MMA Fighting - UFC Denver Post-Fight Show | Reaction To Namajunas' Dominance, Silva vs. Dober All-Out Chaos

Episode Date: July 14, 2024

Rose Namajunas capped off Saturday's UFC Denver event with a one-sided victory over Tracy Cortez to earn her second straight win at 125 pounds. Following the win, Namajunas expressed her interest in fighting for the flyweight title, or a women's BMF title, but are any of those realistically possible for the former strawweight champion? MMA Fighting's Mike Heck, José Youngs, and Eric Jackman react to the UFC's latest Fight Night card, Namajunas' performance, and discuss what could be next for her. Additionally, the discuss the chaotic fight between Jean Silva and Drew Dober, Silva's breakout potential with three stoppage wins to start the year, the controversy surrounding the Cody Brundage vs. Abdul Razak Alhassan fight, Montel Jackson's 18 second knockout victory, Charles Johnson's late finish of Joshua Van, and more. Follow Mike Heck: @MikeHeck_JR Follow José Youngs: @JoseYoungs Follow Eric Jackman: @NewYorkRic Subscribe to MMA Fighting Check out our full video catalog Like MMA Fighting on Facebook Follow on Twitter Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Rose Namibunis, who wins the main event via dominant unanimous decision, a pair of 4946s, a 4847 mixed in there. And Rose Domi Eunice, two wins in a row at 125 pounds. She gets it done to close a very interesting UFC Denver events. And thank you for joining us for the Post Fight Show. I am Mike Heck. What a crew we have a set. assembled here. First, the East Coaster himself, my fellow Red Sox fan, Jose Youngs, back on the

program. What's up, buddy? Covering fights on the East Coast will forever be terrible. I'm never going to get you into this again. Someday, my friend, someday, someday. Maybe not. And also on the East Coast, and it's always a pleasure to have him on the post-fight shows. New York Rick is here. New York Rick, which means Achilles Jr. will be in, dropping at least five bucks, maybe 10. How are you, New York, Rick? I'm watching you, Achilles Jr. I'm doing great.

How are you, Mike? It's great to be here with you and Jose and our legendary producer, Casey. Yes, I'm doing fine. The event is over. It wasn't a bad event. There were some good moments. We had one of the best fights of the year,

which we'll definitely talk about in a matter of moments. But let's talk about the main event and what Rose Namah Unis did. I'll start with you, Jose. I scored a 4946. M.A. Fighting's official score cars, 4946, that Rose comfortably won the first four rounds.

I think Cortez had a good round five, but I think Rose was just kind of playing defense and making sure she just didn't get got at the end there. Good performance. It just seemed like the fight went the way most people thought it would. Experience matters in this sport. Rose has a ton of it with high-level competition, let alone the five-round experience she has.

It seems these days those are the only types of fight she has are five-rounders. So your thoughts, your reaction to what we saw from Rose Nama Yunus tonight. I think we obviously all picked Rose to win. I think I don't remember what the lion was, but I'm pretty sure she was a favorite. I picked Rose to win by stoppage. Oh, I didn't pick. I didn't make a pick. But I assumed if she was going to win, she would win by stoppage just because, you know,

she was getting ready to peak on this specific weekend. Tracy wasn't. This was obviously kind of a shit like she was supposed to fight next weekend in a three-round fight in a tiny octagon in Las Vegas at normal altitude and then she switched to a five-round main event a week early in a big octagon in like significantly higher altitude. Rose historically does very well in non-title fights, especially when she's chasing the belt. So I thought if anything, you know, this might look something like the Rose Page Vanzan fight. Tracy, I thought, could have been, you know, the stronger fighter, the bigger fighter, because Rose, this is an obviously, I don't, I don't even think this is her natural weight class. I think she's still just 115 pound fighter fighting at 125 pounds.

Tracy comes from that wrestling background. She changed with Sehudo. She's changed with the pit bull, bro. She's changed with Paulo Costa. So she's trained with these bigger athletes. I thought if she got a hold of Rose and tried to grappled her and just kind of made this a boring fight against the fence or just kind of smashed her into the canvas. She could win. Rose wasn't having it.

She even said that in her post fight interview. She said, you know, I know she's a good wrestler and this and that, so I wasn't trying to do that. She did not take Tracy Cortez's bait when she was pointing at the octagon. Because I even, like, my girlfriend watched this fight. She doesn't normally watch MMA at all, but she likes Tracy and she likes Rose. So she watched this fight. And when Tracy was pointed to the ground, she's like, why would Rose do that? It seems silly.

She's kind of pitching a perfect game right here. I'm like, you're not wrong. And Rose didn't fall for it. Just veteran move. So, yeah, easy night for Rose and Armino's. Neerick, what do you grade this performance from Rose? I mean, this is dominant, but I think a lot of people expected her to get a stoppage. But Tracy is tough, man.

She got dropped in the first round, was able to avoid getting dropped again. She kind of got out class, but she dogged it out and made it to the final, made it to the cards. What did you grade Rose's performance tonight? Let's give her a solid B. I feel like it was a good performance. Not a great performance, a good performance. She did exactly what she needed to do. She looked better than Tracy Cortez.

I'm impressed to that extent and that extent alone. I have not been impressed with the flyweight Rosamah Unis journey so far. It just hasn't felt like the straw weight. It hasn't felt like the dangerous competitor that I believe she is at strawweight. It just hasn't done it for me. me. And this was another performance where like, you probably want to finish Tracy Cortez if you're going to be the champion in this weight class. Again, like, this isn't a super deep weight class. And on any given night, I think she's going to be competitive with Alexa

Rosso. She's going to be competitive with Manifiro. Like, but I don't know. I don't know. I'm, there's something about it. I'm, I'm not there yet. I'm not there yet with the flyweight Rose. But it was a B. She did exactly what she needed to do. She's not getting any extra points there. Like it wasn't, you know, an all-time performance. So B. Yeah, I think that's a pretty fair grade. She was clearly the better fighter and the more experienced fighter. And that paid dividends in this fight. And I mean, there's not really a lot to break down here. I mean, I guess like the big question is, and Jose, I'll start with you, where does Rose go? Because obviously, Paul Felder asked her, what do you want next?

She goes, I want the belt. So she could obviously stay by the phone and hope things fall through. And she just is sort of the last domino left to fall. She also said, maybe I'll do a women's BMF fight. But I kind of feel like Macy Barber, just rebooking that one, just makes a whole lot of sense. Yeah. You agree with that. Yeah, I either rebooked the Macy fight because even Rose said she, you know,

she kind of wanted to show her what's up when Ariel interviewed her. She's not going to get the next title shot. Because if it's not Valentina, it's going to Man in Furrow who beat Rosenomunez. If Macy isn't ready to go for whatever reason, I guess they could do the Aaron Blanchefield fight. I know they offered Aaron the last minute fight against Roses. She says she wasn't going to be 100%. But she wants to do the BMF fight. If she wants a female BMF fight, I am all four doing the trilogy fight against Jessica Androd.

