MMA Fighting - UFC Charlotte Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Jailton Almeida's Statement, Ian Machado Garry's Arrival

Episode Date: May 14, 2023

Jailton Almeida made it looks incredibly easy in his first UFC main event as he submitted Jairzinho Rozenstruik in the first round at UFC Charlotte. How close is the surging Almeida to a UFC heavyweight championship opportunity? MMA Fighting's Mike Heck, Alexander K. Lee, and Jed Meshew react to Almeida's sensational performance in the main event, discuss where he goes from here, and what — if anything — did we learn about Almeida. Additionally, they discuss Johnny Walker's decision win over Anthony Smith in the co-main event and how much of an impact the performance has on the division, Ian Machado Garry's fantastic first-round finish of Daniel Rodriguez, the controversy surrounding the preliminary fights between Ji Yeon Kim and Mandy Bohm, along with Douglas Silva de Andrade vs. Cody Stamann, and more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow Alexander K. Lee: @AlexanderKLee Follow Jed Meshew: @JedKMeshew Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network. The victory horns are sounding for Jailton Almeida. Gets a takedown in about 30 seconds of the main event of UFC Charlotte, worked his way into full, mount and then at the snap of a finger took the back rear naked choke easy peasy like butter jailton almeda wins another fight it's a first round submission because the first fighter to ever submit jars in your rosin strike and those who may have been on the fence on whether or not they should jump on the jeltz and

i'll made a hype train i would say it's all aboard right now if you welcome you to the ufc charlotte post fight show here on m mayfinding dot com i am mike Jack being joined by Mr. No Gray area, Jed Mishu. I think Jed's probably going to have some things to say, some takes as he typically does. I got takes tonight, Mike. I got takes. And I got takes. If you're just now getting on the Jailton out, made a hype train, what are you?

This is the win. This is the one. But we'll get into that. Yes. And maybe the new badass stash in MMA? I had to take multiple peaks at my best. friend because I did not notice this. The mustache wearing,

Prince of positivity, Alexander K. Lee, pull out the mustache comb. Let's see, twirl it around. Look at that bad boy. Listen, I want to apologize to America. There it is. Don't forget this.

Look at that. A little bit of this. A little bit here, a little bit of that there. Listen, I forgot I had to be on camera today. I don't have to shave very often, so it's normally not even something I think about. So I apologize to America.

You are not meant to see me like this. I will get it together. I swear. No, someone in the comments said, keep it going. This is it. This is it. It is not.

This is it. Trust me. You're not going to find this type of gold on the ESPN Plus post- Oh, boy, no. You have come to the right place. You have come to the right place. A lot has happened today. I don't even want to talk about the misfits boxing stuff because that'll make me cry

because our great salt poppy has lost a fight, but we're not here to talk about that. We're going to talk about a man who didn't lose a fight. He's going to be better. He's going to be better. You win or you learn. Look at old Johnny Walker out there, just learning a lot. And that's all poppy can be one of those guys too. Well, we'll talk about Johnny Walker tomorrow.

And let's talk about Jailton Almeida, okay, because look, we, no, no website on the planet has hyped up Jailton Almeida more than MMA fighting.com. He's been our heavyweight and light heavyweight sort of golden darling, been shoving his name down people's throats for months and months and months. And he gets this main event spot at UFC Charlotte dispatches, Jarzini Rosenstrike in the first round was effortless. I mean, he missed one takedown attempt, but got it on the second, and then that was it. It was just a matter of time before he got to mount and then easily tapped him out. I mean, what can you say about the man, okay? What could you say about Jailton Almeida? I believe that's how John Enoch pronounced it, Jailton Almeida, but to us might be the next heavyweight champion of the world.

I just have a poll, Mike. I need to hear the voice of the people. Literally, as you asked me the question, I threw this up. Where do you rank Charlton Almeida at heavyweight after tonight? And the options are number one contender. Really, it should just be two options. No, no, three options. Number one contender, top five or top ten.

I put other as well, but I'd be shocked if anyone didn't rank him in the top ten at this point. He was already, by the way, in the NBA fighting global rankings number nine. He was actually higher than Jarzino. I think in the official, the UFC rankings, I believe it was, I'm pretty sure it was flipped. But we had Jelten Alameda at nine. We have Rosenstreet at 13. So I don't know how much else change. We should let people know that we did kind of have,

we've had quite a bit of discussion before the show started. Normally when we're doing RMA fighting rankings, we don't like to influence each other, but obviously it's a live debate. You know, again, we're just, we're doing a recap. So we're all kind of thinking how high can he go? I haven't really settled on where he's going to land yet, but listen, we've been saying it.

He looks like a guy who could be champion. And the competition wasn't there. I get it. The first four guys he beat, whatever, you know, with respect to the glorious Parker Porter. And of course, the Pleasure Man, Antauntur Kali, you know, great, fantastic fighters, not really ranked, you know, maybe not super notable names. Jarzino has been a knockout threat, ranked guy, takes him out so easily.

I mean, in a way that people expected, but still, so easily. His resume probably needs more work, but the optics of his performances are just unbelievable. I say this all the time when we talk about Alameda fights. He captures the imagination. He captures the imagination. Could he beat John Jones? I don't know. Probably not. Probably not.

Jones would be three to one, four to one favorite, I would think. But, man, I think people are wondering how would like to see that fight now. They'd like to see what happened if that fight went to the ground. That's where I am with it anyway. I'm dazzled, Mike, by the Jalton-Lameda story so far. Jed, AK is using the word dazzled. What words you use to describe what you saw today this afternoon? It's nice to say this afternoon.

And just this whole run to get to where he's at right now. Main event, Jailton, gets it done in quick fashion. Had no name to call out. But you know what? He didn't need one because he's just that dude right now. He called out Taitoivasa. He did? When?

In the post-fight speech, he said, I'd like to fight another, through the translator, he said, I'd like to fight another, you know, dude who can not. knock, but can supposedly knock me out and tie to, he may not have specifically called that Tai Tuivasa, but the name Tai Tuvaasa was said. I couldn't quite, I couldn't quite tell whether it was a specific, I want Tai Tuvava or it was a more general because of the tenor of the rest of the conversation. You know, they said that Giarsini Rosa strike can knock me out on one another dude like that, like Tai Tuvaa but the name Tai Tuivasa was definitely mentioned in that post-fight speech.

Fair enough. Is that the fight though? Because I don't think it's, the fight. I think it's a fine fight. I mean, I think I know where you're going to head, but, you know, you all will just have to listen on to the next one to get Mike's take on this, I suspect. But I think it's fine because Ty's like, he's probably top five in the UFC's heavyweight rankings right now. And they're not going to immediately give him a title shot off of this one.

They're going to make him win one more. But a lot of the other people are busy. I think a tied to Evasa fight is fine from a ranking standpoint. It's the same issue that this fight. had. And so you asked me how I would describe it. And I'll say impressive because there's no other word I think that fits here for what Jailton Omita did. Tonight, I kind of don't care about it. We were talking about it on pre-production or whatever. It's like, that was very expected. And it's a hard thing to levy on a guy, right, to go out and do what's expected when the expectation is so high. And he continues doing it. So you got to

give him credit for that, right? But it's also not one where I'm like, I didn't learn anything new. and the tie two of ossify would be the same. I won't learn anything new as I'm pretty sure he'll just do the exact same things. But at some point, it doesn't matter if I learn new things if he continues to do the same stuff versus an increasing level of opposition, even if the skill sets remain the same or whatever. It's like Hamzot. It's like, frankly, the initial run of Francis and Gonot, where he just kept obliterating everybody the first time you hit him.

At some point, you are where your resume says you are. And who Jailton's recipe says he is is one of the best guys in this division, if not, you know, the best guy in two divisions. We could talk about his late heavyweight potential moving forward. So super impressive, the stat. It's the big stat. It's the stat that was all about Hamzot during his run. Jailton has fought five times in the U.S. Two significant strikes have been landed against him.

I forget who tweeted it, so I apologize, but whoever did good work, that's a miracle. that it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if he's fighting the four of us. It is a miracle to fight other people in a cage professionally. And among five of them, you get hit twice. Three people literally don't hit you at all is a friggin miracle. So you can't do anything but take away like, wow, that is an incredibly impressive feat. I don't know if he's a future champion, but he got a lot of hallmarks of a dude who could hold the belt in the near future.

future. Yes, two significant strikes, nine total strikes, nine over five fights, nine total strikes. And those are, those include strikes like off of your back when you're just landing stuff. He's been hit nine times. Jarzini Rosenstrike hit him zero times. So in his last four fights, Paca Porter, the pleasure man, Shameel Bdurahimov and Jarzina Rosenstrike, he's been hit with two total strikes in his last four fights. That's insanity. And it's just incredible numbers, incredible numbers. It's just five. Danilo Marquez didn't hit him either.

And DeL Marcos had no strikes. Nazarutinoff hit him seven times. So that accumulates. Who knew that that would be the best of the bunch? I think we got to give him a contract, right? This man put seven hands on Chilton Almeida. Top 10 heavyweights aren't doing that. Get Nasserdin Nassadine off a contract.

That's my new corner. This man deserves his chance. You know, it's funny that we talked about a lot on the preview show. And Jed, you're kind of saying this. Like, it's unfortunate. We just can't learn more about Jelton because he's so good at doing the damn thing. And the guys he's fought so far are poor at stopping him. I shouldn't even say they're poor.

He's so good. I don't even want to say like it's just because he's facing guys necessarily who have bad things. Some of them were, in fact, poor at stopping them. Sure, sure, sure. And there's a reasonable argument that Jarzino is also poor stopping it. That's like not, that's like saying, oh, people couldn't get out of the way of France and God who's punches or something. And that's that they suck. Like everyone's, because now we're getting to the bad and May fan thing of like, well, everyone just sucks.

