MMA Fighting - UFC 330 Post-Fight Show | REACTION To Islam Makhachev Outlasting Ian Machado Garry To Break Record

Episode Date: August 16, 2026

Islam Makhachev broke the UFC record for most consecutive victories on Saturday night in Philadelphia, but he had to work a lot harder than most thought he would. In the end, it wasn't a thrilling battle, but Makhachev did enough to defeat a game Ian Machado Garry in the main event of UFC 330 to retain the welterweight title. Following the event, MMA Fighting's Mike Heck and Jed Meshew react to UFC 330, Makhachev's win over Machado Garry, discuss the big takeaways, and potential struggles Makhachev could find himself in against Carlos Prates and Michael Morales. Additionally, topics include Mackenzie Dern's lopsided win over Gillian Robertson in her successful co-main event title defense, Zhang Weili potentially returning to challenge Dern, other standout moments, the shocking upsets that happened, and much more. Follow Mike Heck: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@m_heckjr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Jed Meshew: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@JedKMeshew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/dYpsgH⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out our full video catalog: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/u8VvLi⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Visit our playlists:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://goo.gl/eFhsvM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Like MMAF on Facebook: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow on Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://goo.gl/nOATUI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Read More: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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They are loud. And they sound for Islam Makachev Dern season. And McKenzie Dern. Damn, right. Successful title defenses for both fighters, both putting their titles

on the line for the first time, both getting workman-like. decision wins, I think, would be the polite way to say it, although McKenzie, I think was a little bit more fun tonight. I would call McKinsey's more work than like. I would call Islam's, what's the word I'm looking for for Islam's? He scraped one out, you know? Like, you got it. And I don't think anyone's debating that he got. I mean, some people are. Shout it to the chat. Maybe not you people with us, but the people on the watch party, there were some, there were some, there's some takes flying. But, you know, when I think of working late, like, you know, it's not your best day at the office.

But it's fine. You go in. You push some paper around. You hammer some boards, whatever your work is. You go home. This was a, he survived the office. This is, Islam's leaving the office. He had it several coffees.

He's looking a little haggard. Guys on the way out are like, man, they're giving the, have a good day. You know, not like to see you tomorrow, Bob. it's like, hey man, take care. Take care of yourself. He survived it. But nobody's going to confuse this with the most interesting, like the most exciting fight or his most dominant win, certainly.

Yeah, I mean, I guess when you look back at this, Jed, like what is your biggest takeaway from this fight? Is it on the Islam side? Is Ian as good or better than you thought? Like, when you look back on this fight, I know we just haven't had a lot of time, to really digest it. But as you sit back and think about what you just witness,

what's your biggest takeaway, what's your biggest talking point? A friend called you right now is like, tell me what happened. What do you say? I'm going to tune out of home very slightly because it is hard for me to have a major takeaway on this fight because this fight looked very, very close to what I expected it.

All week when we talked about this fight, I was like, I think Ian can win. And he could, like by the nature of, I know it was 49, 46 on two scorecards. we didn't agree. We gave it four, we gave it three, two, though I gave a 10-8 round. I know not many people agree, but I did. You know, that was, Ian could have won that fight. It wouldn't have taken much, you know?

We, we use golf analogies all the time, Mike, but it's like, you look and you look and you're like, I left three on the lip. I could have been close to 70 something. And it didn't, wouldn't have taken much. Had one head kick not landed, maybe that fight's different. You know, maybe not. certainly based on the actual scorecards for one. But that's what I expected.

I said my breakdown all week, Ian can make Islam not look good. I'm not sure how he wins three rounds because he just doesn't have enough dynamic offense. And yes, he is a very great defensive fighter, but so is Islam. And so I think that's ultimately how this played out. If I'm taking outside of being like,

I knew this was going to happen, If I learned the thing in this fight, I think the thing I learned is twofold. Or maybe it's just one, but I don't know which way it breaks, which way it breaks will find out in time. Ian Gary's even better than I thought. And I thought he was very good.

But he seems to have added some wrinkles. That half wrap he was using, the reverse leg rod or whatever you call it, as a counter. It didn't work all the time, but it did have some success as sort of styming Islam. but the flip side of the coin is

we didn't see it against Jack because Jack's not that big a welterweight Ian's obviously a very big well to weight and a very tall welterweight isn't a marketer might have real problems in this weight class against guys who have genuine like physical advantages over him so he looks small in the cage

and it seemed like certainly the length but just the size overall like even when he's doing the overwrap the rides on the side he's trying to switch one side to another When Gary's stand up, he's full hitchhiked up, Islam can't just screw past. He's got to like jump over the hips to get to the side. Like, it seemed like the size was really a big factor.