I've obviously Jessica and Yawanna seem to be the two BMF fighters that everyone wants to see in the women's divisions. but if you want to staying retired, I can't think of a better dance partner than Rose for Jessica Androge who needs to be involved in a women's BMF fight. They're obviously one-on-one. So that trilogy, if I would make sense. I know Jessica Androge has a fight coming up,

a very tough fight. So if she gets through that, I wouldn't hate that, but if we're going to pick a logical fight, just rebooked the Macy fight. I was sold on it when they booked it. Rose kind of sold it on me again after Ariel's interview with her.

If not that, then I'll, a fight against Aaron Blansfield will at least keep you in the title picture and at least give you another win because you're not going to leapfrog man and you're not going to lead frog Valentino. Yeah, this is kind of interesting, New York, Rick, because Jessica Androch slated to fight Natty Ice, September 7th. That's what's sort of out there right now. When Natty Ice beats Jessica Androge would not hate living in a world where Natty Ice fights Rosamie Unis, but it might be a little too far down the line, September 7th. So we just rebooked Macy.

thinking here. Yeah, Macy. Like, I want somebody who's going to show some grit and really get in her face and give her a tough fight and not, you know, just play this point game because then it's going to get into a situation like with Mannon where, you know, oh, I thought I had that one and it's, it's a close call. Like, I just want to see a fight. I want to see what happens when she gets into a fight at flyweight. And so, yeah, I think, I think Macy Barber would give her a fight. And I think she'd give Macy Barber a fight. So book that one because it's not a title shot. Yeah, I like that fight.

I think it makes a lot of sense. Basie was there. And keep it five rounds. I don't want these three rounds. Yeah. Like a pre-lim main card fight on a paper of you. Give me a main event of a fight night. I agree.

Even if it's at the world's famous apex, that's a suitable main event. And that's fine. Co-main event, we saw Muslim Salikov, 40 years old, 40 years young, I should say, coming out and getting the win over Santiago Ponzi and I'll be a split decision. But let's go ahead and just skip over that. No disrespect, because we got to talk about what happened in the featured bout. New York, Rick, I'll start with you.

Gian Silva is an absolute, he's a maniac. The dude is a maniac. Goes out, knocks out Charles Dordane two weeks ago. Yes, he missed weight. Yes, there's a little asterisk there. But then he steps in and fights Drew Dover at 155. And these two, we had expectations for this. And these two somehow exceeded those expectations.

And Gian Silva just was to land in thunder on Drew Dover. Open up one of the nastiest cuts you'll ever see. Great stoppage by the doctor. I mean, there's no doubt. As soon as we saw that spinning elbow land in the third round, and we saw what Drew Dover's face looked like. We knew the fight was over. But, man, these two guys just went in there and banged it out.

Sensational fight. What a performance from John Silva? What more can you say about this one? Because this fight absolutely ruled. Yeah, not much more. You've said a lot there that I agree with. Jean, John, Gene, he's slick. He's very slick.

The dude is creative and finds angles that I think are going to have a lot of people at featherway, lightweight, wherever he's fighting problems. Like, he is just a very creative striker. And he can get into a firefight, but he can also fight on the outside and be kind of slick. I'm really impressed, man. He's not somebody who I can say, like, I know Jed Mishu has been very high on him

and then kind of tagged him as a prospect to watch. I didn't necessarily, like, have my eyes on him until these last two I've been really impressed. Like, as the level of competition went up, so did the performances. And, yeah, the sky's the limit for the dude. Like, I really believe in his offensive skill set. It's going to be interesting to see as he,

He makes another jump up and somebody who's bringing a little more creativity on that side back at him how that looks. But man, I'm excited to see how it plays out. I'm excited to see him take those next steps because if he starts passing those tests, then you've got something really special on your hands. Impressed, just very, very impressed. In such a short amount of time, Jose, John Silvas has become must-see TV. Drew Dover's always must-cTV. John Silva is already at that level, just three fights in. The fight nerd team just making moves, just delivering in big ways.

But Gian Silva, probably the star of the card, even though there are some other nominees for this 100%. But what a fight, man. What a performance. Yeah, he's pretty much this year's Diego Lopez, you know, come in and just kind of captivate the fight world with exciting performances on relatively short notice. And he'll just continue to fight. And those are the type of fighters that I've always gravitated. towards like they don't necessarily need to call out the biggest names like max holloway became extremely popular because he was just down to fight whoever and then eventually there was no one

else for him to fight besides getting that title shot charles uh charles olivara same thing so i'm all for it if he gets his weight uh in order missing weight is always a bummer especially when it's your second ufc fight uh on such a big stage like ufc 303 but yeah he is absolutely must see tv and what's more impressive is not just getting stoppage ones but getting stoppage ones but getting stoppage wins like second round, third round, because first-round knockouts are always exciting. There are always sub one-minute knockouts are always exciting. But, you know, I always have like, what if he gets out of the first round?

Can he maintain the space? Can he maintain this power? Can he maintain fighting, this style of fighting while also taking a lot of damage? And John Silva is doing that. Like, Drew Dober was, like, the body shots that Drew Dober was landing, especially those kicks, was crippling. Like I'm confident when I say if Drew Dover kicked me in the stomach, I would die. And Jean Silva not only took it, but then kept fighting.

So kudos to him. If he gets his weight cut in order, he is absolutely must-see TV. And he keeps winning like this. He's basically going to be this Diego Lopez. I'm very excited to see who we fight sex. Do you guys want to see him just bounce around in both weight classes, just take fight and just get in there as much as possible? or is there one weight class for the other?

Lightweight has some real tall, big guys. Like Charles Oliver is not the smallest dude. Tony Ferguson is not the small. Even Patty Pinliss not the smallest dude. I think Drew Dober was one of those perfect matches for him because Drew Dover's is always in a firefight. Once he gets those long-rangey, heavy grapplers, I think it would be tough.

I think I would like to see him at Featherweight, for sure. Because then we could get Diego versus John Silva, and that would be a banger. if the weight cut is too difficult, I don't mind him at lightweight, right? Like, I think if that weight cut is a sign of something, if that previous fight is a sign of something where maybe it's going to be tough to get down and wait, I don't mind lightweight. Like, yes, to Jose's point, like, Drew Dober is not a massive lightweight,

at least in terms of height and physicality in that regard. He's a big boy, but he's not going to be physically imposing in there in terms of the reach and the height. So, you know, that's kind of a good size matchup for him. But truth be told, like some of those check hooks and even the flying knee that he landed in the first round, I'm fairly confident if you don't have Drew Dover's chin. Like he's going to ice you with some of those. And so I'm, I'm okay to see him against lightweight. So I think he's got some translatable power and skills that like for a mortal man who doesn't have Drew Dover's chin, that's going to cause some real problems.

with some of those shots that he was throwing. Like I was, you know, I'm not surprised by Dober's chin anymore. Like I just can't be. It's too incredible. But man, like Dober walked onto some hooks and that flying knee that I thought like would have been it for nearly anybody else. So I think he'd be fine at lightweight. He'd probably be a little bit small.

