool as hell and checks all the boxes that's kind of what you want to hear White says that many fighters say that they are going to be great champions but so few are able to achieve it.

He gives Habib's father Abdulmanov credit for telling him that Habib would be a great champion that Islam would also be a great champion. Yeah, Abdulmanop is RIP man, always. Every time one of them fights, it's always like, yep. White says he blames himself for the brawl that occurred in the crowd. He says that security told him in advance that Dylan Dennis is moving his way through the fighter seats

and that Jorge Mazadol told security that he was going to go after them. White said that they should keep an eye on him and then realized that all of Islam's team were going after him. He says that Danis will not attend any future UFC events and they were asked that they wanted to press charges against him, which they declined the option to do.

So there you have it. Well, good for Dana, own it up. All right. Boom. Okay. There are so many questions. So many. Let's get after this.

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turf. LFC, it has now been two weeks post-betting scandal since we've seen Jason Herzog. That certainly doesn't seem normal. Perhaps the rumors have some validity? I mean, we put it up there, but like anything is, this is all

speculation. Repeat it. Sorry, I was chatting. He's basically saying that Jason Herzog has not been here for the last couple

weeks since the betting scandal and all the rumor and innuendo and if that means Oh, I don't think that necessarily means anything. I could believe that if I was them,

I would not hire him to do it, not because he did anything wrong, but why? There are other referees. If there's an investigation going on? Even if there's not like just you can separate yourself,

there are times in life, not just in this instance, but we're like, why do we need to do this? There's no need to unnecessarily put the potential stink. I am not accusing Jason Herzog of anything. I don't know that there's anything credible to accuse him up, frankly. But let's say, okay, sure, whatever, we're not listening to this, any refs a fight. And he makes a totally, you know, normal F up, as referees do constantly.

because there is the rumor in innuendo then it's well that, you know, tisks, tis, something rotten is happening and I mean just straight up if I was a fighter I would not allow even with nothing alleged or nothing functionally alleged or proven

I wouldn't want them to ref me so you can just not do it for a couple of weeks let the dust settle maybe get a little more information and then bring them in assuming nothing is untoward. Yeah, again we can't miss if you don't leave. Maybe the man wants to take a trip with his wife or something. Like, I mean, who knows? Maybe you've wanted some time off. Like, everybody needs some time.

There are just those situations in life where it's like, hey, man, we know that technically you haven't done anything wrong, but it's a bad look, or it's just going to raise questions. Or like, yeah, you know, that guy doesn't like you. Can you just not? And you're like, yeah, okay. And I, if that's even the case, it would be that. I, to the best of my knowledge, nothing significant has implicated him in a meaningful way it's just rumor yeah uh rs 40 bsd is the new gaichi what's next for him maybe hook or arm and loser also how many fights do you think islam has left i have him in my top five all time so uh you mentioned you'd love to see b sd versus gachi do it be a great fight basically i think at most we have two just and gaiji fights left we

probably only have one we may not have any i'd very much like to see it i don't think it'll happen i would i would pay 600 us dollars to watch that fight that was the price i would be willing to pay to watch that fist fight so i like bsd fazeve i think that's i think that's fine it's i think that's good match right there um also how many fights you think islam has left over under three and a half i'm just say under because that is i mean four is a lot has a lot of fights left. And, like, I think at some point... A runner, two and a half.

I'm going to say under, I think he's got two. I think he's got two in them. But he is not talking like that at all. And so maybe it's not. But at some point, I do kind of feel like Habib's just going to pull him aside and be like, hey, man, you've got enough money. You'll be well off forever. Every subsequent fight is.

risk and your legacy can be spectacular and we don't you shouldn't fight michael morales so let's let's just pack it up and go home so i'll say two is this number left by the last question on that them there third piece to it that was it okay uh he just said he had is on top five of all time uh maybe disagree but sure maybe the greatest uh youtube account of all time mike bobo for prez well that's just rude that's a personal attack he wasn't that bad today but he was bad for a big chunk of it

and I was livid oh my god that is incredible nickel to Morales stretch was all time completely agree it's really good man that was banging Valentin is my goat Islam is all world and close to top five all time if he isn't now shout out to you Mike Bobo for Perez

you have my vote I mean, I would vote for you for president if it meant you Warnar Rossi, so... I mean, I'm going to let you wax poetically here, Jed. Everett Price, Islam ran from Tuporia. Chickens can't be goats? He sure didn't. You know what he did? Look, I will stipulate.