And that gives me questions about how Islam can continue to succeed against somebody like a Michael Marales, somebody like a call this protest, equally big guys, but with more dynamic offense. Yeah, the Pratchez fight is interesting, although I still would pick Islam, like kind of confidently. Morales, man. that one that one to me and I felt this way even after the MSG car

I'm like dude just him and Morales is just super fun and super fascinating and I feel like this is like the toughest matchup for him and I kind of understand

his team being like nah man proches is the guy but if I'm that like if I'm Islam I'm going to the press car and be like hey everyone thinks Michael Morales

the toughest matchup give me that man I would love to see that fight I don't know if we're going to get it a braver man than I am because I'm not trying to fight my if I'm Islam if I'm anybody I'm not trying to fight Michael Morales I'm picking a new career that dude looks terrifying yeah he's not going to do that because Ali is going to push for the Justin

Gaichy fight which I'm already that that will bother me immensely if it happens yeah you all know what my affinity for Justin Gaichie is but I like to think that I'm a consistent I have consistent rules if that will bother me to no end if that gets booked yeah they didn't get they didn't do the Usman fight, thank God. There's no way they're doing the Gajee fight. There's just no chance they're making that fight happen. So hopefully they do this in order. And you know, you might get your wish, Jed.

Carl Sprauches and Michael Morales might just go in there and fight each other. But honestly, I'd keep those two dudes away from each other. Just pick a guy. One fights for the belt next. The other one gets next. Like neither one of them has to do anything else at this point. Both of their next fights should be for the belt. they've done it.

It would be so long out for Morales if he's not the guy who gets picked, though. So then you're just like, you're basically just giving to Morales and protest has to wait. Like, sure. I think Islam's fighting in the spring,

maybe in February. You just have those two dudes fight and, can we just get Gilbert Burns back and just throw him in there with Morales? Like, again, I don't care. Like,

just let Morales nuke somebody to build the excitement for his eventual title fight. It would also be, the answer. And Marouse did touch 53 pounds to get to be the backup. I think he, that deserves a little consideration, does it not? There's no wrong way to eat this, Reese's.

It's really the answer. I'll be fine with any of them. I just, we said this on the watch party, and I'm very comfortable saying this again, this was not a great fight. It was not a, it was a, it was a good fight in that it was a good technical battle. This was not a fight that if you were casually enjoyed, going is fun.

This is not a fight you would show your friends. It's not a fight. You'll probably go back and watch. I'm going to watch again tomorrow because when we do the watch party, it is tough to pick up on all the technical things. And there are a couple of things I want to see, certainly about Ian's defensive, what he was doing in there.

Because he kept, like I mentioned, he kept doing that half wrap going over the leg as a counter. And a couple of times it really worked. And a couple of times it didn't. And I don't know what happened. And then the in the final, the thing I really want to look at is in the fifth round, as I'm moved to the back for 20 minutes, Ian had prevented him from hitting slide by, his inside trips, sort of the various sequences he operates on.

And in the fifth round, he, is, I'm sort of just teleported to his back. And I assume that that happened because he reacted to the way Ian had been defending him all night. But like, that's why you would watch this fight for like small technical breakdown things. This fight was not super interesting. it's not super fun it's not any nobody needs to tell you that this was a barn burner and the greatest thing like it is what it is

and we can all be impressed by as I'm scraping out a very difficult win but the point of this fight really is to me is what does this portend for his other well to write fights because now I'm I'm more interested than I was and I've been very interested but like

I would it will never happen I'd love to see him fight Shafcott God I'd love to see him fight Shafcott I think I know a process would go. I'd like to see it. The Morales is deeply interesting. We talked about a little. That feels one-way traffic either way to me.

But like I kind of want to see them on. I hope we get it. I hope we don't do some bozo nonsense with it. Yeah. I scored the fight 48, 47 for Islam. I gave Gary three and four. I thought it was even heading into round five. I understand why you gave Islam four.

You're not like really paying close attention. but I mean truly if you go back watch that fourth round all Islam did was just hold him against the fight. I think Ian won the fight. I said that I was deeply not certain judges would see it that way, but we both scored the fourth round for Ian. A lot of other people did too. I think that the fourth round prop.

One judge did. I think that the fourth round should go to Ian. But like, and there are people in the comments now. There are people in the comments there at the watch party. There's no credible way to give Ian three rounds. There's just not. Like you can dislike it and you can be,

you can be like that fight was boring but like he didn't win three of the rounds and the argument like look at it is on his face like fate the the fight is scored in a round by round basis also by far the biggest damage of the fight was done by his amokchev in the third round when he knocked down the dude like second

we're second right you don't have to love this I'm not telling you that you have to love this you should respect it but you don't even have to like care about it but we don't have to love it I like there's Ian didn't make an excuse and he's not going to there is no way to say he won the fight outside of like the most I just don't like grappling perspective of it it wasn't a great fight but these are the rules we operate under true so this is a mock chep wins imichita o'garee gets a little bit of respect from people but let me ask you this there's something you said on multiple

shows this week. You said this is the first time Islam really kind of felt like the people's champion that people were really behind him and they were cheering for him. You know, it's hard to do it against the Dustin Porreys. It's kind of hard to do it against the Charles Oliveras. Like it was in Abu Dhabi so it didn't really play out that way. And even Volk in Australia, it was like the Volk show and you know, that stuff. It's hard, right? It's hard to be the people's champion and really felt this way because mostly I think just because how people feel. felt about Ian more so than they loved Islam. Yes, I agree.