But I think that's a better alternative than if that weight cut down to 45 is going to suck him out and he just can't make it. So we'll see. I mean, look, but at the same time, by the time he hit fighting night, at featherweight. He was amazing. So, yeah, maybe he just needs to get that in order. I'm good with either, though.

It's interesting because I'm pretty sure he debuted at Bantamweight. So he's fought from 135 all the way to 155. Because, like, once you look in that 15 to 10 range, like, Jean-Silva would look so tiny next to Jalen Turner. And, like, RDA is not that big. King Green's big. Ben-Wassanthese big. Big.

Dan Hooker's big. Those are like all the 10. I'm down to watch any of those fights. But I can't who would be in feet like Edson Barbosa versus John Silva would be a banger same as Dan Igay But yeah There's some good ones there's some good ones and these are guys that float between featherweight and lightweight So we can do it anyway like these are all great fights except Turner definitely not but some like oh Hose are tight

Lerone Murphy John Silva sheesh Oh man there's some late Nate landware John Silva golly that that's just gonna be incredible stuff so lots of great options Raise the runners. Raise the sails. Raise the sales. Captain, an unidentified ship is approaching. Over. Roger.

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Visit darktrace.com forward slash defenders. for more information. And a shocking development, fellas. I don't know if you're aware of this. Drew Dover versus John Silva got fight of the night. I don't believe. I mean, who could have saw that coming? I mean, we have performance of the night bonuses.

Two of them care to make a guess, care to venture a guess. I don't have a card in front of me, but I'm going to guess DJ for sure. I'm going to say juicy J for sure, but I need to look at the rest of the card. I'm going to say Montel Jackson. Oh, yeah. has one. Charles Johnson. And then you said there's two.

All the go Charles Johnson. Correct and correct, Jose. All right. Correct and correct. Yeah. Wow. Did you get one? J.

did not get one. That's messed up, man. Get a third one in there. I mean, I think J. had the third best finish, but he still deserves one. Yeah. I mean, he was a significant underdog in that fight, too.

Yes. Snatchezza. Juanasanto's got a Swiss Juanis Santos got a quick submission. Evan Elder got a submission. But, yeah, Montel Jackson was definitely good one. 18 seconds. Dude is a problem.

Dude is an absolute problem. And then Gabriel Bonfim got a win over Anglosa. We mentioned Julian Orosa gets the sneaky guillotine against Christian Rodriguez, who's looked real good. He's beat everybody. And Julian's just a dog, man. If you don't get him, he's very difficult to beat.

we had the very strange we should talk about this the no contest that kicked off the main card Cody brundage Abdul Razak al-Assad Cody brundage has had a strange like 10 months because it started with the DQ win over Jacob malcun for a very similar thing that happened tonight then he gets a power bomb slam knockout win in Austin forgot about that the fight after dracar close got a power bomb knockout slam literally back to back fights then he fights at ufc 300 against bow nickel and then he comes back in denver and fights abdurozhak al-lissan gets elbowed in the back of the head a whole bunch times referee is screaming warnings don't hit him in the back of the head don't him in the back of the head just kept getting hit in the back of the head no contest it's just been a

very strange run for cody brundage so i ask you to york rick i know like technically by the rules No contest is not wrong, but do you agree with this? Like, should this have been a DQ? Yeah, should have been a DQ. There were multiple warnings. The shots were clearly illegal at this point. Like, what is the difference between a DQ and a no contest at this point? If, if, hey, I'm telling you not to do that, don't do that.

Now you did it is not grounds for disqualification. What is the next step beyond that? I don't have an answer for what a DQ actually would be. I, from what I would understand the rules to be, that would be a disqualification. Yeah, I mean, the referee has the decision-making power in that situation. So if Big Dan wanted to call it a DQ, he certainly had the power to do so, but he didn't. Immediately was just like, not accidental, even though he just kept warning Abdul, like, don't hit him in the back of the head. Did you find that strange, Jose?

Did you think this is a DQ as well? I thought they were, I don't really have an opinion on the no, the DQ versus no contest, but I was pretty confident they were going to declare it a DQ or, you know, because the referee, like the doctor was like, yeah, he can't fight anymore. And then it still was like five minutes later, they decided like they kind of called it. And they didn't, like I was waiting for the referee to wave his hands like the fight's over. And he just never did it. It just all of a sudden, the official decision.

coming soon, music started to play, and then I went to a commercial. And I was like, oh, I guess it's a no contest. They didn't really give us any information. And then the commercial came back and it declared it a no contest. So I thought for sure they were going to declare DQ, but I don't really have an opinion one way or another

because I feel like the rules are just constantly changing, and it's obviously up to the referee. And I don't know. I've learned to stop trying to predict what is going to happen. And then I do, and yet I'm wrong. Yeah, Charles Johnson and Joshua Van probably would have won fight of the night had Drew Dover. John Silva went any different direction, but Charles Johnson gets 50K anyways, great fight, great win over Josh Van. Jasmine Jazz DeVizius gets another win over Fatima Klein, who is going to be real fun to watch in the future when she goes back to 115 and has full fight camp.

Montel Jackson, always fun to watch. I've been telling you all for the last several years, this dude is the dark horse at 135. we just got to get him in the friggin octagon. But if he's only fighting for 18 seconds at the time, I think we'll see a lot more of him. What do you guys, what did you guys think of Montel? It goes in there.

We haven't seen him in, it was like April of last year, I think it was the last time he fought. And he goes in there and just 18 seconds later, a lot of people felt DeMond Blackshare was a darling underdog this week. Nope. Montel Quick Jackson lived by the moniker, New York, Rick.

Yeah, flawless performance. Like the dude, I saw the stat out there. I believe it was like Michael Carroll who had it that he's got seven consecutive fights with knockdowns. Like he's just got power that you can't F with. Like he has power that very few people have. And he's good at using it. Like it's that simple.

And I'm interested to see as the competition level increases like what that power looks like against the upper echelon. but until we get there it's a lot of fun to just see him knock people down and knock people out flawless A plus performance 11 knockdowns in his last seven fights dude is a freaking savage Jose

I mean we've all seen the photo of him holding up his hand to France and Ghana Bannamweight with bigger hands than Francis and Ghana that dude's going to turn a lot of lights off and Bannon waits obviously I'm on the light weight train as best division in combat sport. But, you know, there's a lot of people, including some staff on MMA fighting,

that incorrectly say Bannonweight is number one when it should be number two. But man, Bannamway has an exciting future because Pay and Talbett, Montel Jackson, all those guys coming on the up and up. Keep them apart for now because I want to see all these fights eventually. But yeah, super exciting. And who is Montel Jackson lost to in the U.C.? I know he's lost to Rick's Domeone and Breit. and Brett Johns and Brachie Simone and Brett Johns are those are probably early in his career too those are not you know those are and like a bunch of decisions too like so we've seen him knock people out in 18 seconds we've seen him you know get these 30 27 decisions against like I know we beat keller who's obviously like a well-rounded guy who really are saying he melted raniaya who might be the best grappling in that division so he's beating a myriad of opponents or a myriad different ways Simone and Johns have a very similar thing in common

you know like there's a there's an easy you can look at that and be like yeah there's a there's a there's a path there but if you stand in front of them he will knock you down period that is what will happen and the even knock brett johns down yeah that brett john's fight was on fight island right like middle of the pandemic or was that the rickie simone fight i know one of them was in the in that weird arena and abu daubi in front of nobody yes it was on the figgy benavitas Yeah, at like two in the morning Abu Dhabi time. Yeah, the Ricky Simone fight, I remember he took on like super short notice. Oh, is that his debut?