Like everyone sucks because they got, if they got dominated or. But it is heavyweight. So everyone does suck. Come on. Come on. I will not go that far. I still think highly of the, you know, the big boy division. but yeah we didn't learn anything about again striking one of my things in my predictions was like

I would love to see like if one of these takedowns gets stuff and just to see like his striking defense you know not I don't want to see him going out to getting into boxing matches hashtag keep the martial parts apart I don't want to see that but I would love to see like oh well now does he deal with a guy who can put his lights out with one shot who has like really good kickboxing like who could really take him out we did not see any they could see any of that and that's again that's fine that's not almeda if you're almeda you're not to mess around because listen we criticized curtis blades for the same thing right we were we were crappy on curtis blades for trying to show off his boxing against uh against sergey pavlovich and all

we did was mock him so i'm not going to you know criticize almeda again for doing the damn thing he does so well if other people can't stop it that's great i just i my only thing is i think for any of us to place him like way way way way higher uh without you know just beating one of the names ahead of him is like we'd like to see a cardio as well i i don't know if this guy can fight past the second round i think he has one fight that's gone to a decision in his entire career. He lost it. I confess I have not watched this fight. So if this fight between him and Bruno Assis from January 2018 is out there, I may have to watch that.

I just want to know what it looks like to see him go 15 minutes. But yeah, we don't know. We don't know. And it does, I know it's heavy weight. Most these fights end and finishes anyway. So that might be one of the reasons he moved up. He's well suited for it. But I don't know.

Eventually he's got out to face Acetyl gone. What if he faces Acela gone? Well, I guess his take down defense wasn't super great either. But I guess you know what? I guess we're not, you know, I made us not John Jones, right? Or is he? But yeah, we didn't learn a lot. But for me, just seeing him take out a top, like a top ranks, you know, top 10 guy,

top 10 to the UFC anyway, top in our rankings, means a lot. It means a lot. So I feel like I have to move him up in that sense because he could have, this is a test he could have failed on paper, a very favorable matchup. He was, I think, minus 500. Probably could have been even higher. But yeah, I think there's some value in at least in winning fights that you're expected to against quality competition. Yeah.

And when you have fights like this, this is really not much you can really add to it. So I guess we'll do this because AK now will do our matchmaking. We're actually recording you later today. But Jed, by this time next year, will Jelton Almeida have already fought for the belt or at least have his title fight booked by this time next year in the heavyweight division? He won't have fought for the belt. I will say he will have an interim title fight booked. I don't think it'll be full. I have been stalwartly on the corner that John Jones is not going to actually retire after he beats Stipe.

I just think he'll set aside, maybe take some time and decide if he wants to fight. And I suspect that what's going to end up happening is Jailson's going to fight somebody. Maybe it is Taitoivasa, you know, maybe that's the fight he gets, you know, sometime in the fall. And then by the end of this year, we're looking at Jailton versus Sergei Pavlovich for the interim heavyweight title. And then if John Jones decides he wants to keep fighting, he'll fight the winner of that to unify the belt or if he just decides to hang it up, then it will be, you know,

the winner of that fight will be elevated. So I'll say it will be booked, an interim title fight will be booked by the end of the year for Jailton. AK, by this time next year, where are we out with Jailton and his title aspirated? generations. By this time next year, he is the he's he is the heavyweight champion. He's won, he's won a vacant title. He's won a vacant title. I'm going to go say, I do agree that you can't really take John Jones at his, I mean, I won't say word. He didn't really say he's going to do it, but at his suggestion that it's steep and then he's out. But I mean, that would make a lot of sense for him. That would make a lot of sense for him. So I'm going to say, hopefully not an interim situation, because that is likely what's going to happen if he does do the beat steepe. and then just goes to dip and chill out for six, seven, eight months, or wherever he's going to go after that fight while he waits for a, you know, a refreshing opponent or to see if the UFC can bring back, you know,

Francis and Ganu, which I don't know, we'll find out what's next for Francis, apparently on Monday, Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday. May 16th? Tuesday. So that's exciting. I assume it's not a return to the UFC and we won't hear about that for some time. But he will have some sort of title around his waist. He will have a teller on his waist, whether it's vacant,

whether it's interim, I don't think there's anyone in the world who can beat him besides John Jones. I'm that, like, at heavyweight anyway, at heavyweight. I am that blown away by what I've seen from Ammaida so far. He's freakishly strong. Jed, we talk all the time about athleticism. And like, to be a plus athlete at heavyweight is always a bonus. And then to be like insanely strong when you're, you know, jujitsu is your specialty. I said in our slide, I haven't seen someone passed so confidently and so grateful.

and so aggressively, and so inevitably since, like, Damien Maya, I think Damien Maya was the last guy, like, he gets people down. It's like, oh, he's just, you're, you're cooked. And so this guy's making, I don't know that he's strong. I mean, he might be strong. Yeah, I mean, he might be strong. I think he is. None of his game has looked to me like, oh, he's oppressively strong.

It's just he's really good at understanding position and how to, and his control goals. I think it's both, though. I think that's what scares me. I'm not sure that it's both. think it's this because I I think it light heavyweight he would be oppressively strong. I don't think that nothing of what I've seen has been like they can't match his physicality in there. He's he's quicker.

He's got good athleticism. It's positional dominance. It's understanding what he is doing and where he's going and being being ahead. I mean, credit to Giorzini Rosenstruck, he largely did a pretty good job of defense early on, particularly considering how much he time he had to survive on the bottom. But after the, I mean, Almeida said it in his post fight. It was like, you know, he sort of initially was able to kind of fin me off and fight the hand grips and keep half guard.

But then I just sort of shifted my approach. And you saw it when he moved, when he stopped trying to move a pass directly into Mount and instead got, got Rosenstrike up against the cage and did a pass to opposite half, as soon as he did that, the fight was over. Casey and I talked about it off the lines. As soon as he did that, then Rosenstrip panicked. And none of that was like a power play from him. It was just positional play.

Like I don't, I am not at all. And I could be wrong. We haven't seen enough of it. But nothing that I've seen has been like, oh, he's going to go in there and manhandle Curtis Blades or whatever. He may beat them dominantly, but it won't just be like, bro, I got Habib strength or whatever. I was waiting for you to drop the name. I said, like heavyweight, like heavyweight, that could be a whole different story.

Because like, just looking at that man, if he gets in and over under grip against like Anthony Smith, I think Anthony Smith's going for a ride. I just don't think that the same level of power is kind of commensurate at heavyweight. I was waiting. I was waiting for that. Khabib mentioned because he's always your example of like a guy who is, I mean, in addition to being obviously, you know, an amazing wrestler. Dumb athlete and stupidly strong. An incredible athlete and maybe the strongest guy at 155 pounds we've ever seen.

But I do think Almeda, I think he might be there. You're right, you're right. It would make more sense to say that at light heavyweight. But I think even among heavy weights, I think he's one of the stronger guys. The technique is unquestionable. But I think having the technique in addition to his, he is just, I think he's so strong. And again, I think that goes a long way. But we will see, like we said, that is one of the, like we said, one of the things

about tonight was like, Rosenstrike is a quality opponent, but just not a guy who helped us answer a lot of questions about what Alameda's ceiling is. Like if you were super hype on Almeda before this fight, you're super hype still. If you thought he's like, still has more work to do before this fight,

you probably still think he has more work to do. That's where my thinking is. Right now, people in the poll, 48% saying he's top five, 33% top 10. Correct. Only 18% saying number one contenders. like which is i guess makes sense with the way pavlovitch has been and um so only 18 percent people aren't

quite you can't give um you couldn't give almeda a title fight over pavlovich at this point in time even if there's a reasonable argument that almeda would beat pavlovich in a fight like pavlovich is number one contender with the bullet so but yeah like those two dudes are going to fight at some point and we'll get to see it out yeah at worst jiltz and almeida is fighting tithu vasa or cyril gone next and at best he's fighting Sergei Pavlovich for some sort of interim or vacant title. One of those three things is going to happen. He ain't going to

fight Curtis Blades next. There's no way that's happening. It's so smart of him. It's so smart of him. It's either Ty two of Vaso. One dude in this weight class is a problem for him potentially. Yeah. Tai Tuvazzo, he's probably a minus 600 favorite in that fight.

Yeah. Listen, knowing the way Curtis fights. For you guys know Curtis though, knowing the way Curtis fights So if I'd be like, listen, I want to show my striking against Paolovic. I got to show my jiu-jitsu off my back again. He'll probably pull guard on Almeida and see. We don't know. We don't know.

That's the thing. As the thing, okay, when you were like, well, we haven't learned anything. And it's very true. The problem is it doesn't matter because they're like three people who are good at fighting this weight class. So like, like look at the UFC's heavyweight rankings right now. Outside of how good Jailton Almeida has looked, like outside of the, he has. hasn't been hit at all.

If you just look, took the game that you will know he has, he is beating everyone convincingly until maybe Tom Aspinall is an interesting fight. Curtis Blaze is probably a tough one. Steepa could theoretically be interesting, but Steepa will never fight him. And then Sergei. And I guess Cyril Gahn, but I think I know how that fight goes, given Cyril Gahn's ability to stop takedown. So, like, there's just nobody here for him.

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Ian Machado, Gary, who I'm sure we're going to talk about, is number two. Carlos Ulberg, number three. And Matt Brown is number four. There are four performance bonus. I also saw, I think Damon Martin, our wonderful colleague posted that Dana White said he's going to give Brian Battle 50K even though he missed weight too. So kind of five performance bonuses. And poor and Alex Marona isn't getting a bonus? What the hell is this all?

I don't, I'm, I'm not in charge of the UFC guys. Alex makes weight. Alex Marona makes weight like a professional gets the, the gilly chokes. of a guy against Tim Means gets a big finish and no bonus for him but Brian Battle gets a bonus get out of here I'm I'm willing to say Brian Battle couldn't get the bonus because that was cool like he missed weight it's bad I don't do that that's cool this is just a reminder the post fight bonus system is stupid it's either either one we always say whatever pay the fighters more that's the whole thing just reward every finish just reward every finish with 50 grand then you have the money for just do it

But otherwise you're doing this arbitrary guy who misses weight gets it and guy who makes weight doesn't get it. And he's the only guy who got a finish and doesn't get one. Like that's so what? How is that? That's not. Oh, I did a tie narrowed as boa, I guess. That's fine.