How does that go forward after this performance? Because the boo birds were loud. You see the comments here and, you know, a lot of short-term memories in the sport. That's kind of how it works, but he's going to be a divisive figure. The people who don't like him are the people in the chat who are upset. They probably already didn't like him coming in. And I'm not here to tell you that all of your criticisms are wrong either.

Like there are, he absolutely plays it safe sometimes. He is 100% very comfortable prioritizing defense over offense. I would argue that also that's sort of Ian's thing too. And if Ian prioritized offense a little more, he might just straight up won this fight. But like, they're going to hate him. And especially because it seems like his next fights are going to be against people that fans love.

because they're doing dynamic fun, interesting things. And maybe that serves Islam a little better. He comes in and is like, yeah, like he can have a chip on his shoulder. So I asked AK in the preview show, I was like, this really feels like the first fight, Islam won't have any sort of a chip on his shoulder. Because even with the Jack one, I know, again, hindsight feels like it's 20-20, and we all knew Jack's going to win. He was not as big a favor against Jacks.

He wasn't this one, I'm pretty sure. I could be wrong on that. But, like, we thought he was going to win. But it still, you never know what he's going to look like up a wait. class. Jack Delah Madelanah is on a 17-fight win streak or whatever it is. And it just, it's easy to feel a type of way about him. It seems like for a lot of people. And they have for most of his career. And with Ilya and the dynamic there, it just felt like fans weren't behind him. This one everyone was. Maybe he's built for this better. He can have a chip on a shoulder

going in against those. I don't know. We'll see. It's, it's, I don't know what to say about this fight, Mike. It's so it is undeniably, it feels like we've said this a lot about like the best fighters in the world recently. Like Hamzaa Chamaev's win over DDP. We had the same. It was like, he won. He won. You can't make an argument that he lost, but we're not excited about it. Islam's went over Jack.

And the same thing. And two makes a bit of a pattern. And I am a little more interested now is like, is it just that fighting up a weight class is so much more challenging on him and that he because there has been a bad people incorrectly think he was a boring fighter for strategist's career yeah a lot of finishes in his career in general but he's had some big moments where he's not and now two in a row up a weight class is it like actually yeah not being the biggest guy in the room is really challenging for you to look the same you can still win he's doing so but it's interesting i'm i'm very excited to see

see him continue this well-to-weight journey, even if I'm not excited about watching all the fights from like, hell yeah, it's going to rock, brother. Yeah. Where do you think people are going to rank him on the goat list now? Because we had a, one of the big talks,

like he goes up there and beats Ian and, you know, does so super, he goes out there in 50, 45s Ian or just runs his ass over. You'd feel comfortable putting him in the top 10, but if he beats Pratchez, gets a little closer,

beats him or out, us after that. Then we can really start talking about sitting him at the head table. And people thought we were crazy for saying top 10. There are people like truly like throwing shade in my DMs. Oh, he's top two automatically. I'm like, uh, his resume is so strange. Like, it's very curious. The Anderson, like Anderson 16 is he's the weirdest best fighter ever by far. 100%. So where do we put him now? After this win, where is he top 10 right now for you? Or, you stopped it a little bit more. If you want to put them top 10, I don't have any issues with it, I might put them top

10. I'd have to really consider this because these are real accomplishments. Defending belts in multiple weight classes and real title defense is not, I'm fighting Stepe Amiichich, that bullshit. That's not a real, that's a fake-ass title defense. This is a real title defense. And that is, I mean, that is incredibly rarefied air. One other person has done it, basically. And that other person did it in Women's Featherweight, which is, I got to

I tell you, defending belts in women's band and weight and women's featherweight is not quite the same as defending the belt and lightweight and welterweight. Just not, this is the best double champ brain. You don't have to love it. This is the best double champ brain in history, almost definitionally. Then that's probably enough to put you in the top 10, but I would have to really sit down and think about it because ultimately, if you think, like, if you do break it down, he has, this is his seventh championship fight.

Seventh championship win. that's very good. That sort of puts you all the top of my head. I think that puts you in the top, like there are like 10 other fighters, maybe 12 other fighters in UFC history, but that's sort of like that many championship wins. You even give them a bump because it's across two weight classes.

You can give them a little extra, but that's not John 17 or whatever it is. So he's not, he's certainly not at the head of the table. He's probably in the top 10. He's probably in the 10 greatest fighters of all time, which is not a slight. and I want the Islam market defense to understand this.