I will, and I've said this before, so it might be repetitive. I am happy to stipulate that Islam ran from the Tupura. I will agree wholeheartedly with you. if you then acknowledged that Tuporia ran from Diego Lopez and Mavsarav that you make that. If you say that

then sure, Islam ran from him in the exact same manner because Ilya had work to do it featherweight and decided, nope, I don't want to do that. I want to do this. Islam actually didn't

have work to do it lightweight and then just you know, validated his decision to move up. He did not run from him at all. And that fight still may happen, so no, it was a bad take. It's a bad take, Everett.

Yeah, Armin, Armin was there, but he tried to fight Armin, and Armin didn't make it to the fight. Yeah, he was absolutely willing to fight Armin, which I frankly think is a much more difficult fight from than earlier. And, yeah, that dude is not running away from anyone. Ryan asks, is Michael Morouse the best Walterweight in the

world right now i think is really very possible i i i believe that that is very possibly true he's so good man like it's just i always believe he's getting so much better every time yeah and like you know i always i always had belief like he would fight for the belt and stuff like i obviously believed because he's so young like four years five years like at some point he's going to get his shot but now man i'm all in now like i tonight was was everything i need to see like skip the line man like just give it to him like i want him him and islam is so fascinating to me right now i i have to see that fight i'm so i was so impressed with him tonight so impressed uh spencer epic night from the guard and so many great performances didn't expect the guy

i'd be most impressed with to be a dude named ethan ewing prelim fight To him, man. Y'all most impressed with, thought Bo looked much improved. Most impressive prelim fighter. I mean, it has to be Ethan Ewing, just because the circumstances are incredible. Yeah. I don't, you know, that's not the best win. I have, I really like Malcolm Walmaker, but there were all these concerns about him.

But, you know, that dude fought five days ago or whatever, and then just gets to call the fight on a day and a half's notice against a guy who's being pushed to the moon and delivers a really good. performance. So I think that's like the most out and out impressed, but, um, really like what Fatima Klein did on the end of the card. I know that Angela Hill is certainly old, but there are very few prospects at straw weight. And like she's like a legitimate, oh, here's a person who's not 50 and hasn't been in the weight class forever. And maybe she can be some new blood and interesting. And frankly, I, I said it at the time. We were on for the watch party. I, I, I don't like Bill Nichols post-fight speech, but I thought that was the exact performance he needed

of, you know, the first two rounds, he was clearly winning, he was working out the game, showcasing skills, a good rebound effort, and had he just cruised to a decision win, it would have been like, yeah, you know what, that's a great get-back. That's a professional win to get back on track. But instead he put a stamp on it,

and that's just, you know, that like that i don't think he could have drawn that up better for his overall career so i was i think it was the best performance of the career i was really impressive bill nickel as well yeah if honestly if there's one fighter on the planet pound for pound who needs like paul haman to be in his corner to speak for him it's about nickel he sucks on the microphone he's terrible like he always puts out these good messages but it's always like he always ends it with like some sort of like f you this whole i work harder in one day than most of you do in your entire lives like what shut the hell up dude like that's such a dickhead thing to say um even if you're trying to be a heel like