But and then now, and then she would get left down. He's the only guy who didn't get one. She should get one. She's the only guy who didn't get one. This is silly. Just give them all 50 Gs then. If you're going to give Brian Battle of one, unless I like Brian Battle. But you must wait by two pounds.

I mean, you just wait by one pound. I don't like. There has to be some penalty. He also didn't apologize for missing weight in the post-fight speech, which is one of my biggest pet peeves. If you miss weight, the first thing you should say is after you thank Jesus for helping you punch someone in the face, the next thing you should do is say, I'm sorry, I missed weight. Okay. Everyone knows Jesus doesn't help you make weight, but he does help you cause harm to other people. That's what Jesus is all about.

It's very invested in it. Well, there is a man who did not get a bonus on the main card. His name is Johnny Walker. He defeated Anthony Smith. Pretty clear-cut win. I don't think anybody at the final home was like, oh, yeah, Anthony Smith won that fight. But I saw some 29-28s.

I scored a 29-28 for Johnny Walker. If you scored 3027, I ain't arguing with you. That's a fine scorecard as well. But Johnny Walker clearly wins this fight. So, Jed, let me ask you, on our Slack channel, this was kind of a contentious fight in the way some people viewed it. I think you and I are kind of on the same page

on how this thing played out. on how this all playing up. It was more contentious until the third round. Heading into the third round is when there was dialogue going on. Then the third round sort of took a lot of that away, I feel like. So if you were, this is an intriguing matchup. The light heavyweight division is kind of a mess right now. We have Jamal Hill is the champion.

We don't know when year he's coming back. We don't know who Jamal Hill is going to fight next. We felt like this fight may not determine the next challenger for the title, but at least someone's going to take a very, big step in that direction. How do you grade Johnny Walker's performance against Anthony Smith today? B, maybe C plus, somewhere between C plus and B. So maybe B minus is where we're supposed to settle.

Look, like, he won, and that's always the most important thing. Not only did he win, he won very cleanly. Like there's not an argument he lost it and he was never really in danger of of anything in that fight. And those are all very important things. I left that fight thinking nobody, whoever the light heavyweight champion will be when all the dust settles is not losing sleep about Johnny Walker, which is maybe this feels bad because Johnny Walker should be someone who you can see winning a fight because that. That's how he came into the UFC. When he is doing Johnny Walker things, he is dynamic and exciting and incredibly dangerous. And he's maybe in the middle of a transition period to try and be a little bit more constructive with that sort of dynamism and not totally balls to the wall, nutcase about it.

And then that's how he also loses fights. And it puts him in a really weird space where I will be very frank. I think Anthony Smith looked real bad tonight. Some of that, obviously, is Johnny Walker making him look bad. I also thought that he just looked bad. And coming off a long injury, they went to at length to explain the personal issues he's been struggling with. Frankly, the fact that he's been in the game for a long time, he's got like 60 fights or something insane. Like, I think Anthony Smith is probably not the best version of him.

And so I would have liked to see a little bit more from Johnny Walker, frankly. He had Smith hurt severely twice in that first. round and couldn't really back it up. He almost finished him in the third with the leg kicks and sort of Smith. DC said it and I thought DC was just awful on commentary tonight, but I did agree with him at the end where he was like, Johnny Walker just needs to land one thing and Smith's ready to go. And Walker kind of didn't really do that.

So I think Casey is like big on this being a developmental and a good fight for Johnny Walker. And I can see the argument for it. I'm not sure that I see it that way. time will end up telling. But for me, good performance, not one that makes me think this dude's ever winning a title. M.K., your thoughts on this? What would you greatest performance?

Was this more of a, wow, Johnny Walker has leveled up to a whole new place, or is this more about maybe Anthony Smith just isn't that guy anymore? I would love to share my thoughts on this fight, but he did invoke the name of producer Casey, who I know felt very strongly in a positive way about this fight. So let me quickly say that I'm for it. I'd give maybe a slightly higher grade. I might go like B plus.

Again, you could go a little further. I understand if you wanted to reserve a higher grade for, you know, if he'd managed to finish the fight. But, you know, it was a nice performance. I said in my predictions, I do feel like he's kind of jelling with the whole SBG thing. I think there was like a moment of learning for both sides. Again, this is purely speculation.

I don't know. He's a really talented guy. He was winning fights before he was at SBG. He's winning fights now. Maybe it's just his talent shining through, and it's just a coincidence. But I'll give the move some sort of credit and say that they're kind of on the same page now because these are good wins. Anthony Smith, Paul Craig, back to back, very good. Yon Kutche-Lub is a bit of a wild card, but he took a tear of business there first round some mission.

Johnny Walker's looked really great. I don't know how close he is to a title shot now. but he was so intriguing when he first came to the UFC. People forget there was all that man. Is he on his way to challenging John Jones talk? And then he just fell flat in a couple of fights. I don't know what his ceiling is now. I don't know if this raises it back to that level

or if it never should have gone too far from that before if people were always believing in Johnny Walker. But I thought that this performance night going the distance with a one-time title challenger in Anthony Smith advanced in MMA years as he may be was a net positive. But I would love to hear

I would love to hear Casey speak on it a bit as well if he wants to if he wants to pop in. I'll pop in late. You guys talk. All right, all right. We'll wait for some questions. All right, all right. Yeah.

I'm probably in between the two of you. Probably more towards where Jed's at. Because I believe, I mean, I literally put in our Slack channel, Jamal Hill is not losing an ounce of sleep over this fight. Not just because of Johnny Walker, but Anthony Smith as well. There was not, he didn't come out of any of those rounds being like, uh-oh, I might have to fight one of these guys at some point. And we've already seen what happened when Jamal Hill fought Johnny Walker.

Jamal Hill is leveled up too. So I just don't, I think that's just a horrendous matchup for Johnny Walker. And I just feel like Anthony Smith just kind of on the same. 16th T-box right now in the golf game of his fighting career. It's not a bad place to be. You can still put it on the green and have a nice performance and, you know, get a couple of bars, but I thought he shanked it off the 18th T-bars considering he had his gloves and his hands at the post fight.

It looked like we were had a real opportunity to be done with Anthony Smith right there. So we may end up being. He walked off, but dude, that was his like 60th fight or some absurd number. do this a long time. He put out some sort of statement on Instagram, I believe, right? Just saying like he's going to do some thing. Yeah, just say I'm going to do some kind of conferred, kind of addressing. I think he's well aware of what happened. Like everyone was talking about it right after. Just congrats. I would say great game plan, great composure. Okay, the caption says, I have a lot of reflecting and thinking to do thanks to everyone who is and still are sticking by me. So he didn't say he's

not retiring, but he's certainly not doing it tonight. He's going to do one more. He's going to do one more. So he's got 54 fights. Sure. So he can do a, he can finish on 55. It's a good number. He can get a home, maybe they go to Nebraska, you know, for a fight night and he can get a retirement one.

And it's not like he's, I mean, he's on the broadcasts all the time. He's, he's got other stuff going on. And he's never fighting for a title again. So he's done it all. If he, uh, if he's on the schedule for the M. May hour on Monday, uh, I'm just saying there's a, there's a chance. There's a chance we may hear of retirement. I'm just saying.

I'm just saying. Yeah, look, if there's, someone asked me, and I know this is a question on, on BTL when I wasn't there and you were hosting like, what fighter or something would you like to see like a documentary on from like the beginning to the end? Anthony Smith's career would be a damn good one. I would love to watch that to see his regional struggles getting to the UFC, getting ousted from the UFC, the regional struggles carrying on, getting back to the UFC, getting to a title fight, losing all these weird injuries and everything he's gone through along the way to get. to this point and he's still in the title picture. Like he entered tonight still in the title picture after everything this guy went through. It would just be a compelling doc or a 30 for 30 to watch. And I salute Anthony Smith, big fan of his.

And he's going to have a great career in the sport outside of the octagon. He's going to be a color commentator. He's going to be great when he finally gets that opportunity to have the headset on sitting cage size. He's going to be excellent at it. He's great on the desk. He's going to do just fine. You didn't even mention his most important.

impressive accomplishment, which is being somehow being as successful as he is, despite being the most creative fighter that has ever existed. His name is Anthony Smith, and he looks like the template on a UFC game for like random light heavy weight or whatever. And yet somehow, look at him. He's, he's been great. Good for you. Yes. Just a great guy. This is a guy who a long time ago couldn't even get Derek, like, he got big time by Derek Brunson and like never got over it. Because Derek Brunson, like, big time to him in an elevator. And like, Anthony Spitz's goal was like, fight him just so he could never let him, Derek Brunson forget that he big time.

Retirement fight. Right there. That might be a crazy idea. Yes. Okay. Or bring back Luke Rockhold. Or you can bring back Luke Rockhold and do that. Yeah, that's.

Now it works. Luke doesn't want to do bare and uncle anymore. Just come back for one more UFC fight. Nebraska, we're good. That would work out too. And for Johnny Walker, I think we kind of know where he's got. It's a great, it's a good win.

It's fine. It's not going to get him a title shot. He's not going to jump over a whole bunch of names. But he's probably going to fight Magamette Ankaaev next. And it probably isn't going to go too well for him. But we'll see what happens. That fight might be awful. That fight might be really, really bad.

I just don't know where else do you do with him. He ain't getting the title of God. I think the fight makes sense. I'm just saying we might be getting Walker Santos, too, of just a staring contest. That might be a real tough hang. Yep. Ian Machado, Gary. What a performance.

This is the most intriguing fight of the weekend. Called his shot. He did. Did an interview with the great Pizzi Carol and said, look, I'm going to kick this dude right in the face. And anything else is something, I'm paraphrased, but any, if it's, it ends in any other way. It was like a straight high kick. Yeah, right high kick.

