MMA Fighting - UFC 326 Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Charles Oliveira Blanking Max Holloway, UFC White House Card

Episode Date: March 8, 2026

Charles Oliveira delivered a workmanlike style to a BMF title fight, and that led to a one-sided smothering of Max Holloway to capture the title belt on Saturday at UFC 326. Unfortunately, as impressive as the performance was, the fan base was not overly thrilled by how the fight went down, which capped off — outside of a few highlights — a sluggish event. However, fans finally got the UFC White House card announcement, and even that has been met with a mixed bag. Following Saturday's event, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Jed Meshew recap Oliveira's BMF title win, if the UFC should put the title on ice for a little while, where both fighters go from here, and why Oliveira deserves some blame from the backlash. Additionally, they discuss other moments from the card, react to the long-awaited UFC White House announcement, the Ilia Topuria vs. Justin Gaethje main event, how the card stacks up overall, the UFC's effort in 2026 thus far, and much more. Follow Mike Heck: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@m_heckjr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Jed Meshew: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@JedKMeshew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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All right, we should be good now. You should be able to hear us loud and clear. We have the correct microphones on. And thank you for joining us here on the UFC 326 post-fight show here at MAAfighting. Dot com just on the YouTube channel. Can't shout out the Twitchers here because that darn Jose Young streaming the press conference on Twitch. So the Twitchers get that. Sorry, Twitchers.

Can't get you everything. Thanks for Join us. The victory horns, of course, sound for Charles Dubranks Olivera, who absolutely

dominates Max Holloway. One way of traffic, this fight was not competitive for a single moment. And Olivera set the tone pretty quickly, took Max Holloway down, tons of control time,

nearly finished Max in the first round. Max did a great job defending. Round two is very much the same. And then we went from that to just all there doing a whole bunch of controlling lots of takedowns just kind of host holloway around and he is now the bmf champion and let's be honest incredibly impressive performance jed mishu not a fight we will probably ever rewatch and i i see it all over twitter i've seen it in the chat definitely on the watch party people are not happy with this jed

your reaction to what we just witnessed about 15 minutes ago, that 25 minutes of what Charles Oliver was able to do to Max Holloway and how people remember this main event and because of that, this event as a whole. People are not going to look kindly on this. And I understand. I don't agree. I mean, I agree with the event as a whole.

No one will ever revisit 326. And this fell short of my expectations. We talked about a lot this week. I was pretty hype for this card in general. main card at least the prelims were pretty weak but I had gotten very excited about the main event and while the main event nobody would call it exciting it was incredibly impressive and so I understand people won't like it and I'm you just can't argue right like people like and that's and that is an understandable thing to not be a huge fan of but my default answer is

sort of always like, okay, am I going to revisit that fight a lot? I am not. That was still an extremely impressive performance and you've got to tip your cat to Charles Oliver who I thought was going to get run over. I said it several times this week. I thought Max was going to, I thought this was going to be a very one-sided fight and that was correct. I was very incorrect about who the fight would be one-sided for. And so you you just have to credit Charles Oliver Levera for that, even if everybody isn't going to like it. And he may have killed the BMF belt, which is, uh, honestly just not something I anticipated happening, but the immediate backlash from people I respect,

people I don't know, random people in the chat, we love you. Thanks for hanging out with us. Almost universally negative, which is really, really never what you want, right? not great overall just the overall reaction again you don't want to take anything from charles olivera but that you said something that kind of leads me to my next question is this the last bmf title fight because of this do you feel and i guess maybe the other question maybe the more fair question the more recency bias question i guess if you will will charles oliverr ever defend the bmf title i think he will i think he shouldn't is that makes

sense. And this is, this is our immediate reactions, you know, always. I said this week on several of our programs, we're talking about the BMF belt. And I have been a bigger supporter of it than I think many people have. Certainly people kind of in the industry and we're at largely negative bent towards it as a fake title. And I have been a proponent of it. And I wrote this week and argued for it at the BMF belt is only as good as the person carrying it and only as meaningful as the fights that it represents. And with Max Holloway and the fights that have happened have all been, I thought, good. And I still think, because you can't know what's going to happen, I think this was a good

BMF fight. But the concern I had and what I said is the moment that the belt stops being this, right? That they do, you know, the winner of Max Holloway or Charles Oliver fights a random dude like Ben Wassandini or not another legend. or they're just running it out because it's another trinket to put on display, then it loses its luster. And coming off this performance, as dominant as it was, you got to read the room.

And if you are Charles Oliver fan right now, I'm trying to be as fair to you as possible, because unequivocally, an incredible performance, arguably the best win of Charles Oliverer's career. Not the defining one. That will be his title win over Dustin Porre. certainly that probably is just a better win but like this is one of the three best wins of charles oliver's career and you should celebrate that but you also have to have the presence of mind

and the self-awareness to look around the room and see that nobody thinks that this is a bmf whatever that means and so if we then go treat it like a bmf then everyone nobody buys it anymore And then it becomes what the worst critics of it have said. So I think they're going to do it. I think Charles is going to defend this belt against somebody. Maybe it's been Wausandine. Maybe it's Connor. We'll talk about McGregor.

I think it's going to happen. I think it shouldn't. I think they should now is the time. They'd be like, let's retire it for a little bit. We can bring it back. Maybe we can move it to a new weight class or something. But they should set it aside. They're not going to.

Yeah. I'm not really sure what you do here. It's tough. Do we just like put it on hiatus again? I think it'd be fine. Like, you know, it's fine. Like Charles go down as the dude. He could bring the belt home and they just do other stuff with him.

Like, there's nothing wrong with that. And then look, if you need to do it again, just bring it back out. Like there are certain times where, remember, when they introduced this belt, we're going to do it once. One time, Mazadol won it. It was sitting in American top team in a glass case. and it would never be defended, never be put on the line or just put in

in a fight at all. Like it was just going to be, that's it, we did it, we're done with it. Needed it for Justin Gagethe versus Dustin Porey. Great fight. I think, and then we got Max Hauley.