That was his debut. Yes, that was his debut. He's on the contender series. God bless. Got two knockdowns in the contender series, too. That's all he does to knock people down. Five straight wins for Montel Jackson, eight and one in his last nine. To his giant.

Boy, we got to see more of him. Got to see more of him. That's for sure. We're very excited to see what is next for. Bontel Jackson, Luana Santos, gets a submission win over Maria Gopova, Andre Petroski, beats Josh Fremden, and Evan Elder. Beats Darius Flowers, who's probably not long for this UFC world. Although, if you ask Jed Mishu, Darius Flowers might just be the perfect guy for the

Walterweight Division because he gets got real, real good, and good win for BTL alum, Evan Elder. Let's bring in Casey. Let's hear what the peeps have to say about UFC Denver. Hi, Casey. There he is with his Diaz Mazel t-shirt on. Is that what I'm seeing? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know.

Look at that. Yep, yep. All right, let's see what you guys got. All right. The super chats first. All right, here's a super chat, whatever. Adam Rogers. Rick, give more pushback to Ariel when you disagree.

I feel like I give pushback. Like, with all due respect, like respectfully, I feel like I give a lot of pushback to Ariel like we often disagree if anything. That's that's kind of my thing. Yeah, but more pushback. I feel like Ariel calls you,

I feel like Ariel calls you insane like at least twice a week. Crazy take, you know, hipster this. I don't know how much more I can do. To be fair, Ariel doesn't know what a hipster is. That is on the right. That is.

He has absolutely. No, he also doesn't understand that tackies comes from Mexico, not Australia. Is it tackies or talkies? It doesn't matter. Yeah. It's the same thing. And regardless of what you call them, they come from Mexico. Yeah, only hipsters eat their steak, medium rare.

Like, what? That's not the use of it. All right. All right. It sounds like these guys are ready to give Ariel more pitch back. So I'll tag that. Yeah, yeah. That was a very aggressive pushback request with all caps.

Yeah, Chase is a lot. Chase, John Silva's quickly climbing up my list of favorite fighters. I get Diego Lopez vibes. Came out of nowhere. Be really good guys. Has fun style. See? There you go.

Jose, he's right there with you. Yeah. I was getting BSD vibes, actually, for me. Just like just, you just know he just bring. But same thing. Just bring in that violence and just whatever happens. happens. I like the BSD thing just because, yes, the violence aspect, but man, he's just so slick.

Like BSD is a tank, right? BSD is just like rolling forward, throwing caution to the wind and just trying to kill you. But like he's able to fight from distance. If he's in a, if he's planting his feet and he's trading with Drew Dover, he's ending up on the better end of that. Like there's some, there's some stuff that he does that like you, you, if he, if he is as good against upper echelon competition as he is in this level. Like it's going to be a very hard style for people to mess with.

Oh, I think he looks great at 55 to. You beat Drew Jober. And I, short notice at elevation coming up a weight class. Well, kind of. And, but yeah, it's just, I don't know if he's the real deal yet, but he is obviously a very exciting fighter and book him as much as possible, UFC. See, if he wants to fight next week, throw him in there. He's just that exciting.

I dig it. Yeah, there's also like a tinge of Marlon Vera vibes where not just the durability, but he wears punishment so well. It doesn't even look like he was in a fight at the end of it. Not a mark on his face. It's crazy when you hit a guy as hard as Drew Dover was hitting him at points and did nothing. Like didn't put a bruise, not a cut. He fights like if Michael Chandler had.

Any semblance of fight IQ. Just exciting all the time, but just barrels forward. Got a little Jedmishu taken there, you know? I'm not like- Any shot at Chandler. Just bring it. I'm just saying, like, Michael Chandler is one of the most exciting fighters in all of MMA, but the dude could out-wrestle pretty much anyone

and chooses to just sling hammers. Like, it is what it is. I got you. I'm just, yeah. All right. Oh, our good friend, Akita's Jr. Matrix versus Quick, Brito versus John, New York City, New York, Rickathy, try harder, man. New York, Rickathy.

What are we talking about? In regard to what, try harder, what? Are you teaming up with this other guy about pushing back against Ariel? What's the paperclip for? What are we doing? Explain this, Achilles Jr. This needs an explanation. With a super chat.

Thank you for Qaeda here. Oh, we got some. I am also down for Kyler Phillips versus Montel Jackson. That fight would. Yeah. Don't hate it. There's so many good fights for Jackson. So many.

I know we're talking to last question. Does Kyler have a fight? Or is he just won in Miami's? I don't know. Real quick. At the end of the, no, at the beginning of the third round, is it John or John? Jean. John, John still?

All of your heart. Yeah. It's John. Oh, I just froze. Okay, okay. I was waiting. I was waiting before you. Okay. But what do you guys think about the beginning of the round hug? Because I don't care, but I know some announcers and like bids me, they get all like, I can believe they're hugging.

They just put one of the most violent 10 minutes out there. And this guys dare hug each other before they continue to try to knock each other's brains out of their skulls. I always thought that was a weird criticism from commentators. I don't care. I don't hate it, but I don't love it either. I think I care a little more than you do, but I also, it's not going to make or break my day. Like, I'm going to move on very quickly.

But I think I dislike it a little more than you do. Yeah. Because I'm like, I just want fighters to be who they are. And if they're like big, happy, smiley, shake your hand, hug you before and after the I don't care if they're mean mugging you the whole time that's who they are, that's who they are. I don't know, I just thought it was... Drew Dover is one of the nicest human beings you'll ever meet.

And one of the most violent ones too. So like if someone's going to hug you after, before, during a fight, it's probably going to be Drew Dover. I had just said, it would be, I, so I didn't see in that aspect, I had zero reaction to it because I'm like, it's just Drew Dover being Drew Dover. But if like Tony Ferguson hugged someone in like round three, be like, this is fucking weird, then I would be concerned. But I think that's,

that would be out of character. I understand. I still like, if it's out of character, I would be very confused, but it's Drew Dover. I honestly feel like this has like parallels to like your feelings on PDA.

Like I just feel like there's a, there's a, there's a trans, like there's a translatable thing of like, I don't know, save it for the locker room, save it for after the fight. Like I don't need it at the moment.