And he did it. Right high kick. Drilled Drod. And he landed that right high kick a few different times. Finally got him and then just pounced on a massive win. He's going to be a ranked fighter come Tuesday when the new UFC rankings come in. He might be a ranked fighter in the MMA fighting global rankings during the next cycle. We shall see.

But damn, Jed, Ian Machado Gary didn't come to Charlotte to mess around at all. Gets a big fight. He was a massive favorite. And boy, did he deliver. Man called his shot and came through. Talk about that, this is an A performance, right? If Johnny Walker's a B minus, A plus. Ian Gary is a freaking A.

Yeah, right? A plus. A plus. I mean, he did everything no perfect. Called his shot, delivered on his shot. Solid post-fight speech. I know that you have some issues with it that I'm sure you'll get into an ought to know. but I largely doesn't bother me and the rest of his post-fight speech was good charming young kid not bad and easy on the eyes looks great getting off the bus can fight his ass off this guy is a star this guy is the best hope for a star in this weight class I mean I don't think he's shopcott Rachmanov as far as quality but Shafcott doesn't speak English really so that's like a limiting factor

for certainly the UFC promotional apparatus. Ian Gary is the dude at 170 that they need to be putting the muscle behind. And I think you're going to see it. I think they gave him this spot on ABC to do that, to see. And we talked about beforehand that I loved this fight. I thought it was a really good matchmaking because Diod was a clear step up for him, a winnable fight, but one that could really test his level,

see what we can expect from him. And apparently what we can expect is awesome. So let's start cooking. Let's get this man into the top 10. I don't care if it's Neil Magny or somebody else. I don't know who off the top 10, like off the top of my head, who at that range makes sense for him in the UFC. But pick a name.

Doesn't really matter. Let's just start making fun things happen with this dude. AK, what did you think? Were you surprised by this? Did it stun you? Was this expected from Ian Gary in your eyes at all? Let me just say you guys mentioned the great pizza carol. People go to your social media whenever you hear this,

He just tweeted out a head kick finish of Ian Garys from before the UFC from Cage Warriors. I believe the Rastam-Akman knockout. And you guys can see kind of a pre-he was previewing what was to come. So again, shout-up to Pizzi. I'm so impressed. I had picked Down Rodriguez to win. I had made some bold upset picks on this because I thought the odds were a little bit wild. Gary entered this one about minus 300.

I'm not sure what it settled at, but hovering around a three-to-one favorite. and I know Rodriguez is coming off a loss. I know he's a bit up there as far as age and mileage. So people saw this as a step-up fight, which it is, which it is on paper. I just didn't think it's a step up that Machado Gary was necessarily going to win in such spectacular fashion. I could have seen him winning like a convincing decision, maybe a later finish, but to like I said, call his shot to land one of his signature moves. Again, against a reputable guy. I think someone not quite in our top 15 anymore.

but right around that top 20 area, he's kind of bouncing in and out of the rankings, depending who he's fought. To pull that off was so, so awesome. And you need these finishes. We always talk about when you're building up, you're building up this, because now you're going to see this head kick

in every Machado Gary promo until the end of time. You don't have to finish everyone to become a contender, but like Jed said, when you're trying to make waves, when you're trying to be a fresh face in a division that kind of needs some new blood is pretty desperately in need of new blood. That's very marketable.

you need these finishes that you can replay over and over again. So he's knocked out Jordan Williams, Song Canaan, Dan Rodriguez. That's a great reel right there. I agree he's not Shavcott. I really would love to see that fight. I mean, I think Shavcott, you know, whatever, it would be a huge favor and run through them. But I just like the idea of some time in the future,

you now have these young contenders, maybe one of them is a champion by then. And then you have that. That's a great title fight. That team is a great title fight. And that's cool, again, given that we've had some of the same names in the top five, six, seven headlining at Walter Waite for a while. new blood is always welcome.

And Ian Machado, Gary, we forgot to mention also a great nickname the future, one of those nicknames that I hope he never changes and just becomes more and more hilarious as he gets older. So I'm all in that he was arguably, like we said, we gave him the best grade. You could argue his stock rose the most tonight as well. 100%. Oh, 100%. I can't give him an A plus. I can't give him an A either.

I'm giving him an A plus. Like it's like right in the middle of an a Because the call us The call was bad You gotta have the wherewithal To not drop a doo-do pick In on that stage And he dropped a do-do pick

He called out Neil Magny Who's already booked To fight Phil Rowe In Jacksonville on June 24th And I know there's some people who are bugging me on Twitter It's still in June All this No no no no no

If Phil Rowe beats Neil Magny Then that call out was for nothing Because nobody will want to see that fight. And Phil Roe will be the number 11th ranked welterweight in the world. And he will be above. The name was Kevin Holland. It was always Kevin Holland. And it still should be Kevin Holland. A better name anyway. That's the name. He will gain. And the arguments I kept getting from people was, well, Kevin's too much of a step up in competition. He's not ready for top 15 talent. He just knocked out a top 15 guy in the first round, a guy who was supposed to fight Kevin Holland a whole bunch of

times like the Kevin Holland fight makes all the sense in the world. I don't know who I would think in that fight. That's a damn good fight. And if he loses to Kevin Holland like does it kill him? No, it doesn't. But if he beats him, that's a huge win. That is a win over Kevin Holland is going to do way more than a win over Neil Magny in the eyes of fans.

Yeah. And I'm so sure the problem though with like yes in general and certainly for stardom probably is the problem and it seems pretty clear Gary's intention was to get into the top 10 and Kevin Holland's not ranked in the UFC's rankings so he would he will now have a rankings kind of matters like I get what you're saying I'm not saying it's wrong but like it it will matter to him that he and in general does that he is now a ranked fighter undefeated and will be putting his ranking on the line instead of taking any of the number of other dudes ahead of him who have been there for a while and he can just

move up because I think he's trying to get to a title fight in two to three fights and I don't know that Kevin Holland gets him. He's not getting those fights. He's not getting ahead of him though. No, the fight's ahead of him. He's not getting those fights, he's not getting those fights, I don't think, right? He's not getting a who's ahead of him? He's not getting a Gilbert or like a.

No, he's not going to get him. Neil Magny's 11 and he's not going to get those, but Neil Magnus is 11. He's certainly not going to get them from 15. But like, I think Vicente Lucke would have been probably a better call. follow out? Luke is booked. He is booked. Oh, I don't, I do you guys know the booking way better. So it was Magny. So that did that clearly didn't stop him. So I don't think he's aware of who is and who isn't booked. So that's not why I suspect that that is the largest part to it. But he clearly just picked a name of a dude in the rankings because he wants to know up. Because in his mind and I don't think this is unreasonable. It'd be like, all right, I beat Magny. I move. I now have a ranking. I'm move to 11. Once at 11, I can get myself because of who I am, a fight with. I don't know, somebody in the top six

where Shavkat is which you would still get yeah would still get it if you'd be Kevin Holland by the way I'm not at all sure that that's true

maybe it is okay Holland has me fight only because only because only some of these guys a hundred of by a mile

yeah that's what Mike is saying yeah and Ian Gary versus Kevin Holland Ian Gary versus Kevin Holland is a fight night main event possibly that's a co-main event

on a crowd card that's a main card fight on a pay-per-view that's probably the feat that that would be the featured bout maybe the co-main of well not the co-made event of do ufc 289 but that'd be a main card fight certainly at ufc 289 ian gary versus neal magni is not a paperview main card fight-view main card it just isn't it might be a main card fight night for it's maybe oh a main car come on mike We're about to give McKinsey during Angela Hill

for a flight night main event. Ian Gary versus any more body can be a flight night main event. Ian Gary just fought on the on the UFC fight past prelims in his fight before this at UFC 285. Sure. But now he just fought an ABC. Now he just fought on ABC in the first round,

knockout over a top 15. I don't think it. Honestly, I don't think it matters. Are trash now. When did UFC rankings matter so much? It only matters with this. this particular fight. It's so weird.

It's hearing some of the reactions. They matter in general. You don't think the voting panel. To me, I think that's dumb as shit. But they definitely matter. Colby Cummings is about to get a title fight almost exclusively because he still has a two next to his name.

Like it just they do matter. We want to believe that they don't because the panel's a joke. But it's like they are real. They're tangible. And if you give people numbers, they will treat them like they're real. If Phil Roe beats Neil Magny. And then Ian Gary fought Kevin Holland and knocked out Kevin Holland.

Ian Gary will be ranked higher than both of those guys. That panel would rank him higher than both Neil Magne and Phil Row. Unquestionably. Unquestionably, they would rank him higher. So there you go. So what's the difference? What's the difference? If he's still going to be ranked higher than both of those guys.

Well, that's if Phil Roe wins. If he doesn't, I'm not here to tell you that Neil Magne was the correct callout. But like you're acting as if Kevin Holland was the old. only one and it's a good fight and a fine one. A ton of other good fights for Ian Gary. Like he's he doesn't need another person. Wonderboy would have a better name. I don't think I don't think Wonder.

Maybe Wonderboy takes that fight. He didn't get strike a for strike a fight for me. He would think about it. We don't know what's going on Michelle Pereira, but I think Wonderboy would. Wait, are they booked? I would be a better call. Is Pereira Wonderboy booked or is that rumor? They're discussed.

It's been discussed and like people reporting it was was done for 289, but it was never done for really for 289, for multiple reasons. But so maybe they'll put those two guys back together. I just, I don't know. I didn't love the Neil Magnet call it. I'm not going to fault him too much. I'm still giving him above an A. He gets a 99 just doesn't get 100.

And that's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. We can agree to disagree. But Kevin Holland was the right name. And I think he would have got a lot more headlines, a lot more buds of had. He called out Kevin Holland.

Even if he doesn't get the fight, it's just a great. followed for that moment. I won't lie to you. I also Stone forgot that Kevin Holland Ethered Ponsonibio. The last thought in my head of Kevin Holland is him getting tuned up by Wonderboy. I was like, I don't really know why we're doing this. He just got murked. I forgot that he killed Ponzi like last month or whatever.