Max Gajee was great. Max Gage was great. This fight didn't end up being great, but I think this was a total, again, nobody, you couldn't, you didn't know this one happened. We all wanted this fight. Fair and just.

I also think, I think it's possible that they do retire because they have an out, right? It would be, they would just have to own retiring it if it was like you, nobody thinks that was a BMF. So we're taking it off you. But Charles is legitimately entitled consideration now. And, uh, Ilya is set to fight Justin Gage at the White House. Gagee is on the post show right now talking. We knew this fight was happening. It's now happening at the White House officially.

I strongly believe I have been saying this forever and I strongly feel it is truth to this day. Ilya is one and done. He is going to do what he did at featherweight. He is going to fight Justin Gachie. If he wins, he's going to welterweight. That man, he's never fighting arm and I've said it from day one. I will continue to say that. So if he beats Justin, I guarantee you at the White House.

He's going to say, sorry I did that to you, America. You're a great country. but he was in my way to my dreams and now my dreams are his Lamakachev and Walter Waite, I'm coming after you. I'll bet you almost anything you want to bet that that's what's going to happen. And when that does,

Charles Oliver, Armand-Serukian 2 for the vacant lightweight belt is up for grabs. That can happen. And when that happens, the BMF champion and the title don't coincide. So I think that they have the out and I hope that they take the out and that that's what happens because that feels like the most just way,

to get to the outcome. I think everybody sort of agrees is correct. Yeah, I think you're probably right about that. If you're Charles Olivera and you're looking at it from a different lens, you are the biggest Justin Gagey fan on planet Earth. 100%. But, yeah, I think I think I think I'llie is one and done. In fact, something tells me,

Ilya probably didn't want to do this in the first place. Yeah, I think I really accepted that this was going to be the case because they probably wouldn't let him immediately go up. Yeah. But like, yeah, he, I've been saying forever. He's just never going to fight Armin, and that sucks and it's bullshit. But the UFC is just not going to, they don't care. The UFC are willing to let Ilyate Tupria do just about anything he wants for reasons that I don't understand, but not my pig, not my form.

I'll bet almost anything that Ilya is fighting it well to wait after the White House card, unless Gaci pulls off of a very big upset. A miraculous upset. Which would frankly be one of the best stories in the sport. And it would be awesome. I don't think it's going to happen. Where's Max Holloway go from here? That's a really good question. And I'm not sure the answer.

I've been trying to think about it over the last couple of minutes. The truth is that he has a lot of options because he's now up at lightweight. And he doesn't, he hasn't fault most of these dudes. So we can do fun things with him. You know, Charlesville, not Charlesville there. Sorry, Michael Chandler is fighting Reese Ruffy at the White House. was also announced. If they did a Michael Chandler-Max Holloway fight,

I don't think anybody would be that upset with it. If Max fought Ben Wasson-Denie, I don't think anybody would be upset with it. And the thing about Max is it's not like Max is going to pick and choose or say no. They fight on a timeline that works. Max is probably going to be down to clown. So I think that we are in that situation where they might use Max as a testing, you know,

let's see where you're at or you're at or where a lightweight weewe. want to advance or see where they're at. And I think that's fine for where he is. Because he hadn't fought these dudes and he still wants to do it. Tonight was a very tough night against the third best lightweight on earth, it appears. But maybe he can do better next time. Who knows? Holloway versus Hooker, somebody said, I don't hate that at all.

That's a really fun fight. Frankly, it's a better BMF fight than Charles versus B. BSD or whatever. Holloway versus Armand actually really interesting. Yeah. If you went to that, I don't think they'll do it. Armand's going to wait because I, look, I'm staking this right now. October, Charles versus Armand vacant lightweight belt.

That's, it might be sooner than October, but in the fall, Charles Armand two, vacant lightweight title. Max Holley versus Connor McGregor is absolutely in play still. I don't know if it's in play like immediately. No, but that's my week. That fight is very much still on the table for Max Holloway. I mean, if Max can get that, that'd be great for him. But yeah, plenty of options out there for Max realistically.

But yeah, this is a tough one. And I mean, it's, it's a really tough loss for him in a lot of ways. 100%. We'll see what happens to Charles Olivero. Max Oliver gets the win. People are not going to like this. And that's, that's just what it is. We're going to move off from this pretty quickly.

and this will go down as one of the more forgettable pay-per-views-numbered cards and quite some time, man. Like, I don't want to come on here and be negative, but I'm just reading the room and reading the tweets and the comments and stuff like that. People are not stoked on this car. They're not. They're not. The reason people were even into this to begin with was because, yeah, not a great card, but the main event rocks. So, worst-case scenario, like, the main event's going to deliver an absolute heat or a fight-of-the-year contender. At least we know, like, that's where we're going to get here. Plus, they booked a bunch of squash matches that didn't end up being squash matches.

They ended up going to the cards. I think we've got three finishes tonight, total, out of 12 fights. I don't get a lot more than that. This is just one of those cards that just felt like a throwaway, but a damn fun main event, which would have kind of saved it in a lot of ways, and we just didn't get that here. And, you know, you can sit there and blame Charles Oliver all you want, but dude's trying to win a fight, trying to fight for a belt again.

You had to win this fight, man. Couldn't go out there and lose. I will blame him very slightly. I don't blame him for the performance. He could have mollified a lot of criticism, gotten over better if in the final minute of the fight. I 100% agree with you. I know that that's risky,

but that is sort of the point, the reason people love Max Holloway and the point down. And the thing Max said, like the point of the point down is I'm winning here isn't here's an opportunity for you because I am that guy and Charles could have stood up you know with 30 seconds left gotten off him walk to the center back and max pointed down and I honestly think that if he had done that people would still be negative on this fight I don't think there's a way that for 20 seconds 10 seconds can save 24 minutes.