And maybe I'm just like anti- PDA. Maybe that's, maybe that's where it comes from. But I'm just like, yeah, like, we don't need to do this right now. Like this moment in the middle of the cage. After the fight, before the fight, like, great, do it, hug it out. Go backstage. Have a good hug. Like, it doesn't have to happen at 458 of the third round is kind of my stance on it. New Yorkerich just hates love. Yeah. I guess I do. I think, I think that's what I'm revealing about myself. Yeah. And that same arena, Yair, I is gave a hug, Korean zombie, you know, right before one of the most violent knockouts we've ever seen.

So, yeah, I think there's, like, I don't know, there's lines. I think after those two dudes just beat the shit out of each other for 10 minutes, okay,

I'm all right. Hey. Like, Hey, Donald's freaking, Donald's, Johnny, Yancey Maderos,

hugging each other for the entire first round. That's true. I was like, okay, let's move on. When it affects the first thing, When it affects the fight like that, then it's a little weird. But like Arturo Gotti and Mickey Ward hugged in the middle of like all of their fights.

And no one is complaining about any of those fights. So do you, man. Yeah. All right. Okay. Yeah. So we got a lot of haters on Cody, Cody, Cody, in the chat. Yeah.

To be honest, replay showed elbows two shoulder, not backhead. I don't think that's not. No, that's not true. There were some of the hug. Absolutely. I think even Don't, it was cruiser felon. The back of the neck is such a dangerous, incredibly dangerous spot. Even cruiser, cruiser felder was like legal, legal.

Then they were like, oh, foul, foul, legal, foul. Like they were calling them out. Yeah, like, and yeah, I was just like, and like, and I'm all for violence. I mean, I wish we had soccer kicks. I wish we had knees on the grounded opponent. it, I do not wish we had elbows or punches to the spine back of the head. No way. And yeah, it's like I absolutely, I'm jumping.

No one asked for my opinion, but I thought that should have been a DQ so bad. That was such a DQ. I don't understand why it wasn't a DQ. And yeah, that's all. I just did not like that at all to do that. It's just incredibly dangerous and not the fun way, not the fun way that we like. Yeah. Yeah, Yala's trying to make the case that like, it shouldn't have been a DQ because the elbows weren't illegal.

I think that's a very tough sell because there were very clearly like illegal elbows. I think an easier sell is he was being irresponsible with his weapons and it was accidental. I think there's a possible way you can sell that. I don't agree with it. I think he should have been decued. But I think that there's a world where you can make that argument. And ultimately, like the referee believed that. And that is where we ended up with a no contest.

So I think that's an easier argument and an easier bridge to cross than there were no illegal elbows because, like, there definitely were. I also, I don't know how much, I mean, I think Dan has somewhat to blame for just not calling a DQ. But the first thing Cody Brundage did when he realized what happened was say that I don't know what happened. What happened? Why am I here? What went on? Just stop it then. Why are you giving him five minutes when he doesn't know where he's at and what happened?

Would the reaction be the same if they just stopped the fight right there? What he was like, what happened? Why am I here right now? Would it be the same sort of reaction to all this? Instead of giving him an entire five minutes and then the doctor's pleading with him. Can you go? Can you not go? I think they should have just stopped it right there.

But it is what it is. It happened. And the problem is. he was also getting like pinged around pretty bad with some legal shots too like he was just in real trouble because abdul can throw like that's the one thing he does well like doesn't have great takedown defense like kind of can be a little bit wild at times but the dude has like tn t in his hands and he was pinging brundage around like on the legal shots brundage is like rolling for legs while getting battered in the face with punches um and so he was probably rocked from moment one

and any of those shots could have contributed to him not knowing where he is. Unfortunately, there were some illegal ones in there. And as I said, like, I think that's a deep view. But it's a tough situation. It's a tough situation. He was warned about it. It wasn't like it just happened, you know, one shot. It was, I was just, yeah, I just, I did not like it.

And, yeah, I'm not even going to throw your comments. And there's some haters, yeah, caught in Cody Brandage or quitter. I'm like, I don't know Cody Brunich. I don't care. He's just a fighter, but like he's not a quitter. He got violently illegally attacked tonight. If you're warned and throw the shot, you should always be decued except for the John Jones versus Matt Hamill fight. John Jones should never be decued because he's undefeated and my hero and my champion.

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Thank you. Or is that the New York? Silver versus Zee, that might be, dude, there is a, there's a time. I would love to watch that fight, but it might be a little too soon. Yeah, that feels like a little too, a little too much. Jumping into the lightweight shark tank, like, that's the deep end. I don't know if I'd go that quick. What was the Dober?

Like, was, well, was, dober is out of the top 15 now. He used, he was there for a while. Yeah, he was a right. He kind of goes in and out Yeah, so, alright Got our friend Terrence Leverett Terence, will Tracy shave her head

And go on a Zhang run Losing to Rose makes you level up Also Peyton versus Jackson Is the correct fight No, it is not I don't think yet, not yet Payne Talbos had like Two fights in the UFC

Montel Jackson has had like Four or five wins in a row In the UFC Eventually, but not yet. Like, Cameron Simon is a solid hand. He beat the hell out of Cameron Simon.

But he'd just beat Janus Gomori. It was a minus 1,600 favorite doing so. Like baby steps. He's a young man. Build this guy up. Don't throw him in there with Montel Jackson right now. That's a bad idea. No need.

And we all know Bantway's the Best Division, so there's plenty of great fighters there to pick from. There had to be one. There had to be one. It was wrong. Hit the music. We're out of here. Joseph, thank you. Thanks, Jose, for the good comic wrecks on the Friday show.

Sculptor Berlin and Daytripper were great. Bought them on my tablet. Did you already read them all? Holy shit. Berlin Sculpter. Wow. Wow. There's all of those comic books.

Daytrip, you could probably read in the day. Berlin and Sculptor are dense. Sculptor you probably wouldn't read in one sitting like me. I actually called out of work to finish it because I was so sucked into it. But yes. If you read all those books in two, two days in like less than a day, much respect because that's crazy. Also, I mean, Joseph gave $10 to just tell you how great your recommendations are.

I like the cut of Joseph's jib. Yeah. And you picked three very different comic books. Sculptor will make, I mean, Berlin will actually sculptor and daytrip will make you cry your eyes out. And Berlin is just a fascinating take on the human element in the 19th. 20s or 1920s and 30s so yes well done picking a literal myriad of genres there Joseph the man thank you Joseph uh super jack coming from the solar club So the top

Thank you It's a big one Soul rack club Yeah Hello guys from Tijuana Those nerd guys are really cooking Do you guys recommend another fighter From that we need to be aware about

Love you guys, you rock Remind me who else is there Obviously Tia Raleo is there too Yeah Who's the guy that fights like Connor He fought out USC 301 Oh yeah

Yeah Hoofee Hoofie. Yeah, he was real fun to watch. Yeah, that dude was nice. Man, they did have some guys. We're in that gym. All right, let's see.