Too many fights these days, kids. Way too many. They've done a very good job, I feel like, with Imichato Gary so far. I know Mike, you didn't love the song. Really well done. And it was a high. I didn't love the Sondon fight. It was kind of risky.

I loved this fight. This fight was excellent. They've really booked him the right way. And if they can get him a reasonable, you know, someone now from somewhere from 11 to 15, it's going to keep chugging along. Or again, I'm not even against Kevin Holland's suggestion either. So they've done a really great job. I think Thompson's the answer.

It could be it. I'm fine with that. Thompson is the nexus of higher ranked and name. value that people recognize. The only thing, though, is he's such a weird. He's such a weird style match. Oh, he might win. And he's like, he might win.

But while at the same time, not advancing like his own stock, right? Which is. No. So I don't know. His stock can't advance ever anymore. You really can't. Stephen Thompson's stock can't move. Like, he exists now to be beaten by prospects.

Like, that's his role in the May. I don't love the wonder. I don't love the wonder. But on the road. We'll see what happens. Great night for him again. We spent more time. I mean, look, this is a successful day for Ian Gary.

We've spent more time talking about him and his future prospects than Jelton Almeida's. We're talking about it. Johnny Walker's for sure. In Carlos Oldberg and Alex Marona who got finishes. Way to go, Carlos. Way to do it for the people, Carlos. Boating for flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes. What?

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Conditions apply. Look, for the most part, look, the Johnny Walker, Anthony Smith fight was not one we're all going to rush back and rewatch again. We're just not going to. It was a good performance to Johnny Walker. The main card was fun. The prelims ended really fun with the Matt Brown knockout, but Jed prior to that Matt Brown knockout,

these prelims were tough. Like Brian Battle, great win. Very impressed with Tynero Lisboa, beating Jessica Rose Clark, who may not be long for this UFC world anymore. We had weird refereeing. We had all sorts of craziness. We had...

Horrible commentary. Horrible commentary. Some bad commentary. Some bad commentary. It was really, really bad today. Horrible. And some just tough fights to watch. This is tough, Jed.

This is tough. How would you grade the prelims, Jed? And what were your biggest takeaways from it? Because there were a lot of things we could nitpick here, not just from the commentary and the fights themselves, but just a lot of weirdness going on in the first of flight state. Was there not? C minus, like just, just passing because Matt Brown's K over Court McGee was delightful

and just warms the heart. That whole his post-fight speech was great. That was all great. And the openers were fun. Like you got Brian Battle doing the cool thing with Boa, But that little stretch, that three-fight stretch in there of Mandy Baum, Kim Jong, or Keong Jim, DSA, Cody Stamen, and then the Carl Williams-Shay Sherman fight, which I found delightful as a heavyweight over man, but not the best watch, certainly for other people not similarly invested. Really, really tough. Also, just really, really frustrating, frankly, because the commentary was really really.

really really really bad um the the bomb kerfuffle uh the referee actually mostly did very well uh one major issue that i have with it but on the whole i think he handled things appropriately and the commentary team roasting him because they don't know what the hell's going on uh it's a really bad look and was very very frustrating uh and then the referee in the next fight does a like does very bad and they just like lump him together with the previous one. Like it was just, it was tough scenes,

uh, extremely awful in just about every respect. And real dumb and shouldn't be like you would hope we're 30 years in. We are 30 years into this. And things that should be pretty simple are still not. And, and it makes it all the worse when you're hearing Dominic Cruz and, and Daniel Cormey to talk about something explosively and with confidence and just

being dead wrong about it. And that's just, it makes it really hard to watch at points. Yeah, I would love to have been seeing how John Anick was actually reacting to all of that. Because I think he's- Dude, he was jumping in with them on a couple of points. I was like, John, come on, man. So here's obviously the big takeaway, AK. The Mandy-Bow-M-G-on-Kim thing was just so weird.

And it was like, it was a disaster. I mean, that shit was a disaster. It was oddly compelling to watch it all play out because it just seemed like it took forever to come up with how it all played out. And then we get to the very next fight and we get Douglas Silva Day and Drogh versus Cody Stamen.

And as we first reported, Cody Stamon and his team, they're going to appeal this. Now, the reaction that I got when I tweeted this out was absolutely hilarious because clearly no one, I mean, Cody Stamen went on Instagram and was like,

nah, I felt like I got robbed in that fight and I probably should have won. I did see a couple of people out there who did score the fight for Cody Stamon. I was not one of them the way that the fight played out. Like if the fight stays the way it was with how it all played out, I feel like Douglas Silva de Androge won two of the rounds.

He won the first two rounds. Cody Stamon won the third. There you go. But they're not obviously not appealing the scorecards because why would you do that? That'll never work. What they are appealing is that Cody Stamen, whose bread and butter is wrestling and top position grappling when he can get it,

gets a takedown on Douglas Silva Day And Raj, is about to get top position and go to work, and he gets up kicked right in his face. So the referee correctly stops the action. So far so good for this referee. And then the fight continues, and it is not back in the same position, which 1,000 percent the fight should have started

with Douglas Silva Day and Josh's back on the mat and Cody Stamen on top of him. Now, Cody didn't say anything. And even if he did at that point, I don't think anything would have changed because the fight had already been restarted. But that is what they're appealing. What they're appealing is an actual rule

in the unified rules of MMA, which says if something like this happens, you can stop it, but it cannot sort of jeopardize the dominant position that the top fighter is in. And that's exactly what happened here. So they are going to appeal this based on that rule that is clearly defined in the unified rules of BMAA,

a lot of people are kind of giggling and laughing that this is going to get appealed because none of these appeals work. But with this situation, not the scorecards, but this specific situation, do they have any chance of overturning this to a no contest, any chance whatsoever? I mean, they have a better chance than yeah, if it was just a scorecard, right?

But I don't know. it's again we'd have to think what's the last time a result was overturned and for what reason I'm trying but besides has scaly the the no tap the no tap they thought he's like oh he's unconscious and that was that was a long time ago and it took a long time to overturn a long time to overturn that was but listen that was a clear as day situation uh and if we're saying that this situation is similar But it's, but it's, but it's not, though. It's not. It should be, but it's not.

That was like, the, the Chaskelly situation, that was the end of a fight. So there's like that, you know, you can kind of review that moment and be like, well, clearly this doesn't happen. I think with the, with the statement situation, there's a speculation like, yeah, maybe if we'd given him top position, he wouldn't have, you know, we can't say that he would have been able to keep it for the rest of the round and win it. He probably would have. He probably would have. But it's not as clear as saying, well, obviously, Bobby Moffitt didn't have. about he should that that's the only like it has to be so so so irrefutable for them to overturn anything that they can always pull the well we don't know what would have happened uh our

referee you know maybe they're a free act in an error but not to the point that we can go to the lengths of overturning a decision because there's a lot that goes into that right I mean it affects both fighters pretty significantly okay I'm with you I'm with you I think they need to be uh much more proactive when it comes to overturning these things I just think it's it's a slight like we said slightly better than better chance but is it a good chance i i don't think it's anywhere near a good chance but listen if your statement's team you've got to go for it right you got to go for it yeah i don't think they're going to overturn it i disagree a little bit with some of the reasoning from a k and that i think you can incredibly reason you don't have to reason that he

would have held top position you can just reason that this did tangibly affect the fight and thus we don't know what would have happened and so this isn't we're not giving cody stamen a win It's a no contest because the fight was credibly affected in a way that we can't really adjudicate an appropriate victor here. I think that's fine. I agree in general. Like the history is not on the side of Cody Stamen here. And while the rules are written in a way that it feels like he should have a chance here, they're also open-ended enough where like the texture of how things went about gives the commission an out to just be like,

that's not really it. The other difference is I don't have the North Carolina rules in front of me. I just have the like general ABC rules. I'm not entirely sure which like what because everybody's running on different stuff. So like maybe in the North Carolina rules I couldn't find them while you guys were talking. There's something like very specific here, but it's open-ended enough in the ABC rules. It's like there's an argument both ways. So they'll just default to whatever the ring side decision was at the time.

So I think statement's kind of screwed here. but that sucks. The wonderful Eric McGrakin was actively tweeting out a little weird North Carolina legalese things during the show. So, guys, check out Eric McGrakeen on Twitter. One of them was funny one was something like the commission will not allow fighters to compete. Like you're not allowed to be exclusive to a company. Like those, we won't allow those kinds of promotions to be here. And I'm like, that might be news to the UFC.

That might be news to the UFC. I guess they're independent contractors technically. So I don't know. Maybe that's how they get around that. But yeah, there's apparently something in the North Carolina Commission doesn't like those kind of practices. So I don't know. Hey, look.

I mean, look, if there's anything, I'll get to you in a moment, Casey. Hold on. Real quick, and then I'll go to you, Casey. If there's one, look, maybe the momentum of the referee blunder overturn is a thing. Because if you watched the Bellator Paris card, and then I know these aren't the same things, Saul Rogers gets the submission win. There's no tap. There's nothing.

The referee just comes in and stops it. And Saul Rogers has announced the winner of the fight. And then like 20 minutes later, big John jumps back on the broadcast. So they went to instant replay. They looked at it and they overturned it. So maybe that snowball will continue to roll downhill and maybe Cody will catch a break. I don't think you will. But I definitely think it's worth taking a shot.

And it's definitely worth, you know, putting the referee kind of on blast for making just a terrible call. This is a terrible call. It was very bad. Casey, go ahead. Oh, quick question. And this is more of a rules thing. I was always told that actually, okay, the ref did mess up by not resetting him. But I was always told that.

Theoretically. I'm not 100% certain that that's a rule. Okay, well. But continue. Please continue. I was always told that that kick wasn't even illegal because it wasn't a kick. It was a push. If you put your foot on them and then push off him, that is completely legal.

You're allowed to push off your opponent on their head, on the grounded opponent. And that's what I said. I'm trying to find the replay. I can't find the replay on it. But that's why I always had issues. But if the ref allowed the kick and the fight continued, then that's not an issue. But he stopped the fight for the kick being an illegal kick. Even though I thought the kick wasn't even illegal.