But everybody, all the critics would at least have to acknowledge, man, that was, that was pretty banging. That was pretty badass of you. And so I will criticize him for that. But I mean, the big takeaway I want to instill in all of you, if you feel a type of way, feel that way. I'm not here to tell you how to feel. Everybody should at least,

be upset about it, at least appreciate what Charles Oliver has done. It's incredibly oppressive. And for those of you are big Charles fans and are dunking on me, Dunkaway, you earned it. Also, accepts that other people aren't going to like it. And that's fine, too. Yes. I'm trying to see what we got here. I guess Raul Roche's Jr. spoke to the media.

We got bonuses. Did you see the bonuses? We got those very early, actually. It's a shocker. It's four performances to everybody you've got to finish. So Hidalfa, Balato, who opened the evening. with a K.O. got one. Alberto Montez, who tapped Tertios

with an anaconda that I have not seen got one. So there were... Dober and Gregory or Houdriga's got knockouts, and they all got the four performance bonuses, no fight at the night. Okay, so we had four finishes, eight decisions. That is... That is correct.

So three knockouts, three knockouts, one tech sub, and eight decisions. Yeah. I was wondering if they're going to give Charles a performance bonus. because it was so dominant they gave homza one for the ddp fight so i was curious if they were going to do that so what would have been fighting of the night co-main event i know i think we are the only ones who had fun with that uh lucas skinner we're not trying to make it it's literally

the point of the point down but go ahead and be a dick i don't i don't really care i mean that is truly what it is one in the morning and you're being mean on the internet to strangers it's fine bro uh uh fighting of the night was I mean, the fight of the night in my heart was Cody Garbranchel long. But I don't think that that was really. Honestly, there wasn't a great fight tonight. Like there were some weird ones. Wasn't a great one.

It was sometimes this happens. They're tough cards. Yes. We'll run down the rest of it. And then we'll talk about probably the biggest news of the entire night, which supersedes the main event and the rest of the. this card by a mile. We thought it might.

I thought maybe the main event could get close, but it didn't. We'll get to that in a moment. But Kyle Bajalio, 3027s against Ryan near to Ritter, RDR, heading up to 205, which is going to... It seems pretty likely.

Yeah. We're going to get that dream fight with Dominic Reyes that we've been dreaming of. Dominic Reyes first has business in Miami. Well, you know, if he's a new opponent, RDR could be ready. Right there.

Let's go, baby. But that was a lot more. more fun than that was probably the most fun Kyle Bajalio fight. I really was. He's joined the UFC. So good on him. Roll Rosh's Jr., not very fun, but again, now he's

in the rankings. He needed a win. Rob Fawn has a big hole in his game, even though Rob has made some improvements, but not a performance that most are going to write home about. That's just let's get a win and get in the rankings. Drew Dober, knocks out Michael Johnson in the second round.

That fight was kind of fun. Gregory Rodriguez, excuse me, one punch, walk off K.O. We mentioned the Cody Garbrandt crazy-ass 28-27s across the board, unanimous decision. Golly. And then he called a David Martinez. Don't do that. That's a terrible idea. Please don't.

Dante Johnson beats Cody Brundage via split decision. If you took a point spread bet on Cody Brundage, you're a very happy person right now because that's probably like plus five billion. So good on him. We mentioned the Montez win. We mentioned our guy, the Instagram darling, the greatest Instagram follow in the UFC, defeating Cody Durdin. And then Sumergerj gets a win,

calls out Josh Van, saying, I hope he wins. And then we got Nerganai and Rodolfo Bellato, getting victories as well, of course. We had some ding-ding kicks that were, sort of like that didn't happen so good stuff i guess for them but that is ufc 327 let's just get right into it jed what we're we are we are going to remember march 7 2026 for in terms of the ufc is not ufc 326 but finally the announcement of the ufc white house card or excuse me freedom took a long time we did it's 250 going down at the white house the main event ily it's poorie of

versus Justin Gachie, Unified Lightweight Title Fight. The co-main event, Alex Pereira versus Cyril Ghan for the interim heavyweight title. The featured bout, your favorite fight of all time, Sean O'Malley versus Aman Sahabi. Shout out Aiman Zahavi. I didn't think there's a chance in God's green earth. It's literally my biggest takeaway from tonight is that fight. Yes. I think I might be the only person who cares and I care so much about that fight.

We got Michael Chathar versus Marisha Ruffy. We got Bo Nickel versus Kyle Dawkins. And we got Diego Lopez versus Steve Garcia. How are we feeling? We've had some time to digest this. How are we feeling about Freedom Fights 250? How's the chat feeling about Freedom Fights? Oh, yeah, chat.

Let us know. My answer is the same that I gave in a watch party in my live reaction. And I think it's the same one I'm going to keep having. This is undeniable. a letdown right like we you know there was talks of John and Alex which is a big spectacle maybe Ilya versus Islam which is obviously the fight everyone's wanted for years shit maybe John and Tom finally fight earlier this week when it looked like maybe Tom was coming back it's like oh maybe it is John Tom like so many things that were big and spectacular and

interesting and we got I think the worst case scenario which is Iliate Taboria taking on Justin Gagie in a fight that most people believe Ilya is going win and he probably will. And it's just meaning, there's no, if Justin wins, it's great. If he doesn't, it has no, there's no need for that to be at the White House. The co-main event is historic and spectacular and interesting, but it's also for an interim belt. So if Alex Perra does win, become the first UFC fighter in history,

he will already set a historic record by being the first fighter to fight for a belt in a third way class. but if he does do it how was it mean it's an interim belt right so it feels lessened somehow and it's the co-main event which was weird but like so these are not the expectations we had but I think we take a couple of weeks back we have some time um we'll think about it and be like yeah man

it's a good card because it is it's short six fights right um maybe a seventh maybe a seventh it's added but the main event is significant and good. It's a good fight however you cut it. Maybe it's not the best fight. Arminalia is the best lightweight fight, but it's a great fight we knew was coming. The co-main event is historic.