It is not, we're not disrespecting him, but I've been like, you're not the best fighter ever because there are a lot of other unbelievably good fighters. Saying someone is one of the 10 best people who've ever done something is a compliment. And he still can get better.

Like, he still can add Morales, protest, do whatever else. And we'll see how that goes. Yeah, I got to see the Morales fight. I'd love to see that.

Yeah, I want to see that fight. I have to see it. I just hope Islam, doesn't go fight, practice, and then he's like, I'm done, I've done everything I need to do here. I don't think we're going to keep him around much longer. He says he wants to get to 20, so maybe we just get three more fights out of them. That's it.

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Gene is quite upset about what happened. We haven't seen any of it, but the chat is suggesting that Dean is very upset about Julian Roberts. Apparently he's just on the post show and say he's not going to corner her anymore. I mean, again,

I'm going to go watch this whole fight so I can hear her commentary. Or he's done as a coach. Was that what he said? I'm not coaching anymore. I really want to, because if this is like a genuine thing, I respect the hell out of that crash out,

because I think of that all the time. Like, if I was coaching this person and they're just not doing the things I'm telling them to do, I would lose my mind at them. And it seems like he might be crashing out. And that's completely relatable. Yeah. Because I'm like, man, if I was coaching this fighter, I'd be like, stop, just stop doing the bad thing.

Do the good things. And if he's like, in real life, I can't deal with Jillian. I can't do this anymore. That will be funny as hell to me. So Dean Thomas officially retires from cornering fights. He said he's taking Jillian as far as she can go. I mean, that is there you go. True, but tough, tough scenes from him.

Yep, that's, uh, yeah, that was basically his news. He retired as a coach because of how this fight went. And, uh, let's talk about it, Jed. McKenzie Dern Island is still colored gold. We used to pray, we used to pray for days like this. Uh, you. and Shaheen Al Shadi still remain. I know other people are going to stay.

People jump back on and that's okay. We love to have you. We got room. All the rafts are coming in. They're trying to offer food and gifts to you and Shaheen to jump back on the island. We picked out the prime real estate while y'all were gone. This was. Sure was a fight.

It was a fight. I just don't see a world where you can give Julian Robertson two rounds. I just, I can't see an argument. Did the judges give her two rounds? One judge, 40, 48, 47. I think that's a horrific. So they gave her the third and it had to have. I haven't looked at the cards.

I gave her the fifth. I mean, you gave her the fifth. Everybody gave her the fifth. But that means that judge, the other round had to have been the third. She very clearly did not win one two or four. Yeah, and I wouldn't even give her the third. We didn't.

But at least that one there was like, you know, Dern didn't do that much more. So yeah, she definitely won round five. That's no question to ask you one round five. This fight was not competitive. This is exactly what I felt this fight. was going to be the moment it was booked. The internet had me doubting myself

that like Jillian was going to pull off the upset and that she was just this dangerous, absolutely evil blood sucker and McKenzie had no chance. McKenzie doesn't hurt people, but Jillian, all she does is go on hurt people. This is one of those fights where we saw in the first two minutes that the athleticism gap

was oceans apart between these two. The speed advantage, oceans apart between the two, the grappling advantage, motions apart between the two. Yes, Jillian won round five because McKenzie just gassed herself out trying to finish her and couldn't get the job done.

So shout out to Gillian for making it to the end. But this fight was not competitive. It was one-way traffic all the way. McKenzie held on in round five. There's no, she knew there's no chance Jillian could finish her. Yeah, she, she coasted that one in. This was, this was everything I thought it would be

the moment Gillian Robertson beat him at a limo. She was like, they might just do this, but Derns is going to beat her and not even really break the sweat. Yeah. I was pretty right on both of the main fights. I missed several of the other fights in this card. A lot of upsets happen tonight. But yeah,

the co-main event, I was just like, I mean, anything could happen. It's a McKinsey Dern fight. I will say I thought she looked more measured than she normally does. It's Jillian Robertson, so it's tough to say,

but this was the best wrestling of Dern's career by far. Oh, yeah. Both defensive and offensive by far. so she's adding some tools here that's good but yeah i went into this fight being like i'm not sure how robertson wins because during is much more athletic and significantly better at the best thing robertson does and probably better on the feet and all of those things are true um people will not respect this title defense and that's fine and i think even fair honestly like as much as me and jean are relishing this moment we can also acknowledge that there is a big

shadow that's shaped a little bit like Zhang Wei Lee hanging over this weight class assuming she is coming back from the talk of the booth it seems like she is going to come back and we'll get a title fight probably next year at this rate but maybe the end of the year they book a Zhang thing that could happen yeah um

and then you know if Dern can pull off what would be an enormous upset then no one can dispute what she has done and we can me and me and sheen can just retire uh But like, it's fair to be like, how much credit do we put to this? It's fair to not think. But McKenzie Dern has more UFC title defenses than Holly Holm.