you can't be both you can't try to be like like he's curt angle like he was curt angle when he first broke in he's like hey i want you to be nice to each other but by the way like your city sucks like you have to like at least that's acting but he's like dead serious like his he's just so bad at this if you guys you got to either love me or hate me but you can't be switching back and forth i don't care where you think and those are three those are three like that is a triangle of ideas that are no what know what related to each other and all of them are very opposite of each other and you're trying to hold them in your head uh f i don't care what you think but if i did i'd be mad yeah f you have f you have efforts by the way if you love me or hate me i just

want you to feel something yeah and he's like I work harder in one day than you work at a lifetime like shut this wasn't it wasn't great might work but it's a great performance great win he's back on track doing good things that's so that's who I'm impressed by he needs he needs a manager so bad like and I'm not talking like he's got a manager that like handles his career but he needs like he needs a mouthpiece so bad he's so terrible at this he might be the worse in the company I will say like Ethan Ewing was great I mean this circumstances are just impressed it was good it was good I didn't think we'd learn I was hoping the had and fight would happen so we could learn something

yeah yeah and we learned something I yeah and you and gave us that and that was a great way I'm bummed because I had a bet on Cody Hadden and I felt pretty good about it frankly and I think that that would have been really good yeah so honestly I could I was very impressed with Pat Sabatini tonight like he It's true. He beat the shit out of Chepey Marrisc golf today. That was one of the two flights I got wrong. I thought Chappet was going to, you know, keep rolling.

Like he bullied him. Yeah. I mean, Pat just dominated him. And Chappeat cheated his ever-leven ass off that entire fight. Like a dozen fence grabs in round one. And like in complete and utter eye-gouge in round two. Not a single point taken. I mean, always cheat.

You know, always cheat because no one's going to take any points. But shout out to Jack Delamadel, out elena who cheated and no one will ever talk about it again because it was such a non factor in the fight an incredible cheating upkick right like dead in front of herb dean who did nothing about it yeah terrific work for sure uh morning wand about well the daghestani's risk aversness override islam's ambition and risk taking habib might want him to retire after usman but is um might dare to overtake john jones's 20 fight on beaten streak um I also forgot, Islam Margachev has now tied Anderson Silva for the longest win streak in UFC history.

That's true. That's impressive. I forgot about that. Well done. Other people, I think it was on MK show, people arguing that that was better than Anderson's. That's not, and that's ludicrous. Most of Anderson's win streak were tried to fights. So it was just much better than Islam's.

But it's still incredibly impressive to win 70 fights in a row or whatever the hell it is. It would be cool. It's like that's what he set the goal out is I want to fight. you know three or four more times to get to 20 that'd be pretty cool um i i like i said man i think they are likely to call it sooner than later um even before habib retired because of the tragedy abdulmanap was pretty straightforward about it like yeah he's only got a couple years left and then he's out and then islam's up and then islam's out like the whole plan is less risk aversion in general though there's a piece of

that I'm not saying it's not it's mostly like career management of hey this is a dangerous sport you are sacrificing years of your life in exchange for money like that is the trade-off once you start accruing success in championships and money just leave leave you know get out while the getting's good dust and poor you did it earlier this year um I think he'll be leaving a little earlier than he planned certainly but I think Islam will leave before he gets retired. So I don't think he's there for long. Spencer, nice seeing Val in the goat convoy. Jed loves Blanche, Mike loves Natty, and I love Kayla. But I think Chevy beats all three. Any

fighter at 125 or 135 that you would pick to be Val right now. She's a terrible matcher for Kayla, in my opinion. Um, I, I think I would pick Kayla. Simply, I think the size is too much. Kayla is enormous You know Enormous at 1.35. Val It could look very similar Like Val looked against Shang

Yeah, Val is very physical But I don't, the physicality I just don't think holds up If she can drag it on Maybe she can make hay Later in the round like five Like I wouldn't say she's 0% But I would pick Kayla