Those are two very important things. O'Malley versus a hobby is transparent and hilarious. And whatever, that's kind of a throwaway fight. But it's still a good fight. It's two top seven bantam weights or whatever. Chandler Ruffy is going to be super fun and it's ranked lightweights, even though Chandler shouldn't be ranked still.

It's super fun. Bonoical Caldakis is a throwaway, who cares, whatever. And then Diego Lopez, Steve Garcia, is awesome. So I think we will come around and see this for its charms, but it is just hard to appreciate it, given the context. Like, it just is what it is. But, you know, honestly, it's a lot like 300 in that way, where we had big expectations.

The fights were announced for 300 were like, okay the BMF built between Maxing Justin's awesome and the rest of it's okay and then we got more excited as we got closer and then I remember by five we were like 300's gonna bang and it did this might well bang I hope it does um mostly though might I'm happy that we know what it is we'll have some other things to talk about what could have been but um and the fights that were apparently being made or tried to be made things fell through stuff got weird that will be a conversation we'll continue to have in the coming months. But mostly we don't have to speculate anymore.

Now we just know and we can move on with that part of our lives. Yes. By the way, I don't know if you saw this on Twitter or not. Oh, goodness. Am I going to be happy or sad? No, this is just,

uh, just, uh, sort of appreciate what Charles Oliver did. You know how many significant strikes? Max Holloway landed in that fight. Seven. 12. 26.

Yeah. For Max freaking Holloway. That is wild. like that is nuts I can't even that is such an unfathitable number I saw Bobby Burger from Bob does sports

he kept hammering the under on prize picks for Holloway going under I'm like this is a sketchy little bet for five rounds of Max Holloway I mean and he was like dude

and the number kept going down he looked incredibly prescient yeah damn shoutouts of to Bobby Burger Bob de Sports nailing it with the number max like 20 26 significant strikes landed. That is unbelievable.

Unbelievable. All right. Let's go to the peeps. I'm still waiting to, I don't think Dana's gone to the press. Another very important thing that was not mentioned. I don't think he mentioned it. Yonnie and Jay Shik,

Zhang Wei announced for the UFC Hall of Fame. Truly not a more deserving fight to be put in the fight wing. The greatest women's fight of all time. Yonah is going to be a two-time Hall of Famer now, which very just. We all kind of knew this fight would go on eventually. Very happy they're doing that. The only other women's fight you could make an argument to put over this would be, you know, the first women's fight ever if you wanted to put Ronda versus Liz Karmouche.

But that fight is not nearly as good as this fight. Still a good fight and maybe makes it in the hall one day, both as a solid fight and historically very significant. But this is the greatest one of all time, in my opinion, one of the five greatest fights of all time full stop. Uh, so shout out to those women absolutely undeniably deserved. 100%. Uh, let's go here. Rob McAllister. Thank you.

John Riley. Thank you. Verded dingo dog. Shout out. Enjoy the emotes. Boys, more common. And, uh, Casey Carpenter. Welcome to the party.

Oh, we got more. Sleido, Sleado's been a member for 24 months. We'll get to your question in a moment. Uh, we'll start with the MN beast. You guys are the best love for Minnesota. Shut up, Minnesota. Shut up, Minnesota.

You're the best in Minnesota Beast. That's right. Sleda, why have a Spaniard starch an American for the main event? So, again, overwhelming and likely. If Justin wins, top three story in the history of the sport, like,

I have always and I don't think people appreciate it for what it was enough. Misha Tate submitting Holly Home is like one of the greatest moments in the history of the sport. If you know Tate's career and how many times she fell short

and she finally does the thing, incredible. But if Justin Gachie, twice an interim champion, BMF champion, has accomplished everything but the undisputed title comes very, very close. A huge underdog

on the White House lawn, upends all the expectations and wins the undisputed title in this fashion. I mean, that is like Leon Edwards headkick drama shit right there. So I don't think it is going to happen. But if it does great, I will also say pretty funny that the UFC White House is Spaniard versus American, a Brazilian versus a French dude. Shout out Danesbury, Connecticut, but Alex Prairie is a Brazilian.

No, he is. He is a New England. Shout out, Gloria Richesheria. What the hell happened to John Jones? Um, he asked for too much money and personal reporting they the goal they wanted was the stuff we had talked about. We thought that it I think Ariel is one who reported this, but don't don't quote me on that. It could be wrong. If I was being discussed so that if I was heavily discussed, they could not come to an agreement. Um, and I think that that's what we all

thought because when we knew Alex was vacating, okay, Alex is fighting at the White House. They didn't announce it because they don't know who he's fighting. He's either fighting John or he's fighting Cyril. Turns out he's fighting Cyril. We'll probably never know what happened. But I would, man, I would love to just be a fly on the wall

for those negotiations because, I mean, the only answer that makes sense and I want to be super clear. Pure speculation, I have no inside knowledge about this whatsoever. I can't imagine the UFC's first choice

was Tom versus or was Alex versus Cyril. So that means John negotiated himself out of this. Now, maybe he asked for a fair price and the UFC's not willing to pay it. That's entirely possible. But the answer that makes the most sense to me is he asked for a number the UFC would not meet and he would not come to the number the UFC wanted to give. And thus, I don't think John Jones will ever fight again. I also don't think Ilya versus Justin was their first choice to headline this card either.