She has more UFC title defenses than Nisha Tate. She has more UFC title defenses than Brandon Moreno. She has more UFC title defenses than Glover to Shera. Glover never successfully defended the belt, right? She, like, there are a number of people that she has more. She has more U.S. Tidal Defenses than heavyweight Daniel Cornea? No, that's not true

because I forget he got Derek Lewis, which is a garbage one. Like she's She gets to live in the history books whether you believe it or not. It just sort of, it is, we can all acknowledge, but it is what it is. I mean, it's got to be jogging. There's just nothing else.

I mean, Fatima. If John's not coming back, you do Fatima. But if Jean's coming back, we do it. Fatima's got to get another way. If Jean's not coming back, just put her in there now. save this division let fatima fight tautiana soarez and mackenzie gets the winner if it's not john not that i'm like overly excited to watch tautiana swarez compete although she did get a finish in her last fight against lupigodinias but yeah dude you got to do klein versus tautiana and

Klein passes that test and you give her a title fight so there you go uh so that is oh okay oh are we learning things man uh uh let's Let's see. Let's close us up real quick. This is from Harmon Sorai while you're doing that. Going into 330, the overall consensus thought was a bit top, or 330, thought this was a bit top heavy, more like a boxing card than a numbered UFC card. What letter grade would you give it? C plus.

Yeah, that's about right. C plus squash matches, some upsets, bump the grade up a little bit, but two titles. fights are just they were professional fights that happened that no one will be excited about they are passing grades but we don't need to pretend there anything more yeah the commain was a fight that should not have happened because the rifle challenger wasn't able to fight and you know as much as people tried to make jillian like the live dog just there's just really no you couldn't really find a way for her to win like honestly unless you just like sat on honor for 25 minutes and we knew pretty early in that fight that wasn't going to work.

And then yeah, the main event was in fact, McKinsey sat on her for like two minutes in the fight, which is very fun. Yeah. And basically just to catch a breath because she knew like Jillian couldn't do anything. We did have some upsets, which made it fun, uh,

Mick Debec or by losing right away to the lone Philly guy on the car. Philly stand up. It was pretty sick. Uh, in fact, I mean, technically, bonus is,

uh, no fight of the night. that doesn't stun me uh jeremiah wells bonus charles johnson bonus jill jell johnson got a bonus good for him scotch switch you better get oh you got that was a scottish twist that's right that's right that's right you're right jillan turner gets a bonus and 38 second knock out and a half a minute that's fine and how about good old dusty stultz getting himself 100 k he's not philly though don't you say that man landcast his own dusty stoltz congratulations to him man uh i mean big upset ruined see bus card.

Yeah. The thing is, even the fun upsets and the finishes, almost none of them meant anything, right? These are not hugely significant. Or they meant things in negative ways, right?

Like, oral buy is not going to be a thing, is what that meant. Like, he's just not going to be a thing now. So it is what it is. Passing card, not when you're going to be excited

to tell your friends about tomorrow around the water cooler or whatever. So Dana White, apparently he said, and this is not a quote, but this is the Aaron Browns at our Dana White report. We know that's good. Dana White says that if Ian Machado, Gary,

had even an ounce of killer instinct, he could have won the fight. Did not like how cordial the fighters were with each other. It feels Ian will regret his approach when he watches it back. He said that Makachev controlled Gary and shut him down, did exactly what he needed to do. Says that for Islam to do what he did to a bigger fighter like Gary's impressive. He says that Ian assured Dana that he was one of the best in the world after the fight.

says that Ian is a classy guy, but when the fight starts, he needs to flip a switch. White says the fan of Jillian Robertson was surprised at how much McKenzie dominate her both on the feet and on the ground. Credible win for Jeremiah. Islam's win streak might not be beaten in his lifetime

if he keeps fighting and building the streak. I mean, it will be hard to do. No update on Zhang Wili's return, but he's excited to see her face to earn. Barbosa's been in many wars, absolute savage. Machachov didn't have the loan loss in this record, it'd be a no-brainer that he'd be the goat.

He says to let his career play out and then make those determinations on his all-time status. A lot of what Dana said, I agree with, I would quibble with characterizing it as killer instinct. I think we're talking about the same thing, but in my head when I think killer instinct, I think he, that to suggest to me that he let Islam off the hook, right?

Like he hurt Islam. Islam has never hurt. But he doesn't, again, Ian really needs offense. He is really good at taking you out of your comfort zone, making you not have your A, B, or C game. But he needs...

It is hard to... The reason I picked his arms, like, it is hard for you to win against the guy who's just who's the best fighter in the world doing that. You can make him look bad. You can make it tight and narrow and close, but like he... He does need, he needs a go button.

He needs the corner to be like, all right, we played real tight for 15 minutes. Now we're going to push the big red button and you got to hit the Noss. You got to, you got to open up your offense. And we'll never know because he didn't do it. But it is entirely possible that if he did open up the offense, that opens up opportunities for Islam to kick the shit out of him, right? And he did. Really, the one time he like fucked up at all and tried to do something.