But regardless, the ref thought it was illegal. And then did he just warn him? Is that what I was kind of, I got lost in it all. Yeah, he stopped it and gave Cody a little bit of time and then let him know like, dude, just chill out. And then that's it. And then they stood him back up for some weird reason. I'm not entirely sure that according to the strict rules that that's not right based on how that went down. So here's the thing.

There's been a lot of talk of like you're supposed to restart them. And that may be true. That is just not written into the rules or at least the current ABC rules that they have listed on their website. is not written into those. You can imply that based on the thing you were talking about earlier, Mike, and I've got it right in front of me. But the rules read verbatim, if a bottom contestant commits a foul unless the top contestant is injured,

the fight shall continue so as not to jeopardize the top contestant's superior positioning at the time. That is open-ended, it implies, but it doesn't state it. So, like, there is also a read of that that is, okay, he committed the foul, but like a continuation in football, right? Like, okay, everything continues, but once the referee intervenes and says, stop, separate, take your time,

recontinue, there isn't a specific thing that says, fight restarts in position. So I don't, it's just open to interpretation, which is kind of my whole point in all of this, we've been doing this 13 years. Like, it should not be hard to clearly elucidate rules and specifics

because the other part of this, like here, I once upon a time was an attorney. Laws can't cover everything, right? Like, that's the whole thing. There are narrow, like, corner cases. Everything gets real wonky when you get into it. But you have a whole pile of case law to build on the actual, like, statutes that are written, and that's how the legal system works.

You don't have that in fighting. There's not like, okay, well, we can go back to this where this happened. So you need to codify everything, and it's not that hard. The ABC rules are 13 pages. You can codify. You can use more words. Like you take 20 more minutes and write down all of the rules verbatim and very specific. And this will never be a problem ever, ever again.

It shouldn't be this hard. And yet somehow we're here. There should be specific examples of situations. Yeah. This would be a great example. Easy. Like it's all very dumb. And this is just the dumbest.

This and intentional fouls are, I will never, never not lose my mind about the intentionality of fouling. It drives me insane. All right. The Mandy bomb thing is the stupidest thing that's ever happened, guys. All right. Let's talk about it. That fight was the longest fight. That was the longest fight in the major.

Was that break between the third round or when the fight ended to the decision? How long was that? It was a long time. Forever. Because they said, they said, two commercial breaks. They had two breaks.

They had already taken the cards away before the referee had set and then said, oh, by the way, like he had to kind of tell, oh, I took a point. You know, I took a point after the sort of after I kind of waved it off. And they had to give the cards back to the judges. And the judge's referee Larry Carter, by the way.

The judges, you know, have a, that whole tabulation process always takes a long time anyway. And now I mentioned them having to go back and kind of redo some stuff and kind of They're also probably unclear and like, wait, why am I taking up a point? It shouldn't happen anyway because it should have been in DQ, so it doesn't matter. Yeah, I thought it was a DQ. Like you said, it is frustrating, though. That he, I guess he interpreted it as, again, whatever, unintentional or something,

but that shouldn't be up to them, right? There has never been an intentional foul in the history of this sport. Because no referee has ever called a foul intentional, except for one time Herb Dean with Peoria on and he was dead right and just it like I believe that was uh not that was not her I thought it was her on that when no it was oh my god I guess Michael Michael Smith Michael Smith Michael Smith so I guess this is legit so legality when they say intentional versus then unintentional I assume when they say intentional or unintentional that means they didn't intentionally do something illegal is that what they're trying to say that so that is

almost certainly what they are trying to say based on everything that has gone out. Here is where again, you could use a word that isn't as vague as intentional. You could, you can write an extra sentence to be specific about what you want because my contention has always been that intentional is idiotic because they are intentionally, look, Kim intentionally threw that knee. She may not have intended it to hit bomb in the head, but she intended to throw it. And that is the thing that should be the crux of the argument here. If I don't intend to shoot you, I am shooting my gun at a bull's eye that I have in my yard.

Okay, I am not, that is not malice murder if it goes through the bull's eye and kills you because you're standing behind it. But I have also done wrong because I chose to do a thing that rendered harm and is not good. it does like she threw that knee she knew what she was doing when she threw it she didn't slip into kneeing her she did it and so if that is thrown with intent that should merit that is a foul we treat it as a foul but we don't treat it as a point deduction

or whatever and that's idiotic if a fighter is intentionally trying to break the rules and throw an illegal strike a la what Kim did after the end of the round when she struck her at the end of round one or two whichever one that is, the fight should be over immediately and the fighter should be suspended because she has committed malice murder in this instance as opposed to negligent murder. The other one still warrants punishment and a punishment isn't, hey, you did a bad thing.

Like, don't you do that bad thing again. It's, hey, we're going to take a point. And if the fighter cannot continue, if the guy behind my bullseye died, I still go to jail because I negligently killed that dude. If you intentionally throw a strike and it leads to the fight not being able to move forward, that's a DQ.

You are in control of your strikes. Do better. This should be the most simple thing to do and it blows my mind where we're at with fouling in this sport. Do you feel the same way about groin shots? Yes. All illegal strikes.

If you were intentionally throwing a strike, you're in control of them. And then the counter argument is always, well, then people will just look for that as an out. Like, sure, that's a real thing that happens. And you know what happens in that instance? The referee then becomes the adjudicator of whether that person's full of shit. They're already the, they already adjudicate the intentionality of a strike. But in my scenario, the person who gets punished is the one who did the illegal thing,

as opposed to in the way we currently do things, the person who gets punished is the one who got fouled, who did nothing wrong and got fouled and is suffering a disadvantage for it. There's no reason being adult. Don't commit fouls. Habib Nirmig Mugamato have committed like two fouls in a 30-fight career. You can do it. How many fouls has Demetrius Johnson committed in his career? It's not that hard to not.

Sometimes it'll happen. Sometimes you'll throw a low kick and it'll slide up and that just goes on. But like, this just has to stop. We've got to punish people for doing the dumb thing. Needs to ground it had to have been illegal for 30 years and they still happen all the time. Punish them. Punish them and let's be adults about this. It's so weird to say that.

But then there were legal last week just in Denver. So, and a whole different, stupid argument. I understand. In almost any pro sport, the less interpretation you allow the officials, the better off your sport's going to be. that's just that like NBA I mean NBA is honestly like human wise is one of the worst officiated games

of the planet but the rules are solid right if you file someone you file someone there's no such thing and there's no there's no there's no there's there's no there's no I didn't mean to hit him in the arm while you hit him in the arm that's two free throws or that's the ballback or whatever

yeah but it's not the game over I think that's always the problem of you uh MMA is like you foul someone it's free throws in MMA you foul someone game over but that's a but that's what JET is saying though it's actually so rarely

that's why it's a tough I think it's, refs are in a very tough position. But it's actually, that's what's just saying though. It's so rarely game over. If anything, the fight continues usually,

and it's, as Jed said, it's the person who got hits that says as disadvantage, right? So it actually doesn't end fights often enough. There aren't a lot, there aren't enough dequeues or no contest. I think in a lot of situations. Like,

it's a crappy way for a fight to end, but yeah. It shouldn't be tough on the refs. The reps have created the system. And that's not entirely, you know, it didn't happen by accident. But like, if the refs from day one, just enforce the rules, then we'd be in that world where there's no interpretation, where we're not discussing this.

The question is not, hey, did she intentionally throw that illegal knee? It's she need her in the head, okay. Like, got it. Now we're moving on in this. Like, it's, it just take out the room for interpretation because it, there's no, there, I have yet to hear a good reason other than a general argument of, I feel weird if fights in because some guy got more points than the other one. Well, like, I don't know.

That dude didn't cheat. So maybe he does deserve to win because he didn't cheat. What did you feel by? I don't know if you saw it, but did you see the mona, the munasi, Mousasi illegal knee? Uh, I remember I watched that. That, that was awful. So I stopped watching a hard. It completely changed a fight though.

I don't. I cannot remember what happened. But like, he had Edwards on the cage. He had Edwards on the cage. He was kneeing to the chest. Edward blocked the knee The knee deflected off Masasi's knee deflected off Fabian's knee

And then went ahead They deflected into Fabian's head And they did And they basically put the fault on Musassi for that Which completely changed the fight Because the fight got stood up Fabian no I'm not saying Missossi would have won But it did change the fight

Yeah but there's always going to be No But there's always going to be Hold on there's always going to be freak occurrences right That's the thing is, but the problem is when those sort of indecisive moments become the norm. Like, you're right. Those things are always going to, and again, this is like, I'm talking about a broader sets of sports.

There's always going to be things that kind of like break the system where it's like, okay, you know, we made our system as best we can, but these bizarre situations are going to come up. So like those, the massage situation, it's going to happen. It's going to happen. No matter what your rule system is, that's sort of weird thing is going to happen. There's just no way to adjudicate it properly. But can you avoid the majority of like misinterpretations and things like that? Like, I think that's where we want to land.

But you're right. Like that's something that is, there's no easy answer. I don't think there's an easy answer for it. I think there's an easy answer for it. He threw the knee. He didn't have to throw the knee. Right. Yes, it got deflected, but that is, that, that is the risk you are assuming by.

That's on Fabian then. No, the risk you are assuming by throwing a potentially illegal strike in that position is that something happens and it becomes illegal. You as a fighter have chosen that. He could have punched him. There's no illegal punch for that. Like that's, I just, yeah, I don't like that. I get it. I know you're saying, but it doesn't make you feel great all the time.

but also the end result, aside from the fact that knees to the head of ground opponent should be legal across the board, taking that aside. If we accept that rule at face value, and I think that, frankly, that's a big part of this is that a lot of the things, a lot of the reason fans and refs and this has happened is because a lot of the enforcement are things that they kind of just don't agree with. And so they can't regulate away knees to the head, but they don't have to like take away points forward or whatever. if you are looking at this from a nuts and bold standpoint musasi landed intentionally through something it was illegal his opponent suffered for it fabian edwards did nothing wrong if there is a if two people did something and somewhere something wrong happened fabian edwards had did nothing wrong and musasi did something slightly wrong he's the one who eats the punishment i recognize that this is fully almost certainly because of my legal background and that they drill this into

your head in law school. But it just is what it is for me. Like just take all of the guessing out of it and let's live in a better world. Or I could do something like, I don't know, look at the fucking instant replay and judge it for yourself. Like it's there. Look at the replay. Like if you're like, you're like, you're not really sure and you look at the replay and be like,

sometimes, but not. all the time. Like if you go back and look at it. We should always bring replay in. Firmly agree with replay being involved. Yeah. Like on that knee, like on that knee, if you look at it and be like, oh, it's a deflection, be like, all right, cool.