Carlos Prachis is there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a damn good one. Yeah, Mauricio Hoofi. Natalia Alves is somebody to pay attention to, by the way, 6 and O. I'm sure there's others. Those are some, and all those guys are very,

different style of fighters too. Yeah, that's what's most impressive to me, actually. Yeah. Is like, Kyle Bariahio is like opposite of Jean Silva. Like it's a real fascinating thing, how they've been able to capitalize on what some of these guys do best. It also helps when they have top end talent. Like both of those guys are extremely talented.

And so, yeah, shout out to them. They're crushing the game. And I think the gimmick with the glasses is. absolutely working and incredible. Every time they take them off and put them on the commentator. Like it's funny. It works. It's simple.

You don't have to do more than that. Like, I love what they're doing. It's so hard to have a gimmick in the sport, especially if all the, you have to wear a uniform. So the fact that they can do it without being cheesy and just kind of fun and memorable. Yeah,

good job. Natalia Alves would probably be the one outside of the UFC to watch. She will probably be in the UFC for the years over. Cool. She's 23, so maybe not until 25, but wouldn't shock me to see her on the contender series this year. Wouldn't shock me to see her get a short notice fight. Like, she's real solid. Thank you much.

Luis Rodriguez put in a super chat, but I'm not going to put it on the screen because it's bad. And I'm not going to, so you hear me? I know you paid your super chat money, but not putting it on the screen. You can bring in the comments. I'll drink my ice coffee tomorrow in your honor. What'd you do, Louise? Come on. Be nice.

Be kind. I'm just not about that. Not about that, Luis. All right, but we've got some other super chats. Yeah, were you disappointed with the card or any fighter? I definitely wasn't disappointed with the card. It was just long and it was just late. But it has nothing to do with the card itself.

Yeah. The only fight I felt like the bone feeding loose on. Lusufi, I, that could have been a, I felt I watched one 15 minute round, which is fine, but like that felt like such a long fight to me. Yeah. I was disappointed. I wanted to see Rose and Macy. Like, I did not care about.

Ah, yeah. The Trichita and Rose fight. That is disappointed about, yes. Yeah. Just didn't do anything for me. Like, didn't, didn't, wasn't interesting to me, wanted to see Barbara. there so that disappointed me but i mean what can you do there that's that's nobody's fault yeah yeah man i'm not disappointed me it's pretty good card yeah right there's no no no no issues here

uh what else we got were you saying about maverick oh did she get it did did she did she's supposed to fight did um that just no she's she's she's still fighting next week oh she is okay she's fighting uh dione djone barboza next week okay okay good good for her. Sorry, Luis. Luis, what are you doing, bro? What, what has Casey dis-pressed right now? Luis, chill. Be nice. Be kind. Yeah, yeah. Oh, we get some. Oh, I don't, I don't agree with what Mr. Boza is saying here, but he is a lot. Mr. Boza is very loyal to us. So I want to put this out on the screen for to give our comments, our opinions. is the what the hell are you talking about rose got hometown cooking rose got hometown cooking

Joseph what the hell round one rose 109 round two Tracy 109 nope round three rose 108 hell no Tracy round four 10 nine no Tracy round five 10 nine so this is a draw that's a draw right by my map yeah this is you've been you've been reading jed's live blog way too long in falling Jed's MMA decisions. There's not a chance in hell. There was a 10-8 round in any of those. Not a chance in hell that there was a 10-8 round. So I'm looking at MMA decisions.

Every media person scored it for a rows, either 50-45 or 49-46. I scored it 49-46. And the fan scores had it basically 96%. percent of people had it for nominous. So I Yeah. Boza, I mean, hey, Joseph. When you say and when you say 90s, when you say 96%,

you can break it down, that 96, that 4% or 3.4% translates to one person. Scored it for Tracy Cortez. And 28 fans scored it for Rose. Yeah. So Joseph Boza, you must have

been where's the draw? Go and I made decisions. Be the one draw scorecard, Joseph. That's no. No 10-8s anywhere. Like, you can't even get, like, at least there was a knockdown in the first, but even that wasn't even a 10-8.

No. No, no, no, no. Can't help you there. All right. You want to make sure you could get on screen. I see what you're doing. All right. Anything else?

What are we got? Let me see. Get Luis in there. Louis say something nice. Be good. Yeah. Don't be a dink. Yeah. Let me look at Louise's comments.

It's like a common rule in life. Just don't be a dink and you'll be fine. I like it. I like it. I've never heard that, but I like that. Dink is good. Yeah. I mean, I would change the end to another letter,

but it's, you know. Here's a nicer version of what Luis was saying. Okay. People on earth can have different opinions. Cody, I believe, is a quitter. He was pretending that he wanted to continue. I'll be honest. Ask him.

I'll be honest. I don't even know if he was pretending like he wanted to continue. I think he was kind of just like lost there. Like, he just looked like he didn't know what to do. I have a hard. like there has to be, I'll say this to defend Luis to a certain extent here. There is, there has been too much MMA. It would be impossible if nobody ever wanted out of a fight, right?

It would be impossible statistically that there were this many fights that have occurred and there was nobody who ever wanted out. It's just not, it's just not possible. There's, there's, there's too many fights that have happened. it's very hard to determine who would want out of a fight. It's very hard to determine why they would want out of a fight. I ultimately don't think like there's any shame in the idea that if Cody got hit by something illegal that did not allow him to keep fighting to say, dude, that really fucked me up and I don't want to fight. like that's a pretty reasonable thing that's a pretty like reasonable response the the idea that he

is supposed to even though he got hit with something illegal go yeah but you know what i'm really tough i'm a tough guy so i'm going to keep fighting like yeah there's there's certain fighters who will do that and we have the expectation that like fighters are are all ultimately tough guys and gals and want to do that but like the reality is if you're not here with us anymore and your brain is off and outer space because you got hit with some nasty shots like I don't know that doesn't feel very shameful to me like that feels pretty like standard that feels pretty regular I don't know yeah I mean we dealt with this when Al Jameen Sterling won the Bannamway title people still think he's a quitter and an actor and all this shit when he got hit by a clearly illegal blow that should have 1,000% been a

disqualification and a thousand percent of the blame should have been on the man who delivered the illegal blow, but yet Al Jemaine Sterling is the one who took all the backlash from that, which is insane. What if you just, what if you just played it forward, right? Like, what is the expectation? What you, what you are calling for and what you want is for Cody to go, yeah, I'm pretty fucked up. I'm pretty rocked right now, but I'm going to get back in there and get knocked out. I'm going to let this guy get some free shots on me and just put me to sleep, like fully. Is that the outcome we want? I don't know. Like, I'm okay, not seeing that. I'm okay, not seeing that. I'm, I'm okay with us being like, yeah, that dude's pretty messed up, let's call it.

I don't necessarily want like a compromised guy being like, nah, I'm good and then just getting iced. I don't know. I feel like it's a little, all the talk around this is a little bit weird. I'm not sure what the end goal is. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to have an opinion like this, just before you lay your opinion out, just have a professional athlete elbow you real quick, just in the back of the neck. Just drop it right there.