No, no, no. I'm almost certain that that was not. first try so yeah i think this is what they just kind of landed on and there you have it and it's fine again you have a hell of a story there's no way that fight's gonna be boring at any point that fight is gonna rule it until it's over nope and it could end very quickly so there you go uh just a flex l-o-o from stevie flex away baby flex away baby uh let's keep going mike brown coach coach uh charles played that entirely safe i honestly think he could have caoed max if he actually tried that being said give me max versus connor next what do you think about that do you think of

he did play very safe a little more aggressive and try to get max out of there um i mean i don't think you should have stood in bang with him i think that would have been stupid but for the last 10 seconds you do that because that's the thing you're supposed to do it's the thing you said you were going to do and he chose not to um you can understand that but you can also acknowledge like yeah do what you say but i i do wish he had just tried to hurt max more on the ground um i think he had more opportunities to try and open up with strikes in the ground but he didn't and it's fine um maybe he could have gotten him out there out of there truth is we'll never know i gave him four 10-8s though so it's hard to argue with his efficacy really he was never close to

losing that fight so it's hard to be too critical of him i forgot there's one other there's one memorable thing that happened in the main event outside of just charles being great oh yeah i mean it's the most important thing that happened in the main event did the paramount plus stream black out for anyone else black out for apparently everyone yes uh i was livid and then i flipped over to the portuguese broadcast which came on beautifully and then that frigging went out and we had to go back to the english one like annoying that that happens we were so pumped about getting rid of ESPN plus because it would screw up every single time and not a great night for Paramount honestly not a great night very tough um man this has been a really tough year for the UFC this far but 324 was pretty fun though

325s i've had some fun at various points in time there've been pockets of good fights and interest. I am looking forward to 327. I think that card looks pretty good. I don't know what 328's going to be. We didn't get any announcements on that. Strongly suspect we're looking at Peoria Marav Dalishvili there just because we're running out of other names. I'm hearing something else. Okay. So we'll see what happens.

It could be. I mean, we could get Marabian. For Newark, that fight makes a lot of sense. Yeah. So I am hearing up something else for for May. But yeah, I am looking at, forward to Miami at least and I've had some fun I had some fun tonight they're not all of it was bad it's it would just be disingenuous to be like this was the best time I've ever had it wasn't I mean we had fun just had fun hanging out watching fights yeah but I was impressed I learned a lot those are most of the things I want but um look I had a great time with Cody shallong that was

that was Kyle already that's the silliest fight I've seen in a long time frankly Cody shall long was I mean what a what a master fee like that was but like honestly that's probably fight-wise my biggest takeaway from the whole night is gonna be like when I think of this I'll think of hey this is probably where the BMF belt died I genuinely think that that's going to happen and I'll be like you remember when Cody Garber and won a fight where where the where the he probably didn't win by any rules other than justifiably double point taking of their uh they're uh they're talking about it now yeah it was how you i think i just don't see how you give cody garbrand the first round

because that elbow the first giving two judges giving cody the first round is ludicrous if you want to give him the second or the third at some point like those rounds were much those rounds are more maybe those rounds are much more competitive the first round was very clearly shall long all day who was the cody of the night the only cody who won cody garbrown was the cody of the night obviously uh instead of mike any unnegotiations that fell through for white house that included notable fighters or fighter returns um yes freezing it like that outside of the john jones fell through when he's yeah but that's that's like any other um for negotiations now other big names that were supposed to compete on the card yes are they competing on the card

no Dana's up at the presser oh boy here we go I would put Michael Morales versus Kamara Usman in the White House too I would love that I don't think Camarro Usman's gonna fight Michael Morales be very smart if you didn't do that I don't think you're gonna do although I'll tell you I will tell you what I will have so much respect not that I don't, I have a lot of respect for Roosman what he's accomplished, but if Ousman was just like, you know what, man, it doesn't look good and get in the title shot, Michael, let's go. I'd be like, I would stand and applaud for that man. He ain't going to do it. Dude, Dustin is so bad on the booth, man. Like, he just looks so uncomfortable. It's, uh,

maybe it'll get better. It gets more time for the camera, but, sorry, I'm watching this post show, too. Yeah, it's, he's just like, he's too, he's too, he's too. He's too. much it's a lot um he's fired up but i mean i do think it's perfect to have him and they brought just in a lot yeah both to talk about fighting ilia et cetera and the bmf thing i think all that makes sense um what was being discussed oh uh other other other fight stuff happening um or else or else yeah yeah love that fight it's gonna be great but they don't do it but i'm not gonna do it i mean who just goes in fights below like that's fine yeah that's i don't know why that that's obviously the fight that we should be doing here.

Will, I hope MVP MMA actually does decent enough to make the UFC care again. They won't. Guys, the UFC is making $7.7 billion over the next seven years. Look at who is running that company.

Look at the relationship they have with Dana and the brass. They ain't going anywhere. Everything's going to be just fine. At least in that business sense. They ain't hungry. But here's it. And also like, I'm glad to see people are like finally understanding this.

The UFC hasn't been hungry in a long time since the COVID year. Once COVID hit and they just exploded in popularity, they were done. They phoned it in at the end of 2021. That's it. Like it's just, it's what it is. But again, when you're so far ahead and you have no competition, like there's no need to. Like, you're making so much money. You don't need to sell pay-per-views anymore.

even when they're on the ESPN deal, people were like, oh, this could do shitty on paper. You've seen what you can care about that. They're still getting millions of dollars for like every event they put on by ESPN. What they cared about more was ticket sales and selling out events. Site fees. All that stuff. Like that's what they care about. Give a shit about selling pay reviews.

And now they don't think, now they truly don't have to give a shit about selling pay per views. So it's all about money. It's all about the cash. Cream, make the money. Dollar, dollar bills, y'all. That is their mentality. 100%. I will

two thoughts on this that I'm reckoning with more and more. The first is I am genuinely surprised. I thought that the UFC would do better at the start of the New Deal because you want to put your best foot forward.