Like, Gaygard, just be careful and just continue the fight in the same position or something. Like, that's fine. Like, I get that. But in certain instances, like, just look at the fucking replay and go from there. Like, if you're not sure, go look at it. Like every other sport. Like every other sport. I'm watching the Celtic 76ers game the other day.

day. And they called this clear path file. I'm like, fuck that. That's not a clear path file. And you know what they did? Guys, the referees went to the replay. And then they showed the replay in the game. And I'm like, you know what? Gosh darn it. After 400 F bombs in a row. That was a clear path foul. And the 76 years should absolutely be shooting two free force right now. You want to know why? Because I just saw it on the instant replay. I wasn't sure watching it live. But damn it, when I saw that replay, I was like, yep, you know what? That's the correct call. And that's exactly what should be happening. So if you're not sure, just go watch the replay. Just go watch the replay. Or have somebody at somebody there that you can consult. Just go find somebody you can consult. Be like, hey,

what the hell just happened here? And they can be like, oh, this happened. Here, you want to see it? Sure. I would love to see it. And then you look at it and then you can make your decision. but we don't even do that. We're not even trying to do that as these referees. And then, like, what can Dana White say about the situation? Of course, Dana was asked about it. Like, what's he supposed to say? Oh, we're never coming back to North Carolina again.

You can only say, like, the sportsman thing. And I'm not blaming Dana for this. He's saying exactly what you should be saying. When we come to smaller markets, there's not a lot of fights here, and these guys don't have a lot of the experience that Vegas and some of these other places have. What is he supposed to say?

North Carolina is a shitty state, and we're never coming back here. We're never going to say that. And he shouldn't say that. But this is a problem. Like this is a problem. And most commissions, and I learned a lot about this when I was doing that piece on Texas,

the promoters have no say. They have no say whatsoever on who judges or who referees. And they should have a say. They should have a say based on experience, especially for the UFC. They should be able to choose from a pool who can referee which fights. If you want to throw out a local person, whatever, like, let them deal with it in whatever way. You find the most experienced local person who has judged big, big fights.

But for the most part, like, these are some of these refs I've never even heard of before. And they shouldn't be on the stage if they don't have that kind of experience. So, I don't know. On the ref count, what did you say the ref's name for this one was? Terry, well, I don't want, Terry Smith, I think. I don't think that was. For which fight? For the Larry Carter.

Larry Carter and Terry Carter is the same name. That's the same name. Larry Carter, Terry Smith. It's literally not close enough. Those aren't real names. That's like Barry Jones. That's like it's the same thing. That's like Anthony Smith.

That's not a real name. It's a fake name. Sean Brady. Sean Brady is fake name. I'll say that Terry Smith, Larry Carter did a good job. mostly. Yeah. And Wayne's,

Wayne Spanolo was the referee in the Doug O'Sillada and Drag Cody's Dayton fight. And by the way, I want to put this, hopefully not caused more controversy and just put a positive cap on this. I at least feel like it's good that Mandy Boehm won. Yes,

she should have won. Because I think it should have made. We got the right result. Somehow, even though, even though, it was some questionable first round scoring. I think the right person won.

I think it's because she, I think it should have been a DQ, in her favor. So she got a split decision. She was stalling. I don't know. That's the rules. That's the rules.

I get it. You play the role. She spiritually should not have won the fight. I completely. I know. Things. What? The DQed.

Kim should, Kim should actually be the one to appeal because like, I think she's got a way better chance of winning an appeal. Let's not get into that. Let's not get to that again. She's not. What are you appealing on what grounds? Well,

they gave scorecards and then a whole bunch of other stuff happened and they gave more scorecards. Please I feel because the rules suck. The rule happened. It's because the ref took a point, took that other point away. So they probably got like a certain set of cards and then they didn't realize. Yeah. And they didn't realize like the other point got taken.

Again, arguably that was not the right move from the ref. But I'm still not certain that that's true because I can't find it in the rules because it looked into it. Like in my. head that actually totally makes sense. The timing was maybe a little off, but based on how the rules are, you stop the action and you take a point before the action restarts. The action never restarts, so he takes the point. So depending on if the timeline is, okay, well, the fight's over and then he takes the point

way after. The timing's not great where you're still getting to the right result. But also that could like, the rules might be totally written differently in North Carolina. And so it's all just weird. And that, to me, that's at least like, I'd take a stab it. at appealing that one. I just be like, this is obviously insane what happened,

a very weird situation. I can't trust that the judges who rendered scorecards already didn't render the same thing just with an additional point taken away. Who knows? It's all chaos. No contest.

Casey, are there any other questions? Guys, are there any other questions, please? We'll take a comment. We just spent about as long, talking about that fight as the fight went on. And that fight went on forever. Yeah, we did. But yeah.

But I guess the lesson is, and this has kind of worked, since we threw this out there in October, we threw it to some of the fighters. We'll throw it to the referees and judges. Mostly the referees, do the thing. Do the thing. Whatever you need to do to be clear, as clear and concise as possible for making a major decision

that can affect the lives and bank accounts of some of these fighters, do the thing. If the thing is looking at the replay to find out for sure, then look at the replay. If you need to ask a friend, ask a friend. Ask somebody with more experience. Dan Murgliata was chilling out there all night. You need to get Big Dan out there.

Get Big Dan out there. Ask Marky Ratner. Ask Marky Mark. Mark's got answers. Help. He's there for a reason. What do you think? He's just sitting there?

Use them. Use the man. Sitting there right there. Cade. Go talk to him. Who reverse the decision yesterday in Bellator, the submission? There was a reverse decision. Yes. Do you want to know why?

Do you want to know why, Casey? Do you want to know why? Free play? Because they used, they used instant replay. Because they went and looked at the replay, and then they turned, they overturned it to an old copy. Was it a Paris commission that did it?

I don't, I don't, I don't, okay, so the Paris commission. I guess so, yeah. I know sometimes UFC regulates their own events. I wasn't sure if Bellator was regulating the event themselves. So, uh, but regardless. I imagine it's a Parisian. Okay. Yeah, good.

Yeah. Yeah. So, so. So good on them. The ref messed up, which is fine. Refes mess up. They're humans. That's a good rep, too.

Huh? He's a good ref. He just messed up. Because his intentions were good. You know, he thought the guy was out. It wasn't, you know, a mess up. And then, yeah. And then he came back and rest of the fights, too.

It was fine. So I was just kind of curious who actually, how that happened. Because I wasn't watching it live. I just kind of saw the stories on it and stuff. Yeah, Big John just announced it. And then there were, yeah, they said it was, based on the instant replay. They looked at instant replay

and overturned it as soon as they looked at it. So use replay people. If you have replay at your disposal, use it. There's no shame in it. No shame in using it. So we have lots of questions, but not too many on this card.

I mean, I don't know if we want to talk about KSI or anything of that stuff. Or do you just kind of want to... I mean, we have our... I can have a resident here. I was all in on that. I was all in on that.

Speaking of... Speaking of... Should people use instant replays? Not that there's probably an actual commission overseeing that misfits boxing card, AK. But, uh, JSA probably should have got the old DQ. Should he not? I mean, that is an elbow and a half. How was that not over?

Incredible form on that elbow, by the way. That was, uh, that was left way worthy. Joe Fornier did not see that elbow coming. He was probably expecting a punch, you know. Sucker. I'm not sure. What a, what a bozo. He was expecting, uh, maybe an upper.

cut or a little short shot, like some dirty boxing inside. He didn't see the full elbow coming through and just cracking him. He did a good turn on it too. Like he was a really nice elbow. Art of eight. He was throwing a few of those. He's throwing a mixed- That was a Matt Brown elbow right there.

It was. Matt Brown. Too big of Matt Brown. Damn. What a segue. Can we talk about Matt Brown? Tide for most chaos in UFC history. The Immortal is truly immortal.

I mean, Awesome. How can you not love that? Did he submit a Hall of Fame spot tonight? I mean, you probably did anyways. Yeah, I would have hoped he had a spot in there anyway.

That's a good question. Casey, let me look. For a guy that's, for my recollection, was never even a top five watcherweight. Maybe he maybe broke top 10 at one point. It's hard.

It's hard. No, he was definitely top. He was definitely top 10. Okay. He had a title. He had a title eliminator fight with Robbie Loller. Like that was a,

that was a. Okay. So he never fought for the titles. That's a weird one. Because like Soroni, people don't say Soroni never won one. He at least fought. I don't. I threw out.

I threw it. Never. I don't think he's got. I don't know. I don't think he's got it. Got what? The Hall of Fame spot. I don't think so.

Because I was. It's hard to get in there. I suggested, okay, I put Matt Brown on Jim Miller kind of the same level. Guys who fought forever, lots of exciting wins, fan favorites. Yeah. Jim Miller never fought for a title. would never fight for that. Matt Brown would never fight for a title.

They both lost their number one contender fights to eventually fight for that title. Are each of those guys Hall of Famers? Jim Miller is for sure. Jim Miller is for sure. Matt Brown, I don't think so. It's interesting though because Jim Miller's getting in because of a lot of records, right?

I mean, so here's what Matt Brown has now. He has the tied for the, if he gets the record for most knockouts, I feel like they're going to put him in there. One of the coolest records you can have. Most finishes, most finishes in their welterweight division, most wealth weight appearances. So this was 30 after. So he has not quite the same records that Jim Miller has, but he has some records.