He got kicked in the face and fell over. And so maybe that is, Ian's just like, I am going to try and win this on the margins. And if you can't, you can't. But like, I would like to see him add more dynamism to his game. He gets real, real interesting if he does. Yeah. And you know what? Early on his UFC career, he was fighting like that.

And they got jaid by Song Kanan. That's honestly genuinely true. It is because normally you see like a fighter who was a little more offensive and received. a little bit. It's because they lost, right? And like, that's the thing I'm interested to see with Dupuria is when he comes back. Is he different because now he knows he can get. But it sort of was like, oh, Ian got clocked one time. I was like, I'm never going to get clocked again. And he's never been clocked again, right? Like, for the most part, I know the people have had some success against him. But like, at some point, you got to put more of your training points into hurting the

dude than to make it nullifying him. Yeah, we haven't really seen it since the D-Rod win. and, you know, one point and fifth round of the Shafka fight, he tried to get a finish. But again, that was more, I think that was more just Shafkat, just done. Guy was basically fighting with a torn ACL the whole time, which is absolutely insane.

But yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with Dana there either. Let's do a couple of chats and we'll get out of here. Armana is Islam, surpass Habib is the greatest fighter out of a Dumanop's legendary camp. Also, Islam now at the table for the go conversation with the 17th win.

We kind of touched on the second question. Is Islam the valedictorian of the school of Abdulmanab? Yes, no, it's very weird. Yes, like he's accomplished more than Habibaz. I don't think that's a hard argument to make. It is a weird thing. He's definitely not a greater lightweight than Habib is. Like, had he stuck around and added more title defenses?

Yeah, if he had put six down. he's a greater all-time lightweight than Habib. He had one more title defense and none of them basically are as good as Habib's lightweight title defenses. So like Habib's the goat lightweight, but Islam also had this other phase of his career now that he has accomplished more.

But also at the same time, if you're like, I just assume, I could be wrong, but if you are a young Dagestani man who just moves to Mahatjala and starts training at, you know, know, Eagle MMA. Habib is the guy and Islam is also the guy, but it's 1A is Habib.

And it's, he, Habib was the tip of the spear. He had such a cult of personality and was so over in a way that Islam's never done. Islam has accomplished more. But I don't know if anyone in that gym would be like, yeah, Islam's the guy. They would be like, Islam and Habib are the guy. But the important thing for all Islam conversations To what Dana White said His crew's not over

He keeps doing this and we're not talking about this shit If he gets to 20 wins We're not talking about any of this shit It is we've settled it If he beats protest Morales What do we have to debate here? Yeah So if he does, we'll see

As things stand right now I would say sort of He needs both He needs both of those wins To be at the head of the table he needs both those wins. Yeah. If he gets to 20 with both of those wins,

it's going to be really tough to do. If he puts both of those, he is absolutely in the conversation at the head of the table. I'm not certain I'd put him there. If he gets both of those, he's 100% in the pantheon of now seven. And anyone who wants to call him the goat, I will not argue that point.

It is hard to, these are things that are difficult. You are picking, these are personal, choices and subjective opinions. It is hard to say how, if he adds both of those, is that run of, what would that be, nine championship fights across two-way classes? Is that better than what John Jones put down?

What Demetrius Johnson, what George St. Pierre put down. It could be. Definitely could be. We'll see. But if he adds one more, he might be in the room now. If he adds one more, because he's got valid title defenses in the, two best weight class in the sport. And nobody else can say that.

Not another person who I would say it. So maybe he's in the room with six and that room is seven now. I'll have to think about it and get back to you on my feelings of it. But like if he adds one more, he's definitely, he's absolutely in the room. Yeah. If it's one, he's in the room, two, he's, he's wearing, uh, he's wearing an office patch in the motor center of the club. Yeah, yeah.

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See terms. Picture it. Summer. You and your girls at your favorite patio bar. The sun's out. The breeze is perfect, and you're looking stunning in that new sun dress. And what are we drinking? A Kampari Spritz. It's just Kempari, Prisko, and Soda Water. Bold, iconic, and perfectly bitter, just like you. Check out official cocktail recipes at Kampari.compari Sprits. Stay Bitter. Kampari liqueur, 24% alcohol by volume 48 proof. York, New York. Please enjoy responsibly. The lightweight run is just so strange. And again, he's the weirdest greatest fighter. Yeah.

He's the weirdest great fighter maybe I've ever seen. It's not his fault, but you can always nitpick. And basically when you're talking about the greatest, when we're in that conversation, it is always nitpicking. It is, well, John Jones fought a lot of middle weights. And well, Demetri's Johnson bought flyweight,

and that way class sucks. And George St. Pierre lost. Like, you're, you are finding the smallest. things to pick in other arguments. It is not hard to pick problems in Islam's. Like it's very easy to be like, well, of his five lightweight title fights, four of, I guess all five of them came against guys who formerly competed at featherweight.