I think they have chosen to put a different foot forward than I would constitute their best foot. They're trying to put their most exciting fights forward. I largely don't think this has panned out in productive ways for them. And I agree everything with everything you said. So you can't argue with what you said there, right? But I am surprised.

I thought the first year they'd really try and they're not. And that's tough. And I'm starting to genuinely be concerned about the health of the sport long term. Because if they're not going to try it, like this is year one and they're not trying. or the way they're trying is just different than what we like the hardcore fans the lifeblood of the sport care about it this is the best the CBS Paramount deal is ever going to be is right now because in two years they're going to care less because that money is still guaranteed and they're going to like they don't even feel some compulsion to put their best

foot forward and if this is the best I'm going to start to be a little concerned about what the future of the sport looks like because it's going to contract like you can't i'm not trying to be a you know a doomsday or anything like that but like look at all of you right now in the chat none of you had fun tonight you didn't and like maybe one of you vicarious shout out to you you love charles olivera but outside of that did you have fun like most people didn't have a great time tonight and they haven't had a good time at any of these other events And I have tried to be as positive as possible, and I've mostly had an okay time this year. But it, I mean, they keep stacking these on top of each other.

And that, that doesn't feel like that's good for the long-term health of the sport. I'm starting to actually get a little concerned about what that's going to mean for us. I will also say something that I just thought about as you were saying that. I wonder if the UFC actually feels like they are putting their best foot forward. I guarantee you when they announced GFC 324, they're like, this is, we couldn't do any better for you guys. 325, there's no way they could have felt that way. Even though Dana basically said, like, don't watch it.

If you don't like it, don't watch. Dude, he's having to say that so much now. Yeah, it's ridiculous. They used to be like once a year maybe, but now it's just like. Yeah, 324, there's no doubt in my mind. They were like, yeah, we did it. The fans are going to be pumped. and they kind of were

I don't know we're in such a weird place right now William just said or whatever I think that's why I'm sorry a lot of people became MMA fans in COVID because it was the only thing on like I have friends out of my life I don't have many friends

in my life who watch MMA most of them do not I have a couple who found MMA during COVID and then reached out me afterwards like hey you you know I am a fan of this whatever and like those they don't like I'm priced into this I can't leave I've been following this sport for 20 years I can't I just can't give it up like what am I going to do pick up a new sport I know nothing about no like I'm in I'm locked in until a day I die watching this sport those people aren't and if you keep giving them this they're I don't know what that means and maybe I'm chicken littleing it I hope I am

I hope I'm wrong. But it's just like I need win and win is the last unequivocal win for the UFC outside of the monetary one. They're killing it monetarily, but like 300? I don't know.

And the fact that the White House card landed flat for most people, I also think it's tough. So hopefully hopefully this is just a little lull. Things will pick back up. We'll get some good fights, whatever. But it's been a 2026, been a,

tough, tough start to this new paradigm. Some notes from Aaron Bronze Seder about Dana White. White was surprised by how the main event played out. Didn't expect Oliver to be able to dominate the way he did. Did exactly what you needed to do to win. Here's some interesting stuff. Man. Dana White says that the matchmakers presented him with choices for the White House fights,

and he chose them. White says there was no chance for Aspinall was going to be available, which is by prayer and Ghana fighting for the interim. Didn't they say like he has nothing to do with the matchmaking? Wasn't that like one of the things that was said in the... Yeah, but I also can believe that, yes, I think that he is not involved in day-to-day matchmaking. I also can totally believe that for a one-off super special White House event that is functionally being put on as a favor to his close personal friend, the president of the United States, I'm willing to believe that he got final veto on on these fights or whatever.

Dana White says there was never a possibility of John Jones fighting on the White House card. White says that Jones has hit problems and that Jones is never in negotiations for the card, which way was in fact about. I don't believe that second part. I'm open to believing that John was never in contention because I'm open to believing that other people tried to negotiate that. and Dana was like, F that dude, he refused to fight Tom and screwed me over because Dana can hold the grudge. But I, too many people who I trust believe that John Jones is at least having some conversations about that. White says it's fair to say that Jones is retired. He's in that his fighting career at the UFC is over. Here's an interesting one in a in a shocker, right? In a shocker.

I'm excited to be shocked. I have fun. Dana White did not disclose which fight fell off the card because of the stream. circumstances surrounding why yeah i think we know but i don't think we can say yeah it's gonna come out so it'll come out i don't know if that's fight or not i don't know um yeah because i'd heard a different fight but we'll see but yeah i just i don't know if dana's gonna say anything more interesting than that really that's really all dana claims ufc sent a letter to john jones saying he'd never fight on the white house card ever what i hope he did that's that's at least all That's at least an incredibly funny way to do it.

That might be the biggest collectible item. Dude, if that exists, John should hold it dear. Go to pawn stars and sell up. You're never fighting in the White House ever. Oh, Lordy. P.S. checkbox if you like me. Luke Thomas always says the average fandom for UFC fans last around five to six years

before a new generation arrives becomes fans of the sport. I'm starting to think that's true, actually. Which is true. You've been saying this for a long time. I think it's less than that now. Yeah, it's not five or six. I think it's always been like a, I think it's been somewhere in a three to five year cycle. Three is a number.

I mean, that's been true for most of my fandom in this sport. Again, I've been following the sport for 20 years. 20 years, right? Longer than 20 years. This is 20, 26. I started in 2003, 2004, something like that. So, yeah, man. That's just true.

And I think that that's also probably broadly true for most sports. but certainly for this one you just have a cycle and some people stay forever if you guys are here you're probably there forever for a long period of time um well yeah casual fans they flit in and out and especially in star driven sports you know you you come in and you are drawn to certain stars you're drawn to connor mcgregor connor mcgris stops fighting you stop paying attention as much so it's it's a natural progression um but the thing is you have to have something to get new fans in. And I don't, I don't know that any fight card this year has been like, that's going to turn

me into a new fan. I had a hell of a fun time at Gaichi Patty. That was, that was banging. I don't know that anybody watched. I was like, I'm going to do this for this. This is my sport now. Maybe. Maybe they did.