He has some records that will matter to them. And most importantly, he's a company guy, right? Most importantly, he is. I think, I think, if you have to remember, the UFC Hall of Fame is still pretty young. Like how long, what induction class is this? Like, it'll be how many years now? Are we 10 years in? 10 years.

I think we're over 10. Over 10? Give me, I want to say what's like 15. But give me, give me. Oh, they started? Oh, okay. They started in 03. But you didn't do it every year.

So we're at 20 years. Yeah. Sure. They used not do it every year, right? They didn't do it every year. But I mean, it's been consistently since 03, there was 05, 06, oh, 8, like pretty consistent. And unlike other Hall of Fame, like, I don't think they have a rule of like, oh, like a five-year rule. They don't have, whatever.

Yeah. And they don't have like a men match rule either. We just put, yeah, we just put you in whenever we want to put you in, whatever we need. Wasn't Fahler you put in a Hall of Fame and still fought? I mean, you're in. There's been a couple of Hall of Famers who have watched. Like as individual, it's not as a fight. I'm talking about as individual.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. J. Coleman and Couture fought each other as Hall of Famers. Okay. Yeah. I think he will make it up.

I think you'll see the bar eventually start to lower. And I think he will make it in. It wouldn't shock me. I do think that there's a substantive difference between having the most fights in promotional history versus the most knockouts, particularly as that's like, like Jim Miller's is a record that's probably not going anywhere considering he just keeps fighting like he's got a good chance to hold on to that whereas I that the most chaos could fall like in the not terribly distant future and if you look at his resume the other like really

the best way to make it into the hall for a guy like Matt Brown or whatever is to get in the fight wing like to look at him and be like that's definitely going to be a fight of the year fight of the Hall of Fame worthy and he doesn't really have any of those. So, Robbie Lawler, maybe. But, no, because the fight really, it was fine, but it wasn't like that great of a fight. Barbarina fights great, but it's not an all-timer. And that would get Barbarina in the Hall of Fame, which would just be amazing. I would love to see it.

I like it. It wouldn't shock me if he made it in, but it won't be it for soon. Yeah, he had some good ones. Jordan Main fights fun. Like, he, it wouldn't shock me if he gets in, but it won't be soon. Like, unless something, he also isn't retired yet. But more things could happen and that could change. But at this moment in time, I would err on the side of him not being inducted in the next 10 years.

Whatever the ballots are now, like five years, he's going to be the one that's going to be like the fourth time around. Yeah, whatever. He might be one of those guys who's perpetually like in the conversation because there are just a bunch of other dudes. Like in the not too distant future, Kumar Usman's making it into the Hall of Fame and Israel Addisoning is making it into the Hall of Fame. and just have more people, more people coming in and Charles Oliver, like, dudes who are locked in and it just keeps pushing you down the list. And you can open more wings too. Like you could do like the violence wing.

Yeah, they could. They could totally show it. That'd be a really good idea to get some people in there. The overcoming adversity wing, the harrowing story wing, like all these different things. Like you could throw him in there because he covers, he checks off a ton of those boxes if you add. wings too. Or Matt Brown can just be really happy to be a damn they were good fighter and that's fine too. I mean, that's really a more impressive honor.

I think he'll make it. If I had to bet, I think he'll make it. I think he's getting it somehow, yeah. Question for Mr. Hed. And I don't think it's crazy he makes the fighter wing. Question for Mr. Hague, though. On the pre-fight Q&A, I talked a bit about Chase Sherman and if he loses, he lost

tonight. He did. But you insisted he will have another fight in the UFC. do you still think you will have another fight? Yes, I do. And it's not. Chase Sherman, real quick, is four and 11 in the UFC. I can't.

I understand. That is incredibly bad. But here's, that's even a generous way to phrase it, Casey. Right. Yeah, I know. Because you could just be like he's two and nine in his last 11 fights in the UFC. Yeah, I know.

That is very generous. But here's the reason why I think he'll be back. We're probably going to be right. writing an article in the next 10 days. That includes Chase Sherman's name, being giving it his future endeavors letter from the Ultimate Fighting Championship. However, there is going to be a murderous heavyweight

that is going to need a fight at some point that's going to have a fight booked on a card that really is going to need this murderous heavyweight. And this murderous heavyweight's opponent is going to fall out five days before the Saturday he is supposed to compete. And who is the first person they are going to call in an attempt to fill that spot.

They're going to call Chase Sherman. You want to know why? Because he's going to say yes. He's going to show up and he's going to be a minus 19. He's going to be like a plus 1250 underdog. He doesn't care. He's still going to show up and fight and save the day. He is the mighty mouse, like not the Demetrius Johnson,

but like the hero mighty mouse. Here I come to save the day of the heavyweight division. Chase Sherman is just going to say yes to every opportunity that he gets. So yeah, I do think he will come back. It might not be right away, but I think within the next year, he will fight again. I do for that specific purpose. Future dependable wing of the Hall of Fame member, Chase Sherman. The Vataboy wing, the Vada boy wing.

Wherever Sam Alvey is in the Hall of Fame, Chase Sherman is going in that same hall. Sam Alvey's in there. Chase Sherman, absolutely. You got to get him in there. BJ Penn's going to be that hall. Also, he's in multiple halls. Both halls, double inductee. and one last question for me because we didn't talk about him at all and uh AK

talked about this on Slack is Alex Marono good yes it's a great it's a great question I knew I knew I knew it's a really good question but yeah I was like I just like he sneaks up on you like it sneaks up in you like how deep how the record he's had recently some of the wins he's got some of his performances like he's not bad he's kind of all right So I saw He's definitely not bad He's definitely not bad Alex Marano is like flipped

He's 12 and 5 He has a very good record in the UFC That is a very good record Wow And some good wins Yeah By name maybe not actual good But they look good

Yeah I'm trying to find the tweet That like it was exactly What I was thinking When it came to this Ah there it is If you guys follow MacMalley on Twitter, which even if you don't, I'm sure you've seen his tweets.

Alex Marono is like a Toyota Camry. Nothing flashy or anything to get worked up about. But he gets you to work on time. It's reliable. That is a, I mean, that's a good tweet. By the way, we have a Toyota Camry. Toya Camry is a great car. And I think it is a little more flashy

than Mr. McMalley is giving it credit for. I think it is something to get worked about. A Corolla would have been a better example for the way he described it. So, yeah, I think your Camry is correct. What year is your Camry, Mike? That's the difference. Like, we're talking like a 93 Camry because that thing's still out there running. I think it's still getting you 80s me.

But it just got not handlebar windows, you know, like it's that. Yeah, we didn't know. It was 93 Camry. He still is a cassette. He has a cassette player still. Yeah. Yeah. You want to plug in your phone.

And it works. the cassette to the ox cable. He has one of those cassettes with the cable. Roll the windows down for AC. Your disc meant, yeah. He's over liable. The backseat's like a little cramped. Like, you can fit people in the backseat,

but it's not comfortable. Just, just out there. Just dude, God's word. Camry's very comfortable. Like a 93 Camry? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't, I don't think I trust the interior room

of the 93 Camry. I think the backseat. Hyundai-A-Lontra thing. Casey, are there any other questions, Casey? Are there any other questions? A full-sized car. What are we doing here? You're thinking of the Corona.

More 10-8 rounds. Maybe I've never been a Toyota guy, so I could be wrong here. Same, same, same, though. What else we got? Is that what we done? For the love of God, we've got 90 minutes. Literally everything. We've got 90 minutes, gentlemen.

UFC Charlotte. UFC 288 didn't get 90 minutes. It's all these random cars. You want to go over two hours on. A lot more interesting, weird shit happened on this card than it too. If this is any indication, we might get two hours on EOSCE. Keep going. Keep going.

I've got a lot to say about Mahasate and Vajaslav Borshev. That's all I'm saying. I've got a lot to say. A lot to say. Stay tuned. Johnny Walker almost killed Anthony Smith and he got 30-27s. There was not a 10-8 round when Anthony Smith couldn't stand up by the end of that He didn't fight.

There's a 29, 28 in there too, Jed. I know. It's so dumb. The lack of 10-8 rounds is so dumb. Hold on. Tell the people, what was MMA fighting's official score for that fight? 30-25.

30-25 is the official score. Because he almost killed him in round one, and then he did kill him in round three. He just survived. I thought round three was definitely a 10-8. Nobody gave him 10-8. And no- NBA fighting sure did.

Yeah. great website. But I go M&A decisions and all these losers. Jedd, your score isn't there. Jedd, your score's not there. M.A decisions is scared to put our score up. They're scared. M.A decisions are scared.

Well, they usually put it attached to someone so maybe they just didn't realize that I was the one doing it. But like. No, our score isn't there at all. It's just a bunch of 30, 27s. I don't need to be on my soapbox. But my one statement here before we close is just if you're telling me that rounds three and round two of that fight are worth. same, then that's dumb as shit.

It's just dumb. Like, it's just very dumb to be like, I think Anthony Smith edged out round two and should get rewarded exactly the same as Johnny Walker, who made Anthony Smith not be able to walk and cover up on like basically asked to be put down like an old dog. Like, they're just not the same rounds. Give that man a 10-8. So you're just here to, you're here to change scoring for the better. You want things to change.

I don't even have to change score. In the rules, you can score that based on the current rule structure. They just don't do it. Jed, they're playing you off. They're playing you off, Chad. The band is, you don't know, music. I'm so mad about all of the, all of the officiating stuff this week was terrible. Bad reffing, bad judging, bad rules.

We'll put a bow on this. You'll hear it tomorrow morning. On to the next one, AK&L matchmake. This is going to be one of the easier. episodes because we've already sort of at least for me sort of kind of laid up the no friends forever tomorrow so I think we kind of cheated Mike I think we kind of cheated today yeah maybe we'll have our first friends for a while card I don't know maybe maybe that's so stay tuned for that on the podcast network for AK for Casey for Jed I am Mike Hack thank you for watching and

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