One of them was an active featherweight that he got two wins over. Like it's, these are, and then not his fault, but you can, you can, you can really needle his, his fights a little more than other. people and that makes it weird it's not as fall just is he doesn't have it i don't think it any outside of the olivera win i don't think he has any top five wins at lightweight ever because i don't think porre was top five i'd say pori maybe was but he would have because poor he had just come off beating bsd so he might still but i don't think bsd was a top five fighter no he wasn't but pori was defending back and pori had one prior like loss and one yeah maybe

or he might still have been a top five yeah again that's not his fault was not and the volks we're not because it was the number one pounded front fighter in one of them. But he was booked against Daryush, fought Tiago Moises. That's not his fault. And he's booked against Darius again, but Bobby Green. I think he was booked against Darius again and fought Dan Hooker, like on short notice. Like, again, it's just weird. It's not his fault.

It's supposed to fight Arm and Saurukin, fight Tanata Moikano and gets like the best possible stylistic matchup for him. Super weird run. But he's, but he goes out there and just annihilates these people. like they're not close fights he does what he needs to do it's not Jack Delam Adelaide

he did he did mostly slaughter all the people he should have cooked now that he's moved up it's gotten harder and I'm just to be a shit heel for just a moment I'll have to be a shit heel let's go I'm not noticing a lot of people

talking about oh he's dared to be great and he beat that bigger man a lot of people were like actually Volkanovsky should remain the number one pound-for-pound fighter because he was giving up so much size. Islam was in there.

I'm not seeing a lot of y'all being like, not the most exciting win, but Ian Gary was much bigger, so you got to credit him. Just saying. Yeah. Just saying. Let's see if there's any other notable things. Fans,

B's was, you're correct. Fans were calling Islam, or the, or sorry, Charles, the 155 goat. Those fans were very silly, but they were doing it. And then that sort of went away. That's just how it goes. he mentioned put Belmere over and then the last thing was

he certainly hopes to see Kayla Harrison and Valencian de Shepchenko defend their title soon. He said he wants to make sure Harrison is 110% healthy before she enters the cage. By the way, we have future odds for the two

options for Islam Makachaf. Care to take a guess. Islam minus 350 over protest 1 75 Morales. So I think if you average them out, you probably nailed it. Machiaf minus 250 against Carlos Pratchez. That is all?

I'm very surprised by that. Is a minus 210 against Michael Morales. Wow. The Morales one seems a little wider than I thought it would be. I mean, yeah, I thought he'd be less than a two to one against Morales, who's the biggest person alive. Um, process is more surprising to me. Cause like, you know, they'll just favor the guy who's the champion and the best

fan of a fight in the world. But like, practice, we just saw like, we just saw him start with take down the fence. Yes, he's more dynamic on the feet. But like, I, I think I will watch protest. I'd be excited to watch it. Look how much bigger Michael Morales. Michael Marles is a giant image out of America. Michael Morales is an enormous human being.

Like, he's, holy shit. He's just rumble. Like, he's just rumble again. Like, he's not going to do this for it. He's going to be two of five. soon. Yeah. So I'm interested.

Joe asked him two questions and said, okay, bye. Well, Pratchez Morales are on screen for no reason. Why are we not trying to promote fights anymore? What did you say? Joe, Joe Rogan asks him on two questions. Because he doesn't know what fights happening.

I mean, I guess he could have, but like. What else is I'm going to say? Yeah. Like, if they had a number, if they had a guy, if they'd already decided he was just kidding, I bet they would have. But hey, which of these two? wrap the shit up.

Which of these two dudes do you want to fight? It's like, just pick one or make them fight each other. Yeah. And Ali is going to try to make the Gagey fight, and I will flip a, I will lose. I'll be really unhappy if that happens.

Or, I mean, I guess there's been won't get a title fight. Now they lost DDP. But I was like, we got to not do these dumb fights. Yeah. Critical Cameron. I think Ian just unknowingly set up

Volk versus Justin after Alexander Maliwops Moves are. I think you might want to, pump the brakes a little bit there. I think Mozart is very good chance on October 20. I do think that I have not considered

that they might give Volk one last lightweight crack and it's not impossible that they give Volk I'd not consider that at all. I would hate that but it's I mean

if he gets it over like Arm and Sarukin I will I guess that's it. If everybody else gets their day in court and then he gets one, okay because legend of the sport done a lot of things one of the greatest fighters of all time but he got two cracks at it granted it came against the guy he probably was never going to beat in his arm but to give him another one at this stage would be pretty tough when there are lightweights that deserve it so but it could happen uh morning wombat just for my piece of mind

is um still would have won under pride rules right it's actually a really good question I mean Probably like slightly Maybe not I think it's likely he does Just because like If we're talking pride rules I think he won the he won't yet he

You're right he definitely wins Because he won the last round pretty clearly And people misconstrue how pride actually I was there I watched pride The idea is that you judge the fight as a whole That's not what really happened Like you want to believe that But mostly it's like what

What was going on? at the end of the fight. It's like, because that's how people are like, oh, well, he was winning at the end. So you just overly wait the things happening at the end versus thing. He was on the back and punching Ian in the head.