I just don't, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, but like, look at the numbers they did for 324. Look at the numbers they did. Huge. Have we heard them tout out any number since then? Yeah. And they were always going to be, you know, yeah, because they're always going to do monster numbers their first one on Paramount more accessible.

But even if I think even in this day and age, if the UFC did a million viewers for UFC 325, they would tout it. They would say that. They may get getting that. I'll tell you, they may get it this time because we had some on regular CBS. So they may do a numbers drop of, hey, look at how we did because it's their first time ever on on big CBS. but you know when your numbers are this is the first time you get to do something

it's not long-term sustainability and again if you tune in on CBS and you just saw drew dober kill a man maybe you're in but like the rest of it I don't know we'll see it is early we do not need to say that the sport is dead and we're all screwed but it's been a long time since I've had unequivocal fun and I think most of you have had like it's just super fun. It's a great, no, not every part about this is fun.

My fandom is rewarded. It feels like we've been getting those less and less. And all of 2026, if I'm wrong, tell me. If you guys have had an awesome 2026, genuinely put it in the chat, I would love to know. You just can. I just don't think many people have that feeling right now. 324 is very good and it's since then.

It has not been great. Sean Strickland's performance was fantastic. Yeah. There's a fantastic. There have been highlights. of good performances and stuff absolutely no questions asked but i don't think most people are feeling super jazzed about what's happened in 2026 and a lot of it is because this none of these fights i mean we have a dearth of stars there are many reasons but hopefully i am very excited on about 27 it looks really

good to me and again maybe maybe we start to come around on the white house card and we get a a little more interests feel a little better about it. And we can get back to where we're really having fun because I love to have fun. It's my, having fun is my favorite. No update on when Connor McGregor fight again, but that they are definitely in talks with him, not even close to anything being finalized. Jay, John's manager claims who have been in negotiations all night last night, but what the hell do I know?

This is what I said on the People's Prefight show. what malchikawa did was absolutely brilliant for his brand because if you guys don't know by now maliki kawa i don't like he runs the agency but he's not like i don't think he's like officially john's manager i think ab is i was good um and i don't even know if like they're technically just his manager or whatever maliki kawa is yes is he still somewhat involved in mixed martial arts negotiations yes he is an NFL agent he is like full on NFL right now so him just putting that out could have meant anything it could have been an NFL free agency deal or some sort of contract these is illia's manager too so he's not yeah he runs the agency but he's not like

he's not illy his manager either so like I know this is brilliant I was brilliant it's brilliant thing if like Adam Schuster came out was like this dude signed this contract thanks to Melky Kauer from first round management, I would have lost my mind laughing. There's just brilliant on his part to get people talking. Like that's what this world is now. And everyone's just all the speculation and rampant because of that. I let me tell you what I'm excited for. And this, I clip it.

This might be the first and only time I am going to ever say this. And I'm saying it into a live microphone. You're here. I am excited to hear John. Because John's going to come out. He's going to say something soon. And I'm excited to hear what John says about this because I would like to know more about how this didn't happen. And I feel like John is not going to be cool about it.

If that makes sense. Dana White says that if Eddie Hearn wants to box, I mean, come to the UFC Apex and they can box. White says the Kalm Walsh offered to fight on the undercard of the boxing match. And White said that he and Eddie would be the first match. in the card if there were real boxers on it. Can we just stop with this shit? No, because I think it'd be really funny. They're not gonna box.

They're not. Zero chance. I think it'd be really funny. They shouldn't box. I think it's very stupid if Dana to suggest that. I credit, I thought Eddie Hearn would be like, no, that's childish.

Eddie was like, I mean, Dana's not bad. I'd box him. I was like, of course you were. You've seven inches on him in 10 years. Yeah, because he was also like, also you box more often than Dana does at this point yeah he's like it probably sparked his ass up they didn't get it didn't can box them of course not they ain't gonna box them you just not going honestly they really should it would that would do

numbers for hell yeah you want you want to turn the you want to turn the sport around a little bit you want the UFC to get a little more shine I know it's a boxing match but golly that'd do it that'd do it that'd do it that would he's a normal this guy well at he's six six or something he's six five yeah he's he's very tall and he boxes a lot like he trains he does like train a train super like he trains like he knows how to box he's 10 years younger and six inches taller than than dain he would very obviously win a boxing match between the two of them damn he would just jab the which is why it's incredibly funny the day i was like i'll box him like i don't know man that

doesn't seem like great choice but whatever and then also shout out to Eddie who handled all of that brilliantly he was like dude it's because Eddie is the best talker in the game Eddie's an unbelievable talker is an if I was a fighter of means and talent I would sign with Eddie Earn he's an incredible he's the

Paul Heyman of combat sports management he's so good he's like oh everybody's making a big deal out of this and I get it and so we're clear I was absolutely using the timing of this to our advantage and I told Tom that and if Tom wanted to not do it okay but this is going to be how it's the biggest.

But realistically, I'm an adult. They run a very successful business. The best thing for everybody is not for us to bicker and be assholes about it. We're going to solve it and it'll be fine. It's like, what an adult, man, what a guy. What else we got? Many different fights and play for the White House car. The ones announced tonight were the ones he picked.

White says that Harrison versus Nunes was discussed. Of course. But she's recovering from next surgery and her return should not be rushed. I told you. Of course. I mean, no way that fight was going to happen so quickly.

I think not possible. I think it was a silly for them to book it in January anyway. But obviously once that fight fell apart because of the injury, the immediate thought is, well, can it fit here? But the time was just not going to work. And so, you know, it is what it is. We know. Nothing.