Depending on how Amanda looks I would probably pick Amanda Valentina is She's just not the peak of her powers anymore, which makes what she's accomplishing all that much more incredible. But like,

she's not, she can't do what she did to Zhang to Amanda, and that's been such a strong method of attack for her that assuming Manda can still fight, you know, the two years off hasn't cooked her or whatever, I'd probably pick Amanda in that rematch at this stage, or the three match, but outside of those two, I think she would

walk most of the women's Banim whites. um because yeah i think she's the greatest fighter was the greatest female fighter of all time Kayla would be interesting god val it would be a very interesting fight i like i think i'd love to see it i think val could absolutely beat her i think she can um i think i'm gonna pick kela just because kayla just because kayla's so like limited skill-wise but she is just a beast yeah she just got to dump her a couple of times that might be good enough yeah uh this is a great question for ever it jed would you rather have a pair of meta oakly sunglasses or a full venom meshu walkout kick with project rock shoes i don't care at all about those sunglasses

so give me the full venom kit um that's at least a Halloween costume you know yeah at least the shoes great great cute exercise in the shoes or just something um who worked out with the venom with the meta glasses val and protest rock out yeah wow one new or mean is that a new parley new parley the meta oakley if you are a fighter at katar try and get them meta glasses because they are running hot right now uh we will close we'll we'll try to put maybe pull one or two from the other chat to uh choose a superpower one cardio resets every round two chaos resistant brain three tagging homz up for one round four tagging gordon ryan for one round only when you're on bottom he has no mma specific training so which superpower would you choose of those four

I mean, do I have to fight? If I have to fight, then I'm tagging in Hamzad. And I'm tagging him in in the first round. And hopefully he wins in that round, because otherwise I'll lose. I'll do the walkout to have the cool moment with the music. I get introduced my buffering. And then you're up, buddy. Are you ready fight?

Come on. I'll finish him in five minutes because if we have to go around two, I'm losing. But if I'm a professional fighter picking one of those superpowers, give me cardio. It's cheek code. It'd be better than Marab some. I would be insane. I mean, I think Hamza, that's pretty wild. I mean, that's a great superpower.

That would be a great superpower. Let me see. Spencer, because he asked a bunch, you don't have to pull it up, but I did see your question, Spencer. Me being like, I would slam bets on Michael Morales at the big plus number. Who's that against Islam? It's pretty simple calculus.

I think Islam Archiv's best pound fighter in the world. I've thought that for quite some time in general. Michael Morales is They say he's six feet tall I don't believe that I believe Michael Morales is closer to six two They said in the sale of the tape He was two inches taller

And he was at least four inches I think he's six two in lying About being six foot I picked him to beat Sean Brady It didn't really get shown tonight Because Sean Brady just sort of got blown up real fast I picked him because he is actually like A very very solid defensive wrestler

he will simply be enormous. He has nasty power and these sort of long, loopy, weirdo shots. He will be so much bigger than Islam that I'd be like, yeah, he'll just hit him a bunch, and he's good enough to keep on the feet for long enough to hit him. Islam Markachev is a great fighter. If he won, he won. I'm not saying he can't win. But Islamakov is functionally a lightweight who just wants.

on a welterweight belt. Michael Morales is probably a middleweight who's masquerading at welterweight right now somehow. So it's just like, I don't know, at some point the size feels like it's substantive. And so that's where I'm out on that one. Uh, we'll close with this, uh, Mike is crazy with the take that Usman cannot be considered the welterweight pound for pound. I love GSP, but come on, Usman's run is so much more impressive. Are you, it's not remotely.

Are you kidding me? It's like, I'm, I'm not even being mean to you. Like this is not me. You saying that strongly suggests to me, and I'm not trying to pick on you, it strongly suggests that you became a fan in the last five years. Because the big critique, that like the biggest critique to make about Kamar Usman is his title reign. Actually, it was kind of buns. Horamospital is fine.