And then multiple times. Yeah, multiple times. You know, actually go through a six-week training camp, cut weight, take a few elbows at the back of the skull where it's very illegal to get hit there in this sport. It's on a street fight as a sport. And then maybe jump into the super chat and tell us what you think about Cody Brundage. Casey is an amateur athlete, not a professional athlete at the moment, but it sounds like he's willing to hand these out.

so if somebody wants to come get elbowed in the back of the head by the case. Step right up. It's no fun. Like this sport is hilarious. This sport is hilarious. Do you remember when, who was it? Diego San, who was Diego Sanchez versus Michelle Pereira?

Yes. And he was just getting obliterated all over the cage. But then Michelle Pereira landed an illegal shot. And Diego, I mean, they basically, the referee basically told Diego, Sanchez is like look if you say you can't fight anymore it's a DQ and you win and he's like wait so if I he even says it like you see him on the broadcast like so if I if I don't fight anymore I win and they're like yeah he's like all right I won't fight anymore and he wins the reaction to this but the reaction to this was not oh Diego's a quitter it was oh what a wily

veteran move right there this dude just used his brain got a second half of his paycheck and he got praised for this. You get praised for it because Diego said, wow, what a vet move. This dude, so smart. And then this happens and it's like, oh, he's a quitter. It's so insane this sport sometimes. It changes

week by week the opinions on all this stuff. I'm pretty sure Dan Murlielta said that exact same thing to Stefan Struve when Ben Rothwell just full on punted him in the groin twice in a fight. And Stephen Strieve couldn't fight. He goes, hey, if you

can't fight, you win. And it's true. He's like, oh, fuck, like, then I'm a bitch. And then he got up to fight and Ben Rothel knocks him out. Dude, Anthony Smith could have been the guy to beat John Jones.

Like, Anthony Smith took an illegal shot. If he just said, nah, I can't go anymore. He would have been the light heavyweight champion. He would have fought John Jones at a rematch and made millions and millions of dollars who got pay-per-view points for that fight.

And to this day, people say, ah, Anthony should have just taken the DQ and won the bell. like even though he he would have got destroyed that night but now when we look back on it all these years later like oh man if anthony just took a DQ he's in the books of the light heavyweight champion he's a rich man it's it's all strange

it's all fun there's this like false sense of like honor there's this false sense of like it's honorable to continue fighting if you're compromised and I just don't I can't get there like I don't really agree with that I don't think there's honor in that.

It's not like Cody's making 500 grand for the fight. You know what I mean? He's making a minimum contract, maybe the second tier. It's not like life-changing money. Until the UFC figures out a different pay system where you don't, you don't get half your paycheck.

If you lose, get the bag, guys. Take the bag. Yeah. Take it. Solar cost. There's a hundred back from T1 Yeah.

Yeah. I love, yeah. I'm the sole rock. Carlos backwards. Thank you. Lop three first letters of my last name. All right. I love that.

Hermano Jose, thanks for representing Vima Mexico Cabronis. Luis, relax. Wait, say that again. I love how you said that, Mike. Say the Viva.

Vemexico Cabronis. I was Italian on that second one for some reason. Jose, say it. Okay. Cbroon. Vival Mexico, Capron. There you go. Broan, son of them.

Yeah. Yeah. That's what Canelo's Seltzer is. Yeah, his Seltzer, yeah. Is VMC because of that. I have BMC coosies in my home. Yeah, it's also a very good drink. Also, respect for putting my accent over the...

Hey. Ooh. From T.J. no less. Ah, Gillis. I just want you to have better takes. Rick, Night Guy. Show is 10 out of a 10 Bing Rips, Red Hulk, Boss a Mike, sweet. Wow, Red Hulk, too. Yeah, I love all Bing Rips have has become a thing.

It's hilarious. What is that a chicken goat and chicken not a goat? Chickens are better. Chickens can't be goats. Oh, I see. Yeah, I know that. Fun. Did you?

I still don't know what the paper clip was, by the way. Yeah, right back in. Yeah. I do's Natty Ice Beats Rose 5042. Okay. I would love to live in a world where 5042 is possible in an MMA fight. But truly, like, chill. Like, we don't know anything like that about Natty Ice yet.

Chill out. Yeah. I mean, look, I've been the driver of the Natty Ice train for quite some time. And even I think this is a bridge too far. Terrence says, Jasmine, the biggest loser, lost a ranked opponent, fans turned on her, thought she did great. What's next for her? Jessica. Jessica, who?

Oh, Jess. Wait, who was that? And Dajaj. No, Jessica, D'clock. Yeah, Androges is fighting the aforementioned Nadi Ice. I didn't think Jasmine was the biggest loser's night. She had a fun fight. She won against a really good fighter.

Why was she getting booed? Who would she support the fight? who was the ranked opponent that she was supposed to fight she was supposed to fight ira ujo okay that would have been a big one i just rebooked that fight yeah rebook it yeah you could do that yeah i don't know i don't know what happened with ir joe i mean trace he already crazy already beat her yeah i mean there's options there's options can't i don't think the man like that wasn't like a that wasn't like a real thorough like fans turning on you that wasn't like we're not taught like that wasn't ian gary that was just a few fans in an arena being like boo

like like we had we had we had mine i didn't think that was that and jazz had played it perfectly she played it perfectly i like darrell's tweet about it i like darrell's tweet about it where Jazz is a baby face in Canada, but she's a heel in America, like Brett Hart in 96. Perfect. Love that. Super chat from our friend Gustavo.

Gustavo, I was there from the elder fight and the main card was garbage. Prelims are way better. The main card with like one of the five best fights of the year was garbage. Okay. But you were there. Maybe the energy levels. Prelims were way better.

Also was Van Franchek. or is Johnson a hype killer? Van was not Project. No. Vanos up two rounds, right? Vanos up two rounds, right? Vanos up two rounds. No.

So the cards, there were three different score cards. Oh. Yeah. One judge had Van up 2. One judge had Johnson up 2 O. And one judge had it 1-1. Wow.

Which is insane. Regardless, he was not fraud checked. Yep, sorry. Go on. No. I hate the, I hate the term like somebody's a dog. like I'm just not a fan.

It's been overused to death. But the one exception is Charles Johnson is actually a dog. Charles Johnson is a dog. That dude just finds ways to grit out wins in like the worst circumstances. And yeah, no, Van was not fraud checked. He just got out dogs. Like Charles Johnson, energy is just a dog. And found a way to win that fight.

But no, like Van is sick. Like, I really enjoy watching that guy fight. And I think he's going to be pretty great. 22, I'm hyped for him. 22 years old, too. But also, also think about the road that Josh Fan. Like, Charles Johnson just was like, yeah, I want to fight this dude. Hey, manager.

Like, let me fight Josh Fan. Can we do that? Like, I'm available. He wants to fight somebody. Like, let's do that. Look at what this band has had to go through since April. He was supposed to fight in April against Lucas Rocha. didn't happen.