And he had the knockdown early. He still wins pride rules. But it's undeniable that like he looks worse than Ian. His face is more red than Ian's. But that's not indicative of fights. It's just not. Nick,

pay-per-view for us Canadians is tough with a Paramount style silence and deadpan camera when you guys get commercials and still 70 bucks. Damn, that is tough. That sucks, man. I did not know that. So that's how it was when you would watch, like during the ESPN deal, if you watch the fights on Hulu early on. That's how it was if you watched them on Hulu. If you had like the combo package, you would get just.

And when they would go to commercials, you'd just get silence with just the octagon. And that's it. I vaguely remember that. Yeah, basically would you get the backstage, what you're covering covering the event. So, um, for Justin's gotten seven title shots. Justin didn't get seven title shots. Justin got four if Justin. Also Justin won two interim belts and then won his last title fight.

Yeah. Justin should get 17 title shots. I agree. They gave them a lot, but like he also won a lot of important fights. Yeah. Um, Dave Sandin, you are correct. GSB's face looked like Hamburger in several fights toward the end of his career, even fights he dominated. Yeah.

I mean, it would be silly to say that Islam did not suffer damage in this fight. He absolutely did. I don't think there's a outside of you just hating Islam. There's not really a credible way to argue he lost. You don't have to love it. I did not have the most fun. He won. A couple more.

Morning, wombat. Say instead of a 10-9 must, judges use the rounds as a proxy to predict how a street fight would go. Would the outcome change? Could Islam do more damage once in control? I don't know how a proxy of a street fight would make a difference because it's like broadly what's going on here. But even if that was a street fight,

like if those are like short clips on Twitter, the is on moments are still better. So we're clear if that's a street fight, Ian got hip tossed on his fucking spine on the concrete after he got jacked in the head. I don't know if you guys have ever been thrown on the concrete. I have. It sucks.

These aren't street fights. Like, it's just, no. As far as, what was this? Let me look at the second part of that. Could Islam do more damage once in control? I mean, theoretically, he could have done more damage. Certainly in the second round when he was in that high, close to a scarf hold position

I felt like he really wasn't opening up any offense there he was holding a control spot we saw him the fifth round at the he spent much of the fifth round in that backpack jockeying holding position and then the last minute he just started punching from the back because he's like I've got this coasted and now he did he could have opened up more

but I mean part of what makes Ian Gary very good and special is he did not allow Islam to get a lot of control positions. He was constantly fighting he was fighting the first battle instead of having to fight the third or fourth battle. Gillian Robertson was

losing the first and second battle and then having to fight from the bad spots. Ian was holding a lot of stalemates early in the war and that's like the reward is he didn't get the damage because he was not giving up control. Yeah.

What's next for Amosoff? Have you noticed Pico's gotten two top five matchups so far, yet Amosov is getting slow roll. I think his next fight is going to be pretty big. My guess, I think Amosov's next fight is going to be one of the champs. Leon, Jack, Ballal, probably not Camar. I don't think. I just don't think Camar would do it, but he takes one of those.

He gets a big shot up here. Yeah. I think we're good here. morning we should have different terrains like tennis concrete grass basketball courts

honestly it would be really fun to have different terrains but there were a hundred like you would never want to fight as the Machichev like on a concrete terrain

that would just be because also like outside of the hip toss that would have probably broken Ian's spine that high crotch where he just lifted in three

through Ian and Ian like caught himself a little bit but he just got his head dumped on concrete like he would have all were sucked so it would be really fun to do different terrains but obviously that's not remotely practical yeah ball pit well it would be great Dave that's music that's the music that's the music I don't have the music that's it I hear no music you don't hear it I hear it everybody else hears but um you got to go man what's going on post white press are still going on with some of the media there will probably be in there another two hours

because we're never going to get out of here We got to help out the crew Jets get a little bit of a journey They're replaying Dana's post-fight presser So let's listen in It's already done it over with We already gave you all the nuggets from it We gave you all the 3.31 was announced

All the big fights at 330 I mean all the fights at 331 are announced Yeah 333, got all the big ones Oh Nothing for 332 yet. 331 was the so we'll figure that out. AK and I back tomorrow

for live edition of On to the next one. We'll match make, have some fun. And then next week's going to be another crazy one. UFC's in Sacramento. I'll be in Ohio next week for R.A.F. Plus swing rounds is back.

We're recording the new swing rounds on Thursday. We're back, Mama. I think you guys are going to dig it. Someone you probably wouldn't expect. But we're done. We're out of here. Have a great night, everybody. Stick with us, NMAFaOcom. It's great website. Good night.

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