He's a fine fighter. Horri Mosvedol would be the second worst fighter on GSP's title reign like if GSP beat Horri Mosvd he would have been the the only guy on GSP's card that he'd be above is Dan Hardy

like this is the only dude who would be like a worst fighter than that and two of Usman's wins are Monsopol. The first Kobe Covington and the first one is a very solid one. The first one by the way was Mazadol flying to Abu Dhabi

Yeah, three days notice. Three days notice and had to cut like 35 pounds. The fire was all trash. Terrible fight. The second one, great. He killed him. That was awesome. But like, that's not a historically significant win.

The Colby wins are solid. I think the second one is substantially less good than the first one, both because it was a rematch and because Colby really wasn't like the most deserving at that point in time, but he got it. The first one, I got no, I'm not. That's not any better. than almost any of GSP's title wins and probably worse than quite a few of them frankly

but those are at least solid reputable wins and the Gilbert Burns win is not bad but it's like that's not better than John Fitch it's just like it's a that is the brick and mortar of a long title reign those are his title defenses that's not again

legitimate argument that Matthews's title reign is better than that George St. Pierre's is it's it's not a contest it's not even close i can only assume that you simply weren't watching and so you don't know i live through it i every one of his title wins is just better like it's he is one of undisputably the five best fighters who's ever walked the face of the earth Hyder Hassan Leon Edwards Alexander Yaakovlev

Warli alas Sean Strickland Sergio Marius Emil Mac the ghost of Damian Maya the ghost of Hafieldo Sanjos the woodley title win was awesome

yeah it's a great win I'm not saying he's bad wins but Covington win was good because that fight was awesome Mazadal win there's extenuating circumstances Burns win was fine the Mazadal

rematch should not have happened. I think anyone who was watching fighting at the time thought that that was absolutely ridiculous. And then he went from a rematch that shouldn't happen to another rematch that shouldn't have happened with Colby. Then he got knocked up by Leon Edwards, deaded, loses, he lost convincingly in the rematch. I know it was a majority decision. No, he lost a fight. Silly. Then the Hamza, he lost to Hamza. He went with whatever. Yeah, he went, whatever. Yeah, he went four years without a win. He's had an incredibly good career. Like, He's one of the 25 best fighters ever walked in face, too. That's awesome.

Five title defenses, which is half of what George St. Pierre had. George beat Matt Hughes twice, Matt Sarah. BJ Penn. B.J. Penn. Nick Diaz, Jake Shields. I know Jake Shields is kind of a crazy person now, but Jake Shields is a really historically significant win. Joss Kostek, John Fitch, Tiago Alves. I'm trying to just pull the others.

Like, again, the Dan Hardy one's bad. That's okay. Dude, beat Car Parisian in his UFC debut. That's like... that's rocked uh the parisian fight is like better than most of uspans like come up wins if you believe that um john jones is the greatest fighter of all time okay totally reasonable i believe pretty strongly that george st pierre had the greatest in may career of all time um like if i got to if i rubbed a magic lamp and a genie came out was like i have very specific wish granting

capabilities and the only wish i can grant is one and it's you get to pick which fighter you'd like to swap careers with George St. Pierre is the choice. He did everything that could be accomplished in the sport. He's an all-time great. Never had any real problems. I think he has the greatest career in the sport. And he very clearly accomplished more than Kamar Wiseman did. Like, it's is very, very clear. The dude literally fought everybody that they asked him to fight. Every single person. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And honestly, I don't even think that the USC believes it. I believe they kind of don't like GSP because the end was a little weird and they are trying to get Usman over and you know but it's no look I mean not a pure number standpoint obviously

is also that's ridiculous nine versus five one is way more um but then even the quality of those numbers it's this is not like uh even though I don't agree with the argument the argument for Volcanovsky over Aldo is his wins are better he has fewer of them but they're better Usman's wins aren't even better than George's and he has fewer of them it's not a contest not a question yeah I think that

ends that that conversation altogether so that's that the music is playing which means we are done there's lots of there's still work that needs to be done so we're going to be up working for the next few hours at least AK and I will be back 11 a.m. tomorrow so you can bring more of your questions your matchmaking suggestions, live on to the next one. So make sure you join us for that.

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