Supposed to fight Sumidharji June 1st, didn't happen. Then he was supposed to fight Taturo Tira June 1st. They moved Tatsuro Tira to a main event fight. And then they were like, you know what, Josh? Instead of fighting on pay-per-view, we're going to put you against Tegir Ulan Bekhov, who was just a nightmare grappler in this division. And then Ullumbeckov misses weight by a whole bunch

and they cancel the fight. And then he bounces back less than a month later. He's like, all right, cool. Like, I want to fight somebody. I've had four fights fallout in the last month and a half. I would just like to fight somebody and Charles Johnson was willing to go and then he went in there and fought

and Charles was really good like no there's no fraud check Josh is very good he looked great in the fight until the fight was over and Charles is really good like this guy is breaking out in a big way

he's been very fun on social media a lot about Charles Johnson that's been very enjoyable energy for life at this point he's three wins in a row dude's climbing the ranks real quick so good on him shoot I didn't know he was on a three

fight win streak good for good for charles he's like he is without question the most active flyway too pretty sure he fought three four times last year he's i think he's fought three times this year has he fought is he the first fighter to three fights in 2024 probably you have to think right yeah might be yeah what what the what's john said like two so he's he's been in the ufc for only two years now, two years, two years coming up at the end of July. No, silver got three also. Silva fought in January.

I guess I'm saying, yeah. I guess I'm saying you. But Charles fought first, so Charles would still be the first. But he's on in the U.S. two years, and that was his ninth fight. Yeah, dude fights all. He, that is wild. He debuted against Muhammad and Maheuvre. Yeah.

Yeah, I remember that in London. Dude, and he survived, he survived a three-fight losing street. in the UFC. He's not like a, he's not like a popular fighter. He's just a fighter. Survived a three-fight losing streak. Came back and has won three fights and just won a 50K bonus on a fight that he was, I don't think many of us expect him to win.

So, man, dude's doing it. Way to go. Here's the thing about those three losses, though. Like he was a dog in all of those. Like he was. Yeah, you was. Like literally a dog, like an underdog. But also just like he was in all of those fights.

and it seemed like in the third, like he was pushing in every single one of them. He's just, he's a, he's a very unique kind of dude. I'm surprised that he's on a suit fight winning streak because of that because he's kind of more like the come from behind type guy than the like put it on you guy.

But man, he's, he's fun. He's really fun to watch. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Maxon's a great win.

And like if you look like this is his third win in obviously 2024, but his, he fought. in November, 2023. So that's still like four flights and then in 2023. He fought three times, but he also fought in November 22. So he's routinely getting four fights in 12 months,

like the last two years. And he has a stupid tattoo on his back because he's never been in the Olympic. We've got the Olympic race. Maybe he doesn't know. Maybe he doesn't know is there. I thought that's what I'm assuming. He just has no idea.

The first time I saw that, I was Googling. I was like, oh, an Olympic wrestler in the UFC, that's cool. And then he was never in the Olympics. It's annoying because the rest of his back tattoos are really well done. And like, it's a well-done tattoo. I'm just like, why do you have that? Like, if you explain yourself, Charles. I think he did explain it.

I believe there was an explanation. Yeah, I'm sure there is. But if he explained it, it's probably like, yeah, it's probably like a sad story. on black. That's a bummer. All right. Let's wrap this up. One more,

one more Superjet. Last Super Chat. Chase, it's officially Iron Turtle Fight Week. That's right. Let's go. Let's go. That is right.

Sure is. Yeah. So that's next week, everybody. I think there's another fight coming up next Saturday as well. Maybe in Tampa case. You know anything about that? You know what? You know what I'm going to do tomorrow morning?

I'm going to go to the airport and fly to Tampa and hang out there all week. And I'll keep you updated. How about that? You're going tomorrow? I'm going early. Going early. Yeah. I have a wife and apparently she takes photos for a living and they want her there early.

So I'm coming along. I really wants to go to Florida. I love. I'm really into the humidity. I'm just really into it. Also, what a. Yeah, dude, it's human. It's human as hell out here.

So be ready. What a douchey humble brag that was. You have a wife? Oh, cool, bro. You got a wife? Wow. Look at you. You got a wife.

I'm the only one on this chat that doesn't have that. Shout out to the great Esther Lynn, the late. The iconic voice. For all those who are like, you know what? We need some great heavyweight action in the ultimate fighting championship. We need a heavyweight over to bet on. Boyd, is there one on this card. Mohammed O'SBin

versus Thomas Peterson will be the first fight of UFC Vegas 90. Why? Is this 4, 94, 95? I don't know. Only God can answer that question. What's over?

Minus got to be minus the thousand. It's going to be too bad. It'll be like minus 280 or something. Mishman never finished a fight. Has Mohammed? Yeah. Not the U.S. No, he won his contract.

He won his contracts? Yeah. You beat up a light heavy. Yeah. My, my, my brother. Okay.

Speaking of brother, my brother decided to get married on Saturday, so I'm not even able to watch any of these fights. Yeah, right. Congratulations to your brother, though.

Yeah. Oh, he's getting married. He's so cool. Everybody has wives. It's so cool. He's going to have a wife, too. Y'all has show us.

He's going to have a wife. Yeah. Yeah, we're cowards. We're playing golf. It's it. Me and my dad were playing golf, group in front of us in the back nine. Batchar party. Another guy getting married. Tying the night. Wow. Let's get on these Florida. What is happening? So cool. For those wondering, by the way, because I know this is a big thing about the UFC's business practices and how much money they're making. This card, UFC Denver, legit sellout, 16,884, $884, 2.3, almost $2.4 million gate, not a record breaker, but still pretty, damn good like real damn 2.374 million dollars for this card so shout out to all who attended this way for another couple weeks when we got blown the dark hot wheel monster trucks in that same

arena that's so cool that arena that's actually happening by the way in two weeks that is actually happening in that arena i'm not making that i want to go i want to go so bad how much money is the sphere card going to make like a billion dollar thing How much money is that card going to make? This fear, I'm so curious how it's going to look. I've been inside there. I can't even, I can't wrap my head around how that will look. It's theater seating.

So the seats are on one side. It is so comically steep. You're basically straight up a wall. I am so perplexed how that is going to look. They played that little promo in the show. I'm so curious. But it's the point where the UFCPR told us that they're not going to have like dedicated media seats inside for everyone. Like they're going to have shifts.

So like five of you can go watch this fight and then they have to just rotate you all out like every couple of fights. They haven't done any sports in there, right? They've only done like music performances, I assume. Correct. It should be cool. Anything else before I run the music again? No, they're good. The perplexities and the questions,

will continue to mount. And that's that. AK and I back tomorrow, we'll do some match making for this card. I will assure you it will not be a long show because this is not one of those ones where it's going to take a lot of thought. But there you go.

So thanks for joining us, everybody. Busy week coming up, Jake Paul versus Mike Perry, UFC Vegas 95, and all the fun and shenanigans that you can only find an NBA fighting. For Rick, for Casey,

for Jose, I am Mike Eck. Good night, everybody. Get some sleep. God's great. Especially you, Louise. Yeah. He's so mean. You're listening to the Vox Media Podcast Network.

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