Nobody is to blame on that one. It's an interesting point. Let me just look at this up real quick. What are you looking up? Oh, okay. I knew I knew something changed. Yeah, someone said, uh, Daucus was fighting Luke A. Um, now Lou Ge's fighting Calvin Gasolm.

So and that's why. Yes. And that's why they should have absolutely done Colby versus Bo. I don't know why they didn't. Apparently Colby said no. I don't know if that one, I don't know if that's true. But I believe that's true because I don't think Colby should have fought. I mean, if he gets him on the White House card, maybe that's good enough.

But, like, I think that would be a silly fight for Kobe to take. It was also silly for him to talk about it like he would take it if he was then going to not take it. But, you know, don't throw bad money after good or good money after bad. A couple more that we'll get out of here. Spencer, almost always more positive on cards than most, but they miss slightly on the White House. John Poetton, Ilya, Justin, Coimane, Sugar Sanhagen gives us what we wanted. John was off the table. so like there's just they couldn't get john done yeah uh i mean they i just they should have i still

we'll never know the details i think it's a failure on everybody's part by mazal leon edwards is not on this card is absolutely silly mazboleana ever should be on this card obviously cori sandhagan or sandhagan versus sean should be on this card but we know why we know why they're doing it um but i never gonna not think that's funny. That is go back and maybe we'll even clip it. You can go watch our live reaction to that fight card announcement. The first thing I do is burst out laughing. And it's not because of the main or co-main event.

It's because I'm looking at that card and I see Sean Amelowie and I can't stop laughing for like four minutes. It is. It's the best. Look, again, they missed. They absolutely missed. I'm not trying to tell you this is better than it is. I'm just here to tell you, and I think this is true,

once we set aside the expectations and the event gets closer, we'll all be pretty excited because it is an objectively like plus card. This is, that is a better card than they have put on paper thus far this year.

It's just not what we wanted. And so the expectations always define our realities. Feel your way now. trust when it gets to be you know June 1st we're going to be looking at that night man we're going to have a damn good time and it's going to be super weird that there are fights on the white house long yes uh spencer doesn't max have all time take down defense don't blame charles but with that in white house deflated right now thoughts on rdi r kio happy for jj and jang best women's fight ever yep we discussed that uh he doesn't have all time take down

events but he has like a historically very good takedown defense i think they're are two things worth noting there one um as people pointed out before and those people are sure relishing and pointing out now max has really not fought that many grappling first fighters couple but most of them are you know not stylistically that and i think the bigger piece of it was realistically uh charles was significantly larger than max in there and he may well have gotten him down anyway even if they were like more comparably sized um because he did and certainly as the fight went on he hit some actually really cool transitions into stuff chain wrestled um work trips and overhooks like things that were pretty neat but the first couple were just like

like the first one came after he kind of buzzed max and then just collapsed on him and had it like had a full grip lock while max's arms are pinned to his side and then just took him down look So a couple of them were just like straight up, my arms are on you. I'm going to strength you down. But he also may have gotten down anyway. So, you know, always everything in context there. I don't blame Charles for winning the fight. The only criticism you talked.

Say, do what you say you're going to do. You said you're down to point. You did for three seconds. Should have got up to do it at the end. I think he would have liked everything better had he done. done it too. It's not like probably wouldn't have lost. And I think people would again, more people would be giving him his flowers at least out of respect for that effort at the end. But say, let me.

Yes. Uh, thoughts on RDR. You're your guy. My guy. That's the last question. Uh, you lost again. I love him. Um, 30 27th. Credit to Kyle, Kyle came out like a house on fire. I don't think I agree with the 30 27th, but I don't care. It's fine. It's not. It's not. like a terrible thing um kio i knew kio would be the better striker i knew he'd much faster which would always be a problem kio did a really good job of not letting r d r get to the best parts of his game which are really all clinch related and just being big and strong and physical in those tight spaces kio minimized a lot of that um faster hands cleaner striking uh and Yeah, I mean, he won the fight.

So credit to him. But I still love RDR. And now it means we are further away from my two sons fighting, which I would love and will be my happiest day. But I said after he lost to Brandon Allen, I want to see RDR up at lay heavyweight. I think it better suits him in general. And I think we're going to get that now. And I'm, I will still support this man forever. Yeah.

Go to 205. You could probably fight for about the 205. All right. Last thing we're getting out of here. Shout out to Morning Wombat. To what extent we can use this fight as evidence of how Islam versus Max or how Habib versus Max would have gone. I mean, it is definitive.

Yeah. I, I was curious at the time when they booked Max Habib, I was like, pretty sure Habib is just going to be too big but I am at least interested now and I was always kind of had a question I have no questions now that fight would not have been remotely competitive and Habib almost certainly finishes him

and the same for Islam like this just not yeah just how like those I have there's no doubt in my mind we have proof positive of how that fight would have gone because both of those men are and Charles is a good Wrestler both those men are much better wrestlers more physical every piece of it's better

Yeah there it is mm-hmm will then we're gonna talk about that later this week trust me But I don't have the answer right now so um later this week I'll dive into how this may or may not affect max's legacy Because we're gonna have to think about it more I I just straight up did not anticipate this outcome and credit to Charles Oliver for it because That's hell of impressive hell impressive Yeah, I mean, LazyBid kind of nailed it. This is a car that happened. It happened so much. Ha!

I'm here so I don't get fined. That's a great comment. Well done. And yeah, you hear the music of the background. They're playing us off. It's time to go. However, we're not done talking about this event. AK and I will be back tomorrow, 11.30 a.m. Eastern time.

And we're going to do some matchmaking, which I think is honestly, like kind of fascinating when it comes to the aftermath of this. My out-no pick is Charles versus Armand for the vacant belt. It's a great out-no-pick. In the fall, I'd like to be on the record for that. All right. Well, get ready. You're going to lose an hour of sleep.

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